Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: UAVs launched from a distance of more than 50 km were used against the bases of the Russian Federation in Syria

Militants in Syria used 13 drums drones during an attempt to attack the Russian bases "Khmeimim" and "Tartus" on the night of January 6, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

The security system of the Russian Hmeimim airbase and the logistics station of the Russian Navy in the city of Tartus on the night of 5 on 6 January successfully failed an attack by terrorists with a massive use of drone unmanned aerial vehicles

- Said in the military.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, Russian air defense systems at a considerable distance revealed 13 small-sized air targets of unknown affiliation, approaching Russian military targets.

Ten assault unmanned aerial vehicles were approaching the Russian Hmeimim airbase and three more - to the point of material and technical support of the Russian Navy in the city of Tartus

- Said in the Ministry of Defense.

An attempt to attack terrorists on Russian facilities in Syria with the help of UAVs was repulsed by means of electronic warfare and Pantsir-S air defense systems, added to the Defense Ministry

Seven unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed by regular anti-aircraft missile-cannon complexes "Pantsir-S" of the Russian air defense units, carrying round-the-clock combat duty

- Said in the military.

According to the Ministry of Defense, six more UAVs were intercepted by Russian electronic warfare units.

Of these, three were planted in the controlled area outside the base, and three more unmanned aerial vehicles detonated during landing from a collision with the ground

- noted in the Ministry of Defense.

Also in the military, they added that the terrorists used to attack Russian military facilities in Syria, aircraft-type drones with GPS guidance. The data of intercepted drones deciphered, the exact place of their launch is determined.

At present, Russian military experts are conducting a detailed analysis of the design, technical stuffing and improvised ammunition of captured attack unmanned aerial vehicles.

- leads "Interfax-AVN" message of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Comments

[jolly deckhand]

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

[210ox]

The main thing is that they intercepted. The rest is a matter of special services.

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

[Thrall]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

Here are the official photos of intercepted drones and "bombs":


https://m.vk.com/wall-133441491_120281

[Thrall]

"Bombs":

[Anatoly R]

These crackers except for the New Year to use. Or a neighbor in the cottage shit.

[Evgenijus]

Anatoly R:

These crackers except for the New Year to use. Or a neighbor in the cottage shit.

Or reset the refinery, here's the fireworks will be! Or to the civilian airport in Cairo (for tourists from Russia on the head) ... And how much kerosene in one Boeing? But does one Boeing stand at the airport for taking off or landing passengers?
So much for the crackers ...

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Anatoly R

These crackers except for the New Year to use. Or a neighbor in the cottage shit.

You would serve in the army, preferably - to take part in hostilities. Then they would begin to understand a little about the ammunition and the consequences of their use. Kindergarten got lost ...

[Going]

The conflict can go into another phase, and ours need to keep an eye out.

[Inok10]

Quote: Going

The conflict can go into another phase, and ours need to keep an eye out.

... they will spoil ... this is in English and gentlemanly, not the first time ...

Quote: xetai9977

God, what pathos! SHOCK UAVs! Are these the ones that are assembled on a knee on a do-it-yourself basis?

... well described here ... http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4860795 ... quote:

"Engineering solutions used by terrorists in an attack on Russian targets in Syria could be obtained only from one of the countries that have high technological capabilities to provide satellite navigation and remote control the dumping of professionally assembled improvised explosive devices in the assigned coordinates," the Defense Ministry emphasized.
According to the ministry, all terrorist drones are equipped with barometric sensors and elevator control servos. In addition, foreign-made fuses were used in improvised explosive devices of terrorists attached to aircraft-type UAVs, the Ministry of Defense noted.

"At present, competent Russian specialists are establishing channels for delivering these technologies and devices to terrorists, and they are also studying the type and origin of explosive mixtures used for IEDs (improvised explosive devices)," the military department added.

The military also notes that the use by militants in Syria of aircraft-type drone drones suggests that they have received technology to launch such an attack in any country.
More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4860795

... it's not a grenade tied to a Chinese helicopter ...

[Serg koma]

Quote: Inok10

fuses used foreign production, noted in the Ministry of Defense
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4860795.

This "uncle", from the press center of the Moscow Region, could not have voiced anything more intelligible?
So following his logic - fuses them, and UAV OUR??
He has no ears, he has something else, for such a "competent" comment, you need to unscrew it !!!

[papas-57]

Maybe ours can launch `` unidentified '' strike drones in the position of gentlemen, check their air defense. Well, there will be a universal kipish.

[xetai9977]

God, what pathos! SHOCK UAVs! Are these the ones that are assembled on a knee on a do-it-yourself basis?

[Inok10]

Quote: xetai9977

God, what pathos! SHOCK UAVs! Are these the ones that are assembled on a knee on a do-it-yourself basis?

... assemble on your knee and demonstrate ...

[Dreamboat]

He cannot, he stands on them and bows to the "masters of the world."
A drone can also be assembled on the knee, the main control / guidance unit, and all the rest is garbage, if only it does not fall off in flight.

[Inok10]

Quote: Dreamboat

A drone can also be assembled on the knee, the main control / guidance unit, and all the rest is garbage, if only it does not fall off in flight.

... gold words ! ... and, most importantly, the positioning system and most importantly from where they know the air defense positions and the main cherry on the cake - their coordinates! ... this is not visible with binoculars ... you have to work hard for this ... somehow the barmalei didn’t have such cleverness before ... well, here’s the FPS control, remote reset, everything’s about an adult ... whose then our ears won’t tell whose ... but it’s not hard to guess ... our RTR / RER worked wonderfully ... because such a bird has an image intensifier of 0,00 ... it’s just wooden and its flight height not in km. measured ...

[Shahno]

This is strange. But this accuracy does not fit on the knee. Not that.

[Midshipman]

What is there to dock? I poked Google maps anywhere - I got the exact coordinates. I copied it to the flight controller and you're done.

[Inok10]

Quote: Midshipman

What is there to dock? I poked Google maps anywhere - I got the exact coordinates. I copied it to the flight controller and you're done.

... with a half-elbow accuracy on the map ...

Quote: Shahno

This is strange. But this accuracy does not fit on the knee. Not that.

... Paul, my respect! ... ... the riddle has already been resolved, you yourself understand the details no longer needed:

MOSCOW, January 9. / TASS /. A U.S. Navy reconnaissance aircraft Poseidon was hovering between Tartus and Khmeimim during the attack of terrorist-controlled drones on Russian military facilities in Syria. This was announced on Tuesday in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
"... it’s a strange coincidence, why during the period of the UAV [unmanned aerial vehicles] terrorists’ attack on Russian military facilities in Syria over the Mediterranean Sea for more than four hours at an altitude of 7 thousand meters, it was the US Navy reconnaissance aircraft Partidos between Tartus and Khmeimim, - they said in the Russian military.
More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4862282

... the puzzle has developed ... but yes, we are no longer accustomed to pushing ourselves with our elbows, the Pidzhakov publicity is indignant, but previously did not know about such things ...

[Midshipman]

On aliexpress, the entire set of equipment can be bought for $ 200. Anduin 100r, ZhPS 600 sensor, gyroscope / barometer / magnetometer on one board the size of a brand of 500 r. Now any student who is familiar with the basics of programming and aerodynamics can make such a "shock drone" on his knee for a week for the money saved on school breakfasts.

[Dreamboat]

You can see the genius abruptly Leo Davinci ... all over the world, the Ministry of Defense invests huge budgets, whole institutes work, but it was necessary to order on Ali
I only know one country where hundreds of schoolchildren invent shock drones, but I won’t call them, I’m sorry for them .... and so they spread rot.

[insular]

Quote: Dreamboat

invest huge budgets

This is a key point in your message. Need to master budgets ...

Collect a drone a lot of mind is not necessary. All components are on sale.
Perhaps the problem is only in secure transceiver devices, but I guess that having access to the black market is not a problem.

[avdkrd]

Quote: Dreamboat

You can see the genius abruptly Leo Davinci ... all over the world, the Ministry of Defense invests huge budgets, whole institutes work, but it was necessary to order on Ali

Just Gardemarin is right. There is no problem making GPS guidance, standard quadrocopters with a GPS module are sold on Ali even in a finished form. “Normal” attack drones are distinguished by the presence of a protected channel for the use of guided weapons and control, programmable flight along GPS coordinates and even dropping bombs along these coordinates is really a simple task and is easily implemented on an elemental base purchased quite legally. Another thing is that the devices assembled “on the knee” were made according to a very technological project, which provided for a very significant carrying capacity and an acceptable flight range (although the result is one way 50 km) and the most important materials for assembling the airframe.

[Midshipman]

There is nothing secret in the materials. Foam, scotch tape and several wooden slats are sufficient for a 50 km flight. The wing profile is cut out with a hot string, the rudders are hung on reinforced tape, rocking boars made of textolite, traction made of wire. If you have a finished project (even if I’m not a specialist, I’ll draw it in a couple of days) and little experience in making such a glider takes two to three people days at a cost of a couple thousand rubles.

By the way, judging by the photo, this is exactly how this drone was made - white foam surfaces are covered with multi-colored tape.

[Midshipman]

This is what. I don’t have the most expensive Chinese smartphone. It can find a person’s face in a photograph and determine its gender and age! And it’s very accurate. Mobile computers with similar performance (google berry) cost 2 tr. With the proper skill, it is possible to assemble a program from the software libraries that are freely available that can recognize the terrain from the image from the onboard camera. An unmanned aerial vehicle with such a system does not even need an FSS, and you can’t get it off-course by the REB unless you burn the electronics with a powerful electromagnetic pulse.

[Dalailama]

Do not hang on your cow zhps, otherwise they will rake for espionage.

[Said]

What does the coordinates of air defense? They went to military bases. Their coordinates are not an open secret. And as for the air defense positions, they are well seen by the partners' satellites.

[Anatoly R]

I think these are the first American drones made as prototypes that have been in the warehouse since 1970.

[insular]

Quote: Inok10

... assemble on your knee and demonstrate ...

Half a year ago, I wrote that using only online stores, you can assemble a drone from a free sale with a range of 100 km and a payload of 20-25 kg with a minimum budget.
If you are not in the subject of radio-controlled models, then this is not a reason to gnaw.

I personally assembled a radio-controlled buggy model that even has a stabilized camcorder on servos, with position tracking for connecting to virtual reality glasses and a control range of 1 km.
Its size is 1: 8 and its carrying capacity is about 5 kg with a speed of 40-60 km / h along the intersection (at a lower speed, the payload can be several times greater).
Having more serious transceiver devices, you can go to where as long range.
It must be said, what can be done from this with malicious intent?

[Inok10]

Quote: insular

Half a year ago, I wrote that using only online stores, you can assemble a drone from a free sale with a range of 100 km and a payload of 20-25 kg with a minimum budget.

... cool, collect ... and try to take into account the following parameters in managing it:
- course demolition
- terrain
- natural obstacles on the flight route, pipes of the CHP, power lines 110-330 kV, high-rise buildings
- Weather Status
and Cherry - direct radio communication range - Radio horizon ... I wish you good luck ... and all this on Google maps and with reference to their coordinates ... +/- 50 m. ... and of course everything with Alli Express ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: xetai9977

God, what pathos! SHOCK UAVs! Are these the ones that are assembled on a knee on a do-it-yourself basis?

And who fly at an altitude of 20-50 m, and whose EPR is 0 whole, hell of a tenth ... go find it and intercept it ...
At the same time, since such a master, try to collect something like that yourself, so that it also reaches the target, and does not fly wherever it wants.

[vlad66]

Quote: xetai9977

God, what pathos! SHOCK UAVs! Are these the ones that are assembled on a knee on a do-it-yourself basis?

In Karabakh, too, much has been gathered up on his knee, but isn’t it shooting? There is such pathos, fools, bastards, VKS even more fools, they only drink vodka, some mattresses, coupled with Azerbaijan, are smart, where to go.

[max702]

Quote: xetai9977

God, what pathos! SHOCK UAVs! Are these the ones that are assembled on a knee on a do-it-yourself basis?

Paphos say? now when such a drone flies into a civilian plane for 300 passengers that way .. it won’t seem like pathos .. Or let’s say for public festivities on Red Square. or at the stadium .. And if there are a dozen of them with chemistry, or what other muck?

[dSK]

Hello "funny sailor"

According to the Ministry of Defense, six more drones intercepted the Russian units of electronic warfare. Also, the military department added that the terrorists used GPS-type drones to attack Russian military facilities in Syria. The data of the intercepted drones is decrypted, the exact place of their launch is determined.

EW worked successfully, even took the "prisoners".

[jolly deckhand]

Hello to you, too!!! Only one thing is embarrassing (well, I can’t do it without a fly in the ointment) - well, they didn’t repulse the attack on the base when ours died, the Kingdom of Heaven, the Warriors, their heads folded on the battlefield ...?

[The black]

In response, it’s time to soak in the trash all the bases on which the Ishilov’s kiss kisses with American instructors .... and it’s enough to politically correct .... but something like this political correctness begins to look like an elementary fear of getting a cradle, covered by a wrapper of universal brotherhood, humanism , partnerships and other crap. You need to fight hard .... or then do not fight at all ....

[allaykbar]

but something like this political correctness begins to look like an elementary fear of getting lyuley

I think when you will be responsible for about 140 million lives - you will not flaunt and calmly talk about getting / giving stars

[yousha1980]

Even if they grinded someone in response, then why brag about it all over the world? Whoever intended it would understand everything. And complaining to them is also not reasonable. Well this is not staged stories about civilians to shoot. Someday then we will find out in the form of tales what yes and how.

[Rusfaner]

For the bombardment carried out by unknown people, ours were bombed by unknown ... (s)
(from the 80s, in my opinion)

[a.boroda61]

In response to an attack on a peacefully plowing Soviet tractor, the collective farm chairman sent vertical take-off seeders and jet plows .... well, etc. ...

[_Jack_]

then there was mortar fire, this is a completely different song

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Only one thing confuses (well, I can’t do it without a fly in the ointment) - well, they didn’t repel the attack on the base when ours died

Shells and EW tools do not intercept mortar mines.
Don’t be embarrassed - go to school tomorrow. And listen to the "authoritative" Navalny again.

[210ox]

Not to be beaten off? This is from the same opera when they sang laudatory odes and relaxed.

Quote: jolly deckhand

Hello to you, too!!! Only one thing is embarrassing (well, I can’t do it without a fly in the ointment) - well, they didn’t repulse the attack on the base when ours died, the Kingdom of Heaven, the Warriors, their heads folded on the battlefield ...?

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: 210ox

This is from the same opera when they sang laudatory odes and relaxed

You are not quite right. Neither the US in Vietnam, nor the USSR and NATO in Afghanistan have ever had 100% secure airfields.
Here is an article with bmpd (the main commentary on it should not be read), for example: "Measures to Protect American Aviation Bases in Vietnam" https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3037926.html
In addition, even at the stage of creating the base, there was information that, due to its location and the characteristics of the airfield, all the equipment is very crowded.

[dSK]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Well, they didn’t repel the attack on the base,

New Year's Eve, relaxed a little, "where it is thin, there it breaks", and the enemy has long been no honor or conscience.
Firewood, the pictures of which you posted, arrived about three days ago, and this is a fresh "fly".

[Svarog51]

Namesake, welcome
Congratulations to Colonel

and this is a fresh "fly"

And "washed off" cognac.

[LeonidL]

Respected! Mines, unlike drones and missiles of the MLRS, the Shell does not intercept and EW does not land. it’s almost impossible to bring down a mine ... yet.

[Captain Nemo]

Yes, yes, Shell also intercepts bullets. Teeth

[Kent0001]

This is our trump card (EW). I was particularly pleased that the devices were VERY SMALL and neutralized from materials that mainly absorb radiation. I think sworn friends are now scratching their turnips and cursing profanely in English.

[hrych]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay, lie.

Something lies at you godlessly. A conspiracy of some dark forces. The Ministry of Defense is certainly not your authority. Who is your authority among our (maybe foreign) politicians and social activists? Explain, please?

[jolly deckhand]

The authority for me is by no means speaking heads from federal channels. People who took a direct part, and we have enough of them in the Province, have someone to listen to, believe me ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: jolly deckhand

The authority for me is by no means speaking heads from federal channels. hi People who were directly involved

You know, in the USSR, I managed to catch him, there was a lot of talk about saying that newspapers are lying, but there are people who have seen, know, etc. And then there really were enough problems. That's just, as it turned out, it was necessary to trust the newspapers more and less to everyone who knew and participated directly.

[bulvas]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Authority for me is by no means ...

and who cares?

You are already sure, you are not an authority, at least write a hundred times

If you understand the question - write on the case, then maybe you deserve credibility
Grumbling and whining - never

[bulvas]

Quote: Dart2027

You know, in the USSR, I managed to catch him, there was a lot of talk about saying that newspapers are lying, but there are people who have seen, know, etc. And then there really were enough problems. That's just, as it turned out, it was necessary to trust the newspapers more and less to everyone who knew and participated directly.

And I also lived in it a lot.
I’ll say that there was a lot of lies in the newspapers, just like in any other country
And if they didn’t lie, then they simply were silent, we had no idea about much

[Dart2027]

Quote: bulvas

I will say that the lies in the newspapers were not enough

It was the same as now and at any other time. That's just not all was a lie.

[Anyone]

Quote: Dart2027

That's just, as it turned out, it was necessary to trust the newspapers more and less to everyone who knew and participated directly.

What are you doing on the forum then? Go read the newspapers.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Anyone

What are you doing on the forum then? Go read the newspapers.

I enlighten you.

[Anyone]

So you just (a couple of posts above) recommended that everyone present not listen. Lied?

[bulvas]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Anyone

What are you doing on the forum then? Go read the newspapers.

I enlighten you.

Would be ashamed of why you lower yourself so ridiculously

[Dart2027]

Quote: Anyone

recommended that everyone not listen to themselves.

Well, you believe those who saw it, and here I am sharing observations.

[Kent0001]

Well, yes, just who really fought, then that rule is silent (no offense). There are many limiting factors for such people.

[LeonidL]

You, my dear, recognize only yourself as an authority ... well, probably the most non-federal honest channels like Rain, but from the politicians Provenny and Ksyushu? Download further.

[allaykbar]

You, my dear, recognize only yourself as an authority ... well, probably the most non-federal honest channels like Rain, but from the politicians Provenny and Ksyushu? Download further.

Well, yes, just who really fought, then that rule is silent (no offense). There are many limiting factors for such people.

You are already sure, you are not an authority, at least write a hundred times

I think there is no sense in writing to him. there Cossack Rodnoverie brain with all that it implies.

There is nothing left to do but enter into various "Slavic brotherhoods", write on the forum and fight posts with the Kremlin and the Fed. Channels

[Prisoner]

For some gentlemen, the delusions of the barmalei and the lies of their masters see the ultimate truth? It’s sad.

[Muvka]

I said that everything is fine. Great training for air defense. And I was sure that everything was fine yesterday, when even the enemy air force recognized that the attack was thwarted.

[Going]

This is not training, this is war and the acquisition of valuable experience, sometimes at the cost of life, we wish ours not to be mistaken.

[Muvka]

Well, I think you understand the meaning of my message. Sorry, I’m teaching all day today. The head swells. It’s hard to choose words.

[Going]

Of course I understood, just strengthened your message and that’s it.

[Mountain shooter]

This construction of sticks and camel manure is not capable of flying! Don’t need a blizzard ...

[Baloo]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This construction of sticks and camel manure is not capable of flying! Don’t need a blizzard ...

That's it, Do not blizzard Mountain shooter. You just have to follow the bazaar.

[Baloo]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

Indeed, we collected such models in an aircraft modeling club in the distant Soviet childhood. Engines, control panels, etc., were written out through DOSOAF. Now, such aircraft sets are produced commercially. On the next branch (military materials) more detailed photos. How much is needed to damage a military aircraft at the Khmeini airfield. An extremely unfortunate place for a military base.

[svp67]

Quote: jolly deckhand

That's what was used - on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

Only in order to control the UAV at a distance of 50 km and equip it with the necessary engine and equipment, the Pioneer House should be too cool, but what could be planted ...

[insular]

Quote: svp67

Only in order to control the UAV at a distance of 50 km and equip it with the necessary engine and equipment, the Pioneer House should be too cool, but what could be planted ...

You are a little behind the reality of radio-controlled models.
By the way, it is precisely the fact that they planted it and says that telemetry and the receiver are without any protection - i.e. commercial ...

[Nick]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

And your portrait on the avatar is not very similar to the portrait in the frame, or are you with a camera? Where did the firewood come from? Informed you are our ...

[ando_bor]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

It's a shame - yes?

[rocket757]

The perfect one-time bomb carrier! Material, but at least manure, skosh, paper ... the hardening surface is scanty !!!
No telemetry, i.e. noticeable radiation. barometric altitude sensor !!! GPS coordinates, which is also not very noticeable! Simple control controller and u! Will go where it is programmed !!! The instructors in the house of pioneers were knowledgeable!
One moment, the coordinates of the target SHOULD BE EXACTLY KNOWING ... here the “partners” definitely helped the barmalei, the bombs are very small, you need to hit the target exactly!

[Dreamboat]

And you try to think, if these drone managed to land without explosion, there is such a simple control system "barometric altitude sensor !!! GPS coordinates", or someone still managed to control them at such a distance and they should not bombed by GPS , but sighting?

[rocket757]

And you try to believe \ check \ read that GPS is the same channel for receiving information! It is possible to pour into the control system on this channel what you need ... the channel is not military, the identity controller is hardly military and the level of protection is primitive / already known.
Our military loudly declared that drones are made on the basis of high technology IT ...
I’m still not a very gullible person, and in the sphere of my professional interests I have every reason to believe that NO ONE BARMAELIUM MILITARY REAL / SECRET TECHNOLOGIES WILL NOT GIVE !!!
It is unlikely that barmalei have super-duper programmers who write new super secure programs !!! take from public, special sites !!! which are tracked by special services and warriors, i.e. EW developers.
An example is a self-made anti-theft alarm on a car - if a person thinks in a standard way, the hijacker put his hand under the panel and hi, the car left, and if there’s any fanatic with imagination !!! go find where and how he put it in and connected it !!! So it is more necessary and with imagination !!!
And as for accuracy, don’t worry ... they did a copter without telemetry, purely according to a given program, put an object in a circle of 2-3 meters, not immediately, but it worked. One obstacle WIND !!!!
So telemetry, et is desirable, but not necessary!

[Maz]

Shaw was required to prove! Bravo shell and creed

[Captain Nemo]

Do you really think your wit is funny? I remember, on the eve of the beginning of the Second World War, too, the cry was about "little blood and on foreign territory"

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Captain Nemo

Do you really think your wit is funny? I remember, on the eve of the beginning of the Second World War, too, the cry was about "little blood and on foreign territory"

What varied? If you decide to remember the beginning of the Second World War, then at the same time remember how you acted then with whiners, all-scufflers, alarmists, deserters and other muck.

[SSR]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

Did you determine the types of other UAVs from one photo, their range, and payload?

Quote: Thrall

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

Here are the official photos of intercepted drones and "bombs":


https://m.vk.com/wall-133441491_120281

Thank you so much, at least some specifics and not a fake nagging with an embossed photo of a brave Syrian, who was guarding Khmeimim and who found himself personally damaged from the UAV’s cartoon.

[just exp]

maybe you are lying?
and then here recently, before the elections, people with fresh registration have activated who want to convince us that everything is bad and we are doing everything wrong.
and now a citizen is trying to convince us that UAVs with a range of 50 km are collected on their knees by illiterate Arabs.

[Maz]

And the fuses they have in the wrong system, papapararaa!

[alexmach]

And in the picture like

Russian military experts conduct a detailed analysis of the design, technical stuffing and home-made ammunition of captured drone unmanned aerial vehicles

[Seraphimamur]

What kind of bum in the photo with some trash? And then drones?

[kos2910]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

And specifically, what is the lie? Do not sculpt humpbacked. Photo published. Yes, self-made drones, but the specific filling is beyond the power of the pioneer house.

[renics]

Well, yes, Alibaba Chinese and ebay sell for 200 bucks apiece, and they cannot be any drums.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers."

What exactly annoys you in the message of our MO? In fact, our ministry of defense never planned to be called the ministry of truth, publicity and freedom of speech. He has other tasks - to defend his homeland. It seems that you are annoyed by the fact of a failed American attack. Well, be patient. You have to survive many more such failures.

[poquello]

in, this is more concrete and more fun

[svp67]

That's when the FAVORITES, then the FAVORITES. That the air defense fighters, that electronic warfare, if our MTR operators from those UAVs would have been caught, it would have been great in general. Now the main thing is not to relax and wait for new tricks from the "partners" ...

[Razvedka_Boem]

Someone the Russian MTR, obviously something to pinch ..

[svp67]

Quote: Razvedka_Boem

Someone the Russian MTR, obviously something to pinch ..

You can not even doubt it.

[iaroslav.mudryi]

I managed to dig up something, do not judge strictly that I give a link to an enemy tweet, but it seems that there is a video posted from one of those drones at the time the Shell was working on it: https://twitter.com/MGhorab3/status/9497166860679
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the inscription above the video (translation): unmanned aerial vehicles spin around to bombard Hameimim airport, and Russian soldiers try to intercept them with various weapons
The page belongs to a certain Mohammed Gorab - photographer, cameraman activist from Aleppo, his photo against the background of the flag of the Syrian Free Army - the "moderate" opposition, that is, Assad’s enemies and allies of the ov. Well, where did he get this drone video? Here is the thread for our MTR.

[Cetron]

Tweet deleted, does not exist! Urs-ss ...

[alexmach]

Everything is in place. The administration of the site would do well to work on the placement of links in comments

[iaroslav.mudryi]

exists, I give screenshots and videos, though not downloaded, I took off the screen:


https://yadi.sk/i/bzx7nvjr3RHFe5
https://yadi.sk/i/Idb1fyT33RHFfG

[iaroslav.mudryi]

try shortening the link:
https://twitter.com/MGhorab3
So opens his page ...

[Sands Careers General]

The main thing is that they successfully repelled the attack. He was present several times during the destruction of drones, in fact, even Zushka can be shot down.

[svp67]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

in fact, even Zushka can be brought down.

Knock down -1/3 of the case, 2/3 discover, this trifle

[Sands Careers General]

That's for sure, but how fun it is to drive this trifle)))

[Kent0001]

The main thing to discover in advance.

[Evgeniy667b]

Reflected and well, the main thing is not to relax and not to sing laudatory odes. There can be many more such attacks.

[senima56]

So it should be done: destroy or plant "on the territory under control"! The main thing is that not one comes back!

[Baloo]

Quote: senima56

destroy or land "in controlled territory"!

Destroy. There is nothing to plant there. What has been demonstrated is produced as consumer goods for aircraft model lovers. I will not mind if they calculate the company and it accidentally burns out.
In the first Chechen one in the Rostov Region or Stavropol Region, they launched the production of motor-hang gliders, on which Dudaev laid eyes. The Chekists worked on time, they closed the company. It was a pity to look at the owner of the company in the news. I remembered, because barmalei can use this as well. And the Khmeini base is located extremely unsuccessfully. There is no doubt that the Macington macaques will not leave our base alone, and this provocation is not the last. It's time to give an answer and harder.

[Kent0001]

I agree, "unidentified drones" and everything is in openwork. Tokma our zadr ..... ut. Unfortunately.

[Strips]

Also in the military, they added that the terrorists used to attack Russian military facilities in Syria, aircraft-type drones with GPS guidance. The data of intercepted drones deciphered, the exact place of their launch is determined.

Judging by the fact that both the data were decrypted and some were planted by electronic warfare, the primitive drones were really used by the terrorists.
Planting their problems is not special for the military.

[donavi49]

So the pictures are already mining. Conventional UAVs developed by BabahKB Idlib.

[donavi49]

Bombs. A little more advanced than black. Which stupidly to a grenade or 40mm American (they are more powerful) attached a stabilizer who poured plastic into molds, who cut stupidly from improvised pieces. Immediately technology.

[donavi49]

For comparison, black bombs.

[Spec]

3D printers are now available to everyone. I have three in my workshop. The most basic printer will print this form in a few hours. Cost of about 100 rubles. Moscow prices.

[Shahno]

What do you think the fuselage, the engine. Riveted and everything flew .. Bomb with accuracy in 100 m on the GPS map without tests, assembled on the knee, but at 50 km. Kindergarten.

[Spec]

I wrote about the bombs. In general, my knowledge obtained forty years ago in an aircraft modeling circle is quite enough to assemble an aircraft heavier than air in less than a week. which can fly to where it is needed, and with an average error of the GPS navigator, open the lock holding the warhead, or dive into a point on the map specified by the same navigator.
As for the tests ... This tactic was not used for the first time, and has been sufficiently developed. Look at YouTube, everything from assembly technology to application methods can be found.

[Shahno]

I am glad for your optimism. If so. You probably know about our minidrons. You can launch into the sky over Ashdod, even with experience after the mihlala, but the probability of achieving the goal is not great.
Although our babies fly into the windows. But this is after R&D and at the exit after the stands.
Although, as Sh. Used to say. "There are many friends of Horatio in the world, which our sages did not dream of."

[Spec]

I do not like to upset people, so I'm glad you are happy. The probability is always 50/50, i.e. either yes or no. I did not aim at the production of adult drone UAVs. I’m just informing you that the aircraft shown in the photo with a fuel supply of about two to three kg can fly 50 km through the navigator, without the help of an operator. Moreover, it can still be filmed on go-pro, and broadcast online through the simplest smartphone.
Well, and a video about adult and expensive toys:
look carefully from 3:20

[Baloo]

Quote: Spez

look carefully from 3:20

Thank you!

[Dreamboat]

The video is cool, but not related to the creations of the "broads".
Firstly, these are the best examples in the world championship, and not collected do not understand which of them do not understand what;
Secondly, all the talk about the experience from the houses of pioneers is nonsense. Planets yes, they were collecting, and almost no one was collecting the control himself. Especially on GPS, about which they had not even heard about .... So that the plane, correcting all deviations from the air flow, would go to the right point, it should be serious "brains", the whole point is who put them.
Thirdly, GPS control would not work, I regularly travel by car with GPS in the Moscow region, neither the Kremlin nor major military bases have a GPS signal ... it is very muffled and distorted.
Therefore, do not look at the "wing", you need to look at the "brains". Probably a charge was attached to them, so that in case of loss of the drone there would be no “brains”, so not all were shot down, but risked landing
And it was not for nothing that the Pentagon has already begun to make excuses: https://ria.ru/syria/20180108/1512262167.html

[Spec]

Quote: Dreamboat

Firstly, these are the best examples in the world championship, and not collected do not understand which of them do not understand what;
Secondly, all the talk about the experience from the houses of pioneers is nonsense. Planets yes, they were collecting, and almost no one was collecting the control himself. Especially on GPS, about which they had not even heard about .... So that the plane, correcting all deviations from the air flow, would go to the right point, it should be serious "brains", the whole point is who put them.
Thirdly, GPS control would not work, I regularly travel by car with GPS in the Moscow region, neither the Kremlin nor major military bases have a GPS signal ... it is very muffled and distorted.
Therefore, do not look at the "wing", you need to look at the "brains". Probably a charge was attached to them, so that in case of loss of the drone there would be no “brains”, so not all were shot down, but risked landing
And it was not for nothing that the Pentagon has already begun to make excuses: https://ria.ru/syria/20180108/1512262167.html

The points.
Firstly, the video. which I published speaks about the possibilities that can be obtained with the help of my own hands and brains. The models shown there are not purchased at the store, and are not mass-produced, but are designed and built on the basis of equipment available in the free sale. This is a long and painstaking work, and the pleasure is expensive. The level is not the "Palace of Pioneers", but somewhat higher. But also not a specialized scientific institute with a powerful mathematical technology. base and state support.
Secondly, in order to consider the experience from the house of pioneers to be nonsense, one must first acquire and try to use it. Well, or ask your parents, in case of emergency ... You correctly noticed the brains, the whole point is in them. If you use them. then you can combine the experience of the "Palace of Pioneers" with modern technologies and equipment, most of which is acquired on ebee and aliexpress. I repeat, on YouTube there are videos with a full description of the assembly and configuration of different systems (Ardupilot or Pixhawk, for example).
Thirdly, yes the signal is jammed and distorted, but what do you want ?! And, (oh, miracle!), The article originally says this!

Of these, three were planted in the controlled area outside the base, and three more unmanned aerial vehicles detonated during landing from a collision with the ground
- noted in the Ministry of Defense.

Maybe that's why the attack on the bases was also repelled ?!
PS People have been using the GPS system directly since the mid-70s, and from the 85th year it’s not only military.

[LeonidL]

If this is a bomb load of one drone, then the machine, where and by whom and no matter how it was assembled, was very powerful and could do a lot of nasty things. So do not scoff about the pioneers of aircraft models.

[Spec]

I’m just talking about the seriousness of this topic.

[Baloo]

Quote: Spez

I wrote about the bombs. In general, my knowledge obtained forty years ago in an aircraft modeling circle is quite enough to assemble an aircraft heavier than air in less than a week. which can fly to where it is needed, and with an average error of the GPS navigator, open the lock holding the warhead, or dive into a point on the map specified by the same navigator.

I confirm that around the first half of the 70s we assembled a device of about the same dimensions, but heavier. By design, it was intended to deliver mail to inaccessible places.

[Baloo]

The wingspan is more than 2 meters, judging by the stabilizer, the "chassis" and the keel-disposable product. Judging by the engine, it can cover all 70 km and lift the load up to 20 kg. if not more. A budget option. Are you sure that such people will not fly to you from the Gaza Strip or your beloved Jerusalem soon? Will you look for a Hizbalah hand?
In Soviet times, many people engaged in aircraft modeling in eastern Europe, in each country several magazines for modelers. I won’t be surprised if a trace suddenly appears from eastern Europe or Ukraine. In Soviet childhood, we received control panels, engines, drives for such airplanes through DOSOAF. There were domestic engines, but low-power. so this is not the last attack, I venture to suggest that a new type of terrorism and blackmail may appear in other countries.

[Shahno]

That and that. Not in the garage done. And obviously not for such strikes. Accuracy is not enough. EW is not suppressed. But the noise is fine. Provocation. Very good as false targets by the way.

[mole]

Plastic for 3-D printer. No need to pour.

[svp67]

Quote: Mole

Plastic for 3-D printer. No need to pour.

And if such a printer is used, it means that the quality is much higher.

[mole]

Buy write a printer, plastic and a program, and voila - stamp. From the photo the impression was left that it was specifically “nakolkhozili” with airplanes. The bombs and wings were neatly made, the fuselage - as if gastrobayters had been artisanal without education. Questions arise.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mole

Buy a printer, plastic and a program to write, and voila - stamp

Yeah ... just next you need another printer to print loot.
The price will be ... horse.

Quote: Mole

fuselage - as if gastrobayters without education were handicrafts

UAV disposableWhat beauty something to bring?
This is IMHO, about the price - no.

[Spec]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Yeah ... just next you need another printer to print loot.
The price will be ... horse.

A kilogram of plastic for a printer costs about 800-1000 rubles. printak consumes electricity like a regular laptop, one “bomb” will take five to six hours and 100-150g of plastic (approximately).
So, alas, technology is now available ..

[Golovan Jack]

I reacted to this:

Quote: Mole

fuselage - as if gastrobayters without education handicraft

Kohl past the topic - I beg your pardon

[Spec]

Rather, I clarified and supplemented.

[Spec]

Software does not even need to be written. On thematic forums in free and free access.

[Cetron]

To fly, the wings and tail must be very accurately done, the fuselage is the tenth thing - there would be alignment with the load. (from the experience of pioneering aircraft modeling)

[Spec]

the quality is not higher, but there it is not necessary. The main thing is that cheaply, quickly and once is enough.

[svp67]

Quote: Spez

the quality is not higher, but there it is not necessary.

I'm not talking about UAVs, but "bombs." They look like "factory" ones, which means that they have higher accuracy of bombing.

[Spec]

Not critical above, but yes, I agree.

[Baloo]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Mole

Plastic for 3-D printer. No need to pour.

And if such a printer is used, it means that the quality is much higher.

On the contrary, this indicates the mass production of disposable products.

[Kent0001]

So the "Automobile Base" and large shock drones planted in Iran.

[Strips]

Quote: Kent0001

So the "Automobile Base" and large shock drones planted in Iran.

It is a myth.

[Dreamboat]

The myth that planted (as there is a photo and foam at the mouth of the Americans), but the "carpool" or someone else is not a myth, but a secret!

[Herculesic]

This is only the beginning and such attacks will become widespread. Just the United States and their slaves want to survive us from Syria, and in the long run from the region in general. And for this attack, they will go against us in the information field, and against our bases, as is the case, as always, with the diplomacy of the United States, with its favorite means of influence - lies, blackmail, bribery, promises and promises. In short, the whole spectrum of exposure on which the United States put a lot.

[cannabis]

In the recent past, there was some kind of whistle about the "dome" over the base. Idea dome? What is the comparative cost of a makeshift UAV and the rocket that killed it? Vietnam cost the USSR 6 million a day. How much Afghanistan cost I do not know. I want to know how much it costs us one day in Syria.

[Muvka]

About the same. The shell is very cheap missiles. They have no GOS.

[cannabis]

Clear. Missiles are also homemade.

[Muvka]

No, not homemade. They are primitive. And this is good. They are therefore cheap.

[poquello]

Quote: cunning

What is the comparative cost of a makeshift UAV and the rocket that killed it?

ahem, they were probably shot

[cannabis]

So right, brought out for the pigsty and shot? Well done! Or wait, there are no pigsties ......

[poquello]

Quote: cunning

So right, brought out for the pigsty and shot? Well done! Or wait, there are no pigsties ......

no, each shot down from c400
)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 000

[Muvka]

He does not know that the Shell is an anti-aircraft missilegun complex.

[poquello]

Quote: Muvka

He does not know that the Shell is an anti-aircraft missilegun complex.

he didn’t look on youtube when they shot down

[cannabis]

I climbed the Tunguska in 1987. I do not think that it is very different from the Shell.

[poquello]

Quote: cunning

I climbed the Tunguska in 1987. I do not think that it is very different from the Shell.

time is running

[cannabis]

Just do not convince me that Enta Pribluda can bring a piece of dynamite to the turn of 50 km! Aircraft type was told, with wings that is. And against this junk, you can use a helicopter, creating unacceptable for the flight of atmospheric turbulence. And to their land, and to the earth!

[poquello]

Quote: cunning

Just do not convince me that Enta Pribluda can bring a piece of dynamite to the turn of 50 km! Aircraft type was told, with wings that is. And against this junk, you can use a helicopter, creating unacceptable for the flight of atmospheric turbulence. And to their land, and to the earth!

this is a frame from advertising, above the picture (not mine)
The scope is decent, the piston engine, maybe they couldn’t have inertial guidance, respectively, they extinguished their orientation and started planting - they got the trophies, they plant everything dangerous — sometimes they explode, respectively, they shot, and the main sight in the guns

[svp67]

Quote: cunning

What is the comparative cost of a makeshift UAV and the rocket that killed it?

And who said something about ROCKET? The "Shell" for such "toys" and a pair of 30-mm barrels have ...

[cannabis]

For a 30 mm gun, dispersion in a line of 4 shells at a range of 1000 meters is 4 by 4 meters. And what should be the consumption of shells to defeat this wick?

[svp67]

Quote: cunning

For a 30 mm gun, dispersion in a line of 4 shells at a range of 1000 meters is 4 by 4 meters.

Why not 4 km? At an initial velocity of the projectile 960–980 m / s. - let you not believe ...

[cannabis]

This is your business. According to the course of firing for hitting a BMP type target at a range of 900 - 1100 meters, 8 shells are given. Well, the BMP and UAV sizes are not comparable .....

[svp67]

Quote: cunning

This is your business. According to the course of firing for hitting a BMP type target at a range of 900 - 1100 meters, 8 shells are given. Well, the BMP and UAV sizes are not comparable .....

Only you do not take into account the fact that the BMP has a free barrel, while the “Shell” has it in a “casing”, which increases its “rigidity”, which means accuracy. Well, do not discount that the “Shell” is liquid, forced barrel cooling. It’s like little things, but strongly affecting the accuracy of shooting.

[cannabis]

Dispersion laws are valid for all calibers and types of automation. So nature arranged. Yes, by the way, the law of dispersion applies to the human community.

[alexmach]

Firstly, it was not about such an unmanned aerial vehicle, but about majesty with a wingspan of 2 meters.
Secondly, they recently talked about the development of 30mm shells with a radio fuse for shell and other air defense systems.
Thirdly, they showed special small anti-bpl carapace for armor.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: svp67

Quote: cunning

For a 30 mm gun, dispersion in a line of 4 shells at a range of 1000 meters is 4 by 4 meters.

Why not 4 km? At an initial velocity of the projectile 960–980 m / s. - let you not believe ...

IMHO cannabis says that he saw himself.
And he saw 2A28 Thunder. And there, the initial speed is definitely not 960–980 m / s.
Like this

[Svarog51]

Thunder stood on the first BMP, but it was 73 mm, and on the second it was already 30 mm. Moreover, they could put some new shells for the Shell, especially those working against UAVs.

[assa67]

Sergey, welcome .... against small and low-speed high-speed targets there is a "bullet cloud" mode on the "shell" ... explosive shells on the leading trajectory create a veil of fragments ...

[Svarog51]

Hi Andrew Yeah, thanks, that's exactly what I imagined. It’s like a fraction of a duck.

[Dreamboat]

You confuse the 2A38M Carapace (there are 2x2 machine guns there) and 2A42 ... these are completely different guns. Well, absolutely ... And even in spite of one caliber, shells are not interchangeable.
Well, if you think that all weapons of the same caliber shoot with one accuracy, then .....

[Kent0001]

It costs us the absence of the Qatar-Europe gas pipeline and our gas supplies. Therefore, I propose ... as if softer .. well, you understand me.

[cannabis]

I realized only one thing: gas in my kitchen is 7 times more expensive than the one that is sold in Europe.

[NKT]

And how much does it cost you 1 m3 of gas?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: NKT

How much does 1 m3 of gas cost?

According to what is written

Quote: NKT

gas in my kitchen is 7 times more expensive than the one sold in Europe

, then somewhere from 50 rubles / cubic meter

[Muvka]

Quote: cunning

I realized only one thing: gas in my kitchen is 7 times more expensive than the one that is sold in Europe.

Please share your gas prices. Very interesting. I am in shock. Here, in the Ivanovo Region, home delivery is more than 2 times cheaper than in the middle European country to the border, and not to the end user (the price is still rising there). At the same time, I have a retail price for gas, and the figures that we are told about Europe are wholesale. Those. 3-4 times cheaper in the end it turns out.

[Servisinzhener]

This is where such gas prices? As far as I know, the cost of gas for Europe is 180-190 dollars per 1000 cubic meters, i.e. about 11 rubles per 1 cubic meter. While living in Adygea, I pay for gas at 5,8 rubles per cubic meter.

[NKT]

Well, yes, something like this is:

Kazakhstan - 3.1 r / m3
Russia - 5.7 r / m3
Belarus - 6.5 r / m3
Ukraine - 14.9 r / m3
.........
Spain - 55.9 r / m3
Sweden - 74.5 r / m3


https://promdevelop.ru/news/tseny-na-prirodnyj-ga
zv-raznyh-stranah-v-2017-godu-rejting-tsen-na-ga
z-po-stranam /

[Muvka]

Quote: Servisinzhener

This is where such gas prices? As far as I know, the cost of gas for Europe is 180-190 dollars per 1000 cubic meters, i.e. about 11 rubles per 1 cubic meter. While living in Adygea, I pay for gas at 5,8 rubles per cubic meter.

You should be aware that you are buying retail gas with home delivery, and the prices in Europe are wholesale, with delivery to the border.

[Servisinzhener]

I took wholesale European prices with delivery to the border to show that even they are 2 times higher than domestic ones. And if you take the price for consumers, the difference will be even more serious. Maybe they mean the price of propane in cylinders in terms of cubic meters ....

[Vladimir61]

Quote: cunning

Vietnam cost the USSR 6 million a day. How much Afghanistan cost I do not know. I want to know how much it costs us one day in Syria

Take in your hands the "divine calculator" and consider how much the terrorist attacks cost us in Budenovsk, Beslan, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Volgograd, Kaspiysk and in other ............. ???????? ????

[cannabis]

Pick up the remote control and watch about the terrorist attacks in St. Petersburg. Found an argument .....

[Muvka]

AND? The latest attack did not take a single life. And then hundreds of people died.

[Lock36]

Katz offers to surrender?

[Reserve officer]

The shell is an anti-aircraft missile and cannon system. It’s not necessary to shoot down a rocket.
By the way, when calculating the cost of the target and the spent ammunition, it is necessary, first of all, to bear in mind the cost of the prevented damage. Those. salvaged equipment.
And not everything can be measured by the number of banknotes. Will the saved lives of the fighters be evaluated on the calculator too?

[cannabis]

And the conversation is not about money at all. We are talking about VALUE. Will our industry pull such a challenge in supplying troops. If it pulls, then for how long. And what our industry can offer in return. After all, referring to the past, it can be assumed that having stocks of aviation kerosene for manufactured 2000 jet aircraft, Germany could turn the tide of the war.

[Reserve officer]

Quote: cunning

Will our industry pull such a challenge in supplying troops. If it pulls, then for how long.

In fact, if we talk seriously about the task of supplying troops, cost, timing and reserves - it is not on this site. You yourself understand this very well.

[not main]

Quote: cunning

And the conversation is not about money at all. We are talking about VALUE. Will our industry pull such a challenge in supplying troops. If it pulls, then for how long. And what our industry can offer in return. After all, referring to the past, it can be assumed that having stocks of aviation kerosene for manufactured 2000 jet aircraft, Germany could turn the tide of the war.

Nonsense is complete! Victory ensured infantry! Air forces during WWII were used as support for infantry or the Navy! And then, how many engines were there? Therefore, the complete nonsense !!!

[cannabis]

The nonsense is full, thin and simply plump! The victory was ensured, ensured and will be ensured by the ARTILLERY (RV and A), subject to absolute air supremacy!

[alexmach]

And what our industry can offer in return.

It seems to me that in addition to the already mentioned
1. EW
2. Small shell rockets
3. 30mm shells with programmable detonation.

It would make sense to develop air defense systems with larger caliber guns (57 mm for example) and the same radio fuse or programmable detonation.
Well, all the other options available now - lasers, small electronic warfare systems, and own fighter UAVs.

[Dreamboat]

You don’t need to go to school tomorrow?
1. The army should, if not fight, then train. How much does a “target plane” cost to train the calculation of the Shell or S-400 you know? and the provision and protection of the landfill at the time of launch? This is a plus for shells and missiles ... So do not be clever!
2. Even during the Second World War, aircraft were not made of kerosene ....
3. Working models of jet aircraft appeared in Germany at that stage of the war, when nothing would have changed, well, maybe except for the terms of agony .... and they went astray with piston fighters better than the old MEZHs, since they were not finalized in handling and aerodynamics . Well, this is to broaden their horizons ...
Before you write comments, tighten the materiel!

[cannabis]

Kinder, jet aircraft in Germany appeared in 1942. You read the sky of Pokryshkin’s war, there it is for people like you talking about jet planes, and your broad horizons will deepen.

[flicker]

Oh, what a bummer for Russophobia.
Now they would have come out with poison: "how, how they let it go, how it was allowed, why did the troops withdraw, why are we talking about victory, why did we get involved, do we have few things to do in the country, etc. ????"
By the way, did you list everything or what else is left?

[Shahno]

And why it is not clear what kind of UAV. Model, manufacturer. Or the secret of the company. Manually assembled, drums on 50 km, it is unlikely ... Yes, even with improvised ammunition. Yes, which is not a pity to lose. What kind of UAV is this?

[donavi49]

Normal KB Idlib. They regularly use these. But about 50km bends MO.

[Mountain shooter]

An UAV is an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle! And that’s all. But it’s self-made, reeled up with adhesive tape, or factory-made - this does not change the essence.
A motor from a chainsaw, wings from a model from an aircraft designer ... Ammunition - anyway. The main thing is how they manage and what feedback system they have ...

[Shahno]

Oh oh GPS controlled yes at 50 km.

[poquello]

Quote: Shahno

Oh oh GPS controlled yes at 50 km.

without a plastic case and a propeller in the ass, this pepelats cannot fly, no matter how much you wipe it with a rag, it won’t fly
))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[insular]

Quote: poquello

without a plastic case and a propeller in the ass, this pepelats cannot fly, no matter how much you wipe it with a rag, it won’t fly

Right! And PO-2 did not fly 430 km ... Maximum 10, it was wooden and there was only 90 kg of fuel on board ...

[Evgeniy667b]

You know, one of the leading U.S. FIOMs for drones (AeroVironment) just started with an airplane model mug. This time they release all kinds of Poynter and RQ-14, and initially the founder of the company was the winner of various aircraft modeling competitions

[Romulus]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

You know, one of the leading U.S. FIOMs on drones (AeroVironment)

There is a book about Amer’s drones on flibust - "Liquidator. Notes of a combat drone operator", a very informative reading about predators and reapers. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the authors

[Karaul73]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

Here are the official photos of intercepted drones and "bombs":


https://m.vk.com/wall-133441491_120281

And this miracle could fly 50 km? It is doubtful somehow.

[Shahno]

10 km max. Better to tell the truth, not half the truth.

[srelock]

Quote: Shahno

... It’s better to tell the truth, not half the truth.

I agree. Totally ...


In general, bearded pioneers in sneakers have room to grow:


In this connection, the question arose: How soon will we find out whether the Liquid Dome is capable of intercepting such targets?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Sentry73

And this miracle could fly 50 km?

It depends on what’s inside. Outwardly, he does not look very good, but did they themselves make it, or just wrapped it with tape?

[KVU-NSVD]

In general, it was necessary for a long time to clear the northwest of Syria from all kinds of fighters with the regime there. for good reason all this is the probing of our air defense. The main thing is that in the vicinity there shouldn’t be anything uncontrollable and long-range

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: cunning

I want to know how much it costs us one day in Syria.

The price of your life, for example, will suit you?

[Andvigor]

Very useful training and experience. Alas, nothing else. It is necessary to bring down, gain experience and statistics and improve your weapons!

[loki565]

These drones are not a joke; they even manage to knock out abrams, as well as haamers and manpower. If flew to the airport, suffered heavy losses

[Shahno]

In principle, if such a trifle was hit by a shell, well, even half. Already very, very not bad.

[_Jack_]

This is the answer to those who doubted the ability of our air defense to pinpoint targets with low ESR. I think these wooden airplanes have no more EPR than the F-35.

[Shahno]

Of course they can pinpoint. Comparing slightly incomparable things. Arabs obviously didn’t really learn how to attack bases using UAVs ... it’s not from evil.

[_Jack_]

not really learned ... it's not from evil

why not very learned not from evil?

Of course they can pinpoint.

Well, firstly, not only to pinpoint - like everything was either shot down or planted, and secondly, some of your fellow countrymen here say that the targets with EPR are a few cm. And here they see and shoot down, that's bad luck.

[Sauron80]

The question is not "detect or not detect", but the question "at what distance to detect" in order to have time to do something. Everything that flies in the sky so it can be seen, the question is only from what distance and at what altitude.

[Doliva63]

"detonated from a collision with the ground"
I remember from somewhere that ammunition explodes from a collision with the ground. And detonate from the explosion. Army reform ongoing?

[Spec]

Detonation
(french. détoner - to explode, from lat. detono - thunder)
The process of chemical transformation of explosives, accompanied by the release of energy and propagating through the substance in the form of waves from one layer to another with supersonic speed. Instant chemical conversion of an explosive (explosion) with the release of large energy caused by the explosion of another substance or concussion, blow

[shura7782]

We do not yet know the whole truth. Earlier it was written about mortar shelling at 24.00, but here it is silent about him. Dark business. Apparently, in fact, things are much worse. If someone is confused by the location of the airfield, then with the current capabilities of the UAV, any other place could be worse.

[loginovich]

For the New Year, two were killed, seven aircraft were damaged, and after a week the drone attack was repelled, all losses were lost, full of chocolate. And the conclusions were drawn so quickly that I could not believe it. A barmolei instead of using successful tactics. There is no carapace to leave the mines again. It is strange like that.

[dSK]

Quote: loginovich

Strange as that.

Security is being strengthened, a lot of work, base for 49 years, with subsequent extension. There will be concrete shelters for aircraft ....

[loginovich]

How to strengthen? the troops withdrew. Like a magic wand. The times and defense are lined up. I don’t believe in a magic wand.

[Muvka]

Nothing strange. Mines Shell does not really intercept means, and drones - easily. The second has been known for a long time.

[Shahno]

Or maybe the militants didn’t launch it at all ... The answer may be in the information war. Lazhanulsya only with 50 km.

[Muvka]

You all know better from the sofa. We already understood that. Do not litter the forum.

[Shahno]

Yes. I will not litter. Think correctly as the party commands. Simply doubt arose. And so, now yes on the couch. After the shift.

[loginovich]

I think this is closer to the truth.

[flicker]

It seems that a new method of sabotage has been launched into mass use: now unknown terrorists will attack any enemy objects with the help of "artisanal" UAVs capable of covering a distance of 50 km, while at 50, it will probably be necessary to overcome much more.
Oh well.
Dangerous gin released from a jug.

[bald]

If you really spotted a take-off point

[Gardamir]

Fans of criticizing the Union and the war in Afghanistan, well, the same rake is only a side view. Then, at least because of the lack of elections, they did not declare every year about victory over the spirits. Now the whole truth, we learn only when the power changes.

[shura7782]

the whole truth, we will know only when the power changes.
I think that much earlier, first-hand. The guys will return home and find out everything.

[Servisinzhener]

And who should be replaced by interesting?

[Gardamir]

And who should be replaced by interesting?

And that is true. After Putin 3, now we weber Putin the fourth, and then, so as not to bother Putin's countless.

[Servisinzhener]

All people are mortal, so if Putin is not happy with you, you just have to wait a bit.

[arhPavel]

Englishwoman shits ...

[anos off]

This is one I noticed (from a statement by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) that these drones can be used for any other purpose in any other country . In my opinion this is a hint to our inveterate partners.

[Dreamboat]

Well, we already have five pieces with ammunition, if anything, they say "Made in Idlib" ....

[SCHMEL]

Syria used 13 strike drones while trying to attack the Russian bases Khmeimim and Tartus on the night of ...

With the help of modeling instructors, crazy hands can use 113

[Dreamboat]

Well, then it’s necessary, as in the Soviet cartoon they said: "The dead do not bite" ...

[Mentat]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

Listen, "brilliant agent of influence", isn’t you too lazy to shove all kinds of nonsense throughout the forum?
Or do you have delusions of grandeur and you bang under your breath at the same time: “I am smarter than everyone, I’m smarter than everyone, how imperceptible I am, how awesome I am”
Or are you so addicted to your “work, but I live poorly” that your face is crooked by the awareness of the delirium that you are scribbling, but where to go, the toad presses?

[Don Analyst]

Good luck guys!
It is necessary to think over the answer - who supplies the watering in the toilets!

[Mentat]

Quote: Sentry73

Quote: Thrall

Quote: jolly deckhand

Okay to lie. That's what was used, on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

Here are the official photos of intercepted drones and "bombs":


https://m.vk.com/wall-133441491_120281

And this miracle could fly 50 km? It is doubtful somehow.

From the mountains, which are just about 50 km away, it will fly to the lowland to the sea.

[serriy]

Will it reach the American base?
And if 13 barmalei go there (to the Americans) (well, sometimes barmalei are different) they launch, will the Americans catch them? Well interesting!
And that’s all Hmeimim, yes Hmeimim. In one gate. There must be a variety of news.
And there is also Afghanistan, there are Americans and barmaleys who do not like amers.
It is necessary to work with barmaleys, to direct it correctly. Humanitarian aid is not something, it is aboriginal corrupting. Neither Americans nor Europeans bother with humanitarian aid.

[Mentat]

Quote: jolly deckhand

People who took a direct part, and we have enough of them in the province, have someone to listen to, believe me

People who directly participated give a non-disclosure subscription. Correct the foil on the head.

[Mentat]

Quote: Shahno

10 km max. Better to tell the truth, not half the truth.

It’s much better not to write nonsense. In 50 km of the mountain, from there even just a glider can go down to the sea.

[Shahno]

You can bring it. But those photos that I saw, there’s nothing to explain. It will fly to 10 km.

[Captain Nemo]

Two facts are pleasing that they discovered ahead of time and that the Rebovts worked 5 points

[Anchonsha]

It’s all the business of the Merikans under the ISIS, And it’s possible that the Merikans simply transferred the bandits through the CIA. Soon the same will bomb the bastards themselves in Afghanistan, and wherever they are in the Middle East.

[A. Privalov]

An article by the military expert Anton Mardasov, “Terrorist threats. Unmanned program of the Islamic State” (UAV.ru magazine), which noted that the IG typically uses small-sized “drones” purchased in online stores, turning them into flying bombs or equipping them with mechanisms to drop bombs on a target. Often the IS used the Chinese unmanned aircraft Skywalker X8, X-UAV Talon, Skyhunter, etc. They also used conventional quadrocopters.

[Chaos]

And how are our nuclear power plants protected? It is urgent to put shells and reinforced concrete domes over the reactor.

[Muvka]

If you were interested in the topic, you would know that nuclear reactors are protected by a concrete dome, designed to drop a passenger liner on it.

[Baloo]

Quote: Sentry73

And this miracle could fly 50 km? It is doubtful somehow.

This is because you did not do airplane modeling at school. Pay attention to the wingspan and engine size. This device is for flying at low altitudes and long distances.

[Maz]

Quote: svp67

Quote: jolly deckhand

That's what was used - on the knee collected "creativity of the house of pioneers" ...

Only in order to control the UAV at a distance of 50 km and equip it with the necessary engine and equipment, the Pioneer House should be too cool, but what could be planted ...

A house of pioneers with a satellite and jeepies, with night navigation, reference points and duplicated control points, a control system ... And does it have such a thing? With a neighbor, with distant coalition partners. Oh, and no one else! What tactlessness .- give out other people's vile secrets. And the image, and PR, and the face? And respect in the world? But I still think why the US base in Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Israel, Crete? And Schaub drones flocked at night over Himeim, Latakia, Deir, Kaliningrad, Pskov, Crimea .... They train, then they can fly to the NPM. And we have the Olympics on the nose and the World Cup. Draw conclusions

[insular]

Quote: Maz

Oh, and no one else!

And then, suddenly Aliexpress ...

[Edvid]

Shooting cannons at flea targets is ineffective. For the "Shell" it is necessary to create a special ammunition against drones, similar to hunting ducks - a cartridge with a lot of shots. At short ranges, such a shot gives a large area of ​​destruction, and the turn will create an insurmountable barrier to small targets at all.

[Dreamboat]

We already discussed this a week ago .... the fraction is effective at very short distances, when it is too late to intercept - it has “flown in”, and the air defense system should cover a section of the front a few kilometers away.

[Zomanus]

That is our electronic warfare start of testing in real combat conditions.
I think that improved versions will soon go, taking into account this experience.
But now everything has passed with dignity.
What about the appearance of the drones, so there is initially a one-way flight
planned, and therefore look like assembled from Mr. and sticks.
But they do not become less dangerous from this.

[flicker]

The Russian Defense Ministry has already expressed concerns about the use of drones.
Togo and look, mugs on aircraft modeling will become the most popular in BV. There will be no life at all there - at least you eat weapons there, it remains to fill up with drones and daily adventures will begin.
Moreover, as they write above, these drones can be done on their knees.

[huntsman650]

Tighten the mesh netting.

[Sergey Nikolaevich.]

As soon as they determined the launch site, immediately retaliation action ..

[tolmachiev51]

Good is not enough !! - who wants to die from such shit? The death of a general should alert everyone.

[Slon1978]

That intercepted is good. But maybe it’s still worth it to “go broke” on concrete caponiers for aircraft or at least put gabions, blocked from above. The question is basically cheap, I sincerely do not understand why this has not been done so far. In 2016, the concrete runway was restored in a matter of days, why didn’t they build shelters for equipment?

[Irbenwolf]

It is remarkable that the Russian Ministry of Defense faced a similar problem in conflicts so remote from Russia. This is a little blood experience. There is a need for unmanned drones and other more primitive means

[ASG7]

I hope that everyone who read the air defense and electronic warfare operation algorithm is also calculated and destroyed.
After all, what happens - on December 31, rocket and mortar shelling of our air base is underway, respectively, the air defense is sinking, since the targets are very complex and it puts our military in an alarming state to prevent what happened;
- January 4 is massaging the attack of the UAV air base (a relatively easy target), in the expectation that the military will use the entire combat complex without restrictions on secrecy;
- Some "friends" read all the information on countermeasures and develop their own algorithms for overcoming our air defense.
- Well, it remains to wait for the next dirty trick, in which the methods of overcoming air defense and electronic warfare will be checked (the nature and measure of the damage caused do not interest them, so it can be just a balloon that our people can’t intercept).

[Edvid]

Quote: Dreamboat

We already discussed this a week ago .... the fraction is effective at very short distances, when it is too late to intercept - it has “flown in”, and the air defense system should cover a section of the front a few kilometers away.

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About cartridges with a fraction - only figuratively. To increase the firing range, the projectile must fly out whole, and at a certain distance from the target or from the cannon independently shoot shrapnel with a cloud, it is possible with the addition of conductive dust (graphite ...). There is something for designers to think about. After all, it is desirable to automate the process of changing the delay of detonation, and this will be a different, more advanced complex.