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Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy decided on the main aircraft

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The Su-30SM heavy fighter will become the main marine aircraft aviation Russian Navy. It will receive parts of the coastal base. This was stated by the chief of naval aviation, Major General Igor Kozhin. In 2017, naval aviation received six aircraft of this type.


In the future, we will practically change the entire fleet of operational-tactical aviation on the Su-30CM - it will become our base aircraft
- said Kozhin.

Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy decided on the main aircraft


Also in 2018, the naval aviation of the Navy will continue to work on the modernization of its fleet of aircraft with significant service life.

This concerns the modernization of the Il-38 aircraft in the Il-38H "Novella" variant and the updating of the Ka-27 helicopter fleet on the Ka-27М. In the near future, the Ka-27M will form the basis of anti-submarine and target designation forces for ship groupings.
- clarified the head of the naval aviation of the Russian Navy.

Note that earlier, the production director of the Irkutsk aircraft factory (Irkut Corporation) Sergey Yamanov said that before the end of 2018, 55 aircraft would be produced and delivered at the Irkutsk aircraft factory. The total number of 116 will be Su-30CM - 88 for VKS and 28 for naval aviation.

Recall that the double Su-30CM fighter has super-maneuverability, is equipped with a radar with a phased antenna array, thrust vector-controlled engines and front horizontal tail. The fighter is capable of applying modern and advanced high-precision air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons. More detailed tactical and technical characteristics of these machines are still classified.
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  1. pjastolov
    pjastolov 5 January 2018 12: 38
    +5
    Recall that a two-seat fighter Su-30SM has
    one in battle, the other tracks and attacks good good good competently
    1. hrych
      hrych 5 January 2018 12: 43
      +8
      Quote: pjastolov
      one in battle, the other tracks and attacks

      He also has the strength to carry promising anti-ship missiles, including Onyx (by the example of Bramos, it can be seen), a heavy fighter can do this.
      1. pjastolov
        pjastolov 5 January 2018 12: 47
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        He also has the strength to carry promising anti-ship missiles

        about which I spoke - one works with aviation, and the other with pelvis
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 January 2018 12: 50
          +1
          Su30SM is used as a training for training pilots Su35
          1. pjastolov
            pjastolov 5 January 2018 12: 52
            +8
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            Su30SM is used as a training for training pilots Su35

            The Su-30SM heavy fighter will become the main aircraft of the naval aviation of the Russian Navy.
            Are there all the cadets? fool
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 January 2018 13: 31
              +1
              SU 35 single. Therefore, the Su-30СМ is needed for training the flight crew, although it is quite a combat unit, but still inferior to the Su-35С in maneuverability and power of radar
              1. NN52
                NN52 5 January 2018 14: 25
                10
                Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

                Just at the time, our Moscow Region refused the double version 35, although they were offered to them ...
                And now, you won’t believe .. In order to transfer from 35 to 30 cm, the pilot needs to retrain in Lipetsk again, something like that ...
                1. Rushnairfors
                  Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 14: 41
                  +4
                  So for sure, Lipetsk is our everything !!! HH52 - Merry Christmas, a long time since you were gone.
                  1. NN52
                    NN52 5 January 2018 15: 06
                    +9
                    Rushnairfors

                    Happy New Year and Merry Christmas!
                    The site was browsing, commenting on something ..
                    Just climb into topics where you don’t know something, I don’t like ...
                    Now everyone has a fashionable yoke on the site, like the Mongolian to discuss ...
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 5 January 2018 14: 49
            +5
            Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Su30SM is used as a training for training pilots Su35

            No respected ... The SU-30 appeared and was adopted earlier than the SU-35, so it will remain the main heavy IFI for another 5 years, since the 30s are dumb more than the SU-35. And after the main burden before bringing to mind the SU-57, it will be the 35th, the flyers of which afterwards will gradually be transplanted to the SU-57.
            1. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 5 January 2018 15: 03
              +1
              Explain - the 35th seems to be longer range and more powerful radar? Why Su-30? Bramos / Onyx seems to be able to carry both ...
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 5 January 2018 15: 09
                +3
                Most likely Su30 mastered better, more plaque, more reliable maintenance. Yes, and stupidly more quantity.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 5 January 2018 16: 46
                  +5
                  See the dates of adoption. Su-30 - 2012, Su-35 - 2017 (autumn). Moreover, 35 entered the VKS when it was not adopted for service. Obviously, the customer was expecting more than the Su-30 could give. And surely one of these wishes of avionics (that Irbis for example), the other engines (AL-31FP against AL-41F1). hi
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 5 January 2018 15: 10
                +6
                Quote: Vlad.by
                Explain - the 35th seems to be longer range and more powerful radar? Why Su-30? Bramos / Onyx seems to be able to carry both ...

                I explained ... how many boards do we have SU-30 at the VKS at the moment? Correctly-In formation at the beginning of November 2016 there are: Su-30M2 - 20, Su-30SM - 71, and with export about 600 boards. That is assembly technology has been worked out, the price has been adapted, avionics is being modernized ... And how many SU-35 do we have? 52 are correct, and until the 20th year there will be about a hundred of them. Su-30 different modifications stupidly more so far and they are cheaper.
                1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                  Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 January 2018 15: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And how many SU-35 do we have? Right-52 boards

                  You have old data.
                  In the 2017 year, Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarina (KnAAZ) Sukhoi Company JSC handed over ten Su-35С fighters to the Russian Aerospace Forces. They were built by KnAAZ within the framework of the Russian Ministry of Defense signed in December 2015 with Sukhoi Company JSC for a five-year contract for the supply of 50 Su-35С fighters.

                  The first ten Su-35С aircraft (with red side numbers from "50" to "59") under this contract were built by KnAAZ in the 2016 year and entered for the rearmament of the 159 Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 105 Mixed Aviation Division of the 6 Leningrad The Red Banner Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Western Military District, stationed at the Besovets airfield in Karelia, with Su-27 and Su-27СМ fighters.

                  Ten Su-35С aircraft delivered by KnAAZ in the 2017 year also entered the 159-th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment. The first six aircraft with red tail numbers "61", "62", "63", "64", "67" and "68" arrived in 2017 in Besovets on 31 on October. Four more Su-35С aircraft with red tail numbers "21", "22", "23" and "24" arrived there on 29 on November 2017 of the year.

                  Earlier, Sukhoi successfully implemented the first 2009 contract of the year for the supply to the Russian Ministry of Defense of 48 Su-35С fighters. All 48 airplanes built by KnAAZ were delivered to the VKS from the end of 2012 to the beginning of 2016 of the year. Thus, the total number of Su-35С received by the Ministry of Defense of Russia, according to the results of the 2017 year, amounted to 68 aircraft.
            2. NN52
              NN52 5 January 2018 15: 11
              11
              NEXUS

              Judging by how many 30 have released and are releasing, it will be the main one for 10-15 years ...
              Until the resource runs out ....
              And 35 in a pair to him ..
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 5 January 2018 15: 48
                +3
                Quote: NN52
                Judging by how many 30 have released and are releasing, it will be the main one for 10-15 years ...

                No, I don’t think ... taking into account the fact that our line of heavy IFIs is not very frail, I think it will be gradually cut. Do not forget about the imminent adoption of MIG-35, which is the average MFI.
                Within 5-8 years, the SU-30, I think they will give the fleet, and the SU-35 will gradually become the main, say, a transitional link to the SU-57. That is, flyers from the SU-35 will gradually change to the 57th. At the same time, the SU-30, taking into account modernization, will most likely be quietly redirected purely for export. In essence, that the SU-30, that the SU-35, although the cars are notable, they are transitional to the SU-57. I believe that after 15 years we will have a massive (relatively) SU-35 and SU-57, as a surgeon’s tool in much smaller quantities than the 35th. And the niche of the lighter MFIs will be occupied by the MIG-35, which is also a transition vehicle to the generation 5 medium fighter.
                1. NKT
                  NKT 5 January 2018 16: 54
                  +1
                  NEXUS, and you do not know what our MO decided with the attack aircraft? To be su-39 or not? Will they be developing a new one, will they finish the Su-39, or will they abandon the look of an “attack aircraft” at all?
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 5 January 2018 17: 12
                    +4
                    Quote: NKT
                    NEXUS, and you do not know what our MO decided with the attack aircraft? To be su-39 or not? Will they be developing a new one, will they finish the Su-39, or will they abandon the look of an “attack aircraft” at all?

                    There are three versions ... the first, on the basis of the SU-34, to develop an attack aircraft. But this is expensive, and therefore unlikely. Second, on the SU-25 platform, the SU-39 is bungled. But here is the question of the machine’s modernization potential. And the third option, the most probable one, is the development of a new attack aircraft from scratch ... he was already nicknamed Hornet.
                    Let's see what they decide. Our attack aircraft fleet is rapidly aging, and this is about 200 aircraft.
                2. MOSKVITYANIN
                  MOSKVITYANIN 5 January 2018 16: 59
                  +1
                  NEXUS flyers with SU-35 will gradually change to 57.

                  And the Americans by then will fly on X-class fighters laughing

                  I believe that through 15 we will continue to have a massive (relatively) SU-35 and SU-57, as a surgeon’s tool in much smaller quantities than the 35. And the MIG-35, which is also a transition vehicle to the average fighter of the 5 generation, will occupy the niche of lighter MFIs.

                  Blessed is he who believes .... laughing
                  It’s better to tell us when the Su-24 / -34 and Tu-22М3 Navy Aviation will be returned ..
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 5 January 2018 17: 14
                    +6
                    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                    And the Americans by then will fly on X-class fighters

                    Get out of the way ... hello to the railgun, and the X-47 too ... wassat
                    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                    Blessed is he who believes ....

                    Your SOI is a direct religion at all times. lol
                    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                    It’s better to tell us when the Su-24 / -34 and Tu-22М3 Navy Aviation will be returned ..

                    But don’t worry about us, it’s better to watch the second Zwolvod, otherwise it will sink into the trough of 14 lards of your honestly looted ones. wassat
                    1. MOSKVITYANIN
                      MOSKVITYANIN 5 January 2018 17: 25
                      +2
                      NEXUS Uti ways ...

                      Tell your neighbor's wife (preferably with her husband) laughing
                      hello railgun

                      wash, come back in an hour and return to the topic ... fellow
                      Your SOI is a direct religion for all time

                      Again, not the topic, it’s a shame not to watch “Star Wars” from Lucas, and yes for the PRC, it also gradually becomes a religion, while we launch zinc with nails into space ...
                      And you don’t worry about us, it’s better to watch the second Zwolvoda, otherwise it will sink

                      I’m only glad to be, as I understand you are not an active receiver of new technologies ....
                      14 lards of your honestly looted.

                      One would be enough for me to never see your nickname ... lol
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 5 January 2018 17: 31
                        +8
                        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                        Tell your neighbor's wife (preferably with her husband)

                        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                        wash, come back in an hour and return to the topic ...

                        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                        One would be enough for me to never see your nickname ...

                        Today, the mating season of amphibians began, so that they started blowing bubbles? wassat One croaking and zero informativeness. fellowThe genius of swamp creativity. Medal to you, the wife of the Order. wassat
                      2. Vlad.by
                        Vlad.by 5 January 2018 20: 14
                        +1
                        Is this a family trait of all the provincials who cling to Moscow? Know, rudeness does not paint. And Russophobia in Russian, rather a bad taste (bad manners, maybe so more clearly).
                        By the way, when ours switch to the Su-50, your holes will still be patched on the F-15s. I give a tooth. Just do not remember the penguin - a scam should remain a mysterious scam. Otherwise, all meaning will be lost. Give Lockheed money to earn.
            3. bald
              bald 5 January 2018 16: 08
              +1
              Andrei, interesting shots, you probably saw, but many did not see. They require a different format for me, but they are correct. checked on their sites. Here is the link you can manage to open the tragedy on our aircraft carrier - a living pilot. But then there - the other almost blew it up - it’s impressive, it left at forty-five. https://youtu.be/5CIn3SLyZXc we were silent about this, but it was
  2. 210ox
    210ox 5 January 2018 12: 39
    +4
    The Navy knows better what plane they can see. I am interested in another question. Is it planned to replace the TU-22 with, say, SU34?
    1. hrych
      hrych 5 January 2018 12: 41
      +9
      Quote: 210ox
      Is it planned to replace TU-22 with, say, SU34?

      They are a different class of aircraft and Tu22M3 indispensable good
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 5 January 2018 12: 53
      14
      Quote: 210ox
      .I am interested in another question. Is it planned to replace the TU-22 with, say, SU34?

      Dima drinks hi Why change the TU-22 long-range aircraft to a front-line attack aircraft belay
      1. Puss in Boots
        Puss in Boots 5 January 2018 13: 08
        0
        in the news above all answers to all questions wink hi
    3. pvv113
      pvv113 5 January 2018 12: 55
      12
      Good afternoon, Dmitry! Tu-22 has long been withdrawn from service. And standing in service with the Tu-22M3 and Su-34 are aircraft of different classes. The Su-34 will replace the Su-24. But the Tu-22M3, a long-range bomber-rocket carrier, has no equivalent replacement for today
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 January 2018 12: 59
      +5
      Quote: 210ox
      I am interested in another question. Is it planned to replace the TU-22 with, say, SU34?

      It is easy, but only if the Russian Air Force and Navy refuse to solve the problems in the strategic (and in the future, operational) depth of the enemy, where the Tu-22M3 is superior in all respects to the Su-34.
      In the meantime, the Su-34s come to the troops, but to replace the Su-24. The theme of the T-60, which they planned to adopt by 2003, is unfortunately covered
    5. avt
      avt 5 January 2018 13: 07
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      s.TU-22 is it planned to replace let's say on SU34?

      Where? In Long-Range Aviation?
      Quote: vovanpain
      Why change the TU-22 long-range aircraft to a front-line attack aircraft

      wassat
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 5 January 2018 13: 11
        +4
        Quote: avt
        Quote: vovanpain
        Why change the TU-22 long-range aircraft to a front-line attack aircraft

        wassat

        Please forgive generously yes I'm not an aviator request
        1. avt
          avt 5 January 2018 14: 47
          +3
          Quote: vovanpain
          I'm not an aviator

          Come on! So much so that the attack aircraft from the bomber can not be distinguished ?? I would rather believe that they got caught in a hurry of an answer (he himself sculpted more than once laughing ) Well, as a matter of fact, they said everything correctly - Tu-22M3 seems to be like everything in Long-Range Aviation and changing them to Su-34 is generally possible only in a state of insanity. Well, either, “feed” there, or inflate the 34th to size 22M3bully
    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 January 2018 14: 52
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      The Navy knows better what plane they can see. I am interested in another question. Is it planned to replace the TU-22 with, say, SU34?

      And why is it a strategist to level off with an attack bomber? Tu-22 are going to upgrade to version TU-22M3M. Deeply and with all the passion. And I suspect that, on the way, and a new CD for him, the younger sister of the X-101, so to speak.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 5 January 2018 12: 41
    +1
    Knowing our bureaucrats, I’m sure that everyone, as always, will be replayed 100 times! am
  4. viktorch
    viktorch 5 January 2018 12: 41
    +3
    and where is the pack fa ????
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 5 January 2018 12: 50
      +1
      Are being built. Are you okay?
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 5 January 2018 13: 00
        +2
        Quote: viktorch
        and where is the pack fa ????


        Actually, FA is front-line aviation,
        and here we are talking about marine

    2. tchoni
      tchoni 5 January 2018 13: 07
      +3
      Quote: viktorch
      and where is the pack fa ????

      Then, all later! goals after the 25th ... maybe .... but maybe not. .
    3. poquello
      poquello 5 January 2018 13: 30
      +2
      Quote: viktorch
      and where is the pack fa ????

      Yes, anywhere, it’s not visible
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 5 January 2018 14: 28
        +3
        Quote: poquello
        Quote: viktorch
        and where is the pack fa ????

        Yes, anywhere, it’s not visible


        You will be specially informed, do not worry and do not worry

        They’ll give and shoot
        As without you, curious
  5. Dart
    Dart 5 January 2018 12: 47
    +2
    Interestingly. But the MIG-35 isn’t lighter, smaller (I suppose, as a result of this, the takeoff is shorter and the landing) is also in the two-seater variant, isn’t that what is needed for sea-based carriers?
    1. hrych
      hrych 5 January 2018 13: 06
      +7
      Quote: Dartys
      MIG-35 isn't it easier less

      It is easier and less, therefore inferior in combat load and limited in the range of weapons. This is not about a decked aircraft, but about naval aviation as a whole, although the Su-33 also copes with deck tasks. Mig-35 is a wonderful ... fighter, but he can’t carry existing and promising missiles wink
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 5 January 2018 19: 03
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        but carry existing and promising CDs he can't handle wink

        RCC (anti-ship missile), and not KR (cruise missile) ... yes
        1. hrych
          hrych 5 January 2018 19: 15
          0
          Quote: PSih2097
          RCC (anti-ship missile), and not KR (cruise missile) ...

          After applying Onyx to marmots, he became the Kyrgyz Republic from the RCC wassat expanded the circle of communication, so to speak drinks
  6. midshipman
    midshipman 5 January 2018 12: 55
    +7
    I congratulate Igor Sergeyevich on the development of work to strengthen the country's defense. I am also glad that in 2018 V.I. Baburov will have a lot of work to supply A-340 avionics to this beautiful aircraft. It’s a pity, Igor Sergeyevich, that we were rejected by the State Prize for the system for this beautiful aircraft. I have the honor.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 5 January 2018 15: 08
      +2
      Dear Michman,
      Do you need such details?
      So we’ll come to a discussion of block diagrams ...
  7. svp67
    svp67 5 January 2018 13: 12
    +2
    This concerns the modernization of the Il-38 aircraft in the Il-38H "Novella" variant and the updating of the Ka-27 helicopter fleet on the Ka-27М. In the near future, the Ka-27M will form the basis of anti-submarine and target designation forces for ship groupings.
    And why are there no Tu-22M3, Su-34s in the list or does the fleet really need no attack aircraft, and where are the Su-33s, did they plan to upgrade them the same way?
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 13: 49
      +2
      Tu22m3 has not been in the fleet since 2013, when MRA was abolished. And su34 I don’t know why they need, su30cm will be better than 34th, by the way, and Syria confirmed it.
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 January 2018 13: 54
        +2
        Quote: Rushnairfors
        Tu22m3 has not been in the fleet since 2013, when MRA was abolished.

        It’s bad, although the GS is more visible. But the fleet clearly lost the capabilities of the "long arm."
        Quote: Rushnairfors
        And su34 I don’t know why they need, su30cm will be better than 34th, by the way, and Syria confirmed it.

        It is not worth falling into euphoria from the “Syrian experience”, it is just the experience of a local war with the enemy, which is much inferior in equipment and weapons, which does not have a fleet, aviation or air defense system. But tomorrow, an opponent superior to us in strength can confront us and how will we beat him? Su-30, it is a compromise, as a fighter it is WORSE than Su-35, as a strike aircraft it is WORSE than Su-34.
        1. Rushnairfors
          Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 14: 52
          +4
          Well, it’s just as good as Su34, it was better to shoot with Su-34 better than precision, it was confirmed more than once in Syria, and the absence or presence of air defense does not affect it. Cast iron also threw no worse than Su34, its thrust-weight ratio is higher than that of Su34, its flight range and mass of combat load are the same. The only thing worse than Su34 is the lack of booking and the worst crew conditions for long flights. In all other characteristics, the su30cm is superior to the su34. And Su35s, by the way, despite being sharpened to solve the problems of gaining superiority in the air, in the same Syria it made a splash in the part of striking at ground targets with both guided weapons and ABSP, eclipsing the "specialized" ground on Su34 and the same su30cm.
          1. svp67
            svp67 5 January 2018 15: 27
            0
            Quote: Rushnairfors
            Well, it’s just as good as Su34, it was better than Su Su34 to use high-precision bullets, this has been confirmed more than once in Syria, and the absence or presence of air defense does not affect it.

            Well, of course ... Did you come up with this about the lack of air defense or who suggested it? It is also worth considering that the Su-34 has something to defend itself, while the Su-30, when loading and working on the ground, has nothing to do with it.
            Quote: Rushnairfors
            The only thing worse than Su34 is the lack of booking and the worst crew conditions for long flights.

            Do you think this is superfluous for naval pilots?
            1. Rushnairfors
              Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 17: 06
              +4
              Explain about air defense, however, maybe I put it wrong: I meant that in Syria the su34 was initially blundered due to imperfections in the aiming system, and their mistakes were tied only to equipment and not to counteract air defense. And the same su30cm in absolutely the same conditions proved to be more effective. That's what I meant. By the way, remember the first award in the Kremlin? There, the Hero of Russia received a colonel, test navigator? Just for fine-tuning Su34, well, the guy didn’t “show” what was stated, and this colonel “taught” this plane, so to speak, brought it to condition, having made a couple of heroic feats. Something like this. As for the long-haul flights: for sailors, only PLA flies long and far, so for a su30cm the task in the air for an hour and a half (well, God bless him) is easy to endure - we sit on that 22m3 for 5 hours, do not cough. So the argument in favor of su34 is weak, I personally think that in the same Chernyakhovsk it would be better to stand a regiment of su30 that work equally efficiently that on the ground (proved in practice by both training grounds and war) that across the sky than su34, with limited ability to perform tasks in plan for interception and WB. Regards.
          2. Sergei1982
            Sergei1982 5 January 2018 17: 10
            +1
            Quote: Rushnairfors
            The only thing worse than Su34 is the lack of booking and the worst crew conditions for long flights. In all other characteristics, the su30cm is superior to the su34

            The flight range is not the same http://www.sukhoi.org/news/smi/?id=685
            Range (without additional tanks) 4000 km; with additional tanks - 7000 k
            the Su-30 does not have a PTB, the Su-34 carries them, the load is not the same, dear Ancient said that they dragged 34 tons each at the GLITs, the BKO is again better on the Su-13 (there are already Tarantula and group defense SAPs there weigh), the presence of APU on the Su-34. And all the shock capabilities of the Su-34SM and Su-30S were shown as I understand it with the T35 PNK, otherwise it wasn’t.
            1. Rushnairfors
              Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 18: 03
              +1
              13 tons? I can’t imagine. Engines from su27, and su34 empty are much heavier than su27, plus keros and another 13 tons instead of the declared 8mi. 5 tons more. I would like to know the suspension option, is there that on each pylon fab1500 hung? I heard that he is with 8 tons, no, but here 13 !!! I have a kashnik test, I’ll try to write to him, he’s just in Akhtuba, su24 / 34 is his topic.
              1. Sergei1982
                Sergei1982 5 January 2018 18: 15
                0
                Quote: Rushnairfors
                13 tons?

                Perhaps it was the ultimate weight test. I can quote Bondarev
                The Su-24 front-line bomber has a bomb load of 7,5 tons with a combat radius of approximately 350 kilometers. The Su-34 carries 12 tons of various weapons, and its combat radius is more than a thousand kilometers, "Bondarev said on Thursday during a visit to the Sukhoi holding's Novosibirsk aircraft plant, where the Su-34 is being manufactured.

                RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20131226/986658004.
                html
                Quote: Rushnairfors
                there that on each pylon fab1500 hung?

                Well, if I’m not mistaken, there are some, such as the FAB-1500-2600TS weight of about 2600 kg.
                Quote: Rushnairfors
                I heard that he is with 8 tons, no, but here 13 !!!

                Well, I'm not saying that he will go into battle with such weight, you are a pilot and you understand that the actual combat load is 2-4 tons. It’s just that you can use the load reserve to hang the PTB, on the Su-34, if I’m not mistaken, these are 3 tanks of the PTB -3000 (volume 3050 l). According to the marine version, you probably heard that there was a Su-34 theme with the Sea Snake complex, well, you know that at that time the Tu-22M2 / 3 were mainly MRA, that is, the range in principle sailors also need it. For the rest, what I wrote above, as I understand it, you have no questions and do you agree?
                1. Rushnairfors
                  Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 19: 00
                  +2
                  I haven’t heard about the sea serpent, but what kind of complex is it? About the range - Chernyakhovsk and the Guards are the Baltic and the Black Sea, respectively, I think the su30 range for the eyes, and if the analog of the brahmos comes into service (or the brahmos itself) it will be good at all. I’m not in any case against the su34, I don’t think it’s not necessary, just in fact: 1.Su30cm on the ground works no worse than Su34. 2.In the Indian Su30, successful tests of a very formidable anti-ship missile have already passed, and probably something similar will soon be launched from our SMs, and this can already be considered a thunderstorm of the seas (agree?). 3. Su30cm is a magnificent fighter capable of competing on equal terms with almost all fighters of the world (with the possible exception of f22 and f35 in the Far Eastern Military District), that is, today it is more in demand in the same Kaliningrad region or in the Black Sea region than su34, as it can carry a full-fledged database in the framework of air defense of the region (region). Su34: 1. It is a conditional fighter, it is limitedly capable of intercepting and conducting the MVD. 2. No tests of Bramos-class missiles were conducted on it (and it is not known whether), and statements like “can” or “will be able to bear” —you understand, just statements. 3. As a result of combat use in Syria and fine-tuning of equipment, I became an excellent front-line bomber, this is good but not enough. I think, nevertheless, in the aggregate, the su30cm wins, but this is my opinion, I will gladly read your arguments. I apologize for switching to you, but if you don’t mind, I propose in the future without sentiment.
                  1. Sergei1982
                    Sergei1982 5 January 2018 19: 31
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                    Quote: Rushnairfors
                    I haven’t heard about the sea serpent, but what kind of complex is it?

                    The work was carried out in the 90s (called Su-32FN), now I don’t know, here's a brief on avionics
                    Radar in conjunction with sonar buoys, including passive directional sonar buoys operating in the range of sound and infrasound frequencies, active directional sonar buoys and means of generating a blast wave. In their characteristics, they surpass the well-known American buoys of the type SSQ-53B, SSQ-77A, SSQ-75.
                    Radar as a means of detecting small objects (for example, periscopes of submarines and snorkels), monitoring the operation of sonar buoys, as well as navigation. The radar performance is superior to that of the American AN / APS-137 radar. It should be noted that the equipment and related software included in the sonar system can be easily modified and adapted to work with sonar buoys used in the UK.
                    A magnetometer recording the distortion of the Earth’s magnetic field caused by the presence of a submarine. In its characteristics, it is similar to the well-known systems AN / ASQ-81 or AN / ASQ-502. The efficiency of detecting with its help magnetic anomalies and tracking a boat can be improved when used together with a sonar buoy system.
                    IR-television system with television (optical) and infrared data acquisition channels that can be used independently or jointly, taking into account weather conditions and time of day.
                    Electronic reconnaissance system (the main mode of operation is standby, and at the same time it can detect, identify and determine the direction of overseas targets to radio equipment).
                    Central computing control system.
                    Quote: Rushnairfors
                    About the range - Chernyakhovsk and the Guards are the Baltic and the Black Sea, respectively, I think the su30 range for the eyes, and if the analogue of the brahmos comes into service (or the brahmos itself) it will be generally good

                    So I don’t mind, I do not offer the Su-34 as a competitor to the Su-30SM, but since the Tu-22M3 was seized from the sailors, something needs to be replaced, let it be the Su-34 (preferably with the Snake), this is certainly not something but without fish and cancer fish.
                    Quote: Rushnairfors
                    2. No tests of Bramos-class missiles were conducted on it (and it is not known whether), and statements of the type “can” or “will be able to bear” - you understand, just statements

                    What about Onyx? I do not know if it is in the aviation version or not in service, but at one time they often talked about it.
                    Quote: Rushnairfors
                    I apologize for switching to you, but if you don’t mind, I propose in the future without sentiment.

                    good
                    1. Rushnairfors
                      Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 20: 51
                      +2
                      The conclusion was made by one- Serpent thing is serious !!!! Only here, unfortunately, it is unlikely to come in for replacement in the near future (and not in the near future either). Here, in fact, the matter is in the sailors. At one time, MRA reduced why? Reforms of Serdyukov suggested a reduction, everyone tried to reduce the most unnecessary as much as possible. And what is the most unnecessary for sailors? Aviation. And since the naval aviation of the same Northern and Pacific fleets was generally represented mainly by MRA and PLA (the SF still had OKIAP and Moncha for Su24), but without the PLA, the fleet oh how tight it was decided to chop off the MRA both as the most expensive and how the most unnecessary (long-range if that is on a safety net), it was then. Now the picture is no better, funding has been partially cut, there is a reduction in purchases of both ships and submarines, and against this background, sailors will not go for anything like MPA with the adoption of su34- to the detriment of the actual naval purchases. They are replenishing both Chernyakhovsk and the Guards rather poorly, you see 2-3 boards a year, according to the residual principle, and I think the General Staff presses on them: NATO is boring in the Baltic, Ukraine and Petruha are unpredictable at the World Cup, Crimea, Donbass and all that , so in the course of Su34 with the Andreev flag we will never see
                      1. Sergei1982
                        Sergei1982 6 January 2018 05: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Rushnairfors
                        The conclusion was made by one- Serpent thing is serious !!!! Only here, unfortunately, it is unlikely to come for a replacement in the near future (and not in the near future either)

                        I’m worried, they’d completely closed the topic crying
                        Quote: Rushnairfors
                        And what is the most unnecessary for sailors? Aviation

                        Well, judging by the new GPV, it seems that now NK 1/2 ranks have become unnecessary because we will rivet RTOs, corvettes, about aviation, on the contrary, were encouraging: the Su-30SM, the news flashed recently that the development of a new PLO aircraft is in progress. 30CM, IMHO there are rumors that Severomorsk is deployed to the regiment, in the Baltic Sea you yourself most likely deploy the Su-30CM also deployed to the regiment, well, Yeisk is still threatened with an air army by the Pacific Fleet (though so far there is only one name), in general I think that we will see an order for another 30-60 units in the interests of the Navy on the Su-30SM.
                      2. Sergei1982
                        Sergei1982 6 January 2018 17: 17
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                        Novella will be replaced by a new anti-submarine aircraft based on the Il-114-300
                        http://aviation21.ru/na-smenu-novelle-pridyot-nov
                        yj-protivolodochnyj-samolyot-na-baze-il-114-300 / and ibid.
                        The Russian Ministry of Defense plans to replace the reconnaissance aircraft Il-20 with a new machine, which will be created on the basis of the Il-114-300.
              2. Rushnairfors
                Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 18: 18
                +2
                By the way, if you leave theory and TTD aside, and turn to practice, can you give a link to a video where in the same Syria su34 or su30 or su35 work as a complete BC? I think not, I was at Khotilovo’s guests, they drove me to a DB showing su27, its “standard” suspension - 6 aura and pylons 8. Tu22m3 can carry 3 x22, but one is considered normal! 2 is an overload. Mig29 has 6 suspension points, and nominally 2hp27, 2hp73 (p60m) or 4hp73. Therefore, the declared TTD and limit tests are one thing, and the reality is something else. In view of the above, I believe that the normal combat load of the su30 and su34 is approximately the same. And be that as it may, the Su30cm is still a full fighter, and its quality is much more important than the ability of the Su34 to take an extra couple of tons of ammunition. And considering that the Indians already pulled Bramos on their MKI, I think this additionally played in favor of the choice of the su30cm by the sailors.
                1. Sergei1982
                  Sergei1982 5 January 2018 18: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Rushnairfors
                  By the way, if you leave theory and TTD aside, and turn to practice, can you give a link to a video where in the same Syria su34 or su30 or su35 work as a complete BC?

                  I answered above, the load margin can be used for PTB, the Su-30 is deprived of this opportunity.
                  Quote: Rushnairfors
                  In view of the above, I believe that the normal combat load of the su30 and su34 is approximately the same.


                  6 X-31, honestly I have not seen photos, video Su-30/35 with 6 X-31.
                  Quote: Rushnairfors
                  And be that as it may, the Su30cm is still a full fighter, and its quality is much more important than the ability of the Su34 to take an extra couple of tons of ammunition. And considering that the Indians already pulled Bramos on their MKI, I think this additionally played in favor of the choice of the su30cm by the sailors.

                  I don’t say anything about the choice of sailors, I started a conversation after your post that the Su-30/35 showed themselves better as drummers in Syria, as I understand there were problems with the Su-34 PNK, since the WTO, it’s quite possible that Platan’s fault, again but I indicated above that the Su-30/35 could fully demonstrate its shock capabilities only if they had T220 on them. What is the problem, Platan is bad, we hang / integrate the T220 on the Su-34 and forth.
                  1. Rushnairfors
                    Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 19: 52
                    +2
                    Well, as an option. Thanks for the link in PM. Interesting. I read it with pleasure.
  8. Odysseus
    Odysseus 5 January 2018 13: 30
    +1
    The right decision. It would be nice to get another 30-40 sides for the Navy.
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 13: 53
      +3
      So for sure, I honestly did not understand about 28 boards, is that all ???? It’s not enough, considering that the sailors are re-equipping the regiment in Gvardeisky and Chernyakhovsk, even if there are 2AE each there are already 50 airplanes, plus at least 6 are needed in Yeysk - the pulp and paper mill. Even this year, the news was that in Severomorsk the squadron would put down decks for reinforcement, which is 10-12 aircraft. Unclear!!!!
      1. NN52
        NN52 5 January 2018 14: 14
        10
        Rushnairfors

        It should be understood that at the end of the year 18 there will be 28 sides for sailors ..
        Then there will be more. They write for ours there will be only 55 boards per year done, but there are also Kazakhstan and other contracts .. Yes, and apparently not very much with money ..
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 5 January 2018 14: 32
          +2
          Quote: NN52
          They write for ours there will be only 55 boards per year done

          55 is a typo. There are 18 of them per year. Just as much is left until the contract is completed.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 5 January 2018 18: 39
            +1
            Quote: Odyssey
            They are 18 per year

            As if...
            The last labor week of 2015 began. The annual plan for the IAZ (Irkutsk Aviation Plant) was the construction of 61 aircraft, and on November 25 the last aircraft was transferred to the LIP.

            The figure is confirmed by the machines raised and handed over to the customers:

            Yak-130 - 30 aircraft (4 - Belarus / 71, 72, 73, 74 /, 6 - Bangladesh / 15101-15106 /, 12 - Russian Aerospace Forces / 57, 58, 71-80 /, 8 - Bangladesh not transferred to the customer / 15107-15114 /)

            Su-30SM - 31 aircraft (raised from 1118 to 1308) (transmitted: 4 - Kazakhstan / 01, 02, 03, 04 /, 5 - MA of the Russian Navy / 38, 39, 40, 41, 42 /, 8 - Russian Aerospace Forces Millerovo (03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11), 2 - Russian Aerospace Forces GLITS / 03, 04 /, 12 aircraft were not transferred)

            Airforce Forum User: cemichael
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 5 January 2018 14: 34
        +2
        Quote: Rushnairfors
        So for sure, I honestly did not understand about 28 boards, is that all ????

        All under this contract. The fact that there will be more. Ideally, in my opinion, just 30-40 boards. Otherwise, the nonsense turns out.
        Deliveries will go after the 18th year.
        1. Rushnairfors
          Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 14: 55
          +3
          That is, more sailors will order? This is very good, I apparently misunderstood. thank
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 5 January 2018 20: 20
            +1
            So I have long noticed that the MO makes orders (contracts) "small wholesale". And then the new post. Look at the contracts for the Su-30, 34, 35.
            Su-34. The first contract November 10, 2008 - 32 cars. In 2013, the first contract was closed, but on March 1, 1. A new one was signed - 2012 cars. The contracts were for five years.
            Su-35. August 2015 contract for 48 cars for 5 years.
            The first contract for the Su-30M2 MO signed in 2008. for 4 cars. After the first 20 cars went another modification of the Su-30. hi
            So signing new contracts for the MoD is not a problem.
            1. Rushnairfors
              Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 20: 36
              +3
              Hello Kasim, the first sighting type contracts, but how does the technique of the declared characteristics not confirm, so it turns out? Perhaps this is justified on the one hand, well, plus the dates of the first contracts, in those days the plants only got on their feet, they could not overpower a large batch. By the way, and on MiG35, such “cautious” statements are 30-35 aircraft, and in our case the commander with the aircraft brought a figure of 100-150 aircraft (which I am glad for example)
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 5 January 2018 21: 06
                +1
                Happy New Year to you! And Merry Christmas! Health and all the best!
                Moscow Region calls the first batch of aircraft "installation" (the name they came up with). Surely everyone checks before sweeping for more. Well, according to Sushki, it’s hard to say that production was being established - there the Chinese and the Indians helped. But the MiG will have harder. The first batch will be “installation” and, as I understand it, 35 will be hard to name. Then one colleague wrote about the photo of the first demonstration roll-out - “I would have my hands pulled out for such an assembly”, etc.- worked at the MiG plant ... There will surely be, as with the Su-30, they will “saturate” it along the way. The VAF (Ancient - in my opinion such a nickname now) wrote that the old backlogs of the 29th would go first, and only the last ones from the installation party would be "saturated" with everything necessary.
                It seems to me that if the customer is satisfied with the MiG-35, then they will be ordered by much more than 150 (I spoke about this number of GDP). In 2016 (or in 14g), at our KADEKS exhibition, Nazarbayev asked him to bring him to the demonstration. I personally talked with the pilot and designer. He spoke for 60-90 boards. And now after Syria (finally they began to modernize the Su-25) I’m sure that it will order. Other (imported) is not even considered. So, if the Russian Federation adopts it, then besides us, Uzbeks and Turkmens will order, Baku wanted. So we are waiting - it will have to be in “color” for us. hi
  9. Kunica
    Kunica 5 January 2018 13: 35
    0
    Something no news about Hmeimim. How is it really? From independent sources it is desirable.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 6 January 2018 09: 37
      0
      It is advisable not from independent, but from those personally present at the incident.
  10. Dart
    Dart 5 January 2018 13: 39
    0
    Quote: hrych
    Su-33 copes with deck tasks.

    It’s already becoming obsolete, what years ... and on the example of the SU-27, which, thanks to the Judas, has been studied up and down by Western .... "partners", it will not be a problem for penguins. And the MiG is quite a thing in itself, full of surprises for ... "partners" laughing
  11. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 5 January 2018 16: 45
    +1
    The total number will be 116 Su-30СМ - 88 for VKS and 28 for naval aviation.

    By the link of aircraft for each fleet, or what?
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 5 January 2018 19: 03
      +1
      We have already written above- 28 as part of this state defense order. The following provides for continued shipments to the fleet.
  12. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 5 January 2018 17: 39
    +1
    NEXUS
    Today, the mating season of amphibians began, so that they started blowing bubbles? wassat One croaking and zero informativeness.

    From your information in children, hair turns gray, such as this pearl:
    develop a ground attack aircraft based on SU-34.


    wife order.

    Your wife thinks more than the order deserves, gee ... laughing
  13. VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 5 January 2018 18: 46
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    The article also says about IL-38e,
    Cool guys. I have a very good lantern - from the Bridge of the utilized Siberia, it blinked twice, responded twice with the landing, nice.
  14. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 7 January 2018 19: 30
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    Quote: viktorch
    and where is the pack fa ????

    By mid-2017, they promised to release 2 serial boards.