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Project "ZZ". "Communist" and "dreamer" against the "king"

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A new critic of President Putin, Pavel Grudinin, has become incredibly popular in Russia, the American press writes. This man, who wants to become president, has a whole army of supporters, "tired" of the permanent owner of the Kremlin and his oligarch friends, and this brings together Grudinina’s audience with Navalny’s audience.




Grudinin’s audience, according to Western analysts, is about the same as that of Navalny: they are Russians whom Putin has long been tired of in power. Grudinin is not afraid to make fun of V. V. Putin’s dependence on such people, who are actually “long ago” in prison.

However, experts doubt the victory of so brave Grudinina in the elections. But he has a chance to come to the finish line in the second race. And it is also worth a lot.

That is why the critical statements of Comrade Grudinin, who suddenly appeared on the political arena of Russia, where, as was considered until now, Putin "has no one to replace", created a new topic in the American and European press.

As David Filipov writes in «The Washington Post»This candidate for the presidency "has no chance against Putin." However, man "is inherent desire for a dream."

Gudinin has become very popular on the YouTube channel, notes David Filipov. This is because presidential candidate P. Grudinin criticizes President Vladimir Putin’s policies.



This presidential contender has a whole nationwide "political machine" and there is an audience consisting of "millions of people" who are "fed up with the current Kremlin owner and his oligarch friends."

Of course, Putin will win the new election, and win them with the “overwhelming majority” of the votes. And he has another six-year term ahead. Nevertheless, Grudinin has a "good chance."

Pavel Grudinin was an "unexpected candidate" from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the journalist said. Grudinina named Gennady Zyuganov himself, 73, the summer leader of the party who participated in the elections four times already.

57-year-old Grudinin is the manager who turned the former state agriculture outside of Moscow “into a thriving business,” which he presents as a “demonstration of socialism,” Filipov writes. And this very “socialism” comrade Grudinin promises to return all of Russia.

Like Navalny (excluded from the ballot in the past month), Grudinin appeals to the Russians, "tired of Putin, who has been in power for 18 years." In his videos, the author continues, Grudinin openly makes fun of Putin’s dependence on people who, as "everyone knows", must "be in prison for a long time", and promises to repatriate home billions from offshore accounts opened by Russian "elites".

Like Navalny in the past, Grudinin appeals to Russian nationalists. Both speak out against economic migrants from Central Asia. Both also claim that Russians do not live as well as people in the West.

“I think that the Russian people should live better than the people we won in the war,” Grudinin said recently at the popular political talk show “Evening with Vladimir Solovyov” (meaning the life in Germany, the journalist said).

Grudinin appeals to Russians who regret the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. And there are a lot of such people: according to the latest survey, their 58%. Grudinin can show these people something that neither Navalny nor Putin can give: the state farm named after Lenin, the former Soviet economy, which Grudinin himself transformed into a "socialist oasis in the capitalist jungles of Moscow's suburbs."

The Lenin Sovkhoz, continues D. Filipov, delivers fruits and vegetables to supermarkets in Moscow. Grudinin, who told Solovyov that his income last year amounted to 20 million rubles (about 351 thousand dollars), said that his employees receive about 1370 dollars a month, and this salary is more than twice the average for Russia. In addition, employees are guaranteed medical care, education for children and housing.

Putin on this background looks extremely pale. Speaking at the congress of the political party "United Russia", he promised to fight corruption, offered more incentives to business, and also promised to allocate money for the currently poorly funded health care and education systems.

“But it’s risky to make new promises to the president: after all, what did he do for eighteen years?” Wrote Russian journalist Andrei Pertsev in the material for the Moscow Carnegie Center. According to this expert, Grudinin meets two people's needs: first, with his promises of a better life, and second, with criticism of those who "are now in power."

Filipov assumes that the further Grudinin’s campaign goes, the higher his recognition among the people will be.

But how far will it all go?

Russia's political system under Putin consists of communists along with ultranationalists from the Liberal Democratic (“erroneously so designated”) party of Russia, headed by another “permanent presidential candidate”, Vladimir Zhirinovsky. The Communists and this so-called liberal are considered to be something of a “systemic opposition” and a “technical” alternative to Putin and United Russia. In fact, both the Communists and the Liberal Democratic Party rarely "try to block the Kremlin’s policies, if they ever did it." D. Filipov does not remember when the last time “Zhirinovsky or Zyuganov would have said that it’s time for Putin to leave.”

And now Grudinin appeared. How sincere is he, claiming that he really wants to replace Putin?

Russian analysts, the author develops the idea, believe that Grudinin’s candidacy "is part of a Kremlin project to increase voter turnout." “The Communist Party is a pro-government party integrated into the state political system, so no one should consider the decision on its campaign as an unexpected trick for the authorities,” political analyst Yevgeny Minchenko commented on Grudinina’s nomination.

So is there a chance for Grudinina? Who knows!..

But the West, at least, had a good reason to pay attention to the election campaign in Russia, the journalist points out, and not just Navalny.

According to the political commentator of the influential German newspaper «Süddeutsche Zeitung» Frank Nienhuysen, March election 2018 year "will not bring surprises." Ninhuizen sees not even an election, but a performance: here is Ksenia Sobchak, who will speak maliciously about the country's leadership; Here are the Communists, who, "as an exception," pretend that they are unhappy with the power ... Who else? A whole crowd wants to run, and its very existence means the formal existence of “pluralism” in Russia: they say, any way is open to the Kremlin. This is all ridiculous; Putin’s “Tsar” will remain in the Kremlin: he is already preparing to take over the reins of government. True, he will have a hard time: it is during this period that Putin will have to decide the question of a successor.

There is another sharp question: Putin should use the next six years to modernize the country's economy, otherwise history he will enter as the president of the period of stagnation - after all, almost all attempts to carry out reforms ended in failure.

China managed to become one of the leading economic world powers, but Russia did not, the author believes. The country is still dependent on energy exports, and bragging to the Kremlin-controlled media is worthless. The current youth understands this. Putin probably also understands something: he is president, and he should contribute to the growth of the well-being of the Russian people. Will he be able to do this? Hardly, Ninghuizen believes, because for this you need to “loosen your grip” and give the people more “economic and social freedoms”.

* * *


Noting the rapid growth in popularity of the communist nominee Grudinin, who doesn’t stand behind empty words, but real deeds, Western commentators still believe that VV Putin will be the winner of the 2018 elections. On the other hand, then, apparently, the struggle for the victory in the elections of the 2024 of the year, in which the “tsar” Putin cannot take part, will begin. And then, Grudinin’s victory is quite probable, if only he does not back down from his idea of ​​becoming a president and building socialism in Russia.

There is also an opinion that Comrade Grudinin is a candidate not an independent, but a “Kremlin project”. The project aims to increase attention to the elections and, consequently, to a greater turnout. Exactly the same opinion was previously expressed in relation to another candidate - Ksenia Sobchak; therefore, the commentators are not original here.

In any case, the growing popularity of Pavel Grudinin means that a real new contender has appeared on the political horizon of the country. And all those who still considered Putin "irreplaceable", were surprised to see a potential replacement, and behind it they found a fairly wide public audience.
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      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 9 January 2018 09: 31
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        210quq Today, 09:12 ↑ New
        And everything in politics is muddy. And Putin is the first on this list.
        Well, at least some things are visible behind Putin, but what is Grudinin’s acre PR? I already wrote that being a good chairman of a state farm does not mean being a good president of Russia. The scale you know is not the same. To begin with, he would have to get experience at least by the ministry. And in foreign policy, he is zero without a wand.
        1. captain
          captain 9 January 2018 09: 39
          16
          You have a red flag, and oppose the Communists. One must be given the opportunity not to die Lenin's dream. The milkmaid (combiner) corrected the state, to give the collective farm chairman to steer.
          1. novel66
            novel66 9 January 2018 09: 43
            48
            Yes, we already had one farmer, something I do not want anymore!
            1. cannabis
              cannabis 9 January 2018 09: 53
              23
              He is not a farmer, he is a trader (economist). In addition, he did not serve in the army, that is, he did not swear allegiance. God's chosen.
              1. To be or not to be
                To be or not to be 9 January 2018 10: 34
                +8
                cannabis Today, 09:53 ↑ New
                He is not a farmer, he is a trader.
                Do you want RUSSIA in Strawberry?
                Look to the west - to the "country in chocolate ..."
                1. cannabis
                  cannabis 9 January 2018 10: 49
                  +6
                  Take the trouble to explain the images of “Russia in Strawberry” and “Country in Chocolate” and their connection with my supposed desires. What did you want to express?
                  1. jjj
                    jjj 9 January 2018 11: 29
                    19
                    If you look at the prices of strawberries, you quickly realize that somehow it does not smell like socialism. Real capitalism. And the requirements from the government to help specific agriculture near Moscow. The more you delve into what the character in question is saying, the more you wonder. He does not even reach his Belarusian counterpart (in agricultural)
                  2. To be or not to be
                    To be or not to be 9 January 2018 11: 49
                    12
                    I'm not about you. Excuse me . if something is wrong hi

                    About the situation and the promotion of Grudinin.
                    His managerial level with a 320-person CJSC does not correspond to such a huge and complex country and is especially difficult for her internal and external environment.
                    Which can lead to a situation like in the 90s of the last century. Is it necessary for Russia and its people ??
                    "Horses at the crossing do not change"
                    Reforms in the country's governance structure are already visible ahead ...
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 9 January 2018 12: 34
                      +1
                      March will come and a joke may occur- if suddenly GDP will refuse the elections and / or will not be able to participate in them for any reason (including illness / death). Unrealistic? Yes, easily ...
                      That THEN The Communist Party will do? With a billionaire headed?
                      Nonsense ....
                      1. businessv
                        businessv 9 January 2018 23: 31
                        0
                        Who are you talking about? Who is the billionaire? )))
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 10 January 2018 07: 44
                        +3
                        Quote: businessv
                        Who are you talking about? Who is the billionaire? )))
                        I'm talking about Grudinin ... if you don’t know the owner of a 44% stake in a closed joint-stock company (worth about 3 billion rubles or 52 million dollars), which he can any moment to implement (even without the consent of other current shareholders, the law on CJSC)
                        Quote: your1970
                        What will the Communist Party then do? With a billionaire at the head?
                    2. AA17
                      AA17 9 January 2018 12: 35
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                      Dear, To be or not to be. This horses at the crossing do not change. "Ours" on horses do not pull. More like jackals and rats.
                      "... Reforms are already visible ahead ..." - Your phrase. Another 6 years of such reforms and we will return to the beginning of the 2000s.
                      "... The already recession in the economy - a record one in duration since the beginning of the 1990s - sent the country 5-9 years into the past. So, retail turnover in 2017 was 13,1% lower than in the pre-crisis 2014. construction volumes (7,8% less than three years ago) Russia returned in 2010, for the production of goods in factories and factories in the processing segment (0,5% less) - in 2012. Domestic private demand turned out to be 10% less than in the last pre-crisis year and corresponds to the level of 8 years ago ... "- article" HSE predicted a disastrous year for the Russian economy "
                      Read more at https://khazin.ru/articles/6-jekonomika/56627-vsh
                      je-predskazala-proval-nyy-god-dlja-rossiyskoy-jek
                      onomiki
                      1. To be or not to be
                        To be or not to be 9 January 2018 16: 07
                        +7
                        Dear AA17 ..
                        - article "HSE predicted a disastrous year for the Russian economy"
                        At the word "HSE" an allergy begins .. and Khazin is the grave digger of America .. !!!
                        From a 2008 interview https://www.crimea.kp.ru/daily/24189/396671/
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 10 January 2018 21: 43
                        +1
                        These numbers are nonsense from the HSE.
                      3. In100gram
                        In100gram 12 January 2018 23: 13
                        0
                        Quote: AA17
                        HSE predicts disastrous year for Russian economy

                        Here it’s already funny. All HSE Heroes from the 90s. Office of the "healers"
                    3. Bosch
                      Bosch 9 January 2018 16: 44
                      17
                      The crossing dragged on for 17 years, but everyone does not change the horses. This means that the horses are well at the crossing, but not the rest.
                      1. karabas-barabas
                        karabas-barabas 11 January 2018 20: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Bosch
                        So horses are good


                        There may be enough animals in the power to endure, they have already shown their attitude to people, maybe it's time for people to give a chance.
                    4. businessv
                      businessv 9 January 2018 23: 27
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                      Dear, I have been watching Grudinin with interest for three years now, he is not only a person who stayed on the state farm when everyone fled from him, but also made a model of him. Name at least one such example. If you think that this is easy to do in our country, then you do not know our country! If a person did this, then he knows (by the way, he graduated from the State Academy of Civil Service, was a deputy of the Moscow Regional Duma) SYSTEM, and knowing it, you can manage anything in it! And the election program clearly states that the external course is not even subject to revision and change. Follow not only articles and comments, and everything will be fine with us!))) It will not be possible to change the horse at the crossing, but the second person in the state, together with his cabinet, is high time!
                      1. oldseaman1957
                        oldseaman1957 10 January 2018 01: 18
                        +4
                        Quote: businessv
                        ... but the second person in the state, together with his cabinet, is high time!
                        - Right! This is not about Grudinin, but about liberal lawlessness, which ruins all attempts of Russia to become a mighty power and improve the life of a poor part of Russians. And if the GDP does not understand this, then the price to all its "great" body movements is worthless.
                      2. Elena Khazova
                        Elena Khazova 10 January 2018 12: 14
                        +7
                        He does not have a state farm.
                        AT HIS CJSC.
                        In his CJSC - NOT AT ALL agricultural.
                        HE is a capitalist. Usual. Moscow. Paid from abroad.

                        LEN
                      3. Svetlana
                        Svetlana 10 January 2018 14: 40
                        +5
                        Quote: businessv
                        It will not be possible to change the horse at the crossing
                        Where is she crossing? Presidential elections are not a crossing, but an opportunity to get it. Otherwise, the point then is generally in the elections?
                    5. Pancho
                      Pancho 11 January 2018 19: 58
                      +2
                      Quote: To be or not to be
                      The horses at the crossing do not change "

                      It’s time to change the coachman!
            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 11: 32
              +9
              Quote: novel xnumx
              Yes, we already had one farmer, something I do not want anymore!

              If you are talking about Gorbachev, he was an agricultural farmer only at school - and so is a party functionary all his life!
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 9 January 2018 13: 53
                10
                He was talking about the “maize” Nikita Sergeevich. hi
                1. Stirbjorn
                  Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 14: 10
                  +7
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  He was talking about the “maize” Nikita Sergeevich. hi

                  So he is a miner! I would be a collective farmer, you look, and I didn’t wonder with corn hi
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 9 January 2018 15: 17
                    +5
                    So he got it in agriculture, as in that tale of a shoemaker and a pastry-maker. hi No matter how it happens again.
            3. free
              free 12 January 2018 12: 51
              +3
              so right now paradise is in Russia, did you mean to say that? don’t be shy!
          2. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 9 January 2018 09: 44
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            Captain Today, 09: 39 ↑
            You have a red flag, and oppose the Communists.
            If they took the work and read my comments a little, they would know that I AM FOR COMMUNISTS. That's just from Grudinin and Zyuganov the same communists as from shit candy.
            For me, the ideal communist is Comrade Stalin!
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 9 January 2018 09: 54
              +6
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Captain Today, 09: 39 ↑
              You have a red flag, and oppose the Communists.
              If they took the work and read my comments a little, they would know that I AM FOR COMMUNISTS. That's just from Grudinin and Zyuganov the same communists as from shit candy.
              For me, the ideal communist is Comrade Stalin!

              Dear Varangian, I applaud! hi
            2. You Vlad
              You Vlad 9 January 2018 10: 09
              11
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              For me, the ideal communist is Comrade Stalin!

              I respect, it’s good when people have a good memory hi
            3. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 9 January 2018 14: 45
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              Quote: Varyag_0711
              For me, the ideal communist is Comrade Stalin!

              I read your comments and I think that your ideal is liberal Putin.
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 9 January 2018 14: 55
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                Stroporez Today, 14:45 ↑
                I read your comments and I think that your ideal is liberal Putin.
                You personally can think what you want. Love for the USSR, Comrade Stalin and the communist ideals does not make me blind and, unlike you, I do not throw empty and meaningless slogans. The situation must be analyzed, understood at what time and in what realities you live, and not put up your Wishlist, as a great blessing for the country.
                In the realities of modern Russia, there is no alternative to Putin yet. Any attempt to conduct a revolution from below will lead to a new civil war with unpredictable results. If you do not understand this, then to put it mildly, you are not an intelligent person, but if you understand, then you are a provocateur and are no different from liberalism, which wants the collapse and ruin of Russia.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 9 January 2018 15: 35
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                  Love for the USSR, Comrade Stalin and the Communist ideals
                  and right there
                  there is no alternative to modern Russia to Putin
                  your Putin liberal is not necessary here to share it and some mythical liberalism. Tell me what the protege of the oligarchs Putin did for the people?
                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 9 January 2018 15: 39
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                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  In the realities of modern Russia, there is no alternative to Putin yet.

                  Did you conclude from the fact that his west is kicking? laughing laughing Does it hoot?
                  I can’t give you those words that drove yesterday in a queue at a gas station addressed to your pet.
                  And I will give you the words of a very famous person Professor S.P. Kapitsa .:
                  “The data of VTsIOM indicate that we have finally come to what we have been striving for all these 15 years,” they educated the country of idiots. If Russia continues to pursue the same course, then another ten years from now there will not be those who today even at least occasionally pick up a book. And we will get a country that will be easier to rule, which will be easier to drain the natural resources. But this country has no future! It was these words that I uttered five years ago at a government meeting. Time passes, and the processes that lead to the degradation of the nation, no one even tries to understand and suspend. "
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  The situation must be analyzed, understood.

                  Well, apparently, you are Mr. "analyzer", now you have the fullness of knowledge and information? what
                  The current regime leads the country to complete collapse, argue, if there is a desire, I have a desire to prove obvious things to you, no. hi
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 10 January 2018 08: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    “The data of VTsIOM indicate that we have finally come to what we have been striving for all these 15 years,” they educated the country of idiots.

                    Well, he said this from a survey that 35% of Russians do not read books! Dear sling cutter, well, how can I exactly to deduce such a figure? all Russians ask ... Was selective poll..
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 10 January 2018 09: 14
                      +7
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      Well, he said this from a poll that 35% of Russians do not read books!

                      Greetings, colleague! hi
                      In this sense, you can quote another very famous person.
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 10 January 2018 09: 23
                        +3
                        But education and medicine are free of charge and utilities are stalled, although they strive to break free! I agree that somewhere you have to pay extra if you want quality .. But it always has been repeatWell, you know that God forbid to go to a hospital in the same states without insurance, you’ll end up without underpants and you still have to ...
                      2. Sterkh
                        Sterkh 11 January 2018 16: 28
                        +3
                        Do you (sling cutter) live by someone's "analysis" or your own life? When GDP began to rule, has your life personally become better or worse? I personally will say to myself and the people around me that it has become better, of course it has become much harder in many ways, but in general, people have begun to live better. Not all, unfortunately. You have to plow, you can’t get anywhere. And what Putin has done for Russia is obvious. Not everything is good with us, there is something to strive for, none of us like the social stratification of our once-monolithic Soviet society, but after the destruction of the Union they got up at least from their knees and did not fly further into the abyss. Or have you probably completely forgotten the 90s? Judging by the dissatisfied posts - many either forgot or because of their youth they do not know. I have a work colleague on a business trip, young, 28 years old. So he cherished Putin and his entourage, with such pressure and enthusiasm about the last 18 years rubbed me .. And later, when I calmed down, I asked him questions about the history of our country - and he swims, hell don’t know anything, nor about the revolution, nor about the war, generally zero. And has a higher education (technical). And of course, his life - a vivid example of a man sawing a bitch on which he sits - does not starve (and did not starve), has housing (albeit a mortgage), has a car, drives to the sea ... But no -
                        he needs justice, he thinks about the people! About injustice! Each new generation is weaker than the previous ones. The old people still told us - you do not know hunger ... snickering ... But you, dissatisfied with your life, look like an old woman from Pushkin's fairy tale. Serve you all right away and on a silver platter.
                3. Konstantin Yu
                  Konstantin Yu 10 January 2018 11: 29
                  +4
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  then you are a provocateur and are no different from liberalism, wanting the collapse and ruin of Russia.

                  And you did not write denunciations to "enemies of the people" at 36? Tempering is felt ...
                  Do not make yourself an idol-idol .. Each idol has a different side, the question is: what is more good for Russia. Putin had time and he was able to, what he could, thanks, but: who will correct the failures in education, culture, industry, science ... Maybe it can be done better by another, and the GDP will leave his hobby-diplomacy and defense. And then he himself can not part with the bad company of ministers .. or does not want to.
              2. woron333444
                woron333444 10 January 2018 12: 52
                +2
                The leader of the Left Front, Sergey Udaltsov, nominated a prominent businessman Grudinin as a candidate from the Communist Party for intra-party primaries. The leadership of the campaign headquarters of Grudinin includes Sergey Udaltsov and member of the Left Front council Leonid Razvozzhaev. During the investigation and trial of Udaltsov, Razvozzhaev and other persons involved in the so-called “swamp business”, the US State Department, represented by the US ambassador to Russia, expressed deep concern about these processes.
                Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2018/01/06/maykl-makf
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            4. Gardamir
              Gardamir 9 January 2018 15: 32
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              For me, the ideal communist is Comrade Stalin!
              It’s more like your ideal, Mr. Putin, who is feeding the oligarchs.
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 9 January 2018 15: 54
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                Gardamir Today, 15:32 ↑
                It’s more like your ideal, Mr. Putin, who is feeding the oligarchs.
                I get the impression that you and Stroporez have the same face, painfully the slogans you have are the same, the style is like a carbon paper, and the intellect is no different. This is the first.
                And secondly, whoever comes to power will dance to the tune of the oligarchs. If you think that it will be otherwise and the same Grudinin will come and disperse all the oligarchs, return the bowels of the country, and the factories and workers, then you are either round fool , or the same provocateur as Stroporez.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 9 January 2018 16: 11
                  16
                  and intelligence is no different.
                  Thank you appreciated.
                  Grudinin will come and disperse all the oligarchs
                  it seems you yourself fool For starters, it’s enough that Grudinin will return the progressive tax, which was canceled by the oligarch defender Putin.
                  As for the different isms. I remember China 50 years ago Poverty and what do we have now? And again, Grudinin is not talking about change, but about trying to abandon Putin's liberalism and take the experience of China.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 9 January 2018 18: 27
                    +6
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    And again, Grudinin is not talking about change, but about trying to abandon Putin's liberalism and take the experience of China.
                    - read the program of the Communist Party — there is NO word about the experience of China — it clearly says:
                    "The third stage. Its content will be energetic work on the final formation of socialist social relations, ensuring the sustainable development of the socialist system on its own basis. Social forms of ownership of fixed assets will become dominant. As level increases the real socialization of labor and production their decisive role in the economy will gradually be established. "
                    After that, Grudinin can say anything - the question is: will the Communist Party, with the billionaire at its head, fulfill Its a program?
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 9 January 2018 18: 43
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                      read the program of the Communist Party
                      Grudinin, this is not only the Communist Party but also the left front. And then the desire of the Communist Party, to arrange a new redistribution with the wrong hands, to put it mildly, is not welcome.
                      At the end of the 80s, three of us worked, saying what kind of socialism this is and how good it is under market socialism. Note about capitalism then no one spoke, and now they are shy, people are being bred with various pseudo-socialist slogans. And who will believe that the Communists from the first day will begin nationalization. Stupid just do not come up with anything.
                      1. Sergey Cojocari
                        Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 20: 03
                        +5
                        If elections were being held for whom did you vote?
                        Total participants: 46135
                        18 530 - Grudinin P.N.
                        24 247 - Putin V.V.
                        3 358 - Another candidate


                        Results, at this hour vote in Classmates.
                      2. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 10 January 2018 01: 36
                        +3
                        At the end of the 80s, three of us worked, saying what kind of socialism is this

                        And you Leonid again decided to step on the same rake. Choose a new one and in a year we will live like adversaries? This will not happen - with a new broom in power there will be a mess in the country. Admire the states after the election of the next president. The first term is self-affirmation, the second is "sleeveless" work. Do you want that?
                  2. Sterkh
                    Sterkh 11 January 2018 16: 39
                    +2
                    From what ceiling do you think that your Grudinin will do something for the country? You just listen to his speeches - a typical populist wrapped in a Communist wrapper. Or forgot in the 90s how many such crooks the country taxied? Read about his CJSC State Farm named after Lenin, about how the state farm wanted to squeeze him out and what came of it (both Luzhkov and Sobyanin personally apologized to Grudinin). Do you understand at least - who is roofing your Grudinin ??? What are the possibilities of his roofers?
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 11 January 2018 17: 15
                      +4
                      your grudinin
                      What did your Putin do for the country? It is obvious to me that they finally knelt if the country could not go to the Olympics. If the country is ruled by koliizurengoy, if they are seriously discussing questions about the abolition of pensions ...
                      1. Sterkh
                        Sterkh 11 January 2018 18: 05
                        +2
                        It’s obvious to me that with the advent of Putin they began to live better - ask someone older than yourself how you lived before Putin, you are most likely young and have no idea how the vast majority lived in the 90s. If you remember, then your brain is not in order, or you are full .... Nobody canceled pensions, Putin sent your Reichstag to your koluizurengoy? Yes, hell with two! And why did you decide that kolyizurengoy rules the country? Personally, I (and the overwhelming majority) do not give a damn about the Olympics, people don’t need big sport, I need mass sport, not the spectacles of modern gladiators. Learn the history of your country, and do not throw populist slogans designed for suckers.
                    2. businessv
                      businessv 12 January 2018 17: 14
                      0
                      Duc has already been written about what we not only think: we will choose Putin, “our” Grudinin will be his prime minister, who will no longer be engaged in populism - plowing is not sown! And there it will be seen who Rabinovich is to whom! Why break spears ?! And I don’t see anything bad in a socially oriented country, free education and medicine. By the way, “our” Grudinin, although a billionaire, take a look at what salaries are in his company. I understand that I would like it to be a state farm, but not socialism in the yard, it is impossible to call it that today. Although the matter is not in the name, but in the fact that in this company medicine and education are "free" today, i.e. due to ZAO. And as for Grudinin, 42% of the shares, I don’t see anything bad either. Who wants to work, build and get nothing for it? I do not share Varyag’s enthusiasm for Comrade Stalin because my relatives were deprived of good housing and a good economy during the repression of the German Republic in 1942, but these are personal preferences, although it is difficult to imagine a modern leader who would not have acquired at least private housing at the expense of the state . Comrade Stalin had nothing! It certainly deserves respect.
              2. perm23
                perm23 12 January 2018 13: 12
                +1
                Sorry but do you really think that the merchant Grudinin will not have friends of the oligarchs. He will also bring his friends and feed them. Maybe stop believing in fairy tales and Lenya Golubkov
            5. Stas157
              Stas157 9 January 2018 18: 14
              11
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              If they took the work and read my comments a little, they would know that I AM FOR COMMUNISTS. That's just from Grudinin and Zyuganov the same communists as from shit candy.

              So what kind of communist are you? You are merging Putin’s supporters! Of you, a communist, as of ... candy.
              1. Sterkh
                Sterkh 11 January 2018 18: 17
                +2
                My grandfather joined the Bolshevik Communist Party at 42m, and he, unlike the non-partisan, had one privilege - he was among the first to raise fighters on the attack. Then there were the Communists, or rather the Bolsheviks. The communists of those times, and the present (since the 70s, when the mass of crooks joined the CPSU), this is heaven and earth! Where was Zyuganov at 91m when the flag was torn from the Kremlin? Why didn’t lay bones in defense of the Union? And your Grudinin is a fat snickering parasite! So do not make nonsense. It’s ridiculous.
          3. vlad66
            vlad66 9 January 2018 09: 57
            17
            Quote: captain
            The milkmaid (combiner) corrected by the state,

            And where is the state? repeatalso entrusted the Empire to once control the king to the liberal and where is that Empire laughing But there are no communists now, social liberals and democrats, the sect of Grudinin’s lovers will certainly howl. But Pavlik, an ordinary doll in someone’s hands, will sit on the throne and puff out his cheeks and that’s all. laughing
          4. 97110
            97110 9 January 2018 11: 22
            14
            Quote: captain
            but oppose the communists.

            Mr. Grudinin, first of all, is not a member, and he carefully pedals this situation. Secondly, he is not the chairman of the collective farm at all, but a major shareholder in a closed joint-stock company, which uses a quasi-communist name for public relations purposes. It’s quite a bourgeois figure, suitable for taking the post of president of the bourgeois state ... And what foreign policy does not understand, so consultants from abroad to hire. For the slow-witted presidents, there are them at the CIA ...
            1. Sergey Horuzhik
              Sergey Horuzhik 9 January 2018 12: 00
              +2
              Apparently, the sternum is not a member, but the brain of the Communist Party.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2018 21: 24
                +2
                And then they decided to combine membership with the brain.

                The modern Communist Party is a bourgeois party covering up with socialist programs. This is like the CPSU sample 80-90x.
                1. woron333444
                  woron333444 10 January 2018 12: 55
                  +1
                  The fastest way to move the brain into a member
            2. Tatanka Yotanka
              Tatanka Yotanka 9 January 2018 13: 41
              12
              Quote: 97110
              And what he does not understand in foreign policy is to hire consultants from abroad.

              whom Medvedev interestingly hired? to whom is it convenient? who from year to year remains satisfied with him and his team publicly, to admit that he was the locum tenens means to admit that any election is a farce, then what to discuss here, and many forgot how our political bureaucrats wrote boiling water from Trump’s victory and congratulatory odes tweeted, this is the topic of McFaul-Grudinin
          5. Sergey Horuzhik
            Sergey Horuzhik 9 January 2018 11: 58
            +3
            you, captain, are stunned. What is the chairman of the collective farm? He is not even the director of the state farm, he is a gesheftmacher.
          6. Sergey Horuzhik
            Sergey Horuzhik 9 January 2018 11: 59
            0
            By the way, who do you mean by a combiner? Not a Gorbachev?
            1. Svist
              Svist 9 January 2018 20: 45
              +3
              Quote: Sergey Horuzhyk
              By the way, who do you mean by a combiner? Not a Gorbachev?

              Gorbachev worked as an assistant to the combiner kid, and even awarded the order
              Labor Red Banner.
          7. weksha50
            weksha50 9 January 2018 20: 30
            +6
            Quote: captain
            The milkmaid (combiner) corrected by the state, let the collective farm chairman steer.


            Well, does the neighbors steer? hi
          8. Elena Khazova
            Elena Khazova 10 January 2018 12: 10
            +5
            Are you overheated? He has a closed joint stock company, closed joint stock company - NOT a “state farm” and NOT “Lenin”.
            ZAO with him, in which he owns 40%. He is a CAPITALIST, he is a bourgeois, in communist terminology.
            He is promoted by the same group in which Boldyrev, who was engaged in the collapse of the USSR and the return to thieves because of a cordon of USSR assets.
            He is a thief and a liar.
            He screams about "I built a school" - and the school is built on budget money. And it would not hurt to check how many of them went to the left.
            He has a square meter of an exponential strawberry field in order to have reason to sell imported for his own, a bunch of leased lands of very expensive land near Moscow, neither a cow, nor a calf, nor wheat, nor cabbage. He is to agricultural - DOES NOT have the slightest relationship.
            From the word AT ALL.
            It is much worse than ala EBN. How many suckers will you celebrate? or suicides?

            LEN
            1. GUGA
              GUGA 12 January 2018 13: 48
              +1
              Was a year ago at his farm. I saw two bodies of 250 heads of dairy cows. The farm is robotic. Milk of very high quality - handed over to cheese makers. They wanted to purchase equipment for the production of cheese themselves. Having milk of this quality, it’s foolish to give it to someone. According to milknews this year, they bought it.
              His farm is known to any farmer across the country. So do not lie here.
            2. businessv
              businessv 12 January 2018 17: 23
              0
              Elena Khazova, you, by the hour, are not a misfire ?! wink I was there a couple of years ago, everything was in place! Really dragged ?! lol love You are clever!
          9. Foxmara
            Foxmara 10 January 2018 12: 53
            +2
            Quote: captain
            You have a red flag, and oppose the Communists.

            The current communists are not the old ones. Just count how many millionaires and billionaires are there and the question of communism and communists can be closed.
          10. perm23
            perm23 12 January 2018 12: 58
            +2
            he is not a collective farmer but a trader. So he could work like that on a state farm somewhere in Siberia or in our Urals. and so near Moscow, selling and leasing land.
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 9 January 2018 09: 58
          55
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Well, at least some things are visible behind Putin, but what is Grudinin’s acre PR?
          You compare the person who has been in power for 18 years and the person who only wants to compete for power. And let's compare Putin from the late 90s and modern Grudinin. Behind Grudinin, an enterprise successfully operating under the conditions of Russian wild capitalism. What about Putin? Carrying a briefcase for Sobchak? Putin was literally dragged up at the right time, he jumped from one high position to another. What real things, for example, did he have when he was working in the Sobchak administration?
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          And in foreign policy, he is zero without a wand.
          Looking at the numerous Russian failures in foreign policy, I see no reason to applaud Putin here.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 10: 10
            27
            Quote: Greenwood
            Behind Grudinin, an enterprise successfully functioning in the conditions of Russian wild capitalism


            Behind Grudinin, the Potemkin village, it is not clear what money was built (just don’t need about strawberries, ogs).
            Also "behind Grudinim" ... Michael McFaul, who is fondly loving him, who, as you know, sincerely wishes Russia all the very best:

            And this is just what lies on the surface yes
            1. Romey
              Romey 9 January 2018 19: 44
              13
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: Greenwood
              Behind Grudinin, an enterprise successfully functioning in the conditions of Russian wild capitalism


              Behind Grudinin, the Potemkin village, it is not clear what money was built (just don’t need about strawberries, ogs).
              Also "behind Grudinim" ... Michael McFaul, who is fondly loving him, who, as you know, sincerely wishes Russia all the very best:

              And this is just what lies on the surface yes

              But to analyze what money the yachts, real estate and offshore accounts of Vekselberg, Abramovich, Aven, Deripaska, Kerimov, Usmanov and many other close associates of the “patriot” president have no desire? And where is the bunch of mcfol and grudinin? Give out turnouts and passwords .... In general, the old song began: who is not for Putin's rat-hatchling - that agent of the State Department. The fiery Stalinist communists who are especially touched by the soul and body for the most rotten, misanthropic and terry Russophobic form of capitalism - neo-feudalism with a zakos under China in the early 20th century. Well, let's still tolerate a couple of years and we will see the domestic version of the boxing uprising and the Xinghai revolution. We, patriots, do not need this regardless of ideological preferences. But you gentlemen supporters of Putin's compradorism seem very impatient. Well, which of us are agents of the State Department?
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 10 January 2018 01: 49
                +5
                You. You and you again. "We will destroy the old World to the ground, and then ..." Passed and remember. Just started to recover, so again you need "everything to the bottom." First, take the trouble to build at least something, and then tear it down. We got already innovative ideas with our ideas, when we still couldn’t understand the legacy of the Union, but you still use it. Not a single one of your proteges will bring in anything, no better than Putin, only "move into the topic" - he needs time, but he is just sorely lacking. Your Grudinin did not even manage the province, and you dream that in a year he will raise Russia as his state farm. Well, dream on. IMHO.
                1. Romey
                  Romey 10 January 2018 06: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  You. You and you again. "We will destroy the old World to the ground, and then ..." Passed and remember. .

                  Of course, everyone who is against compradorism personally pays Obama the Bibizyan ...
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Just started to recover, so again you need "everything to the bottom." First, take the trouble to build at least something, and then tear it down. .

                  Restore?! Where? What did they begin to restore there? Just take forestry ... Strategic industry seems to be, but nothing but the collapse of chaos. What did you build here, besides all kinds of funky things like Sochi stadiums, zenith arenas and Crimean bridges? But nothing ... The rest is the plastered remains of Soviet heritage that will certainly be consumed in the near future ...
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Not a single one of your proteges will bring in anything, no better than Putin, only "move to the topic" - he needs time, and he just is sorely lacking. Your Grudinin did not even manage the province, and you dream that in a year he will raise Russia as his state farm. Well, dream on. IMHO.

                  Of course, no one will bring in anything new. Grudinin is not Putin, and in his program there will not be all kinds of “innovative” and “digital” economies that your sacred person broadcasts along with his thieving camarilla ... Well, yes, about the time that is really catastrophically lacking to correct all jambs of the Yeltsin-Putin system. Each month of Putin’s stay in power, together with his rotten liberal government and parliament, brings the country closer to an imminent disaster.
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 10 January 2018 12: 22
                    +4
                    And you want to make the kayaker athlete the commander of a missile cruiser as an experiment. The catastrophe in this case will happen much earlier. Digital technologies do not suit you, so why do you use a computer and the Internet? Let's do it the old way - scores with knuckles and a phone with a typesetter. And let's see how the economy "steps by leaps and bounds." I also don’t like much in the modern structure of the Russian Federation, but that doesn’t mean that we must again make a mess in the country with the destruction of power. It was already in the 90s. Thanks, have seen enough.
              2. Foxmara
                Foxmara 10 January 2018 13: 15
                +1
                Quote: romey
                But to analyze what money the yachts, real estate and offshore accounts of Vekselberg, Abramovich, Aven, Deripaska, Kerimov, Usmanov and many other close associates of the “patriot” president have no desire?

                So Putin is not a communist .. warm and soft ..?
                Quote: romey
                who is not for Putin's rat

                Very witty .. it could have been if it hadn't been stupid. Here (and not only here) the majority is for Putin and you "boldly" spit in the face of these people. What are you counting on?
                "the hatred and terry Russophobic form of capitalism - neo-feudalism"
                God, why not add to this fascism? Well really, what's the difference?
                Quote: romey
                We patriots

                laughing
                What is your patriotism manifested in? In support of the oligarch?
                Can you answer for him, where did the difference with the sale of farm land to Crocus go? They sold for 1500 bucks per hundred square meters, and the real value is under 100 of the same evergreens. 000 dollars have gone somewhere .. No, no, not a thief of course laughing
                Or trade in genomically modified strawberries under the brand name of a state farm named after Lenin? And the methods of gathering, deceiving workers (not exhibition peasants), gray schemes, etc. allow us to make the assumption that in case of victory, this non-communist will lease all of Russia.
                https://versia.ru/obrazcovo-pokazatelnoe-selxozpr
                edpriyatie-rasplatilos-s-rabotnikami-klubnikoj-a-
                ne-dengami
                1. Romey
                  Romey 10 January 2018 15: 56
                  +2
                  What a beautiful and clear departure from answering the questions posed. Bravo, you have surpassed your great Teacher ... But it’s not logical, as supporters of the oligarchy, to impute the oligarchy to anyone who threatens to break it. Where is the logic? Or have you completely lost the coast and are used to keeping people for fools? And sorry things, I'm used to calling them by their proper names. If Putin’s system of neo-feudalism, he should be described as such. If his entourage is entirely thieves and traitors, you can’t call it a rat-dog. If his policies, both external and internal, have completely failed and the country is slipping with increasing speed downhill in the total economic and political crisis, then what should be called if not mediocre and, moreover, criminal? You Putinists, too, are not shy in expressions. And, they say, the majority of supporters of the oligarchy here are deeply mistaken judging by the likes of the posts of opponents of Yeltsinism-Putinism. And, as for all this lie in the last paragraph, I will not bother myself with a discussion with those who see a speck in the human eye, do not notice the logs in their eyes. Yes, and useless. Better to let Solntseliky himself come out to debate and put the arrogant oligarch Grudinin with his gang of State Department agents in place. But you won’t wait. Suddenly it turns out that this is not the Nanogeny of the Present, but just a moth from the Sobchak environment. pulled into the light of God B.A. Berezovsky?
                  1. Foxmara
                    Foxmara 11 January 2018 13: 47
                    +3
                    Quote: romey
                    But it’s not logical, as supporters of the oligarchy, to impute the oligarchy to the one who threatens to break it. Where is the logic?

                    Threatening and breaking are two different things. So far, he is a real oligarch. With exhibition peasants and several scandals over business schemes. Gray schemes, laborers, forgery - all this is. Well, why should I believe him?
                    Quote: romey
                    If the Putin system is neo-feudalism

                    You can call it whatever you like. The fact of the friend is that Putin managed the impossible - to collect a crumbling country, pay off IMF debts, rebuild the army, restore most of the military-industrial complex, move foreigners away from the bowels, start paying pensions and salaries, and start breaking up the unipolar system. During the same time, Grudinin distinguished himself by earning funds for himself personally, see the beginning of the post.
                    There are no questions at all about the president’s foreign policy. Well, you write there that you do not like, we will analyze. To the inside - there are two camps, one is dissatisfied with the fact that he is not Stalin, the others that he is Stalin. He really is not Stalin, he uses the energy of the enemy, not a revolutionary, evolutionist, an excellent negotiator. Grudinin does not have all this at all. It will be eaten maximum six months later or after it, Putin’s “dictatorship” will seem like a paradise.
                    Quote: romey
                    economic and political crisis

                    2,5% inflation. Gold reserves are growing. The country, meanwhile, under sanctions, was able to take first place in the world in wheat exports, and instead of importing pork, it began to export it. Yes, I heard it on the radio just half an hour ago - the largest bank in America announced that Russia is the best-looking country for investors. Rates on loans are reduced. Do you live in any other country? We have neighbors - they are ideal for your description. country Ukraine - "the country is sliding at an increasing rate downhill in a total economic and political crisis" winked
              3. perm23
                perm23 12 January 2018 13: 01
                0
                and what can you prove that there is something dishonest. And here are approximate. faces. and that Grudinin has no close associates. Sorry market economy. privatization Gaidar affairs and Yeltsin. and you showed the bunch yourself. speaking for him.
              4. perm23
                perm23 12 January 2018 13: 14
                0
                on privatization, they are built on the reforms of Gaidar and Yeltsin.
          2. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 9 January 2018 10: 10
            24
            Greenwood Today, 09:58 ↑
            Looking at the numerous Russian failures in foreign policy, I see no reason to applaud Putin here.
            Well, it depends on which belfry to watch. For me personally, there is only one criterion: the West praises the president or scolds. The fact that the West infuriates Putin is not a secret for anyone, they want to see anyone from Medvedev to Grudinin as president, if only they wouldn’t be Putin, which means Putin is doing everything right, at least I’m not ashamed of the president’s foreign policy (except for the cant with the olympiad). But in the internal affairs it’s full of seams, here it’s really a disaster.
            But, as they say, only cats will be born quickly.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 9 January 2018 10: 19
              32
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              For me personally, there is only one criterion: the West praises the president or scolds.
              This is some kind of childish approach, don’t find it. Many also praised Putin during his first term, and with Bush, Schroeder, Chirac and Berlusconi, they were almost best friends. What does this prove?
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              if only not for Putin, which means Putin is doing everything right
              Similarly, a childish approach.
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              the president’s foreign policy is not ashamed
              There is more PR there than real politics. The indistinct balancing between the West and the East is like a weather vane, howls about “partners” and “investments”.
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              But in the internal affairs it’s full of seams, here it’s really a disaster.
              It always seemed to me that we should first deal with domestic politics. Having a strong rear, you can count on respect on the world stage.
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              But, as they say, only cats will be born quickly.
              18 years old are already born, still not born.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 10: 36
                18
                Quote: Greenwood
                It always seemed to me that we should first deal with domestic politics

                Exactly.
                First you need to fill the belly, and then strengthen the walls of the house. For the remaining funds. If they stay.
                Go ahead. At home please fellow
                Quote: Greenwood
                Having a strong rear ...

                A strong rear for the Russian Federation is not a thick fat ass, but a well-equipped and trained army, first of all.
                With such a rear really
                Quote: Greenwood
                you can count on respect on the world stage

                Just easy yes
                1. MrK
                  MrK 9 January 2018 11: 32
                  35
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  A strong rear for the Russian Federation is not a thick fat ass, but a well-equipped and trained army, first of all.

                  A strong rear for the Russian Federation is a powerful economy. Because, wars are not waged by armies, but by economies of countries with the help of armies.
                  Russian economy, where are you, huh?
                  1. raw174
                    raw174 9 January 2018 12: 48
                    +9
                    I squeeze a little bit into the conversation hi
                    Quote: mrark
                    Because, wars are not waged by armies, but by economies of countries with the help of armies.

                    The USSR economy was much more powerful than Germany? Did the US quickly trample Vietnam with its economy? And they pressed Afghanistan to the nail (although it may not really want to, but nonetheless)? Something Israel Arabs also can not disperse, although the economy is rather big, and how are the Saudis fighting there?
                    The economy is important, but the army, the mob-resource and cheap technologies still win the war. We have all of this for today.
                    And on the topic I repeat: Grudinin is too dark a horse, and you don’t need to make a talented manager out of him to establish production near a big city, you do not need seven spans, so I’ll set it up in the Kuril Islands)))
                    1. Sergey Cojocari
                      Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 13: 54
                      22
                      And send Medvedev there, I would like to see his managerial genius. Or the same Putin after his resignation. He raised Russia from its knees, let it be raised by the overwhelming state farm in the Non-Black Earth region.
                      1. raw174
                        raw174 9 January 2018 14: 00
                        +8
                        Quote: Sergey Cojokar
                        And send Medvedev there

                        I'll think about it what laughing
                        Quote: Sergey Cojokar
                        He raised Russia from his knees

                        Actually, YES. Compare Russia in 1998 and 2018, there is clearly progress, and in all areas. Maybe, of course, it could have worked better, but Putin’s time was definitely not in vain!
                      2. woron333444
                        woron333444 9 January 2018 14: 33
                        +4
                        Sergey Cojocari Grudinin is also not on the black earth, but almost in the center of Moscow. And the state farm is not supported by agriculture, but by selling land for elite housing and a pair of car centers, where ten times more people work than on the state farm.
                    2. Stirbjorn
                      Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 14: 36
                      +5
                      Quote: raw174
                      The USSR economy was much more powerful than Germany?
                      it’s more powerful - compare the number of tanks, planes and guns released, on either side. Even von Mellentin wrote that Soviet tank factories nullified all the victories of the Wehrmacht in 41m. And Afghanistan was a guerrilla war, there the economy is secondary, a limited contingent of troops from the Yankees fought in Vietnam + supply difficulties due to remoteness of communications
                      1. raw174
                        raw174 9 January 2018 14: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: Stirbjorn
                        Compare the number of tanks, planes and guns fired, on either side. Even von Mellentin wrote that Soviet tank factories nullified all the victories of the Wehrmacht in 41m.

                        Finished defense products factories are also not quite economics; in any case, the economies of peacetime do not reflect the economy of military rails.
                        Quote: Stirbjorn
                        And Afghanistan had a guerrilla war, there the economy is secondary

                        Was and is, I meant American actions there now.

                        Quote: Stirbjorn
                        limited contingent of troops from the Yankees fought in Vietnam + supply difficulties due to remoteness of communications

                        Nevertheless, the goals were not achieved, and the state economy was already unmatched by more rivals then ...
                    3. MrK
                      MrK 9 January 2018 21: 26
                      +8
                      Quote: raw174
                      and you don’t need to make a talented manager out of him in order to establish production near a big city


                      One economist once said that if we randomly gather 20 people in our small towns and put them as ministers with Medvedev. then in the Russian Federation will not get worse. Managers, damn it.
                      Quote: raw174
                      Grudinin is too dark a horse

                      Himself, dear raw174, at least one plant or state farm raised? And to look for your skeleton in someone else’s closet, you don’t need a lot of mind.
                      1. raw174
                        raw174 10 January 2018 06: 25
                        +3
                        Quote: mrark
                        One economist once said that if we randomly gather 20 people in our small towns and put them as ministers with Medvedev. then in the Russian Federation will not get worse. Managers, damn it.

                        Some dubious expert said this ... If, in your opinion, all our ministers are so mediocre, how can Russia still not be bent? With tremendous external pressure ... Yes, there are problems, but much is solved! My wife and I decided to give birth to a third child, because there is a certain certainty in our state.
                        Quote: mrark
                        Itself, dear raw174, at least one plant or state farm raised?

                        No, I have a different profile ... I personally know a rather large agricultural manager, so his farm is an order of magnitude larger than the Grudininsky ones in terms of the area of ​​cultivated land and the number of workers, he processes the land in two regions, so I can judge, to some extent, about such managers.
                        Quote: mrark
                        And to look for your skeleton in someone else’s closet, you don’t need a lot of mind.

                        I'm not looking, I'm just guessing. I do not claim that Grudinin is bad and incompetent, I just say that he is too dark a horse, in other things, like Putin of the 1999 model ...
                  2. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 14: 16
                    11
                    Quote: mrark
                    ... wars are not waged by armies, but by economies with the help of armies

                    Tell it to Eun.
                    Quote: mrark
                    Russian economy, where are you, huh?

                    Blind let him see laughing
                    1. MrK
                      MrK 9 January 2018 21: 18
                      +9
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Blind let him see

                      That really is. Only the blind will see, and the deaf will hear. 43 000 manufacturing enterprises have been destroyed in the Russian Federation since 1993, of which 18 000 under our sun of nation. In my small town, only two factories have been eliminated in the last three years. Where 6 000 people worked.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 10 January 2018 01: 55
                        +1
                        And in my ALL textile industry died in the 90s. With the advent of Putin, industry has not recovered - well, there is no Uzbek cotton. But life is more or less adjusted. Regional center - I hope. Do not need to call?
                      2. raw174
                        raw174 10 January 2018 06: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: mrark
                        In my small town, only two plants have been eliminated in the last three years. Where 6 people worked.

                        And what is the profile of the enterprise? In general, they are bursting from the fact that they can’t withstand competition or their products have become unnecessary ... After all, the newly opened enterprises are also developing ... In Magnitogorsk, for example, MMK is doing well and Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant breathes, but Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant has passed significantly, however, competition ...
                2. 97110
                  97110 9 January 2018 11: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  A strong rear for the Russian Federation is not a thick fat ass, but a well-equipped and trained army, first of all.
                  With such a rear really

                  we can hope that, upon receipt of the right team, all Gelenda riders will receive sanctions that are not compatible with the management of exclusive cars ... And then the guard officers of the Russian Federation do not find the right rate ...
                3. albert
                  albert 9 January 2018 19: 47
                  13
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  A strong rear for the Russian Federation is not a thick fat ass, but a well-equipped and trained army, first of all.

                  The USSR army was a hundred times stronger, and it collapsed due to internal betrayal. The oligarchs ruling Russia can currently sell us if they would not touch their foreign estates and accounts. A strong rear for the country is the equality of the people in economic opportunities, not social stratification, which can result in anything, including a revolution, color or socialist.
                  1. udincev
                    udincev 9 January 2018 23: 19
                    +1
                    Quote: albert
                    The USSR army was a hundred times stronger, and it collapsed due to internal betrayal

                    ... skillfully organized and used by external enemies.
              2. vlad66
                vlad66 9 January 2018 10: 47
                +9
                Quote: Greenwood
                then some kind of childish approach, do not find. Many also praised Putin during his first term, and with Bush, Schroeder, Chirac and Berlusconi, they were almost best friends. What does this prove?

                It’s a childish approach laughing Do not find that history likes to repeat itself, during the time of Gorbachev, all of Russia chanted together-Yeltsin, Yeltsin, emptied the country, put Putin's Yelkin to take over after Stepashin (neither fish nor meat) and Putin's rating soared to heaven and lasts a long time, by the way, you are right to first term
                Quote: Greenwood
                Bush, Schroeder, Chirac and Berlusconi were almost their best friends.

                I don’t know with Bush, but now they are friends with the others. And Grudinin what a dark horse, which was recognized only last year and for some reason everyone thinks, since the Communist Party was nominated by the best candidate. And there was only a name left from the communist party, the communists were:
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                For me, the ideal communist is Comrade Stalin!

                Don’t just talk about the Lenin collective farm; on the surrender, not one fortune was knocked together in the suburbs of Moscow (not strawberries), some oligarchs will leave, others will come, only the essence will not change, well, the mattress mattresses will be happy, their dream come true to rob Russia.
                1. Sergey Cojocari
                  Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 11: 59
                  +4
                  Or maybe (neither fish nor meat) Stepashin, did not want to swear an oath to Yeltsin and swear an oath to Kashira?
                2. BigBoss
                  BigBoss 9 January 2018 14: 31
                  13
                  Dear, do not be too lazy to watch videos on YouTube with Grudinin, he participated in many forums long before the presidential nomination and pointed out the wrong actions of the government. He talks intelligibly and clearly.
                  And no one knew Putin either until Yeltsin put him on the prime minister’s post.
                3. Siban
                  Siban 9 January 2018 14: 48
                  14
                  Quote: vlad66
                  And Grudinin is a dark horse that was recognized only last year.
                  No darker than GDP when he was appointed prime minister. Putin then “jumped out of the box”, the majority of the Russian population knew nothing, but nevertheless this did not prevent him from being at the helm of the Russian Federation for 17 years.
                  By the way, a telling example of the unknown, at that time VV was that famous question "Who is mister Putin?" (Who is Mr. Putin?)
                  Quote: vlad66
                  at the surrender we were frozen in the suburbs of Moscow (and not on strawberries) more than one fortune
                  Again, there were many state farms around Moscow, but for some reason only the "red oligarch" managed to save such a successful enterpriserequest
                  At the surrender of the land, as you say, more than one fortune has been knocked together (which I can’t argue with), but you can show the same schools and kindergartens similar to those built by the "Jewish director"repeat?! But you could have a yacht, a fur store, a plane for a corgi, a watch like that of the Patriarch or a spokesperson you yourself know who ..
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 14: 52
                    +7
                    Quote: Siban
                    for some reason, only the "red oligarch" managed to keep such a successful enterprise

                    The roof is good wink
                    Quote: Siban
                    You can show the same schools and kindergartens, similar to those built by the "Jewish director"

                    No. The showcase should be attractive. The presence of other similar objects distracts from bait shop windows.
                    1. Siban
                      Siban 9 January 2018 15: 21
                      +4
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      The roof is goodwink

                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      statements can present? !!
                      or are you just following a stupid plan?
                      .
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      The presence of other similar objects distracts from the bait shop windows.
                      Throughout the post-Soviet space, there are such agricultural enterprises. Islands of the Soviet past. And everyone, as a rule, has one thing in common - the presence of a strong manager. This is the so-called "Red Director Building"
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 17: 13
                        +6
                        Quote: Siban
                        This is the so-called "Red Director Building"

                        And advertising is the engine of trade.

                        Well I say - Grudinin (TM).

                        Come, put things in order ...

                        Booooooooo ... request
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 9 January 2018 18: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Siban
                        This is the so-called "Red Director Building"
                        "Nothing much that passed over a year? What did those who were then 30 - now 60?"
                        And thirty years and then to serious positions were not particularly allowed ..
                        Died in its bulk for a long time the "Red Director Building" or a very age ........
            2. akendram
              akendram 9 January 2018 16: 14
              +9
              Putin of the 2000 model and Putin 2018 are different people. Such a long stay in power changes their outlook on life. Do not forget who Putin came to power and his gratitude will be until the end of his days. He directly stated that he wants to do it in the 6th term the course that was over 18 years of his power is irreversible. Do you want this? Calculate how much oil, gas, precious metals, forests have been exported to the West over the years and where is all this money? If all this put together in a heap a mountain the size of Lithuania would probably be .
            3. 406ppm2gv
              406ppm2gv 9 January 2018 20: 41
              0
              The fact that the West infuriates Putin is no secret to anyone, they want to see anyone from Medvedev to Grudinin as president if they wouldn’t just be Putin, which means Putin is doing everything right, You previously swore love for Stalin. Your deeds are wonderful.
            4. Svist
              Svist 9 January 2018 21: 12
              12
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              at least I’m not ashamed of the president’s foreign policy (though apart from the school with the Olympics). But in the internal affairs it’s full of seams, here it’s really a disaster

              So I also reasoned ... After all, the president must do something, give a shortcut to the completely insolent thieves! Not ... He is pleased with their work!
              So I’m disappointed and I’ll go to vote for Grudinin. He became interested in the people who make up his team, many worthy. I stumbled into YouTube: Speech by Lieutenant General V.I.Sobolev at the IX Congress of the Union of Soviet Officers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRU_B1J5MnE Impressive!
          3. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 9 January 2018 12: 35
            23
            Grudinin is a normal presidential candidate. And judging by the hysteria in the media, the authorities were already wary. But in vain. They will not choose. I already wrote that in our country the vast majority of the people always vote for the current government. And if Yeltsin had not appointed Putin in his time as acting, then Vladimir Vladimirovich would have no chance at the election.
            Grudinin’s only chance would be if on the New Year’s night the famous “I’m tired. I’m leaving ..” sounded. But New Year's Eve passed, a miracle did not happen.
          4. Elena Khazova
            Elena Khazova 10 January 2018 12: 17
            +3
            What is “looking” at? :)) "to failures" ... nda :)
            you are talking, the product isch, you are written in the training manual to say that "Putin is engaged in foreign policy to the detriment of domestic, but sternine ...". And you confused everything again. The curator will punish you, quickly correct yourself. :))

            LEN
          5. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 16: 45
            0
            He is a grabber and a crook, if you carefully study the possibilities of his roofers - you will sing another song.
          6. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 18: 20
            0
            Troll to you completely, dear. It’s not necessary to think that only boots have gathered here, who can hang pasta on their ears.
          7. skullcap
            skullcap 12 January 2018 13: 07
            +1
            Quote: Greenwood
            Behind Grudinin, an enterprise successfully functioning in the conditions of Russian wild capitalism

            Yet the main thing behind Grudinin is the CPRF.
            I will not say for all of Russia, but he will press Putin well in the Moscow region, although, of course, he will not win.
            The reason is the cancellation of the benefits of free travel of retired people in the Moscow transport. Many pensioners have children and grandchildren living in the capital. And retirement to them is often not a train - it hits hard on the wallet. I think it affects tens of thousands of people, if not more.
            But the main thing: people, in connection with the deprivation of this benefit, still feel a strong resentment and humiliation, because they worked all their lives for the common good of the whole country (including directly in Moscow, were awarded the medal "850 Moscow Years"), and he was treated like a squeezed lemon.
            The decision to cancel was taken by the regional Duma. There was only the Communist Party faction. The rest, including United Russia, voted in favor. At the same time, although the decision was made by the Duma, everyone believes that the governor of the region is behind him. And he is also a United Russia party, like Putin. The latter, in the opinion of the victims, could not be unaware of the affairs in the Moscow region - this is not some Tmutorokan, So the President was canceled with the tacit consent.
            Taking into account the fact that the privilege acted even during the years of the rule of the unloved Yeltsin, it is not clear why they canceled it now, when the GDP, according to statements from the TV, is growing vigorously.
            In general, on this basis, the majority of grannies intend to vote for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, which stands for the workers, which means for Grudinina.
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        4. AA17
          AA17 9 January 2018 10: 13
          32
          Dear Varyag_0711. Tell me, please, where did the respected GDP study for the presidency? As well as R. Reagan, etc. You are mistaken, speaking about P. Grudinin's PR. He is just doing his job well as the head of a state farm. In any case, P. Grudinin has more managerial experience than some “economists” and “lawyers”.
          P.S. Regarding "in foreign policy, he is zero without a wand." Each president in any country has analytical centers that prepare their analytical developments for any geopolitical changes. P. Grudinin will be president - analytical centers will work for him.
          1. 97110
            97110 9 January 2018 11: 39
            +4
            Quote: AA17
            He just does a good job as a leader

            Closed Joint-Stock Company "State Farm named after Lenin"
          2. Sergey Horuzhik
            Sergey Horuzhik 9 January 2018 12: 06
            +3
            absolute nonsense. And the difference is primarily in the status of the person himself. Or belonging to a particular caste. Putin belongs to the caste (varna) of warriors (kshatriyas), and sternum belongs to the caste (varna) of merchants-gesheftmakharams (vaisyas). And Russia in the first the turn is a military empire, not a trading one.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 15: 09
              13
              Quote: Sergey Horuzhyk
              absolute nonsense. And the difference is primarily in the status of the person himself. Or belonging to a particular caste. Putin belongs to the caste (varna) of warriors (kshatriyas), and sternum belongs to the caste (varna) of merchants-gesheftmakharams (vaisyas). And Russia in the first the turn is a military empire, not a trading one.
              Is this Putin a warrior ?! Where did he fight ?! The head of the club for officers in the provincial Dresden, far beyond the line of demarcation with NATO - they called such informers in the common people. Here, someone Balu claims that he was there with a gun, he waved the Germans away, during the collapse of the USSR, but did not give any evidence. And Grudinin, by the way, fought off 4 attempts at raider seizures of his state farm. In Russian conditions, worse than any military will be
              1. your1970
                your1970 9 January 2018 18: 37
                +3
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                And Grudinin, by the way, fought off 4 attempts at raider seizures of his state farm. In Russian conditions, worse than any military will be
                - breaking away from 4 waves of raiders in the 90s was possible in one single way - to find an impenetrable "roof". And it’s absolutely unimportant whose one she was - the police officer / prosecutorial / Lyubertsy / Moscow /
                Petersburg / Martianbelay - the main thing is that it be and be powerful. Other survival options in armed confrontation do not exist in nature
              2. Sterkh
                Sterkh 11 January 2018 18: 29
                +1
                Dear, are you joking over us? So he just dispersed the raiders with his mustache? Your Grudinin’s roof is steep, Luzhkov himself and later Sobyanin, when they tried to run over to Lenin State Farm CJSC, then apologized to Grudinin, even though this tells you something? No? And who is pushing him to the polls now (knowing in advance that he will lose, but will take away part of the votes from Putin) and spins around the world? I’ll make a small clue (on knowledge of the history of our country) - why didn’t I. Stalin put and shot Commissar Litvinov? Learn the story.
          3. Elena Khazova
            Elena Khazova 10 January 2018 12: 23
            +3
            IT DOES NOT have "managerial experience." He has a small and, on the scale of the country's economy, a tiny zak-zakka with a charter capital of less than 5 million. He has never served the country NEVER, he did not manage either the city or the region, not to mention the federal district.
            His experience is ZERO.
            In contrast to Putin - and experience in foreign policy - the sternum has NULL. Well, this is not counting the experience of conspiracy with the producers of Turkish and Greek strawberries on the subject of selling it, "as your own." Well, that is, the pretense and deception of the client.
            This experience is just what the liberties of all stripes are screaming about, “power”, that “she is so-and-so”.
            He is a small merchant and his level of thinking is NOT a statesman, namely, buy-sell.
            And he is eager for power - in order to bring him “buy-sell” to the level of the state.
            You were all sold out in the 90s and in front of them. Is that all - a habit of masochism, or paid work for the enemy?

            LEN
          4. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 16: 51
            0
            My friend - yes, I’m looking at a political strategist and in general an analyst on public administration! But judging by the likes of your masterpiece post - it is.
        5. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 9 January 2018 10: 31
          +6
          With the project "Chairman of the state farm named after Ilyich everything is clear" They awakened the Sleeping One - get up to work out ..
          It is not clear to the Communist Party?
          They are there in the leadership of the Communist Party that smoke?
          Union with whom? Union of the Communist Party and PDS NPSR .. However!
          And the nomination of a candidate from non-party parties says a lot. The leaders in the Communist Party are exhausted? Not only leader, but also faith in the affairs of this party ..
          Communist Party or go down in history .. or reborn, cleansed of its petty-bourgeois leadership
        6. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 9 January 2018 10: 39
          26
          DEM in its qualities, even the collective farm chairman does not even want to - and he was the prime minister and prezik ...
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 9 January 2018 11: 34
            +2
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            Anti-Anglosax Today, 10:39 ↑
            DEM in its qualities, even the collective farm chairman does not pull anything, and the premier was

            Maybe Russia doesn’t need a prime minister?
        7. MrK
          MrK 9 January 2018 11: 39
          26
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Well, at least some things are visible behind Putin, but what is Grudinin’s acre PR?


          The third time I am writing. Well, vote for Putin in March. Only then will you endure for another six years. And remember: problems suffered godfather oligarchs do not strain.
        8. White53
          White53 9 January 2018 14: 32
          12
          To all those who speak of the lack of large-scale experience with Grudinin. Tell me, what kind of economy did Putin manage, not counting the residency of officers and with an infinite budget at the expense of the country before the transfer of power to Yeltsin. The methodology for managing any team and the country is, in principle, the same. Here are important goals and ways to achieve them! I do not mind Putin, but I can’t understand his approaches to the leadership of Medvedev and Co., investing in Amerov securities, etc. !!!
          1. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 18: 45
            0
            Quote: White53
            I can not understand his approaches to the leadership of Medvedev and Co., investing in amerovsky securities, etc. !!!
            - Our country of Russia is an economic dwarf, Putin understood this from the very beginning, back in 99m, and could not and cannot do it now, the Washington Regional Committee from the beginning of the 90s controlled the situation in Russia by imposing a constitution and an oligarchic system. Therefore, Putin’s struggle is hidden, naturally he cannot speak openly about this from the rostrum. But as soon as the West saw the real beginning of the rise of the Russian Federation - they blew up Ukraine (and this is a very sensitive issue for us., We could not remain without Crimea (our security is from the south)), the West knew this and organized such a trap. But in another way. It is naive to believe that Putin is 100% ruled and rules the country, just as Stalin became a full-fledged ruler only at 41m. I advise you to read the answer to your question http://economicsandwe.com/5311CE9E9A56DBB9/
        9. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 9 January 2018 15: 01
          +6
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Well, at least some things are visible behind Putin, but what is Grudinin’s acre PR? I already wrote that being a good chairman of a state farm does not mean being a good president of Russia.

        10. Gardamir
          Gardamir 9 January 2018 15: 16
          16
          at least some things
          kolyizurengoy, raising taxes, selling oil assets to Qatar, buying treasuries (supporting a potential adversary), betraying athletes at the Olympics ... the continued impoverishment of the people and the enrichment of oligarchs.
        11. Gardamir
          Gardamir 9 January 2018 15: 29
          15
          a good chairman of a state farm, this does not mean to be a good president of Russia.
          Who was yours? At first he violated the oath, but instantly turned out to be the second person in Leningrad. They opened a criminal case, but the young lawyer Medvedev dismissed. In 1996, it turned out to be out of work, but smart people decided that such a talent should not be lost and dragged into power, rode up a step, and suddenly "... I'm tired, I'm leaving ..."
          There was no Internet then, everyone rejoiced, because he promised to wet the outhouses, but for some reason, everyone left the outhouse dry, and even Allah sends money.
          Don’t lie about experience at all, take the Sechins; they don’t need experience to assign wages for a million to them.
        12. akendram
          akendram 9 January 2018 15: 57
          +7
          but Putin had the same experience when he became president ... When Sobchak worked, he worked such a thing ...
        13. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 9 January 2018 18: 12
          14
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          To begin with, he would have to get experience at least by the ministry.

          What experience to get? Experience effectively ruining the remnants of the country's production?
          For your information:: From 2005 to 2017, 35000 enterprises closed in Russia. This number includes manufacturers, not traders.
          And how much during this time did Mr. Stability build factories and plants to replace the ditched ones? One? Two? And those "semi-private"?
          Production with a foreign and private owner is not taken into account. Or maybe the goal was and should not build factories, but to build stadiums and offices? After all, the merchants do not need plants; they need to sell, not produce. Production is dreary and complicated. Is production for the “unsuccessful" plebs?
        14. PANTELEIMON
          PANTELEIMON 9 January 2018 21: 12
          +2
          Yes, there is no doubt that the United States and its Euro-collective farm satellites will do everything to help the newly-minted communist capitalist to ruin the Russian Federation in the same way that they helped the Stalinist communists to ruin the Soviet Union! Grudinin is a very dangerous representative from the Zyuganov cohort, who went into the bank using this dark horse from the number of entrepreneur-farmer, who settled down well with his notorious state farm in the conditions of a market management mechanism! But what was not heard of this Skillful master during the years of Soviet rule? Grudinin clearly has Stalinist habits, only a shorter mustache. His election as president may entail unpredictable consequences, both inside the country and on the international arena of the Russian Federation! So it should not be believe the wolf’s smiles! President Vladimir Putin is a predictable person, and it must be assumed that during the new presidential term he will be able to prepare a worthy successor, a person worthy to continue the process of formation and further development of Russia and the strengthening of its international authority!
        15. AUL
          AUL 9 January 2018 21: 42
          +6
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Well, at least some things are visible behind Putin, but what is Grudinin’s acre PR? I already wrote that being a good chairman of a state farm does not mean being a good president of Russia. The scale you know is not the same. To begin with, he would have to get experience at least by the ministry. And in foreign policy, he is zero without a wand.

          And what were the merits of a simple KGB colonel when he came to power? Nobody even knew his last name!
          1. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 18: 51
            0
            And it seems to you that you had a good life with EBN, but Putin came and became immediately ill?
        16. MrK
          MrK 9 January 2018 21: 42
          +8
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Well, behind Putin, at least some things are visible


          About Putin’s affairs article in LJ: The growth of paid medical services under Putin. http://burckina-new.livejournal.com/
          Soon we will suck these things that are visible?
          1. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 18: 52
            0
            MIRARK - did you feel like living with EBN?
        17. V. Salama
          V. Salama 9 January 2018 23: 47
          +4
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          210quq Today, 09:12 ↑ New
          And everything in politics is muddy. And Putin is the first on this list.
          Well, at least some things are visible behind Putin, but what is Grudinin’s acre PR? I already wrote that being a good chairman of a state farm does not mean being a good president of Russia.
          What are some things that are not feasible about obvious to average intelligence? Being a good chairman of a state farm does not mean not being a good president (Lukashenko’s example). A normal person does not vote for the king, but for the "ideology" (idea, project) and for the person who is ready to implement this project. Grudinin is not a communist, do not ascribe this to him. He is a compromise of leftist forces. Weak hope for the country's evolutionary progress. And you are not a communist and Stalin is not your ideal, but an idol. Otherwise, you would be ready for the opportunity to change the situation, and not tryndet that there is no alternative and if only there was no war. Apparently from those who assess the situation from the position of their own stomach - fear of any changes. A very "productive" position and you will always find justifications for it.
          1. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 18: 59
            0
            Does it look like you are sick of it, and you want to blow everything up? Your oligarch "state farm" who came from nowhere, do we need him? Read carefully who roofs it and can at least start to understand something. And about the stomach. You see, it’s not your aunt who’s hungry, but I’m looking to starve?
        18. Wayfarer
          Wayfarer 10 January 2018 02: 50
          +6
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Well, behind Putin, at least some things are visible

          Putin sees only one thing: the heyday of the oligarchy, the total plunder of the country and the impoverishment of the people.
          For Grudinin - all his activities are devoted to improving the life of the people.
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          To be a good chairman of a state farm does not mean to be a good president of Russia.

          Give Putin a state farm and he will dispose of it in the same way as he did with Russia, the state farm will be plundered completely, and he will build up the fields with oligarch palaces.
          Grudinin has proved with his whole life that he is an efficient business executive, an honest man who has a conscience and sincerely cares for the people.
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          To begin with, he would have to get experience at least by the ministry.
          For what merits did Putin succeed Yeltsin? What kind of experience? Before the CIA or before the State Department ?. Putin has been in power for 17 years, he has neither achievements nor merit, a complete failure in foreign and domestic policy. Putin oversees the offshore-oligarchic system, has driven Russia into a geopolitical impasse, Russia is lined with sanctions, the economy is stagnating, Russia is plundered, the number of oligarchs is increasing, people are impoverished, people are dying out.
          The only hope for the salvation of the country is the coming to power of a patriotic government led by Grudinin.
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          And in foreign policy, he is zero without a wand.
          Putin failed foreign policy completely, his policy plunged the country into an unprecedented Cold War with all the technologically developed countries of the world. Under Putin, the Russian world split - a real catastrophe of its policy, Ukraine became an enemy of Russia.
          The only hope is the coming to power of Grudinin, who will be able to turn the vector of foreign policy into mutually beneficial cooperation with all countries of the world.
          1. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 19: 09
            0
            You I look cool political analyst. In addition to the slogans of your Grudinin - nothing. One continuous populism. He even says out of place. And it’s an absolute nonsense, but it looks like honey to your soul, or you are a paid agent. He is not a business executive, but the most ordinary speculator and swindler. And your Communist Party has nothing to do with the Bolshevik Communists. Fat hucksters and crooks, prosravy country in 91m.
        19. Wayfarer
          Wayfarer 10 January 2018 03: 12
          +2
          Criticism of Grudinin is divided into two categories: 1. a lie; 2. slander.
          Critics of Grudinin are divided into two categories, those who are on the content: 1. oligarchs; 2. The State Department.
          1. your1970
            your1970 10 January 2018 08: 24
            +1
            Quote: Traveler
            Criticism of Grudinin is divided into two categories: 1. a lie; 2. slander.
            Critics of Grudinin are divided into two categories, those who are on the content: 1. oligarchs; 2. The State Department.
            - Urgently show me where to sign in the payroll statements !!!! I have accrued TWO as much !!! The main statement is not to be confused !!!! Hooray !!!
            But seriously ...
            There is a fact - that Grudinin is the owner of 44% of the shares of the company. The cost of the balance sheet of the CJSC is 7 billion rubles. The share of Grudininsky shares is about 3 billion. He can sell these shares (according to the current legislation and even without the consent of the other shareholders (CJSC !!)) to any person at any time.
            the second fact is that under the current law no more than 50 people can be owners of shares (more than already OJSC). Therefore, we have 44% of Grudinin and 56 of the remaining 49 (the maximum possible! -And there may be 5-10 in total) people. None of which state farmers-shareholders are in question
            the third fact is that the Communist (!!!) party is headed by a billionaire oligarch (a small such-BUT dollar millionaire after owning shares) in case of victory in the elections. Nonsense? by no means .. No one canceled illness / death and the Communist Party may (as the second batch) be at the head of the country
            These are facts that no one can refute
            1. Wayfarer
              Wayfarer 10 January 2018 08: 53
              +7
              Quote: your1970
              But seriously ...
              But seriously, how much do you get and in what currency and from whom? How much is now worth discrediting the patriot of Russia?
              And with these facts go to the toilet, as if the sense would be:
              1. Compared to Putin, Grudinin is a rogue. You are lying, Grudinin is not an oligarch, he is a mid-level businessman.
              2. At the head of the Russian Federation in 2000, it was incomprehensible to someone nominated by an unknown person, it was not clear for what merits and to which country. Putin surrendered all that was possible, cherished the offshore-oligarchic system, the country was plundered, humiliated and rolled into the abyss.
              Grudinin is a well-known entrepreneur who has proved his whole life and focus on the good of the people.
              3. You are lying, as always, Grudinin does not head the Communist Party, he is non-partisan. Grudinin leads a coalition of patriots of Russia united to save the country.
              Quote: your1970
              These are facts that no one can refute
              laughing laughing laughing You lie again, already denied. Stop lying enough?
              1. your1970
                your1970 10 January 2018 10: 38
                0
                1)
                Quote: Traveler
                Compared to Putin, Grudinin is a rogue.
                compared to you or to me - super mega oligarch.You left the answer — I didn’t ask for an answer not to comparison with anyone — but to an answer to a specific question: is he the owner in a closed joint stock company or not?
                2)
                Quote: Traveler
                with all his life he has proved his effectiveness and focus on the good of the people.
                - increase The balance sheet value of a closed joint-stock company (even by building a kindergarten) is it aimed at the benefit of the people? No, of course, it will fall over to the people, too, but it has fulfilled the main task of INCREASING the value of its share of the property ..
                3)
                Quote: Traveler
                You are lying, as always, Grudinin does not head the Communist Party, he is non-partisan. Grudinin leads a coalition of Russian patriots united to save the country
                - What will the Communist Party do on March 19 - if Putin 17 resigns / falls ill / dies (everything can happen in life)? The Communist Party will carry out its program (with nationalization) - having a billionaire president? Grudinin will be second in any deal against Putin - and automatically first in the event of Putin's departure.
                What then ???
            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 10 January 2018 09: 41
              +3
              Quote: your1970
              The third fact is that the Communist (!!!) party is led by a billionaire oligarch (a small such BUT dollar millionaire upon owning shares) in case of victory in the elections. Nonsense?

              Grudinin is not at the head of the Communist Party; moreover, he is not even a member of the party. Grudinin is a candidate for a broad coalition of popular forces, including the Communist Party. He is just the most compromise figure at the moment, for everyone - you expose him with some sort of symbol. The Communist Party just gave him a ticket to the election, without the need to collect signatures that are easily rejected by the authorities, in case of an objectionable candidate. You are aware that Zyuganov’s deputy for the campaign headquarters will be the coordinator of the PDS of the NDSR Filin, who has nothing to do with the Communist Party.
              Here you have a rebuttal
          2. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 19: 12
            0
            A traveler is an ordinary troll! And your goal on the portal of the Military Review is to raise hysteria around Grudinin, to push people against their foreheads. You are the real Gapon. Who do you work for? Your account is registered on December 23, 2017. Your Grudinin is the deputy of the State Department, according to all world news, they are just cracking about him.
        20. user
          user 11 January 2018 14: 48
          +3
          Well, at least some things are visible behind Putin, but what is Grudinin’s acre PR?


          And what about Putin? What are some special things if you turn off the TV and drive off the Garden Ring. After the Great Depression, Roosevelt needed only a few years to restore the economy in the country, and after all, he also directly faced the US oligarchs, read the story, and the confrontation situation was steeper than now in Russia. If we take Stalin so that in 14 years he increased GDP by 63 times, the situation in the country was also worse than today.

          Well, against this background, what kind of merit does VP have, is even interesting.
          1. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 19: 32
            0
            Stalin’s situation was better. The union was single and indestructible, half of Europe was under us. The constitution was, the Bank of the USSR was Soviet, the ruble was not pegged to the dollar. But Putin got a splinter of the Union, albeit large in territory, but sparsely populated, with a ruined economy, torn off by industrial Ukraine, Belarus and the rest of the republics, with an amer written constitution that the Central Bank legally tied to the IMF, a freely convertible ruble, the volumes of which can be withdrawn from the economy RF abroad. From the very beginning, Putin was surrounded by groups of oligarchs who actually ruled the country. By the way, do you know how much oil workers paid to the state treasury from a ton of oil? And how much are they paying now? Do you remember well how you lived in the 90s? Do you want a repetition? I don’t, and most do not. Talk about merit. I don’t need to talk about depression in the USA, I’ve read it, and it’s not worse than your job, and it’s not Roosevelt’s merit, the states were ruled and ruled not by presidents, but by financial oligarchs. I graduated in 2000, and I see very well how the country has changed over these 18 years, not everything is good to say the least, but not everything is bad either.
            1. user
              user 11 January 2018 22: 38
              0
              Stalin’s situation was better. The union was single and indestructible, half of Europe was under us. The constitution was, the Bank of the USSR was Soviet, the ruble was not pegged to the dollar.


              Are you by any chance a victim of the exam?
              After all, I cited the country's economic indicators on January 1, 1941.

              In any case, read the school history textbook, even from it (although they were all written by the team of Filippov, the former Minister of Education, under him the Russian Federation signed the Bologna Agreements and began to promote the idea of ​​the Unified State Examination - they went out to international standards and recognized education systems and diplomas, and most importantly, they until today they are leading the Ministry of Education) it will be clear that at that time most of the population of the Soviet Union could not read, in the country - after the civil war, the economy was in ruins, and all the necessary purchases abroad were made only for grain, which caused hunger in the country, and after only for gold.

              And today, according to many foreign studies, we take first place in the world in the number of people with higher education per 1 people and in some positions up to 40% of the world's minerals.

              Only the results under such conditions are directly opposite.
        21. Siberian 1975
          Siberian 1975 11 January 2018 15: 13
          0
          And who was Putin before coming to power? Also zero. And what are the real things for Putin? I do not need only about foreign policy. I'm interested in the inside. What is done? Maybe inflation has stopped, wages have risen, corruption has been defeated, housing and communal services tidied up? Putin begins each speech with these questions. Yes, how much can ??? He is at the helm, but with a clever look, he talks about the problems of the same housing and communal services, the return of capital from offshore companies, etc. QUESTION! What have you been doing all this time ??? We are fighting for the Nord Stream, and we have half the country on wood. This is an example. My personal opinion is Putin is tired, Putin, go away! Oh yes, the army was revived. I admit, what for so many years?
          1. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 19: 38
            0
            People drink less, work, cars have appeared, some even have two, build houses, go to sea. Is this not enough? Salary avg. with the 90s has really grown, since they can afford it. I can also afford it. But before Putin-no. There was a problem to eat. Not now. He raised the army, isn’t that enough?
            1. user
              user 11 January 2018 22: 45
              +1
              Salary avg. with the 90s has really grown, since they can afford it.


              And compared to the 70s or 80s?
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    2. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 9 January 2018 09: 14
      +8
      In one milk they flounder.
    3. Artek
      Artek 9 January 2018 09: 14
      18
      Is it somehow muddy?


      well so wipe eyes.
    4. Megatron
      Megatron 9 January 2018 09: 22
      11
      The Cossack is not easy, lives off by renting the golden land near the Moscow Ring Road, and the fact that all our "parties" are pocket ones is a no brainer.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 9 January 2018 10: 14
        +9
        Quote: Megatron
        Cossack is not easy, lives off renting gold land near Moscow

        И sale this golden land, and the official price of transactions is ten times less than the market. Where is the difference? There is also a rental property. through a company owned by the son of a "socialist." The "socialist" himself owns 40% shares of "farm Lenin." Non-capitalist, yes ... "Production", yes ...
        In 2017, thousands ... migrants from Wed. Asia, with whom he "fights" and who paid a penny.
        Muddy uncle, there only dig ....
        1. Svist
          Svist 9 January 2018 10: 53
          18
          Quote: Olgovich
          In 2017, thousands ... migrants from Wed. Asia, with whom he "fights" and who paid a penny.

          A little to prove? Muscovites were bursting with strawberries, the migrants didn’t do anything there. You want money, you want in kind. Collected three drawers - your fourth.
        2. Sergey Cojocari
          Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 12: 05
          14
          Who doesn’t give? Take a shovel and dig! Bring what you dig to the prosecutor’s office! The digger ... Everybody there could dig and dug up the fig, which they sniffed and left without salt. If each such digger could be brought to trial for defamation, then easily one could start digging a new channel.
          1. Sterkh
            Sterkh 11 January 2018 19: 41
            0
            Luzhkov and Sobyanin tried to run over. Sorry. Your "comrade" with a mustache is not easy. And now this your "comrade" is being promoted by foreign media. Because Putin is like a bone in their throat.
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 10: 45
        30
        Quote: Megatron
        The Cossack is not easy, lives off by renting the golden land near the Moscow Ring Road, and the fact that all our "parties" are pocket ones is a no brainer.
        Who prevented the rest of the state farms near the Moscow Ring Road from leasing a small part of their land? One state farm remained, the rest sold their land for development, or they simply squeezed it out of them. "Cossack" built the best school and kindergarten in Europe, gives pensioners food packages for the winter for free, an average salary of 80 thousand rubles to pay to their hard workers, lives with them in the same house, and not in a separate castle behind a fence, etc.
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 9 January 2018 11: 10
          14
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          "Cossack" built the best school and kindergarten in Europe, gives pensioners food packages for the winter for free, an average salary of 80 thousand rubles to pay to their hard workers, lives with them in the same house, and not in a separate castle behind a fence, etc.

          Do you think that the Cossack will also continue to operate nationwide? And will he be independent in making decisions? Russia is a state, not a state farm, there are not only castles and grocery sets, this is the army and industry, medicine and education, and many other things and the communists ended with the shooting of Beria, the same Zyuganov is exactly the same petty-bourgeois party, and the communist name is one name in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. hi
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 11: 21
            26
            Quote: vlad66
            Russia is a state, not a state farm, there are not only castles and grocery sets, this is the army and industry and medicine and education

            You are right, but about the army, in the team of Grudinin, there is General Sobolev, for example, now the Chairman of the All-Russian Public Movement "In Support of the Army, Defense Industry and Military Science", about the industry Boglaev - Specialist in the organization of industrial production. General Director of Cherepovets Foundry and Mechanical Plant OJSC. Today, every third tractor in Russia leaves the conveyors of the Cherepovets plant. etc. Grudinin emphasized that the industry will be managed by specialists in their field, and not as it is now - journalist Rogozin oversees the military-industrial complex, linguist Sechin - Rosneft and others hi
            1. vlad66
              vlad66 9 January 2018 11: 41
              +9
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Grudinin emphasized that the industry will be managed by specialists in their field, and not as it is now - journalist Rogozin oversees the military-industrial complex, linguist Sechin - Rosneft and others hi

              Mikhail, journalists and linguists agree with you, it’s one and the same thing that a shoemaker bakes cakes, and a cakesman smokes boots. But you will recall everyone who took up a post in any collective farm office also brings another team. the tears of participation in rotten apples, the dubbed "Production Sharing Law", are being heard now, although it seems like they canceled it. And Mikhail
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              We are waiting for the revelation that everything was built on American grants - now such a stream of dirt is pouring on the popular candidate, because the Zaputinists are in a panic because they missed a real competitor to Putin

              Yes, what kind of grants, firstly grants, if any, we will never know about, but the former ambassador to Russia McFaul is very pleased with the nomination of Grudinin, Venediktov at the State Department’s Ear began to praise Grudinin for something, why not. request And secondly, maybe a popular candidate, but Putin was also declared the same popular candidate and almost carried Yeltsin in his arms. yes Well, only this time can resolve this discussion, it is only in a hurry in such matters, it is necessary to examine, cough it all. Best regards, Mikhail. hi
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 13: 15
                +8
                Quote: vlad66
                To the same Boldyrev not to cry crocodile tears for participation in rotten apples, the dubbed "Production Sharing Law" is being heard even now, although it seems to have canceled it.
                Respect Vlad, Boldyrev counteracted him, as far as I know. And it was just because of disagreements that he left Yabloko, and has not been involved in it for 22 years now.
                Known for his work on countering the plunder of the country, the surrender of its natural resources to the West. He was the organizer of a large-scale abuse audit in the Western Group of Forces in Germany (1992). He counteracted the plunder by the "government of young reformers" of budget funds under the guise of helping farmers through AKKOR (1992). In 1995, he headed the Conciliation Commission from the Federation Council under the Law “On Production Sharing Agreements”, which excluded the most dangerous norms from the law (history and documents are presented in the book “The Abduction of Eurasia”, 2003, as well as on the website of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation). He participated in identifying the pretense of “credit-mortgage auctions” and then appealed to the Prosecutor General with a request to terminate them (1995-1997) [7]. He opposed the European Energy Charter (the Accounts Chamber gave a negative opinion, 1997) and the adoption of the law on the Central Bank as a subject with a “special status” (1995), the Central Bank’s lack of control and its management’s impunity (1995-2000). On behalf of the Accounts Chamber, he organized a lawsuit against unreasonable classification of the results of the Central Bank audit (1999). He published the facts of a massive budget looting (including a third of the 1995 federal budget through the mechanism of illegal “compensation” in connection with the abolition by the Parliament of the initially illegal benefits for the import of alcohol and cigarettes into the country, 1997). He also made public the facts of the privatization of strategic defense enterprises revealed by the Accounts Chamber in the hands of NATO [specify] (1995-2000, the documentary base is presented in the book “On Barrels of Honey and Tar Spoons”, 2003), as well as massive violations and abuse of leadership State Hermitage Museum (2000).

                Quote: vlad66
                Yes, what kind of grants, firstly grants, if any, we will never know about, but the former ambassador to Russia McFaul is very pleased with the nomination of Grudinin, Venediktov at the State Department’s Ear began to praise Grudinin for something, why not.
                Venedkitov walked very grudgingly along Grudinin, again mentioning allegedly “Turkish strawberries”, well, he gave him 20% of his strength. McFaul I don’t know what he said, but here is the opinion of ordinary people living in Vidnoe, as I consider it more relevant now
                Quote: vlad66
                And secondly, maybe a popular candidate, but Putin was also declared the same popular candidate and almost carried Yeltsin in his arms.

                Well, this is not a reason to give up, I think the alien soul of the darkness. Comrade Stalin was a member of the Bolshevik party, however, he changed the course of the country, having come to power. With the current government it will only get worse, because Putin is happy with everything and is not going to change anything. And I want to believe in the best hi
                1. Per se.
                  Per se. 9 January 2018 13: 58
                  +7
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  Well, this is not a reason to give up, I think, someone else's soul is dark.
                  It may be so, but there are pre-election statements here, and Grudinina has a socialist orientation in this, there are statements on the nationalization of archival industries. What to expect from Putin? Russia is reckoned with because the Soviet legacy remains from the superpower, first of all, it is the nuclear missile potential, the technical developments from the Soviet science, which still modernize the created and develop the pledged ideas. The Russian capitalists have not given birth to anything fundamentally new in science and technology, they milk and sell what their grandfathers and fathers created. The whole "multipolar world" is utopia, while in a foreign pole of power and under other people's rules of the game. It is very doubtful that the "casino" here will give a win, a multipolar world, and was a reality only with the emergence of a new social system that gave rise to an independent superpower, the USSR, and the socialist bloc of countries. If Putin is just a friend of the oligarchs, it’s unlikely that the Anglo-Saxons could be ousted from the world capitalist throne, even squeeze out their share ... It turns out that with such a capitalist Russia, we will be reckoned with in our foreign policy in the Soviet policy until all our "development "will be determined by the sale of raw materials and the sale of Soviet achievements, with the domestic exploitation of our people, since we have no colonies, there is nothing to build world economic pyramids either. If Putin does not intend to become a "red dictator" himself by tweaking the fat "brotherhood" billionaires, the prospect is pessimistic. Therefore, it remains to either rely on Putin for a communist and KGB, that he himself will nationalize and bring back socialism, either Grudinin will do it, or, remain in capitalism, eat up the Soviet legacy, and, degrading, we lie down frankly with our bad guys in London under the owners from London and Washington.
            2. Siberian 1975
              Siberian 1975 11 January 2018 15: 33
              +1
              Colonel Kvachkov sent him the words of support; for me personally, this means something. Since I consider Kvachkov an honest person and a patriot of his country!
        2. 97110
          97110 9 January 2018 18: 04
          +3
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          One state farm remained

          The founder and owner of such enterprises is no longer there (the USSR was swam somewhere) - well, at least read the Civil Code. And so you still call your beloved "state farm" the "State Farm ..." CLOSED JOINT STOCK COMPANY. The rest I do not argue with you. Well done man, such an enterprise to maintain and develop, living among the wolves - these are good teeth to have. It may be smaller than that of the KGB colonel, but certainly larger than that of the average colonel ....
        3. Sterkh
          Sterkh 11 January 2018 19: 42
          0
          Well, well .... Something too zealous you push it to us.
    5. You Vlad
      You Vlad 9 January 2018 09: 25
      +7
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Is it somehow muddy?

      No, an ordinary oligarch! I got up to lease state-owned land in the Moscow region! And about the profitability of agriculture ... there are no such profits to MIRACLE cook up No. The showcase is shorter ..
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 10: 04
        +3
        Quote: You Vlad
        there are no such profits there to concoct a MIRACLE

        he may well have a very convenient location of the state farm an excellent sales market, the main thing is money so it’s quite real
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 9 January 2018 10: 43
          +3
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          he may well have a very convenient location of the state farm an excellent sales market, the main thing is money so it’s quite real

          No dear, it’s unreal! You’ll ask what profit is in agriculture ... To build such a showcase is unreal. Kindergarten for 260 Lyam
          School 2 billion ...
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 11: 05
            24
            Quote: You Vlad
            No dear, it’s unreal! You’ll ask what profit is in agriculture ... To build such a showcase is unreal. Kindergarten for 260 Lyam

            Well, if you do not withdraw money to offshore, then you can build it - it's in rubles. How many Americans are preparing to announce during the reign of GDP ?! - from one to two trillion dollars !!! Count how many of these schools in Kindergarten and kindergartens are taken offshore wink
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 9 January 2018 11: 20
              +2
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Well, if you do not withdraw money to offshore, then you can build it - it's in rubles.

              And here it is? It’s about the fact that he is a simple privatizer who rose (made a miracle, a showcase for political ambitions) not on strawberries (agriculture), but corny on leasing and selling land!
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 11: 27
                23
                Quote: you Vlad
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                Well, if you do not withdraw money to offshore, then you can build it - it's in rubles.

                And here it is? It’s about the fact that he is a simple privatizer who rose (made a miracle, a showcase for political ambitions) not on strawberries (agriculture), but corny on leasing and selling land!

                Not simple, but socially oriented, unlike the vast majority of their colleagues. A strawberry to him, even Zhirinovsky goes to collect, so quite a successful entrepreneur. Could simply sell all his hectares for residential buildings - much more profitable, he would personally, and so - he takes care of ordinary people
              2. 97110
                97110 9 January 2018 18: 09
                +2
                Quote: You Vlad
                The thing is that he is a simple tackler who rose

                A simple one would simply be blown up, along with a car. We will soon find out from Twain how many of his wide-profile machine operators in the silos were dug up.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 11: 23
            18
            note a school, not a yacht
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 9 January 2018 11: 26
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              note a school, not a yacht

              On which he makes good money, due to Muscovites, yeah yes
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 11: 36
                21
                Quote: You Vlad
                On which he makes good money, due to Muscovites, yeah

                is it a crime ?!
                that's when money is invested in Chelsea from my point of view it’s a crime
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 9 January 2018 11: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  is it a crime ?!

                  Judge for yourself:
                  https://www.opentown.org/news/170737/
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 12: 51
                    +7
                    Children’s labor is especially in demand - they need less space and food, and children’s hands do not remember strawberries ... Neither contracts, nor provision of identity documents, nor sanitary checks ... In the sweet taste of berries near Moscow it is difficult to notice the bitterness of practically forced labor. And law enforcement and regulatory authorities treat the new Russian landlords with amazing loyalty even by Russian standards

                    sorry but this blah blah show
                    and now excerpts from the biography of the author of the article
                    In 1987 he graduated from graduate school, but because of the systematic abuse of alcohol, he was not allowed to defend his dissertation. For the same reason, a year later, he was twice expelled from the Department of General Physics of the Perm Polytechnic Institute. In 1989, he became chairman of the Perm Labor Union, into which the legalized "Union of Communists" was transformed. However, after the assignment of the public box office to this organization, it was subjected to general obstruction by party colleagues and expelled from Soyuz. According to information from the “SK” asset, it was repeatedly subjected to “serious physical influences from the victims” for this theft.
                    In 1992, he became a member of the executive committee of the socio-political association "Worker". In 1996-96, he was the chief editor of Vzglyad magazine. It was published for the money of commercial sponsors in various publications, including the USA and Argentina.

                    Currently engaged in online advertising of various commercial structures.

                    "Judge for yourself"
                    1. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 9 January 2018 16: 52
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      "Judge for yourself"

                      Well, there are specific facts! Frauds with registration of plots that were previously owned by the workers of the Lenin State Farm, the fact of arbitration proceedings of the Lenin State Farm with its contractors and 43 million rubles “hanging” on its accounts ..
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 17: 06
                        +4
                        Quote: You Vlad
                        Frauds with registration of plots that were previously owned by workers of the Lenin State Farm

                        But can you see the documents somewhere ?!
                        it's just that all the words may or may not
                2. Sterkh
                  Sterkh 11 January 2018 19: 45
                  0
                  Putin is investing in Chelsea? Grudin means a sort of “good” person, he cares about people, let's be his president.
              2. Sergey Cojocari
                Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 12: 10
                +7
                Yes, dear to you, at least ... in your eyes, everything will seem like it is God's dew.
            2. You Vlad
              You Vlad 12 January 2018 17: 41
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              note a school, not a yacht

              Vladimir, it’s become interesting to me, you’re a smart person, but I don’t understand request how can you just believe a hamster like that, and are you ready to trust him with a country? Okay, well, even be a saint. he is still not an independent figure, but only shop-window! And are you ready to exchange it for a person who pulled the country out of his ass, by the way, after the same sternum. Or will you deny it?
          3. Sergey Horuzhik
            Sergey Horuzhik 9 January 2018 12: 20
            +2
            so he rents out these mansions to the municipality: https: //cont.ws/@glavbushka/808987
            To build it.
          4. your1970
            your1970 9 January 2018 14: 03
            +1
            Quote: You Vlad
            No dear, unreal! You ask what profit in agriculture ..
            - It’s quite a profit - if you do not get into loans for buying Mercedeses ....
            In our country, for example, in the Volga region, who did not fool, but developed, they live quite well for themselves.

            The cost of a pack of seeds 100 gr in stores is 35-40 rubles, this is 350 000 rub per ton. Purchase price of already calibrated seeds 10-12 000 rub per ton, we throw more from the bounty for packing / roasting / transporting another 10 thousand per ton ....
            We have more left over 300 000 (!!!!!!!!!) NAVARA with just one ton .....
            with cost goods (packs) in 1 (!!!) ruble ...
          5. Wayfarer
            Wayfarer 10 January 2018 03: 08
            +1
            Quote: You Vlad
            You ask what profit in agriculture
            And you take an interest laughing In 2016, the Lenin state farm received one billion six hundred million rubles of net profit.
            Put Lenin at the head of the state farm, Putin and he would build the same castles, but only for the oligarchs, and the inhabitants of the state farm would go to Moscow to earn money.
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 10: 43
          +8
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          is quite real

          School for 2 lard? To the strawberries?
          Sneakers do not tell, they are so ... funny.
          1. Svist
            Svist 9 January 2018 10: 58
            +5
            Damn ... That about the leasing of expensive land for rent is interpreted, and the income is considered only from strawberries ...
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 11: 01
              21
              Quote: Svist
              Damn ... That about the leasing of expensive land for rent is interpreted, and the income is considered only from strawberries ...
              We are waiting for the disclosure that everything is built on American grants wassat - now such a stream of dirt is pouring on the popular candidate, because the Zaputinists are in a panic from the fact that they missed a real competitor to Putin
              1. Siban
                Siban 9 January 2018 11: 12
                +9
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                We are waiting for the revelation that everything is built on American grants - now such a stream of dirt is pouring on the popular candidate, because the Zaputinists are in a panic because they missed a real competitor to Putin
                Why wait already repeat Well so "work" such recourse Ktozh "Olgins" for such an activity, will pay that kind of money ?! Hosh is not hosh, but you need to feed your family. That "work out" for the "Red Director" ..
                Especially now they have been allocated a large tranche of Grudinin. This is clearly visible here in “VO”, “Kotmanul” and the brethren ..
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 11: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: Siban
                  And why wait, already Duc "work" is so Ktozh "Olgins"

                  fool
                  statements can present? !!
                  or are you just following a stupid plan?
            2. Sergey Cojocari
              Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 12: 12
              18
              And nevermind why money for the school and kindergarten ??? Not on a plane for dogs, and not a yacht for whores.
              1. your1970
                your1970 9 January 2018 14: 09
                +3
                Quote: Sergey Cojokar
                And nevermind why money for the school and kindergarten ??? Not on a plane for dogs, and not a yacht for whores.
                - I don’t care ...
                The fact that he does not plunder YOUR personal(yes, its ownership is 44%) property is not an indicator of absolutely nothing ...
                1. Sergey Cojocari
                  Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 17: 05
                  +9
                  Now, if he plundered state property as members of the Lake cooperative, then he would have been in the "cadre of Putin’s friends. And in figs he would have to be elected as president ...
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 11: 24
            +4
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            To the strawberries?

            did you deal with strawberries what is up to date?
            1. Sergey Cojocari
              Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 12: 13
              14
              Golovan, specialist in throwing manure on a fan ...
      2. Svist
        Svist 9 January 2018 10: 43
        28
        Maybe an oligarch. But! He does not withdraw money to offshore companies, pays people a decent salary, built a magnificent school, a kindergarten, and a clinic. The village has been landscaped. If all the oligarchs did this, it would be wonderful to live. All of Russia would be a showcase.
        Nominated by ALL left forces, and officially from the Communists - so as not to bother with the collection of signatures.
        I do not think that he will win, the current "masters of life" will not give ...
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 11: 13
          17
          Quote: Svist
          Nominated by ALL left forces, and officially from the Communists - so as not to bother with the collection of signatures.
          Not only the left, but also a significant part of the sane right, included in the PDS of the NSSR Boldyreva
          Quote: Svist
          The village has been landscaped. If all the oligarchs did this, it would be wonderful to live. All of Russia would be a showcase.
          I’ll bring such a demotivator to your words hi
          1. Sergey Horuzhik
            Sergey Horuzhik 9 January 2018 12: 21
            +3
            And here is the full exposure of your demotivator: https: //cont.ws/@glavbushka/808987
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 13: 19
              +6
              can you thesis? I still do not understand from your article - the kindergarten is not a kindergarten? Or is it built on budget money? or what else is there?
        2. Romey
          Romey 9 January 2018 12: 11
          15
          Quote: Svist
          Maybe an oligarch. I do not think that he will win, the current "masters of life" will not give ...

          Yes, what P.N. Grudinin oligarch ?! The salary of lamas is generally nothing compared to a real oligarchy. Medium business. Production. Well, okay ... And the most interesting thing is that supporters of Miller, Sechin, Deripaska, Aven, Rotenberg, Timchenko, Shuvalov, Dvorkovich with their yachts, real estate, offshore and other effective tools of getting up from their knees talking about him as an oligarch. .. Where is Grudinin and where are they ?!
          1. your1970
            your1970 9 January 2018 14: 12
            +4
            Quote: romey
            Yes, what P.N. Grudinin oligarch ?! The salary of lamas is generally nothing compared to a real oligarchy. Medium business. Production. anyway
            its share in the ownership of the company is worth 52 million dollars (at the rate), although not large - but nonetheless a millionaire
        3. Sterkh
          Sterkh 11 January 2018 19: 49
          0
          Think primitively. Directly honey lacquered your Grudinin.
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 10 January 2018 14: 00
        +1
        Quote: You Vlad
        No, an ordinary oligarch! He rose on the lease of state farm land in the suburbs!

        Look for fun.
    6. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 9 January 2018 09: 42
      +6
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Is it somehow muddy?

      There's something about it. Zyuganov also criticized Putin every time, but for some reason he didn’t have such interest from “friends from the West”. If the enemy praises you ....
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 11: 37
        21
        Quote: Vladimir61
        There's something about it. Zyuganov also criticized Putin every time, but for some reason he didn’t have such interest from “friends from the West”. If the enemy praises you ...

        I’ll tell you more - Grudinin promised the first thing to amnesty Kvachkov and other political prisoners passing through article 282! Suddenly, in general, Chubais will be imprisoned - definitely muddy! None of such a sedition from the candidates did not breed! am
    7. myrzilka
      myrzilka 9 January 2018 12: 22
      +7
      He is not a communist. And he left Edwards in 2010. As for the turbidity, I did not observe the performances. In economic matters, everything is very clearly stated. And, if, take the second place. Maybe then the GDP starts to itch. Or he will decide not to change the horses at the crossing. Although what kind of horses it is, another animal comes to mind.
    8. Gardamir
      Gardamir 9 January 2018 15: 18
      14
      Is it somehow muddy?

    9. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 9 January 2018 19: 48
      +3
      And when you voted for the first time for Putin, was he "clear as a glass" for you ?.
  2. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 9 January 2018 09: 18
    10
    eperst))) Western media praise the communist?))) is alarming lol
    1. captain
      captain 9 January 2018 09: 44
      +5
      So the Western media and Lenin and Trotsky were initially very praised, so what? But what kind of collective farm we will have !!
      1. Loess
        Loess 9 January 2018 11: 03
        +2
        Quote: captain
        So the Western media and Lenin and Trotsky were initially very praised, so what? But what kind of collective farm we will have !!

        We will not have a collective farm, do not even hope. He will lease the whole collective farm with giblets. At a lower price, but in bulk)
      2. Svidetel 45
        Svidetel 45 9 January 2018 19: 52
        +4
        But in extreme cases, it’s better to vote for the chairman of the state farm, who showed. what in reality can lead, than for any lawyers-swindlers or dubious reputation of economist-theorists who promised to bless the country in a few months in the early 90's.
    2. Romey
      Romey 9 January 2018 12: 15
      +8
      Quote: K0
      eperst))) Western media praise the communist?))) is alarming lol

      First, Grudinin is not a communist, but a coalition candidate. Secondly, they were also surprised by the emergence of a serious alternative to the principle of Putin and his thieving friendships.
  3. ImPerts
    ImPerts 9 January 2018 09: 21
    +5
    Ninghuizen sees

    He sees ...
    What does he see?
    By the way, about the American style of working with the opposition:
    1. novel66
      novel66 9 January 2018 09: 44
      +8
      Well, that's right, and we need it!
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 9 January 2018 09: 56
        +2
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Well, that's right, and we need it!

        Well this, this, well, no matter how democratically! The howl will be a dictator, etc. .. Well, in our opinion, we now have the Rossguard provided for everyone, there will be an order .... The most important thing is that he be ... and there is no paralysis of power.
        1. novel66
          novel66 9 January 2018 10: 03
          +7
          very right - about the paralysis of power, enough, fuck, look around!
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 9 January 2018 10: 45
            +3
            Quote: novel xnumx
            Enough, fuck, look around!

            what Nifiga you, my friend, melancholy sausage .... just an adult !!!
            1. novel66
              novel66 9 January 2018 12: 09
              +4
              and I rush into it like in the sea, I rush headlong!
          2. Svidetel 45
            Svidetel 45 9 January 2018 20: 03
            +2
            But it is desirable. so that there is no paralysis of power against the actions of the 5th column, but not against the just indignation of the people against the lawlessness of officials or the glaring inequality in the distribution of material wealth in our society. But in the first one, I’m not sure how much our government likes to play democracy, that all liberoids, Russophobes, feel fine and pour dirt and lies on the country on almost all TV channels, freedom of speech, however.
      2. Svist
        Svist 9 January 2018 11: 40
        +2
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Well, that's right, and we need it!

        So what's up? Have a seat next! laughing
        1. novel66
          novel66 9 January 2018 12: 06
          +5
          uh i'm on the other hand lol
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 9 January 2018 09: 27
    +5
    Frank Ninghuizen


    smile I ask you not to write obscene words ...
    I tried to say it out loud ... I got a Russian mat.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 9 January 2018 09: 31
      12
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I tried to say it out loud ... I got a Russian mat.

      Russian speech without a mat turns into a report ... wink
      1. novel66
        novel66 9 January 2018 09: 46
        +8
        Vysotsky - "And after all, the main thing, I know perfectly well, How they are pronounced, - But something very indecent. Asks me to the language:"
      2. novel66
        novel66 9 January 2018 09: 47
        +9
        to the question "what languages ​​do you speak?" answered strictly - "drill, swearing, Russian - with a dictionary!"
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 9 January 2018 12: 43
          +3
          Roma, welcome hi Do not mislead the venerable public - drill, it is a derivative of obscene. lol good
          1. novel66
            novel66 9 January 2018 13: 44
            +3
            uh no! swearing - closer to industrial and agricultural, although, yes, everyone has common roots! hefty boules! hi
  5. mavrus
    mavrus 9 January 2018 09: 28
    18
    Quote: 210ox
    And everything in politics is muddy. And Putin is the first on this list.
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Is it somehow muddy?

    If Grudinin is “muddy,” then all the rest are like replacing Putin, to put it mildly, “completely opaque” ...
    Oh how Putin doped up all this nude. They are already thinking about supporting the communist candidate and about rebuilding the Soviet Union.
    And even manage to find something in common with Navalny. Cool.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 10: 02
      +7
      stupid photo
      in fact, Grudinin is not a communist, in the sense not a party member
  6. Strashila
    Strashila 9 January 2018 09: 32
    +7
    What can I say ... the centuries-old dream of a good king ... he will come ... he will decide and judge everything, but there are such life sayings ... the king makes an entourage ... the king favors, but the hound does not favor ... one in the field is not a warrior ... in short, there is no team that saw itself as part of the Country, and not a place to take money from grandmothers, followed by a dump to the West and sad thoughts afterwards, like everything is bad for Mother Russia ..
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  8. Evgtan
    Evgtan 9 January 2018 09: 35
    +7
    If anything depended on the elections, they would have been banned for a long time, but everything had already been decided which of which bowl to slurp from.
  9. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 9 January 2018 09: 45
    15
    Well, this type of dense support for network technology, it can be seen. At first, wherever you leave a critical comment about him, you were immediately banned or the trolls invaded. Now someone apparently explained to him that this was too head-on, or it was decided that the first stage of the campaign had been completed, and abuse was an integral part of the work.
    But still, his people work very well with the network. A good, successfully laid base is the "entrepreneur from the earth." Purely an angel, no compromising materials, no obvious tails ... Which, in my opinion, absolutely points to an unambiguous PR project. Doing real things, truly chopping down here on earth, and it's impossible not to get dirty in anything. Generally impossible, no way.
    Actually, this is one of the main constraints that does not allow democracy to take shape in a real system of governance. A true leader is impossible without mistakes, traces of dirt and ambiguous stories that accompany him through life. Without this, one cannot become a leader, there is simply nothing to learn from. So only those who have never done a real thing can play democracy. Professional politicians, that is, comfortable gloves for ventrologists. And that’s all.
    In general, someone fattened uncle, polished, prepared and now begins to use it. I think he’s not the only one ...
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 9 January 2018 10: 04
      +8
      Quote: Mikhail3
      In general, someone fattened uncle, polished, prepared and now begins to use it.

      I agree with you good World-class professionals work and money is invested in it tens of times more than the collective farm is worth it ... So we have not disdained it here ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 11: 45
        0
        Quote: You Vlad
        than the collective farm is worth it ..

        state farm
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 9 January 2018 11: 49
          +2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          state farm

          No, this is an ordinary capitalist company, a closed joint-stock company. wink
          1. Romey
            Romey 9 January 2018 12: 45
            13
            Quote: you Vlad
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            state farm

            No, this is an ordinary capitalist company, a closed joint-stock company. wink

            So what? Yes, he is an entrepreneur. With socialist beliefs. His enterprise is just a toy. Not stolen in corners and cozy pockets by rats by Putiners from edra like a leshoz in my village in 2008. But Grudinin is an oligarch and an enemy of the people, and the thieving rat-dog is the patriots of the highest standard. Where is the logic? Once again, Grudinin was nominated by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation legally, in fact, he is a candidate for a broad coalition of all who are tired of this supposedly patriotic comprador mess in a country called the Russian Federation. Sorry, but to call Russia our continuous Limited Liability Company (more precisely, with total irresponsibility), to name the language does not turn. To be Russia, you need to be, and not appear on the TV screens. And so truly neutral will, neutral glory ... am
        2. 97110
          97110 9 January 2018 18: 30
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: You Vlad
          than the collective farm is worth it ..
          state farm

          Closed Joint Stock Company. Neither the collective farm nor the state farm are in the list of enterprise forms in the Civil Code.
      2. Sterkh
        Sterkh 11 January 2018 19: 58
        0
        I noticed - in VO there were a bunch of nicknames registered during the last six months, actively lobbying the strawberry uncle. The bastards have intensified.
    2. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 9 January 2018 10: 43
      +6
      Quote: Mikhail3
      In general, someone fattened uncle, polished, prepared and now begins to use it. I think he’s not the only one ...

      Yes, and Grudinin is full of dirt and dirt on the network - it’s just true, but what’s not, you have to figure it out yourself.
      1. Sterkh
        Sterkh 11 January 2018 20: 00
        0
        Why would foreign media start licking a "strawberry" chairman?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 11 January 2018 20: 08
          0
          Quote: Sterkh
          Why would foreign media start licking a "strawberry" chairman?

          when Putin licked, is it as if nothing? His media licks for 18 years.
    3. Loess
      Loess 9 January 2018 10: 55
      +2
      Look !!! Here it is - a sound comment !!!
  10. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 9 January 2018 09: 52
    +1
    Ahaha! Reminds another heading: Bees against honey! laughing
  11. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 10: 00
    +1
    Rudinin is not afraid to ridicule the dependence of V.V. Putin on such people who actually have a "long" place in prison.
    and I don’t remember making fun of something
  12. karelia-molot
    karelia-molot 9 January 2018 10: 11
    +4
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    I already wrote that being a good chairman of a state farm does not mean being a good president of Russia.

    Tell about this But father))))
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 10: 24
      +3
      Quote: karelia-molot
      Tell about this But father))))

      Are you sure that he is a good president ?! repeat
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 9 January 2018 11: 37
        11
        If he ran for president of the Russian Federation, then I would vote for him.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 11: 44
          +2
          but I’m definitely against, returning the emblem of the BSSR is not a sign of a good leader, and he’s an ally and shit
          1. Sergey Cojocari
            Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 12: 24
            10
            For that matter, Lukashenko, in a country that does not have colossal reserves of natural wealth, managed to preserve industry, agriculture, the army, and the KGB. police, law and order. In Belarus, stations do not explode, schools do not mine, roads are in excellent condition. And unlike Putin, he is not an ally. Lukashenko ALWAYS declared himself as an ally of Russia. Putin and his sha ..ka. not Russia.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 14: 25
              +1
              Quote: Sergey Cojokar
              And unlike Putin, he is not an ally.

              Yes?
              can you give examples?
              1. Sergey Cojocari
                Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 17: 08
                +3
                I can, but can you prove the opposite?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 19: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Sergey Cojokar
                  Can

                  to the studio
                  Quote: Sergey Cojokar
                  can you prove the opposite?

                  Belarusian oysters will suit you ?! wassat
                  1. Sergey Cojocari
                    Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 19: 52
                    +2
                    And how did you get oysters across your throat? Simmen generators are normal, but there are no Belarusian oysters? Old Man bought the raw materials, (not ready for sale), but processed it, (tore off the excess, put it in bags) and sold it to you. What is the crime and violation of the "union" agreement? Find me an article of the contract where it is forbidden to trade processed goods. And oysters in particular. It's time to stop counting Old Man for a long time, -
                    collective farmer. He may be an agronomist by education, but he keeps around him not journalists, speech therapists and former teachers, but specialists., And lawyers as well. For a long time I understood. - live with wolves, howl like a wolf ...
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 21: 01
                      0
                      Quote: Sergey Cojokar
                      And how did you get oysters across your throat?

                      if Belarusian then nothing, but you understand what I mean
                      1. Sergey Cojocari
                        Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 21: 17
                        +3
                        I ask again. German generators in the Crimea, is this normal, and Belarusian-Peruvian oysters do not get into your throat? What is the difference? Probably that. that some put “mine Genossa Mueller”, and the second Belarusian Old Man?
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 10 January 2018 09: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Sergey Cojokar
                      Old Man bought the raw materials, (not ready for sale), but processed it, (tore off the excess, put it in bags) and sold it to you. What is the crime and violation of the "union" agreement?
                      -You can immediately see that you are not aware of customs relations and the principles of sufficient processing.
                      Processing involves changing the HS code at the level of the first 4 characters. NOT is sufficient processing. If a change in processing did NOT occur, then the product NOT considered originating from this country.In this way, for shrimp occurring knowingly from third countries, customs duties should be paid when importing from Belarus to the Russian Federation. .
                      Failure to pay customs duties / taxes is contraband.
                      RF (in order to support the Old Man) turns a blind eye to this and actually directly gives money to the budget of the Republic of Belarus. This is crazy money, very crazy ..
                      If at least 10% of that kind of money would go to Limitrofam from the Russian Federation, they would bite American ambassadors and spit in the direction of the EU.

                      Just for an idea of ​​the amount of money - when importing a Chinese workwear wagon, VAT is paid in the region of 600, but the customs duty in the region is almost 000 million

                      As for Siemens, everything is simple - when importing into the Russian Federation, all customs duties and taxes due to be paid were paid, the goods were imported into the Russian Federation completely legally, although bypassing sanctions

                      Z.Y. Believe me, I'm a customs officer (albeit a former one)
                    3. Sterkh
                      Sterkh 11 January 2018 20: 02
                      0
                      your father in the Republic of Belarus is blasphemed by anyone. Responsibly declare!
          2. Svidetel 45
            Svidetel 45 9 January 2018 20: 13
            +3
            At least we would have such “shitty” allies, and Russia would have a completely different position in the world. I see that there are many who would like to drive a wedge between the Russian Federation and Belarus. He must first of all take care of the people who entrusted him with power, you want. so that he cares more about the Russians? Well then, choose him as President of the Russian Federation, and he will take care of us better than many of those who today are at the helm of Russia's politics and economy.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 21: 03
              0
              Quote: Svidetel 45
              I see, there are many who would like to drive a wedge between the Russian Federation and Belarus

              stupidity is an ally and he is an ally in the bidet, and when he thinks of making profit as if in trouble, then this ...
              1. Sergey Cojocari
                Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 21: 23
                +2
                There are words, but unfortunately they cannot be used. Could you explain to the public exactly how Lukashenko’s “profiting” from Russia? Sells potato sour cream and milk? Does it buy oil, distill kerosene into gasoline and sell the finished product instead of crude oil? How does the Kremlin genius of the economy do this?
  13. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 9 January 2018 10: 24
    +6
    Quote: captain
    You have a red flag, and oppose the Communists. One must be given the opportunity not to die Lenin's dream. The milkmaid (combiner) corrected the state, to give the collective farm chairman to steer.

    Greetings! Yes, the fact of the matter is that he is not a communist at all. And he spoke openly about this with Solovyov. It’s just that the Communists invited him to speak with them about their program. And he was supported by a forum of participants. Because the Communist Party, headed by Zyuganov, is no longer able to nominate a more or less adequate presidential candidate, with his program. Intrigue, the pressure of the unwanted gobbled up this popular party for a long time. And now it is mainly dominated by careerists and crooks. Grudinin was a member of two parties, and did not stay anywhere. The Communist Party does not even enter. In addition, it will not change the political system, will not dekulakize the oligarchs, and will not dispute the results of privatization. In general, nothing. So why do we need such a new old broom. That the new rulers would begin to make good “overwork” ? No, let Putin finish his reign. Although there were no breakthroughs in the economy, but they didn’t live worse than under Yeltsin and Gorbachev. And during this time we’ll see what the “strawberry” oligarch Grudinin is like? he will enter the government of Putin. He knows how to do this with strong leaders.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 10: 58
      16
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Because the Communist Party, led by Zyuganov, is no longer able to nominate a more or less adequate presidential candidate with its program.

      Grudinin comes from a broad national-patriotic coalition, and the Communist Party gave, first of all, a ticket for participation, because it is pointless to collect votes with our election system if the government does not approve the candidate at first.
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Grudinin was a member of two parties, and did not stay anywhere
      One - "United Russia" and stayed there for 8 years until it was completely rotted there
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      In addition, he will not change the political system, he will not dispossess the oligarchs, he will not dispute the results of privatization.
      What are you ?! - In general, he is going to nationalize all the extractive industries, introduce a progressive school of taxation (depending on income) and force them to withdraw money from offshore companies, under the threat of prosecution.
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      No, let Putin end his reign. Although there were no breakthroughs in the economy, they did not become worse off than under Yeltsin and Gorbachev.

      This is not far off - raising the retirement age is already openly called right after the election. Well, our production fell by 3.6% in November
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Maybe he will enter Putin’s government. He knows how to do this with strong leaders.

      It is interesting to anyone ?! Everything is there, everything is already divided
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 9 January 2018 11: 18
      10
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      They didn’t live worse than under Yeltsin and Gorbachev

      what interesting opinion .....
      And let's say so ...

      When Gorbachev

      Under Yeltsin

      And once again under Yeltsin

      Under Putin .... the products are no longer interesting, here is the iPhone 7, yes, without it, well, how can I not live ...
    3. Svist
      Svist 9 January 2018 11: 26
      +7
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      he will not change the political system, he will not dekulakize the oligarchs, he will not dispute the results of privatization. In general, nothing.

      Have you read the program? I doubt it ...
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 9 January 2018 12: 22
        +1
        And you do not hesitate, read. And listened! Only lazy and deaf-blind did not read it. It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines. And walk on them. Want shocks, get it?
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 14: 53
          +7
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          And you do not hesitate, read. And listened! Only lazy and deaf-blind did not read it. It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines. And walk on them. Want shocks, get it?
          So are you afraid of upheavals, or do you want a change in the political system, with dispossession of the oligarchs, cancellation of the results of privatization ?! One without the other is impossible, the only question is how strong these upheavals will be - if power is replaced by legal means, everything can be done relatively bloodlessly
          1. 97110
            97110 9 January 2018 18: 41
            +2
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            if power is replaced by legal means, everything can be done relatively bloodlessly

            I doubt it. According to observations, the truly rich people are truly mean. He will pay the model bus without looking, because PR! But give YOURSELF? So our dreams without blood will not come true.
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 9 January 2018 10: 50
    +4
    Grudinin’s candidacy "is part of the Kremlin project to increase the voter turnout"
    ..Yes and nothing more .. We tried Sobchak, on this matter .. But it quickly became clear that in this case people simply would not go .. And then Grudinin appeared .. Former edrosovets, failed ldprovets, now close to the Communist Party, but not a communist .. Just the thing for the project ... Eh, the elections, the elections .. all the candidates to the feeding tear ... And nothing more ..
  15. groks
    groks 9 January 2018 10: 51
    +3
    What's the difference? We have the power of the oligarchs and whoever you choose, everything will be in the interests of the oligarchs. We just decided to diversify the process, how to make a show in the USA.
  16. Don Analyst
    Don Analyst 9 January 2018 11: 20
    +5
    They are not looking for good from good!
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is our president!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 9 January 2018 11: 40
      12
      Quote: Don Analyst
      наш
      Whose is yours?
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 9 January 2018 11: 55
        +6
        Quote: Greenwood
        Whose is yours?

        Ours is those who remembers how GDP pulled Russia from the edge of the abyss !!! And again brought Russia to the world stage!
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 9 January 2018 20: 35
          +8
          Quote: You Vlad
          And again brought Russia to the world stage!

          To the stage. Precisely noticed. Soon a new performance - athletes from Russia under the white flag with multi-colored rings.
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 9 January 2018 11: 59
        +3
        Ours is the citizens of Russia who are ready to vote for him.
        Let's turn on the logic.
        “Western partners”, by definition, cannot wish us well - this does not happen in the world, only tough competition between countries works. Therefore, the desperate attempts of the West to support any force, if only against Putin, tells us that it is Putin who is the one who needs it.
        1. Romey
          Romey 9 January 2018 12: 54
          13
          Quote: Mestny
          Therefore, the desperate attempts of the West to support any force, if only against Putin tells us that it is Putin who is the one who needs it.

          Medvedev, Shuvalov, Dvorkovich, Nabiullina, Oreshkin, Chubais, Rotenberg, Timchenko, Avena, Deripaska and bring them numbers is also who we need? Or raising the retirement age? The final transformation of our children in Kol from Urengoy is also probably necessary? I don’t know about us, but the West definitely needs these characters, without any speculation and lies about Grudinin. PDS NPSR and the Communist Party completely exclude the West from politics and this is one of the main program points. So, do not la la ...
      3. Sergey Cojocari
        Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 12: 27
        +3
        Donov Pedrov.
    2. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 9 January 2018 12: 31
      +1
      Take away the evil spirits!
  17. Old military officer
    Old military officer 9 January 2018 11: 23
    +6
    So far, Grudinin has only words and no deeds. And talkers, we have heard enough for our lives, especially starting with re- or disaster. I am from the older generation and besides this, I remember a lot. Mr. Grudinin is annoying me with something.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 9 January 2018 11: 41
      15
      Quote: Old Warruk
      So far, Grudinin has only words and no deeds.
      Grudinin has a successful economy, which he raised from the devastation of the 90s. And what happened with Putin in the 99th, please write. Since you "remember a lot."
      Quote: Old military instructor
      Mr. Grudinin is annoying me with something.
      You are simply afraid of change.
      1. Sergey Cojocari
        Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 12: 30
        +4
        What did Putin have 90 years ?? We find out when he will surrender his post, one way or another.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 9 January 2018 14: 59
          12
          Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
          What did Putin have 90 years ?? We find out when he will surrender his post, one way or another.
          It’s better not to ask - it’s not for nothing that the Sobchak-Putin team lost to Yakovlev in the elections to the governors of St. Petersburg. Already so guided for the previous term that the inhabitants of the Northern capital sent them to hell
          1. Sergey Cojocari
            Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 17: 11
            +3
            Russians have such a tradition, asking AFTER, not BEFORE, or IN TIME.
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 January 2018 11: 32
    +5
    President Putin’s new critic Pavel Grudinin, American press writes
    Well, if the Americans began to show increased interest in this figure, then not everything is as simple as it seems. Although the Americans today would be just someone, but most importantly, not GDP.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 9 January 2018 20: 47
      +5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Well, if the Americans began to show increased interest in this figure, then not everything is as simple as it seems.

      If Americans begin to show increased interest in the fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun, is the fact that the planet moves in orbit also considered ambiguous?
  19. Don Analyst
    Don Analyst 9 January 2018 11: 35
    +5
    For twenty years, Russians have begun to live more comfortably and there are material wealth - if compared with the Soviet period.
    But there is no that confidence in tomorrow, there is no social security, not enough care for all social groups.
    Overnight, you can stay with your bare ass - and this is due to the difficult term "market economy".
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 11: 41
      +7
      Quote: Don Analyst
      For twenty years, Russians have begun to live more comfortably and there are material wealth - if compared with the Soviet period.

      so you can not compare
      the Soviet Union lived more comfortably than Peter's Russia, etc.
      1. Sergey Horuzhik
        Sergey Horuzhik 9 January 2018 12: 13
        0
        Do not distort: ​​it depends on what year. Under Brezhnev, yes. And, for example, in 1932, during the mass famine and uprising of workers in the Ivanovo region (https://historical-fact.livejournal.com/26415.ht
        ml), but no.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 14: 28
          +2
          Quote: Sergey Horuzhyk
          And, for example, in 1932, during the mass famine and the uprising of workers in the Ivanovo region

          still yes
          besides, the kulaks didn’t produce anything at all, the kulak is a rural moneylender
          1. Svist
            Svist 9 January 2018 18: 01
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            besides, the kulaks didn’t produce anything at all, the kulak is a rural moneylender

            Do you know why prosperous peasants called fists?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 18: 53
              +2
              once again, the "fist" is a rural moneylender, moreover, they tried to fight them back in the Republic of Ingushetia, and they called the world-eaters just for their activities
              1. Svist
                Svist 10 January 2018 11: 06
                +1
                Even the Bolsheviks divided the kulaks into three groups. Someone was imprisoned or liquidated, others were exiled to Siberia, and others were simply dispossessed, like my great-grandfather. He did not keep farm laborers, his workers were in short supply. The family was big. He served in the army of the Russian Empire for 25 years, St. George Knight. The cattle, horses were taken to the collective farm and left alone.
                And the expression "fist" came from the fact that the palms did not open to the end, from corns. So fist fist strife.
  20. shura7782
    shura7782 9 January 2018 11: 36
    +5
    No matter how they vote, the calculations will be in the direction of GDP. Counted kernels will work out their bread. Putin Grudinin will not leave without attention and will act as in due time with Biloyom and Rogozin. He will put it higher, and then lower it to a safe height so that the people will have the worst impression about him. In short, a very cunning person. bully
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 9 January 2018 11: 40
      +3
      Quote: shura7782
      No matter how they vote, the calculations will be in the direction of GDP. Counted kernels will work out their bread.

      let’s not ravings, tea is not “ear” already tired of these nonsense about postscripts and calculations
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  22. a.sirin
    a.sirin 9 January 2018 11: 43
    12
    As an entrepreneur - not the smallest one - and the consistent "lover of the Communists" I declare that Grudinin (if, of course, his words are his moral and political position is the same) will suit me as president. Such a thoughtful, frank and realistic position can and should be supported.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 9 January 2018 16: 54
      0
      Quote: a.sirin
      Such a thoughtful, frank and realistic position can and should be supported.

      You know, if YOU supported him, then I’m probably not going to vote for him ...
      1. a.sirin
        a.sirin 9 January 2018 17: 36
        +1
        Thank you for your frankness. By the way, I plan (for now) for Sobchachka
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 10 January 2018 08: 44
          +1
          Quote: a.sirin
          By the way, I plan (for now) for Sobchachka

          "A fairy tale ... b ... And why was he only released from the hospital?" I didn’t want to insult, I just remembered the quote.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 10 January 2018 12: 44
            +1
            Sobchak will lead Russia to the triumph of democracy and universal values, and it is worth a lot. I, too, for Sobchak! lol
          2. a.sirin
            a.sirin 12 January 2018 02: 26
            +1
            I understand that they did not want to. Try to create / come up with something of your own, rather than "quote quotes."
  23. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 11: 50
    14
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    210quq Today, 09:12 ↑ New
    And everything in politics is muddy. And Putin is the first on this list.
    Well, at least some things are visible behind Putin, but what is Grudinin’s acre PR? I already wrote that being a good chairman of a state farm does not mean being a good president of Russia. The scale you know is not the same. To begin with, he would have to get experience at least by the ministry. And in foreign policy, he is zero without a wand.


    It seems that behind Putin is a huge amount of completed work. Who knew Mr. Putin before Yeltsin’s pillar of Russian democracy fell on him? And Suddenly, barely pulling himself on the “Monomakh Hat”, he turned out to be an experienced leader and no less experienced politician
    1. Romey
      Romey 9 January 2018 12: 28
      11
      Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      210quq Today, 09:12 ↑ New
      And everything in politics is muddy. And Putin is the first on this list.
      Well, at least some things are visible behind Putin, but what is Grudinin’s acre PR? I already wrote that being a good chairman of a state farm does not mean being a good president of Russia. The scale you know is not the same. To begin with, he would have to get experience at least by the ministry. And in foreign policy, he is zero without a wand.

      It seems that behind Putin is a huge amount of completed work. Who knew Mr. Putin before Yeltsin’s pillar of Russian democracy fell on him? And Suddenly, barely pulling himself on the “Monomakh Hat”, he turned out to be an experienced leader and no less experienced politician

      Well, Putin really did a lot of business ... Education and healthcare, forestry and the civil aviation industry were ruined. And this is done under fanfare. This must be able to. The Russian Federation at the moment is just a copy of the Qing Empire at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century with all that it implies. It even came to the lease of territories in the form of so-called TOPs. Putin and Medvedev are simply the reincarnation of Tsy Xi and Lee Hong Zhang. Those, too, were known as knees. And even with Crimea a similar story. The Chinese comprador oligarchy and the Dawai princes were very fond of high-profile actions in Xinjiang and Mongolia.
  24. Sergey Horuzhik
    Sergey Horuzhik 9 January 2018 12: 09
    +1
    A female accountant exposes a session of black magic from the sternum: https: //cont.ws/@glavbushka/808987
    1. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 12: 43
      +7
      AND??? woman exposed .... and ??? Where is the prosecutor? If all this were true, Grudinin would have lived in a cell in Sailor's Silence! Liars are shameful!
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 9 January 2018 13: 36
      +2
      Watch for free, without registration and SMS !!!
  25. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 9 January 2018 12: 15
    +3


    Since 1997, he was elected three times as a deputy of the Moscow Regional Duma from United Russia, where he worked until 2011. Then he asked Zhirinovsky “to consider the possibility of joining the ranks of the Liberal Democratic Party of the employees of Lenin State Farm CJSC”.
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    What are you ?! - In general, he is going to nationalize all the extractive industries, introduce a progressive school of taxation (depending on income) and force them to withdraw money from offshore companies, under the threat of prosecution.

    To promise does not mean to marry. Do you not know such a proverb, especially among politicians? I will see how he can do this without changing the political system?
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    It is interesting to anyone ?! Everything is there, everything is already divided

    And you ask Rogozin. His program was worse than Grudininsky. And the Rodina party was the third force, if you remember. I voted for him then. And he sold the voters with giblets.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 9 January 2018 12: 44
      +5
      And he sold voters with giblets
      ... Swan, the kingdom of heaven to him, did the same thing to his voters in due time ...
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 9 January 2018 13: 17
        +2
        Accurately said !!!!!!!
    2. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 12: 45
      +2
      Bought on blah blah. But there was a "second force" and your voice could help her become the first.
  26. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 9 January 2018 12: 36
    +3
    And everything in politics is muddy. And Putin is the first on this list.

    An oligarch-communist is better not only than an anti-communist oligarch, but better than an anti-communist proletarian and incomparably better than a general secretary or member of the CPSU political bureau-anti-communist (Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shevardnadze, Yakovlev, and so on).
    The oligarch-communist Engels, the landowner-communist Lenin, the seminarian-communist Stalin, Castro and so on.
  27. bagel
    bagel 9 January 2018 12: 41
    +2
    "Everything is known in comparison"
    What is the difference between the "oligarch Grudinin" and his actions from the "oligarchs of Putin" and their actions?
    How do they relate to their servants?
    What salaries do they pay?
    How do they communicate with their workers?
    What are the conditions of their servants?

    And do you really think Putin is behind all politics? Any president has a bunch of assistants, based on Putin’s reluctance to communicate openly with his rivals, and analyzing his “appeals,” “direct line,” and “conferences,” he mostly reads “jagged speeches” that were most likely composed by his aides.
  28. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 12: 56
    11
    If elections were being held for whom did you vote?
    Total members: 32
    12 869- for Grudinin

    Putin V.V.- 16852

    Another candidate 2
    Voting at Odnoklassniki And these are comrade officers, with the total use by the applicant of the AUTHORITY, an administrative resource ...
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 9 January 2018 13: 55
      +2
      I won’t even ask for a reference to this poll. Because I’m already tired of enlightening for the promotion of ratings and websites.
      1. albert
        albert 9 January 2018 20: 06
        +4
        You can create a topic on VO with such a poll. We will see how people think here. Still, a large site. And it seems Putin fans will be disappointed wink
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 10 January 2018 06: 54
          0
          Read my previous post and try to understand what I meant there. There will be no free lectures for the naive and ideological.
  29. peta locksmith
    peta locksmith 9 January 2018 13: 07
    +2
    CJSC "State Farm named after VILenin" - NOT a state farm, but a closed-joint-stock company
    It is interesting, and who are the shareholders of CJSC?
    on the lands of the state farm http://sovhozlenina.ru/ - shared construction - not for the villagers - it means there is a construction lobby - Grudinin feeds all kinds of corporations sitting on the bowels - obviously Grudinin spins their money in his powerful greenhouse economy, etc. d. etc.
    the remainder - closed shareholders for Grudinin "had a big deal" with Zyuganov
    and most likely, the Guarantor knows who and what promised Zyuganov for supporting Grudinin
    Grudinin may be good on Medvedev's place (I emphasize - maybe) and something is very doubtful
    1. shura7782
      shura7782 9 January 2018 13: 40
      0
      Yes! Bear is power !!! laughing
      1. peta locksmith
        peta locksmith 9 January 2018 15: 58
        +1
        that’s it and it is a bear in its place of the collective farm; nothing can be done, and if it changes its name from the director of the state farm to the chairman of the collective farm — that is, reigns-well, nothing can be done, so where else to climb into the Presidential Office - I would sit on my strawberry field and make cheese
        no, swings!
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 9 January 2018 16: 12
          +5
          strawberry field
          here and sit on your locksmith's priest and do not cross over on the Internet.
          1. peta locksmith
            peta locksmith 9 January 2018 17: 44
            0
            rudeness even gardamirs with a red flag does not decorate
            and there’s nothing to shake with relics - gardamir - ha - where you got it - I suppose all the dictionaries were worn out while they were found - and they attached a solstice icon or is it a cart wheel?
            yes - Petka - locksmith - where are we, ordinary people, up to such monsters as gardamir

            gardamir - a neo-neologism + a red flag and on top a wheel from a witch’s chariot! moreover, in an incomprehensible language

            holy holy Lord, carry it!
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 9 January 2018 18: 26
              +6
              holy holy
              Ek takes you apart. You have appropriated the right to be rude from left to right, but do not touch you.
        2. shura7782
          shura7782 9 January 2018 20: 57
          +4
          Quote: Petya Locksmith
          that’s it and it is a bear in its place of the collective farm; nothing can be done, and if it changes its name from the director of the state farm to the chairman of the collective farm — that is, reigns-well, nothing can be done, so where else to climb into the Presidential Office - I would sit on my strawberry field and make cheese
          no, swings!

          Dear, Petka locksmith. Perhaps, with their friends from the brigade, they still have not left the state of the holiday. Understand. But still, please bother rereading your post. By God. Some clogged nonsense in one sentence. Although the low flight of your thoughts is understandable.
          1. peta locksmith
            peta locksmith 10 January 2018 12: 08
            0
            low flight of yours or yours is not clear what is also clear

            interesting, but if I were called not petka-locksmith-and vaska-cat- what would be the comments from you and the guard?

            about you with a gardamir right according to Einstein
            “Only the Universe and human stupidity are infinite, and at the same time I have doubts about the infinity of the first of them” (these are all not Einstein’s words)

            help for you with gardamir
            Albert Einstein (German: Albert Einstein)
            (March 14, 1879, Ulm, Württemberg, Germany - April 18, 1955, Princeton, New Jersey, USA)

            One of the founders of modern theoretical physics, a Nobel laureate in physics in 1921, a social activist and humanist. He lived in Germany (1879-1893, 1914-1933), Switzerland (1893-1914) and the United States (1933-1955). Honorary Doctor of about 20 leading universities in the world, a member of many Academies of Sciences, including a foreign honorary member of the USSR Academy of Sciences (1926).
  30. enmesher
    enmesher 9 January 2018 13: 26
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Greenwood
    Behind Grudinin, an enterprise successfully functioning in the conditions of Russian wild capitalism


    Behind Grudinin, the Potemkin village, it is not clear what money was built (just don’t need about strawberries, ogs).
    Also "behind Grudinim" ... Michael McFaul, who is fondly loving him, who, as you know, sincerely wishes Russia all the very best:

    And this is just what lies on the surface yes

    Do Americans sympathize with the communists? My brain powerfully jerked!)))
    1. your1970
      your1970 9 January 2018 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: enmesher
      Do Americans sympathize with the communists? My brain powerfully jerked!)))
      "Where did you see the Communists in the Communist Party? With what fright did you decide that Grudinin was a communist?"
  31. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 9 January 2018 13: 28
    +2
    To build developed socialism on a strawberry near Moscow, in a separate company with a high-profile name “Lenin State Farm”. Ilyich, poor fellow, go dodge in the sarcophagus ...
  32. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 9 January 2018 13: 33
    +2
    When Putin became acting, the country was in a deep ass in all respects. Nobody really knew Putin then, and there wasn’t any kind of trust in him, but I remember such conversations: "Yeltsin is a protege, but he seems to be a KGB officer. Maybe he will put things in order." That’s what people pecked at and that’s what his PR specialists played on. But then it was not up to the election. Then it was decided to be a country or not to be. And now we are choosing. Let with forgeries, fraud, but CHOOSE. And Grudinin must both verbally and de facto prove that he is worthy to be president, and not mutter the same slogans that all candidates have almost a carbon copy, with slight differences. If he said directly on the air that something like the famous Churchill speech of 1940, I would go after him, because it would be clear that the person is serious. At least PERSONALLY HE is serious. Because now for any aspiring politician, such words are political suicide. Instead, he throws standard populist promises. Such a person is already unworthy of trust. Similar populism is enough under the current regime.
    1. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 13: 49
      11
      Maybe you need to require Putin to participate in the debate? And then voters will personally see which of Hu’s candidates?
      1. Maalkavianin
        Maalkavianin 9 January 2018 13: 56
        +1
        The debate between Grudinin and Putin is like a fight between a child and the CCM boxing.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 9 January 2018 23: 59
          +1
          who will win?
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 9 January 2018 20: 56
        +6
        Quote: Sergey Cojokar
        Maybe you need to require Putin to participate in the debate?

        You don’t have a heart. Putin has debatophobia.
        1. Sergey Cojocari
          Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 21: 32
          +1
          I remember the debate between Gaidar and the representative of the Communist Party. The representative, "killed" Gaidar, with one question, - Did you have a nanny in your childhood?
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 9 January 2018 13: 55
      +9
      And now, when there is a chance for a change in the situation, by the way of the same deep ass, you should not throw such accusations as populism.
      Grudinin is not alone, he is in a team of sensible specialists, and he himself is not a talker, but a man of work.
      And I am sure of his victory. Grudinin, like the whole country (with the exception of the liberal-bureaucratic thieves' gang and the service staff), is a candidate for the bulk of the people.
      And our responsibility is to help him and the team win.
      And today, as in the 30s, the slogan of revolutionary Spain is again relevant: "Victory or death!"
      That is how things are in the country. Either we, the people, will win, or we will have a slow and humiliating fading that will end in the death of the country. Do not flatter yourself with illusions about the patriotic bonds of oligarchs and educators, scientists, engineers, workers and peasants. Therefore, everything is for the elections, there is very little time, and the enemy is vile and treacherous.
      1. Maalkavianin
        Maalkavianin 9 January 2018 14: 11
        +1
        He is not a popular candidate. Until recently, very few knew about its existence. Spin it began only now. Although in any case, I will follow his progress. In the end, he appeared brightly. We will see.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 January 2018 21: 52
        0
        “Grudinin is not alone, he is in a team of sensible specialists.” There, the balabol specialists are dreamers, and Grudinin is noodles on the ears of voters, who obviously have a hard time. If they were professionals in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, they would have shown it a long time ago - in fact, they would have had a much thicker program, lousy agitation - which they wave everywhere.
  33. Sedoy
    Sedoy 9 January 2018 13: 38
    +1
    build a new world ... :(

  34. kaschey
    kaschey 9 January 2018 13: 41
    0
    Grudinin’s nomination as president of the Russian Federation is a chance for Putin .....
    Of course, GDP will win in these elections, but he must certainly take Grudinin to his team, cleanse him of all the Boldyrevs, Udaltsovs, etc., thoroughly train IIIi in state affairs ......, and then this is completely different story....
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 9 January 2018 20: 58
      +4
      Quote: kaschey
      thoroughly train in government affairs

      Personally will train? or trust Shuvalov with DAM?
      1. Sergey Cojocari
        Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 21: 34
        +2
        Well, you, Such a thing can only be entrusted to Sechin.
  35. NordUral
    NordUral 9 January 2018 13: 43
    +9
    However, experts doubt the victory of so brave Grudinina in the elections. But he has a chance to come to the finish line in the second race. And it is also worth a lot.


    Even the Bolsheviks did not expect that they would take power in October, just as the citizens of the USSR did not think in the summer of 1991 that in a few months the Union would not become.

    And how it will be and who will become president - it depends on us, the people of Russia, depends on whether we all go to the polls and whether we vote together for a single candidate from the bloc of all patriots of Russia.

    For the first time in a quarter of a century a country has appeared in our country and a worthy candidate (and a team of like-minded people) who are capable of leading the country to revival.
    And we will not be idiots, repeating the mistakes of the past. Need to go and vote. Otherwise, the country will experience slow fading, poverty and decay.
    1. ololo
      ololo 9 January 2018 18: 57
      +1
      So big, but you believe in fairy tales ... Santa Claus brought a gift at least?
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 9 January 2018 21: 04
      +4
      Quote: NordUral
      Otherwise, the country will experience slow fading, poverty and decay.

      This is a key point. The layman agrees to a slow fading - Putin's stability. Poverty is a loose concept, and it is not today that decays.
      1. ololo
        ololo 5 June 2018 22: 27
        0
        The layman is overdue. And probably on purpose.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 5 June 2018 22: 33
          0
          Quote: ololo
          Everyman zadrochel

          Are you about yourself now?
          I’d personally be offended ... and it hurts yes
          As for the "layman" - IMHO, even in comparison with the late Union, the layman is now completely spoiled. It is not enough for the layman to have entertainment centers. The average person needs to comply with safety standards and SNIPs, for example, during their construction.
          There are no words request
  36. Don Analyst
    Don Analyst 9 January 2018 14: 19
    0
    They are not looking for good from good!
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is our president!
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 9 January 2018 21: 09
      +9
      Quote: Don Analyst
      Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is our president!

      And Medvedev (Kudrin, Shuvalov) is your prime minister. Nabiulina is your Central Bank, Edrosi is your parliament, Solzhenitsyn is your writer, and those omitted under the white flag are your Olympians.
    2. AUL
      AUL 9 January 2018 22: 47
      +5
      Quote: Don Analyst
      Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is our president!

      And you, in fact, who?
  37. White53
    White53 9 January 2018 15: 57
    +7
    Quote: you Vlad
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Well, if you do not withdraw money to offshore, then you can build it - it's in rubles.

    And here it is? It’s about the fact that he is a simple privatizer who rose (made a miracle, a showcase for political ambitions) not on strawberries (agriculture), but corny on leasing and selling land!

    You, I see, are a great connoisseur of agriculture! What kind of privatization is it if you plow from early morning until night! Why didn’t others make such “shop windows” in the countryside? Because for this you need to have a conscience, intelligence, honor and love for the Motherland ( all senses and sizes)!
  38. Bosch
    Bosch 9 January 2018 17: 06
    0
    The script is written overseas, the roles are painted. Since 1985
  39. ololo
    ololo 9 January 2018 18: 56
    0
    And it’s true that they just won’t do anything just to turn up the appearance ...
  40. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 9 January 2018 19: 08
    +6
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Gardamir Today, 15:32 ↑
    It’s more like your ideal, Mr. Putin, who is feeding the oligarchs.
    I get the impression that you and Stroporez have the same face, painfully the slogans you have are the same, the style is like a carbon paper, and the intellect is no different. This is the first.
    And secondly, whoever comes to power will dance to the tune of the oligarchs. If you think that it will be otherwise and the same Grudinin will come and disperse all the oligarchs, return the bowels of the country, and the factories and workers, then you are either round fool , or the same provocateur as Stroporez.

    I'm so tired of this blatant rudeness. angry
    You carry a Zaputinsky blizzard, making a meaningful appearance, while dressing for a communist.
    You still have 6 years to climb from the fours on which you stand so confidently. And I don’t really .. it doesn’t matter how you vote there, but most likely for Friedman, Sechin, Medvedev, Kinder-surprise, come on, go ahead ....
  41. gladcu2
    gladcu2 9 January 2018 19: 35
    0
    There is a good article on KONTEi about this werewolf of the communist oligarch.
  42. lidda47
    lidda47 9 January 2018 19: 40
    0
    Type of "making fun of ... criticizing" the oligarchs? But he himself is a tractor driver of the collective farm MTS, right? Insanity is already going off scale really nowhere !!!
  43. Jarilo
    Jarilo 9 January 2018 19: 40
    +7
    Grudinin goes to the presidential election with the program of the Communist Party, in addition, he signed commitments to the political forces that put forward him to form a government, etc. In my opinion this is enough. Mud will be poured a lot on him now, just as on Glazyev.
    1. dog breeder
      dog breeder 9 January 2018 20: 27
      +2
      A person who has not previously been involved in this party, suddenly goes to the polls with the program of this party! Has matured? Well no! More like a woman with low social responsibility from politics!
  44. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 9 January 2018 19: 41
    +4
    woron333444,
    Well, the genius of the two first persons of the state is extremely great. In your. They can do everything. I’d like to make sure on which shoulder ...
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    1. Karabin
      Karabin 9 January 2018 21: 19
      +7
      Quote: YanaKolos
      Without Putin, Russia would not exist for a long time

      How much pathos, then. How did Russia manage without the Savior before?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 21: 33
        +5
        Quote: Karabin
        How did Russia manage without the Savior before?

        After two ... unfinished - Tagged and Drunk, should someone have been raking what they dung?
        So I had to gross ... GDP.
        And it turned out, oddly enough.
        Dispute? wink
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 9 January 2018 22: 31
          +5
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And it turned out, oddly enough.

          What happened?. The lads decided not to finish the country, but also to milk as much as possible. Here and the price of oil by the way. Well, you, sick, threw the crumbs from the master's table. And what would not seem a little remember the 90s and see how the xoxls do. That’s the whole horizon of the Zaputinians. What kind of development, what kind of progress. And so good.
          After two ... unfinished - Tagged and Drunk,

          You are a strange people, zaputintsy. Your GDP for your money rebuffed a whole EBN center. He reads Boris Nikolaevich, and you call Borka a drunkard and unfinished.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 22: 34
            +6
            KarabinI beg you to stop ...
            I have to sleep in an hour at most, and get up at half past five ... and here you are telling jokes.
            Really funny good
            But I still haven’t learned to sleep laughing request
  46. Andrey Sanych
    Andrey Sanych 9 January 2018 19: 51
    +2
    Putin. The path https://youtu.be/XHuakm12asg?t=159 Grudin https://youtu.be/WSEdNmacLQ4?t=56 One combiner already put us a pig.
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 9 January 2018 22: 54
      0
      Well, this one, you see, is not sowing corn all over, but strawberries.
  47. CHRICK
    CHRICK 9 January 2018 19: 52
    0
    If the latter is the president, it will become a link for all Russian liberals to Siberia to bring down pine trees and dry swamps under the highway,. The Power of Siberia.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 January 2018 21: 57
      0
      Yes, yes, yes - often repeat the above stated in front of the mirror, this only happens in a fairy tale, but reality will not be a fairy tale.
  48. istepanov
    istepanov 9 January 2018 19: 54
    +1
    Had a communist and / or dreamer! Dressed on sabers, the sternum is pushed ahead of itself by the Boldyrevskaya gang, played by the Skolkovo autobus rammed the Slavyanskiy Boulevard, a reserve of Chubaisoids with the Latin American scenario of the 2nd - TNK investment model of the colonization.
    For the second week, the eloquent bacchanalia has been seething on Jewish liberal resources, the theme is "all for boldyreva (sternum)" in three to five variations in the top of Jewish media. to believe that being unbiased in your right mind is impossible, and formal logic presents a bunch of full-time paisars, 24/7, forging the image of a "communist-dreamer."
    It is reliably clear that the scenario of the first elections of Yanukovych in 2004 is being played out, when the Jewish “opposition”, under the threat of the Maidan, will not accept any result other than the third - fourth - fifth round, until it wins. Or Putin, frightened by such a situation, will be deprived of such insignificant independence, which after the report of the Club of Rome is clear to everyone, is needed only for a powerful eco-social reform, the project of which has been hiding with the "Nurey" liquid-minded creature for three years and one month now.
    In such a situation, A. Bortnikov should not be “blamed” for an article about Stalin’s successes, but should fulfill his direct duties to protect state security.
  49. weksha50
    weksha50 9 January 2018 20: 10
    +2
    “And now Grudinin has appeared. How genuine is he, claiming that he really wants to replace Putin? "...

    More recently, he expressed his attitude both to different candidates for the presidency, and about the Jesuits from religious movements ...

    The essence is the same everywhere - power and money ...


    “China has managed to become one of the leading economic powers of the world, but Russia”...

    With the current greedy, selfish "elite" of Russia, you can never see such an economic breakthrough that China has managed to make ...

    But the cursed Gorbi in words seemed to have hinted at such a thing - capitalism with a human face (in my concept - socialist, social) ... Yes, it took not just a country into a dead end, but into a precipice ...

    There is also an opinion that Comrade Grudinin is not an independent candidate, but a “Kremlin project” ....

    Here we can agree with this ... And they came up with it - Sobchachka is a Kremlin project ... It's not even funny ... hi
  50. dog breeder
    dog breeder 9 January 2018 20: 20
    +3
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Stroporez Today, 14:45 ↑
    I read your comments and I think that your ideal is liberal Putin.
    You personally can think what you want. Love for the USSR, Comrade Stalin and the communist ideals does not make me blind and, unlike you, I do not throw empty and meaningless slogans. The situation must be analyzed, understood at what time and in what realities you live, and not put up your Wishlist, as a great blessing for the country.
    In the realities of modern Russia, there is no alternative to Putin yet. Any attempt to conduct a revolution from below will lead to a new civil war with unpredictable results. If you do not understand this, then to put it mildly, you are not an intelligent person, but if you understand, then you are a provocateur and are no different from liberalism, which wants the collapse and ruin of Russia.

    Now replacing Putin with any of these characters could lead to a collapse in Russia! There are enough problems: the Kuril Islands, Crimea, Donbass, the shelves of the seas, the Middle East, the Far East, the inner fifth column, the economy ...