All computers of the Ministry of Defense will be transferred to the Russian software

All service computers of the Ministry of Defense are planned to be transferred from the Microsoft operating system to the domestic Astra Linux, reported News.

“The Ministry of Defense has decided to transfer all office computers to the Astra Linux operating system. This is a completely domestic development, its creator is the Moscow company RusBITech. For the working computers of the Ministry of Defense, she chose an expanded version of it - Astra Linux Special Edition with a built-in office suite. At the next stage, the new OS will be loaded onto special service smartphones and tablets, ”the article says.

According to the newspaper, for the introduction of operating systems are responsible for the two main departments of the department - communications and information technology development. It is noted that the OS will be the main for automated control systems and jobs, server and airborne equipment of military equipment.

This information was also confirmed by the director of JSC RusBITech Scientific Production Association Dmitry Donskoy.

The key feature of Astra Linux Special Edition is a unique information security system. "OS" is fully compatible with modern Russian-made computers. It works with high-tech domestic Elbrus, Baikal-T1 and Komdiv processors. They are the "heart" of the latest generation of supercomputers,

said don.

As the newspaper noted, the Astra Linux system has been used by the Russian Armed Forces for several years, in particular, it is based on the information system of the National Center for Defense Management of the Russian Federation. In addition, today it is used in existing models of weapons and military equipment and in a number of promising developments.

Comments

[aszzz888]

“The Ministry of Defense decided to transfer all office computers to the Astra Linux operating system. This is a completely domestic development, its creator is the Moscow company RusBITech.

... it's high time, we've been waiting ...

[dorz]

Foreign components may also be vulnerable.

[bulvas]

The Ministry of Defense decided to transfer all office computers to the Astra Linux operating system. This is a completely domestic development.

- this is nice!

Quote: dorz

Foreign components may also be vulnerable.

- so computers with our processors:

"OS" is fully compatible with modern computers of Russian production. She works with high-tech domestic processors Elbrus, Baikal-T1 and Comdiv. They are the "heart" of the latest generation of supercomputers,

- and this is the main thing

[Alf]

Quote: bulvas

- so computers with our processors:

And WHERE are they produced, these components?

[dik-nsk]

I really hope that the software is not like all the curves of domestic GIS for civilians, otherwise tryndets

[MoJloT]

Do not hope, and as far as it is our name, judge for yourself "Astra Linux Special Edition". This is another derban of money, with a known result. In order for this whole okhineya to work normally, it will constantly be necessary to pour a lot of money into it. Under each update of Windows or IOS, it will be necessary to write links, constantly test ...

[Krabik]

Now money is flowing directly to the enemy office with 100% bookmarks in the software.

Astra Linux can be arranged and studied to the taste of the customer and most importantly you do not have to pay an overseas corporation.

The only all this software from Astra is crooked and wretched and users will experience all the pain and loss on their own skin.

BUT, if they approach this issue seriously and modify the software to a working state, then everything will be tip-top.
What I strongly doubt ...

[Starover_Z]

For working computers, the Ministry of Defense chose an expanded version of it - Astra Linux Special Edition with a built-in office suite. At the next stage, the new OS will be uploaded to special service smartphones and tablets, ”

“Only this is not enough!” - as Sofia Rotaru sings.
It is necessary that the data from this System and the personnel do not dock with Windows in any way! In this case, it will be a specific ambush for fans of the sale of state secrets!

[bulvas]

Quote: Starover_Z

“Only this is not enough!” - as Sofia Rotaru sings. It is necessary that the data from this System and the personnel do not dock with Windows in any way! In this case, it will be a specific ambush for fans of the sale of state secrets!

This is not a question for the OS, but for the security team.

Data exchange can be organized between any OS, if there is permission

[Cxnumx]

Quote: Starover_Z

It is necessary that the data from this System and the personnel do not dock with Windows in any way!

um ... well, it’s hard for me personally to imagine this. it is easier to isolate the system from the external environment and remove it on a PC, you can connect external media.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: K0

um ... well, it’s hard for me personally to imagine this. it is easier to isolate the system from the external environment and remove it on a PC, you can connect external media.

If the System under "Elbrus" were written by themselves, under their own "hardware", as once CP / M86, then such a chip would have passed "at times", but it seems alas ...
Although it is written that some software just won't work under Windows.
But it would be gorgeous to process all of your state information on your hardware and in your programs that are in no way compatible with Western OSs!

[Cxnumx]

Quote: Starover_Z

But it would be gorgeous to process all of your state information on your hardware and in your programs that are in no way compatible with Western OSs!

gradually creep to this, at least in terms of software in the state. offices:
http://www.fko.msk.ru/fko/news_law/detail.php?ID=
3320
but it would really be gorgeous if they made a sane OS for home PCs - it would be a breakthrough.

[jolly deckhand]

It's high time. Or one day everything will turn into a bunch of rubbish worthless.

[MoJloT]

With the beginning of the introduction of Astra Linux Special Edition on the PC MO, everything is a bunch of junk useless and turn into.

[svp67]

All computers of the Ministry of Defense will be transferred to the Russian software

One thing reassures us that our Astra with its interface is very similar to Winduus; you don’t need to retrain for a long time.

[bulvas]

Quote: svp67

One thing reassures us that our Astra with its interface is very similar to Winduus; you don’t need to retrain for a long time.

Is it a long time for relearning on Android, or on iOS?

Nevertheless, the bulk of users will work with specific applications, and not walk around the system and do not put any software at their discretion

On the contrary, it is better to limit users to the maximum, for security and stability it is better

[1vlad19]

Quote: bulvas

On the contrary, it is better to limit users to the maximum

And if a specific software is used in the work? For example, corel, photoshop, design is there a replacement for them? And the libra, this is not an office, he is not standing next to T-shirts.

[bulvas]

Quote: 1vlad19

Quote: bulvas

On the contrary, it is better to limit users to the maximum

And if a specific software is used in the work? For example, corel, photoshop, design is there a replacement for them? And the libra, this is not an office, he is not standing next to T-shirts.

For these tasks there will be a separate office, most likely a private contractor in other networks

It's about critical defense sites, not about drawing posters or leaflets

And yes, what does corel or photoshop have to do with libra or MS Office?

[1vlad19]

Quote: bulvas

most likely a private contractor

Feed strangers? It is much more expensive than having your own unit. Posters, leaflets, such a long time no one does. You cannot even make a simple photo exhibition, beautifully designed, in Astra.

Quote: bulvas

We are talking about critical defense facilities.

Let them put it there, except for documents, presentations, graphs and charts, they don’t create anything else there. And we have, as always, pariah said it is necessary, the people answered there.

[bulvas]

Quote: 1vlad19

Feed strangers? It is much more expensive than having your own unit. Posters, leaflets, such a long time no one does. You cannot even make a simple photo exhibition, beautifully designed, in Astra.

This is mistake
Private contractor for such simple jobs that do not require an admission,
will always be cheaper

[1vlad19]

Quote: bulvas

Private contractor for such simple jobs that do not require an admission,

A private trader will deal only with the orders of the MO? If this is a large publishing house, then it carries out different orders, but if it is small, it will drown in orders. Do you know how much it costs to develop, for example, a banner? Quite expensive, but if you need a couple of dozen of them for regions and with different information populations? And just because you can’t attract a private trader, only through bidding. Underestimate the price, the auction will not take place, and your terms are on fire.
And if you need a training manual or training notebooks chipboard?

[bulvas]

Quote: 1vlad19

A private trader will be

In training, on urgent, I boasted that I can draw
As a result, everyone was asleep, and I drew plans all night
It’s good that I stood in the first line, my sergeant, who harnessed me to work, stood in front of me.
When I fell asleep on a morning divorce, he supported me with his back and woke me with his elbow.
The only plus was that at nights in the office, when I was drawing, we listened to music and drank tea, and in the morning, on a charge, everyone got out of bed, and I left the office

The military should do the service, not draw banners

[Genry]

Quote: 1vlad19

And if you need a training manual or training notebooks chipboard?

And how are products manufactured not just chipboard but also of "special importance"?
Even in the USSR it was not a problem to create a self-supporting enterprise with military management and civilian executives. It was called type: "PO Box-12345".

[1vlad19]

Quote: Genry

Even in the USSR it was not a problem to create a self-supporting enterprise

No, printing houses were created, under the guise of the newspaper’s editors, we have the Suvorov onslaught, the Far Eastern border guard, a military watch in Vladivostok, and there are printing houses with machine tools there.

[Genry]

Quote: 1vlad19

printing houses were created, under the guise of the newspaper, we have Suvorov onslaught ..... and there are printing houses with machine tools.

Well, why did you suddenly have difficulties like:

Quote: 1vlad19

And if you need a training manual or training notebooks chipboard?

[1vlad19]

Quote: Genry

Well, why did you suddenly have difficulties

While there are no difficulties, but if they transfer, as everyone promises, to Astra, they will arise. We have an adob package used. Although, I did one notebook in Word, such a hemorrhoids.

[Genry]

Quote: 1vlad19

but if they transfer, as everyone promises, to Astra, they will arise. We have an adob package used. Although, I did one notebook in Word, such a hemorrhoids

Well, so "Scribus" to you in a comp ...
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scribus

[sogdy]

Quote: 1vlad19

You cannot even make a simple photo exhibition, beautifully designed, in Astra.

In Debian you can, but in Astra you can’t? Someone banned?

[1vlad19]

Well, it's not just printing pictures, you need to pull something out of pdf, remove something, add somewhere, do a retouch. I proto gave an example, and make a beautiful calendar for a year in five minutes? Created, printed a hundredth, changed the photo for another region and another hundredth.

[sogdy]

Quote: 1vlad19

something needs to be pulled out from pdf

Vashcheta, pdf is not a microsoft product. And still the main visual format of Linux.

Quote: 1vlad19

I proto gave an example, and make a beautiful calendar for a year in five minutes?

Trying to understand - why do I need your calendar? And look at the repo, something constantly interfered.

[1vlad19]

We are talking about the OS and software availability. I know there is adobe, all publishers work on it. The task of the MO is to provide software for the needs of the unit, and then transfer to Astra.

[sogdy]

Quote: 1vlad19

The task of the MO is to provide software for the needs of the unit

Quote: 1vlad19

calendar for a year beautiful to do in five minutes? Created, printed a hundredth, changed the photo for another region and another hundredth.

I think of a gap pattern.
Why does the unit need a beautiful calendar?
Software not included in the box is (will be) in the Astra repository. So far, presumably, Debian's repo is compatible with Astra.
What more do you need?
For connection to the Internet / via the Internet - "Internet-PCm". And the "military Internet" as a repo storage / distribution site.

[1vlad19]

Quote: sogdy

Why does the unit need a beautiful calendar?

Do not understand until you serve at the border. You know, when there are 6 days off a month, and 100 km to the house, and the house’s calendar hangs with his father, husband, etc. Relatives have joy.

Quote: sogdy

For connection to the Internet / via the Internet - "Internet-PCm". And the "military Internet"

The Internet is only on dedicated PCs under mint and access is needed.

[sogdy]

Quote: 1vlad19

I know there is adobe, all publishers work on it.

Correct: there are Mac systems and AldusOS for printing machines. Perhaps, after the absorption by Aldus Adobe / ABC-System / Art n Leter / Xerox, the axis was called Adobe OOS. But cars and electronic giblets are produced under the flag of Dresden, the birthplace of the Aldus family.
Aldus is such a pioneer who began not with the Bible, but with commercial and warehouse forms.

[1vlad19]

Quote: sogdy

there are Mac systems and AldusOS

I don’t argue, maybe I’m engaged in design and layout, and I don’t know what tasks they will give except the main newspaper. I have seen modern cars, but they won’t give us that kind of money, although there is an extra-budget, this is a trifle, a lemon a year. We print on the side, and our own, next to it is HP 5525, the color goes through it. Forms and more on the frame.

[100502]

Domestic development? Linux? Idiocy is the diagnosis

[Same lech]

All official computers of the Ministry of Defense are planned to be transferred from the Microsoft operating system

The idiocy is that the office computers of the DEFENSE used Microsoft OS ... with its source code not disclosed.

[1vlad19]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

with its source code not disclosed.

Who said? In Windows XP SP 2, the source code of the FSB is verified. Go to the FSB website, there are documents on the workstation.

[Same lech]

Go to the FSB website, there are documents on the workstation.

I didn't know ... to blame

[sogdy]

Quote: 1vlad19

Go to the FSB website, there are documents on the workstation.

www.fsb.ru/
Where to go?

[1vlad19]

Quote: sogdy

Where to go?

Center for licensing, certification ...
I already looked there, even Windows 7 checked.

[sogdy]

SF/112-2642 17.06.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX
17.06.2018/7/1 "The operating system Microsoft Windows 32 Ultimate Service Pack 64 3.0/3 bit with built-in and additionally integrated security mechanisms implemented by the information protection tool "Secure Pack Rus version 4 (versions 3, 3)"" complies with the requirements of the Federal Security Service of Russia for protection information from unauthorized access in automated information systems located on the territory of the Russian Federation, class AK2 (for version 4), class AKXNUMX (for version XNUMX) and can be used to protect information that does not contain information constituting a state secret Microsoft Rus LLC
121614, Moscow,
st. Krylatskaya, d. 17/1
LLC "CNAEn"
129626, Moscow, st. Novoalekseevskaya,
d.20A, p. 1

from the FSB website

[forty-eighth]

Astra Linux distribution - domestic development. In principle, this is the correct wording.

[Zubr]

Why is "idiocy" the most rational way out. Open architecture, the core is completely controlled, it is handled, all ports are controlled. Extra bugs can be freely cleaned, compiled and work on health, without looking back and fearlessly. The rest is all a hitch. The main thing is that the hardware does not fail and there are no hardware spy bookmarks. Well, for this we have specialists in specials. Department. Well, of course, our elemental base.

[bulvas]

Quote: 100502

Domestic development? Linux? Idiocy is the diagnosis

Quote: Zubr

Why "idiocy", the most rational way out

- simply, a person (100502) is not aware of what he decided to speak about

[Spec]

those. do it yourself, but pay twice as much as for Windows?

[forty-eighth]

The question is very interesting ...
We will never see the contract for obvious reasons and we won’t know what is supplied: the distribution itself or technical support. The distributor itself is Debian-like, which means the continuity of the GNU GPL license, which prohibits the commercial use of free system components.
The most common business model based on linux distributions is the sale of technical support. A good, debugged, stable, proven business.
I am inclined that this is exactly how Astra Linux comes in. The distribution itself is free, only technical support is paid.
But we can have all sorts of somersaults, including piracy of the product, the most loyal to the free flow of information.
However, we most likely will not find out the details ...

[Spec]

I went to the aster-linukh site and looked at how much “Smolensk” is worth. I understand that it is the distribution.

[forty-eighth]

Unfortunately, their site does not open for me, but since you are talking about prices, which I call "horse", then either distrib does not use free software (which is extremely unlikely), or ... something else. One thing I know for sure - the sale of free software is prohibited.
Generally speaking, this story has already confused me. I will read the comments, it may become clear.

[Spec]

Now the site "lay down" asked to come later))) "Smolensk" they have almost 29k.

[Spec]

Google wrote that "the site may have been hacked," and offers to look at a saved copy))))

[MoJloT]

Everything went, clean the extra bugs, compile, sort through the handles of the kernel ...

Who is testing my port ???

[Spec]

Most likely this gadget is connected to a closed local network and does not have the ability to install third-party software;)

[MoJloT]

The administrator for any unlimited access rights

[grandson of the hero]

Are you a great linux specialist?
As a user with more than ten years of experience, I consider the choice more than right !!! Once installed, I do not change the choice. And for all this time, he did not have a single malomalsky problem ...

[forty-eighth]

Well it depends on the needs. Still, I sometimes want to play games, and don’t bother with a flash player ... I have mint on the laptop, I don’t ask for food, but on the stationary home computer I still want advanced functionality.

[Sands Careers General]

Clear business, Windows for toys and other entertainments, wine will not help.

[sogdy]

Quote: forty-eighth

Still, I sometimes want to play games, and do not bother with a flash player ...

65% of Microsoft's revenue comes from selling Linux applications.

[NEXUS]

Quote: 100502

Domestic development? Linux? Idiocy is the diagnosis

Linux is just the kernel ... no matter how controversial this decision is, judging by the comments, I think it looks a lot more like a diagnosis of using Microsoft OS, that is, the OS and software of a potential adversary.
As for all the attendant problems, sitting exactly on the ass and doing nothing, but only arguing that everyone is foolish, is much easier than getting up and starting to do something in principle.

[Alexey-74]

It is high time. The Ministry of Defense should be completely independent of Western technology.

[MoJloT]

True! Everything is just yours!

[rotmistr60]

Honestly, I thought that we had completely switched over, because MO on this occasion has already reported. His shirt is closer to his body, and the possibility of failure at the most inopportune moment is reduced.

[MoJloT]

Not only Moscow Region, all Ministries periodically switch to domestic software. In fact, they are simply sawing money, according to how much all these offspring are stillborn.

[flicker]

The most common reaction to the news: "It's high time."

[The Siberian barber]

This news is somewhat surprising: personally, it seemed to me that ALREADY work ..
But better late than never

[askort154]

"We do not use anything supernatural from imported elemental life. We are import-substituting. We are successfully replacing a number of foreign components that are used in the manufacture of equipment with domestic counterparts. Our electronics industry does not stand still. We also use this option when manufacturing the elemental base is carried out abroad, and development is with us. This avoids potential bookmarks. This is a completely normal technology, it is also actively used by Americans and Europeans. "
(General Designer of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern Pavel Sozinov. In an interview with Interfax AVN 24. 03. 2015
Today is 2018 in the yard. Shifts on the face.

[dSK]

Hello, Alexander!

Quote: askort154

Shifts on the face.

"Russian antispyware smartphone" TaigaFon " getting ready for mass sales. The Moscow company Taiga System, which is 99% owned by the head of InfoWatch group of companies Natalya Kasperskaya, developed the Russian mobile communications device. The smartphone runs on the Android 6.0 Marshmallow operating system (2015), supplemented by proprietary Taiga firmware. This firmware allows you to completely prevent the leakage of any information from your smartphone to the Internet. Moreover, if any of the TaigaPhone applications tries to turn on the microphone or send a message, the visual alarm will immediately attract the attention of the owner! The Russian TaigaPhone will be released by the Chinese company Zopo, known for its low-cost smartphones based on MediaTek chipsets. The first 50 TaigaPhone will soon arrive in government. Anyone can buy it, fortunately, the price for it is promised a low: from 000 to 12 thousand rubles. "Made in Russia", 02.01.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX.

[PSih2097]

Quote from dsk

"The Russian antispyware smartphone TaigaFon is preparing for mass sales.
Anyone can buy it, fortunately, the price for it is promised a low: from 12 to 15 thousand rubles.

TaigaFon: smartphone features

The phone has two SIM card slots, a 5-inch screen with a resolution of 1280x720 and a 1900 mAh battery. The amount of RAM is 2 GB, internal - 16 GB. The resolution of the camera located on the back of the smartphone is 8 megapixels, the front camera is 4 megapixels. Also, the gadget has a standard headphone jack and microUSB connector for charging.

To be honest - a little expensive for such a tube.

[Greenwood]

To be honest, with such antediluvian characteristics and at such a price, in principle, no one will need it.

[tchoni]

Astra Linux. This is a completely domestic development, its creator is the Moscow company RusBITech.

Exactly ... completely domestic ... so domestic that the Linux platform does not use at all ...

[rocket757]

Shot of this we have heard !!!
Things must be done, but they can chat in vain.
Again banal - we'll see, feel, smell and then ..... it will come later!

[Hurricane70]

It's high time ... Iphone to take away too ...

[MoJloT]

You will select, call me)

[Sands Careers General]

It is high time))
Already on the Internet, it will be necessary to test on a virtual machine)

[groks]

Linux is the same domestic as Bakal with Elbrus. But certainly better than Windows. RusBITech seems to be selling and reselling.

[Genry]

Quote: groks

Linux is the same domestic as Bakal with Elbrus.

As for ELBRUS, what is imported there? Completely own architecture.
Linux is just an open kernel. The system that uses this kernel is called GNU.
And the military uses only that part of the code that is completely controlled by them.

Quote: groks

RusBITech seems to be selling and reselling.

And then they wanted to say something?

[groks]

what's imported

All. The processor is Taiwan, the rest is China. Disposal of DDR-2 from Samsung.

And the military uses only that part of the code that is completely controlled by them.

How? Did they buy a depository?

And then they wanted to say something?

Only that sharashka may belong to no one knows. Already.

[Genry]

Quote: groks

All. CPU - Taiwan,

Only in custom "baking" 28nm crystals for Elbruss-8C. Elbruss-4C 65nm and earlier, “bake” in Russia. The main thing is that your architecture! The scattering can be any.

Quote: groks

Disposal of DDR-2 from Samsung.

Are you recently out of freeze? Modern Elbrus-8S use DDR-3 and switch to DDR-4 (Elbrus-8C2)

[groks]

Well, bake and stop. Raw materials supply to 65 will cease. Equipment. The Siemens Controllers will infect the virus.
Well - they disposed of the DDR-2 dump, took up the remaining illiquid assets. What difference does it make if all this can be blocked in one motion?
Where are they releasing discretion? Foil material? And multi-layer boards? Nakoy such an import substitution?
The architecture is not so much its own, it’s just that new is hard to come up with. The only question is - do good uncles in Taiwan add nothing from the NSA to this architecture?

[Genry]

Quote: groks

Well, bake and stop. Raw materials supply to 65 will cease. Equipment. The Siemens Controllers will infect the virus.

Do not compose, raw materials do not depend on the level of technology - only improving.
And what’s there the “Siemens Controllers” you mentioned, you are hinting at Iran, so for Russia it was by.

Quote: groks

Well - they disposed of the DDR-2 dump, took up the remaining illiquid assets. What difference does it make if all this can be blocked in one motion?

Memory is a simple product that reflects only the level of production technology and not a schematic design (a regular array of cells with buffering). The quality of the manufacturing process is tested with memory, since the cells are easily tested and the level of possible product outputs is determined.

Quote: groks

Where are they releasing discretion?

Do you even know the meaning of this word? This is an adjective and not a noun.

Quote: groks

... release? Foil material? And multi-layer boards?

Since the Great Getinax ....

Quote: groks

The architecture is not so much its own, it’s just that new is hard to come up with. The only question is - do good uncles in Taiwan add nothing from the NSA to this architecture?

Do you have any idea how to manually disassemble the logic of the scheme according to the photo template, then make your changes and re-design the entire photo template under the new scheme. After which, the customer simply interestedly scans the crystal and sees all the inconsistencies.
Your naivety is higher than that of a person of preschool age.
And the architecture of Elbrus - well, completely different. And there is nothing close, only the VLIW principle.

[groks]

raw materials do not depend on the level of technology

Is sand used directly?
I’m hinting right at them. What next time and where to bark?
We do not make memory. Therefore, the level of technology is not available?
I regularly attach this adjective. And it is only imported. If there is a tip on the domestic adjective, at reasonable prices and at least not worse than the Chinese, then please give the address. In order to increase the country's defense capability .
I do not ask how and with what result it is possible to scan a crystal. And then in our year in 83 the storekeeper counted the CMOS batch. Hands.
Does VLIW have nothing to do with RISC? And is it all designed right here with us? In the office, in the abbreviation of which the penultimate letter means SPARC.

[Genry]

Quote: groks

Is sand used directly?

Everyone thinks to the best of their ability ...

Quote: groks

We do not make memory. Therefore, the level of technology is not available?

Within the available process technology, it is possible to do 65nm. But why, cheaper to buy, and check for bookmarks is very easy.

Quote: groks

I regularly attach this adjective. And it is only imported. If there is a tip on the domestic adjective, at reasonable prices and at least not worse than the Chinese, then please give the address. In order to increase the country's defense capability .

In order to improve defense capability, all passive elements can be taken anywhere, at the best price-quality ratio, with the necessary parameters.

Quote: groks

I do not ask how and with what result it is possible to scan a crystal. And then in our year in 83 the storekeeper counted the CMOS batch. Hands.

Well, you removed the stats from jo-pi?

Quote: groks

Does VLIW have nothing to do with RISC? And is it all designed right here with us? In the office, in the abbreviation of which the penultimate letter means SPARC.

MCST besides SPARC also dabbled in MIPS. "Elbrus" has nothing to do with them. Watch the wiki ...

[groks]

So where do we produce high-purity materials for processors?
Was it also easier for Stalin to buy German tanks than to purr with his own?
So what is the technique of “scanning" the crystal? In the 70s they simply polished in layers.
Is Elbrus related to VLIW? Is this a development of RISC? Well no?
Where to buy domestic electronic components, foil material? We can’t do it anywhere - GOZ, import substitution.

[sogdy]

Quote: groks

Linux is the same domestic as Bakal with Elbrus

I am trying to understand the essence of your objection.
Elbrus and the truncation of Lake Baikal are still not domestic?
Linux is not even an OS, it is an implementation idea. It has 4 main and many little-known development paths. It consists of a kernel (the very idea of ​​implementation) and an arbitrary shell, where the shell can only what the kernel allows.
The core in Russian terminology is the director + resident, where the director can be BIOS.
And plus the idea of ​​upgrading a shell from a repo. All software products in this regard are shell upgrades. What was formulated directly on Algol-GDR. At the level of the OS command system (in the fashionable way - in the terminal), we have the same thing for the M-20.
So, a Linux system designed exclusively for our processor systems - why not ours?

[groks]

Elbrus and the truncation of Lake Baikal are still not domestic?

No.

So, a Linux system designed exclusively for our processor systems - why not ours?

I explain the essence of the claims. At any time, we can be left without domestic-Taiwanese processors. There are no vulnerabilities in Lin? Come on. And some come up in 10 years. And this system is not something that will work only on Elbrus and not work on everything else.

[Genry]

Quote: groks

At any time, we can be left without domestic-Taiwanese processors.

Crystals can be baked elsewhere, and soon in Russia.

Quote: groks

There are no vulnerabilities in Lin?

What are the detected errors and vulnerabilities? If the code has passed multiple targeted audits, then errors are unlikely.

Quote: groks

And this system is not something that will work only on Elbrus and not work on everything else.

What is this for? The Elbrus command system is unique, it is possible to emulate (all), but it does not make sense.

[Beholder]

Here are the addresses of "serious developers" - http://astra-linux.com; http: //www.astra-linux.ru
Come in and see for yourself.
PS The feeling of another ... ceremonial report with empty content.

[sogdy]

They certified the product for state secrets. And you?

[Zomanus]

Well, if there is a normal interface,
then why not.
After all, military systems are imprisoned for certain tasks
and making a shell for them is not so difficult.

[Chichikov]

Normal phenomenon. Two years I have in stock OS Rosa - also imprisoned and even certified for the needs of the Ministry of Defense and state institutions. In order to choose the best you need to have plenty to choose from. Moreover, Astra is being developed simultaneously in 5 or 6 centers, of course, no one does specialized products for free with special customer requirements. As for some inconveniences and changes in part of the familiar Linux interface and code, it’s also a specialized OS. All other exclamations, - la-la-fa-fa, from ignorance of the question.

[Dedall]

I put this “Astra” on my laptop six months ago and I can say that for some reason it works more slowly than a simple “Ubunta”. In addition, it has a lot of problems with installing third-party software. In particular, only one repository is "wired" into it, and on it programs even from those that are considered free with a gulkin nose. For example, there is nothing to work with headquarters maps. And in my opinion, the most important thing is that there are no ported versions of the “1C” models for it, and in our Moscow region “Warehouse”, “Personnel”, “Salary” and others have become standards for a long time.
Outsiders, only the Arduino IDE was installed on my Astra, which works more or less normally. Even file managers like Double Commander and Krusader did not want to install. Not completely undemanding Lazarus was not installed.
But impressive is the password protection system brought to paranoia. Perhaps it was she who impressed our oak-headed generals. I think that under the impression of films on cyber themes, they represent that password requests with or without reason is a sign of a secure system. In fact, this is far from the case, especially in the conditions when these passwords are written on stickers and hang next to monitors.

[Tarasios]

Quote: MoJloT

In order for this whole okhineya to work normally, it will constantly be necessary to pour a lot of money into it. Under each update of Windows or IOS, it will be necessary to write links, constantly test ...

So it applies to any software product. Especially - so complicated. To all - even having a normal work product - customers always regularly want new opportunities. Again - money is needed for this. And for five cents, no one will refine these innovations. So your "information about the next Deriban" is not the topic absolutely.