In the Ground Forces, a combat vehicle is being developed for divisions with MANPADS

A combat vehicle for units with portable anti-aircraft missile systems is being developed in the Ground Forces, Lieutenant-General Alexander Leonov, head of the military anti-aircraft defense of the Russian Armed Forces, said on Thursday.

For the units armed with man-portable anti-aircraft missile systems of the Igla-S and Verba types, the development of the command machine of the platoon commander and the combat vehicle of the anti-aircraft gunners section are being completed

- leads the press service of the word Leonov

According to him, the combat vehicle is capable of conducting reconnaissance of aerial targets and their shelling by homing missiles from a place and in motion.

By mobility, stealth, armor protection, degree of automation of work, equipment with means of autonomous detection, the combat vehicle will not be inferior to foreign analogues, and surpasses them in a number of characteristics

- he said.

MANPADS "Verba" and "Igla-S" - Russian portable anti-aircraft missile systems designed to destroy low-flying air targets on a collision and catch-up courses under the influence of false heat interference. It is highly likely to hit low-emitting targets - cruise missiles and UAVs.

Comments

[Tusk]

In the Donbass, it seemed like something was and worked very efficiently ...

[alexmach]

Arrow 10?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Too vague tactical technical task ... The lack of photos, drawings or graphics reduces interest in the article ...

[Stas Snezhin]

Well so, now it turns out MANPADS - a transporting anti-aircraft missile system ..

[Dreamboat]

This presentation is crooked, in fact, the work on the "Bending C" complex, which has been written about here for a long time, is just being completed, with drawings and details: https://topwar.ru/100482-zenitnyy-raketnyy-komple
ks-gibka-s.html

[Sergey824]

A few days ago this message went through the "civil" news. "It is being developed in the Ground Forces," just like that. They are forgivable for krivoruk, but why does it roll?

[Lexus]

The Singaporeans won out with our "Needle" gash. There are opportunities for detection and launch directly from the machine, and the ability to use MANPADS autonomously saved.

[Herculesic]

As always, a caterpillar cradle! Its main drawback is height! A good target, and at a speed, at a bend it will easily lie on its side, or at least it will leave the road to a ditch!

[Lexus]

With a chassis weight (M113A3) of 12 tons or more, radar and 6 launch modules placed on the tower with a total mass of 200 kg maximum will not be added to the vehicle's roll-over turns, but it is possible to fire from shelters (trenches, embankments), which adds to the survival of the crew. you can yourself and the creators of "Shell-C1" - he regularly "somersaults" on the march.

[Dormidont]

For our Western and Middle Eastern partners nothing is sorry

[tchoni]

Let's build a fighting machine for machine gunners? Well, what should we do? AND???
Damn, these cars were invented long ago - armored personnel carriers are called!

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: tchoni

Let's build a fighting machine for machine gunners? Well, what should we do? AND???
Damn, these cars were invented long ago - armored personnel carriers are called!

Well, like in Syria, machine guns based on Tayota showed themselves wow. And so many started to fuss. Armor is good, and mobility (read, stay alive) is also not bad.
Submachine guns, it’s cool, and from 12 mm and above it is quite in demand to ride along the dunes. The steppes are certainly dumb, but if there are beams ... (you need to take into account the specifics of the relief. And you will be happy. And if in the Prussian manner, then tryndets)

[tchoni]

What a painfully messy expound .. the idea did not understand, to be honest ...

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: tchoni

What a painfully messy expound .. the idea did not understand, to be honest ...

The idea is simple: the machine for the submachine guns is cool, but not serious (he laughed like that), but for the cattle it really works, but the local nuances must be taken into account.

[tchoni]

Oh, there you are! I agree with this ... Although, in my personal opinion, if the barmaley had the opportunity to wave the key to the key with carts on the BTR with the subsequent maintenance of the latter - they would not refuse)
But, in general, it’s very amusing to observe the evolution of armored personnel carriers: The experience of the database showed that the ability to swim, very high passability are unnecessary in 90 percent of cases. But reliability (here I am using the availability of service information, the availability of specialists on it and the overhaul, and much more), cheapness and availability came to the fore. The purpose of the barbukhaek with machine guns is that, being made on the basis of the L200, it costs 30 forever green, and, say, BTR000 - 80 thousand. I do not even want to compare the L500 mileage and the BTR 000 - 200ka after 80 thousand - sorting out the chassis and transmission, and the engine, the benefit is that KAMAZ, but it doesn’t care for hundreds ...

And, if we return to our air defense ram, then it makes no sense to make a special machine for the transportation of MANPADS. Put them on an armored personnel carrier, an UAZ Ilm L200 - and they will be happy!

[PVOSV]

it would be necessary to cram you with a "pipe" MANPADS in an armored personnel carrier.
first work out the commands "in places" and "to the car", then the march, well, shooting at the ITC)))

maybe then you will accept that the armored personnel carrier is not quite convenient for the anti-aircraft gunner with a “pipe” and, most importantly, it is not capable of reconnaissance of the CC and issuing a command center for them.

[HEATHER]

Sharim is not childish. You see, everything is very serious. Strained.

[assa67]

... the head vehicle from the "Shell" (reconnaissance, escort) .... and on 2-3 Tigers .. squad with MANPADS ... and security ...

[Lenivets2]

And what does everything described in the article have to do with MANPADS?
And if it does, what kind of MANPADS is it?

[cannabis]

Here! Absolutely "in the hole"! We send this to each shooter - the anti-aircraft gunner with two receivers (from the commander’s commander and the beginning of the air defense regiment). Well, the platoon has an advanced tablet for receiving environment data. "And a blacksmith, why do we need a blacksmith, we do not need a blacksmith!" You can’t drag a combat vehicle onto the roof and put it on a rock.

[Sanya Terek]

It has long been invented and enters the troops. Barnaul is called.

[Mavrikiy]

combat vehicle capable of reconnaissance of air targets

From the sofa you can see - nonsense. The helicopter will make 5-6 approaches over the work area — scout, and the attack aircraft .... he is here and he is no longer there. Where he works? mom knows.

[Dreamboat]

And what calculation range did you take to calculate, so to say?
Optoelectronic station can detect targets in 10-15 km. (under ideal terrain and visibility conditions), radar generally up to 300-400 (of course it depends on power, well, let it be weak 30-40 km.). The attack aircraft approaches the target with a speed of about 500 km / h (+ -, of course, also many variables), that is, even the optoelectronic station will be able to warn about the approach of the attack aircraft in 1.5 - 2 minutes. And this is already enough for preliminary preparation and guidance of the rocket ....

[Dreamboat]

From the news it is not clear what is being developed. It seems like there were a lot of machines with MANPADS:
Boom 1 and arrow 10
Marine "Bending"
Dzhigit
And such a "fresh"

[Lenivets2]

Decipher the abbreviation for MANPADS and explain how they relate to the above?
ps It is not necessary to write that the same missiles were used there, this does not make them MANPADS.

[HEATHER]

Old alreadyDecipher the abbreviation for MANPADS

[Dreamboat]

Well, in your opinion, if you put MANPADS, then this is not MANPADS? Should it be constantly carried in the hands or on the shoulder?
There is MANPADS as an independent object (unit of armament), and there are devices and installations where this MANPADS can be integrated. In the "Dzhigit" and "Bending" mounted precisely MANPADS.
And in your opinion: install the PKK (or RPG) on the roof of the Tiger, it will cease to be a PKK, do you urgently need to rewrite the documents?

[Lenivets2]

"Well, in your opinion, if you put MANPADS, then this is not MANPADS? Should it be constantly carried in your hands or on your shoulder?"
Yes, if put it is not MANPADS.
Once again, please, decipher the term MANPADS.
If a person cannot independently use MANPADS without using auxiliary equipment, then this is not MANPADS, but short-range SAMs.

[Maz]

Quote: Tusk

In the Donbass, it seemed like something was and worked very efficiently ...

Really sawing? And before that, did they work on foot or did they use VNOS?

[viktorch]

it will not concede to foreign analogues - because they are not there and nobody needs them

equipment not capable of shooting down a helicopter with a half-head - is not needed on the modern battlefield,

so they would need another Papuan mobil for the poor

[Dreamboat]

But read how this "no", for example in Britain: https://topwar.ru/87131-britanskie-pzrk.html
And then get smart. ..

[viktorch]

So what ? bloopap is still a junk

[abc_alex]

Bullshit said, dear.
MANPADS has a number of limitations that interfere with it. universal application. the fact is that the target speeds have increased, but the speed of the system for detecting and analyzing MANPADS is not. Since this system is a man. Just the Papuans, for hunting cargo helicopters or terrorists, for firing at civilian aircraft, such machines are not needed. They "Dzhigita" enough for the eyes. But the fighters for a very long time demanded from the developers, firstly, to assemble a few missiles in a pack, and secondly, to automate pre-launch procedures, and thirdly. provide complex early warning system.
First of all, they made the seaman for small ships. Then they hung it on helicopters. And now we have reached the land units. The Needles missile reliably brings down a helicopter or an airplane (except for multi-engine ones), if only to have time to aim. But it’s difficult to be in time.

The logic here is that the latest generation MANPADS missile is not enough operator capabilities. Its possibilities are wider.

[viktorch]

the logic is that the MANPADS of the latest generations when installed on a technique cannot hit a turntable that perfectly moistens this technique, it is corny not enough firing range, if we talk about modern opponents,

but the Papuans in any trash let it knock down, and the Papuans also have taeta with dshk - an excellent means of defense

[abc_alex]

Flying Papuans? . :) :) :)
By the way, the DShK is not dangerous for modern combat helicopters. There is a reservation against 20 mm guns. Anyway vital knots.

trite is not enough firing range, if we talk about modern opponents,

Why not enough?
Do you know that even now the existing “Needle” can hit a target at a distance much greater than the stated? There, after 9 seconds, the engine turns off, and active maneuvering ceases, but the rocket then flies, and it remains fully operational. Only when her speed drops by half does self-detonation work, since it is believed that the probability of hitting a target in a passive portion of the flight is too small. The operator does not have time to simply calculate the start parameters.
As he can not even notice the approaching helicopter at a distance of more than 5-6 km. The eyes of a person do not allow. Even the French analogue of the Needle, with a mass of the rocket almost twice as large, does not fly further.
You can add a conventional kilogram of mass to the rocket and give it the opportunity to hit the target at a distance of 8 km, only the operator will still not be able to detect the target at such a distance. Just do not see. He needs primary target designation, azimuth, where he can deploy an aiming system for MANPADS. For this, cars are made.

[viktorch]

you don’t get the gist of the matter, you won’t see a man’s operator with a man’s two-legged helicopter and a helicopter at ranges of 5 km, but the detection range on a modern battlefield of any machine is tens of kilometers, and getting to the snout from a distance of 10 km is simple, I it’s just not clear why we need a machine that doesn’t give anything qualitatively, but has the same problems as any other equipment on the battlefield.
or will the car have a surveillance radar and thermooptics? with the ability to detect everything at distant approaches? But then why the MANPADS with its ranges?

[abc_alex]

I understand what you are talking about. And I repeat: people are now limiting the capabilities of existing MANPADS. The lesion range can be increased. Man does not allow. One can make a rocket with a greater range. but man cannot aim it. Therefore, the Verba MANPADS system regularly includes the same radar 1L122 with a range of 40-80 km.

The described control machine simply adds mobility. With such a detection range, the radar machine itself can be far behind the rear of MANPADS calculations, so that to launch a missile along it, the helicopter would have to go through the positions of the MANPADS calculations.
But the second car is still incomprehensible to me. Although in our troops there is a fighting vehicle of flamethrowers, which also has the only task of delivering infantrymen to the point.

[viktorch]

I understood the idea, but it would be better if the post of management and coordination would be made wearable,
and in general, the accompanying MANPADS equipment needs to be reduced in mass and added posts of thermal-optoelectronic detection, to add automatic data exchange directly with launchers, the technique now allows, you can dramatically increase the launch range for the same drones.

radar on the car - not a solution, as I think, one hell will be a fawn position

[abc_alex]

The 9K333 Verba complex includes

9M336 rocket
trigger 9P521
1L122 small-sized radar detector in the form of a surveillance radar with a range of 40-80 km
ground-based radar interrogator "friend - alien" 1L229V
mobile checkpoint 9B861
9C931 planning module
intelligence and control module 9С932−1

But I have no idea how it looks. I will be able to ask. I only know that this is all wearable.

[PVOSV]

development is being completed platoon commander control vehicles и anti-aircraft gunners fighting vehicle compartment

the first machine will be a PU platoon, and the second transport for anti-aircraft gunners.
here is the whole tale.

[viktorch]

Do you need to carry them on some special machines? All my life I thought that the calculation of the MANPADS on my two runs perfectly

[PVOSV]

well then let them run after motorized riflemen who are on BMP / BTR / or tankers, in winter you can cling to them on a ski

in an armored personnel carrier tried to sit down with a "pipe"?

[viktorch]

what is this for? firing from MANPADS with technology is an entertainment model of 1970
Is this circus still relevant? but nothing that the lapbow sees the apatch and classifies armored vehicles from 20 km and freely cuts from 10 km, who exactly is this anti-aircraft gunner capable of hitting?

PZRK - a weapon of the pehtur, in modern conditions with difficulty pulling at self-defense, to protect equipment with such ranges of target acquisition, firing, the PZRKs have long been unable to, and it makes no sense to fence a garden

[PVOSV]

Well, for as you said "pechtury" and do

said on Thursday the head of the military air defense of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Alexander Leonov

your commentary on selective action excluding MANPADS from the air defense system and contrasting it with the entire nomenclature of IOS of probable friends is senseless, you have not guessed to write about the uselessness of MANPADS in the fight against satellites

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Quote: tchoni

Let's build a fighting machine for machine gunners?

In the steppes, of course, dumb ...

And let's imagine that it (with a gun) will fly!

[VladimirNET]

Quote: PVOSV

it would be necessary to cram you with a "pipe" MANPADS in an armored personnel carrier.

And if so: we shooters in the armored personnel carrier, and pipes as cargo - on the trailer?

[PVOSV]

here's another, let me run around on foot, as they suggest here
on the march of covered units whom to plant: cargo in an APC, an arrow in a trailer?