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The second facet of the Raptor incident in the sky above the Euphrates: an unvarnished assessment. Future denouement prospects in Syria

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As was originally known, the anti-terrorist operation of the Syrian Arab army and its friendly units with the support of the Russian Air Force in the Syrian theater of operations was undertaken with the aim of eliminating the largest terrorist wing of ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation), which successfully feeds similar cells in the countries of the Near East and Central Asia. This fact was confirmed immediately after the receipt of information on the material and technical support of the pseudo-caliphate using the military transport aviation US Air Force, which for a long time delivered thousands of tons of humanitarian aid to the territory controlled by IS weaponas well as modern digital radio communications and network-centric equipment for the exchange of tactical information.

In parallel with the suppression of thousands of terrorist enclaves, the Russian military contingent in Syria also solved another, no less important strategic task: on the basis of a military airfield in Khmeimim and a naval base / military-industrial complex in Tartus, it secured a long-term presence in the Middle East region, allowing careful monitoring of the actions of the combined NATO Navy in the East The Mediterranean. First of all, this concerns the establishment of A2AD submarine borders to deter American SSBN carriers of strategic cruise missiles BGM-109E "Tomahawk Block IV" in the central part of the Mediterranean Sea by means of ultra-low-noise diesel-electric submarines on alert, Project 636.3 Varshavyanka and patrolling anti-submarine aircraft Il -38N. From these lines, the possibility of massive missile attacks on Central Russia, the Krasnodar Territory and the Volga region with the American fleet decreases to zero, which in a global conflict will significantly increase the survivability of our air defense due to the unloading of dozens of anti-aircraft missile divisions and regiments in the Southern Military District.

Secondly, the continued presence in Syria of Russian military infrastructure, tactical air wing and contingent has an excellent deterrent effect on the Syrian Democratic Forces (Kurdish YPG / YPJ units), supported by the Marine Corps and the US Special Operations Forces and planning a large-scale offensive operation on the territory belonging to the pro-Turkish "Syrian Free Army", as well as controlled by the Syrian government forces. The opinion of some of our and Syrian experts, as well as delusional media conversations that the Kurds are ready to unite with the Syrian government forces in order to coexist quietly with Turkey, Iraq and Iran, is absolutely inconsistent with the real situation. So, for example, January 7, 2018, news The resource www.iarex.ru, citing the Asharq al-Awsat inter-Arab newspaper, reported on the upcoming publication by the Trump administration of an American vision of the partition model of Syrian territory. In simpler terms, Washington and the Pentagon will put all the "players" in the Asian region before the fact that more than 24 thousand square meters. km of Syrian territory east of the Euphrates (in the provinces of Raqqah, Deir ez-Zor and Hasek) are under the direct control of the US Armed Forces and the Kurdish units forming the SDF. The remaining territories east and north of the Euphrates will be controlled by the SDS with American military support.

In addition, on the basis of the Kurdish detachments (at the official level) and the militants of the IG / "Dzhebhat an-Nusra" (unofficial), the Pentagon and the special services of Western European states are already creating such military formations as the "New Syrian Army" (NSA) and "The Army the north of Syria ”, ultimately, according to the White House, they should become a full-fledged Armed Forces of Syrian Kurdistan, which is the so-called democratic confederation. To exclude the likelihood of an offensive by the Turkish and Syrian armies, Washington decided to take extreme measures. In particular, according to the statement of US Secretary of Defense James Mattis, not only US military instructors will go to Rozava, but also an impressive US diplomatic corps, permanently consolidating the US presence in the Syrian Arab Republic. Unfortunately, this event parries a statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin, made at a press conference following the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Summit, in which our leader stressed that with the joint efforts of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Armed Forces, they managed to "preserve the territory of Syria." In fact, more than a third of the territory is now controlled by the Americans.

And as we understand from the example of the 23 incident of November 2017 of the year in the airspace over the west coast of the Euphrates (over the neighborhood of Meyadin), the US command in Syria will be extremely sensitive not only to crossing the air borders over the Euphrates, but also to a regular approach to by him. During the spot work of a pair of Su-25 attack aircraft along the ISIS fortified area, an American F-22A Raptor air superiority fighter suddenly appeared at the riverbed. Using sophisticated wing mechanization (advanced ailerons, flaperons and socks), as well as an elevation-controlled thrust vector, the American pilot began to perform unprofessional and aggressive maneuvering next to our assault link "Rooks". Also in the course went infrared traps. In other words, "Raptor" created difficulties to carry out a strike on the object of terrorists.

However, this is not surprising given the events taking place in Al-Shadlah during the storming of Abu Kemal, when ISIS groups escaped from the city on the eastern bank of the Euphrates under the protection of the British SAS and the American F-15C / E air guards were evacuated in the direction of Haseke province where they are now safely preparing for the transition to a new “level” of militants under American law. It was after the incident with Raptor that we first heard from the mouth of the representative of the Central Command of the US Armed Forces, Damien Pikart, a very curious and revealing statement about the alleged "violation of US airspace over the eastern coast of the Euphrates by Russian military aircraft" Just imagine, it turns out that after several years of illegal presence in Syria, the US armed forces even managed to designate their own airspace here! And, in particular, where there are unfinished Igilov "boilers"! The thought is very clear.

We will move from the military-political aspects to the review of the tactical and technical details of the incident with "Dryers" and "Raptor". It is known that some time after the start of the dangerous maneuvers F-22A, the multi-purpose fighter Su-35С “Flanker-E +” of the Air Force of Russia promptly arrived in the Meyadin area. The car moved closer to the “American” at a distance of visual visibility and the possibility of entering the dogfight / dog dump (near air), which eventually cooled the heat of the latter and the Raptor withdrew in the direction of the airspace of Iraq and Saudi Arabia. The result is quite expected, since in the conventional melee air combat, the F-22A had practically no chance of “taking the tail” of our “Flanker”. Vserakursny thrust vectoring two turbofan engines AL-41F1S (15 of degrees in elevation and azimuth plane with an angular velocity 60 deg / s) makes Su-35S in 3 times more responsive to movements of the control handle machine than the F-22A. For its F119-PW-100 engines, the OVT system works only in the elevation (vertical) plane, while the turning speed is only 20 degrees / s (1 / 3 from Su-35С indicators). It is for this reason that such complex maneuvers as the Cobra Pugachev and Chakra Frolov, F-22A performs only partially, as well as more viscous and slower than Su-35С. All this can be observed and carried out a comparative analysis, looking at the “YouTube” video footage made at various international aerospace shows.

The two main advantages of the Su-35C in melee are also: advanced statically unstable glider with developed influxes at the root of the wing and a “supporting” fuselage (creates more 35% lift and provides a greater speed of steady reversal) "Sura-M", synchronized with the optical-electronic sighting system OLS-35 and infrared homing heads "Mayak" / OGS MK-80 R-73RMD-2 missiles.

Also, let's hasten to knock off an excessive share of the pathos from those “experts” who claimed that the Raptor, using the on-board AN / ALR-94 passive electronic intelligence complex, revealed the main modes of operation of the on-board radar with the Irbis-E RPF. There are no fools among the command of our VKS, and with 100% probability it can be argued that the pilot Su-35С received target designation from the DRLOU A-50U aircraft, as well as by radio communication from the Rooks themselves when entering the air section of the incident at that time as an onboard radar was not used. When approaching the 100 – 80 km distance, the OLS-35 infrared channel was used to clarify the coordinates and tracking of the aggressor, which did not give the Raptor pilot any valuable information about the Su-35С radar profile (except for the EPR). It is obvious that the American pilot also did not use the active mode of the AN / APG-77 radar, focusing on the E-3G data, operating several hundred kilometers from Meyadin.


Established suspension of our Su-35С in Syria: Р-27Т is clearly not enough for a collision with the Raptors at medium and long distances


If we consider the possibility of such an incident in an escalation situation, then everything would have gone according to a completely different scenario. First, the Rooks would have been escorted in advance by a pair or a full-fledged Su-35C link. "Raptor" would also be present in the amount of not one machine, but at least a full-fledged unit of the four fighters. And as strange as it may sound to our patriotic patriots now, in this case all the trump cards would be in the hands of the overseas aggressor. Using its small EPR in 0,07 - 0,1 m2, as well as targeting from third-party sources (coming through the Link-16 channel in the passive mode), F-22A could perform a hidden launch of AIM-120D AMRAAM long-range guided air combat missiles from a distance more 150 km, without using APG-77. Our A-50U, which illuminates the air situation for “Dryers”, would also be found by the “Raptors” and the approaching AMRAAMs, but at a distance of about 100 — 120 km. The response of the Su-35C is not so difficult to predict. Dodging AIM-120D, our pilots would launch the P-27EP or RVV-SD missiles in the direction of the Raptors. But the range of their effective action at medium altitudes is about 80 — 90 km, then - ballistic braking and critical speed loss. As a result, there is the danger of being destroyed by more distant and energetic AMRAAMs, and the possibility of destroying at least a couple of machines of the 5 generation of the enemy is practically nil.

The panacea for the above-mentioned problems remains the same: the quickest bringing to mind the long-range air-to-air missiles RVV-AE-PD with an integral-type rocket-ramjet engine (for countering the AIM-120D and MBDA “Meteor” abilities), installing highly sensitive infrared fighters on fighters stations detecting torches of launching missiles beyond visual visibility, as well as maintaining the Syrian group of Aerospace Forces A-50U aircraft, the removal of which can lead to extremely negative consequences.

Information sources:
https://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/2132178.html
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f22.html
http://www.iarex.ru/news/55088.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 9 January 2018 15: 17
    16
    Using my small ESR in 0,07 - 0,1 m2,

    Where is the firewood? And a strange thing, at first the mattresses claimed 0,01 m, now the data is completely different ... but if you listen to what the representatives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau say, then it turns out that the EPL of the lizard is about the same as that of the SU-57 , that is, 0,3-0,4 m ... and this is not in all projections.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 9 January 2018 15: 33
      +6
      That's it! it is precisely under the strictly 0th angle and the blindfold of the seeker ...
      Slightly slightly different frequency of the radiation survey radar and ...
      1. opus
        opus 9 January 2018 23: 47
        +4
        Quote: Vlad.by
        Slightly slightly different frequency of the radiation survey radar and ...

        what "survey" radar on
        using the example of the 23 incident of November 2017 in airspace over the west coast of the Euphrates (over the neighborhood of Meyadin), the US command in Syria would be extremely painful not only to cross the air borders over the Euphrates, but also to approach them regularly. In the course of the spot work a pair of attack aircraft Su-25 Fortified by ISIS

        и
        Meyadina quickly arrived multi-role fighter Su-35С "Flanker-E +"

        Not....
        Author: Evgeny Damantsev, of course a graphomaniac, in his own style.
        But you already gave ("heat")
        and frequencies are there .... mmm

        what will it give?
        canvas (wavelength) radar are quite tightly limited
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 10 January 2018 00: 45
          0
          What is this actually?
          On the 57 Su in the wing is not an overview of the L-band radar?
          1. opus
            opus 10 January 2018 01: 10
            +4
            Quote: Vlad.by
            On the 57 Su in the wing is not an overview of the L-band radar?

            1.tried: and where is TAM (in Syria) Su-57?
            belay
            2. Wing radar with L-band AFAR
            AFAR L-band is designed for use in modern airborne radar systems. Placed in deflected socks wing aircraft. Provides electron beam scanning in a wide sector azimuth angles and in a wide frequency band.

            / I specifically identified wink /

            / JSC "SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH INSTITUTE OF INSTRUMENT-MAKING AFTER VV TIKHOMIROV"
            CE is not a review!

            ORLS mainly
            port area overview;
            review of the airfield;

            that's what i'm talking about
            3. Yes and no isho
            and article
            Quote: author
            Second face the incident with the "Raptor" in the sky over the Euphrates: assessment without embellishment. Upcoming prospects for a denouement in Syria

            here and now so to speak
        2. Now we are free
          Now we are free 10 January 2018 16: 56
          +4
          Thanks for the detailed article. How pleasant it is to read information with the features of the parties to a hypothetical conflict laid out on the shelves. The article is a definite plus! More to such in hi
          1. opus
            opus 11 January 2018 00: 39
            +2
            Quote: Now we are free
            More would such on IN

            we are ... an endangered species of homo s /
    2. Tsoy
      Tsoy 9 January 2018 16: 25
      +9
      Quote: NEXUS
      Where is the droushka?


      Knowing the author, the data from the ceiling.
    3. Shahno
      Shahno 9 January 2018 16: 50
      +3
      Nexus, and the author of the article is more likely right ..
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 January 2018 16: 52
        13
        Quote: Shahno
        Nexus, and the author of the article is more likely right ..

        Seriously? Apparently in the Sukhoi Design Bureau, the SU-57 are fighting from the flashlight, without considering what this fighter will have to deal with. And our intelligence apparently does not catch mice at all. wassat
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 9 January 2018 17: 16
          +2
          This is what 0.1 says from the most likely directions of detection angles.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 January 2018 17: 19
            18
            Quote: Shahno
            This is what 0.1 says from the most likely directions of detection angles.

            Do you naively believe that even with that incident with the lizard and the SU-35, ours did not remove the Raptor's parameters? Any military equipment is created taking into account the performance of the enemy’s equipment ... and it would be foolish to create strike complexes that would obviously not be able to fight the technique of the adversary.
            For example, I much more believe the statement of representatives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau regarding the lizard and its EPR.
            1. opus
              opus 10 January 2018 00: 30
              +4
              Quote: NEXUS
              haven't your Raptor options been removed?

              Su-35 can not "remove"
              He does not have such a function.
              The radar is simply not capable of this, and Solo-35.01, Solo-35.02-can not cope (they do not have enough memory for signatures)
              1. Konstantin Kiselev
                Konstantin Kiselev 10 January 2018 19: 37
                0
                All such SMARTsparks are already pouring from the eyes, and about [b] ROFAR don't hear prefefesira
            2. Kostya Shakhnazarov
              Kostya Shakhnazarov 11 January 2018 13: 28
              +1
              There is a Sukhoi and Su-35 design bureau, and there are radio equipment, radar equipment and backward armaments. As for the first two - also questions.
              Does Sukhoi Design Bureau have its own intelligence department, or what?
              So to say, who else here "naively believes")))
              Of course, the budget is $ 500 billion, the rich experience in the use of high-tech weapons and the best specialists are worse, dumber, more naive than the backward elemental base and destroyed industry, those who were completely killed by morality, the institution of the family, etc. They are "Tupyyyyayayaya!"))
      2. KKND
        KKND 9 January 2018 17: 55
        +2
        Quote: Shahno
        Nexus, and the author of the article is more likely right ..

        I was of a higher opinion about you. You know physics well there.
        This RIGHT Author? Feyspalm so caught schA that it became painful.
        The EPR of the Raptor can, without taking into account the scattering ability of the airframe, be 100 times less than that of a conventional aircraft, or maybe a thousand. The whole question is in the absorption of a certain range of surface waves. This is a matter of materials science. For example, without dancing with a tambourine, it is known that a black sheet of paper absorbs> 10 times more than a white one. In theory, materials can be found with absorption differences of 1000 times for a certain wavelength range. And yes, our Hebrew Jew, I know that absorption is a transfer of one wavelength range to another. So what?
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 10 January 2018 00: 49
          +1
          So what. DOR depends on length as 2p / l, l-length. DOR Raptor - in the working cm and dm range. Absorption is the law of the booger-lambert-ber, in which also the coefficient (dB / cm) depends on l. T.N. absorption spectrum.
          The process involves diffraction and scattering (molecular and re-radiation without loss of frequency), which in turn also depend on the spectrum. As a result ... EPR contains part of the information (if it is represented as a certain number).
          Quantum re-emission after absorption gives radiation with a different frequency ... Everything is simple ....
          1. Grits
            Grits 10 January 2018 17: 35
            0
            So what. DOR depends on length as 2p / l, l-length. DOR Raptor - in the working cm and dm range. Absorption is the law of the booger-lambert-ber, in which also the coefficient (dB / cm) depends on l. T.N. absorption spectrum.
            The process involves diffraction and scattering (molecular and re-radiation without loss of frequency), which in turn also depend on the spectrum. As a result ... EPR contains part of the information (if it is represented as a certain number).
            Quantum re-emission after absorption gives radiation with a different frequency ... Everything is simple ....


            Of course, simple. Elementary. So I think, can re-read it again - maybe it will become a little clearer? repeat Nah. not worth it ....
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 9 January 2018 23: 15
        0
        Here I have to agree.
      4. opus
        opus 10 January 2018 00: 13
        +6
        Quote: Shahno
        and the author of the article is more likely right.

        than?
        Quote: Author
        Using my small ESR in 0,07 - 0,1 m2, as well as targeting from third-party sources (coming through the Link-16 channel in passive mode), F-22A could implement Hidden launch of AIM-120D AMRAAM long-range guided air combat missiles from a distance of more than 150 km, without using APG-77

        1. And those "third-party" sources with "Link-16" not "stealth" would not be lit up on the Su-35 radar (F-15, F-16 .. were they TAM?)
        2.AIM-120D AMRAAM media - F-4, F-15 and F-16.
        "Raptor" is armed BYE AIM-120C AMRAAM (and then them not seen on it, only words) and with two AIM-9M Sidewinder there are problems of software and vibration conjugation
        from 120x, only CATM-120C-7 was observed (and even then rarely)
        "In previous tests with the C-7 (AIM-120C) measurements have shown that vibration levels at certain frequencies are harmful to rocket electronics
        said Mr. Besson (and things are there)
        AIM-120D Yingling said.

        "The cards inside are arranged differently, and we are not sure how vibro-acoustics will transmit," he said. "We needed Raytheon's modeling and assumptions."


        here is the F-22 weapon

        / Let the Author: Evgeny Damantsev photo F-22 (preferably in Syria) seems to be from AIM-120D .... tad yes
        3. Whatever Link-16 "third-party" were:
        Quote: author
        F-22A could carry out a hidden launch of long-range guided missiles of the AIM-120D AMRAAM air combat from a distance of more than 150 km, without using APG-77

        fool
        Brad (but not Pete), tk
        the transfer of the corresponding correction commands passes ONLY through the side lobes of the radar antenna of the aircraft carrier with the frequency of scanning the antenna pattern.

        so sho?
        Well, everything (except Damantseva understood)
        4. Whatever AIM-120 ** is used = the target must be higher on the flight level than the aircraft carrier 120, approximately on 2000.
        And it was?
        Shl.
        Quote: Author
        The panacea for the above problems remains the same: the quickest launch of long-range air-to-air missiles RVV-AE-PD with rocket-ramjet engine integral type (for parrying the abilities of AIM-120D and MBDA "Meteor")

        it's his horse ... everyone has his own schizo
        Quote: Author
        installation on fighters of highly sensitive infrared stations for detecting the flares of launching missiles beyond visual visibility,

        fool
        brrr.
        type infrared wave is not an EM wave (like light) and does not propagate in a straightforward way?
        nonlinear interference (Delone NB Nonlinear optics) IR spectrum opt. the waves are still not the same as the diffraction of infrared waves ... and not at all the dispersion
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 10 January 2018 01: 12
          +1
          Actually, I had in mind his opinion on EPR, only the max value. The rest of his conclusions were not even calculated.
          1. opus
            opus 10 January 2018 01: 23
            +5
            Quote: Shahno
            Actually, I meant his opinion on the EPR,

            below the plinth.
            I'm afraid he (!) Doesn't even understand this.
            Paul, you are from Israel (as I understood).
            Tell me please (I’m no joke, just as a citizen’s opinion), but willn’t “ha-Mozad le-modin u-tafkidim meyuhadim” be perceived as “against the people of Israel”, analysis of the air defense system of the SAR (ask bongo balance) with some modernization (ask the tadpoles with Geek) to shoot down LA Hel ha'Avir, in particular F-35?
            Well, very Hotz, and I feel there is such an opportunity?
            with the help of
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 10 January 2018 01: 38
              +2
              I think it will not be, within reason. Even interesting, if only analysis.
              1. opus
                opus 10 January 2018 01: 45
                +7
                Quote: Shahno
                Even interesting, if only analysis.

                Well, tady ... wait, finish with beer and minstroi, take it.
                Why am I worried then?
                1.Asad- I myself do not digest
                2.In Israel still have to go
                3.Your people have gone too far (and so not only I think), let it be a little bit oholonitsya (a little blood), but even there before the war is not far, which turn (by 99%) into WAR.
              2. KKND
                KKND 10 January 2018 14: 17
                +1
                Quote: Shahno
                I think it will not be, within reason. Even interesting, if only analysis.

                Hmm, kapets you are with opus trolls over 80lvl. But literate, so you +.
                If you say the formula for calculating the EPR depending on the electric permeability, dielectric constant and electrical conductivity of the probed object in the air (subsonic or with compaction, it makes no difference to me), my gratitude will know no bounds. I glorify beer winked .
                He didn’t find this question in our textbooks (although, I confess, I didn’t look well).
                And if something in more detail about the "cellular" structure of the radar absorbing coating is in the light of the electrical properties of the material, then I don’t know how I can thank you.
                1. opus
                  opus 11 January 2018 00: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: KKND
                  from electrical permeability, dielectric constant and electrical conductivity

                  This is already overrun.
                  1. The dielectric constant of the propagation medium of an EM wave is ONE
                  2. The electrical conductivity of the object being probed (the surface ..., the surface where the EM wave penetrates) is THIS OTHER.
                  and vaasche
                  Quote: KKND
                  in air (subsonic or sealed, I do not care)

                  wassat
                  Himself "?" asked - he answered

                  Threat №1 ... and the magnetic permeability of the boom to take into account?
                  (dig, Duc, even to the glands then)
                  Quote: KKND
                  He didn’t find this question in our textbooks (although, I confess, I didn’t look well).

                  I will try (sober) to try and explain with “bast on my knee”.
                  Stimulus is necessary ..
                  His-no .. I after the military registration and enlistment office and Syria can not move
                  Military registration
                  Are you pinned here, old?
                  At your age, bitcoins are mined, or at least airs.
                  And you, Mlyn (udod, did not say, but thought) with the crap of some "how to bring down the Israeli F-35 with the help of 5В21А? And? Inna
                  1. KKND
                    KKND 11 January 2018 01: 28
                    0
                    Quote: opus
                    Threat №1 ... and the magnetic permeability of the boom to take into account?
                    (dig, Duc, even to the glands then)

                    I am only for, but then.
                    Tomorrow. eleven.
    4. KKND
      KKND 9 January 2018 18: 05
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      but if you listen to what the representatives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau say, it turns out that the EPL of the lizard is about the same as that of the SU-57, that is, 0,3-0,4 m ... and this is not in all projections.

      Andrey, you still listen to our MO fool . That's where the truth is! wassat
      You think with your own head. The EPR in textbooks is given for strictly defined materials (metal) and for strictly defined geometric objects.
      So, our professors give 0,01 m for "stealth". But the question is, how do they know the properties of the coating and the fact that it can have a complex "cellular" structure inside?
      It seems to me that they decide this question only on the basis of the dispersion of waves, not taking into account absorption.
      Everything is strictly IMHO, I have never been a specialist.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 January 2018 18: 19
        11
        Quote: KKND
        It seems to me that they decide this question only on the basis of the dispersion of waves, not taking into account absorption.

        And now think about the fact that in addition to applied science and materials science there is such a moment as intelligence, the general level of technology, when you can’t stupidly jump above your genital organ. Or mattresses have Martian technology, and we have technology from Upper Kukuevo?
        And one more thing, in addition to dispersion and absorption, there is also the IR range, which you modestly hold back.
        And the last ... but do you know the technical characteristics of the Radar Squirrel for example? What is it capable of and what is not capable of ... as well as the OLS-35 ...
        1. KKND
          KKND 9 January 2018 18: 42
          +6
          Quote: NEXUS
          And now think about the fact that in addition to applied science and materials science there is such a moment as intelligence, the general level of technology, when you can’t stupidly jump above your genital organ.

          You said the right thing: you cannot jump above the level of technology.
          But, specifically, the United States bypassed the Russian Federation and the USSR in materials science, in many areas. And they were always ahead (see aircraft engines, Kevlar, silicon processors, etc., etc.) For example, we have Martian technology and China has ...., you understand.
          Quote: NEXUS
          And one more thing, in addition to dispersion and absorption, there is also the IR range, which you modestly hold back.

          In IR, it’s harder to hide, there the plane itself radiates, but it’s more difficult to hit. For example, the old OLS on the Su-27 found a target on the afterburner in a lateral projection from a distance of as much as 20 km.
          Sensitivity has now increased, but to detect a target without afterburner at a distance of 30-50 km? Well, as you say, I believe this as the statements of our MO.
          Therefore, there are no long-range IR missiles and is not yet in sight.
          Quote: NEXUS
          And the last ... do you know the technical characteristics of the Squirrel radar for example? What is it capable of and what is not capable of ...

          No, I do not know. But do you believe in our "Martian" technologies ?. We can’t finish the radar with AFAR here, but you believe it.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 January 2018 18: 46
            11
            Quote: KKND
            We can’t finish the radar with AFAR here, but you believe it.

            Seriously, can’t we? And the Squirrel on the SU-57 apparently did not put ... and the poor fellow apparently flies like the U-2. And if you are talking about ZhUK-E, then, as far as I understand, from this year the MIG-35 will go into series ... apparently without AFAR ... Moreover, statements about the ROFAR tests are also fairy tales and fables, based on the fact that you write.
            1. KKND
              KKND 9 January 2018 19: 20
              +4
              Quote: NEXUS
              Really can not?

              We can, but not right away. We gash it for sure. Moreover, I saw models (maybe even operational) of our experimental AFARs back in EMNIP 2012.
              Quote: NEXUS
              Moreover, statements about ROFAR’s trials are probably also fairy tales and fables, based on what you write.

              About ROFAR, I did not understand how this crap works. And what is the advantage over conventional OLS? If this is an AFAR with optical conversion of radio signals, then I did not understand how it would allow stealth to detect, except that the weight of the radar will decrease. If we are talking about the optical range, then it is not clear why it is better than IR. The laser range finder on the SU-27, which is part of the OLS, for example, allows you to determine the range as much as 15 km. Stumble. The direction finder and then on.
          2. bk316
            bk316 9 January 2018 19: 31
            +7
            ..silicon processors ...

            The saints are holy and no one did the LE on silicon wafers before the p and n wasps.
            And the MIS must have been specially crafted by specially trained bears turned out of a cedar file?
            You would be more careful to write once you pretend to be an expert opinion.
            By the way, no one canceled the basic equation of radar and I don’t know what textbooks showed you (probably with particular solutions of ESD such as corner reflectors and balls made of conductive material - for students with poor mathematical training), but ESD is true for ANY MATERIAL AND ANY FORM OF OBJECT.
            1. KKND
              KKND 9 January 2018 19: 45
              +3
              Quote: bk316
              The saints are holy and no one did the LE on silicon wafers before the p and n wasps.

              This is offtopic, on a related topic we will argue how we are doing chips now (on western equipment) and as Americans with 13 nm technology (one transistor is about 200 atoms).
              Quote: bk316
              ESD is true for ANY MATERIAL AND ANY FORM OF OBJECT.

              Could you tell us in more detail, otherwise it is not clear. The formula can be written in physics this way and that, and it really does not enter the basic equation of radar.
              Here is the simplest formula for EPR = Power sent \ Power reflected.
              The question is, why does the same sheet of paper with different colors reduce the power of reflected radiation in the optical range? Is the EPR different?
              1. Lock36
                Lock36 10 January 2018 00: 16
                +4
                Quote: KKND
                The question is, why does the same sheet of paper with different colors reduce the power of reflected radiation in the optical range? Is the EPR different?

                Yeah, the plane is not visible at all in the fog and clouds wassat And how does this relate to the conversation?
                You are quite bold enough to work with analogies in different ranges of RV. You had the discipline "Radio wave propagation"? You still give analogies from the millimeter range.
                As for the "radio absorption", this is the weakest side of Amer’s stealth. It was repeatedly noted that the radio absorption indicators indicated in the statement of work in cargo planes were not achieved, and this coating itself proved to be extremely capricious and requires service almost after every departure. Which, of course, still has its say in the real situation.
              2. opus
                opus 10 January 2018 02: 26
                +6
                Quote: KKND
                and like the Americans with 13 nm technology

                13 does not apply to the Pentagon.
                Bye 65, want 45 ..
                On F-22, RAD750 was recently installed

                Produced using 250 or 150 nm photolithography
                The system software is written in the ADA language, and the final version requires 1,558,000 code instructions.
                Although the effectiveness of the system data is impressive: more than 700 MIPS (million instructions per second) and 20 BOPS (billion operations per second) ..
                Yet TWO CI (the third may be added in the future). Each CIP consists of a box containing 66 LRM units.
                Arthur is still in special production.
                However, Intel with I7 (v5) has already logged in to the 5-gon.
                But this is for "every" combat unit.
                As said classic
                And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Rather, they can not only watch everything. Few can do it
              3. bk316
                bk316 10 January 2018 12: 14
                +4
                EPR = Power sent \ Power reflected

                It is rather not a calculation formula, but a definition.

                I mean

                Well, or http://info.alnam.ru/book_afar.php chapter 9.1.1

                That is, your statement:
                EPR in textbooks is given for strictly defined materials (metal) and for strictly defined geometric objects.

                wrong. The given fomula allows you to calculate the EPF for an object of any shape from any material.

                Well, actually OPUS has already written everything.


                1. KKND
                  KKND 10 January 2018 14: 28
                  0
                  Quote: bk316
                  I mean

                  Well, or http://info.alnam.ru/book_afar.php chapter 9.1.1

                  Tin, my mother’s expert got into an argument. We read your little book and get enlightened:
                  A temporary method for calculating the EPR is to solve the Maxwell equations of the day of the boundary conditions determined by the material and the geometric shape of the object. In particular, suppose an object has absolutely conductive surface and is irradiated with an unsteady electromagnetic pulse (Fig. 9.2), whose electric field on the surface of the object is described by the expression.
                  Quote: bk316
                  Well, actually OPUS has already written everything.

                  OPUS while Shahno wrote one water a lot more than 3 words wrote, maybe he will explain to us now.
                  1. opus
                    opus 11 January 2018 00: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: KKND
                    OPUS until one water

                    Opus- drinking moonshine ..
                    e-mayo
                    he is not the triviality of life ..
                    And if it is serious: Mona and not "water" ...
                    AND WHO WILL READ BUDE? (without the "t" consciously)
          3. BastaKarapuzik And
            BastaKarapuzik And 10 January 2018 00: 50
            +9
            That's what the states have at the highest level, it's PR.
            A small sketch, not about airplanes, not about space, but in general, about the American mentality. (I hope it will be appropriate)
            Schwarzenegger at some sort of competition was supposed to oppose a young but gifted athlete.
            Iron Arnie himself at that time was already a large size on the sports Olympus.
            And now, somewhere behind the scenes they intersect, Arnie, seeing that the applicant is very good, makes a “compliment” to him, that he is, of course, well done, but we need to work on these or other muscle groups. A beginner from such a remark does not feel confident, as a result, he weakly acts and Schwarzenegger gets his next title.
            This is the usual psychological pressure, the story was told by the future governor of California himself, not ashamed much, but rather boasted.
            Therefore, when we hear that Americans, Americans, silicon transistors, etc., we must understand that this is the psychological treatment of the enemy.
            They never admit to their weak points. In many ways, great fellows, they have a high index of human development, but how much ambition, how much, in fact, a bluff!
            Lord! Well isn't that funny?
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 10 January 2018 09: 56
              +1
              and in preference play only in the usa?
              1. BastaKarapuzik And
                BastaKarapuzik And 10 January 2018 22: 21
                0
                People of the western formation are somewhat similar. Firstly, they are mostly sectarians, one way or another, and secondly, the USA is genetically and mentally composed of people from the old world. That is, there are common roots.
                Bluffing is from card terminology, of course. Although we have this word well known, even to people far from card games (for example, to me. I personally love chess more). It may be borrowed (eng. Bluff - deception - fiction, a lie with the aim of creating an exaggerated idea of ​​its capabilities; boasting with nonexistent forces and means.), But I can’t immediately pick up the word 100% Russian analogue.
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 11 January 2018 07: 32
                  +1
                  all over the world there are resorts in the Russian Federation
                  "I would know a buyback - I would live in Sochi"
        2. passerby5
          passerby5 14 January 2018 17: 54
          0
          I'm wildly sorry, let the amateur interfere in your conversation .. I don’t debate, I ask. served as air defense, in cubes, on SURN. Well, they talked there with knowledgeable officers. I will try to explain what they said. It was 1989. and so, from their words, there have been developments to detect aircraft in the air according to the principle of detecting disturbances of the produced aircraft during their movement in space. (i.e., the device pushes air streams and then they move, producing some kind of disturbance) who heard anything about it?
      2. opus
        opus 10 January 2018 00: 26
        +3
        Quote: KKND
        EPR in textbooks is given for strictly defined materials (metal) and

        EPR (EOP) is given for the objectmade of a certain material, at a certain range (speed) and at a certain angle of elevation (relative to the radar), at a certain radial angle relative to the radar, at a certain wavelength, at a given parameter of the receiving antenna, etc., etc.


        If the distance from the radar antenna to the considered element dS is equal to R and the irradiation occurs at an angle  to the normal with the field strength Е1, then the field intensity Е2 at the location of the radar station



        Shl.  - antenna radiation patterns in the horizontal plane at the 0,5 level in power.
        Quote: KKND
        It seems to me that they decide this question only on the basis of the dispersion of waves, not taking into account absorption.

        formula for calculating the average ESR of a volume-distributed target

        R - distance to the reflecting volume
        s– EPR of a single reflector (breakdown (mat model) of an object into elementary "pixels" / reflectors), taking into account:
        Suppose that the elementary reflectors are distributed in space uniformly with density n.
        Shl. Do I need to list all the other "components" of the formula?
        wink
        1. KKND
          KKND 10 January 2018 14: 33
          +1
          Quote: opus
          Shl. Do I need to list all the other "components" of the formula?

          You write a formula for the dependence of the EPR on the electrical properties of an object in the air, I will lead to this.
          1. opus
            opus 11 January 2018 00: 51
            +2
            Quote: KKND
            You give me the formula for the dependence of the EPR on the electrical properties of the object

            recourse
            and she is?
            1. area (and its properties: angles, surfaces, etc.) play a greater role than)
            Quote: KKND
            electrical properties of an object in the air

            2. Well, in the air, the stump is clear, RL in a vacuum is a completely different story
            3. Here it is important not the "object" es, but ...

            2Many words in the chat and can not be said in one word
            1. KKND
              KKND 11 January 2018 01: 22
              +1
              Quote: opus
              and she is?
              1. area (and its properties: angles, surfaces, etc.) play a greater role than)

              There, in short, the trick is that EMW, propagating in the air (medium), with a certain electrical and magnetic permeability, reaching the aircraft, is reflected at the boundary of two media. And it (reflection of energy) is the greater the greater the difference in electrical permeability, dielectric constant and electrical conductivity of the probed object compared to the same air values. Moreover, if the Americans suddenly, in theory, have solid material with electric permeability, dielectric permeability and electrical conductivity like air, then the plane will not reflect anything at all.
              Moreover, before this I approached this question from the point of view of quantum mechanics, now I want to approach from the point of view of the classical wave.
              But the formula, the bastard compilers of textbooks, omitted and generally hushed up the question. EPR measures for a completely conductive surface.
              Excuse me, Anton, that I ran into you; the fact that you are trying to understand this issue with me speaks a lot about you.
              Damn, now the head is not cooking, I’ll go to sleep, let's sort it out tomorrow.
              Good night.
              1. opus
                opus 11 January 2018 14: 59
                +1
                Quote: KKND
                the plane is experiencing reflection at the interface of two environments. And it (the reflection of energy) is the greater the greater the differences in electrical permeability, dielectric constant and electrical conductivity of the object being probed in comparison with the same air values.

                This is understandable.
                1. The same thing happens with the passage of EME through a cloud, jump leaks and so on and so on.
                Because the permeability of the propagation medium changes.
                2. There is not only a "reflection", but also absorption, and sometimes "rounding" (although this is not quite true)
                Quote: KKND
                Moreover, if Americans suddenly have, in theory, a solid material with electrical permeability,

                - hardly create
                - electron microscope "scans" atoms
                radiolocation is based on an electromagnetic wave.
                Here and dualism, here and the waves of de Broglie, and vaasche
                Quote: KKND
                Anton I'm sorry I ran into you,

                what is it about?
    5. opus
      opus 9 January 2018 19: 14
      +6
      Quote: NEXUS
      it turns out that the dinosaur EPL is about the same as that of the SU-57, that is, 0,3-0,4 m

      it cannot be SAME.
      This is stupid.
      just look here:



      and here


      and here


      Even without knowing the principles of radar, the concepts of EPR (EOP) - this is visible to the student (naturally not silly)
      / and this does not detract from the SU-57

      Quote: NEXUS
      but if you listen to what the representatives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau say

      yeah
      Igor Raufovich Ashurbeyli (Russian entrepreneur wink . Chairman of the Board of Directors of the holding "Socium", scientific director of KB-1. In 2001 — 2011, he was the General Director of the NGO Alkaz-Antey GSKB. Doctor of Technical Sciences), on a sober head, PUBLIC, at a nightingale farted in a puddle

      Threat. with 7: 10
      who is lazy

      "although, if there was C-300 there, it could have DESTROY .. and other bodyagi"
      Here's how EVEN 48Н6E2 can intercept an object of mass order 10 000 tone(tone, tone),
      with the speed of entering the dog from 18 000 m / s ( 18 km / s )
      The largest of the fragments, with a total mass of 654 kg [Iron, iron], were lifted 16 October 2013 years from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul

      and the sales did not apologize.
      however morons broadcast, morons nod, and a man with a tarnished reputation (nightingale) conducts
      whom did you hear the Nexus?
      managers?
      so they Pythagoras theorem will not be able to quote
      1. KKND
        KKND 9 January 2018 19: 24
        +2
        Thank you Anton for taking the time, I agree with you, but I'm waiting for Shahno in an "ambush."
        Shahno allegedly graduated from MIPT, with a thesis.
        Maybe he will teach us what?
        1. opus
          opus 9 January 2018 19: 29
          +9
          Quote: KKND
          Maybe he will teach us what?

          What can he teach me?
          If I have a physics teacher (at school) there was a well-deserved study. USSR, and his son without blat (what a blat at MIPT belay ) entered, graduated and we play chess remotely with him (if I'm sober koneshn) wink
          1. KKND
            KKND 9 January 2018 19: 33
            +3
            Quote: opus
            What can he teach me?

            Well, if you think that everyone knows, your right.
            Well, I'm "stupid" is always happy to learn from more intelligent people.
            My professional teachers were such that it would be better if they were not.
            Here I am engaged in self-education.
            1. opus
              opus 9 January 2018 19: 52
              +8
              Quote: KKND
              Well, I'm "stupid" is always happy to learn from more intelligent people.

              I SAME what the deer is.
              beer, cabbage soup (myself!) I will brew
              We grind the malt - so it will give away all the substances contained in it, but an ordinary meat grinder or blender will not work for this purpose. It is imperative to use either a hand or electric malt mill;
              1. In a large capacity we bring the water in full to a temperature of 74 degrees (you can measure it with a special thermometer);
              2. Add milled malt to the mash tank and fill it with heated 74 ° water while stirring. Before brewing beer at home, fermentation tanks, overflow tubes, water locks are prepared (sterilized with a disinfectant). Water is poured until the mash reaches a temperature of 65 degrees. After that we withstand a temperature pause of 20 minutes;
              3. The remaining water is brought to a boil, and with the help of this boiling water we raise the mash temperature to 73 degrees;
              4. The remaining water is poured into the digester and maintained at a level of 75 degrees for subsequent washing of the mash;
              5. Check the readiness of the wort after 20 minutes. Mix a drop of wort on a saucer with iodine. If the color has changed, then the jam is not ready, we advise you to wait an additional pause in 20 minutes. But if the color does not change, then you can proceed to the next step.
              Brewing beer directly
              6. Drain the prepared wort into a container, and rinse the mash with the rest of warm 75 ° water, insist for another 20 minutes, also pour into a cooking container;
              7. Bring the wort to a boil, removing the foam;
              8. Throw hops in three stages: the first - one hour before the end of the boil 10., The second - fifteen minutes 10g, the third - five minutes 30g. So it is possible to brew beer at home, which will be distinguished by a pleasant bitterness, rich taste and aroma. If you add the first portion of hops later (half an hour before the end of boiling), then the bitterness will be less noticeable;
              9. Quickly cool the wort with the lid closed, after lowering the spiral cooler-cooler (chiller) into it, or lowering the digester in a bath of cold water;
              10. The wort is poured into a sterile fermentation container with a water seal, and we pour in it ale or camp yeast in the amount of one bag (11 grams), ideally 2 yeast bag. To brew home-brewed beer, you can also use pre-fermented yeast on wort or glucose syrup, or yeast prepared on a magnetic stirrer. If you have introduced ale yeast, the fermentation temperature should be 17 ° -24 ° C when lager yeast is introduced, then the fermentation temperature should be 5 ° -15 ° C.
              When making camp yeast in a freshly chilled wort, we recommend that the fermentation tank with the wort be kept at room temperature for about 5 hours until the formation of carbon dioxide bubbles through the water trap.
              Then the fermentation tank can be cleaned in the cellar or refrigerator; Leave for two weeks for fermentation.

              I have EVEN a dog (DOG !!!) ran away from home, with the words:
              "here you like to copulate in this way, here and fuck your brain, but one, WITHOUT US ... AND THE WHOLE FAMILY SUPPORTED IT"
              If Che (for moderators, a ban is not necessary, maybe
              How many billions of people since creation copulated, enjoyed, fertilized, multiplied and have been doing this for millions of years.

              /BUT. I. Kuprin, “Wheel of Time”, 1929
              I essno not Kuprin, but we have one Constitution of the Russian Federation ... FOR ALL
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 9 January 2018 20: 03
                +3
                Quote: opus
                beer, cabbage soup (myself!) I will brew

                The reference and the moneta recipe?)
                Quote: opus
                I have EVEN a dog (DOG !!!) ran away from home, with the words:
                "here you like to copulate in this way, here and fuck your brain, but one, WITHOUT US ... AND THE WHOLE FAMILY SUPPORTED IT"

                Burned barn and hut! drinks
                1. opus
                  opus 9 January 2018 20: 35
                  +4
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  The reference and the moneta recipe?)

                  for weizenbier

                  (I’ve already drunk a gram of 200, so that I would remember everything and not mix up ... and 35 liters of a tank ???? a neighbor is a magic wand (he’s screwing cabbage in it ...) [/ b]

                  trouble- no pens
                  how to make it cool in the snow-xs. Obviously ... bend down the stairs. he is HOT recourse
                  after reading this crap wife said:
                  either I or beer, as an alternative, a remote divorce and shed, with a son and a dog, moreover, a daughter earlier

                  by and large (without touching the brand), here
                  https://alcofan.com/kak-svarit-pivo-v-domashnix-u
                  sloviyax-klassicheskij-recept.html
                  (I don’t quite agree with alkofan, however, the experience is acquired. I’m clearly making moonshine and wine better, says the academician of the Russian Academy of SciencesЕN, a RAS)
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Burned barn and hut!

                  about the fire is not worth it.

                  Tyumentsev feel sorry
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 9 January 2018 20: 59
                    +4
                    Quote: opus
                    trouble- no pens
                    how to make it cool in the snow-xs. Obviously ... bend down the stairs. he is HOT

                    Mdyayaya ..., here it is necessary to think what Can I use a quilted jacket to wrap a thread?
                    Quote: opus
                    I've already drunk 200 grams, so that everything would be remembered and not mixed up ...

                    200 grams is the right move - a gambit, so to speak good
                    Quote: opus
                    after reading this crap wife said:
                    either I or beer, as an alternative, a remote divorce and shed, with a son and a dog, moreover, a daughter earlier

                    The science of brewing requires sacrifice, but our resilience of the first testers will overcome all the troubles.
                    "But still, it spins!" yes drinks
                    1. opus
                      opus 9 January 2018 21: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      but our resilience of the first testers will overcome all the troubles.

                      ALREADY WRITTEN

                      whether I'm trembling or right I have.

                      / F. M. Dostoevsky
                  2. midivan
                    midivan 9 January 2018 22: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: opus
                    trouble- no pens

                    35 l? This is about 30 kg, but you have two [/ b] good [b] leather belt, one that is wider under the edge of rigidity, the second under the first like a bucket handle, here you have something to bear yes I wouldn’t dare to drag boiling water in such a container, so the assistant and the stick on the belt, but in the Upps situation, there’s a chance of the leg not scalding so much, naturally you hold your end of the stick higher, then maybe the assistant will get more lol Well, here I am silent, since you are friends with physics, unlike me laughing
                    1. opus
                      opus 9 January 2018 23: 28
                      +2
                      Quote: midivan
                      Xnumx l? This is about 35 kg, and you have two [/ b] good [b] leather belts

                      everything is simple:
                      - other container (2) with handles
                      - ladle.
                      good
                      Not ... (to be honest) I, too: belts, fasteners, my soul reached out for the drill)
                      Wife called: very "smart" fool
                      the ladle of her idea "a woman you can't spend ... she sees with her heart"

                      Quote: midivan
                      Well, here I am silent, since you are friends with physics, unlike me

                      the children groan .... (the eldest is the same).
                      Monkey test - our family horse:
                      But how much dad need to buy kg of cement M-300, that would fill in here that area

                      why people in Barcelona (in Tel Aviv, all the more) live easier (in direct and portable) than in St. Petersburg
                      1. midivan
                        midivan 9 January 2018 23: 43
                        +4
                        Quote: opus
                        Monkey test - our family horse:

                        smile Do I have to guess, as I understand it? Well, I’ll assume that the brand is not the same with cement, although 300 will work fine if the tanks don’t go there, but it’s easier to live, for those who have less to carry warm things laughing PS the monkey doesn’t confuse me, because I think 1. curved and hairy legs are the pride of a man (of which I can proudly report yes ), a man should be a little prettier than a monkey laughing
              2. Shahno
                Shahno 9 January 2018 20: 14
                +2
                I envy you. You have holidays ... Yes, I also had such a dog. French Bulldog. I even persuaded my wife.
                1. opus
                  opus 9 January 2018 20: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: Shahno
                  I envy you.

                  white (hopefully)?
                  Quote: Shahno
                  Holidays are with you ...

                  Yeah. good
                  -6, snow fell already 30 cm (I'll go skiing tomorrow), bathed in the snow yesterday after the bath (I barely found a scrotum in the morning, my son also complained wink , moderators, it was a joke, not a violation of the rules of the site ...
                  just COLD (penguins).
                  "shorter" because only the penguins, since they are poor all the life on ice with -30 sit.
                  In general, we have "fun", all sorts of mysterious people rummage along public roads

                  (only one time: I don’t need to ban me, I haven’t attributed a word or letter here, this is all Kolya Rastorguev, and I’m banning him)
                  Quote: Shahno
                  I even persuaded my wife.

                  My wife persuaded me, instead of the third, or rather the fourth (but let's not talk about sad things)

                  Threat. After the ratwack, for a walk in the dark ... how not to crush ... recourse
              3. midivan
                midivan 9 January 2018 22: 19
                +3
                Quote: opus
                We grind the malt - so it will give away all the substances contained in it, but an ordinary meat grinder or blender will not work for this purpose. It is imperative to use either a hand or electric malt mill;

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                1. opus
                  opus 9 January 2018 22: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: midivan
                  2337 r. For registered clients of GRAMIX who made an order for

                  yes, I was already given a shredded ...
                  It is believed that for the preparation of this beer You need to buy a mini brewery or other expensive equipment. This myth impose manufacturers of similar products. Together with the brewery, such offices will gladly sell the finished concentrate, which only needs to be diluted in water and fermented. As a result, the beginning brewer at exorbitant rates overpays for beer, the quality of which, at best, is slightly higher than the store’s cheap brands.
                  Quote: midivan
                  Hard crusher Greentechs (Electromash) 300 kg / h

                  yes damn ... 300 kg per hour drinks
                  What is my private brewery?
                  me 30 ltr (beer !!!! and not malt
                  "Extract content of the initial wort" or "initial wort density". = it is indicated in percent or Balling degrees (extract weight in 100 grams of solution) = 11-13%
                  ) - until spring is enough
                  In fact, you can make homemade beer without special equipment, using the available tools: a large cooking pot, a fermentation tank made of plastic or glass, any bottles and other available devices, the full list of which is published below.


                  Rubbing up the wort. This term refers to the mixing of crushed malt with hot water to break down the starch in the grains into sugar (maltose) and soluble substances (dextrins). Sometimes malt is sold ready-made for brewing, crushed form, which makes the task a little easier. If not, the dried sprouted grain should be ground independently using a grain crusher or a meat grinder.
                  1. midivan
                    midivan 9 January 2018 23: 02
                    +4
                    Quote: opus
                    yes damn ... 300 kg per hour
                    What is my private brewery?

                    Duc she (the mill) does not require her round the clock and in the tail and mane, ground as much as necessary and in the barn, there is a good price, I looked at the malt first came for 100 relatives of relatives, but the principle is sure they have the same, maybe the net point is smaller or more, well, it’s solvable smile
                    Quote: opus
                    I am 30 ltr - until the spring is enough

                    To be honest, it pleases, otherwise I already wanted to start swearing, but then I saw about my son, so there’s someone laughing drinks but in general PEOPLE is good to thump already, Motherland is in danger am
                    1. opus
                      opus 9 January 2018 23: 20
                      +3
                      Quote: midivan
                      and mane, namolit how much you need and in the barn

                      SARAH NO.
                      In the basement.....
                      I will not even pass on wives of family members (I promised to make out for the birth of my son ... 13 years passed)
                      Quote: midivan
                      but in general PEOPLE is good to thump already, Motherland is in danger

                      we are in moderation

                      I here watch (nokia) Santa Claus presented:
                      measured: kashny divine day (except 01.01.2018), I personally with my wife, dog and children (partially, in view of the departure of some of the children) took 11000-13500 steps.
                      What are we not looking at you, schol?
              4. passerby5
                passerby5 14 January 2018 18: 01
                0
                )))) the identity caught fire with this
        2. Shahno
          Shahno 9 January 2018 20: 08
          0
          Yes, here I am. What did you want?
          1. KKND
            KKND 9 January 2018 20: 23
            +1
            What is there about the absorbing materials? For 10 000 - 20 000 MHz for example?
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 9 January 2018 23: 01
              0
              There is. Up to 50 dB / cm.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 January 2018 19: 28
        +3
        Quote: opus
        it cannot be SAME.
        This is stupid.

        Seriously? That is, the lizard or our SU-57 stupidly hangs in the air in the most favorable projection when the radar is irradiated, and from this you come to the conclusion that the lizard has less EPR? That is, maneuverable combat, is this, in your opinion, the static hovering of fighters in the most favorable position for themselves to irradiate enemy radar? EPR of a dinosaur without snot and fantasies can you voice, dear? And don’t give out the data that the mattresses feed the whole world, they have as much faith as fantasies about what the grandmother said at the entrance ..
        Excuse me, where are you going to get the suspension? Or does a dinosaur not fly without it? TTX OLS-35 known? What is the detection range of its targets such as the lizard?
        Quote: opus
        however morons broadcast, morons nod, and a man with a tarnished reputation (nightingale) conducts
        whom did you hear the Nexus?

        I am used to listening to DIFFERENT opinions, in order to form my own, on the basis of my knowledge and opinions fundamentally opposed. And also on the basis of simple and elementary logic, which says that it is stupid to create the same fighter, with obviously worse performance than its likely counterpart. When this is invested in development, buying not cheap products.
        And the appeal to the numbers, which are known from the words of the probable opponent is stupid. I remember that the first figures were announced around 0,01 m ... and now is the pangolin different? Then, with what fright did the data change?
        1. opus
          opus 9 January 2018 19: 45
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          hanging in the air in the most favorable projection for radar irradiation, and from this you come to the conclusion that the lizard has less EPR?

          I proceed:
          1. From materials F-22
          2. Of the contours (faces, planes, deflectors, the absence of PGO (although the SU-57 is not PGO, however) the glider
          3.From the cockpit
          4. Of the capabilities of our radar
          5. well and so on

          Quote: NEXUS
          That is a maneuverable battle

          I'm talking about the "maneuverable" non-6 generally stuttered.
          Only about EPR (or rather about EPO)
          Quote: NEXUS
          TTX OLS-35 known? What is the detection range of its targets such as the pangolin?

          yes, known
          auto tracking zone +/- 90 ° in azimuth, - 15 ° / + 60 ° in elevation. Air target the size of a Su-30 can be detected at a distance of 90 km in the rear hemisphere or with 35 km in the front. OLS-35 can track four air targets at the same time, without sending any signals that can warn them about exposure.

          however, as with Solo-35.01, Solo-35.02 solvers (so far only)
          / I’ll write the frets about our digital computer, you’re awesome, “Intel” rubs his sweaty palms /

          Quote: NEXUS
          . I remember that the first figures were announced in the 0,01 area ... and now is the pangolin different? T

          Yes, I (personally) over this shnyaga 0,01 m ^ 2 neighing from the very beginning.
          And he showed his son, on his badminton shuttlecocks.
          Threat.
          0,01 m ^ 2 modestly "" silent:
          - distance
          -weather
          elevation angle (relative to the radar)
          object speed
          etc.
          and yes
          I and that Tu-95 will achieve 0,01 m ^ 2 at a distance of> 400 km +, during a thunderstorm and storm, at an echelon of 3000 m (joke), with a castrated receiving antenna (not a joke)
          - with a weak gray emitter (not a joke)

          =========================
          What else do you BELIEVE in childhood and advertising?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 January 2018 20: 50
            +2
            Quote: opus
            I proceed:

            Well, what kind of materials are there?
            Quote: opus
            Of the capabilities of our radar

            Are you sure you know the real performance characteristics of our radars? The same Irbis ... not the data that is in general use, essess ..

            Quote: opus
            Quote: NEXUS
            TTX OLS-35 known? What is the detection range of its targets such as the pangolin?
            yes, known

            About how ... interesting to read ...
            At the same time, I asked you, and the lizard without suspension will fly?
            1. opus
              opus 9 January 2018 21: 03
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              Well, what kind of materials are there?

              I’m going to brew beer, but about materials later.
              otherwise, kirdyk day has passed.
              Quote: NEXUS
              Are you sure you know the actual performance characteristics of our radars?

              Well .... in the hands of that. he observed the enemy himself, took for escort, destroyed training, in MIG-25 sat and flew (the furniture is true, however).

              in 70% for sure
              Quote: NEXUS
              At the same time, I asked you, and the lizard without suspension will fly?

              the question is not "will be."
              and the question is: "flew"?
              when the wb (precision ammunition) for lyam $ is used up, it will fly with the CBU-87 Combined Effects Munition, suspended where current is possible
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 9 January 2018 21: 09
                +5
                Quote: opus
                I’m going to brew beer, but about materials later.

                Well, in my refrigerator I’ve got one and a half cups of Moldavian brandy ... I also think that I need to clean myself today, not for the sake of drunkenness, but health for ...
                1. opus
                  opus 9 January 2018 21: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Well, in my refrigerator

                  Andrei, the point is not in the absence of variations С2Н5ОН ..
                  We have this good

                  This is a birthday present

                  I'm tired of looking at 2 months on 5 gkg of it (I appreciate the gift giving)
                  Finally:
                  whether I'm trembling or right I have.

                  F. M. Dostoevsky
                  ?
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Moldavian brandy

                  my calvados (homemade) is so much better
                  Ok

                  / not specifically to them, but MEMBERS AND MEMBER-CORES OF THE RAS /
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 9 January 2018 22: 08
                    +3
                    Quote: opus
                    my calvados (homemade) is so much better

                    Let your kolvados smoke nervously in the vestibule, against my 18 year old brandy ... that's it, for a minute. And I’ll tell you that against real Moldavian cognacs, such as KVVK (45 years of aging) and some wines, such as Chumay Cahors, most French, Italians and others like them do not dance at all. Take my word for it. hi
                    1. opus
                      opus 9 January 2018 22: 34
                      0
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      , against my brandy 18 summer exposure ... so for a minute.

                      275-i guv. zrbr, 8 division C-200D "Angara"
                      we know your "brandy", rubber / rubber under the barrel, Schaub more vtytylo. or other "nano additives"
                      / although it is for sale, for its m. and green product
                      I have a hand made
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      And I’ll tell you that against real Moldavian cognacs, such as KVVK (45 years of aging) and some wines, such as Chumai Cahors,

                      I heard that when Moldova declared independence
                      we have 12 billion (if Alzheimer does not confuse me) decalitres of elite alcohol, yes we, yes you ....

                      The result is on the face. recourse
                      / my wine (from Vitis labrusca, Hand Made (or rather a leg in a polyethylene bag) - many ladies from https://www.nalog.ru: in line.
                      And why not?
                      PS: we don’t use sugar (rubber, either), regularly drain from the sediment.
                      but against O2 my son is fighting (Na2CO3 • H2O + (NOOSSN2) 2С (ОН) СУН = СО2 at the exit)
                      But he knows from 10 years that the density of CO2 is much higher than that of air (29) and about gravity, the same
                      good

                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Take my word for it.

                      how much I drank in Ialoveni, and how much I brought to Moscow ...
                      / I believe.
                      but CE was
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 9 January 2018 22: 43
                        +4
                        Quote: opus
                        we know your "brandy", rubber / rubber under the barrel, Schaub more vtytylo. or other "nano additives"

                        Why were you drinking something like that? laughing Where did you get such disgusting things in Moldova? I’m taking a product tested from nature directly from the factory (from the back entrance, esseno) ... and this brandy was very offended for such a frivolous opinion of him noble and very consistent.
                        Quote: opus
                        I have a hand made

                        Well, we didn’t make a finger either ... my Moldovan friends dragged me on the production of wine ala Hand mei ... especially from Isabela’s grapes, I’ll tell you very well.
                        Quote: opus
                        how much I drank in Ialoveni, and how much I brought to Moscow ...
                        / I believe.
                        but CE was

                        Oh, hurry, you bury the wine and vodka business in Moldova ... isn't it too early? On the next trip, my friend promised me a 9-year-old Quint and a couple of liters of KVVK from the cellars of the plant ... do not rush ... with few Moldavians in winemaking in the world can at least compare, not even surpass them. hi
      3. activator
        activator 9 January 2018 20: 01
        +2
        Anton is asking you a question, since the topic of the Chelyabinsk meteorite is touched on here, what do you think about the video where you can see in slow motion how this meteorite catches up and breaks through it, then it falls apart.
        1. jjj
          jjj 9 January 2018 20: 17
          +1
          However, how many experts openly discuss closed topics. And we all criticize the exam
        2. opus
          opus 9 January 2018 20: 21
          +2
          Quote: activator
          then. what do you think about that video where you can see in slow motion how this meteorite is catching something and punching it naf

          Nikolay, did you see the ORIGINAL, not masturbated ...
          ??
          I did not see. You lay out see, discuss.
          The only thing I remember with Veliko (as long as it was Great) in yuritania was the project to send two asteroids around Moscow and Peter (correcting their YaBZ course, appropriately), and the USSR Ministry of Defense had an analytical note: "about the impossibility of intercepting / deactivating these )
          But according to my young age: I do not have access to it (note), and they no longer let me into the archives.
          Quote: activator
          after which it falls apart.

          aerodynamic effect, I think nevertheless: there are pieces of olivine, iron, stone, ice-blown.
          I got a snowman and fell apart. This is what the neighbor with the ATGM interception did?
          neeeee
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          2. activator
            activator 9 January 2018 20: 40
            +2
            Quote: opus
            Nikolay, did you see the ORIGINAL, not masturbated ...
            ??

            Well here it is.
            1. opus
              opus 9 January 2018 20: 52
              +2
              Quote: activator
              Well here it is

              1.This is processing (+ gluing), in the original it is not that little (if memory serves), you can ask the author (though he fights good money)
              2. Well, in the negative (bw what), the destruction-criticism does not stand up at all:
              pursuit
              - the speed of the object 5-7 km / s at an altitude of 20000m (if you have not forgotten), the speed of the interceptor (on the knee, bast) at 12 km / s ...
              Conclusion: INSTALLATION
              1. activator
                activator 9 January 2018 21: 23
                +1
                Quote: opus
                1.This is processing (+ gluing), in the original it is not that little (if memory serves), you can ask the author (though he fights good money)

                Well, that gluing is present this is understandably the same episode with different approximations and slowdowns. And he can fight money because there is something for that, for example, I wouldn’t sell it if I cooked up a fake.
                Quote: opus
                - the speed of the object 5-7 km / s at an altitude of 20000m (if you have not forgotten), the speed of the interceptor (on the knee, bast) at 12 km / s ...

                Well, this is if we assume that earthlings shot down, and if not? because he himself saw a UFO twice, and suffered a third time, but didn’t see it later.
                Quote: opus
                Conclusion: INSTALLATION

                Did you make this conclusion now or did you study this video somewhere? although when at the end of the crowbar the meteorite piercing just disappears I get very confused.
                1. opus
                  opus 9 January 2018 21: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: activator
                  if he himself had concocted a fake.

                  not from the source - the original record, only he now sells it, on the u-tube (if he did not delete it), there should be original
                  Quote: activator
                  And if not? because he himself saw a UFO twice, and suffered a third time, but didn’t see it later.

                  here I pass.
                  he saw the "UFO" from the roof of the house, removal on the iphone led to zilch (night) -one spot, HZnChP
                  When I saw UFOs at the institute (with my own eyes), there was no iphone in 1988 (background, however, too).
                  maybe ... everything can be.
                  Sociability (serious) will believe the current facts
                  Quote: activator
                  Did you make this conclusion now or did you study this video somewhere?

                  now when viewing.
                  "Our" missiles at such an angle do not intercept (wrote about speed above)
                  I can’t say anything about Alien, maybe. not studied with them what
                  1. activator
                    activator 9 January 2018 22: 31
                    +2
                    Quote: opus
                    When I saw UFOs at the institute (with my own eyes), there was no iphone in 1988 (background, however, too).

                    But I didn’t see 89 or 90 for the first time, but my motorcycle, which I rode for no reason, rather got stalled, and started up the same way and then the guys told me that at that moment the ball was dropping red. a week later, I myself saw this ball which sank about the same place, and even a little later some object looked like a Belgian triangle with lights at the edges, and it was quite low and about the same where the balls were. I saw him with my friend, and I didn’t feel such panic fear anymore, all the more he flew in our direction, at that moment, by the way, he was driving sick while driving along the highway, and let us run across the field like boots in boots. Therefore, this topic is interesting to me.
                    Quote: opus
                    "Our" missiles at such an angle do not intercept (wrote about speed above)

                    Yes, I didn’t mean our zur from the very beginning, namely, that it could be brought down, that it was not of terrestrial origin.
                    1. opus
                      opus 9 January 2018 22: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: activator
                      motorcycle on which I was driving for no reason and just wound up

                      Where (coordinates) and when (reper temporary).
                      Maybe it's me nakkodil, or fellow students?
                      Concrete need
                      Quote: activator
                      I saw him with a friend

                      No offense.
                      But grandmother, after my father, told me this ...
                      Here's an example:
                      I live in the house of the house (I know for sure, although I am a realist-funk, full, moreover).
                      all (relatives, who spend the night) know- there is no evidence (except that I drink milk (e) t from a saucer, EVEN when there is no dog, Mlyn I thought my wife would varnish, but on the whole night she would play on the isthmus in WoT. .. there is no milk)
                      Here's how to approach this?

                      Quote: activator
                      that it could knock, something that is not of earthly origin.

                      and why?
                      and...
                      Well, if "they" are such that they can:
                      Objective reality is a world that exists independently from the subject (person) and his consciousness.

                      I have already accepted /
                      You know?
                      Mind started when the gods stopped talking

                      Julian Jaynes theory
                      The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, the book 1976 bestseller (to this day)
                      “This consciousness, the very self of all the selves, representing everything, and at the same time, nothing — what is it? Where did it come from? And why?"

                      People were not completely intelligent until about 3000 years ago, and before that they relied on two-part, bicameral consciousness in which one part spoke to another voice of the godsby guiding him when any difficult situation.
                      Replace the gods on the "higher mind" and everything will fall into place.
                      wink
                      And: I do not deny anything and do not mock, I do not have direct evidence
                      1. activator
                        activator 9 January 2018 23: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: opus
                        Where (coordinates) and when (reper temporary).
                        Maybe it's me nakkodil, or fellow students?
                        Concrete need

                        What could you and your fellow students do at that time? smile At that time, I was interested in three things of women, motorcycles and vodka and how to combine all this, so you yourself did not keep diaries, and then you could only talk on the phone lol By the way, when I saw it, it was crystal clear sober. soldier
                        Quote: opus
                        a brownie lives in my house

                        Quote: opus
                        Here's how to approach this?

                        Try to communicate with me a little differently, I'm learning, I have to somehow exist. But I can’t brush it off anymore. laughing
                        Quote: opus
                        and why?
                        and...
                        Well, if "they" are such that they can:

                        Well, beyond that. What they can, but we don’t, and we still turned out much better than dinosaurs. yes
                        Quote: opus
                        Objective reality is a world that exists independently of the subject (person) and his consciousness.

                        And any intention is just a hunch, but a man in his pride betrays it and presents it so that he bent the world, naive and self-confident.
                        Quote: opus
                        Mind started when the gods stopped talking

                        Rather, then the mind began.
                        Quote: opus
                        People were not completely intelligent until about 3000 years ago, and before that they relied on a two-part, bicameral consciousness, in which one part spoke with the other voice of the gods, guiding it in case of any difficult situation.

                        Or maybe it was normal when the two components of our consciousness, the mind and the mind, functioned normally. wink
                        Quote: opus
                        Replace the gods on the "higher mind" and everything will fall into place.

                        I think they can exist in parallel.
                        Quote: opus
                        And: I do not deny anything and do not mock, I do not have direct evidence

                        Yes, I generally do the same, but for my worldview I don’t need any verified evidence. And I don’t believe in some things, I know.
    6. krops777
      krops777 10 January 2018 04: 07
      0
      Where is the firewood? And a strange thing, at first the mattresses claimed 0,01 m, now the data is completely different ... but if you listen to what the representatives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau say, then it turns out that the EPL of the lizard is about the same as that of the SU-57 , that is, 0,3-0,4 m ... and this is not in all projections.


      And if we take into account the rockets on the external load, then the EPR will generally be like everyone else.
    7. Cynic
      Cynic 10 January 2018 16: 27
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      strange affair

      What's so strange about that?
      In this device, the EPR is variable, especially after opening niches, I am silent about the EPR-reducing paint applied to the fuselage ...
  2. iouris
    iouris 9 January 2018 15: 17
    +8
    The author’s arguments do not include the main point: what political decision was made regarding the neutralization of US and British aggression against, in particular, the ATS. In fact, “opposition units” are hiding behind the forces of these states, therefore, the condition for their “appeasement” and, if necessary, destruction is the deprivation of this cover. Coalition aircraft in the airspace of the ATS without the permission of the competent bodies of the ATS and opposing the work of the armed forces of the Russian Federation should be fired. This will lead to a crisis. The crisis leads to a big war, so it must have political permission. Without such an aggravation, the enemy will be able to legalize the partition of the country and will squeeze the Russian Federation out of the SAR.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 9 January 2018 15: 34
      10
      I must say, GDP constantly reacts with a “certain delay” in time, but with a cumulative component in terms of pain.
      So it's not evening yet.
    2. Anyone
      Anyone 9 January 2018 15: 51
      +4
      The airspace of Syria is periodically invaded by the Turkish Air Force and the Israeli Air Force. Israeli aircraft generally "work" for purposes in the form of units that are actually part of the SAA, as well as the storage and communications of the SAA. In this regard, the question is: do you propose to bring down planes of the USA and Great Britain or all violators of Syrian airspace, including the Israeli and Turkish air forces?
      1. iouris
        iouris 9 January 2018 15: 58
        +4
        The answer must be proportionate to the threat. Do you see the difference between the political goals of Turkey or Israel and the USA, coupled with Great Britain (not only in Syria, but also in the Russian Federation), or not?
        1. Anyone
          Anyone 9 January 2018 16: 03
          +1
          I see. And you? For example, tell me, what, in your opinion, is Turkey’s goal in Syria? And is this goal connected with the desire to dismember Syria and remove Assad? If so (and this is so), then what is the fundamental difference between the goals in Syria of the Turkish leadership and the goals pursued by the US leadership in this country?
          1. iouris
            iouris 9 January 2018 16: 11
            +6
            Erdogan can set any goals, but the United States and Great Britain will not let them achieve them. So Turkey and these two are two big differences for the Russian Federation. However, very different political forces operate within the leadership of the Russian Federation.
            1. Anyone
              Anyone 9 January 2018 16: 15
              +1
              And I think that the desire to create a Kurdish state from part of the territory of ex-Syria very much unites Turkey and the United States in terms of strategic goals in the SAR.
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 9 January 2018 17: 16
                +2
                vice versa can? -not integrate
                we will help the Kurds then, in part.
                to the share of the help of the Turks to the United States (and their Kurds)
                DOS in this Kurdish brawl - in Iran.
                he will help Arabs and others in Iraq and Syria.
                or is this help not enough to "close" the Kurdish issue?
                1. Anyone
                  Anyone 9 January 2018 22: 31
                  +1
                  I believe that Erdogan is still ready to take risks and slow down the opposition to creating a real Kurdistan. Obviously, Erdogan is confident that Kurdistan will not spread to the Kurdish regions of Turkey. And if that happens, it will be the solution to the Kurdish problem in Turkey. In this, the interests of the United States and Turkey in the SAR may coincide. Iran is a minor player here - its business is to supply the Assad’s army in Syria with Afghan Shiite mercenaries and give money to Hezbollah. And there are not very many Kurds in Iran - a maximum of 4 million.
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 9 January 2018 23: 23
        +1
        Syrian air defense forces - why not? Both state employees and Israelis on completely legal grounds fill up in the territory of Syria. Say a Pantsyrrya rocket on an OLS from an ambush. It’s true that it’s difficult to do this - there are plenty of informants, mother’s native is for money, not that they will sell their homeland. But it would be possible. Israel will certainly rush to the bayonets, but I think the GDP will be able to reassure them by threatening to deploy additional air defense forces and Iskanders along the border and respond to every blow to the iron domes. And the staff will wet the diapers, although they will scream to heaven and fly along the borders with Syria with all sorts of Avax and b-52. But, while in Syria, the Russians will not do anything - a maximum of a couple of provocations with victims, such as the Ukrainian one.
  3. Anyone
    Anyone 9 January 2018 15: 34
    +4
    Did the American F-22 find our A-50, and in general, whether the A-50 was in the air - the author does not know, but believes that "it should have been." Based on this assumption, further conclusions are drawn about the use / non-use of radar, etc. Probably, there are too many "ifs" in the article.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 9 January 2018 16: 56
      +2
      Most likely it was .. Oddly enough. Otherwise, how to explain the presence of Su 35 on time. The attack aircraft then went unaccompanied.
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 9 January 2018 22: 52
        +2
        Hard to tell. How long were the attack aircraft over the target? How long does it take to find an F-22 rapprochement with our aircraft, report to the base, raise a fighter (why a single one, by the way?) And fly to the site of Sushek rendezvous with the Raptor? In short, there are options.
      2. Lucy
        Lucy 9 January 2018 22: 53
        0
        Enough An-26RT.
    2. Lucy
      Lucy 9 January 2018 22: 55
      0
      If the corner reflect. hang up.
  4. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 9 January 2018 15: 47
    +4
    Why should not the Americans deal with the omissions and terpils as they do with the omissions and terpils? We have spent a lot of effort, money and energy on cleansing the territory of Syria from barmaley. However, the Americans came and said Russia
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 9 January 2018 17: 18
      +4
      MOSCOW WAS NOT BUILT IN A DAY
      and South Vietnam did not immediately release the "VIETNAMS"
  5. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 9 January 2018 16: 14
    +2
    All military pilots and the Russian Ministry of Defense, and so it is clear about the need for the early installation of long-range missiles, but they are also not a panacea in air combat, the main air battle will just take place at medium and short (less often) distances, given the modern speeds of military aircraft.
  6. Zefr
    Zefr 9 January 2018 16: 20
    +3
    Maybe close up a massive volley of calibers?
    Nobody went to the Americans, but the bases were crushed a little.
    Nuacho. A grenade flies to a Jew;
    Announce the provocation of the SDA (retroactively) and scare them a little there.
  7. Konstantm
    Konstantm 9 January 2018 17: 03
    +1
    Better to overestimate than then bite your elbows on your feet.
  8. turbris
    turbris 9 January 2018 17: 36
    +2
    Such a great article. Is a vinaigrette made from different events and just to justify the need to bring to mind the RVV-AE-PD rocket? Very clever, but the VKS do not know about this? So what is the article written for?
  9. KKND
    KKND 9 January 2018 17: 43
    +3
    The author, as always, uttered a bunch of clever words (from the ceiling), as he said "good wassat "Lewis Carroll man:" Alice, don't say beautiful words, just because they are beautiful. "
    The F-22 could fly with Lunenberg lenses. Time.
    Aim-120D is not a "miracle rocket", with mega-speed fuel and from it 100 km away and a 0 generation fighter will dodge. If only the ACT would understand. Two.
    Yes, the tactics with every Rooks Su-35 and AWACS are very clever to launch. What if there is a "Raptor" there ?. Che there let’s launch the A-100 wassat. Three.
    OLS for 100-80 km of pearls is such that at least stand, at least fall. Radars are no longer needed. Four.
    You can list for a long time, but, unfortunately Damantsev does not learn anything, judging by the collection of articles, that’s sad.
    There are beautiful words, no understanding.
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 9 January 2018 20: 43
      0
      You read his articles on the Internet, you will be even more surprised
  10. BAI
    BAI 9 January 2018 18: 22
    +1
    aggressive maneuvering alongside our Rooks assault unit.

    Where did the link come from? Initially, ONE plane appeared in the news and no one spoke out with a refutation of this information. Moreover, both the American and our fighters also acted alone.
    1. Lucy
      Lucy 9 January 2018 22: 57
      0
      At Damantsev, the pair became a link.
  11. Nemesis
    Nemesis 9 January 2018 19: 21
    +1
    The first real fight will show who is stronger
  12. serge siberian
    serge siberian 9 January 2018 19: 29
    +2
    In the intricacies of the radar, the boom is not a boom, but the article seems to win. The article just says that the United States is better equipped with radar equipment, but did not notice how the SU-35 appeared at a distance of a direct cannon shot. Forgive my colleagues, I understand. repeat hi
  13. shinobi
    shinobi 9 January 2018 20: 08
    +3
    The Raptor is a good car, but it is extremely expensive and does not know how to work alone against an equal enemy. In this regard, the US Air Force has a completely unambiguous directive to avoid any confrontation with our fighters if there is at least 3 times superiority. And if Needles and Hornets can still butt one alone with our Rusks, the Raptors are strictly forbidden. Here and draw conclusions. All these reflection and noticeability coefficients become a diploma if there is a full-fledged station on the ground or an AWACS aircraft dangles in the air. Do not exaggerate the capabilities of the enemy. As well, underestimate, however, too.
  14. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 9 January 2018 20: 41
    0
    Everything is lost (((
  15. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 9 January 2018 20: 46
    0
    Pochel. I was surprised. I read it again. Looked at the author. Got it. It’s interesting, and in what specific types of weapons does Mr. Damantsev “cut”? In all?
  16. Doliva63
    Doliva63 9 January 2018 21: 27
    +4
    Well, with the panacea, everything is clear, but they wrote somewhere that the Raptors were 2 - one was hanging nearby while the second was surviving. And ours, too, were a couple: one drove the insolent, the second "pass" of his accomplice. It is not clear where their AWACS looked that they had blinked ours. Judging by the results, it looks like an ambush. I'm far from a cheer patriot, but if so - bravo!
  17. mak_sim
    mak_sim 9 January 2018 22: 44
    +1
    In an escalation environment, the raptors would be shot down by our 300-400 immediately after take-off, and they would be deaf and blind due to the active operation of the electronic warfare.
  18. Alexander Borisov
    Alexander Borisov 9 January 2018 22: 50
    +1
    Nothing is said about the use of the Su-35 electronic warfare in a real collision with the F-22.
  19. myobius59
    myobius59 10 January 2018 10: 16
    +1
    Interesting discussion of this article turned out. At the beginning of the numbers, recourse then the formulas, belay then beer, brandy and calvados. drinks
    That's just something about women nothing ... love
  20. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 10 January 2018 13: 20
    +1
    We’ll also hasten to bring down an excessive share of pathos from those “experts” who claimed that the Raptor, through the on-board passive electronic intelligence complex AN / ALR-94, revealed the main modes of operation of the on-board radar with PFAR Irbis-E
    Actually, the Irbis-E is a modification of the radar for the Su-35, which is exported. And the letter Э as if hinting at it.
    with 100% probability it can be argued that the Su-35S pilot received target designation from the AWACS A-50U aircraft, as well as radio communications from the Rooks themselves when they entered the airborne area of ​​the incident, while the airborne radar was not used
    Come on, I won’t believe that the new Su-35 radar wasn’t tested for such an interesting purpose, and the reconnaissance of radar operating modes will be recognized very quickly a long time ago. So do not invent tragedies.
    Our A-50U, illuminating the “Sushki” air situation, would also detect the “Raptors” and the approaching AMRAAMs, but at a distance of about 100-120 km.
    Quite a bold statement ... But overall, I liked the article.
  21. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 10 January 2018 16: 54
    +1
    the mattresses announced the O-F-22 in the amount of 0,00001 m squared .... So our guys have no chance at all supposedly .. Only the installation of a meter range radar will allow them to be taken for escort and destruction. And if this territory is lost. then there’s only one way out: apply nuclear weapons megatons that way at 10 .. am
  22. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 10 January 2018 17: 12
    +1
    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
    That's what the states have at the highest level, it's PR.
    A small sketch, not about airplanes, not about space, but in general, about the American mentality. (I hope it will be appropriate)
    Schwarzenegger at some sort of competition was supposed to oppose a young but gifted athlete.
    Iron Arnie himself at that time was already a large size on the sports Olympus.
    And now, somewhere behind the scenes they intersect, Arnie, seeing that the applicant is very good, makes a “compliment” to him, that he is, of course, well done, but we need to work on these or other muscle groups. A beginner from such a remark does not feel confident, as a result, he weakly acts and Schwarzenegger gets his next title.
    This is the usual psychological pressure, the story was told by the future governor of California himself, not ashamed much, but rather boasted.
    Therefore, when we hear that Americans, Americans, silicon transistors, etc., we must understand that this is the psychological treatment of the enemy.
    They never admit to their weak points. In many ways, great fellows, they have a high index of human development, but how much ambition, how much, in fact, a bluff!
    Lord! Well isn't that funny?

    Not funny! No matter what, the Americans are a great nation (although their politicians and financiers are definitely for the count of all). Here is a tool from Bovidix, a work of art. And the F-22 EPR is low, lower than that of the SU-57 ...
  23. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 10 January 2018 22: 26
    +1
    Yes, an objective article. Syria has comprehensively shown our and American flaws in aircraft and this will benefit our specialists. We need long-range missiles, which we probably do not have yet.
  24. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 11 January 2018 04: 58
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    Quote: Konstantin Kiselev
    All such SMARTsparks are already pouring from the eyes, and about [b] ROFAR don't hear prefefesira

    If they are so smart ... why don’t you build on the sofa? :)
  25. vandarus
    vandarus 12 January 2018 11: 25
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    On 27.11.17/25/3,5, two Su-35s performed a mission in the area of ​​the conventional separation line, along the Euphrates. Attack aircraft were at an altitude of about 10 thousand meters. After some time, the pilots of the stormtroopers visually discovered Raptor walking a little higher and in front of them, who in every way attracted attention. Neither the air control system, nor the su 35 escort, traveling at an altitude of about 22 thousand, were discovered by the Raptor. T.E. Neither the OLS nor the Su 35C radar were seen f 22, and only when the attack pilots began to scream openly on the air that they saw the Raptor, the su 3 pilot went down, where he visually discovered the American. Then a beautiful story began, how the American got scared and left. But about the second Raptor, who walked at an altitude of about 0 thousand meters and went into the tail, they did not say a word to the whole carbalet. Thus, it was the simplest trap in which ours climbed with both legs. In real combat, that would be XNUMX-XNUMX.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 January 2018 17: 01
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      Even the Americans did not say anything, but they knew better from the sofa.
    2. anykin
      anykin 13 January 2018 17: 03
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      Did you notice either the plane or the IR trap?
  26. EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 January 2018 17: 00
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    All that I wanted to say in the last paragraph. It could have been shorter.
  27. Victor Peter
    Victor Peter 13 January 2018 20: 48
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    A dumb article teeming with numerous technical information, taken from a source: "someone said something somewhere." The actual performance of the product is probably dramatically different from those in the public domain.
    They and the Ishilovites they supported, too, until the very last were convinced that the calibers did not fly further than 600 km, and that they could only hit a target the size of a football field. The bitter truth "with a twinkle" has covered ovskii foster
  28. Conserp
    Conserp 15 January 2018 14: 49
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    F-22A could carry out covert launch of long-range guided air combat missiles AIM-120D AMRAAM from a distance of more than 150 km


    From where only this nonsense is sucked. From Wikipedia, or what?

    The range of the AIM-120D at an altitude of 10 km is about 35 km. At medium altitudes, half as much.

    At these ranges, no stealth exists, either in the radar or in the infrared. (At the same time, the Su-35 is capable of detecting the missile itself (!) From about 100 km by radar.) Only if you can get out of the dead zones without turning on the radar — moreover, the raptor has a much narrower overview and there is no OLS. But this is an old tactic for which stealth is not needed.
  29. kerosene
    kerosene 17 January 2018 07: 14
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    OLS-35: Detection range of an AFTER-type fighter target:
    up to 50 km in faculty
    up to 90 km in ZPS
    Data from the KNAAPO site for export versions of the Su-35.
  30. kerosene
    kerosene 17 January 2018 07: 18
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    Dodging the AIM-120D, our pilots would launch the R-27ER or RVV-SD missiles towards the Raptors. But the range of their effective action at medium altitudes is about 80–90 km

    Bullshit!
    Launch range data for missiles in service with the Russian Air Force has never been published in open press.
    And the data that is on the KTRV website is referred to EXPORT modifications.
  31. asr55
    asr55 19 January 2018 02: 34
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    There is no point in commenting on this Damanyuschyn.