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The patriarch called for the fight against the stratification of society into rich and poor

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Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia, in his Christmas TV interview, called the “stratification of society” in the modern world a “huge problem” and called on the Russian authorities to focus their efforts on bridging the gap between the rich and the poor, reports RIA News.




Questions to the head of the Russian Orthodox Church were asked by Dmitry Kiselev, director general of the international news agency Russia Today.

The stratification of society is a huge problem. All this is present in our lives today. Socialism tried to solve this problem. But let's honestly say: he did not decide it. The problem of social imbalances, it always existed, the patriarch said on the air on the Russia 1 channel.

He noted that stability in society depends, first of all, on bridging this gap.

The larger this gap, the greater the destabilization of society, the more negative energy arises, the more people reject from everything that happens in society, in the country, and the more criticism. Therefore, this topic has a political, social and spiritual dimension. But this, of course, is a challenge for the authorities: for the legislative branch, for the executive branch, said the head of the Russian Church.

According to him, this situation cannot be tolerated and the task of overcoming these contradictions must be set. The patriarch acknowledged that the rich and the poor will always be there, but it is very important that the gap between them shrinks and “that the concept of poverty does not mean the most difficult position of a person, on the verge of survival.”
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 7 January 2018 12: 27
    31
    A pipe dream, unfortunately the times of the USSR were irrevocably where more or less stratification of the society was minimized. Now that handful of people who unilaterally use the bowels of our land solve this problem as a sickle for me ****, and the leadership simply does not want to solve it because they themselves are tied to it.
    1. Shura Perm
      Shura Perm 7 January 2018 12: 29
      83
      And this is said by a person who travels on a 7-meter maybach and billions of billions ... the Russian Orthodox Church has long become a commercial office for the official withdrawal of money from citizens
      1. hrych
        hrych 7 January 2018 12: 31
        15
        Quote: Shura Perm
        rides a 7-meter maybach

        1. moskowit
          moskowit 7 January 2018 12: 37
          40
          “I would not trust him ...” (from the film “Pokrovsky Gates”)
          There is no proper goodness in him, his eyes are cunning, cunning ... Pharisaism is all ... To make such statements, you must be an ascetic himself ...
          I forgot how alcohol and tobacco were brought into the country for tax benefits ...
          1. Hoc vince
            Hoc vince 7 January 2018 13: 18
            14
            No need to get personal.
            Did the Patriarch say something bad or something we disagree with?
            And also Patriarch Kirill called to honor the miracle of the Nativity of Christ good deeds.
            1. My doctor
              My doctor 7 January 2018 13: 36
              19
              the question is, to which layer does he relate to himself?
              1. Hoc vince
                Hoc vince 7 January 2018 13: 39
                +7
                He is an Orthodox monk.
                1. User
                  User 7 January 2018 15: 46
                  +2
                  Anyway, a golden man, you can say.
            2. Yarik
              Yarik 7 January 2018 13: 52
              10
              No need to get personal ... Let them return the land on the Black Sea coast, which, at his order, was squeezed from local enterprises
              1. Hoc vince
                Hoc vince 7 January 2018 14: 17
                +5
                "at his direction ..."
                Fakes are actually the same rumors, only on the Internet.
                You have documents, court decisions.
            3. The comment was deleted.
              1. Hoc vince
                Hoc vince 7 January 2018 14: 48
                +6
                The worst lie is a lie to oneself.
            4. leshiy076
              leshiy076 7 January 2018 15: 32
              +2
              Have you accidentally read the New Testament? Do not remember the truth from unclean lips?
              1. Hoc vince
                Hoc vince 7 January 2018 15: 40
                +3
                John: “Watch yourself ...” (2 John 1: 8, 7).
            5. papas-57
              papas-57 7 January 2018 16: 51
              18
              `` Did the Patriarch say something bad or something with which we do not agree. '' I wish I started with myself and my subordinates. You need to live more modestly, otherwise the top of the Russian Orthodox Church has snickered. They are beyond the jurisdiction of God, the prosecutor’s office, they live in paradise.
            6. Pancir026
              Pancir026 7 January 2018 17: 55
              13
              Quote: Hoc vince
              Did the Patriarch say something bad or something we disagree with?

              But he did not say the truth.
              we see.
              The decile income inequality coefficient is the ratio of the average income of 10% of the most affluent part of the population (DDS) to the average per capita income of 10% of the poorest part (DDS).

              DKND = DDSN / DDBN

              Approximately characterizes the scope of the property stratification of society. In the so-called social states of Europe, in particular Sweden, Denmark, and Norway, in order to maintain social peace between the poor and the rich, the DKND through state regulation is maintained at a level of 4,0 to 5,0. In tsarist Russia, according to rough estimates, this ratio reached 25-30 (B. Valentinov, Sov. Ros. 18.03.2004/3,5/4,5), which served as the basis for the social explosion. In the USSR, this indicator fit into the range from 1989 to 34 (The main indicators of the socio-economic development of the USSR. M. 1991, p. 19,0). In the modern Russian Federation, since 24,0, the DKND has regularly increased (see table), up to values ​​of 8 or even 2002 ("Questions of Statistics", No. 1230, XNUMX) .http: //tr.rkrp-rpk .ru / get.php? XNUMX
              Didn’t like the link? Okay. Look at another
              http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/ag55/post2934003
              48 /
              In today's Russia, 80% of the population accounts for 34,1% of income. The richest 20% receive 65,9% of the consumed GNP of Russia. In the USSR, the situation was different. 80% of the population received 63,9% of the income, while the richest 20% received only 36,1%. In other words, if we establish the decile and quintile coefficients that were in the USSR, then the incomes of 80% of the population will automatically (without any change in the level of production) increase by 1,8 times. So, by itself, a return to the principles of social policy that existed in the USSR allows 1,8 times to improve the life of the vast majority of Russians.
              Again do not like it. Look for completeness, the third.
              According to some estimates, the decile coefficient in Russia reaches more than 24. For comparison: in the Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Finland and Sweden) this indicator is 3-4, in Germany, Austria and France, it ranges from 5 to 7. This ratio is considered by economists to be optimal. As soon as the decile coefficient reaches 10, this indicates an unfavorable social conditions in the country. In the USSR, at one time, the decile coefficient fit into the ratio of 3,5–4,5. In tsarist Russia, according to rough estimates, this ratio reached 25–30, which was one of the causes of the social explosion. Https: //studfiles.net/preview/1976292/page
              : 3 /
              What is the conclusion?
              1. albert
                albert 7 January 2018 20: 36
                +5
                Quote: Pancir026
                What is the conclusion?

                The conclusion is that there are reasons for a social explosion, it remains only to find a reason for this request
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 7 January 2018 20: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: albert
                  The conclusion is that there are reasons for a social explosion, it remains only to find a reason for this request
                  And all that’s left for this is still this explosion to be led by someone from FOREIGN intelligence agencies and comprador domestic mercenaries with support from abroad - and everything will be worse in Russia, like in the hunty Ukraine!
                  1. Pancir026
                    Pancir026 7 January 2018 21: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    And all that was left for this was to still lead this explosion to someone from FOREIGN intelligence agencies and comprador domestic mercenaries with support from abroad

                    We look at the number of candidates ... we’ll not just see a bunch of nothing and are empty. Role for the role, but frankly the very ones you are talking about. Http://basetop.ru/vyiboryi-prezidenta-rossii
                    -2018-reyting-kandidatov /
                    And the real ones, just two, Putin and Grudinin.
                    If the conspiracy theorists are right, then, Grudinin, hereinafter the Prime Minister.
                    And consequently, a change in domestic policy.
                    To lead the explosion ... look who breathes with what, who looks towards the West and denies what has already been done.
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 8 January 2018 01: 27
                      +6
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      In the USSR, this indicator fit into the range from 3,5 to 4,5 (The main indicators of the socio-economic development of the USSR. M. 1989, p. 34).

                      Quote: Pancir026
                      And the real ones, just two, Putin and Grudinin.

                      ... I’m reading this nonsense and quietly understanding ... The Communists only realized that they themselves destroyed their Kitchen Garden in 1991 ... and for some reason it’s all fun ... I probably wouldn’t have been born in 1970 and would have hung noodles about Social equality of the Cleaning Lady and the First Secretary of the CPSU City Committee ... laughing ... and the salary is also 60 rubles in the first case ... and, in the second ... history is still silent ... and of course I have not seen the Sanatorium named after Herzina ... Your unfortunate grandfather finished his service in the New Town, now the Airbase Center Kubinka Patriot Park ... in the USSR there was not any social equality ... no matter how and when it will not be ... so I understand now the new Communist Party Strategy. ..not to remember oneself, but to shit in every possible way and everywhere ... it was already ... in 1917 and 1991 ... only how many people were killed by the Communists at these times, even two World Wars could not ...
                  2. Alf
                    Alf 7 January 2018 22: 10
                    +5
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Quote: albert
                    The conclusion is that there are reasons for a social explosion, it remains only to find a reason for this request
                    And all that’s left for this is still this explosion to be led by someone from FOREIGN intelligence agencies and comprador domestic mercenaries with support from abroad - and everything will be worse in Russia, like in the hunty Ukraine!

                    And who is telling us this all the time? Who constantly rides us in the ears? No need for shocks, enough for Russia’s revolution? These are those who say that in the 90s they grabbed billions at the expense of the country and ruined it. They have something to fear. Remember how all the tickets for "from Russia" were sold out in the first election. They were afraid that with the victory of the “damned commies” they would take up first of all.
            7. Yu-81
              Yu-81 8 January 2018 11: 06
              0
              Well, how not? Morality can only be taught by one who is self-styled. For me personally, the model of a true clergyman is Sergius of Radonezh, who directly spoke about the fact that the monks are too mired in luxury and this is not a way to preserve the soul. At the same time, he himself led an ascetic and righteous lifestyle, showing by example to people how a truly believing person should live, what priorities he should have in life.
              And people like Cyril only speak correctly, but in fact the opposite is true. The same as Chaplin didn’t lose any brakes at all and they directly say that the church should be rich, and the priest should have everything on a par with God ... Well, what should they teach me with their example, their selected face? Only annoyance.
            8. insular
              insular 9 January 2018 04: 37
              +1
              Quote: Hoc vince
              No need to get personal.

              A.S. Pushkin: "Whoever wants to read a sermon to people - that one should not eat sweeter than they are."
              The statement of the patriarch is a lie, arrogance, hypocrisy and falsehood ... This is without going over to the person, but just an analysis of what he claims.
              1. Hoc vince
                Hoc vince 9 January 2018 12: 32
                0
                We recall Chatsky. "And who are the judges?"
          2. zloybond
            zloybond 7 January 2018 17: 35
            +5
            I think ... Let the Old Man begin with his sect ..... there ministers obviously do not live out of need .....
        2. oleg-gr
          oleg-gr 7 January 2018 12: 38
          20
          They no longer remember the building of communism. The elite is interested in material goods, which provide substantial amounts in bank accounts in various countries.
        3. Lexus
          Lexus 7 January 2018 12: 58
          16
          Quote: Shura Perm
          rides a 7-meter maybach


          Ferryman between EdRo and heaven. And Maybach, therefore, is a ferry.
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 7 January 2018 12: 39
        17
        Quote: Shura Perm
        And this is said by a man who rides a 7-meter maybach and billions of billions ...

        According to this, the first proposal to the patriarch - start with yourself, leave the example and change the car at least to a Mercedes wassat
      3. Looking Petrovich
        Looking Petrovich 7 January 2018 12: 40
        32
        Yes, Papa drives a Fiat. And nothing worse. Cyril would also be more modest in choosing something so that people would not be disturbed.
        1. hrych
          hrych 7 January 2018 12: 44
          40
          Quote: Looking Petrovich
          Dad rides in Fiat.

          Just someone a hypocrite of a cosmic scale
        2. jolly deckhand
          jolly deckhand 7 January 2018 12: 44
          39
          Well, what are you making up?
          1. pafegosoff
            pafegosoff 7 January 2018 13: 25
            +2
            You shouldn’t be so! They do not have enough for a sotik, and therefore wears the "commander" of the Chistopol plant. I, too, until I found a cell phone - I walked with the clock ...
        3. avt
          avt 7 January 2018 13: 03
          +6
          Quote: Looking Petrovich
          Yes, Papa drives a Fiat. And nothing worse. Cyril would also be more modest in choosing something so that people would not be disturbed.

          Already I gave my team my at least not to go on the "geldings. Now, they’ll dissect themselves on the top" Koreans "and" Japanese ". bully Well, Roman pop ... well, so they write
          Quote: hrych
          Just someone a hypocrite of a cosmic scale

          And quite an Argentine Jesuit. bully
          1. allaykbar
            allaykbar 7 January 2018 14: 08
            +8
            gives a team what to ride FSO. Maybach was allocated by the state. And who thinks that he buys a watch for himself - I advise him to get a head.

            It’s impossible in our country. I think the chief mufti of the Russian Federation is also under the protection of the FSO and does not ride a Lada.

            But it’s dangerous to open your mouth on the mufti, but to drown Orthodoxy is a pleasure, huh?
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 7 January 2018 17: 41
              12
              Quote: allaykbar
              gives a team what to ride FSO. Maybach was allocated by the state. And who thinks that he buys a watch for himself - I advise him to get a head.


              Um ... But what, we have the Russian Federation-is no longer a secular state ???
              And I think that it became so abrupt in the budget that there wasn’t enough money ... It turns out that our taxes also began to contain priests ... tongue
              1. Deck
                Deck 7 January 2018 21: 23
                +3
                Hope for God - but don’t be fooled! There is no hope of seeing God.
            2. Doctor74
              Doctor74 7 January 2018 19: 30
              +5
              That those that others are not distinguished by great honesty and holiness. For me it’s so that the church, that the mosque - sects for extorting money. Do not forget that they formulated concepts: 1. church, it is an institution of power 2. Religion, this is a tax-free business. Something like that!
            3. Alf
              Alf 7 January 2018 22: 18
              +5
              Quote: allaykbar
              But it’s dangerous for the mufti to open his mouth,

              Because the mufti, whatever one may say, is one with his people and, according to him, many can rise, because believe him.
              Quote: allaykbar
              But Orthodoxy to drown-with pleasure yes?

              Because Orthodoxy, in the person of the highest, and the rest of the estate, has long been divorced from the people. And no one believes them, except the old women, and all kinds of “candlesticks”. And whether they believe is a big question.
        4. pafegosoff
          pafegosoff 7 January 2018 13: 28
          +6
          And the glasses of the Fiat - 7 centimeters thick. Take a look!
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 7 January 2018 17: 20
            +2
            Quote: pafegosoff
            And the glasses of the Fiat - 7 centimeters thick. Take a look!

            It’s good that seven means they can withstand the bullet. When Dad cut through the open car, he put 4 bullets into the Turk. In the Vatican’s security service, normal specialists mean they serve, just 7cm.
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      4. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 7 January 2018 13: 40
        22
        All these calls from the church are pure populism. What exactly is being proposed? Which way? Make the poor rich or ruin the so-called elite?
        He somehow recalled socialism out of place, it seems to me. Just in the USSR there was no significant stratification of society, there was no gigantic income gap. And there was much more stability.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 7 January 2018 14: 32
          +4
          In the USSR there were fewer rich, all the more obvious, but there were a lot of poor, they barely reached the pay-off level. TVs, refrigerators were not in every family, not to mention cars .....
          1. freddyk
            freddyk 7 January 2018 15: 31
            14
            Quote: Victor N
            In the USSR there were fewer rich, all the more obvious, but there were many poor

            Even I do not remember a single homeless person in the USSR, and asking for alms. Pension 80 rubles at a price of bread 16 kopecks. It was possible to live a day easily on a ruble, what are you talking about, what kind of poor? Pensioners have always helped with young money.
            1. Doctor74
              Doctor74 7 January 2018 19: 33
              +4
              Absolutely agree! Grandmother, to me, then still a schoolboy, managed to "sponsor" simple boyish pranks at 33 rubles of pension!
          2. Alf
            Alf 7 January 2018 22: 20
            +4
            Quote: Victor N
            TVs, refrigerators were not in every family,

            Well, you don’t need to tell tales, not on the forum of liberalists.
      5. allaykbar
        allaykbar 7 January 2018 14: 07
        +3
        this is not his maybach. and the FSO is not his office.
      6. Krabik
        Krabik 7 January 2018 14: 31
        +4
        Ordinary populism for the concept of rating.
      7. cormorant
        cormorant 7 January 2018 15: 22
        +2
        He seems to be driving an armored Mercedes-Benz S-Klasse Pullman. Already on Maybah "earned money on galleys"?
      8. alekc73
        alekc73 7 January 2018 17: 08
        +4
        I agree. You need to start with yourself. Show an example. People will not believe Cyril. hi
      9. Amper
        Amper 7 January 2018 17: 42
        +2
        Do not! They say that the Holy One handed over the cauldrons from both hands and the yacht, which was fed up with order, to the common house, at the end of the speech.
      10. den3080
        den3080 7 January 2018 18: 23
        +3
        Maybach is not Maybach, billions are not billions ... that is all idle talk.
        but I personally don’t like that his eyes run around, with Patriarch Cyril.
        watch ... it looks very unpleasant, in my personal opinion.
      11. RUSS
        RUSS 7 January 2018 21: 20
        +2
        Quote: Shura Perm
        And this is said by a man who rides a 7-meter maybach and billions of billions ...

        He should drive executive cars, according to his status, but regarding billions of billions, this is not reliable information.
      12. Manul
        Manul 8 January 2018 07: 05
        +2
        Quote: Shura Perm
        ROC has long been a commercial office for the official taking of money from citizens

        Let me disagree with you. The official weaning is accountable and taxed. The actions of the church resemble banditry - raider seizures of property and territories and shadow fundraising uncontrolled by anyone.
    2. Pirogov
      Pirogov 7 January 2018 12: 54
      18
      All Merry Christmas Orthodox!
      1. hrych
        hrych 7 January 2018 13: 01
        +5
        Quote: Pirogov
        All Merry Christmas Orthodox!

        Join drinks
        1. Hoc vince
          Hoc vince 7 January 2018 13: 36
          +9
          On Christmas night, let's look to heaven
          The born star will smile at us.
          A sip of wine with friends
          For Faith, for Good.
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 7 January 2018 13: 03
      11
      Quote: Spartanez300
      unfortunately the times of the USSR passed irrevocably where more or less stratification of society was minimized

      What has actually changed? The nomenclature turned into oligarchs, and the people as was one, and remained. Mom taught me, her kingdom of heaven. The Russian people will feed the bureaucrat, the invader never when, because a bonza and a bureaucrat will sit on the neck.
      New Year's and Christmas. It's forever. And these, oh well them drinks
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 7 January 2018 14: 47
        20
        The nomenclature did not dissect on their own destroyers and did not fly on their own aircraft.
        I didn’t dig out the bowels over the hill.

        Everything was clearly regulated from cottages to cars.

        So do not put a shadow on the fence with your mom!
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 7 January 2018 16: 00
          +2
          Quote: Krabik
          Not raked the bowels of the hill

          Here is the Patriarch. I just keep silent humbly hi
        2. Alf
          Alf 7 January 2018 22: 26
          +2
          Quote: Krabik
          Everything was clearly regulated from cottages to cars.

          Moreover, after removal from office, all this was selected.
          1. woron333444
            woron333444 8 January 2018 16: 55
            +1
            If you got into the nomenclature, then from one place they transplanted to another. No one was left without a feeder.
      2. Amper
        Amper 7 January 2018 17: 44
        +3
        We endure, endure, endure! Orthodox, such is our fate ...
        Religion-opium for the People!
      3. weksha50
        weksha50 7 January 2018 17: 45
        +6
        Quote: Tusv
        What has actually changed? The nomenclature turned into oligarchs, and the people as was one, and remained.


        ALL !!! Absolutely...
        The nomenclature NEVER in the USSR was SO defiantly rich, and the people - defiantly poor ...
        Well and - much, if not absolutely everything else, for whatever you take ... EVERYTHING !!! negative
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 7 January 2018 13: 35
      25
      Is a millionaire himself in gold and diamonds, moving only with a motorcade and blocking the streets, holding one of the most expensive church business in the world, and even advocating justice? And who believes this hypocrite?belay
      1. allaykbar
        allaykbar 7 January 2018 14: 11
        +4
        Is a millionaire himself in gold and diamonds, moving only with a motorcade and blocking the streets, holding one of the most expensive church business in the world, and even advocating justice? And who believes this hypocrite?


        I always treated you with respect (I don’t know why), but the more I read you, the more upset I am

        Before you judge, you need to understand the issue. Find out why the motorcade and FSO and the overlap and why the armored vehicle.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 7 January 2018 14: 27
          13
          Dear, and with what FSO does he protect him at all?
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 7 January 2018 15: 34
            +3
            Quote: Nehist
            Dear, and with what FSO does he protect him at all?

            A group of public figures became interested on the basis on which the Federal Guard Service at a public expense serves Patriarch Kirill. They sent a corresponding request to the FSO, in which they referred to article 14 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which enshrines the principle of secularism of the state and equalizes all religious associations before the law, as well as the federal law on state protection, which the Patriarch is not on the list.
            The FSO replied: according to the document, a copy of which was published by journalist and popular blogger Andrei Malgin in his LiveJournal, the decision to grant state protection to the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia was made by the president of the Russian Federation "in accordance with article 80 of the Constitution."
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 7 January 2018 17: 51
              +5
              Quote: Overlock
              adopted by the President of the Russian Federation "in accordance with Article 80 of the Constitution


              I read this article with interest ... And in all of its 4 subparagraphs it is not written that the President of the Russian Federation has unlimited powers of the dictator ...
              And so ... paragraphs 1-4 of article 80 specifically determine his authority ...
              Well, if only ... HE - does not consider article 80-1 as in that joke: "Article 1. The commander is always right. Article 2. If the commander is not right - see article 1" ...

              The FSO with its response actually framed the President for journalists ...
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 7 January 2018 18: 37
                +9
                In the opinion of a person who is not a doctor of jurisprudence, not a single part of this article contains a word not only about state protection of the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, but also about the obligation or right of the president to provide such protection. But, given that the FSO is referring to it, it can only be assumed that the president, as head of state, has the right to make any decisions pleasing to him without reporting to the public.
                Meanwhile, the protection of the Patriarch began to become the responsibility of the FSO after Vladimir Putin became president of Russia. So, the Kommersant Vlast magazine in 2003 wrote that the decree on the allocation of state protection to the head of the Russian Orthodox Church was one of Putin's first decisions when he was still in the status of an acting head of state.

                “Prior to this, the Patriarch’s security was dealt with by the Moscow Main Department of Internal Affairs. It’s only possible to guess what this decision dictated by taking care of his health or the desire to look after him. However, it’s known that, in addition to security, the FSO intended to change the entire service of Alexy II, including cooks and drivers, but Alexy categorically opposed this, "the publication wrote.

                We also find news on strengthening the protection of the Patriarch on the Pravoslavie.ru website: “Since January 11, 2000, the Federal Security Service has been responsible for the safety of His Holiness Patriarch Alexy. Earlier, since 1993, this function was carried out by the Moscow Central Internal Affairs Directorate. Such changes indirectly indicate raising the status of the Russian Orthodox Church in connection with the change of head of state. "
                In April 2010, the publication Arguments of the Week published a short article entitled “Protection of the Patriarch is carried out according to the presidential scheme”, which refers to Cyril. Referring to a source in the FSO, the publication writes that this is the highest scheme by which top officials of the state are protected.

                The scheme includes "work on the traffic route, at the place of stay, at the departure. Plus escort. In total, more than 300 employees are involved in the protection of the Patriarch," a source in the service said.

                According to him, Patriarch Alexy was guarded much more modestly, according to scheme number three - “it’s just our car plus accompanying employees”. "He was a real Patriarch, not a systemic person. The security was imposed on him, and he just put up with her. Cyril plays with us, he requires an increase in security. This was especially evident after the murder of Daniel’s father in Moscow," cite "Arguments of the week" representative of the FSO.

                More details: http://www.newsru.com/russia/27jan2011/fsochurch.
                html


            2. Nehist
              Nehist 7 January 2018 20: 26
              +3
              Art. 80 of the Constitution cannot justify this decision (it states that the President of Russia is the head of state and guarantor of the Constitution) 9 of the Federal Law on State Protection ("the president has the right, if necessary, to provide protection to other persons"). Art. 9 establishes an exhaustive list of such persons: “protection may be provided to other persons replacing government posts of the Russian Federation”. Our Patriarch replaces some state. posts? Yes, he doesn’t even be a civil servant
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 7 January 2018 17: 27
            +6
            Quote: allaykbar
            I always treated you with respect (I don’t know why), but the more I read you, the more upset I am

            Quote: siberalt
            holds one of the most expensive church business in the world, and even stands for justice? And who believes this hypocrite?

            In vain you are upset.
            We Slavs barbarians bursting in an incomprehensible language.


        2. Krabik
          Krabik 7 January 2018 14: 59
          +7
          Because the life of a billionaire is worth more than the surrounding beggars.

          The time will come and he will also become a saint, maybe Abramovich will also become a saint, which Jesus does not joke%)
        3. Overlock
          Overlock 7 January 2018 15: 23
          +3
          watch when the patriarch pledges and distributes the money to the poor?
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 7 January 2018 21: 22
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Is a millionaire himself in gold and diamonds, moving only with a motorcade and blocking the streets, holding one of the most expensive church business in the world, and even advocating justice? And who believes this hypocrite?belay

        According to surveys, the army and the Russian Orthodox Church in the first place in the confidence of the population.
        1. Alf
          Alf 7 January 2018 22: 31
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          According to surveys, the army and the Russian Orthodox Church in the first place in the confidence of the population.

          I heard and agree about polls about the army, but I doubt very much about polls regarding the confidence of the Russian Orthodox Church.
    5. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 7 January 2018 13: 47
      11
      From the course of religious studies (Fundamentals of religious studies_Mironov Babinov_1998.) .: "The functions of religion should be understood as various ways of its action in society. In literature, the following functions are distinguished as the most significant: worldview, compensatory, communicative, regulatory, integrative and cultural-translating ...
      .... Religion performs the special function of a compensator: social inequality is compensated by equality in sinfulness, in suffering; human disunity is replaced by brotherhood in Christ in the community; the actual impotence of man is compensated by the omnipotence of God; mortal is immortal; the world of evil and injustice is being replaced by the kingdom of God. The psychological aspect of the compensatory function is important: religion can act as a means of relieving stress. "
      https://studfiles.net/preview/5255388/page:2/
      Silence, God of God, when an oligarch or a new business man robs you,
      surfaced in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 7 January 2018 13: 54
        +5
        And I just congratulate all Orthodox Christians on Christmas! hi
        1. dSK
          dSK 7 January 2018 22: 32
          +1
          Quote: Herkulesich
          just Merry Christmas to all Orthodox Christians!


          (gif postcard, has three plans, when viewed separately from the site.)
          1. dSK
            dSK 8 January 2018 03: 31
            +1
            On the HISTORY branch:
            To be or not to be Yesterday, 11: 46
            JANUARY 7 - VICTORY DAY ABOUT TWENTY LANGUAGE MILITIES.
            On January 6, 1813, Emperor Alexander published the Manifesto on the Victorious End of World War II.
            The manifesto of the Russian emperor Alexander I of (December 25, 1812) on January 6, 1813 marked the end of World War II. The manifesto also ordered every year on Christmas Day to celebrate the great Victory Day. The holiday was canceled after the October Revolution of 1917 (... but in vain ..)
      2. Amper
        Amper 7 January 2018 17: 54
        +9
        All points have long been spaced.
        V.I. Lenin, "Socialism and Religion": ... The impotence of the exploited classes in the struggle against the exploiters also inevitably gives rise to faith in a better afterlife, as the powerlessness of a savage with nature gives rise to faith in gods, devils, miracles, etc. P. The one who works and needs his whole life, religion teaches humility and patience in earthly life, comforting with hope for a heavenly reward. And those who live in other people's labor, religion teaches charity in earthly life, offering them very cheap for their entire exploitative existence and selling tickets for heavenly prosperity at a reasonable price. Religion is the opium of the people. Religion is a kind of spiritual sivuhi in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demands for a life worthy of a person. ”
        PSS, t.12, s.142-143.
        Brilliant, understandable, accessible and nothing to oppose. A flock of sheep will always have a shepherd and a wolf. For the herd, the main thing is stability ... of life and death.
        Religion is the most successful enterprise of all time, even in the era of space, electronics and biotechnology. Slaves, lost in spirit, weak did not go astray.
    6. freddyk
      freddyk 7 January 2018 15: 12
      +9
      Quote: Spartanez300
      A pipe dream, unfortunately the times of the USSR were irrevocably where more or less stratification of the society was minimized. Now that handful of people who unilaterally use the bowels of our land solve this problem as a sickle for me ****, and the leadership simply does not want to solve it because they themselves are tied to this


      However, the election in March. If you continue to vote for this power, then of course, irrevocably. The Communist Party has a real program on how to rectify the situation. And if Grudinin is not a coward, then anything is possible. At least we have a chance. There is no chance with Putin either. Vote for Grudinin, for the Socialist vector of state development.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 7 January 2018 17: 54
        +2
        Quote: freddyk
        The Communist Party has a real program on how to rectify the situation. And if Grudinin is not a coward, then anything is possible.


        The modern Communist Party of the Russian Federation has not been a fighter for a long time .... And Grudinin alone could in his agricultural enterprise, but the "Testament of Ilyich" (or whatever it is) is far from Russia ... We have been unable to cope with the tsarist dynasties from generation to generation her management ...
      2. Amper
        Amper 7 January 2018 18: 10
        +4
        Despite the fact that the modern Communist Party has not shown itself in anything, as an advanced party of workers. Just not Putin!
      3. ver_
        ver_ 8 January 2018 07: 03
        0
        ... * swam, we know .. *
    7. Maz
      Maz 7 January 2018 16: 53
      +6
      My grandfather fought so that there were no poor, only bagaty. And the price of a watch on the patriarch’s hand, which he hides from parishioners in wide sleeves, is completely equivalent to the price of an apartment or a good foreign car. So what are we talking about? About bundle?
      1. SERGUS
        SERGUS 8 January 2018 12: 54
        +1
        Quote: Maz
        And the price of a watch on the patriarch’s hand, which he hides from parishioners in wide sleeves, is completely equivalent to the price of an apartment or a good foreign car.

        The patriarch says the right words, he would have reinforced them with deeds, and by personal example, he would not have a price, and so, another verbiage.
    8. tchoni
      tchoni 7 January 2018 18: 57
      +1
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Now that handful of people who unilaterally use the bowels of our land solve this problem as a sickle for me ****, and the leadership simply does not want to solve it because they themselves are tied to this

      The point is not that someone uses the bowels unilaterally, but that these few who skim the riches of the country's wealth do not live in the country! Do not believe me ?! Raise the statistics on the welfare of 10% of the richest citizens of this country and 90% of the rest of the population. And you will see that in a period when the welfare of the bulk of the growing elite incurs losses, and vice versa
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  3. Semyonych
    Semyonych 7 January 2018 12: 31
    14
    Let as an example begin with his subordinates.
    1. Safer
      Safer 7 January 2018 12: 38
      17
      Start with yourself first! And then give him a residence!
      1. allaykbar
        allaykbar 7 January 2018 14: 14
        +6
        I will have to and will throw off the second residence to the Patriarch. It would be better to go to him in rags and to drive an unprotected car with a smoldering Caucasus and dreamers to decapitate

        If I had a watch for $ 150, I would give it to him too. The one who gave them to him was not the last to tear himself away. That's for sure
        1. Safer
          Safer 7 January 2018 14: 38
          +3
          Quote: allaykbar
          I will have to and will throw off the second residence to the Patriarch. It would be better to go to him in rags and to drive an unprotected car with a smoldering Caucasus and dreamers to decapitate

          If I had a watch for $ 150, I would give it to him too. The one who gave them to him was not the last to tear himself away. That's for sure

          The satirist dies in you!
          1. allaykbar
            allaykbar 7 January 2018 14: 52
            +4
            I did not make fun of anything in my posts on this topic. I seriously believe that the Patriarch should be protected, drive a good car and wear a good watch.

            I would be uncomfortable if my watch was more expensive than that of the Patriarch, and the car would be a class higher than his.

            And I am fine with the fact that the Patriarch is given expensive gifts. I think people are pleased to do this.

            The question is that they could give such gifts to orphanages - but we don’t know how many these people sent to charity - to judge them.
            1. Krabik
              Krabik 7 January 2018 15: 14
              10
              I will tell you a secret: modern orphanages are littered with money, and the children there are spoiled to indecent.

              And your patriarch, at least, should be an ascetic, if he bears the word of God, and does not protect the interests of the oligarchy.
              1. allaykbar
                allaykbar 7 January 2018 15: 16
                +5
                I worked with the orphanage a few years ago - even then I knew that 40 k a month is allocated for a child and in spite of this I did not take money for my services

                So you are right, now the state is taking care of children without parents. If you are starving somewhere, this is a problem already in place. Funding is coming
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 7 January 2018 15: 23
                  +3
                  Sorry, but in orphanages they don’t care about future wards, you can’t spoil children and then throw this incomprehensible body into the street.

                  The state should clearly build the future of raised children for their own benefit.

                  For example, grow milkmaids to work in the Russian outback.
                  And after the orphanage, a person must work 10 years for the benefit of the state.
                  1. allaykbar
                    allaykbar 7 January 2018 15: 47
                    +4
                    my best friend is an orphanage pupil. He studied diligently and did not drink. Now he has 3 children and he recently bought a 3-room apartment.

                    So in our country you can easily rise from the bottom. The main thing is not to thump. And to improve, learn and have a goal.

                    And he thanked the state - he became a Man, made children and pays taxes.

                    If he would have swelled, then yes. 18 years of state security for smarka
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 7 January 2018 15: 26
              +5
              Quote: allaykbar
              I seriously believe that the Patriarch should be protected, drive a good car and wear a good watch.

              And I think the opposite. And, most importantly, the patriarch thinks so, if you believe him. Question: Are you engaged in violence against the patriarch, and do not follow his calls?
              1. allaykbar
                allaykbar 7 January 2018 15: 45
                +3
                gifts are not accepted to throw away or sell. When a person makes a gift, he makes it with a pure heart and hopes that this gift will be used for its intended purpose, and not sold or gifted
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 7 January 2018 15: 53
                  +7
                  Yeah, it turns out like in a movie: "But he cried and took, took and cried." Do you generally consider someone else’s opinion, or just listen, but do everything in your own way?
                  1. allaykbar
                    allaykbar 7 January 2018 15: 55
                    +4
                    in the sense? What am I doing? and why don’t I listen?

                    it hurts me to read how you (not specifically you) think how many hours the Patriarch has presented, what kind of car and what kind of protection he has

                    From where people have a habit of counting someone else’s. I do not understand. Nobody forbids you to have an expensive watch or a car. Everything depends on you.

                    If you do not need an expensive watch or car, then this is nice. And if you need and you are envious of someone, not trying to improve yourself, in order to allow yourself to do this, then this is already sad
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 7 January 2018 16: 11
                      +7
                      Quote: allaykbar
                      What am I doing? and why don’t I listen?

                      You are trying to make the patriarch richer, instead of calling on him, to fight the stratification of the rich and the poor.
                      Quote: allaykbar
                      From where people have a habit of counting someone else’s. I do not understand. Nobody forbids you to have an expensive watch or a car.

                      Out of a sense of justice. If it increases in one place, then it decreases in another. Sometimes I send SMS for treatment of children, and I don’t understand why the state has money for the construction of facilities that no one needs, for the huge salaries of crooked-footed players, but not for the treatment of children.
                      1. allaykbar
                        allaykbar 7 January 2018 16: 14
                        +4
                        the church sends multiple more. And she does charity work on a large scale. Believe me
            3. Amper
              Amper 7 January 2018 18: 15
              +3
              Eternally, SAINTS! decorated with modesty, like diamonds. Now holiness is calculated in diamonds covering the saint ... Gundyaev is truly holy!
        2. Alf
          Alf 7 January 2018 22: 34
          +2
          Quote: allaykbar
          The one who gave them to him was not the last to tear himself away. That's for sure

          So I would ask this giving question-And where did you get this money? Only talk about hopeless work is not necessary.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 7 January 2018 15: 26
      +6
      with these or what?
      1. albert
        albert 7 January 2018 17: 36
        +4
        Add some
  4. Terenin
    Terenin 7 January 2018 12: 33
    21
    Quote: Shura Perm
    And this is said by a man who rides a 7-meter maybach and billions of billions ...

    Obviously, it is necessary to distinguish that Faith is one thing, and priests are another.
    1. Semyonych
      Semyonych 7 January 2018 12: 47
      15
      No not like this. Faith is different for us and for them (priests). They have such a well-fed, sleek, and we ......
      In the church, stench and twilight, clerks smoke incense,
      No, and in the church everything is not right, everything is not right.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 7 January 2018 15: 28
        +2
        Quote: Semyonitch
        Faith is different for us and for them (priests)

    2. dauria
      dauria 7 January 2018 13: 10
      +9
      Faith is one thing, but priests are another.


      Well, if rude - faith is a commodity, priests are sellers. The product is really needed and in demand. A simple, cheap and effective way of psychological defense. Come up with an equivalent replacement, then the church will not be needed. They tried to replace vodka, psychotherapists - more expensive for themselves. This is the reason for the existence of religions from time immemorial - it is NEEDED. And commodity-money relations allow the emergence of a structure that "sells" faith-goods. As well as competition, the struggle for the consumer, religious wars. Roughly, but it is.
      1. populist
        populist 7 January 2018 13: 49
        +6
        dauria
        A simple, cheap and effective way of psychological defense.

        A simple and effective way to stupefy.
        Well, opium, as the classics said. wink
        1. dauria
          dauria 7 January 2018 15: 01
          0
          A simple and effective way to stupefy.
          Well, opium, as the classics said


          Opium .. very true. But do not forget - opium preparations are NEEDED in medicine. With faith it is the same. She is VERY NEEDED in some cases. That is why it exists.
          1. populist
            populist 7 January 2018 15: 36
            +2
            dauria
            But don't forget - opium preparations are NEEDED in medicine. With faith it is the same. She is VERY NEEDED in some cases. That is why it exists.

            It exists because the ruling classes of oligarchs and officials need it.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 7 January 2018 19: 35
              0
              By the way, the Narodniks were not atheists for the most part.)) And their ideologist Mikhailovsky was a sincere believer, an Orthodox person.
              1. populist
                populist 7 January 2018 22: 51
                +1
                Sergej1972
                For the most part, the Narodniks were not atheists.

                Especially Bakunin, and Zhelyabov with Kibalchich. wink
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 8 January 2018 03: 25
                  0
                  Zhelyabov considered himself a Christian. I’m not talking about everyone, but about the "bulk".
      2. My doctor
        My doctor 7 January 2018 13: 58
        +2
        Quote: dauria
        Well, if rude - faith is a commodity, priests are sellers. The product is really needed and in demand. A simple, cheap and effective way of psychological defense. Come up with an equivalent replacement, then the church will not be needed. They tried to replace vodka, psychotherapists - more expensive for themselves. This is the reason for the existence of religions from time immemorial - it is NEEDED. And commodity-money relations allow the emergence of a structure that "sells" faith-goods. As well as competition, the struggle for the consumer, religious wars. Rude, but it is

        yes you are an existentialist. hi
        1. dauria
          dauria 7 January 2018 15: 13
          +2
          yes you are an existentialist.


          The trouble is with you, intellectuals. I have to crawl into the dictionary, but to figure out why or by whom it scolded me. laughing But I learned a new word. And thanks for that. hi

          No, I’m rather a materialist. (More precisely, most of the time). And I consider fear, “pangs of conscience”, protection of the psyche as a “software” mechanism of the brain developed by evolution. And needed to protect the "equipment" from irreversible damage. (Easier - so that a person does not go nuts)
  5. Olegater
    Olegater 7 January 2018 12: 35
    11
    He swayed for a long time to understand what the stratification leads to financially. Looks like there is information that at such a pace of stratification of society, the rich will again be planted on pitchforks!
    1. Semyonych
      Semyonych 7 January 2018 12: 37
      +2
      There was no team. A forced man.
    2. allaykbar
      allaykbar 7 January 2018 14: 18
      +4
      again, the rich will be put on pitchforks


      and then heal! Gardamir and Svarog! Andrei opposition and Lenya Golubkov!
      After all, if you give them what the rich ruled, the Gardamirs will only multiply!

      Waiting for the moment when it will be possible to break into the Abramovich’s residence and cut them and pull everything away in their corners?

      I hasten to upset you - the people will be even deeper in the cesspool, and you (figuratively) as you had nothing, you will be left with nothing.

      Even if you steal something in the residence - all the same, everything is about ... losing. If now I could not make and increase - then even with the help of Brulik Abramovich - you will not be able to increase. Only spend a maximum.

      Yes, and spend the word is ... Not suitable - just pass ....
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 7 January 2018 14: 30
        +4
        Firstly: if such an appeal has taken place, then the general condition of the population is already in the cesspool!
        Secondly: the people should have a leader or leader, like Lenin, and then Stalin. Then there will be order. And there will be no massacre, but there will be judgment.
        Yes, it is a normal court, and not the circus that is now!

        And I hasten to upset you robbing you of your favorite Abramovich is already in the form of an increase in prices for everything. And you didn’t even notice this, you’re only protecting your idols.
        Oh well!!!
        1. allaykbar
          allaykbar 7 January 2018 14: 38
          +4
          I’m defending myself against the ball ones, which everyone wants to take away and share - and they themselves can only manage their chicken coop - and even that is not a fact that they have it.

          They probably think that they will take away the brulik from the olegarch - and they will build a business / chicken coop on him

          yeah .. multipliers

          The entrepreneur who has a streak - the oligarchs do not interfere with making money, and they do not take money from him. He multiplies what he has. And he can start with 10 rubles. The main thing is that there is a desire and skill

          And if there is no desire or skill, then give him at least a bag of gold. He will turn it into fecal substance.

          So yes, let Deripaska manage GAZ and make Gazelles, and Gardamir and Svarog sit on the forum and shed tears about the alegarchs

          Yes, it is a normal court, and not the circus that is now!


          Are you a judge or a lawyer now? Or a layman? Maybe someone prevented you from becoming a lawyer or judge? put obstacles to your dream?

          Perhaps the alegarchs prevented your dreams of everything beautiful from being realized, right?
          1. Olegater
            Olegater 7 January 2018 15: 20
            +2
            Yeah, they saw people like him there, and a man is an entrepreneur! Yes, it sounds proud! These are the people who in the 90s robbed, tore, sold my country under the name of the USSR? Do you protect such people? It’s interesting, but you have a chicken coop in your office, that is, once you undertake to protect your owners!
            Can you do something yourself?
            I see this judicial circus, as a lawyer, it’s not for you to defend or condemn this profanity.
            More questions?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 7 January 2018 15: 24
              +5
              Quote: Olegater
              I see this judicial circus as a lawyer ...

              For a lawyer in your texts a lot of grammatical, stylistic and other errors.
              Maybe you're not a lawyer yet? And, say, the son of a lawyer?
              Quote: Olegater
              ... a normal trial, not the circus that is now ...

              Ah ... so you are a circus lawyer?
              Then all the pain becomes clear yes
              1. Olegater
                Olegater 7 January 2018 15: 29
                +3
                Are you probably the troll’s daughter? Bored or paid well?
                Ah, do you like literacy?
                For your information, you have error after error. Can you start with yourself?
                1. allaykbar
                  allaykbar 7 January 2018 16: 03
                  +4
                  Olegater, tell me how much the oligarchs took from you. The figure.

                  How exactly does the alegarch prevent you from doing your job or being a lawyer?

                  If you become a judge, will you be the most honest judge? Incidentally, I have no doubt about that. Therefore, I wish you good luck in your business and career growth. Our judicial system will begin to improve you

  6. Oleg Jacket
    Oleg Jacket 7 January 2018 12: 37
    23
    + hate priests
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 7 January 2018 13: 15
      10
      And who does opportunists generally love besides themselves?
  7. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 7 January 2018 12: 42
    10
    Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill in his Christmas television interview called stratification of society in the modern world “a huge problem” and called on the Russian authorities to direct their efforts to bridge the gap between rich and poor

    So let it begin with himself and his brotherhood. In general, this talking room is tired ...
  8. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 7 January 2018 12: 42
    +9
    "Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill in his Christmas television interview called stratification of society in the modern world" a huge problem and called on the Russian authorities to direct their efforts to bridge the gap between rich and poor. "
    But if the Russian authorities heed the call of the Patriarch, would they make all the rich poor or all the poor rich? Question questions.
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 7 January 2018 12: 53
      +3
      They will not forget themselves (they will not deprive themselves) in any case laughing
  9. Lexus
    Lexus 7 January 2018 12: 42
    12
    Calling someone to do something would be nice to start with YOURSELF!
  10. fa2998
    fa2998 7 January 2018 12: 47
    14
    The slogan is correct, only let the Holiness show a personal example! Let himself, the whole patriarchy, and the rest of the church aces transplant to Priory, from the top Mercedes, Maybach, etc. hi
    1. Giants
      Giants 7 January 2018 18: 22
      +4
      Quote: fa2998
      The slogan is correct, only let the Holiness show a personal example! Let himself, the whole patriarchy, and the rest of the church aces transplant to Priory, from the top Mercedes, Maybach, etc.

      That would not be Christian laughing
  11. osoboye_mneniye
    osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 12: 47
    +7
    "Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill in his Christmas television interview called stratification of society in the modern world" a huge problem and called on the Russian authorities to direct their efforts to bridge the gap between rich and poor, RIA Novosti reports. "

    Empty declarations. They understand that under capitalism this is impossible.
    And under a popular state, the influence of the church will be lost in many ways.
    Moreover, they themselves are now actively engaged in the seizure of former religious sites from state and public institutions. That is, they themselves become richer, while others are made poorer.
    And then such a move by the knight ...
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 7 January 2018 13: 19
      +5
      There is no stratification with St. Isaac’s Cathedral ...
      1. albert
        albert 7 January 2018 17: 37
        +1
        And with Peresvet Bank, all the more laughing
  12. weksha50
    weksha50 7 January 2018 12: 48
    15
    "The Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, Cyril, in his Christmas television interview called stratification of society in the modern world" a huge problem " and called on the Russian authorities to direct their efforts towards bridging the gap between rich and poor"...

    Hmm ... Who would say ... After all, logically, the church needs to be called for the same ... That church, which from time immemorial was not a beggar, but even had slaves (serfs) ... Which even in times of atheism and socialism was not poor ...

    "Socialism tried to solve this problem. But let's honestly say: he did not solve it.".

    The news is small ... However, the most important thing is that socialism at least somehow tried, at least somehow in practice portrayed this attempt ...
    Now who will do this ???
    Honestly, I have long believed that any religion, like any party, has one goal: to achieve power, and, accordingly, wealth ... And how and how they seduce people - it makes absolutely no difference ... At least the pop leader some kind of religion, at least some kind of kiky Zyuganov-Yavlinsky-Zhirinovsky and others like them ... The same “human rights activist ratification” Alekseeva aims to get through to the feeding trough ... Yes, that’s all !!! negative yes hi
  13. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 7 January 2018 12: 48
    18
    I would start from myself, abandoning the state security of the FSO and flashing lights. She did not put it at all, like the blue buckets on the roofs of cars. And to start paying taxes already, since they are engaged in entrepreneurship. It’s necessary to share income ...
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 7 January 2018 13: 14
      +9
      Come on! They have not smuggled cigarettes for a long time. All honestly! Articles from the state budget ... Now not a single thing from the rocket to the tank without consecration will not move anywhere
  14. VAGNER
    VAGNER 7 January 2018 12: 51
    11
    As I understand it, soon there will be again, a big hit of "demons" in the Russian Orthodox Church ..?
    After all, this is the basis of Russia, at all times ...!
    Merry Christmas Orthodox! God bless us in our struggle for the souls of our children and grandchildren ..
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 7 January 2018 13: 04
      +2
      Quote: VAGNER
      As I understand it, soon there will be again, a big hit of "demons" in the Russian Orthodox Church ..?

      What about you now? About РПЦ (http://www.patriarchia.ru/) or ROCC (http://rpsc.ru/)?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 7 January 2018 14: 04
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        What about you now? About the Russian Orthodox Church (http://www.patriarchia.ru/) or the Russian Orthodox Church (http://rpsc.ru/)?

        This is about the Russian Orthodox Church. Because the Old Believer church is not so strong as to pose a serious threat to postmodern values.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 7 January 2018 17: 19
          +1
          Quote: Flood
          This is about the Russian Orthodox Church. Because the Old Believer church is not so strong as to pose a serious threat to postmodern values.

          There are always two Russia. One inside the Ring Road, and the other - the Ring Road. For those who live inside the Moscow Ring Road, the faith of our ancestors does not matter what, and our enemies always attack the faith of the Ring Road, but they always get to the fullest from the old faith. God willing and we will deal with the Ring Road.

          May 31 2017, for the first time in 350 years, the Russian leader visited the spiritual center of the Russian Orthodox Old Believers Church, the cathedral and a new exhibition.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 7 January 2018 19: 40
            0
            The Old Believers themselves have complete discord. Two alternative structures are among the "priests". Plus a lot of “bespopovtsev”, which in terms of organizational structure closer to the Protestants.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 7 January 2018 21: 29
              +2
              Quote: Sergej1972
              The Old Believers themselves have complete discord. Two alternative structures are among the "priests". Plus a lot of “bespopovtsev”, which in terms of organizational structure closer to the Protestants.

              This is not so, the Old Believers are all right, there is no tearing, just there are many sects and branches that classify themselves as Old Believers, but they have nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Old Believer Church
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 7 January 2018 22: 28
                0
                There is a Russian Orthodox Old Believer church with a center in the Rogozhskaya Sloboda in Moscow, and there is a Russian Old Orthodox Church (formerly the center was in Novozybkov). Why aren't they coming together? And then there’s the Popeless Pomeranian consent
  15. Olegater
    Olegater 7 January 2018 12: 59
    12
    The wave went, most likely due to embarrassment with the freedman. The Americans pinched his tail, and he stops or has already stopped investing pennies in the defense industry. Well, now the division into supposedly "patriots" and owners will begin. Here to the beginning of the financial massacre and such righteous speeches. Anyway, if the batch goes nothing and no one survives!
    And as always, we will suffer, dear forum users! Touch all these disassemblies of oligachers in the form of raising prices for everything! And soon we will pay tax on air!
  16. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 7 January 2018 13: 04
    +6
    that's how it is .... you see the idiot of the brains of naive parishioners that October 1917 may happen again ... and again the monasteries will leave temples under the base clubs and other useful premises ... and he will be moved to a corner so that he does not blather and climb into power
  17. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 7 January 2018 13: 06
    +6
    The main thing is on time!
    It’s like after a fire to say to fire victims: “Be careful with fire! Don’t give matches to children!”
    It smells of war in the air. The country is preparing the final privatization of strategically important enterprises (read: returning to the enemies all that is). Though...
    Or maybe he called for the poor to "fight stratification"? Is it like a robbery? Then to the patriarch - Glory, Glory, Glory!
  18. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 7 January 2018 13: 08
    +3
    piglet piglet, turn into crucian carp
  19. Romin
    Romin 7 January 2018 13: 11
    20
    Oh and the church woke up)
    Remember how in the states, with the unrest of blacks, their churches worked 24 hours an hour: mostly chants and forgiveness.
    The words of the patriarch say that he feels the limit of restraint and signals from places about poverty around have reached critical levels. As a sufficiently educated person, he understands what this can lead to - this is about merciless;)
    By the way, now on holidays I reached Ivangorod, went through customs to Narva, then a train to Tallinn. Narva is such a Russian city that I dad was much embarrassed. Tallinn, by the way, too;) I spoke Russian everywhere. At the same time, he ate only from friendly Estonians and bought souvenirs only from friendly Estonians. Excuse me, the thesis "friendly" has defined for myself as Russian-speaking and friendly. Faced 2-3 times with a "fascist" attitude and .. turned around and left, punished the ruble. In general, my advice is: learn Russian and be friendly to guests and gain additional funds;)) By the way, for all Estonians - I’m not suffering from imperial desires to seize Estonia;)) and I think we don’t need it, neutral status would be welcomed from you.
    But I'm not talking about that;)
    I do not want to offend anyone, this is my personal opinion, the standard of living of the majority of the population there, like that of a church mouse. In principle, the same as ours!
    But there is a big BUT!
    As soon as you cross the border back to Russia, you find yourself in some kind of infrastructure mordor!
    The groomed, dirt, lack of lighting of the sidewalks is striking, along the Tallinn highway you go in the direction of St. Petersburg as if along a black forest black road ... pits on the sidewalks, roads ... all gray and black.
    In general, everything that the State is responsible for! Everything that should develop at the expense of the state budget is in decline!
    Dear we pay taxes! Where are they? Where is our money? Why is public infrastructure in full w ...!
    And at the same time, Gazprom was buying the legionnaires for the zenith, and for this money it was possible to illuminate the entire Tallinn highway! Where are high-speed trains between cities, the same Leningrad Region!
    What the hell are state-owned companies paying hyper-salaries and hyper-bonuses to their managers!
    Isn’t it time for you to return to the direct fulfillment of your duties!
    And to organize a functioning State System aimed at the social development of the country, at the development of society and infrastructure, and not at the enrichment of their friends and friends of their friends.
    Are you up there All "fucked up"? You live in a parallel universe!
    In the same Lyon area of ​​salary in the region of 12-15 and a pension of 9?
    And infrastructure at the level of the 19th century!
    We can only say that in terms of public administration and organization, a solid Deuce can be put to President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin!
    With such a country, people, resources, we live worse than our neighbors - shame!
    Where is the fight against offshore?
    All state-owned companies and state-owned banks are the same budget of the Russian Federation, they keep money in offshore! And they do not pay taxes to the budget of the Russian Federation from their turnover. Putin is a shame!
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 7 January 2018 13: 19
      +3
      Quote: Romin
      Dear we pay taxes! Where are they? Where is our money? Why is public infrastructure in full w ...!

      And to whom do we all, including you, trust in the elections to steer them? That's right - the Duma, it is she who approves not only the budget of the country, but also determines the duties and responsibilities of officials by her laws, so I don’t understand your hitting Putin.
      ps "... Moscow time is twelve hours, thirty minutes ..."

      1. Nehist
        Nehist 7 January 2018 14: 35
        +4
        And where does the thought? We do not have a parliamentary republic. And the Presidential. Here he is, according to the letter of the law, responsible for everything
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 7 January 2018 19: 44
          +2
          Strictly speaking, de jure is the presidential-parliamentary (semi-presidential), as in France. But with a predominance of elements of presidentialism. But de facto presidential or even super-presidential.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 7 January 2018 14: 25
      +5
      Something sickened you all. Friendly Estonians.
  20. pvv113
    pvv113 7 January 2018 13: 12
    16
    called on the Russian authorities to direct their efforts to bridge the gap between rich and poor

    Why not start with yourself? He has a collection of hats for a whole company of patriarchs

    And the price of these miter is prohibitive. If for ordinary bishops in the online store SUCH PRICES, then it’s scary to even assume how much the patriarch’s hat
  21. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 7 January 2018 13: 13
    +9
    Let him start with himself. Why would he need government protection and an armored limousine if God himself keeps it? One of the two, or the Lord did not give up, or not just does not believe ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 January 2018 21: 32
      +2
      Quote: Vasya Vassin
      Let him start with himself. Why would he need government protection and an armored limousine if God himself keeps it? One of the two, or the Lord did not give up, or not just does not believe ...

      Protection is needed is not discussed, the same thing by car. There are more than a dozen people who are ready to send the patriarch to the forefathers.
      1. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 7 January 2018 22: 15
        +2
        Does it personally have to sadden me somehow? His meeting with relatives?
  22. Antares
    Antares 7 January 2018 13: 23
    21
    The owner of 4 billion dollars,
    owner

    the owner of the cottage is 16-17 hectares.
    Owner of the Pallas vessel
    according to various estimates, it costs $ 4-6,7 million. Inside - white furniture from expensive varieties of wood and leather, luxurious double beds, a living room with a home cinema and a breakfast bar, a dining room with a dining table for eight, and floors are covered with white carpets.

    and Azimut, about $ 600 thousand.
    Little things like hours for 30 thousand, gifts and the use of state planes (up to 8 million rubles flights)
    don't consider
    The one who moved from building to building (the distance between which is about 100 meters) on an armored Mercedes business class, accompanied by a car with a flasher, and police officers were placed along its route.
    The one who visiting Ukraine in 2010 - together with him from Moscow came to Ukraine from a special car two SUVs Cadillac Escalade, each of which cost about $ 100 thousand. During his visit, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church rode precisely on these cars, and they delivered him to the Khutorok restaurant in Dnepropetrovsk, where Leonid Kuchma and Vladimir Putin dined at one time. He lived in a five-star hotel "Ukraine", where the presidential suite cost $ 810 per day.
    Another ascetic was engaged in business in the tobacco, oil, automotive and food industries.
    Calls for the modesty of colleagues in the priestly business, and here are ordinary people too.
    Did he say something new? Priests have always called for patience with their masters, not to rebel, not to envy, and to be good at all, there will be counted.
    Usmanov generally stated that the people would survive everything once in Leningrad, living on 125 grams ...
    Apparently they either mock or revel ..
  23. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 7 January 2018 13: 24
    15
    You need to fight not with inequality, but with criminals robbing the country.
  24. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 7 January 2018 13: 26
    13
    Another “summoner” ... How many times have I seen priests shove money under a cassock with a lazy movement, or a servant takes it after they “consecrate” another Mercedes .....
  25. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 7 January 2018 13: 36
    +7
    This is a vivid example of those who called "opium for the people"
    A stupid comparison, GOD and people are like a seller and a buyer, different goals and objectives ... look IN YOURSELF and figure it out !!!
  26. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 7 January 2018 13: 40
    10
    That's right, let him start with himself. Suggest - do it.
  27. Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 January 2018 13: 45
    +3
    And how does he see it? Move the rich to the poor or the poor to the rich? The first method is easier, and there is some kind of experience. laughing
  28. tasha
    tasha 7 January 2018 13: 48
    22
    The current church has completely discredited itself. And the Patriarch’s call to fight inequality is the Pharisaism of pure water ... I’m ashamed ... We must start with ourselves ...
    It’s just that - people are sitting in front of each temple, asking for alms ........ Is that right? Yes, give them panicles, let the snow sweep for a salary ....
    I have two friends priests. One - he builds a temple in the village ... Himself ... Doesn’t require anything and supports me in a word ... I help him with what I can .... Second - brought a laminated icon and asks me to give him a chainsaw ... Moreover, the most expensive ...
    There is a third .. Bad. :) I walked past the church, but he almost moved me, did not notice ... And he had a car - Nissan Qashaqi 2017 wink
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 7 January 2018 13: 53
      10
      Quote: tasha
      ... brought a laminated icon and asks me to give him a chainsaw ... Moreover, the most expensive ...

      In the goof belay laughing
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 7 January 2018 18: 13
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        In the goof


        Who? laughing
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 7 January 2018 21: 41
          +5
          Quote: weksha50
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          In the goof

          Who? laughing

          Um ... but the truth is who is more? Shar-rada (s) recourse
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 7 January 2018 14: 47
      +1
      Quote: tasha
      It’s just that - people are sitting in front of each temple, asking for alms ........ Is that right? Yes, give them panicles, let the snow sweep for a salary ...

      You argue how the evil Anglo-Saxons, who are so fond of stigmatizing here - among them, the evil Anglo-Saxons, the poor were harassed as a class - speaking in the Marxist language. They are considered to be poor by parasites. And in Russia, from time immemorial, the poor have been respected.
      Most of the comments did not like, and this is after all, on a holiday, when a festive table is set, congratulations.They don’t know what they are doing
  29. Terenin
    Terenin 7 January 2018 13: 49
    +6
    Quote: Marquis Cat
    Another “summoner” ... How many times have I seen priests shove money under a cassock with a lazy movement, or a servant takes it after they “consecrate” another Mercedes .....

    Who should blame this whole mess? On your parents or children? And that is our fault. Who in our country feeds us, mainly military personnel, will set an example of life in good conscience, and not watch "how many times" how priests take bribes and give them for coverage of our own Mercedes ...
  30. Starik72
    Starik72 7 January 2018 13: 51
    +8
    “Mr.” Gundyaev, do not blame the mirror for distorting the original, pay attention to yourself first. Bring yourself first in accordance with what YOU have expressed, and then proceed further.
  31. cedar
    cedar 7 January 2018 13: 53
    +3
    Quote: Semyonitch
    No not like this. Faith is different for us and for them (priests). They have such a well-fed, sleek, and we ......
    In the church, stench and twilight, clerks smoke incense,
    No, and in the church everything is not right, everything is not right.


    To begin with, before drawing conclusions, one must know the tragic history of the Russian Orthodox Church, and at the same time the history of the papacy, even if only a brief one. What our dads did to our people did not even dream of glory to God. Sometimes open Satanists reigned in Rome, who attacked Orthodoxy and Holy Russia with all their might and not without success. We are now reaping the fruits of this centuries-old spiritual expansion, but judging by your comments, we don’t give a report to this at all ...
    Merry Christmas to all.
    God bless you from all troubles and misfortunes.
  32. NKVD
    NKVD 7 January 2018 14: 10
    +4
    You Gundyaev start with yourself. Do not travel abroad, move without protection. And it turns out you are more afraid of human anger than God's. And in general, stop getting into politics, your business is the spiritual sphere.
  33. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 7 January 2018 14: 14
    +2
    The scum news ..
    The main thing that he said was the replacement of cash by cashlessness .. It jeopardizes personal freedom. And he is absolutely right.
    This is not in this note.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 7 January 2018 15: 26
      +3
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      Endangers Personal Freedom

      Yes, they remove cash, then they “tie” it to the card, then complete control, then they put the chip in the forehead, well, or in the hand, in the West, by the way, they line up.
  34. Antor
    Antor 7 January 2018 14: 16
    +9
    It is necessary for the patriarch to begin with himself and set an example for his religious community and the laity .. !!! Everyone learned to speak the right words, but how about the matter ........ some calls are not clear to whom specifically. The poor can do little with the stratification of society — they would survive, but the rich need it — they are so good, especially in temples they are usually VIPs for their rich offerings !!! And the connection with the authorities in the church today is such that it is not up to the poor either one way or the other, everyone is enriched as they can, including the poor. The progressive tax in the country has not been adopted, and what kind of justice is it, the real incomes of the ordinary population are declining and there is no end to it yet, the cost of living in the country is simply ridiculous, etc., etc.
    I am for the fight against poverty, but not on the lycimerism of empty calls and promises of the authorities, but in practice, because I believe that if everything continues to continue in the spirit of Mr. Medvedev’s wishes “there is no money, but you hold on ..”, then this very fraught, as our history shows.
  35. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 7 January 2018 14: 20
    +9
    Quote: Hoc vince
    He is an Orthodox monk.

    Many "Orthodox monks" have watches for 30 kilos euros, armored limousines, state security, luxury residences and even a yacht?
    You have interesting notions about Orthodox monks. Jesus wouldn’t understand this ....
  36. SPLV
    SPLV 7 January 2018 14: 24
    +8
    Political prostitution at the highest level of the clergy. The USSR could not decide for 70 years, but the 900 years of Christianity in Russia were an era of universal equality. And this one climbs into the ranks.
    Sell ​​your maybach, give all the gold, and you won’t squeeze a camel into the eye of a camel, "saint."
    Such advisers are furious, that’s who the sofa philosopher is! For how many years he has been reading his sermons, but for some reason he has not begun with himself.
    This is how class hatred is born.
  37. tchoni
    tchoni 7 January 2018 14: 28
    12

    Still need comments?
    About t
  38. bald
    bald 7 January 2018 14: 29
    +3
    I wonder what mutato came up with such a headline for the article. Because of him, I called KIRILLA and wanted to answer firmly by reading the article. At the very first paragraph, he apologized to Cyril and took his words back. In the title you can understand - they say the people - let's fight the stratification .... And the appeal of Cyril to the Russian authorities.
  39. michell
    michell 7 January 2018 14: 37
    +8
    "The problem of Russia is not that the poor eat a lot, the problem of Russia is that the rich do not get drunk" (Moped is not mine ...)
  40. Fight
    Fight 7 January 2018 14: 41
    0
    He prays for his moshna
  41. Victor N
    Victor N 7 January 2018 14: 55
    +5
    I read 96 comments: essentially nothing and how to solve it - nothing! Gone to the side, Chatted.
    1. freddyk
      freddyk 7 January 2018 15: 18
      +4
      Quote: Victor N
      essentially the problem and how to solve it - nothing! Gone to the side, Chatted.


      Essentially we will say March 18th.
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 7 January 2018 17: 30
        +3
        You can say that, but a huge number of voters will generally not go out. plotsBut this is not the main thing !! For whom they voted there, this is one, BUT TO CALCULATE THE RESULTS- there the people set are faithful, unshakable! For a beloved new (old) guarantor - 99%. laughing hi
        1. albert
          albert 7 January 2018 17: 44
          +2
          So yes. As they say, if everyone voted for Grudinin in the elections, Putin will be elected president anyway!
        2. freddyk
          freddyk 7 January 2018 19: 16
          +2
          Quote: fa2998
          You can say that, but a huge number of voters will generally not go out. plots


          So the statement is true that the people are worthy of their government. They won’t go, and then there’s nothing to whine about, that the thieves got them, that the country was plundered. All that is in our power is to tear your ass off the couch and go vote. Indeed, as you say, this is not the main thing, but the main thing is that the voices of those who didn’t come automatically will go to Putin.
  42. Terenin
    Terenin 7 January 2018 15: 00
    +7
    Quote: Oleg Jacket
    + hate priests

    Why are you so, today is the bright holiday of the Nativity of Christ.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 7 January 2018 16: 24
      +6
      Korezhit them today, on a holiday. So they come to g.no. Happy holiday to all normal people !!! And let all evil spirits
  43. sergo1914
    sergo1914 7 January 2018 15: 00
    +4
    Let me remind you of the ingenious phrase - How much is opium for the people? Who wants - buys. He who does not want does not buy. The choice is yours.
    PS I also have a Swiss watch. Expensive. So what? Someone can buy and someone can not and is furious about this fact. Work.
  44. demo
    demo 7 January 2018 15: 03
    +6
    Today I read that the Patriarch opposed non-cash money.
    Патриарх Кирилл
    In an interview with the TV channel "Russia"
    “We have hot heads that enthusiastically speak of the need
    liquidate cash and switch to electronic cards only. it
    will provide transparency, control, well, and all those arguments with which many
    are well acquainted. And all this is so. ”
    And if suddenly at some point in historical development
    access to these cards will be opened in response
    on your loyalty?

    See how worried that they learn how much money the ROC receives?
    Bank transfer can be monitored to the penny.

    That’s the whole vow of no money-grubbing and ended.
    1. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 7 January 2018 15: 08
      +1
      Not fully shown or you did not fully look .. See the full version.
  45. ivagulin
    ivagulin 7 January 2018 15: 05
    +2
    our upper ranks urge, indicate, demand, recommend, and many different other words, and as a result, a complete PPC from their literature it is already disgusting to listen to their power denounced
  46. bogart047
    bogart047 7 January 2018 15: 16
    +3
    that's who the prison is crying for ... and who needs to be dispossessed
  47. Overlock
    Overlock 7 January 2018 15: 22
    +1
    An interesting message from the patriarch. That's just how to implement? Select and share? Not suitable! Another option is that the government does not agree. So all these are just words.
  48. vfqjh
    vfqjh 7 January 2018 15: 22
    +4
    I understand everything: Faith, Fatherland, mercy ... But looking at these servants of the Lord, you think that they have long lived in paradise. And immediately it becomes uncomfortable, it is a shame for the State. It's a shame that they pray to God and bow to the devil. This is not Christian.
  49. Rusland
    Rusland 7 January 2018 15: 24
    +9
    Originally a losing and pointless thesis. Populism.
  50. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 7 January 2018 15: 26
    +3
    It would be nice to start with yourself, an example to show.
    1. BAI
      BAI 7 January 2018 16: 01
      +5
      They have no time, they fast.