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Syrian rake for the Ministry of Defense of Russia

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Strange история with damage to Russian aircraft at the base Khmeimim continues. Every day there are more and more new "evidence." Many "specialists" tell us about what actually happened on New Year's Eve there.




Enough time has passed for such an explanation to appear from the most interested department of our country - the Ministry of Defense. But apart from a vague answer like the fact that all this is a lie, we did not hear anything.

Although, to be honest with ourselves, we did not count on such an answer. Simply because Shoigu’s department is clumsy enough, but at the same time it persistently continues to feed misinformation. It is clear that there is a military secret. It is clear that there are certain obligations to the allies. It is clear that some facts are discussed in a very limited circle.

But then the explanations that followed the exposed disinformation look completely silly. Nobody forgot the video game photos. And, we assure you, remind us of this with enviable constancy.

It is very difficult sometimes to understand where the legs grow from the information. Yes, we will not argue, “Kommersant”, whose journalists are treated with awards by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, is not just getting first-hand information, but definitely standing second in line after the Star.

And the more strange is the fact that it was “Kommersant” who acted as “skirmishers”.

So, according to the official version, the base was fired with rockets and mines on New Year's Eve. But literally three days before this event, the same shelling took place.

This is recognized by our military. And now, given that among our readers there are many officers and generals, the question of backfilling. What actions is required to take the base commander?

He is obliged to at least strengthen the protection of the base area at a distance that makes it impossible to use mortars and small arms. This is in addition to all other events specialists. How far can a 122-mm mortar shoot? To 7 km. About 4 km for 82-mm fellow even writing inconvenient.

If you look at it this way, then, at first glance, it’s time for the base commander to shake off the stars. For it is not entirely clear what they did there between December 27 and 31.

But let's not hurry.

There is another nuance that does not give us peace. Militants shoot their victories with a variety of cameras. Even the destruction of individual vehicles and soldiers. And here - a strange silence. No one took on such a victory. Agree, damage to 7 aircraft in one fell swoop - really a serious victory. And no video!

The fact that later there some structures slouted in the style of the famous Ukrainian Internet group “Shadows”, destroying everything in the Donbas, is ridiculous. But if in essence?

Ukrainians infiltrated the ranks of the militants and infected video equipment with a "virus of hydration"? To batteries discharged at the most crucial moment? Only after 5 days a video appeared in the network, which was shot allegedly during the shelling. Funny this movie. Something our New Year's Eve reminds. Thunder, I guess. No more.

But let's not cling too much to the terrorists. Let us examine the shelling itself.

To damage the seven aircraft, you need to make at least a dozen aimed shots. For guaranteed successful shelling you need 30-40 shots. And so that four out of seven planes can be cut up to the state of either a major overhaul, or a write-off, definitely - even more.

Moreover, there should be a spotter in the area. The night is still ... Either the distance should be reduced to 2-3 kilometers. And it's better to even a kilometer away.

The shelling should be carried out in a short time. Up to 3-5 minutes. And the best is generally 1-2 minutes. A pair of 82-mm mortars installed in the back of the car is enough. And skillful calculations.

Something like this could have been a New Year's operation. Cars drove up to pre-selected positions. Shoot off. Mortars dismantled hid in the back. And dispersed in different directions.

It remains only to congratulate the militants on the successful accomplishment of the task and to think about what those who were obliged to ensure the safety of the area of ​​the Russian air base were doing.

But there is another version. Which for some reason is not voiced by experts. Work DRG. In favor of this version speak two dead soldiers. DRG penetrates the object. Mines, for example, ammunition depot. In this case, sentries are destroyed. Then, if possible, mine planes and go to a safe distance.

It remains a very simple job. At the beginning of the bombardment, launch parallel charges. To use motor vehicles with mortars as a means of transporting the DRG from the place of operation.

The presence of such DRGs from terrorists is not denied by anyone. During the war, the same Americans prepared enough skilled saboteurs. The very case when the quantity turned into quality.

And again I want to exclaim: what the devil! But shouting is not worth it, because, again, a lot of incomprehensible in the whole story.

There is one more thing that, as it seems to us, explains the silence of our MO. It is clear that after the shelling, it was not ordinary army officers who were engaged in the analysis of the situation, but specialists of just such a profile. They are on the "handwriting" may well establish the nationality of the DRG. And they “dug” something that can help another department in its work.

And now another unpleasant moment. After the shelling, we were informed about two dead. But there were no reports of wounded. Strange? For us, yes. But in Europe they talk about dozens of wounded. Not about one ten, namely about tens. Lie?

Maybe. But then how to explain the appearance on the basis of a flying military hospital Il-76MD "Scalpel-MT"? The base has its own medical unit. And "Scalpel-MT" is really a hospital. With all the necessary hospital options. From operating to ultrasound equipment. Doctors decided to ride in Syria? Is the local population a treat?

In general, it is clear that the election campaign has begun in the country. It is clear that today the people simply need "victory." Who is arguing? And no one even thinks. We can win.

Do we just need such a victory? From the finger?

Of course, a wonderful gift to hundreds of families on the New Year in the form of fathers and husbands who have returned from Syria. Undoubtedly.

But how real is the picture of the "broken ridge" and the "rout" of terrorists - that is the question today.

Experts today estimate the number of militants scattered throughout Syria in 2-3 thousands of people. It is clear that LIH (prohibited in the Russian Federation) as a “state” and as a military structure has been destroyed. But the militants will lead a guerrilla war. As it is even now happening in the Caucasus.

Their destruction is not a matter of months, but years. It is clear that they will periodically unite into small and sometimes larger gangs to hold one-off actions. Objects will be including the Russian military. There will be explosions, there will be death, there will be injuries. A battle has been won, but the war continues.

But maybe enough "ihtamnets"? Maybe enough unprofessional babbling from the Ministry of Defense?

It seems to be not to face such a department as the Ministry of Defense, lies and omissions. Which again was the car and a small truck.

“They are fakes,” “the planes are not destroyed,” “we have already repaired three of the seven,” and so on, in incremental terms. More and more empty words and less desire to believe in them.

One question on the merits: what prevents the Ministry of Defense from showing whole planes in order to dispel this myth?

And who does not honestly and directly tell about what happened at the base in reality?

Should we believe babbling or just silence?

Alas, we do not have to. But we, oddly enough, would like to know the truth.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 9 January 2018 09: 01
    +5
    There is a road along the airfield nearby ... whoever wants to go ... planes are in a bunch ... open ... It's amazing that they didn’t do it before ... and the businessman finally turned yellow this fact ... Another question is that this is all propaganda and you can’t get away from it ... For a long time you need to create the appropriate service ... and not only in the Ministry of Defense ... but also under the government it will not be out of place ... just to avoid the fact that they will put another "At Home" at the head, which successfully profukaet everything ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 January 2018 09: 05
      +9
      Perhaps Russian reason, that’s the reason. And the position of the Moscow Region regarding silence is generally something.
      Quote: Vard
      There is a road along the airfield nearby ... whoever wants to go ... planes are in a bunch ... open ... It's amazing that they didn’t do this before ... and the businessman finally turned yellow this fact ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 January 2018 09: 13
        +8
        Quote: 210ox
        And the MO’s position on silence is generally something.

        And what do you think should indicate the exact data with the coordinates of the funnels, so that the next DRG would be easier ...
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 9 January 2018 09: 22
          +7
          One question on the merits: what prevents the Ministry of Defense from showing whole planes in order to dispel this myth?
          The "torn down" 29th (white) side was shown according to news24 of January 5th. and he was getting ready to take off. what
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 9 January 2018 09: 26
            +2
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            One question on the merits: what prevents the Ministry of Defense from showing whole planes in order to dispel this myth?
            The "torn down" 29th (white) side was shown according to news24 of January 5th. and he was getting ready to take off. what

          2. Captain Nemo
            Captain Nemo 13 January 2018 11: 28
            +2
            Did you personally see the date of filming in the video metadata?
        2. captain
          captain 9 January 2018 09: 30
          33
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: 210ox
          And the MO’s position on silence is generally something.

          And what do you think should indicate the exact data with the coordinates of the funnels, so that the next DRG would be easier ...

          Well, you should not be surprised at this fact. All this can be observed in the comments of the "patriots" on the VO. We’ll tear them all, throw all their hats, we have the smartest generals, the best soldiers, the best special forces, the best intelligence ..... in short, the scribe, we are the coolest. Hatred, reluctance to notice shortcomings, unwillingness to draw conclusions from past wars and military conflicts all lead to such consequences. I recommend reading the comments of many "patriots", there are a lot of things I'm writing about. By the way, judging by the comments, the military do not so much. After these events, either crying or searching for the guilty will begin now. Pluses in cheers will not help.
          1. Captain Angry
            Captain Angry 9 January 2018 14: 47
            +2
            Bravo! All rightly said by you.
          2. ver_
            ver_ 10 January 2018 10: 37
            0
            ... I, the best will keep quiet silently, .. well, yes, RD 180 is the best in the world ..., the third warning was received for the ellipsis - well, I didn’t even know what sho this is a hidden mate .., * a lot of imagination and it’s like how to buoy ..
          3. Valery Saitov
            Valery Saitov 10 January 2018 14: 50
            0
            On the Internet, a lot of information about the defeat of airfields with SS US planes in Vietnam, in Afghanistan. We only love to condemn our own people (they don’t know how, they can’t, etc.), but the enemy does not sleep and ... the CIA, too.
        3. 210ox
          210ox 9 January 2018 09: 34
          +3
          No, it’s just not to be silent in a rag, but to refute, and if it happened, then speak directly.
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: 210ox
          And the MO’s position on silence is generally something.

          And what do you think should indicate the exact data with the coordinates of the funnels, so that the next DRG would be easier ...
          1. svp67
            svp67 9 January 2018 09: 47
            +6
            Quote: 210ox
            But to refute, and if it happened, then speak directly.

            And on the night of December 31 to January 1, you will find out that this shelling took place. Already, alas, the enemy has achieved his goal. It is not worth explaining why this bombardment was carried out precisely at that time.
            1. My doctor
              My doctor 9 January 2018 10: 40
              +6
              The article is written nonsense. This is especially evident when he writes indicating that during the shelling of mortars, video was not taken. , these are mortars, they have a hinged projectile flight path allowing them to fire from closed positions without eye contact. And what kind of optics at night, and even at the base where with a probability of one hundred percent there is equipment detecting this? What kind of spotter at the base, where there are means of noise suppression of radio waves, did he correct on a landline telephone? We do not know about the accuracy of the fire and the presence of any damage, but it can be assumed by the number of victims. As for the damage to the aircraft, it is necessary to take into account the distance between them and the type of ammunition used against them, as well as the degree of damage. At the expense of the DRG, this is an extreme version of conspiracy theories.
              1. Strategy
                Strategy 13 January 2018 12: 52
                0
                Theorizing ...
            2. 210ox
              210ox 9 January 2018 12: 10
              0
              By the fourth, they could get out of a coma .. This is MO and not Sharashkin’s office
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: 210ox
              But to refute, and if it happened, then speak directly.

              And on the night of December 31 to January 1, you will find out that this shelling took place. Already, alas, the enemy has achieved his goal. It is not worth explaining why this bombardment was carried out precisely at that time.
          2. Normal
            Normal 9 January 2018 21: 49
            +2
            Here is a rather interesting analysis of both what happened and the photos. I do not know if it is possible to throw links from other sites? There is an interesting article on life https://life.ru/t/army/1076370/novoghodnii_udar_
            po_khmieimimu_minoborony_pora_vspomnit_opyt_sovie
            tskoi_armii? & utm_referrer = https% 3A% 2F% 2Fzen.y
            andex.com
      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 9 January 2018 09: 45
        12
        He is obliged to at least strengthen the protection of the base area at a distance that makes it impossible to use mortars and small arms. This is in addition to all other events specialists. How far can a 122-mm mortar shoot? To 7 km. About 4 km for 82-mm fellow even writing inconvenient.
        If you look at it this way, then, at first glance, it’s time for the base commander to shake off the stars. For it is not entirely clear what they did there between December 27 and 31.

        It’s good for us to sit at home, read on the couch, and then fill up our “highly professional expert” judgments! But what about the aforementioned base commander if, on New Year's Eve, most of the people were removed and sent to the mainland ?! Those who are left to stretch out with a chain-net and "cover" the area adjacent to the base with all available people to guard the base ?! Without a shift, sleep and rest ?!
        If people were sent to the mainland, then there was a minimum at the base, which was probably barely enough for guard duty in the area of ​​the base itself! And the fact that they did not have enough to constantly cover the base for the required range is the problem of bureaucrats from the Moscow Region and let them answer for the past fire attack on the base and the losses from it!
        1. Strategy
          Strategy 13 January 2018 13: 21
          +1
          Consequently, the stars should be shaken off from the higher command, which deprived the base commander of the opportunity to establish proper security and defense of the object entrusted to him.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 9 January 2018 09: 26
      +5
      Quote: Vard
      It has long been necessary to create an appropriate service ... and not only in the Moscow Region

      The idea is not new, but requiring money for its implementation. And the money on the world championships and the elections, alas, took kilotons ....
      It seems to me that a system of preventive measures should operate on the base ... Our specialists in such actions should see with their own eyes the defectiveness of the defense system and propose measures to prevent such tricks of the Ishilovites. Then the results will be different.
      IMHO.
      1. dSK
        dSK 9 January 2018 09: 39
        +3
        Hello, Alexander!
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        prevent measures
        "It became known that very soon The Russian Ministry of Defense will refuse to use the Microsoft operating system. It is reported that Windows will be removed from all computers of the department and will be installed instead domestic Astra Linux. - This is a completely domestic development, its creator is a Moscow company. “RusBITech”. This year, the military department will receive the first Astra Linux packages, after which the Russian operating system will be loaded on all official gadgets. " The newspaper "Izvestia" 09.01.18/XNUMX/XNUMX. with reference to its sources.
        1. sapporo1959
          sapporo1959 9 January 2018 12: 50
          +1
          Well, you see how import substitution is nevertheless striding leaps and bounds across our inexplicable country! Soon, yes, even the Ministry of Defense will abandon these imperialistic Windows, you know ... Such statements can be read as fun, but if it is also the so-called Ministry of Defense, where they watch and protect us from this very imperialism. ..
      2. max702
        max702 9 January 2018 12: 05
        +6
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        . And the money on the world championships and the elections, alas, took kilotons ....

        As for the mundial, I won’t say (although most of the money in the country remained in the form of an infrastructure, but didn’t spend on the purchase of pieces of paper) but, according to the elections, I’ll say the cost of the presidential election from the budget in 2005 was for the eligible to vote ... 15 rubles .. yes yes FIFTEEN rubles .. this is a very old fairy tale about archa expensive elections, this fun is by no means expensive as it seems, but the myth of high cost comes from the point “against all” .. the authorities didn’t need long games with the elections (you never know, there were precedents) So they came up with a fairy tale about their high cost ..
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 9 January 2018 21: 52
      +3
      "It has long been necessary to create an appropriate service ..."
      Didn’t catch what kind of service in question?
    4. Vladimir K.
      Vladimir K. 11 January 2018 00: 25
      +2
      Under the current government, there is no need for any such services - there are liberals in the leadership who are still hoping to make peace with the "civilized" west. The time has come for tough actions and decisions.
  2. svp67
    svp67 9 January 2018 09: 09
    11
    During World War II, England stopped printing obituaries of the deceased, which deprived the Germans of the opportunity to understand where their FAA got. So that silence is understandable. The fact that our command is guilty is not discussed, it is understandable, although the shelling was carried out from the territory controlled by the Syrians, we were still to blame, because two of our servicemen were killed. Now the specialists will figure out why they could not establish good intelligence and operational work in this zone, only two people will not be returned ...
    It is believed that the shelling was carried out from the "Cornflower", apparently mounted on a truck, which explains the transience and density of the fire raid. Aircraft are not destroyed, but damaged, and this is a completely different matter. It was not difficult to do this, in this situation, since the planes stood in a ruler, outside any shelters and one shrapnel hit was enough to recognize the aircraft as DAMAGED. I think that very soon the construction of full-fledged shelters will begin on the base ...
    We don’t even have the likeness of Western systems of short-range defense of field camps NBS C-RAM (Centurion) or MANTIS (Mantis) capable of knocking down mines, but it’s time to take care
    1. Abel
      Abel 15 January 2018 22: 41
      0
      During WWII, they realized that planes should be in caponiers
  3. bober1982
    bober1982 9 January 2018 09: 14
    14
    The article probably repeats the word dozens of times Clearbut after reading the article, nothing is clear. It’s good to be a couch analyst, that’s clear.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 9 January 2018 09: 18
    +5
    And now one more unpleasant moment. After the shelling, we were informed of two dead.

    it was also not clear ... with mortar attacks, the percentage of wounded is very high ... with a direct hit by a mine, few survive. The photos posted on the damaged plane show completely incomprehensible damage for mortar shelling ... it's hard to believe all this nonsense ...
    in general it’s clear that nothing is clear. what
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 10 January 2018 13: 07
      +2
      In those pictures, the place is far from Syria, and not Khmeimim. This has already been discussed, and again and again.
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 9 January 2018 09: 31
    12
    At first, I thought that the authors took the liberty of answering for the Russian Defense Ministry. But then, having started reading the lines about calculating how many mines it takes to disable one aircraft, I realized that this was another blah blah blah. In the absence of reliable information, damage to the aircraft can be considered as a broken wheel (repair is done quite quickly) and damage to the engine turbine blades - repair takes much longer - depending on the type of aircraft. Moreover, in both cases a small fragment is enough.
    Apparently, the authors' youth or a short memory did not allow them to draw a parallel with the airfield in Kabul, which has been regularly bombarded for ten years. And the Afghan limited contingent does not make any comparisons with the Syrian one.
    Well, photo and video evidence. Many authors take off at night with 4 km? And with 7km? Or calm down watching a movie from a computer game?
    1. Chichikov
      Chichikov 9 January 2018 09: 56
      13
      A stray little dog lives in my country house, - yapping all day, just to give away. And when all the metal was carried out at night, she would at least squeak!
      1. ver_
        ver_ 10 January 2018 10: 50
        +4
        ... so her own skin is more expensive ..
  6. alavrin
    alavrin 9 January 2018 09: 32
    +1
    Here you just need to enable the logic. It is clear that with short-term shelling, including mortar, seven aircraft are difficult to destroy, but if the mines really got into the warehouse and it detonated, then the consequences could be much more serious.
    For me, it is possible that 7 aircraft are out of order, but it is unlikely that they are destroyed. But the dead - you will not return ....
    This is a serious mistake, but it can and should be fixed. Well, organizational conclusions, of course.
    1. ammunition
      ammunition 9 January 2018 10: 43
      +1
      Quote: alavrin
      but if the mines really got into the warehouse and it detonated, then the consequences could be much more serious.

      There are air bombs. Usually forty bombs in the operational rack. If by 250. Or twenty, if by 500.
      You can figure it out .. The explosion of such a rack is a terrible thing ... Hardly ..
  7. NEOZ
    NEOZ 9 January 2018 09: 37
    0
    pebble raid?
  8. shuravi
    shuravi 9 January 2018 09: 47
    +7
    Not an article, but some kind of slurred bleating. The aftors forgot that the experience of guarding airfields in such conditions is quite extensive.
  9. basmach
    basmach 9 January 2018 09: 53
    +6
    And why does everyone reject the fact of the destruction of the "Crocodile". And the deaths of 2's pilots (despite the fact that the flight engineer remained alive). It looks more like the 24 was raised for suppression and was shot down. For aircraft, a lot is not necessary. I already wrote that in our regiment, during unauthorized shooting of 2 shells (HE), the 30-mm exploded near the fuselage in the area of ​​the anti-surge flaps (left). 2 holes each palm-sized, fragments passed through the bow barrel (Su-17М4) and squeezed the barrel trim in the right air intake. Harnesses cut in the barrel. If the 122-mm mine is blown up, the effect will be much more serious.
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 9 January 2018 10: 57
      +1
      One Mi-24 to suppress? Oh well. We in 1987 took off for suppression, but just a link. Moreover (thanks to intelligence), they only deployed to positions.
      1. basmach
        basmach 9 January 2018 20: 15
        +2
        And one shot down does not mean that the pair did not take off. And it makes no sense to drive the link to destroy a couple of cars.
    2. Strategy
      Strategy 13 January 2018 13: 28
      0
      Something I did not hear about 122-mm mortars and mines, only about 120-mm ...
  10. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 9 January 2018 10: 06
    10
    These are just our Wishlist, dear authors. I won’t say anything about the DRG’s action / inaction, but I’m not a specialist, but I’m talking about hate speech from the Moscow Region regarding the victory over terrorists and the desire to sweeten the upcoming elections with the returning military. .
    1. allaykbar
      allaykbar 9 January 2018 11: 11
      +5
      Regarding the action / inaction of the DRG, I will not say anything, not a specialist


      naturally. Did you even serve? I doubt judging by the amount of posts

      this, of course, is that nonsense that clearly does not paint the MoD in particular and the government in general.


      Well, you’ve got the Kremlin right now. Each of your posts is a terrible blow to the authorities and those in power.

      Not tired? Print about power posts? Or is it your job?
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 9 January 2018 11: 16
        +5
        wink Hamish kid! It pleases, it means zero arguments! As I understand it, you get paid for printing posts for power and Putin?
        1. allaykbar
          allaykbar 9 January 2018 11: 26
          +6
          how many posts of yours I have not read - not once about the service. But in every post about power. In general, one water and cotton wool

          This is strange for military viewing. But normal for garbage cans like Lentu.ru ru rambler and RBC. There is also an expert on an expert mixed with Ukrainians

          You need a cook forum. You will cook cabbage soup together there and teach Putin and Shoigu to rule the country and Moscow Region.

          As I understand it, you get paid for printing posts for power and Putin?


          no
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 9 January 2018 11: 30
            +3
            wink I already wrote to you about the forums of cooks and your professionalism in this! And until your death, due to the absence of other achievements, will you be proud of the year of military service? wink This is strange for a normal person!
            1. allaykbar
              allaykbar 9 January 2018 11: 31
              +6
              Well, the year he appeared in 2008 if my memory serves me right. Until 2008, I had been wearing epaulettes for 2 years. And then I also had the opportunity to serve.

              Well, as you thought, you are a cook-wrestler-with-regime.

              How did you get into VO? Or do you have a list of resources there? Curators do not particularly delve into?

              It would be better if you wrote posts under the herring recipe under a fur coat. And then your brother is already sick

              And until your death, due to the absence of other achievements, will you be proud of the year of military service?


              I am amused by those who have not even served a year, registered at the Military Review (not at the forum of pensioners / cooks) and the Moscow Region teaches us how to live and gives their own expert opinions.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 9 January 2018 15: 21
                +1
                smile Sick, do not read, or are you a masochist? By the way, I’m just writing VO Turbris, I just call you by the old nickname wink but the MO is driven by a comrade who also did not serve, and nothing. I’m honestly scared that we have such personalities in the army and Moscow Region as you.
                1. allaykbar
                  allaykbar 9 January 2018 15: 33
                  +7
                  I’m honestly scared that we have such personalities in the army and Moscow Region as you.


                  Don’t be afraid Andrey. While you are afraid, the army protects your dream.

                  And while you were afraid, the army has been fighting 91 times since the age of 4.

                  But most importantly, do not be afraid. Guys for you solve your (and your family's) security issues.

                  Shoigu has already been in the army for several years - and you are ZERO days. Because in the army they will immediately start kicking you and you know that. Therefore, you did everything so as not to join the army.

                  You won’t paint smiles there) In the men's team, everything is immediately on the case.

                  And anyone who has even served a year, even served in a hospital or in the kitchen or at a pig farm - will be proud of the fact that he served in the army and wore tarpaulin boots.

                  You don’t understand this, Andrey.
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 9 January 2018 15: 42
                    0
                    laughing You are a funny character. Yes, and I'm not afraid, I solved all my problems and the problems of my family and I solve it myself and I advise you without reference to the army. And it resembles the gop-stopniks of the 90s, which could threaten Caudla. That is, you can steer Shoigu MO and I am forbidden to write in VO? wink This is what sophisticated thinking you must have.
                    By the way Turbris, I immediately realized that you have access to the MO database. Just hunting to advise the MO more than chtol delicately and not so clumsily conducts military operations.
                    1. allaykbar
                      allaykbar 9 January 2018 15: 43
                      +4
                      advise your wife how to cook cabbage soup.

                      And it reminds gop-stopnik 90s


                      you certainly wouldn’t have passed me in the gateway wink

                      That is, you can steer Shoigu MO and I am forbidden to write in VO?


                      writer, you write of course. But you heard my opinion about yourself and will hear more than once

                      PS I'm not familiar with Turbris - but apparently a good person. And I think he, unlike you, served. Because we, those who wore epaulettes, like you, smell a mile away. I think he also told you everything he thinks about you.

                      Yes, and I'm not afraid, I solved all my problems and the problems of my family and I solve it myself and I advise you without reference to the army.


                      I'm afraid I’ll be banned if I sign you for this paragraph. Go in peace, Andreika
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 9 January 2018 15: 55
                        0
                        smile This is really a clinic. Yes, your opinion about me as well as mine about you, well, you understand wink What makes you stand out in the gateway by the presence of a knife, brass knuckles? wink But Turbris, you know what kind of person he will not tell, but self-education will not hurt him, however, like you. People like you just wear epaulettes, and this is something else than they love their homeland.
                  2. Strategy
                    Strategy 13 January 2018 13: 36
                    0
                    Shoigu’s army - 0 days: the Ministry of Defense is not a (A) rmiya (Armed Forces), but only the ministry ... By the way, after 1991, the “men” did not solve the security issues of anyone's family, with the exception of “families” Yeltsin and their successors, who created this very danger to real ordinary Russian families.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 9 January 2018 22: 01
        +3
        "Regarding the action / inaction of the DRG, I will not say anything, not a specialist" ...
        "naturally..."
        Naturally? Do you have a VUS of a specialist for the use of special intelligence units? Express your point of view - was there a DRG or not? With arguments, if possible.
  11. Lexus
    Lexus 9 January 2018 10: 12
    +4
    It is clear that today people simply need "victory".

    Modern media is the reincarnation of the "Potemkin villages."
  12. ando_bor
    ando_bor 9 January 2018 10: 14
    +6
    Russia is at war, undergoing attacks on all fronts, the same information - any whining on this topic is not appropriate.
    1. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 9 January 2018 11: 17
      +3
      Quote: ando_bor
      Russia is at war, is attacked on all fronts, the same information
      Strange, but why is this our sovereign not aware of this? They were not informed about the war? Or do they, together with Western degenerates, fight against the peoples of Russia and the outskirts?
  13. flicker
    flicker 9 January 2018 10: 20
    12
    More and more empty words and less desire to believe in them.

    A wonderful phrase, that's exactly what I want to characterize the epistolary attempts of the authors.
    Our MO, in my opinion, gives the most complete coverage of events in Syria.
    I understand that the authors work on the babosy, but what about the need for talent?
    maybe enough "ichtamnet"?

    And who says "ichtamnet"? They took attributed MO their own vyser, and began to hysteria about this. When there is nothing to cling to, then you need to come up with it, throw it in, and then cast out about it.
    But how real is the picture of the "broken ridge" and the "rout" of terrorists - that is the question today.

    The answer to the authors of the question: at the expense of a broken ridge - is real, no one spoke about the defeat of the terrorists, the authors of Staver and Skomorokhov own vyser.
    Do we just need such a victory? From the finger?

    Do the authors really understand nothing or just mow down under the sick? fool
    Once again for the authors:
    We can’t fight terrorists on the territory of Syria, this is the internal affair of the Syrians.
    Our goal was to defeat ISIS. ISIS is not just dependent terrorists - it is a well-designed and organized international PROJECTby which they intended reformat world orderSo, this project was defeated - and the terrorists will still run, jump set fire, and so on.
    But PROJECT - ISIS is gone (there will probably be another - but this takes time, the arsonists do not have it). In fact, Trump has already recognized this.

    Все.
    1. Strategy
      Strategy 13 January 2018 13: 39
      0
      "Our" goal (the goal of "our" oil oligarchs) in Syria was to take control of oil fields in order to obtain primarily personal gain. For that, PMCs were put in there with the support of the videoconferencing.
      1. flicker
        flicker 14 January 2018 14: 08
        +2
        Too, even prohibitively, a simplified point of view.
        1. Strategy
          Strategy 14 January 2018 20: 44
          0
          So prohibitive or simplistic?
          1. flicker
            flicker 14 January 2018 21: 00
            +2
            What is surprising? "Simplification" is given only by the vector attenuation of any characteristic from something given. In addition to direction, a vector also has quantitative measurements that tend to some limit.
            “Beyond the Boundary” is of course a turn of speech. indicating an unthinkable weakening or increase ... all that.
  14. Loess
    Loess 9 January 2018 10: 36
    +9
    I read this "work" and came to a strange conclusion ... It is necessary to change the analysts' website, otherwise these are some kind of phony. Not their first article is published in the analytics section with the level of analytics in the article at the zero level. And this article is just another idle fiction authors.
  15. Prometey
    Prometey 9 January 2018 10: 45
    +1
    Losing planes on the ground during shelling ... Well, what can we say - our army is far from perfect.
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 9 January 2018 19: 07
      +1
      Even in Gorbachev’s times, I don’t remember exactly a year, the Semipalatinsk regiment was transferred to the Omsk airfield, at the time of the Americans’ arrival at the training ground. In Omsk, an aerodrome fire occurred at a rocket storage depot. Then they scattered for three days in all directions. There were no victims, and some were beaten by planes, and some collided at taxiing. There was a terrible mess.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 9 January 2018 22: 11
        +4
        In pre-Gorbachev times, it was necessary to protect both the bomb depot and the PPR. No fires, can you imagine? Maybe it’s not the army, but those who command it and those who set tasks for them? No, some persons tried to merge alcohol on guard, but it was condemned. In general, under what the army is imprisoned, so it serves.
  16. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 9 January 2018 10: 46
    +5
    What did the author want to say with this article? There are a lot of questions and there are no answers, so we can or we can ...... MO will not say anything, since they have already taken such a position, there is reason for that. Let’s draw conclusions, grit our teeth and then we’ll go .... the dead guys are very sorry, and we’ll fix the iron ....
  17. shura7782
    shura7782 9 January 2018 10: 46
    11
    The article is devastating. Criticism is enough. Only completely close the airfield from shelling this task from a number of impossible. It is very strange that so far no one of our boards has been hit by a stinger. Do you (the author) consider this to be our merit? No, my dear, this is a defect of the bearded, which will soon be fixed. Around the airfield is a hill that allows you to visually observe its activity. Bagram was heavily guarded, and shelling was our usual routine. Before the start of flights, the intelligence chief reported that a camel caravan with nurses had come to the area, wait for the shelling. And so every 2-5 days. There were no drones, so we would have gotten really bad. Our squadron during the ten years of the war lost eleven aircraft. Of these, half on the ground. What to do? There is only one thing left - to skillfully fight, and not to skillfully scribble the clave.
  18. 1536
    1536 9 January 2018 11: 03
    +6
    Everything is logical. Now in our society, some people really want to transfer the war in Syria to "Afghanistan 2.0". And then start shouting that participation in this war is fatal for Russia in all respects. "We leave, leaving everything!"
    Nobody says, "informants" from the Moscow Region are used to hiding everything from Soviet times. In the end, many of our citizens learned about how they howl in Afghanistan only from the words of some of our writers, i.e. from fiction.
    On the other hand, one gets the impression that some of our citizens and the media instead of supporting our troops in Syria at a difficult time, condemning all manifestations of terrorism, pour salt on wounds and consider "how much the affected planes cost." Yes, they cost a lot ... Donbassians, Transnistrians, Russian-speaking residents of the Baltic states, ask the same Afghans how much it costs!
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 January 2018 11: 08
    +7
    The authors want too much (although of course, who does not want to know the true truth). And that they were told with details, and even better shown confirming their story. And in war, no one is safe from troubles, especially if the enemy is well prepared. It's a shame that in addition to the losses suffered and the damage inflicted, the MO lost an information attack, and lost by its own stupidity.
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  21. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 9 January 2018 11: 24
    0
    The author should have been on duty at Zhukovsky airport, and preferably at night - then the numbers (the number of wounded and killed in Syria) of our losses would have been more objective !? I wanted to remind you of a similar attack on the SAA airfield of the Chechen DRG, but I suppose - you already all made an analogy (an algorithm of actions) !? Good luck everyone!
  22. shuravi
    shuravi 9 January 2018 11: 25
    +7
    Sorry, but it’s not the business of MO to engage in propaganda. In addition, with what joy is it to provide open access to information that is at least chipboard?
    As for tears about the losses, both real and alleged, then such a military craft. And whoever chooses him knows what he is doing.
    1. allaykbar
      allaykbar 9 January 2018 12: 47
      +2
      those who wore epaulets, he understands these common truths.

      Thank you for your service in Afghanistan! Shuravi

      PS I am glad to see competent people in the VO.
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 9 January 2018 19: 55
        +5
        Come on, Afghanistan is the best years of service and life. Chechnya, the attitude is somewhat more complicated.
        Our airdrome in Fayzabad:





    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 9 January 2018 22: 21
      +3
      "but it’s not the business of the MO
      I can’t believe that in 40 OA there was no special propaganda department, for example. The army has always been engaged in propaganda. Since the days of Danians, bringing gifts, if not earlier.
  23. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 9 January 2018 11: 32
    +2
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation often holds back such episodes.
    Unfortunately, this casts doubt on even reliable information.

    In 2016, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation also disavowed the message about the shelling of the airfield near Palmyra, when four helicopters of the Mi-24 / Mi-35 type were destroyed by rocket fire.
    Despite the fact that the photos appeared very quickly.


    Now there is no photo.
    While it seems that the mortar attack was still chaotic, not aimed, perhaps the planes did not receive direct hits.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 9 January 2018 11: 44
      0
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      While it seems that the mortar attack was still chaotic, not aimed, perhaps the planes did not receive direct hits.

      Unclear.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 9 January 2018 22: 23
      +3
      With mortar fire, direct hits are usually not important. The main thing is fragmentation damage.
  24. Speedy
    Speedy 9 January 2018 11: 38
    +1
    What are 122mm mines? Everything is clear in short ..
  25. Des10
    Des10 9 January 2018 11: 58
    +2
    "Alas, we do not owe anything. But, oddly enough, we would like to know the truth."
    good It’s not very convenient either - you should write about the “truth”, because until a certain moment you yourself were silent about the situation in LDNR (until - surrenders - the command to “debunk” didn’t come --- well, or you’re completely dark use) - with all due respect to the work done.
    You are either drunk or paid. If at the same time - you +.
  26. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 9 January 2018 12: 09
    +7
    You would have to go into fiction ... or scouts ... or both at once ...
    This smiled especially:
    "... For a guaranteed successful shelling you need 30-40 shots.
    - Either the distance should be reduced to 2-3 kilometers. A better way to a kilometer.
    - The shelling should be carried out in a short time. Up to 3-5 minutes. And it’s better generally 1-2 minutes. For this, a pair of 82-mm mortars installed in the car body is enough. And skillful calculations.
    Cars drove up to pre-selected positions. Shoot out. Mortars dismantled in a hid in the back. And parted in different directions ... "
    A masterpiece! That's where the strategists are now!
    Well, as in almost every article of these venerable authors, there is a smooth connection with events in Ukraine, I would be surprised if it were not:
    “... they mewed in the style of the famous Ukrainian Internet group“ Shadows ”, which destroys everything in the Donbass, - this is ridiculous. But if in fact?
    Ukrainians entered the ranks of the militants and infected the video equipment with a "virus of guides"? ... "
  27. raw174
    raw174 9 January 2018 12: 25
    +2
    True or not, how much is destroyed is a thing of the past, the main thing is that the conclusions are made correctly. It is necessary to ensure the security of the base, increase the contingent, security checkpoints at the approaches of 15-20 km. from the base, introduce TCO, involve local loyal residents from the Assad military ... If the road passes nearby, then we need permanent equipped posts on it ... Are there probably also our headquarters guarding the three-shift post around the clock, according to the USSR charter?
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 9 January 2018 22: 54
      +6
      For a long time I’ve somehow come to the air regiment: it’s useful for you to check the service of the troops, and I need to train my own. We will come in quietly (conditionally), mark the planes with chalk and leave, and in the morning we will see what happened. How is the idea? He is a great idea! So let's do it!
      As a result, they increased the guard, put patrols, transferred everyone to the barracks, sniffed at everyone who was approaching not only the checkpoint, but also to the fence - to pee). All hangars and "rosettes" were spotlighted.
      And in the morning I come to him - let's go, see? He - go you! I already know.
      He who wants will succeed. Who seeks will always find laughing drinks
      On the other hand, they walked past the headquarters of the infantry regiment at night. We should pass by, on our own business, but how not to be noted? Damn, everything was set there so that they barely left!
      So everything has been invented, worked out and mastered for a long time. Another thing is that commanders, like people, are all different.
      You can still speculate about the experience of security in the Strategic Missile Forces, where it is - the sea! But who would risk it? laughing
      I repeat - we do not have experience. And TSO, etc. But if this happens, paraphrasing the classic, it suits someone.
  28. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 9 January 2018 14: 07
    +2
    And I, with you, Roman, do not agree. The problem of shelling emerged from de-escalation zones, which at a certain stage were extremely beneficial in order to untie the hands of the Syrian army. However, the presence of a "mad quarter" in Damascus itself is like a game with a grenade without checks. How can one be engaged in leadership when the militants are located several kilometers from the main objects of Syria?

    The question regarding the base commander you posed perfectly correctly. I completely agree - to command the unit for the Arctic Circle!

    On the other hand, tracking mobile mortars of carts is not so easy, especially if there is such a large “zone” as the “Idlib” one at hand. I’m even ready to agree that "mortar shelling" is "bullshit for the press."

    However, to acknowledge the failure of the defense of an entire base is the same as putting an end to the entire Syrian operation. How can one demonstrate successes so easily predicted when defending a home base? Why do we need this truth for you? Will there be any good from her publicly? Specialists will draw conclusions - "thunder struck." And for all of us it is easier if it is "mortars on carts." And not the epic failure of MO, who rested on his laurels.

    Thanks to our "partners" - they point out our mistakes and correctly click on the nose so that they do not "star".
  29. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 9 January 2018 14: 18
    +1
    the protection of such a large base, where everything is openly and well shot really difficult thing, and punctures can be ... but to shut up is also worthless
  30. iouris
    iouris 9 January 2018 15: 26
    +2
    Before discussing and participating in the discussion, you must have confirmation of the fact. So far, either everything is incomprehensible or nothing is clear. If the fact took place, then, most likely, the special forces of the USA and (or) Great Britain worked. If you leave everything as it is (not succumb to provocations or not be able to respond adequately), then it will be worse and you will have to reel fishing rods.
  31. Grumant
    Grumant 9 January 2018 16: 43
    +6
    Correctly! Let's only tell the TRUTH !!!! EVERYTHING AND ALWAYS !!! And, may prosperity come.
    I suggest ... Let everyone in the morning go out into the yard and tell him what happened in his family just before. In, the booth will be, sorry grannies will be upset. But accurate first-hand information.
    Forgot to forget how to think ?!
    1. perm23
      perm23 12 January 2018 13: 26
      0
      Yes, then surely the circus will be.
  32. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 9 January 2018 17: 51
    +2
    It is clear that ISIS .... destroyed. But the militants will wage a guerrilla war.
    I completely agree with the authors. January 4, too, expressed the opinion of the beginning of the guerrilla war in Syria. Got some critical comments.
    I think there was still the traditional problem of ensuring minimum combat efficiency on the night of 31.12/01.01 - XNUMX/XNUMX and the irresponsibility of the base command.
  33. Savignon
    Savignon 9 January 2018 17: 59
    +1
    While I read it, I didn’t understand anything. To the media and journalism from the nervous newspaper in general, in life, who cares who did what and where and when it was?
    Or is it already a professional habit to search for fried news?
    This is all boring and uninteresting. The war in Afghanistan and in Syria, when written in the female language of mass media and tele-grinders, there is nothing to watch there, a solid female look at all the wars in the world.
  34. turbris
    turbris 9 January 2018 18: 09
    +7
    Well, all our authors want to immediately analyze and evaluate, having complete information about what happened. And who will give it to you? This information is closed and will not be disclosed in the near future, is it really not clear? Or didn’t they serve in the army? There are fighting going on in Syria, therefore, in order not to give information to the barmaley, no one will say anything. And to do some sort of analysis according to human rights defenders is funny and not professional. All issues arising in this situation will be resolved by the command of the air forces, and not by us on the ZVO website, so I want to reassure all sorts of “advisers” and “solvers” - no need to raise dust without owning information. Bloggers are especially touched by those who with enviable persistence want to prove that huge losses were suffered and through this to go out to the polls against Putin, do not bother, otherwise the pants may crack from zeal.
    1. Uralean
      Uralean 9 January 2018 22: 28
      +3
      I completely agree .. Only couch analysts from military affairs can discuss this topic, from throwing KOMERSANT .. Well, like Yesin, the chief editor of Komersant .. He knows everything and understands everything.
  35. Uralean
    Uralean 9 January 2018 22: 26
    +4
    Well, here’s another one .. I’ve got a whole article about MO, and how everyone lies, and how everything is wrong, and around .. And if you think about what he wrote here, then we see that NOTHING !! The article is a dummy, designed for the emotional feelings of readers ... There are lots of such literate bundles lying under the fence .. And what is the main thing in this article? .. After all, not a single fact or argument is given ... All the author lays out his FOUNDATIONS, ASSUMPTIONS (read carefully his posts, that’s what he writes in his main thread - “... That’s how the New Year’s operation could have been carried out. Cars drove up to pre-selected positions. They fired. Mortars were dismantled into a hid in the back. And they left in different directions ..." ) and on this fabrication, assumption he wrote so much that wow .. And then they will pick up who wants to suck this fake from all over ... Well, that's their business. if they don’t do anything, let them suck ... Min. defense of the Russian Federation, quite officially on its website stated that it is necessary to say ... Who does not believe, the flag in their hands .. Hai practice here in eloquence, and the development of speculation and rumors ..)))))
  36. Doliva63
    Doliva63 9 January 2018 23: 29
    +3
    [quote = allaykbar] [quote] I’m honestly scared that we have personalities like you in the army and Moscow Region. [/ quote]

    Don’t be afraid Andrey. While you are afraid, the army protects your dream.

    And while you were afraid, the army has been fighting 91 times since the age of 4.

    But most importantly, do not be afraid. Guys for you solve your (and your family's) security issues.

    Shoigu has already been in the army for several years - and you are ZERO days. Because in the army they will immediately start kicking you and you know that. Therefore, you did everything so as not to join the army.

    You won’t paint smiles there) In the men's team, everything is immediately on the case.

    And anyone who has even served a year, even served in a hospital or in the kitchen or at a pig farm - will be proud of the fact that he served in the army and wore tarpaulin boots.

    "Because in the army they’ll start kicking you right away and you know that."
    I would have heard this about 30 years ago, I would have been surprised. And now, probably fine?
  37. dDYHA
    dDYHA 10 January 2018 03: 59
    +1
    Also in Kansk there is an airfield past which the road goes. I always pass by and swear. It’s clear that it’s expensive, but you have to take the road away from it. And on it MIG-31 are on duty. Air defense of Siberia ponimash. I'm not a spy right away or who else is there.
    1. turbris
      turbris 10 January 2018 16: 40
      0
      dDYHA - I served in this area in 1972 and in Kansk there was already an airfield on which the Su-15tm was based, so the location of the airfield is no secret, and the road will be simply blocked during the threatened period.
  38. NordUral
    NordUral 10 January 2018 09: 14
    0
    Lying thieves in power cannot have an honest ministry of defense. Due to boasting and lies, both our guys die, and the prestige of the country suffers.
    1. perm23
      perm23 12 January 2018 13: 23
      +1
      And that the country's prestige is expressed in the fact that immediately and everywhere screaming what happened. Stupidity, why write. You raise the prestige of your family as you tell everyone about quarrels with your wife
  39. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 10 January 2018 11: 38
    +1
    The desire (everlasting) for window dressing, which is also very aggravated in connection with the elective company, plus the general mode (aggravated to paranoid craving) dump all the verified and unconfirmed race information onto the Internet - will not lead to good.
    1. perm23
      perm23 12 January 2018 13: 24
      +1
      Here you are right namesake. All that is acceptable to any rumors and the Internet. without verification. indiscriminately. Any fried fact.
  40. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 10 January 2018 18: 25
    0
    They wanted to google laziness by themselves .. Well, bend down .. Launched drones 50 km from the base and carried homemade mines. They stood on them barometric sensors, and in mines fuses of foreign manufacture. laughing tongue wassat
  41. Radikal
    Radikal 10 January 2018 20: 36
    0
    Quote: alavrin
    Here you just need to enable the logic. It is clear that with short-term shelling, including mortar, seven aircraft are difficult to destroy, but if the mines really got into the warehouse and it detonated, then the consequences could be much more serious.
    For me, it is possible that 7 aircraft are out of order, but it is unlikely that they are destroyed. But the dead - you will not return ....
    This is a serious mistake, but it can and should be fixed. Well, organizational conclusions, of course.

    Well, why? If the equipment is standing there tightly, wing to wing, surely everyone is tucked in, with suspended weapons, and a few min-missiles are enough to blaze and detonate - “matchbox effect”! sad
  42. soldner
    soldner 10 January 2018 20: 51
    +2
    Whoever was involved in the shelling, we must admit the presence of traditional Russian sloppiness and weakening discipline after the celebrations, withdrawals, awards and other fanfares.
  43. Ramovic nedzad
    Ramovic nedzad 10 January 2018 23: 37
    0
    AMERIKAN BASE DONT ATTACKED, WEIRD
  44. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 11 January 2018 04: 46
    0



    And the casket just opened! Special operation of mattress covers and ISIS ...
  45. EvilLion
    EvilLion 11 January 2018 09: 33
    0
    I wonder how the author imagines the mining of aircraft, next to which is always full of people? How does the author imagine the defeat of an airplane? Let me remind you that the plane is a huge fuel barrel, a successful hit of one fragment can immediately tear down the squadron, on the other hand, the images shown of the damaged Su-24 do not produce the impression of anything more than a large one, but still only a nuisance. Driving new cars did not seem to be there, but they were noticed right away. There is no evidence of a major fire. No, seriously, how do you imagine the destruction of the ammunition depot ?? Something tells me that the warehouses there are very far from parking lots and inhabited premises, ammunition is transported in strictly limited quantities to planes. Do not think that gunsmiths and generally military.

    Where can barmaley have pictures? They did not bomb from drones and did not see the results of the raid at all. That satellite images would be more interesting, for several hours you can’t remove everything with serious losses, but this is also bad.
  46. Nicyar
    Nicyar 11 January 2018 16: 02
    +1
    Hindsight you are all strong ... Stop driving the blizzard on the military in Syria. There is a war ... an emergency happened, it happens ... Magazines raised a howl in order to make a sensation and feed on this topic. It is important not WHAT happens, but HOW they get out of the situation and what conclusions they draw. IT IS A VALUABLE BATTLE EXPERIENCE and you can’t do without mistakes ... YOU ARE ALL NOBODY, with your own maybe even the right words, in comparison with those who gain this combat experience there.
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  48. perm23
    perm23 12 January 2018 13: 20
    0
    the author is sorry but nonsense. writes. that immediately and with might and main it is necessary to blow. that yes there are losses. that they missed, and so on. Excuse this army. this is war. That no one in the world trumpets their losses. .And right away, tell the whole truth. Why. Who needs this truth. Those who need to know and let them take action. and why should everyone else ..
  49. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 13 January 2018 02: 27
    0
    Quote: Vard
    the planes are in a bunch ... openly

    after the Americans shot the Syrian airfield, I really wanted to believe that our generals would finally remember where the base is — this is not Moscow Region, the enemy is nearby! But the main thing is clear for the Shoigu chicks - a beautiful picture for journalists.
    Again in the underpants they jumped out of the windows? Again, Stalin did not foresee ...
  50. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 13 January 2018 02: 33
    0
    Quote: Nicyar
    Stop driving the blizzard on the military in Syria

    do not distort! No one condemns ordinary pilots, technicians and other base personnel. The base defense organization did not work - and this is a matter of leadership. Including those sitting in Moscow in the ministry.