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All computers of the Ministry of Defense will be transferred to the Russian software

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All service computers of the Ministry of Defense are planned to be transferred from the Microsoft operating system to the domestic Astra Linux, reported News.




“The Ministry of Defense has decided to transfer all office computers to the Astra Linux operating system. This is a completely domestic development, its creator is the Moscow company RusBITech. For the working computers of the Ministry of Defense, she chose an expanded version of it - Astra Linux Special Edition with a built-in office suite. At the next stage, the new OS will be loaded onto special service smartphones and tablets, ”the article says.

According to the newspaper, for the introduction of operating systems are responsible for the two main departments of the department - communications and information technology development. It is noted that the OS will be the main for automated control systems and jobs, server and airborne equipment of military equipment.

This information was also confirmed by the director of JSC RusBITech Scientific Production Association Dmitry Donskoy.

The key feature of Astra Linux Special Edition is a unique information security system. "OS" is fully compatible with modern Russian-made computers. It works with high-tech domestic Elbrus, Baikal-T1 and Komdiv processors. They are the "heart" of the latest generation of supercomputers,
said don.

As the newspaper noted, the Astra Linux system has been used by the Russian Armed Forces for several years, in particular, it is based on the information system of the National Center for Defense Management of the Russian Federation. In addition, today it is used in existing models of weapons and military equipment and in a number of promising developments.
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TASS / Peter Kovalev
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 January 2018 10: 22
    11
    “The Ministry of Defense decided to transfer all office computers to the Astra Linux operating system. This is a completely domestic development, its creator is the Moscow company RusBITech.

    ... it's high time, we've been waiting ...
    1. dorz
      dorz 9 January 2018 10: 24
      +7
      Foreign components may also be vulnerable.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 9 January 2018 10: 39
        +6
        The Ministry of Defense decided to transfer all office computers to the Astra Linux operating system. This is a completely domestic development.

        - this is nice!


        Quote: dorz
        Foreign components may also be vulnerable.

        - so computers with our processors:

        "OS" is fully compatible with modern computers of Russian production. She works with high-tech domestic processors Elbrus, Baikal-T1 and Comdiv. They are the "heart" of the latest generation of supercomputers,


        - and this is the main thing
        1. Alf
          Alf 9 January 2018 21: 01
          +2
          Quote: bulvas
          - so computers with our processors:

          And WHERE are they produced, these components?
      2. dik-nsk
        dik-nsk 9 January 2018 10: 40
        0
        I really hope that the software is not like all the curves of domestic GIS for civilians, otherwise tryndets
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 9 January 2018 12: 57
          +2
          Do not hope, and as far as it is our name, judge for yourself "Astra Linux Special Edition". This is another derban of money, with a known result. In order for this whole okhineya to work normally, it will constantly be necessary to pour a lot of money into it. Under each update of Windows or IOS, it will be necessary to write links, constantly test ...
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 10 January 2018 13: 43
            +2
            Now money is flowing directly to the enemy office with 100% bookmarks in the software.

            Astra Linux can be arranged and studied to the taste of the customer and most importantly you do not have to pay an overseas corporation.

            The only all this software from Astra is crooked and wretched and users will experience all the pain and loss on their own skin.

            BUT, if they approach this issue seriously and modify the software to a working state, then everything will be tip-top.
            What I strongly doubt ...
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 9 January 2018 10: 49
      +4
      For working computers, the Ministry of Defense chose an expanded version of it - Astra Linux Special Edition with a built-in office suite. At the next stage, the new OS will be uploaded to special service smartphones and tablets, ”

      “Only this is not enough!” - as Sofia Rotaru sings.
      It is necessary that the data from this System and the personnel do not dock with Windows in any way! In this case, it will be a specific ambush for fans of the sale of state secrets!
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 9 January 2018 10: 55
        +5
        Quote: Starover_Z
        “Only this is not enough!” - as Sofia Rotaru sings. It is necessary that the data from this System and the personnel do not dock with Windows in any way! In this case, it will be a specific ambush for fans of the sale of state secrets!


        This is not a question for the OS, but for the security team.

        Data exchange can be organized between any OS, if there is permission
      2. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 9 January 2018 11: 26
        +2
        Quote: Starover_Z
        It is necessary that the data from this System and the personnel do not dock with Windows in any way!

        um ... well, it’s hard for me personally to imagine this. it is easier to isolate the system from the external environment and remove it on a PC, you can connect external media.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 9 January 2018 17: 25
          +1
          Quote: K0
          um ... well, it’s hard for me personally to imagine this. it is easier to isolate the system from the external environment and remove it on a PC, you can connect external media.

          If the System under "Elbrus" were written by themselves, under their own "hardware", as once CP / M86, then such a chip would have passed "at times", but it seems alas ...
          Although it is written that some software just won't work under Windows.
          But it would be gorgeous to process all of your state information on your hardware and in your programs that are in no way compatible with Western OSs!
          1. Cxnumx
            Cxnumx 10 January 2018 05: 56
            +2
            Quote: Starover_Z
            But it would be gorgeous to process all of your state information on your hardware and in your programs that are in no way compatible with Western OSs!

            gradually creep to this, at least in terms of software in the state. offices:
            http://www.fko.msk.ru/fko/news_law/detail.php?ID=
            3320
            but it would really be gorgeous if they made a sane OS for home PCs - it would be a breakthrough.
  2. jolly deckhand
    jolly deckhand 9 January 2018 10: 22
    +7
    It's high time. Or one day everything will turn into a bunch of rubbish worthless.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 9 January 2018 12: 59
      +2
      With the beginning of the introduction of Astra Linux Special Edition on the PC MO, everything is a bunch of junk useless and turn into.
  3. svp67
    svp67 9 January 2018 10: 22
    +7
    All computers of the Ministry of Defense will be transferred to the Russian software
    One thing reassures us that our Astra with its interface is very similar to Winduus; you don’t need to retrain for a long time.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 9 January 2018 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      One thing reassures us that our Astra with its interface is very similar to Winduus; you don’t need to retrain for a long time.


      Is it a long time for relearning on Android, or on iOS?

      Nevertheless, the bulk of users will work with specific applications, and not walk around the system and do not put any software at their discretion

      On the contrary, it is better to limit users to the maximum, for security and stability it is better

      1. 1vlad19
        1vlad19 9 January 2018 11: 20
        +1
        Quote: bulvas
        On the contrary, it is better to limit users to the maximum

        And if a specific software is used in the work? For example, corel, photoshop, design is there a replacement for them? And the libra, this is not an office, he is not standing next to T-shirts.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 9 January 2018 11: 26
          +1
          Quote: 1vlad19
          Quote: bulvas
          On the contrary, it is better to limit users to the maximum

          And if a specific software is used in the work? For example, corel, photoshop, design is there a replacement for them? And the libra, this is not an office, he is not standing next to T-shirts.


          For these tasks there will be a separate office, most likely a private contractor in other networks

          It's about critical defense sites, not about drawing posters or leaflets

          And yes, what does corel or photoshop have to do with libra or MS Office?
          1. 1vlad19
            1vlad19 9 January 2018 11: 43
            0
            Quote: bulvas
            most likely a private contractor

            Feed strangers? It is much more expensive than having your own unit. Posters, leaflets, such a long time no one does. You cannot even make a simple photo exhibition, beautifully designed, in Astra.
            Quote: bulvas
            We are talking about critical defense facilities.

            Let them put it there, except for documents, presentations, graphs and charts, they don’t create anything else there. And we have, as always, pariah said it is necessary, the people answered there.
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 9 January 2018 11: 46
              +2
              Quote: 1vlad19
              Feed strangers? It is much more expensive than having your own unit. Posters, leaflets, such a long time no one does. You cannot even make a simple photo exhibition, beautifully designed, in Astra.


              This is mistake
              Private contractor for such simple jobs that do not require an admission,
              will always be cheaper
              1. 1vlad19
                1vlad19 9 January 2018 12: 05
                0
                Quote: bulvas
                Private contractor for such simple jobs that do not require an admission,

                A private trader will deal only with the orders of the MO? If this is a large publishing house, then it carries out different orders, but if it is small, it will drown in orders. Do you know how much it costs to develop, for example, a banner? Quite expensive, but if you need a couple of dozen of them for regions and with different information populations? And just because you can’t attract a private trader, only through bidding. Underestimate the price, the auction will not take place, and your terms are on fire.
                And if you need a training manual or training notebooks chipboard?
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 9 January 2018 12: 20
                  0
                  Quote: 1vlad19
                  A private trader will be


                  In training, on urgent, I boasted that I can draw
                  As a result, everyone was asleep, and I drew plans all night
                  It’s good that I stood in the first line, my sergeant, who harnessed me to work, stood in front of me.
                  When I fell asleep on a morning divorce, he supported me with his back and woke me with his elbow.
                  The only plus was that at nights in the office, when I was drawing, we listened to music and drank tea, and in the morning, on a charge, everyone got out of bed, and I left the office

                  The military should do the service, not draw banners
                2. Genry
                  Genry 9 January 2018 12: 57
                  0
                  Quote: 1vlad19
                  And if you need a training manual or training notebooks chipboard?

                  And how are products manufactured not just chipboard but also of "special importance"?
                  Even in the USSR it was not a problem to create a self-supporting enterprise with military management and civilian executives. It was called type: "PO Box-12345".
                  1. 1vlad19
                    1vlad19 9 January 2018 13: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Genry
                    Even in the USSR it was not a problem to create a self-supporting enterprise

                    No, printing houses were created, under the guise of the newspaper’s editors, we have the Suvorov onslaught, the Far Eastern border guard, a military watch in Vladivostok, and there are printing houses with machine tools there.
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 9 January 2018 15: 25
                      0
                      Quote: 1vlad19
                      printing houses were created, under the guise of the newspaper, we have Suvorov onslaught ..... and there are printing houses with machine tools.

                      Well, why did you suddenly have difficulties like:
                      Quote: 1vlad19
                      And if you need a training manual or training notebooks chipboard?
                      1. 1vlad19
                        1vlad19 9 January 2018 16: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Genry
                        Well, why did you suddenly have difficulties

                        While there are no difficulties, but if they transfer, as everyone promises, to Astra, they will arise. We have an adob package used. Although, I did one notebook in Word, such a hemorrhoids.
                    2. Genry
                      Genry 10 January 2018 18: 07
                      0
                      Quote: 1vlad19
                      but if they transfer, as everyone promises, to Astra, they will arise. We have an adob package used. Although, I did one notebook in Word, such a hemorrhoids

                      Well, so "Scribus" to you in a comp ...
                      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scribus
            2. sogdy
              sogdy 9 January 2018 12: 21
              +1
              Quote: 1vlad19
              You cannot even make a simple photo exhibition, beautifully designed, in Astra.

              In Debian you can, but in Astra you can’t? Someone banned?
              1. 1vlad19
                1vlad19 9 January 2018 12: 35
                0
                Well, it's not just printing pictures, you need to pull something out of pdf, remove something, add somewhere, do a retouch. I proto gave an example, and make a beautiful calendar for a year in five minutes? Created, printed a hundredth, changed the photo for another region and another hundredth.
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 9 January 2018 13: 21
                  0
                  Quote: 1vlad19
                  something needs to be pulled out from pdf

                  Vashcheta, pdf is not a microsoft product. And still the main visual format of Linux.
                  Quote: 1vlad19
                  I proto gave an example, and make a beautiful calendar for a year in five minutes?

                  Trying to understand - why do I need your calendar? And look at the repo, something constantly interfered.
                  1. 1vlad19
                    1vlad19 9 January 2018 13: 45
                    0
                    We are talking about the OS and software availability. I know there is adobe, all publishers work on it. The task of the MO is to provide software for the needs of the unit, and then transfer to Astra.
                    1. sogdy
                      sogdy 9 January 2018 14: 21
                      0
                      Quote: 1vlad19
                      The task of the MO is to provide software for the needs of the unit

                      Quote: 1vlad19
                      calendar for a year beautiful to do in five minutes? Created, printed a hundredth, changed the photo for another region and another hundredth.

                      I think of a gap pattern.
                      Why does the unit need a beautiful calendar?
                      Software not included in the box is (will be) in the Astra repository. So far, presumably, Debian's repo is compatible with Astra.
                      What more do you need?
                      For connection to the Internet / via the Internet - "Internet-PCm". And the "military Internet" as a repo storage / distribution site.
                      1. 1vlad19
                        1vlad19 12 January 2018 16: 10
                        0
                        Quote: sogdy
                        Why does the unit need a beautiful calendar?

                        Do not understand until you serve at the border. You know, when there are 6 days off a month, and 100 km to the house, and the house’s calendar hangs with his father, husband, etc. Relatives have joy.
                        Quote: sogdy
                        For connection to the Internet / via the Internet - "Internet-PCm". And the "military Internet"

                        The Internet is only on dedicated PCs under mint and access is needed.
                    2. sogdy
                      sogdy 9 January 2018 14: 31
                      0
                      Quote: 1vlad19
                      I know there is adobe, all publishers work on it.

                      Correct: there are Mac systems and AldusOS for printing machines. Perhaps, after the absorption by Aldus Adobe / ABC-System / Art n Leter / Xerox, the axis was called Adobe OOS. But cars and electronic giblets are produced under the flag of Dresden, the birthplace of the Aldus family.
                      Aldus is such a pioneer who began not with the Bible, but with commercial and warehouse forms.
                      1. 1vlad19
                        1vlad19 12 January 2018 16: 00
                        0
                        Quote: sogdy
                        there are Mac systems and AldusOS

                        I don’t argue, maybe I’m engaged in design and layout, and I don’t know what tasks they will give except the main newspaper. I have seen modern cars, but they won’t give us that kind of money, although there is an extra-budget, this is a trifle, a lemon a year. We print on the side, and our own, next to it is HP 5525, the color goes through it. Forms and more on the frame.
  4. 100502
    100502 9 January 2018 10: 24
    +8
    Domestic development? Linux? Idiocy is the diagnosis
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 January 2018 10: 35
      +7
      All official computers of the Ministry of Defense are planned to be transferred from the Microsoft operating system
      The idiocy is that the office computers of the DEFENSE used Microsoft OS ... belaywith its source code not disclosed.
      1. 1vlad19
        1vlad19 9 January 2018 11: 00
        +3
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        with its source code not disclosed.

        Who said? In Windows XP SP 2, the source code of the FSB is verified. Go to the FSB website, there are documents on the workstation.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 9 January 2018 11: 02
          +1
          Go to the FSB website, there are documents on the workstation.

          I didn't know ... to blame hi
        2. sogdy
          sogdy 9 January 2018 12: 26
          +1
          Quote: 1vlad19
          Go to the FSB website, there are documents on the workstation.

          www.fsb.ru/
          Where to go?
          1. 1vlad19
            1vlad19 12 January 2018 16: 21
            0
            Quote: sogdy
            Where to go?

            Center for licensing, certification ...
            I already looked there, even Windows 7 checked.
        3. sogdy
          sogdy 9 January 2018 13: 39
          0
          SF / 112-2642 17.06.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX
          17.06.2018/7/1 “Microsoft Windows 32 Ultimate Service Pack 64 3.0/3 bit operating system with built-in and additionally integrated security mechanisms implemented by the information security tool“ Secure Pack Rus version 4 (version 3, 3) ”” meets the requirements of the Federal Security Service of Russia for protection information from unauthorized access in automated information systems located on the territory of the Russian Federation, class AK2 (for version 4), class AKXNUMX (for version XNUMX) and can be used to protect information that does not contain information keeping state secrets of Microsoft Rus LLC
          121614, Moscow,
          st. Krylatskaya, d. 17/1
          LLC "CNAEn"
          129626, Moscow, st. Novoalekseevskaya,
          d.20A, p. 1

          from the FSB website
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 9 January 2018 10: 36
      +5
      Astra Linux distribution - domestic development. In principle, this is the correct wording.
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    3. Zubr
      Zubr 9 January 2018 10: 38
      13
      Why is "idiocy" the most rational way out. Open architecture, the core is completely controlled, it is handled, all ports are controlled. Extra bugs can be freely cleaned, compiled and work on health, without looking back and fearlessly. The rest is all a hitch. The main thing is that the hardware does not fail and there are no hardware spy bookmarks. Well, for this we have specialists in specials. Department. Well, of course, our elemental base.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 9 January 2018 10: 44
        +4
        Quote: 100502
        Domestic development? Linux? Idiocy is the diagnosis


        Quote: Zubr
        Why "idiocy", the most rational way out


        - simply, a person (100502) is not aware of what he decided to speak about

      2. Spez
        Spez 9 January 2018 12: 44
        0
        those. do it yourself, but pay twice as much as for Windows?
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 9 January 2018 14: 17
          +1
          The question is very interesting ...
          We will never see the contract for obvious reasons and we won’t know what is supplied: the distribution itself or technical support. The distributor itself is Debian-like, which means the continuity of the GNU GPL license, which prohibits the commercial use of free system components.
          The most common business model based on linux distributions is the sale of technical support. A good, debugged, stable, proven business.
          I am inclined that this is exactly how Astra Linux comes in. The distribution itself is free, only technical support is paid.
          But we can have all sorts of somersaults, including piracy of the product, the most loyal to the free flow of information.
          However, we most likely will not find out the details ...
          1. Spez
            Spez 9 January 2018 14: 39
            +1
            I went to the aster-linukh site and looked at how much “Smolensk” is worth. I understand that it is the distribution.
            1. forty-eighth
              forty-eighth 9 January 2018 14: 59
              0
              Unfortunately, their site does not open for me, but since you are talking about prices, which I call "horse", then either distrib does not use free software (which is extremely unlikely), or ... something else. One thing I know for sure - the sale of free software is prohibited.
              Generally speaking, this story has already confused me. I will read the comments, it may become clear.
              1. Spez
                Spez 9 January 2018 15: 13
                +1
                Now the site "lay down" asked to come later))) "Smolensk" they have almost 29k.
              2. Spez
                Spez 9 January 2018 17: 10
                +1
                Google wrote that "the site may have been hacked," and offers to look at a saved copy))))
      3. MoJloT
        MoJloT 9 January 2018 13: 02
        +1
        Everything went, clean the extra bugs, compile, sort through the handles of the kernel ...

        Who is testing my port ???
        1. Spez
          Spez 9 January 2018 14: 52
          +2
          Most likely this gadget is connected to a closed local network and does not have the ability to install third-party software;)
          1. MoJloT
            MoJloT 10 January 2018 09: 57
            0
            The administrator for any unlimited access rights
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. grandson of the hero
      grandson of the hero 9 January 2018 10: 43
      +5
      Are you a great linux specialist?
      As a user with more than ten years of experience, I consider the choice more than right !!! Once installed, I do not change the choice. And for all this time, he did not have a single malomalsky problem ...
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 9 January 2018 10: 54
        0
        Well it depends on the needs. Still, I sometimes want to play games, and don’t bother with a flash player ... I have mint on the laptop, I don’t ask for food, but on the stationary home computer I still want advanced functionality.
        1. Sands Careers General
          Sands Careers General 9 January 2018 11: 42
          +4
          Clear business, Windows for toys and other entertainments, wine will not help.
        2. sogdy
          sogdy 9 January 2018 12: 33
          0
          Quote: forty-eighth
          Still, I sometimes want to play games, and do not bother with a flash player ...

          65% of Microsoft's revenue comes from selling Linux applications.
    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 January 2018 16: 07
      +3
      Quote: 100502
      Domestic development? Linux? Idiocy is the diagnosis

      Linux is just the kernel ... no matter how controversial this decision is, judging by the comments, I think it looks a lot more like a diagnosis of using Microsoft OS, that is, the OS and software of a potential adversary.
      As for all the attendant problems, sitting exactly on the ass and doing nothing, but only arguing that everyone is foolish, is much easier than getting up and starting to do something in principle.
  5. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 9 January 2018 10: 26
    +3
    It is high time. The Ministry of Defense should be completely independent of Western technology.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 9 January 2018 13: 08
      0
      True! Everything is just yours!
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 January 2018 10: 32
    +3
    Honestly, I thought that we had completely switched over, because MO on this occasion has already reported. His shirt is closer to his body, and the possibility of failure at the most inopportune moment is reduced.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 9 January 2018 13: 10
      +1
      Not only Moscow Region, all Ministries periodically switch to domestic software. In fact, they are simply sawing money, according to how much all these offspring are stillborn.
  7. flicker
    flicker 9 January 2018 10: 32
    +4
    The most common reaction to the news: "It's high time."
  8. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 9 January 2018 10: 43
    +2
    This news is somewhat surprising: personally, it seemed to me that ALREADY work ..
    But better late than never
  9. askort154
    askort154 9 January 2018 10: 49
    0
    "We do not use anything supernatural from imported elemental life. We are import-substituting. We are successfully replacing a number of foreign components that are used in the manufacture of equipment with domestic counterparts. Our electronics industry does not stand still. We also use this option when manufacturing the elemental base is carried out abroad, and development is with us. This avoids potential bookmarks. This is a completely normal technology, it is also actively used by Americans and Europeans. "
    (General Designer of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern Pavel Sozinov. In an interview with Interfax AVN 24. 03. 2015
    Today is 2018 in the yard. Shifts on the face. yes
    1. dSK
      dSK 9 January 2018 15: 02
      +1
      Hello, Alexander!
      Quote: askort154
      Shifts on the face.
      "Russian antispyware smartphone" TaigaFon " getting ready for mass sales. The Moscow company Taiga System, which is 99% owned by the head of InfoWatch group of companies Natalya Kasperskaya, developed the Russian mobile communications device. The smartphone runs on the Android 6.0 Marshmallow operating system (2015), supplemented by proprietary Taiga firmware. This firmware allows you to completely prevent the leakage of any information from your smartphone to the Internet. Moreover, if any of the TaigaPhone applications tries to turn on the microphone or send a message, the visual alarm will immediately attract the attention of the owner! The Russian TaigaPhone will be released by the Chinese company Zopo, known for its low-cost smartphones based on MediaTek chipsets. The first 50 TaigaPhone will soon arrive in government. Anyone can buy it, fortunately, the price for it is promised a low: from 000 to 12 thousand rubles. "Made in Russia", 02.01.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 9 January 2018 18: 00
        0
        Quote: dsk
        "The Russian antispyware smartphone TaigaFon is preparing for mass sales.
        Anyone can buy it, fortunately, the price for it is promised a low: from 12 to 15 thousand rubles.

        TaigaFon: smartphone features
        The phone has two SIM card slots, a 5-inch screen with a resolution of 1280x720 and a 1900 mAh battery. The amount of RAM is 2 GB, internal - 16 GB. The resolution of the camera located on the back of the smartphone is 8 megapixels, the front camera is 4 megapixels. Also, the gadget has a standard headphone jack and microUSB connector for charging.

        To be honest - a little expensive for such a tube.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 10 January 2018 13: 38
          0
          To be honest, with such antediluvian characteristics and at such a price, in principle, no one will need it.
  10. tchoni
    tchoni 9 January 2018 10: 51
    0
    Astra Linux. This is a completely domestic development, its creator is the Moscow company RusBITech.
    Exactly ... completely domestic ... so domestic that the Linux platform does not use at all ...
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 9 January 2018 10: 59
    +3
    Shot of this we have heard !!!
    Things must be done, but they can chat in vain.
    Again banal - we'll see, feel, smell and then ..... it will come later!
  12. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 9 January 2018 11: 35
    0
    It's high time ... Iphone to take away too ...
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 9 January 2018 13: 11
      0
      You will select, call me)
  13. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 9 January 2018 11: 38
    +3
    It is high time))
    Already on the Internet, it will be necessary to test on a virtual machine)
  14. groks
    groks 9 January 2018 11: 46
    +2
    Linux is the same domestic as Bakal with Elbrus. But certainly better than Windows. RusBITech seems to be selling and reselling.
    1. Genry
      Genry 9 January 2018 13: 14
      +1
      Quote: groks
      Linux is the same domestic as Bakal with Elbrus.

      As for ELBRUS, what is imported there? Completely own architecture.
      Linux is just an open kernel. The system that uses this kernel is called GNU.
      And the military uses only that part of the code that is completely controlled by them.
      Quote: groks
      RusBITech seems to be selling and reselling.

      And then they wanted to say something?
      1. groks
        groks 9 January 2018 13: 26
        0
        what's imported
        All. The processor is Taiwan, the rest is China. Disposal of DDR-2 from Samsung.
        And the military uses only that part of the code that is completely controlled by them.
        How? Did they buy a depository?
        And then they wanted to say something?
        Only that sharashka may belong to no one knows. Already.
        1. Genry
          Genry 9 January 2018 15: 40
          +2
          Quote: groks
          All. CPU - Taiwan,

          Only in custom "baking" 28nm crystals for Elbruss-8C. Elbruss-4C 65nm and earlier, “bake” in Russia. The main thing is that your architecture! The scattering can be any.
          Quote: groks
          Disposal of DDR-2 from Samsung.

          Are you recently out of freeze? Modern Elbrus-8S use DDR-3 and switch to DDR-4 (Elbrus-8C2)
          1. groks
            groks 10 January 2018 09: 09
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            Well, bake and stop. Raw materials supply to 65 will cease. Equipment. The Siemens Controllers will infect the virus.
            Well - they disposed of the DDR-2 dump, took up the remaining illiquid assets. What difference does it make if all this can be blocked in one motion?
            Where are they releasing discretion? Foil material? And multi-layer boards? Nakoy such an import substitution?
            The architecture is not so much its own, it’s just that new is hard to come up with. The only question is - do good uncles in Taiwan add nothing from the NSA to this architecture?
            1. Genry
              Genry 10 January 2018 18: 36
              +1
              Quote: groks
              Well, bake and stop. Raw materials supply to 65 will cease. Equipment. The Siemens Controllers will infect the virus.

              Do not compose, raw materials do not depend on the level of technology - only improving.
              And what’s there the “Siemens Controllers” you mentioned, you are hinting at Iran, so for Russia it was by.
              Quote: groks
              Well - they disposed of the DDR-2 dump, took up the remaining illiquid assets. What difference does it make if all this can be blocked in one motion?

              Memory is a simple product that reflects only the level of production technology and not a schematic design (a regular array of cells with buffering). The quality of the manufacturing process is tested with memory, since the cells are easily tested and the level of possible product outputs is determined.
              Quote: groks
              Where are they releasing discretion?

              Do you even know the meaning of this word? This is an adjective and not a noun. lol
              Quote: groks
              ... release? Foil material? And multi-layer boards?

              Since the Great Getinax ....
              Quote: groks
              The architecture is not so much its own, it’s just that new is hard to come up with. The only question is - do good uncles in Taiwan add nothing from the NSA to this architecture?

              Do you have any idea how to manually disassemble the logic of the scheme according to the photo template, then make your changes and re-design the entire photo template under the new scheme. After which, the customer simply interestedly scans the crystal and sees all the inconsistencies. fool
              Your naivety is higher than that of a person of preschool age.
              And the architecture of Elbrus - well, completely different. And there is nothing close, only the VLIW principle.
              1. groks
                groks 10 January 2018 21: 04
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                raw materials do not depend on the level of technology
                Is sand used directly?
                I’m hinting right at them. What next time and where to bark?
                We do not make memory. Therefore, the level of technology is not available?
                I regularly attach this adjective. And it is only imported. If there is a tip on the domestic adjective, at reasonable prices and at least not worse than the Chinese, then please give the address. In order to increase the country's defense capability .
                I do not ask how and with what result it is possible to scan a crystal. And then in our year in 83 the storekeeper counted the CMOS batch. Hands.
                Does VLIW have nothing to do with RISC? And is it all designed right here with us? In the office, in the abbreviation of which the penultimate letter means SPARC.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 10 January 2018 21: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: groks
                  Is sand used directly?

                  Everyone thinks to the best of their ability ...
                  Quote: groks
                  We do not make memory. Therefore, the level of technology is not available?

                  Within the available process technology, it is possible to do 65nm. But why, cheaper to buy, and check for bookmarks is very easy.

                  Quote: groks
                  I regularly attach this adjective. And it is only imported. If there is a tip on the domestic adjective, at reasonable prices and at least not worse than the Chinese, then please give the address. In order to increase the country's defense capability .

                  In order to improve defense capability, all passive elements can be taken anywhere, at the best price-quality ratio, with the necessary parameters.
                  Quote: groks
                  I do not ask how and with what result it is possible to scan a crystal. And then in our year in 83 the storekeeper counted the CMOS batch. Hands.

                  Well, you removed the stats from jo-pi?
                  Quote: groks
                  Does VLIW have nothing to do with RISC? And is it all designed right here with us? In the office, in the abbreviation of which the penultimate letter means SPARC.

                  MCST besides SPARC also dabbled in MIPS. "Elbrus" has nothing to do with them. Watch the wiki ...
                  1. groks
                    groks 10 January 2018 21: 46
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                    So where do we produce high-purity materials for processors?
                    Was it also easier for Stalin to buy German tanks than to purr with his own?
                    So what is the technique of “scanning" the crystal? In the 70s they simply polished in layers.
                    Is Elbrus related to VLIW? Is this a development of RISC? Well no?
                    Where to buy domestic electronic components, foil material? We can’t do it anywhere - GOZ, import substitution.
    2. sogdy
      sogdy 9 January 2018 14: 09
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      Quote: groks
      Linux is the same domestic as Bakal with Elbrus

      I am trying to understand the essence of your objection.
      Elbrus and the truncation of Lake Baikal are still not domestic?
      Linux is not even an OS, it is an implementation idea. It has 4 main and many little-known development paths. It consists of a kernel (the very idea of ​​implementation) and an arbitrary shell, where the shell can only what the kernel allows.
      The core in Russian terminology is the director + resident, where the director can be BIOS.
      And plus the idea of ​​upgrading a shell from a repo. All software products in this regard are shell upgrades. What was formulated directly on Algol-GDR. At the level of the OS command system (in the fashionable way - in the terminal), we have the same thing for the M-20.
      So, a Linux system designed exclusively for our processor systems - why not ours?
      1. groks
        groks 9 January 2018 14: 52
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        Elbrus and the truncation of Lake Baikal are still not domestic?
        No.
        So, a Linux system designed exclusively for our processor systems - why not ours?

        I explain the essence of the claims. At any time, we can be left without domestic-Taiwanese processors. There are no vulnerabilities in Lin? Come on. And some come up in 10 years. And this system is not something that will work only on Elbrus and not work on everything else.
        1. Genry
          Genry 9 January 2018 16: 25
          +1
          Quote: groks
          At any time, we can be left without domestic-Taiwanese processors.

          Crystals can be baked elsewhere, and soon in Russia.
          Quote: groks
          There are no vulnerabilities in Lin?

          What are the detected errors and vulnerabilities? If the code has passed multiple targeted audits, then errors are unlikely.
          Quote: groks
          And this system is not something that will work only on Elbrus and not work on everything else.

          What is this for? The Elbrus command system is unique, it is possible to emulate (all), but it does not make sense.
  15. Beholder
    Beholder 9 January 2018 12: 57
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    Here are the addresses of "serious developers" - http://astra-linux.com; http: //www.astra-linux.ru
    Come in and see for yourself.
    PS The feeling of another ... ceremonial report with empty content.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 9 January 2018 13: 45
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      They certified the product for state secrets. And you?
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 January 2018 13: 12
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    Well, if there is a normal interface,
    then why not.
    After all, military systems are imprisoned for certain tasks
    and making a shell for them is not so difficult.
  17. Chichikov
    Chichikov 9 January 2018 15: 22
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    Normal phenomenon. Two years I have in stock OS Rosa - also imprisoned and even certified for the needs of the Ministry of Defense and state institutions. In order to choose the best you need to have plenty to choose from. Moreover, Astra is being developed simultaneously in 5 or 6 centers, of course, no one does specialized products for free with special customer requirements. As for some inconveniences and changes in part of the familiar Linux interface and code, it’s also a specialized OS. All other exclamations, - la-la-fa-fa, from ignorance of the question.
  18. Dedall
    Dedall 9 January 2018 20: 49
    +2
    I put this “Astra” on my laptop six months ago and I can say that for some reason it works more slowly than a simple “Ubunta”. In addition, it has a lot of problems with installing third-party software. In particular, only one repository is "wired" into it, and on it programs even from those that are considered free with a gulkin nose. For example, there is nothing to work with headquarters maps. And in my opinion, the most important thing is that there are no ported versions of the “1C” models for it, and in our Moscow region “Warehouse”, “Personnel”, “Salary” and others have become standards for a long time.
    Outsiders, only the Arduino IDE was installed on my Astra, which works more or less normally. Even file managers like Double Commander and Krusader did not want to install. Not completely undemanding Lazarus was not installed.
    But impressive is the password protection system brought to paranoia. Perhaps it was she who impressed our oak-headed generals. I think that under the impression of films on cyber themes, they represent that password requests with or without reason is a sign of a secure system. In fact, this is far from the case, especially in the conditions when these passwords are written on stickers and hang next to monitors.
  19. Tarasios
    Tarasios 10 January 2018 13: 59
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    Quote: MoJloT
    In order for this whole okhineya to work normally, it will constantly be necessary to pour a lot of money into it. Under each update of Windows or IOS, it will be necessary to write links, constantly test ...

    So it applies to any software product. Especially - so complicated. To all - even having a normal work product - customers always regularly want new opportunities. Again - money is needed for this. And for five cents, no one will refine these innovations. So your "information about the next Deriban" is not the topic absolutely.