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Brazil acquires the British Ocean Helicopter

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The Brazilian Navy is still replenished with a British helicopter carrier. As the British resource "UK Defense Journal" reported, citing a source in the Brazilian Ministry of Defense, the Brazilian and British sides reached a final agreement on the acquisition by Brazil of an amphibious helicopter carrier L 12 Ocean from the Royal Navy. The contract value will be 312 million Brazilian Reais (about 84,3 million pounds).


Brazil acquires the British Ocean Helicopter


Ocean should be removed from the British fleet in March 2018. It is expected that the ship already under the Brazilian flag will leave the UK no earlier than October or November 2018. In the coming weeks, the first group of four Brazilian officers should go to the UK to prepare for the acceptance of the ship. The arrival of the first part of the Brazilian crew proper to Britain is expected in early April.

Ocean was introduced to the Royal Navy in 1998, and since 2014 has been the only aircraft carrier of the British Navy, and since June 2015 has been the flagship of the fleet. The 2012-2014 has undergone an average overhaul and upgrade with a total cost of 65 million pounds, so now it is in good technical condition.

In the Brazilian Navy, Ocean will also become the only aircraft carrier in connection with the decision to cease operation of the last Brazilian aircraft carrier A 12 São Paulo (formerly French Foch). According to Brazilian sources, it is most likely that in the Brazilian fleet the helicopter carrier will be called Minas Gerais (previously the name was worn by the first Brazilian aircraft carrier - the former British Vengeance of the Colossus type, acquired in 1956 and retired in 2001), reports BMPD
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  1. No pasaran
    No pasaran 5 January 2018 09: 29
    +5
    Why do they need it? This is the weapon of expansion of the aggressive capitalist states. And Brazil is there too ..?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 5 January 2018 09: 45
      11
      Quote: No pasaran
      Why do they need it? This is the weapon of expansion of the aggressive capitalist states. And Brazil is there too ..?

      Probably then why the Russian aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov".
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 January 2018 09: 47
        +9
        Brazilians buy a ship inexpensively. For example, the Brazilian footballer Neymar costs one and a half times more expensive.

        Maximum transfer value: Last change: 150,00 Mill. € 12 oct. 2017 year
        https://www.transfermarkt.ru/neymar/profil/spiele
        r / 68290
        the parties reached a final agreement on Brazil's acquisition of the L 12 Ocean helicopter carrier withdrawn from the Royal Royal Navy of Great Britain. The contract value will amount to 312 million Brazilian reais (about 84,3 million pounds).
        1. Going
          Going 5 January 2018 12: 05
          +4
          The contract value will amount to 312 million Brazilian reais (about 84,3 million pounds).


          Suspiciously cheap, someone messed up.
      2. Rusland
        Rusland 5 January 2018 10: 12
        10
        Does Brazil have many enemies? Why didn’t you compare it with the Americans? Out of habit? (Aron Zawi) hi
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 5 January 2018 10: 25
          +1
          Quote: Rusland
          Does Brazil have many enemies? Why didn’t you compare it with the Americans? Out of habit? (Aron Zawi) hi

          So they do not ask such questions.
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 5 January 2018 10: 25
          +9
          "Does Brazil have many enemies?"
          why are you trying to decide for the Brazilians? If you buy, then you need to! By your logic, then 80% of countries should not have an army if they do not have visible enemies. I’m only afraid that after the dissolution of the army, their enemies will immediately appear, and not one.
          1. pjastolov
            pjastolov 5 January 2018 12: 24
            +3
            Quote: xetai9977
            By your logic, then 80% of countries should not have an army,

            I don’t remember who said request if you don’t want to feed your army, you will feed someone else’s
      3. xetai9977
        xetai9977 5 January 2018 10: 22
        +5
        Very successful purchase! Quite inexpensive for older equipment! And the British are not in the loser. We got rid of the already unnecessary vessel, the maintenance of which costs oh how expensive!
        1. pjastolov
          pjastolov 5 January 2018 12: 25
          +3
          Quote: xetai9977
          Quite inexpensive for

          scrap metal is probably more expensive, because there is not only iron
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 5 January 2018 12: 55
          +1
          Quote: xetai9977
          Quite inexpensive for older equipment!

          Quote: xetai9977
          We got rid of the already unnecessary vessel, the maintenance of which costs oh how expensive!

          Don't you think that these two phrases contradict each other?
      4. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 5 January 2018 10: 41
        +4
        Aron, in general, Kuznetsov’s aviation should cover the zone of submarine positioning, so that your irony is not counted.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 5 January 2018 20: 17
          +1
          Quote: zadorin1974
          Aron, in general, Kuznetsov’s aviation should cover the zone of submarine positioning.

          not much is wrong, the TAVKR aviation should cover the KAG on the route to the areas of the SSBN database, and then they themselves - 1-2 RPKSN + 1-2 MAPL (nuclear submarines hunters) ...
      5. Vadivak
        Vadivak 5 January 2018 12: 08
        +2
        Quote: No pasaran
        Why do they need it? This is the weapon of expansion of the aggressive capitalist states.

        But from them, birthmarks and is protected. Their own fat to them ...
      6. pjastolov
        pjastolov 5 January 2018 12: 21
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Probably then why the Russian aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov".

        and you measured the length of the Russian coastline? now count on the striped and the number, just the quantity, not the displacement, of their marine air wing
      7. San Sanych
        San Sanych 6 January 2018 15: 10
        0
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: No pasaran
        Why do they need it? This is the weapon of expansion of the aggressive capitalist states. And Brazil is there too ..?

        Probably then why the Russian aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov".

        why do the Americans 10 nimitsev? )))
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 5 January 2018 10: 04
      +7
      Quote: No pasaran
      This is the weapon of expansion of aggressive capitalist states.

      what A personal weapon, well, let's say a gun, not an expansion weapon ???
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 5 January 2018 10: 33
        +8
        Quote: Serg65
        A personal weapon, well, let's say a gun, not an expansion weapon?

        On the scale of your landing ... and even your entire staircase - no doubt! laughing
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 5 January 2018 10: 40
          +5
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          On the scale of your landing ... or even your entire staircase

          laughing I would expand the boundaries of expansion to the outer perimeter of my yard!
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 5 January 2018 10: 41
            +6
            Quote: Serg65
            I would expand the boundaries of expansion to the outer perimeter of my yard!

            Depends ... on the gun.
            With PM - I would not risk it. With Stechkin, for example - you can expand further fellow
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 5 January 2018 10: 54
              10
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              With PM - I would not risk it.

              laughing Here I was slicing beets in front of NG, the doorbell rang out ... I went out with a knife in my hands all in a burgundy ... my appearance ensured me the expansion already on two floors !!! And give me a PM ... so scary to think wassat
              1. pjastolov
                pjastolov 5 January 2018 12: 28
                +3
                Quote: Serg65
                And give me a PM ... so scary to think

                and what will you be smeared with? you can’t clean the beets laughing
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 5 January 2018 12: 47
                  +5
                  Quote: pjastolov
                  and what will you be smeared with?

                  bully With PM in your hands there’s nothing to be smeared with wink
                  1. pjastolov
                    pjastolov 5 January 2018 12: 49
                    +3
                    Quote: Serg65
                    With PM in your hands there’s nothing to be smeared with

                    and what to scare? repeat
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 5 January 2018 12: 57
                      +6
                      Quote: pjastolov
                      and what to scare?

                      My friend, in most cases, jerking the shutter leads to the calming of the opponent and the onset of world peace yes
                      I look, you somehow underestimate Makarov’s pistol, but in vain! It’s convenient for them not only to open beer bottles, but also to carry out ventilation in the cranium yes
                      1. pjastolov
                        pjastolov 5 January 2018 13: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: Serg65
                        I look, you somehow underestimate Makarov’s pistol,

                        my full-time is APS, so maybe I don’t know something
      2. pjastolov
        pjastolov 5 January 2018 12: 26
        +3
        Quote: Serg65
        A personal weapon, well, let's say a gun, not an expansion weapon ???

        so what are you? it's like a fishing weight laughing
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 5 January 2018 12: 46
          +3
          Quote: pjastolov
          it's like a fishing weight

          In skillful hands, this “weight” of the last vintar will be wink
          1. pjastolov
            pjastolov 5 January 2018 13: 13
            +3
            Quote: Serg65
            In the capable hands of this

            in skillful hands and a pencil is a terrible thing
    3. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 5 January 2018 18: 54
      +3
      Quote: No pasaran
      Why do they need it? This is the weapon of expansion of the aggressive capitalist states. And Brazil is there too ..?

      How about for example a PLO, not the shortest maritime border among South American countries?
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 5 January 2018 19: 45
        0
        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        How about for example PLO

        And also FFP, air defense, and missile defense. Well, to the heap of different rescue operations, counter-terrorist, and even so on the little things with a dozen tasks.
  2. nik-karata
    nik-karata 5 January 2018 09: 33
    +3
    If your resource has worked out, then the question is - why buy?
    And if "in good technical condition," then why withdraw from the fleet. request
    1. igordok
      igordok 5 January 2018 10: 48
      +4
      Often, Latin America resembles a landfill, a garbage dump where ships from the Navy of Europe and America are thrown off to rust.
      And as always, I recall the saying, "If you want to ruin the country, give it a cruiser."
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 5 January 2018 18: 56
        0
        Quote: igordok
        Often, Latin America resembles a landfill, a garbage dump where ships from the Navy of Europe and America are thrown off to rust.

        India and China, also trash or for a red word have written?
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 5 January 2018 10: 55
      +5
      Quote: nik-karata
      If your resource has worked out, then the question is - why buy?
      And if "in good technical condition," then why withdraw from the fleet. request

      The Britons are now launching the Liza (the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier), apparently they thought that it would be unprofitable for the budget to also contain the Ocean. In London they know how to count money. Perhaps it is more profitable for them to sell it than to keep it near the wall.
      1. nik-karata
        nik-karata 5 January 2018 10: 57
        0
        Also, in principle, is not without logic.
  3. newcomer
    newcomer 5 January 2018 09: 34
    +3
    mean on the "Shell" no money? and on a used pelvis were found. what are they going to do with him? shaving well mastered amersky recycling, probably.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 5 January 2018 10: 05
      0
      sale-purchase-it is soft power and feeding against Argentina .. not to fight for the Falklands themselves. 500 years so rule the world.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 5 January 2018 10: 10
        +2
        it will not be enough for Argentina. Britons with the Yankees will have to “utilize” the thread.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 5 January 2018 10: 14
          0
          and it will be cheaper than driving your own in war
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 5 January 2018 10: 23
            +2
            so in the bottom case yes. just what else to throw it to the Brazilians, well, unless the Yankees toss. and so it is clear that the Anglo-Saxons put on the Brazilians against the Argentines, not for nothing that they threw off the president. but I think it’s not going to get sharp.
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 5 January 2018 10: 25
              0
              and in the complex just throw, more than RPG
              and oil-gas pump from the usa without argentina
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 5 January 2018 10: 06
      +4
      Quote: newbie
      what are they going to do with him?

      laughing So there is a flying football field! Maritime football championship will be!
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 5 January 2018 10: 13
        +2
        just play with the Argentine national team, you will look and resolve all disputes. joke.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 5 January 2018 10: 12
      +1
      They have a new leadership. Temer is a very pro-American and pro-Western politician. Therefore, most likely there will be no more high-profile contracts with the Russian Federation. He rather F-35 or Patriots buy wink
    4. tchoni
      tchoni 5 January 2018 10: 31
      +2
      Quote: newbie
      mean on the "Shell" no money? and on a used pelvis were found. what are they going to do with him? shaving well mastered amersky recycling, probably.

      So the pelvis is more needed than the shell. And it’s not such a pelvis, especially when compared with the Russian Navy. And for the money that the Angles are asking for (half the price of a new corvette 11356 of Russian construction), that's fine too)
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 5 January 2018 10: 40
        +2
        Well, did you compare the old carrier ocean and our new corvette? does not hold water.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 5 January 2018 11: 53
          +2
          Quote: newbie
          Well, did you compare the old carrier ocean and our new corvette? does not hold water.

          That is precisely our corvette does not stand up to criticism, because this "pelvis" will allow you to place a bunch of different funds that shut up a dozen of our corvettes.
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 5 January 2018 12: 30
            +2
            your “doctrine“ does not stand up to criticism. Wrote a little lower interesting_ read. I do not want to repeat myself.
        2. tchoni
          tchoni 5 January 2018 12: 21
          0
          Quote: newbie
          Well, did you compare the old carrier ocean and our new corvette? does not hold water.

          Why? There are no calibers on the "ocean"? So there is no helicopter regiment on the corvette)
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 5 January 2018 12: 27
            +2
            The question is, why do you need a corvette? secondly, there are corvettes that could be used to devil these pelvis with “firewood”.
            1. tchoni
              tchoni 5 January 2018 13: 15
              0
              Quote: newbie
              The question is, why do you need a corvette? secondly, there are corvettes that could be used to devil these pelvis with “firewood”.

              So do not drag me into a debate on the topic of comparing the combat effectiveness of a soldering iron and pliers. These are different things. If you want to shield that the soldering iron is cooler - count it. It will be necessary to unscrew the nut - anyway, go for the plows hi
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 5 January 2018 14: 43
                +2
                so stop! who began the comparison of different ships here, and who pointed out the bankruptcy of this issue, can you tell?
                1. tchoni
                  tchoni 5 January 2018 15: 48
                  0
                  Quote: newbie
                  so stop! who began the comparison of different ships here, and who pointed out the bankruptcy of this issue, can you tell?

                  I just indicated the order of prices. Taking for example not the most recent and necessary corvette project for the domestic fleet. Want to compare with the Mistrals? A difference of ten times the price will be in favor of shaving).
                  1. newcomer
                    newcomer 5 January 2018 16: 10
                    +2
                    Mistral is new, do you feel the difference? but in general we still have two BDK project Gren enough
                    1. tchoni
                      tchoni 5 January 2018 16: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: newbie
                      Mistral is new, do you feel the difference? but in general we still have two BDK project Gren enough

                      New? it’s not bad, but the ocean, by ship standards, is still not old. 20 years will still serve without straining, or even more. In terms of functionality, if you do not take the command center of the Mistral into account, they are very close. There are nuances of performance characteristics, but, this is just all the nuances. But for the price - the discrepancy is complete. I definitely don’t remember the sum of the contract for Mistral, but, remember, the speech was almost about a billion euros apiece ... And then, yes, boo, but without a shortened command center, but, nevertheless, a full-fledged ship of the first rank at a price half of the corps of the 2nd rank ... I believe that the Brazilians did not lose)
                      1. newcomer
                        newcomer 5 January 2018 17: 00
                        +2
                        in terms of functionality, Ocean did not even stand next to the Mistral. and the price of the mistral is higher, since our weapons were also remade for cold waters. alterations on oceans will fly too, even can block the sum itself. and they won’t give us this ocean, even if we ask. Sliding price_ I want to know the level of deterioration of both the warp and the units as a whole.
                      2. PSih2097
                        PSih2097 5 January 2018 20: 23
                        0
                        Quote: tchoni
                        but, pomnitstso speech was almost about a billion euros apiece ...

                        the price tag of the first 720 million euros, the second - 650 million.
            2. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 5 January 2018 14: 52
              0
              Quote: newbie
              The question is, why do you need a corvette? secondly, there are corvettes that could be used to devil these pelvis with “firewood”.

              Yes, in the fantasies of all kinds of sofa naval commanders, corvettes like the mosquito fleet are super duper destroyers of aircraft carriers with their super-duper calibers. But we do not live in the world of these fantasies.
              So let's compare the three main tasks,
              1) FFP i.e. destruction of surface ships
              2) PLO i.e. destruction of submarines
              3) air defense \ missile defense i.e. destruction of all types of aircraft
              And so we compare the FFP, the radar height and the size of the radar are important here, the radar is located above the ocean and thanks to the larger size of the ship, you can place a larger radar, therefore he (the ocean) will see and shoot earlier (here I compare the UDC and the corvette). The ocean has AWACS aircraft and even in the plural, therefore, even with worse radars, you can see further due to the higher location of the radars, therefore it will fire earlier (here I compare the UDC and all kinds of cruisers). Go ahead, compare the PLO, everything is somewhat more complicated, but it can be simplified, the submarine can be found by those who have more sonars (active and passive) spaced over a larger area so that the PL could not escape through the water layers, and here again the ocean leads because it has more buoys, because it has more aircraft capable of quickly creating a sonar network in a given region. Okay, we go further than the air defense / missile defense, well, here again everything comes down to the radar and their location, as in the FFP, that is, the ocean and its AWAC are again in the lead. Needless to say more about the amount of ammunition? About autonomy? about seaworthiness including combat seaworthiness? about convenience for L \ C? about universality in terms of tasks, including in peace and pre-war time? And yes, we again return to the main thing, namely to the cost-effectiveness plug, and especially to the price indicated earlier tchoni. So now let's take the trouble to tell us what is better than corvettes? No, this is not sarcasm, they are really better, in some ways, the only question is how well you will be able to make out the mistakes made in this comment. wink
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 5 January 2018 16: 08
                +2
                oh and love you to write as I look. I don't care about your mistakes. this cliche “sofa” has become a little advanced, come up with something new, you’re our chair one. let's start with the purpose of the corvette_ direct task: to protect the coastline and the close sea zone. corvette does not allow the approach of this trough, this time. the second: than Ocean will beat the corvette with turntables, do not tell me, they immediately click. your turntables are good only if the enemy is completely suppressed in the coastal zone.
                1. tchoni
                  tchoni 5 January 2018 18: 01
                  +1
                  newcomer,
                  Quote: newbie
                  in terms of functionality, Ocean did not even stand next to the Mistral. and the price of the mistral is higher, since our weapons were also remade for cold waters. alterations on oceans will fly too, even can block the sum itself. and they won’t give us this ocean, even if we ask. Sliding price_ I want to know the level of deterioration of both the warp and the units as a whole.
                  Regarding the functionality - justify, please.
                  Regarding the prices of MISTRALS - this is a separate issue - or rather, a fait accompli. Like the price of the ocean.
                  Regarding the alteration by the Brazilians, the deterioration of the ship, etc. - I hasten to dispel your fears - the ship underwent major repairs and even modernization recently, but the Brazilians did not have their own weapons - and there isn’t much of them on the helicopter carrier, so they will learn English.
                  Well, and the last - yes! they won’t sell us sea-oksians at the price of the Mistrals, so we can only rejoice for the Brazilian brothers and hope for our own shipbuilders who have vowed to swear (which I won’t remember anymore) to dust down our helicopter carrier, either a storm or some other bad weather.
                  1. newcomer
                    newcomer 5 January 2018 23: 00
                    +2
                    I already answered your comment below.
                2. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat 5 January 2018 19: 42
                  0
                  Quote: newbie
                  Corvette will not allow this trough

                  Quote: newbie
                  than ocean will beat the corvette

                  And who will ask the permission from him, the corvette? They will see him for A kilometers, and he will see him for B km while B <A, So the ocean will not care about the corpses at the bottom of the sea. And, well, yes, for sure, the religion forbids the enemy to put containers with anti-ship missiles on the deck, and religion also prohibits the coastal anti-ship missiles from rolling out onto the deck. lol
                  1. newcomer
                    newcomer 5 January 2018 22: 56
                    +2
                    Well, when you “put” and “roll out” then we’ll see if it works out or not. but according to the possibilities at the moment, ocean is simply a trough for turntables and he won’t even have time to bow to the corvette before his death. Yes, and “roll-out” and “installation” as you already say more costs milking Brazilians. and even more so if for us, if you bought. all voaros and went about the price and feasibility of buying this pelvis.
            3. MOSKVITYANIN
              MOSKVITYANIN 5 January 2018 19: 14
              0
              Quote: newbie
              The question is, why do you need a corvette? secondly, there are corvettes that could be used to devil these pelvis with “firewood”.

              To begin with, the corvette is a ship of the coastal marine zone ...
              CORVETTE
              (French. corvette), .. 1) in the sailing navy of the 17-19 centuries. a light ship intended for reconnaissance and auxiliary tasks ... 2) In the British, American and other military fleets of the 2 World War, warships called anti-submarine and air defense were called corvettes.

              Modern explanatory dictionary ed. "Great Soviet Encyclopedia"
              http://www.classes.ru/all-russian/russian-diction
              ary-encycl-term-27804.htm
              Corvette - a class of warships intended for patrol and guard service in the coastal zone. The main tasks of the corvettes are patrolling and anti-submarine defense of the coast.

              http://army-news.ru/2014/12/korvety-vmesto-krejse
              rov /
              https://topwar.ru/?newsid=65551
              HMS Ocean was adopted by the British fleet in 1995 year. The ship's length is 202 m, displacement is more than 21 000 tons. The ship can hold more than 40 military vehicles, can carry up to 18 helicopters, as well as more 800 man of the landing force and almost 500 crew members, including air wing personnel.

              https://topwar.ru/112196-velikobritaniya-spishet-
              svoy-vertoletonosec-ocean.html
              It is incomprehensible about the dispute, different types of ships, it is clear that a helicopter carrier will always cost more, besides, he never goes to sea alone, but under the cover of escort fleet forces ...
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 5 January 2018 13: 01
            0
            Quote: tchoni
            So there is no helicopter regiment on the corvette)

            Helicopters will not cope with a rocket ship, even if it is just a corvette.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 5 January 2018 20: 28
              0
              Quote: KaPToC
              Quote: tchoni
              So there is no helicopter regiment on the corvette)

              Helicopters will not cope with a rocket ship, even if it is just a corvette.

              so who is stopping them from putting turntables on deck instead of turntables?
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 5 January 2018 21: 14
                0
                Quote: PSih2097
                so who is stopping them from putting turntables on deck instead of turntables?

                Do Brazil have them?
                1. MOSKVITYANIN
                  MOSKVITYANIN 6 January 2018 00: 02
                  0
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  Do Brazil have them?

                  Do those who drank this helicopter carrier to Brazilians don’t read the periodicals?
    5. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 5 January 2018 19: 00
      0
      Quote: newbie
      mean on the "Shell" no money? and on a used pelvis were found. what are they going to do with him?

      The same as once with the French AMV Foch, the Brazilian Navy is the largest in South America ....
      Here read for the "stopper" can let go
      https://www.smileplanet.ru/brazil/
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 5 January 2018 22: 49
        +2
        so, dear man, easier on the bends. I haven’t been “taken” yet, so that “let go”. and about your comment above, I want to ask: so what? And what was that? do not understand what the conversation is about, read the comments again, carefully.
  4. 452336
    452336 5 January 2018 09: 39
    +4
    Quote: No pasaran
    Why do they need it? This is the weapon of expansion of the aggressive capitalist states. And Brazil is there too ..?


    There are territorial disputes with Argentina in the Antarctic.
    1. KCA
      KCA 6 January 2018 09: 04
      0
      Antarctica is an international demilitarized zone that does not belong to any state, what kind of disputes can there be? Even nuclear-powered icebreakers are forbidden to approach Antarctica, our diesel ones drive there, which is not cheap
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 5 January 2018 09: 39
    +2
    There is no place to dance, they will create the world's only floating school of national dance! wassat
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 January 2018 09: 42
    +1
    Will they sell with helicopters? It is unlikely. And so, for such a ship such little money ...
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 5 January 2018 09: 47
      +3
      add turntables, ammunition to them, it turns out the Britons are welded on the pelvis, and the Yankees are on the dragonflies.
  7. faiver
    faiver 5 January 2018 09: 46
    +6
    yes for 110mln. He’s green and we would be nice ...

    scha patriotic legion will peck me laughing
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 5 January 2018 09: 49
      +3
      So outbid, through a shell company! sad
      1. faiver
        faiver 5 January 2018 09: 53
        0
        well, the country doesn’t have money for this, there is Rosnan, there are deputies, but no ...
    2. newcomer
      newcomer 5 January 2018 09: 55
      +2
      so it is with a price then yes. but app. parts and assemblies for this miracle, plus refit for our turntables, plus logistics_ is there any at all for it? in general, it’s better not to meddle. (and they won’t even sell it to us for a triple tariff, sanctions, you understand).
      1. faiver
        faiver 5 January 2018 09: 58
        0
        Are our spare parts cheaper? oh I doubt what to convert? Merlins are clearly larger than our Kashyoks, weapons and electronics remain ...
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 5 January 2018 10: 03
          +2
          why oh what? it’s better to order for this money the modernization of the SU27 from the “sump”, for that matter. you imagine not the size of turntables, but how much you need to redo on this miracle, so that he could serve ours. In this way, it’s more logical to buy / order from China, if it’s cheaper for you.
          1. faiver
            faiver 5 January 2018 10: 12
            +1
            from our "settlers" the price of modernization of anything will grow by leaps and bounds laughing

            but here’s an almost ready-made parachute, my mother don’t worry about her needs in China, we’ll get tired of waiting, although our “modernizers” can surpass China in terms of time ... laughing
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 5 January 2018 10: 15
              +2
              as I understand it, you liked the ocean. so enjoy it. it's better to build your own than to take British second-class scrap.
              1. faiver
                faiver 5 January 2018 10: 20
                0
                well, we don’t build it like that, but what do we build like this according to 10-15let ...
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer 5 January 2018 10: 46
                  +3
                  we are not just building, but restoring a shipbuilding school. if you are worried about public money, you would be better off glad to expand our shipyards, which make it possible to build ships of the first rank, and the helicopter carriers themselves, whose project is already being considered at the Moscow Region. jobs for our shipbuilders are more important will be the cheapness of the floating core.
                  1. faiver
                    faiver 5 January 2018 10: 48
                    0
                    they are already gone - shipbuilders, new ones need to be grown ...
                    1. newcomer
                      newcomer 5 January 2018 11: 01
                      +2
                      why so skeptical, eat and grow. rejuvenation of personnel is difficult, but it’s coming, evidence of this is the laying of new shipyards.
                      1. faiver
                        faiver 5 January 2018 12: 15
                        0
                        In general, would I be an Abromovich, Deripaska or Potanin - I would buy and give the Navy of the Russian Federation hi
                      2. newcomer
                        newcomer 5 January 2018 12: 22
                        +2
                        I am for all limbs. they need to be beaten a bit until smoked.
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 5 January 2018 09: 52
    +2
    Brazil is already preparing in half a century to buy the quintessentially still British aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth, or how is it called? recourse
    1. Vard
      Vard 5 January 2018 10: 10
      0
      It's a pity to throw out ... and so they gave someone who needs money in Brazil ... and steamed ... And England is good ... and Brazil is honorable ...
  9. Rusland
    Rusland 5 January 2018 10: 18
    +7
    Good for parades. Still a couple of helicopters in the appendage.
  10. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 5 January 2018 10: 21
    +5
    It is a win-win deal. The Britons do not need it - it is expensive to maintain, and with the introduction of "Elizabeth" and "Welsh," it is pointless to take into account the new vision of the concept of an a / b-fleet. The Brazilians, on the other hand, acquire a ship that is still not old (1998), and moreover, recently (2014) a little (65mln) is a little shaman. It seems that it fully meets the tasks of the local fleet and the flight of thought of local strategists - because they always had one aircraft carrier as part of the Navy. It’s just that there are no offers on the used aircraft carrier on the market (there’s not enough money for a new one + you need to order a new fleet), and the helicopter carrier will come off (maybe temporarily). By the way, it’s also surprisingly cheap (84 million)
  11. bald
    bald 5 January 2018 10: 22
    0
    So they are building a new aircraft carrier - why old. Podshamanili and surrendered. They want to test with aircraft already at the end of 2018. HMS aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth (R08).
  12. san4es
    san4es 5 January 2018 10: 29
    +8
    Brazil acquires the British Ocean Helicopter

    ... Vpari all the same "suitcase" ... Often he ran to Brazil

    Key Features: Displacement of 21760 tons. Length 203,4 meters, width 36,1 meters, draft 6,6 meters. Maximum sailing speed 18 knots, economical 15 knots. Cruising range of 8000 miles at a speed of 15 knots. Team: 255 people + 180 people of flight personnel.
    Power is supplied by two Crossley Pielstick V12 diesel engines.
    On board, four military jet skis (LCVPs) are planned for airborne transfer. Can accommodate 40 cars, 830 people landing.
    Armament: 4 x 30mm DS30M Mk2 guns; 8 general-purpose machine guns; three anti-aircraft artillery systems Phalanx CIWS; four multi-barrel machine guns M134 Minigun.
    On board the ship is the radar 1008; two radars 1007; Type 997 Artisan 3D Surveillance System.
    Air wing: 18 helicopters.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 5 January 2018 19: 27
      +1
      san4es Vpariali still "suitcase" ...

      We have such a "suitcase", but with such an air wing ... we don’t even have anything to compare with ....
      The Brazilians did the right thing, an amphibious helicopter carrier will still be cheaper than the old Foch, the need will be relieved, the Harriers will be purchased from the same British, and they can already buy AWACS helicopters, they are provided for on new English aircraft carriers ....
      There are still no competitors in South America in the combat composition of the Navy, and no near future is expected ....
      A helicopter carrier can be a headquarters ship and a floating hospital ....
      By the way, an article about this helicopter carrier was already on this site
      https://topwar.ru/112196-velikobritaniya-spishet-
      svoy-vertoletonosec-ocean.html
      1. san4es
        san4es 5 January 2018 19: 42
        +1
        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        ... We have such a "suitcase", but with such an air wing ..l

        ... We need a new one ... With the old "foreign cars" you can’t get the hassle.
        ... And besides the "suitcase", there are also:
        "canister" - i.e. tanker,
        "cracker" - dry cargo ship wink
        (marine humor)
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 5 January 2018 19: 51
          0
          san4es
          Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
          ... We have such a "suitcase", but with such an air wing ..l
          ... We need a new one ... With the old "foreign cars" you can’t get the hassle.

          And who will build it for us? All aircraft carrier ships of the Navy of the USSR were built on the "Lenin Kuznets", and all the BDK in the GDR and Poland ....
          Container ships of the Ro-Ro type were attracted by the British in the war for the Falklands ...
          1. san4es
            san4es 5 January 2018 20: 07
            +1
            Clouds are running across the sky, the dusk is raining, the workers are lying under the old cart. And the proud water hears a whisper both above and below: "In four years there will be a garden city!"


            ... Suitcase-car carrier type Ro-Ro.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 January 2018 11: 37
    +1
    Quote: xetai9977
    Very successful purchase!

    So get yourself. You’ll be in the Caspian Sea.
    By your logic, then 80% of countries should not have an army
    Then, all the more so, Azerbaijan simply needs it - you boast before the Turks.
  14. Nikolay R-PM
    Nikolay R-PM 5 January 2018 12: 14
    0
    Are there Apaches on the deck in the photo? Five or six years ago, the media wrote about the experiments of British sailors on land Apache flights from the deck of a helicopter carrier. The machines were finalized and conducted a wide range of tests. But how did they end? Is the enterprise dead?
    1. Volozhanin
      Volozhanin 5 January 2018 12: 33
      +1
      Nothing stalled. In the operation "Odyssey. Dawn.", Against Libya in 2011, just "Ocean" provided support. Apaches flew from it.
      1. Nikolay R-PM
        Nikolay R-PM 6 January 2018 09: 50
        0
        Just about this episode and wrote six years ago. I am curious about the current state of this program. Or was everything covered with the “ocean”?
  15. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 5 January 2018 12: 31
    0
    It’s a pity that Ocean didn’t even serve in Royal Neavy for 20 years. They say the crew will go on manning the Prince of Wales, but in this case, the limes will be left without aircraft carriers until the Queen reaches operational readiness, and this will be in 2021
  16. strannik1985
    strannik1985 5 January 2018 13: 11
    0
    Quote: faiver
    well, the country doesn’t have money for this, there is Rosnan, there are deputies, but no ...

    Pffff, they tried. You didn’t forget the Mistral? We will not be sold this, only if ordered in China.
  17. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 5 January 2018 13: 34
    0
    Brazilians are better, they don't seem to want a war with us, and away from our terras, waters, although for entogo and the ocean like Markizov puddle
  18. tchoni
    tchoni 5 January 2018 17: 59
    +1
    newcomer,
    Quote: newbie
    in terms of functionality, Ocean did not even stand next to the Mistral. and the price of the mistral is higher, since our weapons were also remade for cold waters. alterations on oceans will fly too, even can block the sum itself. and they won’t give us this ocean, even if we ask. Sliding price_ I want to know the level of deterioration of both the warp and the units as a whole.

    Regarding the functionality - justify, please.
    Regarding the prices of MISTRALS - this is a separate issue - or rather, a fait accompli. Like the price of the ocean.
    Regarding the alteration by the Brazilians, the deterioration of the ship, etc. - I hasten to dispel your fears - the ship underwent major repairs and even modernization recently, but the Brazilians did not have their own weapons - and there isn’t much of them on the helicopter carrier, so they will learn English.
    Well, and the last - yes! they won’t sell us sea-oksians at the price of the Mistrals, so we can only rejoice for the Brazilian brothers and hope for our own shipbuilders who have vowed to swear (which I won’t remember anymore) to dust down our helicopter carrier, either a storm or some other bad weather.
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 5 January 2018 22: 33
      +2
      But what kind of interlocutor are you: do you deny your words and ideas, or misinterpret my words? first: what is there to substantiate? _ even a cursory glance at the performance characteristics and weapons is enough. second: dissemble, dear man. I’m talking about altering the ocean for our armament and equipment in the case (God forbid the dreams come true) if we bought one. and yes, I insist, there are more reliable ways to spend the cost of OSHN than to buy this core. At the moment, we have enough of our own until the new series of UDC and BDK goes.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 6 January 2018 08: 58
        0
        Quote: newbie
        But what kind of interlocutor are you: do you deny your words and ideas, or misinterpret my words?

        I can say the same about you.
        As for the justifications - well, write down in more detail for the stupid. Personally, I do not see big differences in the technical characteristics of two ferries capable of transporting a battalion of marines and taking a helicopter regiment on board — I don’t see it.
        As for the alteration for our weapons - I have already told you - they will not sell it to us - just like the Mistrals did not sell it. So this issue is in favor of the poor and should not be discussed.
        Regarding the sufficiency of our BDK and UDC, the first one is fiscally outdated (the parable in tongues about the adjustable wrench dropped from the bridge “Voronezh” that pierced the deck has real roots), and the second does not exist as a class.
  19. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 5 January 2018 21: 46
    0
    In 2014, modernization for 65 million pounds, in 2018 - sale for 84 million? Somehow it does not look like a bargain. Why repair and upgrade a ship in order to sell it after 4 years at the cost of modernization?