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About the Last Warrior. And it seems really the last

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Oh, I read a lot about “The Last Bogatyr”.




The film is excellent, do not interfere, stupid obscurantists, enjoy a fun and entertaining. Because in epics there was everything, you need to know the original sources - well, and all that.

The only problem is that I am a philologist, not a rocketman. We had the best folklore teacher. Veteran, by the way, Insured. Scout.

Want to "scientifically"? Good.

Bylina is a heroic epic. Byl (etymology of the word you understand?) Song. In the epic there is pathos, almost no irony with humor. Ilya, Dobrynya and Alyosha are characters of the epos. In our epic heroes rarely solve personal problems. They are always defenders: the land of Russian, Russian, holy Russia. From monsters (snake collectors), from robbers, from foreigners. In many cases, heroes of epics have real prototypes of varying degrees of reliability.

Tale (fairy tale) - fiction. "Fairy tale is a lie." In a fairy tale character solves personal problems. Most often - looking for and finds his aunt. Humor is not only permissible, it is desirable. (Here we must understand that humor is changeable - the humor of our ancestors is unlikely to cause a special smile). The heroes of fairy tales have no real prototypes, no one is looking for them.

Water, goblin, Baba Yaga, Koschey, the frog princess, etc. - characters of a fairy tale. Specific warriors - the characters of the heroic epic. Different genres. Of course, there are some intersections (kladenets sword, Serpent Gorynych, for example, are found in fairy tales and epics). Intersections, but only.

At the same time, these genres as genres of oral folk art have long been dead.

However, there is a dry residue. From epics - not literature, but a picture by Vasnetsov. It is the frozen foundation of the Russian political nation. And nobody dared to touch this foundation later, including the Bolsheviks. The play of Demyan Poor "Warriors" (1936) caused a terrible scandal. With editorials in newspapers and all that. The proletarian author was so given a hat so that he would not forget that little did not seem. Do not touch in the pre-war time what is neither ear nor snout.

Therefore, it’s not about the epic words themselves, but about what remains of them in the collective unconscious.

(By the way, if we are talking about epics, that is, epic, in which the son of Ilya Muromets actually appears. Muromets eventually kills his son and does not pour tears over him - such are the cases).

The film "The Last Hero" - a typical fairy tale. With all its attributes. The main character finds himself and finds love. Point. But not a classic fairy tale, of course, the author.

So you could do without the heroes of the epic? Yes, easily. Nothing would suffer. No plot, no images, no charges - nothing at all.

Why then in this film specific heroes? And hell knows. Just because. To "bulo". The viewer must be surprised. And how to surprise without much creative costs. But: "Everyone thinks that Dobrynya is a positive hero, and he, a gygygy, is a bastard." Bingo.

Please note that the population in the magical country Belogorie is absent as a class. It is not in principle. There is a scoundrel Dobrynya, there is his bitch-wife, there is his squad (cowards, sadists, thieves and scum all), but there are no ordinary people. Even the little extras. There are no peasants, no merchants, no blacksmiths, - no one. Who are the heroes defended there? There are no Russians, no holy Russia, nothing of this. There are no people. Where does Alyosha Popovich come from, if there are no churches or priests? Landscapes of the film are taken directly from "The Lord of the Rings." This is not typical Russian landscapes. The mountains. Known business, the picture is better. But even then the rest would be taken. "The Lord" is inhabited by people, residents, women, children - as thickly as possible. It is clear who and why protect the heroes. The fairy-tale world of the “Last Warrior” is an emptiness. There are no nationals. Hence the whole история with warriors looks far-fetched.

Why did it happen. Some masons gathered in London for a meeting and with satanic laughter, rubbing their sweaty hands, said: “And let’s slander the mythological heroes? Is this the unconditional isohabim?” No, this is nonsense. The filmmakers did not want anything bad. They just wanted to entertain the audience and make money. There is nothing wrong with either. Moreover, the creators succeeded. They have talent, but understanding what they are doing is not. And responsibility is not. Such are the trends in the world.

Moreover, if I knew that this film was exclusively for an adult audience, and it would be uninteresting for children, I would not have written a word at all. To raise another political film doctor out of the blue would be a hunt.

But this is a family movie. And made by all canons. In such films, they focus primarily on the younger part of the audience, on children. And adults are following the residual principle. If the adults on the wall in the cinema did not crawl, did not die from anguish, did not feel that they had accomplished the feat for the sake of their children, that is already good.

Therefore, the film is made correctly. According to the textbooks. Not a masterpiece, not a new word, but a strong middling.

This film will often be shown on TV. On holidays, on holidays. Will remove the sequel, because the first part was successful.

Well, I tell you now as a teacher. The effect of such films and fun games with archetypes is far delayed. But he will manifest.

We have already received a society in which the majority sees nothing wrong with the “scoundrel Dobryna”. Spit. Not only ordinary citizens, but the creators themselves do not see any political trends.

This is not a question of censorship or scandal. This is a question of self-preservation instinct. Immunity. And we have from him, it seems, to hell so little.

Scoundrel hero and pagan under the neutral flag of an unknown country in the desire to amuse his own ego. It is symbolic.
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  1. Mih1974
    Mih1974 4 January 2018 15: 13
    31
    Well, actually the "magnification" of the heroes, as epic heroes, began with the cartoon "about the heroes." There, Ilya of Murom - a stupid superstitious person, and Alyosha priests son - generally a stupid person, if not down, and Dobrynya - is sick (he forgot the name, but there is something with uncontrolled sleep).
    Conspirological theory is weak, against the background of what the West is doing with itself, these are childish pranks. Well, or then you need to recognize the truthfulness of the talk about World Government lol
    1. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 4 January 2018 15: 27
      31
      I watched the film. Why didn’t I see anything anti-Russian there? Dumb for my worldview, but it’s not designed just for me. Besides, all the films are rented with the approval of the Ministry of Culture, but they didn’t see anything dangerous for our state there. ideology, we have to try it !!!!! It seems again the besogon woke up ???????????????????????
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 4 January 2018 15: 30
        80
        For your information - the Ministry of Culture is not something that "did not see", it financed an absolutely anti-Russian "Leviathan" negative and much more. And on the "Panfilov" people more than 30 million took off good
        1. Hoc vince
          Hoc vince 4 January 2018 16: 07
          74
          Ah, bravo, author! Thanks for the cool article! .. brilliant!
          A feat of 28 Panfilov’s - no, pioneers-heroes - no, all Pavlik Morozovs, etc., etc.
          However, in the West there are no films about the villain Siegfried, the coward Roland, King Arthur, the libertine Tristan ... No, they cherish their epic. Called: "Heroic Epic of the Middle Ages"
          1. Lexa-149
            Lexa-149 4 January 2018 19: 18
            28
            And what do you have against Pavlik Morozov? What he is associated with is complete nonsense. You should study in detail the whole story with Pavlik and his family: what’s what and why. He did not betray and did not surrender. He was just a witness at the trial of his father, who at that time was no longer the husband of his mother and lived separately from his family. Moreover, Pavlik’s father beat both mother and children. And the death of both sons went terribly - they killed them in the forest. Pure crime without traces of ideology.
            And all that Pavlik Morozov’s name is now associated with is traces of Soviet propaganda.
            1. Hoc vince
              Hoc vince 4 January 2018 19: 43
              33
              Read the written carefully.
              Pavlik Morozov - a pioneer - a hero and his memory defiled and slandered. Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya is an arsonist, now Dobrynya is a “scoundrel”!
            2. Height
              Height 5 January 2018 21: 44
              +5
              Lech, I understand that this is sarcasm? Or not? God forbid you to testify against his father, no matter what he may be.
              1. Kolyma
                Kolyma 9 January 2018 03: 26
                +6
                God forbid you generally get into a situation where you have a "choice" between the Mother and the Father ... even more so in those circumstances.
            3. Prisoner
              Prisoner 6 January 2018 15: 57
              +1
              Soviet and anti-Soviet. There these tracks are wound like rabbits in the snow. Unhappy kid and after death there is no peace.
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 4 January 2018 19: 23
            16
            Today we have already received a society in which the majority does not see anything terrible in "scoundrel Dobryn". Spit.
            YES EVERYTHING IS CORRECT.
            WE GONE FROM THE BASIS OF OUR PEOPLE (S).
            LATE.
            GIVEN AND SWIM IN A Coke.
            tax on Western films is being discussed, and the French have introduced it a long time ago (12%) and on poppy-burgers, too. in defense of "zap lifestyle" did not add anything
            why are we discussing yours?
            1. gaura
              gaura 9 January 2018 09: 23
              +2
              And you look around the world, how many states have preserved their culture and roots? Only Muslim monarchies. And all the rest run after Western culture with imaginary freedom, pleasures and mickey mouse. Over there, the Indians exchanged their millennial culture and values. Now everything is about the same everywhere. Equally dress, drink Coca-Cola and eat a burger.
          3. xtur
            xtur 5 January 2018 01: 31
            +4
            > Ay, bravo, author! Thanks for the great article! .. brilliant!

            in order to understand epics and fairy tales, it is not enough to be a philologist. It is necessary to understand mythology, because the epos is the same, and a fairy tale is a tool for introducing myths into the brains of people. And the word myth, as well as its introduction does not necessarily mean something bad - a myth, it is a stereotype of thinking, and similarity of thinking is necessary for the inhabitants of society, so that there would not be too much conflict.
            The political nation, about which the author has hinted at the text several times, is just something completely constructed from myths. By the way, that the author has also turned down the epos and fairy tale as an instrument for working with myths - all comics, manga (and often even advertisements) are pure forms of myth-making and a form of fixing myths in people's minds.

            With such a correction, the article is good
          4. igorka357
            igorka357 5 January 2018 03: 01
            +2
            What does the West have to do with King Arthur, Tristan, Siegfried and Roland ... this is absolutely not a Western epic! King Arthur was a Roman at all, but excuse me Europe, what kind of West is it, and who did Tristan know? The heroic epic of the Middle Ages, from European part, and this is not the West from the word at all!
            1. Sargas
              Sargas 7 January 2018 18: 02
              +2
              The question is, what kind of epic is - they don’t touch their oil hands.
            2. passerby5
              passerby5 9 January 2018 06: 19
              0
              nevertheless, they "appropriated" them, and honor legends and legends about them. although maybe they have films where about their heroes, too, "from a different point of view"
          5. lesnik1978
            lesnik1978 5 January 2018 07: 22
            11
            Pap Pavlik Morozov is just a biological father. He threw it from birth, lived with another family. He plundered collective farm good on which he burned (he was a filthy thief). Killed Pavlik and his cousin grandfather (daddy). He stabbed them with a knife.
        2. Cat Marquis
          Cat Marquis 5 January 2018 12: 16
          +5
          absolutely anti-Russian "Leviathan"


          And what is “anti-Russian” in “Leviathan”? http://supercoolpics.com/gde-snimali-leviafan-une
          sennyj-poselok-teriberka /, https://ofigenno.com/mesto-gde-snimalsya-leviafan
          ,
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FMjFMxq1s
          1. Angler
            Angler 5 January 2018 14: 40
            10
            Nothing, except that in fact the main character was called Marvin Himeyer, and the scene was Granby, Colorado. And this MUZHIK fought corruption and the arbitrariness of officials there. I will not paint the story, everyone can find it.
            1. Cat Marquis
              Cat Marquis 5 January 2018 17: 53
              +2
              I beg you ... All Russian TV shows ("nanny", etc.) - under the "American tracing-paper", well ...? If you talk like that, then the American series Longmayer is generally beyond tolerance .... although it is he who is purely about the features of life in the American "outback" .... By the way, this series is "not recommended" for wide distribution on American TV ... that once again speaks of ... and by the way, what does this mean? wink
          2. voffchik7691
            voffchik7691 10 January 2018 14: 46
            0
            Sorry, Missed! I wanted to plus a post below, but I was mistaken!
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 4 January 2018 16: 53
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        Quote: Mar. Tira
        I watched the film. Why didn’t I see anti-Russian there?

        And anti human?
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        with the approval of the Ministry of Culture, and they saw nothing dangerous for our state there

        wassat
        Fear the Disney people bringing gifts: https://www.planet-kob.ru/articles/6877

        "...Separately, we note an impressive series of cannibalistic jokes:
        Baba Yaga in prison notes that here they will feed her for free. Looking at the guard, she notes that there is a "fresh thing".
        Baba Yaga Koshchei: “You, bony, well thought out, to take the gasp (Ivan) with you. Right now, at least we will eat well. ”
        Baba Yaga beats Ivan for the hut: "She said it was necessary to devour him."
        Koschey about Ivan: “He is a hero. The son of Ilya Muromets. The sword-keeper will mine. ” Ivan Babe Yaga: “Exactly. Don't eat me! ”
        Baba Yaga makes Ivan fight with the troll: "Come on Shurai, otherwise I’ll eat it up."
        Baba Yaga to Ivan after praise for the dance: "Savvy", "just don’t lift your nose, or I’ll eat the truth."
        Ivan annoyingly asks Koshchei about how to return to Moscow with the help of the sword-kladetsa. Baba Yaga says this with displeasure: "She said, it is necessary to eat it."
        Ivan tells the sorcerer Svetozar about Belogorye: "They either wanted to kill me or eat me there."
        In the finale, when Ivan returns and helps the team, Baba Yaga says: "It's good that I did not gobble it up."
        In the scene of the general meal at the end of the film, Baba Yaga looks comically and displeasedly at ordinary food on the table, showing that she does not like it, because she is an eater ... "
        1. Moore
          Moore 4 January 2018 18: 58
          14
          Quote: Boris55
          "... Separately, we note an impressive series of cannibalistic jokes:

          Eeee ... "Frost" is also about cannibals ?? There, Ivan's granny was no less enthusiastic about eating.
          I guess granny-yagusa is still not really a man. Everywhere she does not disdain representatives of the human race. Cartoon "Zhikharka", for example.
        2. Lycan
          Lycan 5 January 2018 09: 53
          +2
          Like this always:
          - the Americans - about sodomy and drugs;
          - with us - about cannibalism and moonshine.
        3. Antares
          Antares 5 January 2018 11: 53
          +4
          Quote: Boris55
          at the end of the film, Baba Yaga looks comically and displeasedly at ordinary food on the table, showing that she does not like her, because she is a cannibal ... "

          In the Soviet cartoon about the pioneer, she also wanted to cook it.
          Baba Yaga is a pagan deity - the guardian of the forest. Like all gods of such a plan, it was extremely difficult to appease, easy to anger, but in any case it was necessary to constantly please the sacrifices, including, possibly, human ones. The Slavic "women" they often fry good fellows and children. Although there are differences. But that will be the whole report.
          Yes, people are all descendants of cannibals. If the program crashes at critical moments (hunger) then cannibalism is more frequent and more frequent.
          1. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 5 January 2018 15: 07
            +6
            Quote: Antares
            Baba Yaga is a pagan deity - the guardian of the forest.

            In fact, Baba Yoga was a beautiful woman and a healer.
            Negative traits were attributed to her by Christians who hated everything that was originally Russian.
            In that form, Baba Yaga, as a stereotype has developed about her, is NOT RUSSIAN at all. Lives in a dense forest in a hut not stilts, black and cannibal.
            This is a typical image of African cannibals living in pile huts due to tropical rains.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 16: 01
              +5
              Quote: Perun's grandson
              This is a typical image of African cannibals living in pile huts due to tropical rains.

              what about on a shovel in the oven so treated so wrapped in dough and put in a Russian oven
              1. ImPerts
                ImPerts 5 January 2018 16: 48
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                what about on a shovel in the oven so treated so wrapped in dough and put in a Russian oven

                Naturally, the final result is tastier. wink
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 18: 29
                  +1
                  I mean, did we invent the hot dog? belay
                  1. ImPerts
                    ImPerts 5 January 2018 19: 02
                    +2
                    Well, if you take Ivan for a sausage, then it seems to be laughing
                    But then the Germans are ahead hi
                    And this is called:
                    Bratwurst

                    PS. Perhaps as a legacy of Hansel and Gretel wassat
              2. Sergeant71
                Sergeant71 6 January 2018 08: 43
                +1
                My grandmother was so cured!
            2. Antares
              Antares 5 January 2018 23: 40
              +1
              Quote: Perun's grandson
              Christians who hated everything primordially Russian

              she is with all Slavs, not only Russian, Ukrainian, western and southern too
            3. passerby5
              passerby5 9 January 2018 06: 27
              0
              Baba YOGA? the Slavs? this is something new)))) not otherwise the Indians had a hand. can enlighten, where does the YOGA woman come from)))
              1. grandson of Perun
                grandson of Perun 9 January 2018 21: 50
                0
                If you are really interested, then you can easily find any search engine. And if you decide to imitate the comedy club Petrosyans, then there is no point in answering wink
        4. passerby5
          passerby5 9 January 2018 06: 24
          +2
          Yes, I remember how many fairy tales I remember from childhood, there the B. Yaga is constantly trying to push someone into the oven (burning) in order to cook, it threatens to eat .... Sales somehow did not even think about it. as a matter of course. but they have grown. we’re growing, already our grandchildren went out ....
        5. Sasha333
          Sasha333 9 January 2018 08: 08
          +1
          It’s a pity that everything was misinterpreted. Even our Russian fairy tales (tales) made something mythical. But the very Baba Yaga did not eat children, on the contrary, she collected orphans throughout Russia. She was elevated to the rank of goddesses, such as: Lada, Mara. And what do you want, 300 years in Russia were ruled by kings of foreigners, now 100 years of the Jews.
      3. Alf
        Alf 4 January 2018 18: 46
        37
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        but they didn’t see anything dangerous for our state there.

        Shtrafbat, The last battle of Major Pugachev, Bastards, Leviathan .. There is nothing dangerous there, just a shot of the substance on your country. But nothing, everything is fine, said Kolya from Urengoy.
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 4 January 2018 20: 33
          +5
          Quote: Alf
          But nothing, everything is fine, said Kolya from Urengoy.

          Quote: Alf
          Kolya from Urengoy

          Kolya "Wehrmacht".
          1. Lycan
            Lycan 5 January 2018 09: 56
            +1
            Quote: ImPerts
            Kolya "Wehrmacht"

            It seems that now he will weigh his every word. And carefully analyze everything that they palm off on him to read on a piece of paper.
            1. ImPerts
              ImPerts 5 January 2018 10: 22
              +1
              Quote: Lycan
              It seems that now he will weigh his every word.

              Possible.
              At the moment, he is trying to monetize his "glory".
              1. Lycan
                Lycan 5 January 2018 11: 52
                +2
                He has quite sane parents. It would be nice for them to “poke” their son with their nose into that kunstkamennoy “society”, which is obtained by entering the “monetization of his ̶і̶х̶ her ̶п̶о̶р̶о̶к̶о̶в̶ished”.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 5 January 2018 16: 02
                  +5
                  Quote: Lycan
                  He has quite sane parents.

                  For sane parents, such imbeciles are not born.
                  1. Lycan
                    Lycan 5 January 2018 16: 48
                    +4
                    laughing Yes, no .. There was an excerpt in Vesti Nedeli - parents are quite like everyone else (no signs of moral degeneration were found on their light brow No. ) But someone, presumably, from the “important person from the Ministry of Education”, “someone is not ours”, before the speech (due to the wide foreign audience in the audience), slipped the ill-fated scribble with a “modern tonality”. The Germans - quiet joy, the guy - at a figurative expense.
                    How the kid will wash off after all this is unknown. But in politics, when he grows up, he will only be allowed into the liberal ranks.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 5 January 2018 20: 52
                      +4
                      Quote: Lycan
                      But someone, presumably, from the “important person from the Ministry of Education”, “someone is not ours”, before the speech (due to the wide foreign audience in the audience), slipped the ill-fated scribble with a “modern tonality”.

                      Here is one of the trench snakes from the Ministry of Education! I slipped the boy a provocation! And the boy is not to blame, he is good, just stupid ...
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 22: 02
                        +5
                        Quote: Alf
                        just stupid ...

                        well, at 16, at least some brains, but should already be
                    2. Alf
                      Alf 5 January 2018 20: 54
                      +3
                      Quote: Lycan
                      How the kid will wash off after all this is unknown.

                      And who said that he was going to launder? He said what he thought. But how many likes I collected ... Yes, and I directly ordered everyone to sand-Stop poisoning the boy.
            2. Alf
              Alf 5 January 2018 16: 01
              +2
              Quote: Lycan
              It seems that now he will weigh his every word. And carefully analyze everything that they palm off on him to read on a piece of paper.

              Will not be. He has another problem, to read it right, otherwise the current students, forgive the Lord, have problems with grammar.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 5 January 2018 16: 48
                +6
                Quote: Alf
                at present, forgive the Lord, students with grammar problems

                More than half (in my estimation) of the “population” of VO uses “You write” instead of “You write”, which means ... a little bit not what they think.
                And more than a third (in my estimation) of the same population very randomly treats the particle “not” with the verb and not only.
                About pearls like "this hour" and the like, I’m silent ...
                So what about the "literacy of the current", I would ... not particularly focus wink
                1. Alf
                  Alf 5 January 2018 20: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  So what about the "literacy of the current", I would ... not particularly focus

                  Unfortunately this is the case. Moreover, when you indicate errors to such "diplomas" through a word, they start to foam, like T9 is to blame, I am writing from a tablet, Once, at work ...
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 6 January 2018 10: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Alf
                    Unfortunately this is the case.

                    I agree with you and with the previous post. But with T9 you got excited. Indeed, this happens, here it is necessary to sort, it is one thing when confusing the words on time and time, the other is "better." This T9 will not miss.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 6 January 2018 18: 03
                      0
                      Quote: verner1967
                      I agree with you and with the previous post. But with T9 you got excited. Indeed, this happens, here it is necessary to sort, it is one thing when confusing the words on time and time, the other is "better." This T9 will not miss.

                      I agree. But how can you skip the fact that Yandex-letter emphasizes Red ???
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 6 January 2018 18: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Alf
                        How can I skip the fact that Yandex-literacy emphasizes Red?

                        sometimes in a hurry and don’t notice, and sometimes he himself substitutes the wrong word for "go" - "eat"
                    2. passerby5
                      passerby5 9 January 2018 06: 33
                      +1
                      he meant a joke: a guy answering a girl's question, when will you come? He writes I’ll leave at 9. but instead of the letter d, the letter b was printed by T9. there was a vocabulary replenishment function. the campaign guy used this word)))
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 9 January 2018 19: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: passerby5
                        instead of the letter d, the letter b was printed by T9

                        thanks, neighing))
      4. KaPToC
        KaPToC 5 January 2018 00: 31
        +2
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        I watched the film. Why didn’t I see anti-Russian there?

        And it’s good that in our entertainment cinema there is no politics and propaganda yet.
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        It looks like the besogonos woke up again

        the author is simply lying. For example, landscapes. Let me remind you that all the events took place on the plain - in the forest-steppe zone, and only then went in grief for the sword-treasure, and in Russia there are still quite a few mountains.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 5 January 2018 02: 06
          29
          Quote: KaPToC
          And it’s good that in our entertainment cinema there is no politics and propaganda yet.

          Seriously? No propaganda and politics say? That is, the substitution of the concepts of heroism, courage and honor, examples of which were heroes, is not a substitution of concepts. That, from some hangover Kashchei, who in our tales was pure evil, killing people, an evil sorcerer, etc. in this "creation" appears as a hero cleaner than Ilya Muromets, Alyosha Popovich (who generally fled in fear for his life!) And Dobryny (who is shown as a villain, a murderer and a traitor to his brothers-heroes). This is not your substitution of concepts? Away and open your eyes!
          About Yaga, Kashchei, Vodyanoy, who turned out to be an example of heroism, philanthropy and honor ... well, you need to smoke a lot, drink and smoke again to come up with this. And at the same time, in the fragile minds of children, such an unobtrusive grain of doubt and easy mockery sits heroes who are an example of heroism, honor and love for the motherland in our original tales. Is this not a substitution of concepts? And where there is a substitution of concepts and impact on children's minds, there is politics. Germany 37 years old to remind you? Or maybe from fresh ... Ukraine with crazy young people who have grown up for 25 years and have been sucking in about the same. And what do we see now in Ukraine?
          If you don’t see the problem, this does not mean that it doesn’t exist. And if you stupidly hide your head in the sand, then, excuse me, the ass remains on the street.
          1. lesnik1978
            lesnik1978 5 January 2018 07: 24
            +3
            Sometimes in fairy tales, the Baba Yaga helps good fellows. Read the collection of fairy tales by Afanasyev. helps in the fight against the Serpent-Gorinych
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 5 January 2018 07: 29
              +5
              Quote: lesnik1978
              Sometimes in fairy tales, the Baba Yaga helps good fellows. Read the collection of fairy tales by Afanasyev. helps in the fight against the Serpent-Gorinych

              You carefully read my post below ...
              Quote: NEXUS
              In our real fairy tales, the same Yaga eats stupidly many, and those who managed to repulse or deceive her helped her also because of hostility to Kashchei or Gorynych.
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 5 January 2018 08: 06
            +6
            Quote: NEXUS
            That is, the substitution of the concepts of heroism, courage and honor, examples of which were heroes, is not a substitution of concepts.

            The warriors are not good, but what Christians call dishonesty is not evil. Substitution of concepts only in your perverted Christian religion of morality.
            Quote: NEXUS
            our original tales

            In the original fairy tales, Baba Yaga - a witch - a respected and revered woman, water people - harmless river inhabitants, and Koschey the immortal - I remind you who came to kill whom, not the strength of a hero, but a hero - a commander. Evil is just heroes.
            Quote: NEXUS
            And if you stupidly hide your head in the sand, then, excuse me, the ass remains on the street.

            Let's not talk about asses at the military-political forum!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 5 January 2018 08: 12
              13
              Quote: KaPToC
              The warriors are not good, but what Christians call dishonesty is not evil.

              Dear, don’t put a cat on the globe forward. The Russian heroes are not supermen with batmen, but an example of goodness, heroism, feat, courage and defenders of truth. But Kashchei is an absolute Evil. It is not for nothing that this whole company with kikimors, goblin, Dashing One-eyed, etc., has been called UNCLEANANCE for centuries. So do not write stupidity.
              Quote: KaPToC
              In the original tales of Baba Yaga, the witch is a respected and revered woman

              Seriously? And why did this respectable and law-abiding woman eat people, convert them into animals and birds? Do not tell?
              Quote: KaPToC
              Let's not talk about asses at the military-political forum!

              And I become very politically incorrect when they write frank nonsense. Excuse me. hi
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 5 January 2018 08: 49
                +4
                Quote: NEXUS
                Dear, don’t put a cat on the globe forward. The Russian heroes are not supermen with batmen, but an example of goodness, heroism, feat, courage and defenders of truth.

                Heroes are pilots shot down in Syria, this is the sailor Cat, and the warriors are those very fictional superheroes like a superman with a betman, only in Russian color.
                Quote: NEXUS
                Seriously? And why did this respectable and law-abiding woman eat people, convert them into animals and birds? Do not tell?

                I won’t tell, because I didn’t see, I was not present, Stalin won’t eat and raped a million German Germans personally, why do you believe in the evil woman Yaga, but do not believe in the evil Stalin?
                Quote: NEXUS
                It is not for nothing that this whole company with kikimors, goblin, Dashing One-eyed, etc., has been called UNCLEANANCE for centuries.

                Who called them evil spirits? Church priests?
                1. ImPerts
                  ImPerts 5 January 2018 10: 28
                  +4
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  and heroes - these are the very invented superheroes like a superman with a betman, only in Russian color.

                  Here I agree with you. Except for one but.
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  Substitution of concepts only in your perverted Christian religion of morality.

                  Here, please do not get carried away.
                  Otherwise, our ancestors will have to dig up the sea and give birth to Buddha, Christ and Tutankhamun.
                  1. Antares
                    Antares 5 January 2018 12: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: ImPerts
                    Otherwise, our ancestors will have to dig up the sea and give birth to Buddha, Christ and Tutankhamun.

                    Valery Bebik
                    Doctor of Political Sciences, Candidate of Psychological Sciences, Professor, Vice-Rector of the Ukraine University, Chairman of the All-Ukrainian Association of Political Sciences

                    And not the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine. He is a crazy politician who also has Jesus the Ukrainian. Such loonies who attribute world inventions to their country are in every country in a bunch.
                    1. ImPerts
                      ImPerts 5 January 2018 17: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Antares
                      And not the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine.

                      I have not heard official statements on this subject from the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, therefore such a picture.
                      Quote: Antares
                      Such loonies who ascribe world inventions to their country, in every country in a bunch

                      There is one. We had such, by the name of Petrik. All-Purpose Filters promised.
                      1. Antares
                        Antares 5 January 2018 23: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: ImPerts
                        We had such, by the name of Petrik. All-Purpose Filters promised.

                        I honestly haven’t heard, often on the site I hear about horses from America (I read this author), then Russians built the Chinese wall and so on. But everyone has such a thing, there are such people.
                    2. Filxnumx
                      Filxnumx 6 January 2018 13: 45
                      +2
                      it is not surprising, from the point of view of the ukronatsiks, that Christ is Ukrainian. According to one of the historical versions, Maria Virgin, a Russian by birth, gave birth to a son in a cave on Cape Fiolent in the Crimea on the way to Constantinople.
                2. verner1967
                  verner1967 6 January 2018 10: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  Who called them evil spirits?
                  people, epics did not write priests, they (epics) have existed since pagan times.
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  Church priests?
                  and what do you have against priests?
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 6 January 2018 11: 38
                    0
                    Quote: verner1967
                    people, bylins did not write priests

                    A moot point, who wrote them, maybe priests.
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 6 January 2018 16: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      A moot point, who wrote them, maybe priests.

                      in pagan times priests? No.
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 6 January 2018 17: 15
                        0
                        Quote: verner1967
                        in pagan times priests?

                        Is there a difference?
                  2. Alf
                    Alf 6 January 2018 18: 07
                    +2
                    Quote: verner1967
                    and what do you have against priests?

                    1. There are those who serve Him from a pure heart, with a pure soul and pure thoughts.
                    2. And there are "priests."
                    Unfortunately, the first few, the bulk of the priests. And there is a huge difference between them.
                3. tezey
                  tezey 8 January 2018 15: 58
                  +2
                  In fact, the heroes are not fictional superheroes like a superman with a betman in Russian color. Ilya Muromets was a real person and if you really want to, you can still see his remains in the Kiev Lavra today. Prince Dobrynya was governor of Vladimir. There are references to it in the annals. There is no description of their life, but their heroic image has been preserved in popular memory. And if it was preserved, then apparently the warriors were glorious. So, do not confuse the Hollywood product with Russian folk memory.
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 8 January 2018 16: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: Theseus
                    There are references to it in the annals.

                    Yeah, in the annals of the nineteenth century, does this bother you?
                  2. Cannonball
                    Cannonball 8 January 2018 18: 42
                    0
                    Dobrynia governor was an uncle of Prince Vladimir, and he was not Nikitich.
                    Ilya Muromets can have two prototypes - Elijah Pechersky Chobotok and Ileiko Muromets. The first was a monk and a strongman, lived in the 12th century, the second - the impostor Lzhepetr, military commander of the army of Ivan Bolotnikov, a Cossack, executed in 1608.
                    So the epic heroes are collective mythical images, quite possibly having real prototypes, but still they are not real people.
              2. Cat Marquis
                Cat Marquis 5 January 2018 12: 35
                +5
                put a cat on the globe

                "Owl" ..... "Owl" pulled on a "globe", not a cat ... wink Cat "pulling the tail" ..... sad
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 5 January 2018 13: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: Cat Marquis
                  "Owl" ..... "Owl" pull on the "globe", not a cat ... Cat "pull the tail" .....

                  The cat is more fun ... he is curious at the same time. wassat
                  1. Monster_Fat
                    Monster_Fat 5 January 2018 17: 58
                    0
                    The cat is more fun ... he is curious at the same time.

                    I remind you once again: my cat’s name is Nexus. (if you forgot wink )
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 6 January 2018 00: 09
                      +2
                      Quote: Monster_Fat
                      I remind you once again: my cat’s name is Nexus. (if you forgot)

                      And you, so that associations are not healthy did not arise, take a look at what the concept of NEXUS is in biology, astronomy, cybernetics, chemistry, etc. ... at the same time read science fiction ... hi
                      1. Cat
                        Cat 8 January 2018 16: 44
                        +2
                        Slippers go check respected, more precisely, the first unt!
                        cat on the globe funny to him
              3. a housewife
                a housewife 5 January 2018 15: 04
                12
                I support the Nexus. At the expense of political incorrectness. Sometimes I want to give it directly to the forehead. And as for the perverted Christian morality - it is necessary to the unclean gentleman in Europe. All characters were called evil, not because they were not Christian, but because they brought Evil to people. Like this Kar ... car ... And as for this, with the permission to say "fairy tales", I simply, without philology. Uninteresting it - time! There is only one idea in it - to pervert everything, - these are two! There is no plot in the film - these are three! You can’t take it right away and say in one sentence - what’s it for? In "Ruslan and Ludmila" it is possible, for any Row tale - it is possible. And here it is impossible. In short - in addition to modern shooting techniques - zero, emptiness. To say that we have no modern, good tales is not true! The same Krapivin created a whole fantastic world - shoot! They shot one film on "Children of the Blue Flamingo." So they removed that Krapivin himself indignantly refused to consider this "masterpiece" his plot. Weak craft with a twisted meaning. Where are the GOOD movies for kids? Where are the films for children? Should Potters and Hobbits Raise Our Children? Hai they will disappear !!!
          3. verner1967
            verner1967 6 January 2018 10: 34
            +3
            Quote: NEXUS
            That is, the substitution of the concepts of heroism, courage and honor, examples of which were heroes, is not a substitution of concepts.

            Yes, I also regarded this film as a time bomb and I agree with you and the author of the article, pure substitution of the concepts of good and evil. We, the older generation, can perceive this film with irony, and children? This is for them.
          4. ver_
            ver_ 7 January 2018 07: 16
            +1
            . * .. we are witches, or not witches - patriots, or not .. *
      5. NEXUS
        NEXUS 5 January 2018 01: 53
        16
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        I watched the film. Why didn’t I see anti-Russian there?

        The author correctly says that under the authorship and frivolous interpretation of our tales, there is a certain subtext. I’ll explain ... Alyosha Popovich at the beginning of the film runs, flees from the chase overtaking his basurman. The question is, since when have our heroes fled from someone?
        Further ... Ilya Muromets defeating (just think) Dobrynya Nikitich, with whom they were like brothers in all fairy tales, turned into a stone statue ... and by whom, Vasilisa! Since when did our heroes fight among themselves to death, and even Vasilisa turns them all to stone?
        We move on ... Kashchei, Yaga, Water, well, right at the top of nobility and heroism. In our real fairy tales, the same Yaga eats stupidly many, and those who managed to repulse or deceive her helped her also because of hostility to Kashchei or Gorynych.
        Kashchei's immortality in the needle was all the way, and not in stone. And where is the duck, the hare, the bear, the casket, the oak and the island on which it was all hidden? Well, the top of idiocy is the immortality of Dobrynia, which connected it with Kashchei.
        I will not say anything about shooting from Makarov at the end of this epic. One question is: Why Makarov, and not AK or RZSO Tornado?
        Further, in what kind of chopper with Kaschey did the whole army of combatants die and with what fright did Kaschey even have the sword Kladenets? Why not the Kord Machine Gun?
        In general, the demonization of Dobrynya and Vasilisa, the assertion and demonstration that our heroes were in fact not so strong and invincible (and sometimes cowardly), as well as the glorification of Kashchei, Yaga, Vodyany, and in a playful light form, are pulled into the heads our children have a slightly (this is still slightly) our different story, the concepts of good and evil, the concept of heroism and love for the Motherland ... little by little, quite a bit, explaining this with the subjective interpretation of the scriptwriter ...
        And this, in fact, is the impact on the younger generation, changing the concepts in their not strong minds. This is all the same thing that has been done in Ukraine for a quarter of a century, and as a result, they received a young generation of downs and ignoramuses who are ready to sweep away everything in their path on command, faithfully believing that they are heroes.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 5 January 2018 08: 20
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          The question is, since when have our heroes fled from someone?

          It also struck - since when did our heroes run away from enemies, but the hero was somehow not heroic.
          Quote: NEXUS
          We move on ... Kashchei, Yaga, Water, well, right at the top of nobility and heroism.

          But where did you see the nobility in these characters? The only noble character in the film is a girl who fights for her family.
          Quote: NEXUS
          Since when did our heroes fight among themselves to death, and even Vasilisa turns them all to stone?

          This ... garbage, there is no other word, just "a piano in the bushes", or rather an anti-piano. This is due to the lack of professionalism of the director and lack of imagination and lack of money. I’ll pay attention - they saved on extras, saved on medieval surroundings. Pay attention to which company filmed.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 5 January 2018 08: 29
            +6
            Quote: KaPToC
            But where did you see the nobility in these characters? The only noble character in the film is a girl who fights for her family.

            No ... I sacrificed a watery one, covering myself with the whole company ... Kashchei cut a stone with his own and Dobrynya's death - why not self-sacrifice? The yaga also delivered ammunition regularly. She surrendered herself to the Busurmans to get this company out of the dungeon.
            Well, the company of Avengers with super abilities is direct. And the son of Ilya with Makarov is an advantage. wassat
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 5 January 2018 08: 51
              +3
              Quote: NEXUS
              No ... I sacrificed a watery one, covering myself with the whole company ... Kashchei cut a stone with his own and Dobrynya's death - why not self-sacrifice? The yaga also delivered ammunition regularly. She surrendered herself to the Busurmans to get this company out of the dungeon.

              It’s like in a bad film adaptation of a good novel - much remains behind the scenes and we just don’t know the true reasons for the actions of the “heroes”.
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 5 January 2018 11: 31
                +5
                I don’t know if you watched the movie.

                So, in the film, each has its own personal goals.
                For example, Koschey wants to restore his power, and the last hero to return home.
                Watery wants a woman.

                So all the heroes of Russian fairy tales became sharply negative characters, and the evil itself became sacrificial and positive.

                The classic Overton window through which all sorts of nonsense is poked showing white-black and black-white.

                I am not surprised that soon we will also have giraffes gouged out in public at zoos.

                But I liked the film itself, watched it with pleasure, and if you do not delve into the essence, the film is excellent!

                On the other hand, who are we to stop Comrade Soros from designing a new society ?!
        2. ver_
          ver_ 8 January 2018 09: 37
          0
          ... so these beautiful * Vasilises * men and harasses - pennies, business and an apartment * will be unfastened * and they will let them go naked around the world ... or else they will * order * ..
      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 23
        10
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        It seems that the Besogonos again woke up ????????????????????????

        no, the author is 200 percent unfortunately
        in my childhood there were a lot of fairy tales, and they TEACHED THE RIGHT things, the keyword taught
        and now they can be counted on the fingers and they don’t teach them - ENTERTAINMENT
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 5 January 2018 20: 59
          +6
          Normally, they taught that the people replaced their homeland for chewing gum. laughing
          No, everyone seemed to be saying the right thing, but why did people choose yesterday - capitalism? I’m not available.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 6 January 2018 03: 13
            +1
            Quote: Doliva63
            Normally, they taught that the people replaced their homeland for chewing gum.

            Well yes! If you consider that you are Valentin Vladimirovich, a political commander and at the same time a specific starball player. Piled up from the army as soon as the smell of fried. What you taught the fighters, it turned out!
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 6 January 2018 18: 15
              +7
              During the year of his political leadership in the reconnaissance landing company, among other things, he set the true path for several soldiers who walked on the edge, so to speak. Someone later went through Chechnya, someone made a career in other state agencies. Ask, for example, Misha Sorokopuda. He will tell you what a starbolder I am laughing
              And from the army he "piled" on disability, alas, from a command post.
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 7 January 2018 02: 04
                0
                Quote: Doliva63
                For the year of his membership in the reconnaissance landing company

                Special Propaganda Department Translator,
                translator of the military prosecutor’s office,
                intelligence chief of a motorized rifle battalion / commander of a reconnaissance platoon, commander of an air assault platoon,
                Instructor for airborne training (for military-technical training, tactical reconnaissance of the Airborne Forces and Airborne Special Forces),
                commander of a separate army company SPN,
                deputy intelligence chief of the army corps.

                Yeah, from the politicals with horseradish health ...
                Part number 83086, Germany
                June 1989 - July 1990
                Part number 58447, Germany
                August 1987 - July 1989

                This is your battle path.
                Quote: Doliva63
                And from the army he "piled" on disability, alas, from a command post.

                Well yes...

                Damn ... And where did the shell shock go? Seen in the office forgot ...
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 7 January 2018 19: 06
                  +6
                  In b / w 58447, I was the year under-political. There he later moved to a command post. He performed duties in the prosecutor’s office and special propaganda, but did not hold any position - on a voluntary basis, so to speak laughing Pay extra only for the "language", sort of. And for the part it’s beneficial to have connections in such “bodies”, if something suddenly laughing
                  And why suddenly "worthless health"? CCM in Belarus - from poor health, or what ?! belay Or a night on the foothills under 70 km? It was excellent health! drinks
                  Another thing is that once a piece of iron gutted the skull, it was replaced with protacrylic. And there was a choice - to go to hell (to civilian) or look in the army for a place where you could serve with a plastic head. Such places were - it is clear where. I even served there a little, but I’ve seen enough of it that they’re still not shown in the movies laughing Because he waved his hand. So I didn’t forget anything in the “office”. If interested, I’ll tell you another four-thread. laughing drinks
                  1. Timeout
                    Timeout 8 January 2018 10: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    And why suddenly "worthless health"? CCM in Belarus - from poor health, or what ?! Or a night on the foothills under 70 km? It was excellent health!

                    Interesting of course ... CCM in Belarus, did you write it yourself? The Federation in Eburg exists only in 1995, appeared in the USSR in only 1986, and you simply could not certify you because you were not in Eburg. So brown chevron, not your song ... And about health -
                    Well, to verify the testimony, the truth as they say in detail.
                    Your opinion:

                    And someone else's opinion:
                    Something you even have different barracks ...
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 8 January 2018 21: 15
                      +4
                      Podzadolbal already. No federation had any relation to military-applied sports. laughing I received all my categories in the army - RB, parachuting, shooting, kettlebell, running, OKU 32 strip. By the way, we also included shooting and running in parachuting, which is not in any "federation", but I had " Gradebook athlete-skydiver, "as a civilian, but others are recorded laughing Not to be confused with the "Personal book of accounting for parachute jumps" - there were only jumps on the airborne landing program.
                      Before the RVC, he got injured in a fight, so they "stabbed" him, what's so surprising? belay Brass knuckles is a dangerous thing.
                      As for the 32 RDR barracks, the building itself was 4 stories high. On the 3rd floor, as I said, there were sleeping quarters, an armory, a warehouse and classes of Realists, whom the given fighter did not find simply (it’s interesting to know the surname, by the way), officers' cells, we had a secret, we had battalion headquarters, and a financial service and the office of the battalion commander. And above us - the gym and classes of radio operators and other crap, which Athenogenov and I built, before us there was some kind of viper.
                      Nice to refresh your memory! laughing drinks
                      My humble person is not tired yet? In addition to 58447 in the GSVG, I had 2 more duty stations, and then, in the Union, 3 more.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 7 January 2018 20: 18
            0
            Quote: Doliva63
            Normally, they taught that the people replaced their homeland for chewing gum.

            I correctly understood that you swore the oath for chewing ?!
      7. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 5 January 2018 13: 38
        +1
        This is just the beginning. You wake up when you walk in Red Square in a torchlight procession in honor of Dr. Vlasov. Your children will kick you after such films.
      8. yousha1980
        yousha1980 9 January 2018 00: 21
        0
        Let's say they saw, but what will they do? Do not let go? Such a screech will rise that censorship, constrain freedom of speech, etc. And serious people must have invested.
        The next step to "universal values." Overton's window for desacralization.
    2. Awaz
      Awaz 4 January 2018 16: 00
      26
      You exaggerate Mih. In Russian mythology, all the goodies are always a little lazy sloppy, not like fools, but simple without grip without anger. Therefore, in the cartoon - everything is fine.
      In Cinema about the last hero - everything is much worse. The author of the text clearly noticed the points. I agree with him. There is nothing anti-Russian there, but the Russian spirit does not smell there either. Everything is neutral as under the white flag of the IOC ...
      1. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 4 January 2018 16: 15
        18
        Quote: AwaZ
        There is nothing anti-Russian there, but the Russian spirit does not smell there either. Everything is neutral as under the white flag of the IOC ...

        No, the film just “hits” where it should be. Here the "principle of salami" is used: it is necessary to cut into thin slices so that it is not noticeable that the sausage is reduced. It is clear that there was only one intent - to “cut down the money”, but at the same time to get “nishtyaki” in the form of blackening our foundations.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 4 January 2018 17: 06
        +6
        Quote: AwaZ
        The author of the text clearly noticed the points. There is nothing anti-Russian there, but the Russian spirit does not smell there either. Everything is neutral as under the white flag of the IOC ...

        And I agree! How "on purpose", this morning showed "on the telly" of the very same ... "The Last Knight"! I rushed to the “telly” to see ... (the granddaughter “advised”!), At the same time he was upset that “not from the very beginning” ... But he soon realized that he had not lost anything! The film could be watched ..... and you don’t have to watch! A movie of the category: 1. Neither one nor the other; 2. Neither fish nor meat; 3. Neither to yourself nor to people; 4. Half-way half; 5. Not a pi ..... , neither to the Red Army .... !!! In general ...: neither "good" nor "bad ... not calling anywhere, not teaching anything ... fresh, but with beer and Korean YangBAN chips "pull" .....
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 4 January 2018 17: 32
          +5
          PS By the way, today ... (Yol-Paly, not today!) I watched the movie "Upward Movement." I liked the film: dynamic, does not let you get bored, informative ... patriotic (when Soviet basketball players were in the film at the last 3 seconds of the game throw the winning ball, slammed in the cinema). Of course, as always there will be people who, as always, will find something to complain about ... where is it "tepericha" without this (!) ... but I still advise everyone to watch this film. With "Komsomol" greetings, your Nikolaevich! wink
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 24
        +2
        Quote: AwaZ
        Therefore, in the cartoon - everything is fine

        abnormally, all the latest cartoons were shot on western patterns
    3. populist
      populist 4 January 2018 16: 06
      13

      Mih1974
      Well, actually the "magnification" of the heroes, as epic heroes, began back with the cartoon "about the heroes"

      For all these anti-cultural phenomena, a couple of questions arise.
      1. By themselves so swine am it turns out all these films, TV shows and other obscenity or purposefully.
      2. And if not by itself, then there must be some kind of installation, some distribution centers of them, some kind of performers and connections between them.
      The answer to the first question will be yes and no. For some of the figures in anti-culture, all kinds of abominations come out by themselves. They just follow the mainstream.
      But there are people working purposefully.
      And consequently, there are centers, installations, and roofs in various levels of bureaucratic organizations. (Answer to the second question) There is also a third component of all these extremely dangerous phenomena. These are individuals who create all indecency according to their convictions, so to speak, according to "the call of their heart."
      The main background of all these anti-national and anti-cultural actions and events is Russophobia, widespread and almost dominant in our society. Putin recently thanked the Ministry of Culture for the “successes” in cinema. bully
      1. your1970
        your1970 6 January 2018 11: 08
        0
        the formula "...., the youngest was simply d.urak" does not evoke anything? Have you ever wondered why Ivan d.urak is necessary? People did not come up yesterday, but in the century before last ...
        "Mincult of the cursed" in nature has not yet been
    4. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 4 January 2018 18: 04
      10
      Quote: Mih1974
      Conspirological theory is weak, against the background of what the West is doing with itself

      in order to educate a nation capable of exhibiting a combat-ready army, it is necessary to cultivate a sense of self-sacrifice. Without a sacrifice of something of his own, for the sake of a social good, there are no heroes.
      In the film, the hero is not sacrificing a hero, a man, but a girl. She boldly and skillfully rushes at the enemy. And the hero couldn’t even dispose of the gun. A shame. Why is a girl asked such a hero ??? The film really contributes to the collapse of society. It does not show what you need to be, but just the opposite. In a beautiful package - a harmful product
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 4 January 2018 18: 44
        +5
        A video from YouTube about this film "A Tale where Good is Swapped with Evil."
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 4 January 2018 20: 04
      10
      The protagonist is a rogue and a swindler (healer-predictor), fleeing from deceived clients, accidentally falls into a fairy tale with the same rogues. What is the point of this kinoblevotina! belay
      1. populist
        populist 4 January 2018 20: 26
        12
        siberalt
        What is the point of this kinoblevotina!

        There is a huge sense in this film-mumble and the goal is crucial for the enemies of Russia. The idea is to destroy normal heroes in the popular consciousness and to plant scoundrels and bastards in their place.
        Heroes are role models, moreover, unconscious. Unknowingly will imitate the scum and bastards. Thus, the morality of the population will radically change for the worse.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 5 January 2018 00: 42
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        What is the point of this kinoblevotina!

        There is no sense in entertaining cinema, the main thing is that "people hawala". What is the meaning of the “film vomit” about a drunk who accidentally leaves for Leningrad after drinking in a bath on New Year's Eve with the same drunks ?.
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 5 January 2018 11: 59
          +4
          In the film with "Enjoy Your Bath", at least there are no epic heroes who were vulgarized.

          And the plot of the film is that friends gathered in the bath for the New Year sang one of their friends, perhaps on purpose!

          As a result, the hero of the film found his woman and the meaning of life.

          Although her other boyfriend lost a woman, but unlike the main character, he is not a rag and will be able to find another.

          If you watch the films of our partners, then there you will not meet the cowardly King Arthur or cursing at enemies, as in the latest films about the Second World War.

          Enemies are stupidly brutally killed without sex or other love affairs.
          For example, in a comic book film about Dr. Manhattan, one of the heroes stupidly kills a pregnant Vietnamese and goes on to drink whiskey, while the doctor himself burns the Vietnamese soldiers who are completely distraught with fear.

          And we have all sorts of fussing and sloppiness, that there is no need to punish enemies, we must negotiate and make friends with them.
          Well, like Kolya from Urengoy%)

          As a result, skinning and betrayal will flourish in our society, and such a society will be noticeably easier to manage from outside.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 5 January 2018 12: 10
            +1
            Quote: Krabik
            If you watch the films of our partners, then there you will not meet the cowardly King Arthur or cursing at enemies, as in the latest films about the Second World War.

            This is not so, for example, in films such as Troy or Bravehearted rulers who united the country are shown by extremely negative characters and there are many such examples.
            There is a movie called Abraham Lincoln the Vampire Hunter, but you won’t find a movie like Ivan the Terrible vs. the Zombies.
            1. Krabik
              Krabik 5 January 2018 20: 50
              +1
              Troy American history for you ?!

              Take the Americans or the British as an example, they will disgrace the rest with pleasure.

              And when you give an example of Lincoln, read his story and everything will fall into place;)
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 5 January 2018 12: 13
            +1
            Quote: Krabik
            As a result, the hero of the film found his woman and the meaning of life.

            In "The Last Bogatyr" it also makes sense, you either did not understand it or simply did not watch the film to the end.
            1. woron333444
              woron333444 5 January 2018 15: 42
              +4
              I have a feeling from the comments that no one watched the film, but shit on the fan must be thrown, otherwise it is not "patriotic."
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 16: 03
                0
                I watched - a movie fun, but definitely better than "mochi"
          3. dSK
            dSK 5 January 2018 16: 08
            +2
            Hello, Alexander!
            Quote: Krabik
            As a result, skinning and betrayal will flourish in our society,
            You as a programmer are well aware that tiny, inconspicuous virusif it is missed by the “antivirus program” it can “encode” or erase all the information on the server into powder or even arrange a short circuit and burn the “iron”. Yes, in Russia there are more and more modern ICBMs, SU, MIG, IL, Armat, but they are controlled by living people. hi
            1. Krabik
              Krabik 5 January 2018 16: 38
              +1
              I think so, if our society does not have the task of building or changing the future, as it was under Lenin, who built communism, then those who are building should not be disturbed.

              And then we are like dogs in the manger, we only eat and poop ourselves, but we do not allow Comrade Soros to build an asexual society.
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 5 January 2018 21: 07
                +4
                As I recently heard, citizen Soros is no longer “building” anything. drinks
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 6 January 2018 00: 27
                  +1
                  Yes, fear God, you still say that our favorite comrade Brzezinski is not with us.
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 6 January 2018 18: 19
                    +4
                    Yeah, Trump says that the citizen played too much laughing
    6. your1970
      your1970 6 January 2018 11: 06
      0
      the formula "The younger one was simply" does not evoke anything? Have you ever wondered why Ivan is necessary? The people came up not yesterday, but in the century before last ...
      1. dSK
        dSK 6 January 2018 14: 04
        +1
        Hello Sergey!
        Quote: your1970
        Do not wonder why Ivan
        widespread name comes from John the Baptistbaptized Jesus Christ.
        .
        Luke 2: 6-13 "When they were there, it was time to give birth to Her; and she gave birth to her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the hotel. In that country there were shepherds on the field who kept night watch by their flock. Suddenly the Angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone upon them; and were afraid of great fear. And the angel said unto them, Fear not; I declare to you the great joy that will be to all people: 11for now a Savior was born to you in the city of David, who is Christ the Lord; and here is a sign for you: you will find the Baby in swaddling clothes lying in a manger. And suddenly an angel appeared with an angel, a large army of heaven, glorifying God and calling out: glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will in people! " hi
    7. SERGUS
      SERGUS 8 January 2018 15: 09
      0
      Quote: Mih1974
      Well, actually the "magnification" of the heroes, as epic heroes, began with the cartoon "about the heroes."

      Well, I do not agree with this, even if in the cartoon they are shown somewhere funny, etc. but there they are together and on the side of good, but in the "last hero" to put Dobrynya on the side of evil, that’s not good am
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 4 January 2018 15: 18
    +8
    And why did the moderators miss the word in the article ... well, the dog is feminine? We, for him make comments ... I won’t say anything about this film yet - I’ll see, maybe I’ll shoot myself, although fantasy is not my favorite genre.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 4 January 2018 15: 35
      +3
      repeat
      well, the dog is feminine

      Is it a shame? Be patient, you're a big boy. Almost a warrior. repeat
      And do not envy. Just how many fleas I have, they will soon be seized before death, because they violated discipline. And AUTHORS ... so they are authors, to wake the good-eternal in you. Say thanks to them. Do you want, so swearing, only you will have to live .... Do you need this?
    2. Fitter65
      Fitter65 4 January 2018 15: 38
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And why did the moderators miss the word in the article ... well, the dog is feminine

      And they turned me off for such a week ...
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 4 January 2018 18: 20
        0
        Quote: Fitter65
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And why did the moderators miss the word in the article ... well, the dog is feminine

        And they turned me off for such a week ...

        the female dog, or can be in English, for English will not be turned off.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 4 January 2018 20: 09
      0
      Do not forget that we have people in the spree for 10 days by decision of the Government. laughing
    4. spirit
      spirit 5 January 2018 12: 33
      +2
      Here fantasy is less than in the "masterpiece" of Crimea lol
  3. Horst78
    Horst78 4 January 2018 15: 19
    +9
    Something on the VO has become too much criticism of domestic cinema. That "Crimea" did not please, then the "Viking", etc. And what were all the great films in the Union? Percent of 75-80 frankly "passing", for show "We have films, directors, actors, etc.".
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 4 January 2018 15: 23
      14
      But how much is left - we are still reviewing. And how many good domestic films can be called since the 90s? What percentage?
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 4 January 2018 15: 26
        0
        Quote: Korsar4
        But how much is left - we are still reviewing.

        In my opinion, no more than 20 films were filmed per year.
        Quote: Korsar4
        And how many good domestic films can be called starting from the 90's? What percentage?

        No more 1-3x I think.
        1. Ferra
          Ferra 4 January 2018 17: 13
          +6
          Quote: Horst78
          In my opinion, no more than 20 films were filmed per year.

          Seriously over 100 in the 70s.
        2. Esoteric
          Esoteric 5 January 2018 15: 20
          +2
          Quote: Horst78
          No more 1-3x I think.

          More ... “Brother”, “Brother-2”, “Come see me”, “War”, “Stormy Gates”, “Brest Fortress”, “Voroshilovsky shooter”, “Purgatory” ... There are no children's films. No childhood - no films.
          1. would
            would 6 January 2018 15: 47
            +2
            "Purgatory"


            If "Purgatory" is that nevzorovsky nonsense, then this excuse me a rare vomit pamphlet. Of course, the first Chechen war was not a well-conducted war, but what the surreal nonsense of a madman showed in the film.
    2. avt
      avt 4 January 2018 15: 26
      +3
      Quote: Horst78
      Something on the VO has become too much criticism of domestic cinema. That "Crimea" did not please, then the "Viking", etc.

      Here
      Quote: Horst78
      etc.

      As well as the notorious
      Quote: Horst78
      "Viking"

      perfectly disassembled ,, Goblin "didn’t look. He was fortunate enough just now to entogo, the" hero "of the last to look. Well, in general, the game of the actors was amused by the Particularly Woodpeckers seem to be in Dobryn and Vodyanaya. And most of all in this ,, Russian neo-bylina "the s-a-tariff soundpieces were sticking out on a s-a-atarin, epic aglitsky mov! bully So I’ll better look at the series “Vikings”, although they already launched the plot in version 5 in a circle. After a second trip to Paris, it all went fine.
    3. Mih1974
      Mih1974 4 January 2018 15: 28
      +6
      And in your opinion this is the "problem"? Maybe all the same, "at the conservatory" something can be fixed, but no matter how the "Russian film" is, it is "processed food" (shit). Something for a long time not to see either "love and pigeons", "captive captive" or "and the dawns here are quiet." sad . Even such funs as "the adventure of the Italians in Russia" and then do not take off.
    4. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 4 January 2018 15: 33
      +5
      Horst78 Today, 15:19 PM
      And you watch films of the USSR. Just put it on the shelves: today I’m looking at Stalin’s, tomorrow Khrushchev’s, after tomorrow Brezhnev’s .... Maybe clever thoughts will start in my head, not liberal crap.
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 4 January 2018 15: 38
        0
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Maybe smart thoughts in the head will start, and not liberal crap.

        For the first time they called me a liberal. Surprised and wary laughing hi
    5. albert
      albert 4 January 2018 17: 46
      +3
      Quote: Horst78
      then there’s too much criticism of Russian cinema at VO. That "Crimea" did not please, then the "Viking", etc.

      It’s necessary to ask such questions to the Medinsky ministry. On other sites, not at VO, the Russian “Gano” (language doesn’t turn it into a kin), they swear so that the dust flies!
    6. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 4 January 2018 20: 58
      +2
      But in the Union, even if at least 30% of the standing films were, but how much in present-day Russia? Probably the fingers of one hand are enough to count.
    7. ZAV69
      ZAV69 4 January 2018 22: 08
      +6
      There were passing films in the union. There were. But there were a lot of masterpieces. But now there are no masterpieces, consumer goods in half with ideological sabotage. Reception of diversion is done by leading directors whom the Ministry of Culture unfastens in full measure. Films that are not sabotage and consumer goods released over the past 25 years can be counted on the fingers of one hand
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 5 January 2018 15: 27
        0
        Quote: ZAV69
        There were passing films in the union. There were. But there were a lot of masterpieces.

        Back in the days of the USSR, films were divided into categories: historical, science fiction, military, comedy, children's, adventure ... Now more and more crime or according to our "bored life". By the way, who doesn’t like Leviathan there? Everything about the province is right there ... Or "Shirley-myrli" ... Grotesque, but very similar ...
  4. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 4 January 2018 15: 29
    14
    The film was watched personally, sucks! A typical office plankton is shown. So shamelessly defame the epic heroes, you must really try. This is the essence of most of the modern youth.
  5. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 4 January 2018 15: 32
    +8
    Yes, there are questions for the film. On the landscapes, they are not ours, they are not Russian. Well, after all, a fictional country, Belogorye. Although they could certainly find something with us. Against this background, English-language songs sound. It kind of pinched me. About The absence of the population, the inner world, so to speak, is correctly said, too. But in general, the movie was on the solid four. Many from my environment liked it. And the reviews are mostly positive. But it could be worse. You know what and how our films are being filmed now "artists." Yes, I’m talking about another “masterpiece” by Pimanov, I’ve heard much more criticism. Immeasurably more. However, I myself haven’t watched 'Crimea.' ”He has plans for me the other day. Just believe me, it’s not so bad with this“ Bogatyr ”
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 5 January 2018 15: 35
      0
      Quote: Volozhanin
      Just believe me, not everything is so bad with this “Hero”

      Of course not everything. In general, the film does not look like a whole, but is perceived as a series of episodes selected according to the general plot. The screenwriter worked poorly money. And so ... What difference does it make for a fairy tale where Good should defeat Evil? Even if the appearance of the heroes does not always correspond to our childhood memories ...
    2. woron333444
      woron333444 5 January 2018 15: 47
      +2
      And you will go to the Altai mountains and compare the landscapes. I had the feeling that they were filming in Altai.
  6. ImPerts
    ImPerts 4 January 2018 15: 39
    +9
    I watched the film, funny)))
    And the problem here is not a mixture of styles and everything else)))
    The problem is that the state does not have an ideology and, accordingly, a state order for it. Therefore, all shit ... is funded.
    And "The Last Knight" is not the worst.
    1. vlad007
      vlad007 4 January 2018 16: 30
      0
      Quote: ImPerts
      The problem is that the state does not have an ideology and, accordingly, a state order for it.


      About the lack of ideology, many now speak constantly. I think that in a class society a common ideology is impossible. In the USSR, there was ideology, but there was a classless society.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 4 January 2018 17: 43
        +4
        Quote: vlad007
        I think that in a class society a common ideology is impossible

        Possible.
        What do you think is the ideological platform in the British Empire? If they even have the opposition called "the opposition of Her Majesty."
        1. vlad007
          vlad007 4 January 2018 18: 32
          0
          Quote: ImPerts
          What do you think is the ideological platform in the British Empire?

          And what is their ideological platform?
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 4 January 2018 20: 31
            +2
            Rule, Britain.
            Just do not enter into the discourse about the fact that the days of Pax Britannica are long gone)))
            Indeed, in the American class society there is an ideological support in the form of the American dream. And the United States, although it is nadir, it’s too early to talk about the destruction of Pax Americana)))
            1. vlad007
              vlad007 4 January 2018 20: 47
              +2
              Quote: ImPerts
              Rule, Britain.

              This is not an ideology, but a slogan.
              "Ideology is the totality of systematic ordered views that expresses the interests of various social classes and other social groups, on the basis of which the relationships of people and their communities to social reality are recognized and evaluated, or to each other".
              Examples of systemic views: "Man is friend to man, comrade and brother," "Die yourself, and help a comrade."
              Ideology, in my opinion, should shape relations between people. Now they talk and write a lot about the unification of society. Zakhar Prilepin, writer, in one of the programs said to whom it is clear: “And with whom to unite, with these?”
              1. ImPerts
                ImPerts 5 January 2018 05: 58
                +3
                Quote: vlad007
                Quote: ImPerts
                Rule, Britain.
                This is not an ideology, but a slogan.

                What is the difference between the slogan “Rule, Britain” and the slogans “Man is friend to man, comrade and brother”, “Die yourself, and help a comrade”? Or from "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?
                Quote: vlad007
                "Ideology is the totality of systematic ordered views that expresses the interests of various social classes and other social groups, on the basis of which the relationships of people and their communities to social reality or to each other are realized and evaluated."

                Wow...
                Did the guys not know?
                Ideology according to K. Marx - false consciousness, expressing the specific interests of a particular class, outstanding for the interests of the whole society.
                Ideology on K. Mannheim - a distorted reflection of social reality, expressing the interests of certain groups or classes, seeking to maintain the existing order of things; opposed to utopia.
                Ideology on A. A. Shagin - the class component of the state wealth management system, as well as (Philosophy + Political Economy + Sociology) & Method of Cognition.
                Ideology on Roland Bart - a modern metalanguage myth, a connotative system that ascribes indirect meanings to objects and socializes them.
                Ideology on Yanko V.A. Ideology - ideally - instruction (constellation of ideologies or rules).
                And you can add Lenka ...
                And beloved in the west Popper ...
                And you can isolate the ideology of the types. For example:
                Your favorite class (which is impossible)
                - capitalism;
                - Socialism;
                - Communism.
                Can be divided by political and social features:
                - Conservatism;
                - liberalism;
                - Fascism.
                One can in relation to the ethnic group:
                - Racism;
                - Nazism;
                - Nationalism ...
                And each will have a set of slogans to simplify understanding)))
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 28
        0
        Quote: vlad007
        I think that in a class society a common ideology is impossible

        as possible
      3. would
        would 6 January 2018 15: 53
        +1
        Was there a classless society in the USSR? And did I dream about the children of the party nomenclature and diplomats? Like the children from the villages?

        I especially remember the reaction to this "classless society" in the 80s, a young teacher teacher came to practice in the city to school. Before that, she lived in the village and the family only survived in the garden. There was a roar in the classroom, from the high school students who saw 5 gold rings on each finger and they were all in gold (not an exaggeration), from the school uniform seen, which we like to say now “was the same for everyone” and her mind-blowing shoes the jaw dropped, and the eyes turned into basins tore open the eye sockets. A girl from the village who tasted chocolates only from her salary, a girl who raised pigs and plowed in the garden, there was a cultural shock. Straight natural.

        In the USSR, at a certain stage, they were planning to build a classless society, maybe at a certain time even with positive dynamics, but classes could not even be, there was a social stratification.
        1. Prosha
          Prosha 7 January 2018 09: 39
          +1
          What is this fairy tale? What is the name and where can I read? Maybe you messed up the time? Just some kind of hypersensitive teacher. At all times they were even and were even, and even in "that distant time" everyone understood everything. And no one fainted.
          1. would
            would 7 January 2018 14: 52
            0
            Based on what you wrote, you didn’t live at that time and you can’t even imagine that before those who survived from the garden and bought one chocolate bar for a family just didn’t understand this because they didn’t see it in their village , in a small working town there was no real social stratification; they, having spawned, did not see such shoes and such gold. And that is why the first clashes with urban luxury ended in shock.

            But here you caught me in something. I heard this story not then, but exactly a few months ago, this teacher is now not even 40, and she has not been a teacher for a long time. But you would have seen her when she told you what shoes the city students were sitting in, you would have seen her eyes ... So many years have passed, and she still has a shock.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 7 January 2018 17: 49
              +2
              Quote: rait
              then before those that survived at the expense of the garden and bought one chocolate bar for a family with a salary

              in the 80s, the minimum wage was 80 rubles
              the price of a chocolate bar is about 80 kopecks to 1.2 rubles
              collective farmers lived just not very badly and the supply of the countryside was sometimes better than in the city, do not write such nonsense anymore
              and about gold and the like, I studied at a very prestigious school and God forbid the girls would be in gold and with makeup
              1. would
                would 8 January 2018 04: 06
                +1
                It’s immediately clear that you didn’t live at that time, but at the same time draw hasty conclusions that turn out to be wrong

                collective farmers lived just not very badly and rural supply


                1. Her parents were not collective farmers. That is why I did not say that she was from a collective farm or collective farmer.
                2. She is not from a collective farm or even a village. Officially, this settlement was called the "city", I call the village according to its current state at that time. Now it is a ghost village where a few old people in ruined low-rise wooden houses (they are called Stalin's there, I don’t know how right it is) live their lives. Officially, it is still a city where 13 thousand people live, they have added a new area where people really live and mainly work at the only large enterprise in the district, a cement plant.

                and about gold and the like, I studied at a very prestigious school and God forbid the girls would be in gold and with makeup


                If you studied in a Soviet school, then you would have seen that so many girls had gold even in such "villages". They gave their mothers to some, bought to others, because everyone wanted to please the children. But on average, everything was the same in such “villages”. And even there they tried to bring some other school uniform, more beautiful than you can buy in the city.

                But you do not want to explain to the blind what it is to see, to those who did not live at that time, not to explain how it was. Here for him, accustomed to modern luxury, chocolates from the salary (and why? After all, now you can buy 10 pieces from each salary, 10 children in families no longer exist, etc.) is nonsense, as well as the fact that no one saw good shoes in small towns because it was an import deficit, you’re used to it now that you can go to the store or write anything out of the Internet, if you had money. Earlier it was necessary to “get out”, and many specially traveled to the GDR (and not only), and after that they also came from there with round eyes and stories about how everything was fine, not like ours. So you have the life of a person of that time, "big nonsense", "such crap." I won’t persuade you because it’s useless, even if the former teacher herself tells you this in years, you still won’t believe it, but if you believe it, you won’t understand.

                Speaking of the “ear”, I still recall a photograph from an exhibition of light industry in Moscow. I don’t remember which year. There is a straight natural collective farmer from a natural collective farm (judging by the look) and with an open mouth looks at the exhibition ... in my stockings. Maybe pantyhose, I don’t remember exactly. But this is all "big nonsense" and "such crap." Like that.

                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 8 January 2018 09: 09
                  0
                  Quote: rait
                  It’s immediately obvious that you didn’t live at that time either

                  born in 72 year
                  Quote: rait
                  Her parents were not collective farmers. That is why I did not say that she was from a collective farm or collective farmer

                  then state farm
                  Quote: rait
                  You’re used to it now that you can go to the store or write anything out of the Internet, if you had money.

                  simple chocolate lay freely, do not tell fairy tales I beg you, there are enough people who lived with the union
                  Quote: rait
                  and many specifically in the GDR (and not only)

                  especially amused "specially traveled"
                  Quote: rait
                  It’s worth the natural collective farmer from the natural collective farm (judging by the look) and looks at the exhibition with her mouth open ...

                  so I’ll find such characters for you now, not only in the Russian Federation, but also in the USA and France
                  By the way, a photo of 59 year dior in Moscow is stupid, the country only departed from the war, unlike prosperous France
                  1. would
                    would 8 January 2018 09: 57
                    +1
                    born in 72 year


                    That is, if you believe this, then in 80 you were 8 years old, and 18 in 90. And you have such a bad memory that you forgot everything that was before 18? To such an extent that you don’t remember anything? Oh well.

                    simple chocolate lay freely, do not tell fairy tales I beg you, there are enough people who lived with the union


                    Naturally, when it became clear that you had gone wrong, you immediately misinterpreted my words, because I wrote to put it mildly not about chocolate, but clearly about shoes.

                    , as well as the fact that no one saw good shoes in small towns because it was an import deficit, because you’re used to it now that you can go to the store or write anything out of the Internet, if you had money.


                    Here is the full quote, Mr. Sovramshi.

                    especially amused "specially traveled"


                    Naturally amused you. After all, you are a child of the modern world where you go to any store and buy, there is no buy in the store on the Internet. You do not know that earlier, for example, in Bryansk for the winter it was impossible to just take and buy insulated rubber boots. They simply were not sold, but the whole Bryansk region was looking for. You are not familiar with such a word as "deficit."

                    You didn’t find that time and don’t know how those who went to the GDR always brought shoes from there and not only (and they went for it), but from Bryansk they specially went for things to Belarus, for example. I won’t even write about how from Bryansk (and not only) they went to Moscow specifically for shopping.

                    so I’ll find such characters for you now, not only in the Russian Federation, but also in the USA and France


                    Find a girl in Paris who has never seen stockings in her life? lol

                    Well let's say ... wait! You yourself wrote that I quote "crap".

                    as I understand it, you only know about the Union from messages from the "Ear", but how else can you write such crap


                    So let's decide: Either this is crap, or you will find it both in the USA and in France.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 January 2018 21: 43
                      0
                      Quote: rait
                      And you have such a bad memory that you forgot everything that was before 18?

                      you just have a fantasy even better
                      Quote: rait
                      Naturally, when it became clear that you had gone wrong, you immediately misinterpreted my words, because I wrote to put it mildly not about chocolate, but clearly about shoes.

                      your quote, what did not misinterpret ?!

                      Quote: rait
                      At the girl from the village who tried chocolates only from the salary

                      now about shoes
                      Quote: rait
                      because I wrote, to put it mildly, not about chocolate, but clearly about shoes

                      rural supply was not very bad, if in the city there were no jeans, it happened that they hung freely in the general store, so leave your nonsense
                      a simple example from the life of our friend was born and raised in a village now her 50 father spent all his life at the state farm mother is a milkmaid there, his father changed his cow farm bees with the union of 3 cars, and you write nonsense about shoes
                      Quote: rait
                      You didn’t find that time and don’t know how those who went to the GDR always brought shoes from there and not only (and they went for it)

                      fool didn’t go for it it was on the road
                      Quote: rait
                      Find a girl in Paris who has never seen stockings in her life?

                      I begin to doubt your mental abilities, especially after "STOCKINGS" laughing I myself often write with errors, such a problem, no one could defeat it, but coffee was always masculine
                      Quote: rait
                      So let's decide: Either this is crap, or you will find it both in the USA and in France.

                      that this is a “Dunu” in a scarf from a village, easily

                      zampolit of you as their famous substance bullet
                      1. would
                        would 9 January 2018 04: 48
                        0
                        your quote, what did not misinterpret ?!


                        Then you didn’t answer it, because there is a huge difference between “chocolates only from a salary” and “simple chocolate lying freely”.

                        didn’t go for it it was on the road


                        Once again, it’s clear that they didn’t just not live in the USSR, but never even talked to their older relatives. The purchase of scarce goods has been one of the main goals, always. And the deficit bought in the GDR is often recalled to this day, I personally saw women's shoes in good condition that have been worn for 20 years. GDR, scarce. And I heard a story about how they specially went for them and how this could not be bought in the USSR.

                        rural supply was not very bad, if in the city there were no jeans, it happened that they hung freely in the general store, so leave your nonsense
                        a simple example from the life of our friend was born and raised in a village now her 50 father spent all his life at the state farm mother is a milkmaid there, his father changed his cow farm bees with the union of 3 cars, and you write nonsense about shoes


                        It is immediately clear that they did not live under the USSR. You have a shortage of goods for which they ran and drove is "stupidity." That is, you are now claiming with a blue eye that all the memories from the USSR, mine, parents and other people, research are a lie, and you could buy GDR women's shoes in general stores? Did I understand correctly? laughing

                        That is, all these money changers, all these workshops, all these lines, all those who existed only because of the deficit ... did not exist because there was no deficit? lol

                        It seems to us, the old people who lived then, dreamed. And everyone else also dreamed. And you, a child of the Internet and a computer who have not seen a shortage and do not understand what it is, are now "breaking the covers."

                        But you will run away from the answer to this question as well as from this

                        So let's decide: Either this is crap, or you will find it both in the USA and in France.


                        And they sharply stated that you would find "Dunya" in a scarf from the village, "while initially they said that you would find one that looks at stockings with an open jaw.

                        I begin to doubt your mental abilities, especially after “STOCKINGS” laughing. I often write with errors myself, such a problem, no one could defeat it, but coffee was always masculine


                        1. You can’t argue with spelling.
                        2. Coffee or coffee was masculine. It was because these words are no longer in use. Coffee, purely by the basic rules of the Russian language, cannot be masculine, so everyone is tempted to talk about it on average (this is like Belarus and Belarus), but retrogrades tried to force the word coffee to be used in the form typical of the word coffee \ coffee, despite the word another. The Russian language and logic have won and now coffee is of the middle kind, and two of you for knowing the Russian language.
                        3. "Stockings" is the word used in colloquial language. With the same success, you can find fault with "Che", "in general", vocative case. All this is not in the dictionaries, which means "wrong."
            2. Prosha
              Prosha 7 January 2018 21: 05
              0
              By that time, I was already studying in a tank school and we had “individuals” from different regions of the Great Country, and I never heard the heresy that you described and later, when life really changed for the worse, I also did not meet such teachers, they nevertheless have a degree of phlegmatism higher than generally acceptable.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 7 January 2018 17: 38
          +1
          Quote: rait
          A girl from the village who tasted chocolates only from her salary, a girl who raised pigs and plowed in the garden, there was a cultural shock. Straight natural.

          as I understand it, you only know about the Union from messages from the "Ear", but how else can you write such crap
  7. viktorch
    viktorch 4 January 2018 15: 48
    +5
    filmets in the thread, there is nothing unnatural there, pure fun

    in comparison with the “historical” and “based on real events”: stalingrad, anticipations, Vikings and other high-budget slag, when I looked at the hero, I didn’t feel that someone poked me with a hot pin in my face.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 29
      0
      Quote: viktorch
      there was no feeling that someone was poking me in the face with a red-hot pin.

      maybe this is the problem ?!
  8. Fitter65
    Fitter65 4 January 2018 15: 52
    10
    The filmmakers did not want anything bad. They just wanted to entertain the audience and make money. There is nothing wrong with either. Moreover, the creators succeeded. They have talent

    And they have talent, you noticed correctly, you pointed to all inconsistencies, to all inconsistencies with legends and epics, to the egoist of the hero who found love for himself — you only missed one MA-A-A-ALENKY episode when Ivan returned to resuscitation to the boy and brought him living water ... THERE is he the main point of the film, and everything is superfluous, everything is so for the surroundings, let's take care of our neighbors, of those who we need now, here he is sending the film, and not debunking the legends. These are the experts who were looking for enemies in the 37th ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 30
      +1
      Quote: Fitter65
      .Here is the main point of the film

      remember the inter-girl?
      the message of the film was that she LOST ALL, only the girls saw saaavsem another
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 5 January 2018 09: 40
        +4
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        remember the inter-girl?
        the message of the film was that she LOST ALL, only the girls saw saaavsem another

        So you want to say that now all the boys in Svetlogorye will break? About the intergirl, not all the girls saw much more, everyone sees the message according to their understanding of the world. Moreover, it always changes with age.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 10: 22
          +1
          Quote: Fitter65
          So you want to say that now all the boys in Svetlogorye will break?

          you understand everything but for some reason you wanted to have a little fun
          Quote: Fitter65
          About the inter-girl, not all the girls saw everything else, everyone sees the message according to their understanding of the world.

          Yes?
          only now the story showed a completely different
  9. Lexus
    Lexus 4 January 2018 15: 53
    +5
    Modern Russian cinema, as well as world cinema, deserves nothing but gagging, alas.
    1. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 4 January 2018 21: 06
      +2
      I completely agree when I watch American films of the 50s and before the beginning of the 70s and the last decade, then we can say this is heaven and earth, now the main character in films is action, special effects, in a word, fun, not the mind. not a heart.
  10. RUSS
    RUSS 4 January 2018 15: 54
    +5
    "The Last Athlete" is the highest grossing film Russian film in the history of distribution !!!
    You can’t deceive the people, the film has collected a lot of positive reviews, this is probably one of the best fiction Russian films in recent post-Soviet years.
    By 2020, the release of "The Last Athlete 2" is planned, and in the future a whole series is possible, similar to the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise
    1. VladGashek
      VladGashek 4 January 2018 23: 23
      +2
      How many box office films we have experienced over the past 30 years. There were Indian Zits and Gitas, Latin American rich people who cry, just Mary and others, from whom the public was dragging along and the purses of creators and distributors swelled. So what. Where are these masterpieces now. So the last heroes are not an indicator of taste, but the triumph of kitsch. bad tastes and blvd. Instead of the people in Russia, a CROP is born, a brainless and dumb mass. There is no reason to admire this masterpiece.
  11. andr327
    andr327 4 January 2018 16: 03
    +1
    A film with the old truth: in all troubles, look for Clinton ...... a woman.
    And this is a fairy tale of amusement, in any fairy tale there should be a “brace”, but here they are dumb.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 31
      +1
      Quote: andr327
      And this is a fairy tale fun

      yeah? !!!!!!!
      you can see different tales we read
  12. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 4 January 2018 16: 07
    12
    C'mon - cool fantasy-epic look at the weekend
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 34
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      C'mon - cool fantasy-epic look at the weekend

      but I want this
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 14: 39
        0
        but I didn’t sing this, here was a link to the film of Koschei, bezesserious for 44 years!
        and what kind of ... gentlemen moderators
    2. Prosha
      Prosha 7 January 2018 09: 42
      +1
      You just need to shift the age limit from 14+ and everything will fall into place: a simple TNT movie for the weekend)
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 January 2018 16: 19
    +8
    He who seeks will find. If he wants to find, with all the proletarian consciousness. A black cat in a black room ... And what about 28 Panfilov’s? But a great movie. And this is just a fairy tale. And even then with a positive ending. "Svetozar" re-educated, saved the girl and died in Belogorye. The author is "five" for proletarian consciousness and vigilance. laughing
  14. AleBors
    AleBors 4 January 2018 16: 28
    +7
    Definitely a harmful film. The substitution of good by evil. From the very premiere, as I saw the announcement, and those who made this very ideological sabotage, I immediately realized, do not wait for good.
    Here is more detailed, there is nothing to add
    https://whatisgood.ru/tv/films/film-posledniy-bog
    atyir-2017 /
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 4 January 2018 18: 22
      +8
      Quote: AleBors
      Definitely a harmful film. The substitution of good by evil. From the very premiere, as I saw the announcement, and those who made this very ideological sabotage, I immediately realized, do not wait for good.

      in my opinion, "New Year's" Light "on" Channel One "is still worse than this little film ...
      1. AleBors
        AleBors 4 January 2018 18: 41
        +4
        I do not argue. There was a “twinkle” of blue ... Therefore, I watched the Spas TV channel in NG. And did not regret it.
      2. Svidetel 45
        Svidetel 45 4 January 2018 21: 13
        +6
        Yes, with “New Year's Lights” on Channel 1 there really is a disaster, there are so many interesting young performers at various competitive programs, but there is no progress on “Lights”, it seems that this channel is simply in the hands of some kind of mafia clan, which is from there you can’t stretch the Armata tank.
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 38
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        in my opinion, "New Year's" Light "on" Channel One "is still worse than this little film ...

        I watched a blue bird I enjoyed it a lot
    2. VladGashek
      VladGashek 4 January 2018 23: 28
      +1
      I agree. In this filmography of the Russian Federation, a change in the genetic-rational code of the people is traced. The conscious and purposeful policy of "Moses wandering the 40 people of Israel in the Sinai desert", so that those who knew the "delights of Egyptian slavery" would die out, and in our case, generations that knew the "horrors of socialism" would die out.
      1. Prosha
        Prosha 7 January 2018 09: 49
        +1
        In business !!! ... "The change of the genetic-rational code of the people" has been traced for 20 years already, but then the people only noticed that the fairy tale for not fully matured adults was to blame. We have already died out a generation of normal filmmakers who are able and willing to make good films for smart people. There are no more Bulls, Bondarchukov Art., Rostotsky and ...
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC 5 January 2018 00: 47
      +1
      Quote: AleBors
      Definitely a harmful film. The substitution of good by evil.

      Only from the point of view of the Christian pseudo-moral.
      1. xtur
        xtur 5 January 2018 01: 45
        +2
        > Only from the point of view of Christian pseudo-morality.

        and you have to be an advanced moral Buddhist / Hindu / Taoist / Gentile / Judaist?
        Threat. if anything, atheism is a form of paganism
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 5 January 2018 08: 11
          +1
          Quote: xtur
          and you have to be an advanced moral Buddhist / Hindu / Taoist / Gentile / Judaist?

          Any religion perverts morality, except those that are not organizations.
          Quote: xtur
          Threat. if anything, atheism is a form of paganism

          Only in your imagination.
          Quote: xtur
          Buddhist / Hindu / Taoist / Gentile / Judaist

          The same pagan pantheon, only on a global scale. Previously, there were perun, moraine, yarilo and others, but now God, Allah, Buddha and so on.
          1. AleBors
            AleBors 5 January 2018 09: 13
            +1
            And who do you worship? TV?
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 5 January 2018 09: 17
              +1
              Quote: AleBors
              And who do you worship?

              Why would they bow to someone or something?
              1. AleBors
                AleBors 5 January 2018 09: 38
                +2
                Well, there must be some moral and ideological foundations of life, since without these people are just animals.
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 5 January 2018 09: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: AleBors
                  Well, there must be some moral and ideological foundations of life, since without these people are just animals.

                  What does that worship have to do with anything?
                  1. AleBors
                    AleBors 5 January 2018 10: 00
                    0
                    Well, let's call it following certain principles if the word worship annoys you like that. Do you have these (principles) or are you just against Christianity in general?
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 5 January 2018 10: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: AleBors
                      Do you have these (principles) or are you just against Christianity in general?

                      I am against fanaticism in principle and religious in particular. As for Christianity, I will say this, atheists follow their principles - if they exist, and religious people do not - they only declare morality, but do not observe - God will forgive.
                      1. AleBors
                        AleBors 5 January 2018 15: 08
                        0
                        You simply do not know what Christianity is, as, in fact, other religions. And judge everyone strictly by yourself. It’s sad.
                2. woron333444
                  woron333444 5 January 2018 15: 55
                  +1
                  AleBors Do not make yourself an idol.
                  1. AleBors
                    AleBors 5 January 2018 16: 47
                    0
                    What are you talking about? Or just decided to shine with something? So the second commandment says something else: "Do not make yourself an idol and no image of what is in the sky above, and what is on the earth below, and what is in the water below the earth."
                    http://dishupravoslaviem.ru/obyasnenie-zapovedi-n
                    e-sotvori-sebe-kumira /
                    Learn ...
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 41
                +2
                Quote: KaPToC
                Why would they bow to someone or something?

                free man is absolute evil
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 5 January 2018 09: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  free man is absolute evil

                  Since when?
                  1. AleBors
                    AleBors 5 January 2018 10: 01
                    +1
                    From the old. Free from all life principles and fundamentals - perfect evil.
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 5 January 2018 10: 14
                      +3
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      free man is absolute evil

                      Quote: AleBors
                      From the old. Free from all life principles and fundamentals - perfect evil.

                      What a two-faced distortion?
                      Are you talking to yourself?
                      Quote: AleBors
                      Free from all life principles and foundations
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 14: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: KaPToC
                        What a two-faced distortion?
                        Are you talking to yourself?

                        doesn’t it limit you?
                        no taboos?
                        no principles ?!
                      2. AleBors
                        AleBors 5 January 2018 15: 09
                        0
                        This is me about you. You stand for freedom. From everything. Something like this
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 10: 25
                    0
                    since those
                    if a person has lost norms and prohibitions then ...
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 5 January 2018 10: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      since those
                      if a person has lost norms and prohibitions then ...

                      I will draw your attention
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      free man is absolute evil

                      Where is it about the rules and prohibitions? Express your thoughts correctly - and you will have Happiness. A man free from violence, theft and betrayal - is it evil from your point of view?
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 14: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: KaPToC
                        Where is it about the rules and prohibitions? Express your thoughts correctly - and you will have Happiness.

                        you would understand to learn and you will be happy
                        Freedom - the state of the subject in which he is the determining cause of his actions, that is, they are not directly determined by other factors, including natural, social, interpersonal-communicative and individually generic
          2. xtur
            xtur 25 January 2018 21: 51
            0
            > Any religion perverts morality, except for those that are not an organization.

            you do not even know how to express your thoughts correctly in Russian, and you’re still in Mamardashvili’s

            Everything you said is such nonsense that there is not even a desire to waste time commenting on it
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 25 January 2018 22: 48
              0
              Quote: xtur
              Everything you said is such nonsense that there is not even a desire to waste time commenting on it

              And still spent ???
              Quote: xtur
              Any religion perverts morality, except those that are not organizations.

              you don’t understand because Russian is not your native language. I will explain about religions and organizations. ALL religious organizations are created with non-religious goals (money, power, influence, and more often all together), and caring for souls is something that no religion does.
              1. xtur
                xtur 29 January 2018 16: 05
                0
                > And still spent ???

                serious comment can take up to an hour

                > ALL religious organizations were created for non-religious purposes (money, power, influence, and more often all together), and taking care of souls is something that no religion does.

                there is one religious organization - Church, there are no others like that, and it turns out that your position is exclusively anti-Christian. And it’s not for you, with your literacy level, at least in this matter, to judge who created the Church, and for what purpose.
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 29 January 2018 17: 44
                  0
                  Quote: xtur
                  And it’s not for you, with your literacy level, at least in this matter, to judge who created the Church, and for what purpose.

                  Well, certainly not Christ.
                  It’s clear that there’s nothing to tell you, therefore it’s time to get personal, of course, who I am is just a simple hard worker, whose labor paid for the “struggle for souls and wallets.” Yes, and what can you say? You cannot refute me.
      2. AleBors
        AleBors 5 January 2018 09: 13
        +1
        Do you have the true morality of a liberal? List the principles of your morality?
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 39
        +1
        Quote: KaPToC
        in terms of Christian pseudo morality.

        ?!
        and what do you think is not pseudo-moral?
        FAQ? !!!!!
        or the law of the chicken coop? !!!!
  15. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 4 January 2018 16: 35
    +7
    I almost got blood from my eyes while I read laughing
    “The landscapes of the film are taken directly from The Lord of the Rings. These are not typical Russian landscapes. Mountains” (c) The area is called B-e-l-o-G-O-R-e. Here is what to dig to? Little everything baryozok author? am
    In general, it’s funny.
  16. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 4 January 2018 16: 38
    +5
    Quote: AleBors
    Definitely a harmful film. The substitution of good by evil. From the very premiere, as I saw the announcement, and those who made this very ideological sabotage, I immediately realized, do not wait for good.
    Here is more detailed, there is nothing to add
    https://whatisgood.ru/tv/films/film-posledniy-bog
    atyir-2017 /

    Definitely harmful. It would be necessary to prohibit the scrapes from breaking in normal people! laughing
  17. HEATHER
    HEATHER 4 January 2018 17: 13
    +8
    On IN a stupid movie! However! Maybe soon we’ll start discussing Masha with the bear? Where are we going? Moderators! Better just stick the movie-Storm. A military site, or already so-so? Well, you are doing it. Destroy the best. Eh-you, warriors ... Trashing on the site is immeasurable. Ban the sensible ones. What are you thinking about? About the transition to cartoons? Hold the bar, guys. Either you are too smart, or you just turned on the fool. You shouldn’t be so.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 4 January 2018 17: 25
      +3
      Quote: VERESK
      Trash on the site-nemeryanno. Banite sensible.

      good
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 4 January 2018 17: 27
        +3
        VO pays no attention to this. It’s the same as the shelling of Khmeimim. They can’t say anything. Only from the left sites the news is being thrown off. B-be serious. Created a site, answer honestly. Recently, you are a little tired. Pass on yours to ours. Dumb too.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 09: 46
      +5
      Quote: VERESK
      Can we start soon and discuss Masha with the bear?

      maybe it's time
      Quote: VERESK
      Where are we flying?

      unfortunately into the abyss
      the official presidential candidate of RUSSIA drunk dances on the threshold of an Orthodox church, Russian banks refuse to serve the Russian army and contain admirers of Bandera, Russian students apologize to the descendants of rapists and murderers
      Quote: VERESK
      Military site or already so-so? Well you do. Break the best. Oh, you, warriors ...

      military only if they tell children that defending their homeland is stupid, then tomorrow there will be no war, only managers will remain
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 5 January 2018 10: 04
        +6
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        a presidential candidate of RUSSIA in a drunken state dances on the threshold of an Orthodox church

        Are you talking about Ksyushad, probably? laughing
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Russian banks refuse to serve the Russian army ...

        If this is about Alpha, then this lies not quite as you wrote ...
        And not “banks”, but “one bank”. Do not distort Feel the difference.

        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        ... and contain admirers of Bandera

        This is about Sber in Ukraine, probably?
        Chu-yu-yuyuyu ... Vladimir ... And I thought you were a man with taste request
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Russian schoolchildren apologize to the descendants of rapists and murderers

        Again - not "schoolchildren", but one schoolboy ...
        I don’t understand ... you laurels GardamirDo not give rest, or what? recourse
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 14: 36
          +2
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And not “banks”, but “one bank”. Do not distort. Feel the difference. So

          According to Standard & Poor's, the total capital of Russian banks in Ukraine ranges from 23 to 25 billion dollars. Of these, $ 8 billion are direct investments by parent institutions in their Ukrainian subsidiaries, and about $ 15-17 billion are loans issued in this country.
          At the end of 2016, seven banks with Russian capital were operating in Ukraine. These include Sberbank Ukraine and ViS Bank controlled by Sberbank. In addition, VTB Bank and BM-Bank are under the control of VTB Group. Prominvestbank is a subsidiary of Vnesheconombank. As well as Alfa Bank, which is part of Alfa Group, and Forward Bank, which is controlled by Russian Standard
          IMF Four-Year Financing Program $ 17,5 billion at what they got sort of like about 12
          "Feel the difference"
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          This is about Sber in Ukraine, probably?
          Chu-yu-yuyuyu ... Vladimir ... And I thought you were a man with taste

          that is, the money of the banks goes to the development of Russian-Ukrainian friendship? !!!
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          If this is about Alpha, then this lies is not quite the way you wrote ...

          WHAT A LIE IS SPECIFIC
          the bank in all heard said that in case of war he will take the side of the aggressor
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Are you talking about Ksyushad, probably?

          this is me about a registered candidate for the presidency of Russia
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Again - not "schoolchildren", but one schoolboy ...

          do not engage in sophistry, remind you how much the Wehrmacht staked
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          I don’t understand ... Gardamir’s laurels do not give you peace, or what?

          It's a shame for the Power
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 5 January 2018 15: 18
            +6
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            At the end of 2016, seven banks with Russian capital operated in Ukraine

            These banks there "funded" long before the advent of the junta.
            For any bank, the loss of a branch network (read, customers) is a tragedy. "Song of the goats", translated from Greek, by the way.
            Anderstend?
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            WHAT A LIE IS SPECIFIC

            Here it is, for example:
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            ... the bank, in all heard, said that in case of war he will take the side of the aggressor

            belay
            Alpha said (merely) that will not work with UVZ due to sanctions, no more.
            The funny thing is that Alpha is not included in the list of banks that are allowed to work with public defense funds:
            As of 18.04.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX, the list has been updated.
            authorized banks that meet the criteria of Article 8.1 of the Federal Law of December 29, 2012 No. 275-FZ “On the State Defense Order”.

            1. JSC "AB" RUSSIA "
            2 Bank GPB (JSC)
            3 PJSC Bank Saint Petersburg
            4 VTB Bank (PJSC)
            5 PAO Sberbank
            6 JSCB NOVIKOMBANK
            7 Bank "RRDB" (JSC)
            8 JSC "Agricultural Bank"


            Notice the alpha on this list NO.
            And on the same list as of November 2017 Alpha also no.
            That is Alpha does not want, and Alpha was not given... here is pichalka Alpha request
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            it's me about ...

            I well understood who you are talking about ... I repeat - this is Ksyushad, no more.
            Are you also responding to Zhirik, or are you used to it already? wink
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            ... how much it held ...

            "Supported" - it's still not
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Russian schoolchildren apologize to the descendants of rapists and murderers

            If this is not clear to you, then this is somewhere else ... cuckoo.
            And the boy was just used there, IMHO. Here is the organizer and it is necessary ... toad ... in full.
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            It's a shame for the Power

            Stainless all these problems - like an elephant grains.
            IMHO, you yourself have come up with a few "horror-horrors", and now in good faith fight with them.
            The only thing that justifies you, ahem, is that you are far from alone in your misconceptions aspirations.
            All IMHO, of course ...
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 16: 09
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              These banks there "funded" long before the advent of the junta.

              and who prevented them from curtailing their activities ?!
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Alpha said (just for that matter) that she would not work with UVZ due to sanctions, no more.

              the whole topic is closed, for you it is normal for me not
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              And the boy was just used there,

              and a kid at 16 dEbil dEbilom
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Stainless all these problems - like an elephant grains.

              that's because on the drum in the ear the victory banner is called a rag, schoolchildren turn yellow "innocent killed", and you think the norm is that a Russian bank takes the side of the enemy of Russia
              all the best to you
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 5 January 2018 16: 33
                +5
                I repeat:
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                You yourself have come up with several "horror-horrors", and now you are fighting them in good faith

                Well, what can I say - everyone has fun as he knows how request
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                all the best to you

                Have a nice one you too hi
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2018 16: 10
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              I repeat - this is Ksyushad, no more

              THIS IS A CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA
    3. Esoteric
      Esoteric 5 January 2018 15: 42
      +1
      Quote: VERESK
      What are you thinking about? About the transition to cartoons?

      Sometimes it’s more useful to watch Soviet and Russian cartoons than listen to a “political idle talk” about “Everything will be fine” or “Never lived like that and suddenly again” ...
  18. Wayfarer
    Wayfarer 4 January 2018 17: 17
    +5
    Most films are aimed at blurring Russian roots. Take the works of Bondarchuk: the 9th company or his last film is frank Russophobia. Hope is only a change of power, then it is only likely to put a barrier in the way of all this dirt.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 4 January 2018 17: 24
      +1
      Quote: Traveler
      : 9th company or his last film - frank Russophobia

      And what is the last one?
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 4 January 2018 17: 37
        +1
        [b] And the last one, which one? All. Sorry, but dibble movies.
      2. Wayfarer
        Wayfarer 4 January 2018 19: 39
        0
        Attraction
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  20. Taoist
    4 January 2018 17: 37
    +3
    Well, for some reason, my comment was thrown out of this article ... (I posted this article and there was originally an eyeliner and comment from me in the finale) - strange ...
    So about:
    And now (and long before) just the attack on archetypes. This world does not need heroes defenders of our world. This is "archaic" - you need a "new hero" - global like this world, not really understanding (and not wanting to understand) who he actually is and on whose side ... (on his own course) - and the saddest thing is that this is really not a conspiracy and it’s not the “English woman spoils” - this is the logic of the development of the world into which we have so much enthusiasm with such “enthusiasm”. Are you going to resist? and no one ... because it's just a mirror.
    1. xtur
      xtur 5 January 2018 01: 55
      0
      > and the saddest thing is that this is really not a conspiracy and not an "Englishwoman gadit" - this is the logic of the development of the world in which we, with such "entuzazizm", have gotten ourselves into a big way.

      there is no internal logic of development, because even the USSR was set up in full control of human development on the part of the CPSU (if you do not forget to re-read the works of the founder of this CPSU itself, it becomes quite obvious, because this was always said in plain text).

      The West is controlled not by the party, but by the network structure, because the party needs an incomparably greater degree of homogeneity. All of this deserves a separate discussion, because the people on the forum in such matters are much less knowledgeable than even usual in military subjects.
      We are talking about myths (the archetype is also a myth, only fundamental), about why they are needed by society, about the tools that they use to work with myths, about the place of myths in public life, and about the elites, their structure.
      Without such concepts, the topics raised are simply impossible to discuss in any productive way.
  21. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 4 January 2018 17: 49
    +5
    Quote: Fitter65
    The filmmakers did not want anything bad. They just wanted to entertain the audience and make money. There is nothing wrong with either. Moreover, the creators succeeded. They have talent

    And they have talent, you noticed correctly, you pointed to all inconsistencies, to all inconsistencies with legends and epics, to the egoist of the hero who found love for himself — you only missed one MA-A-A-ALENKY episode when Ivan returned to resuscitation to the boy and brought him living water ... THERE is he the main point of the film, and everything is superfluous, everything is so for the surroundings, let's take care of our neighbors, of those who we need now, here he is sending the film, and not debunking the legends. These are the experts who were looking for enemies in the 37th ...

    The best comment. Everything to the point. And the author in the furnace with "enemy-search" analytics. In general, why discuss movies on this resource? Admins, do not lose your mind at all. No more?
    1. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 4 January 2018 21: 20
      +7
      No. admins do not lose their minds, everything is right, moral, moral principles, the worldview of the citizens of the country and the combat effectiveness of the army are connected in the most direct way, if you do not understand this, then this is only your problem.
  22. Disorder
    Disorder 4 January 2018 18: 00
    +3
    The only problem is that I'm just a philologist, not a rocketeer.

    Yeah, the philologist. More like a dyed dumb Politpolit looks like.
  23. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 4 January 2018 18: 15
    +1
    This is not a question of censorship or scandal. This is a question of self-preservation instinct. Immunity. And we have from him, it seems, to hell so little.

    I join the author. The cowardly grandson of the hero, fleeing in difficult times, holding a sword in his hand - a nuclear weapon of Russian fairy tales !! not able to apply during the gun. According to his wife, this is generally a mockery of a modern person, how weak he is, weak and selfish. Moreover, it is spiritually weak. The only thing he does well is run away.
    I advise you to watch "He is a dragon" the best Russian film
    1. Wayfarer
      Wayfarer 4 January 2018 19: 44
      +3
      Quote: aybolyt678
      "He is a dragon"
      Are you serious? Russophobic hackwork mediocre. He began to look and did not rape himself, spoil the mood, why, abandoned this thing.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 4 January 2018 22: 41
        +1
        Quote: Traveler
        Russophobic hackwork mediocre. He began to watch and did not rape himself,

        it was necessary to inspect, at least the characters in the course of the plot develop, and even sacrifice themselves to a great and bright feeling, not at all according to Hollywood. And Evil is adequately punished, the only negative is happiness at the end is purely individual, but this is debatable
        1. Wayfarer
          Wayfarer 5 January 2018 04: 40
          +7
          Quote: aybolyt678
          I had to watch
          See what and why? That is the question. No need to watch this movie. Casting:
          1. The main character - an actress 24 years old, went through everything in her life, a dozen men tried, anyway. Where is girlish purity, innocence, inexperience? Namely, such a scenario should be the main character. There is nothing. Could not find the actress 16-18 years old? They didn’t just search, because complete mediocrity and hackers. Compare with the Courier, where actors 16 years old play their peers and the cult film.
          2. The girl’s father is a decrepit old man of 75 years belay belay belay If the girl is 18 years old according to the scenario, then how much should her father be? 18 + 25 = 43 years !!! In the area of ​​45 years there should be an actor, but not 75 years old. This is hack. The image of the father is deliberately belittled. Father is an omnipotent person, a defender from all misfortunes, but in the film, what do they bring us? An accident? No. Payment. Directed against the Russian people.
          3. Groom girls: Russian hero - the character is negative. Are they serious? Why is the Russian hero a negative character in a Russian fairy tale? Just like with epic heroes it turns out. In the bin this idea is undermining Russian roots.
          In a normal scenario, the girl’s bridegroom should be a foreigner, with a different religion and tradition. That is why the girl does not want to marry him and does not want to go to a foreign land.
          4. Well, the dragon guy. As you can guess in the Russophobian film, if the Russian knight is bad, then the dragon will not have a Russian appearance, but rather a Caucasian one, which is presented to us as a positive character.
          In a normal film, the dragon guy is an actor of 20-24 years old, handsome, athletic, masculine, Russian type, light brown hair, short haircut, blue eyes. Or do you think that in Russia there are no such guys and there was no need to look for such a role?
          Thus, the film is an intentional, planned action to erode Russian identity.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 5 January 2018 06: 19
            +1
            Quote: Traveler
            Thus, the film is an intentional, planned action to erode Russian identity.

            What movie are we talking about in the last sentence? With such a strict approach .. I’m Russian. one grandmother from Ukraine another gypsy. Both grandfathers are Belarusians. I am a gray-eyed brown-haired man, of all my Russian acquaintances, there is not a single blue-eyed blond.
            I accidentally looked at the 1979 “flying ship” with children yesterday, and it turns out that it can also be criticized from modern positions.
            And you would still have to watch until the end about the dragon. there is all the salt in the end. very unexpected.
            1. Wayfarer
              Wayfarer 5 January 2018 08: 14
              +3
              Quote: aybolyt678
              With such a strict approach ..
              This is absolutely not a strict approach, but normal when it comes to a fairy tale intended for children. In the Courier, for example, the main character is a Jew by nationality and nothing, I am not opposed, but for children it is necessary to strictly adhere to the rules, because it is impossible otherwise, the generation of tumbleweed without roots will grow.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              1979 Flying Ship
              I didn’t look, but I admit that there is a bias there. In general, the collapse of the USSR became possible because no one stood up for his defense, everyone betrayed him and the KGB officers were the first to betray him. And who were these KGB officers, ordinary people from the people, that’s the trouble, they watched such tales and the tumbleweed grew up devoid of the national system of values ​​and coordinates.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              there is not a single blue-eyed blond.
              You don’t just have to be foolish. Watch the series "Chernobyl: Exclusion Zone", where the main character is an actor of 22 years old, light blond, who should have been cast as a dragon guy if the film was not shot by a traitor for silver pieces, but by an adequate Russian director.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              And you would still have to watch until the end about the dragon. there is all the salt in the end.
              You re-read my comments, and here is the ending, when the whole film is conceived and implemented as an anti-Russian action.
  24. peta locksmith
    peta locksmith 4 January 2018 18: 23
    +2
    a strange film - something between films about fellow travelers in the past, the broadcast "in the animal world" and Ostap Bender's report on "own slaughterhouse"
  25. Old26
    Old26 4 January 2018 18: 33
    +6
    I watched this movie. I completely agree with Sergeant 71 - the author seems to have not noticed the most important thing. Ivan’s last act in intensive care.
    The film is neither better nor worse than other films. To relax on a weekend or holiday, so as not to go into the intricacies of the plot.

    Frankly speaking, it’s better to watch it than during the week on various channels one and a half dozen times stumble upon the “Irony of Fate”. What a good movie, they’ve been related to it for more than 40 years, but when I repeat this week I come across it a dozen and a half times, then even such a calm person as I lose my temper. Having said that, either switch to something else or I’ll tear out the antenna ..
    I am not a philologist, unlike the author, but for me, as probably for the overwhelming majority of people, there is not much difference between epics and fairy tales. For us it’s just a fairy tale. And probably, like in any fairy tale, heroes, epic or fairy-tale are endowed with certain human weaknesses and feelings. And the heroes are no exception. And here the author almost began to search for a universal conspiracy, you see Dobrynya was painted in such an unsightly form, but what is characteristic in it is human qualities. The same meanness, for example
    1. AleBors
      AleBors 4 January 2018 18: 46
      10
      So there is a universal conspiracy. Information war. This does not bother you anymore, you have lived your life, it is sad only that you have lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. This craft is aimed at our children. This film is only one episode of the ongoing war for the minds and hearts of our children. It’s a pity you don’t understand this.
      PS: IMHO, but The Irony of Fate is also a very unprofitable film.
    2. xtur
      xtur 5 January 2018 02: 04
      +2
      > but for me, as probably for the overwhelming number of people, there is not much difference between epics and fairy tales.

      that’s the problem that you don’t understand the structure of public consciousness, and how it is constructed, and how it is influenced. And this is even more dangerous today than not knowing the rules of the road to drive a car, or cross the street.
      They control public consciousness with the help of myths - stereotypes of thinking that are needed in order to have some uniformity and predictability in working with information in society.
      A fairy tale is myths that have come out of the realm of relevance, and an epos is an actual myth; it is the basis for self-identification of a person in society.
      and driving into the head the idea that there is no difference between a fairy tale and an epos, they destroy / sharply weaken a person’s ability to self-identification, and indeed affect this self-identification. Only

      generally speaking, there are different tolerances for working with different types of information representing secrets, and for working with different archetypes / myths / images there should be your own, legislatively fixed access steps
  26. soldner
    soldner 4 January 2018 18: 37
    12
    Of course, this is a shame. Russia, on the one hand, is covering Ukraine, there books were forbidden to import about Ilya Muromets, and Russian epics in general, and on the other hand, it begets Pascivili. The Russians do not need any enemies at all; they themselves will spoil their heads. I could not even imagine such a thing - Dobrynya is a vile traitor and murderer, Varvara Krasa is an underwater snake. So in Russia, except for the swindler Solzhenitsyn and the pederast Nureyev, there will be no heroes.
    1. Antares
      Antares 5 January 2018 12: 09
      0
      Quote: soldner
      there books about Ilya Muromets were forbidden to import, and in general Russian epics,

      I’ll clarify only one (Moscow) publishing house. The rest of Moscow and St. Petersburg are still on the shelves and imported.
      And so there is no difference, the processes are the same — in Ukraine, in the Russian Federation. The scope is different. The Russian is more sweeping in terms of money and in size than the budgetary cries of Ukrainian.
  27. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 4 January 2018 18: 57
    +6
    And why did the author take up the movie? And everything is wrong for him (is Viking, for example, the Druzhin TV series no rejection?). But for me, an alternative view of the heroes and fights of Bright Russia is a step forward, how much can one chew and I remember the immortal Dumas and his musketeers (whom everyone had already shot: including Indians (with songs and dances aha) and Koreans jumping and running up and down trees) and all the same, but Bushkov back in the 90s, wrote, in my opinion, the genius book of the Cardinal D'Artagnan-Guardsman and that someone had enough to make a film on it ??? And then such a masterpiece of the Bogatyr immediately stirred our swamp: Herods encroached on Svyatoe. the author just fucked up a funny fairy tale in the spirit of everyone praised Hollywood (Xerxes was not embarrassed by 300 out of 3.142, and their Spartak is severely diluted with XNUMX doors, which is quite historical, yeah). So for me it’s all pleporizing: the guys went to bed, the swamp of patriots was torn apart and in the hero of our XNUMXst century office hamsters, some do not found out no. Your opinion is negative; my opinion is positive as someone has always happened in Russia. Happy New Year to everyone who remembers Bright Russia (in their own way, but remember) !!!
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 5 January 2018 17: 15
      0
      Correction The 300 film was not shot in Sparta or even in Greece, and the Spartak series was not shot in Italy.
    2. Serhiodjan
      Serhiodjan 6 January 2018 13: 13
      0
      Bravo, fully support! My subordinate even said that I look like a son of Elijah! lol
  28. 1536
    1536 4 January 2018 19: 20
    +5
    Unfortunately, those who could film a fairy tale based on Russian epics glorifying ancient Russia have no money. And for those who have money, they don’t take it off and cannot take it off.
    And then, do not confuse epics, legends, etc. with annals. These, as they say, are two big differences.
  29. Cannonball
    Cannonball 4 January 2018 19: 23
    +6
    "The Last Knight" is a fantasy comedy film, consider - banter, booth, the ability to laugh at oneself, at one’s prejudices. And only a spiritually strong person can laugh at himself, only a spiritually strong nation.
    So why this "cry of Yaroslavna" about the magnification of the heroes?
    Or do you think that the epic heroes were angels in the flesh, knights without fear and reproach with pure thoughts and extremely godly deeds, such supermen ninja turtles standing breast for Russia?
    So then there was no Russia. There was the so-called Kievan Rus - a typical feudal quasi-state, fragmented into many small principalities-neighbors, mired in internecine wars, in capturing each other, in burning cities and villages, robbery and looting.
    And the heroes served these small-local princes, participated in raids, captivity, robbery and sharing of booty. And that was considered normal. They are service people, they earned a living from it. They were not angels.
    So why now arrange a universal howl about the fact that "the princesses, it turns out, are also pooping"?
    And then, the struggle of light with darkness, good with evil - is an illusion and nothing more. In fact, there is only a struggle of the interests of some groups, clans with the interests of others. And in what color they are painted, with what slogans they are covered no difference. There were landowners with capitalists - it was bad, they were replaced by the Bolsheviks with the Communists, again many felt bad. They were replaced by democrats and liberals - for some reason, again, it did not get better ...
    The conclusion is when, “White came to rob, red came to rob. Well, where should the poor peasant go?”, One - live your own mind, in your own conscience and do not create idols for yourself.
    1. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 4 January 2018 21: 55
      +9
      I do not agree with your position, yes, the heroes were not saints, there was then, as today’s prose of life, but we must not forget that such films are primarily watched by children, but it’s better to educate them on lofty ideals. make a person a man with a capital letter, it is they who contribute to the emergence of such as Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, a willingness to sacrifice that "you can feel or chew" for the sake of what you can not "touch" - truth, honor, dignity, justice. In Soviet times, these ideals were instilled through education, even earlier through religion, since then she had no competitor in the form of such films. As for the "prose of life", yes, it has the right to be on the screen, however, if this prose of life dominates the ideal there, and most importantly it will show that "the princesses are also pooping," we will get a society of normal ordinary consumers , but it is unlikely that we will have heroes ready for self-sacrifice and for heroic deeds, and it is precisely such people in difficult times that can inspire ordinary people to perform feats, and make the army an invincible spirit. So such a frivolous attitude towards such films, which undermine the traditional moral and moral foundations of our people, causes only regret.
      1. Cannonball
        Cannonball 4 January 2018 23: 26
        +2
        There was such a film, “The Feat of a Scout,” with Pavel Kadochnikov. A typical lubok that has nothing to do with a real war. However, on this pseudo-masterpiece of Soviet cinema, more than one generation was brought up who considered the same Germans as stupid idiots, which even a boy supposedly could easily leave in the fools.
        Do you offer to educate young people on such films? Or on the "9th company"?
        Don't you like frivolous hero films? But what about the "Heavenly Slow-moving", "Restless economy" and the like?
        If we bring up, that is, more worthy examples - “In the war, as in the war”, “Only old people go to battle,” “They fought for their homeland”, “28 Panfilov’s”, “Liberation” ... even “4 tankman and dog, "after all.
        We have an eternal problem with history, then we extol it to heaven, then we ourselves trample it into the mud. And she just was like she was. It should be taken as history, as a lesson, as a warning, and not as a dogma that limits the main thing - the ability to comprehend what happened and draw the right conclusions from this, so as not to repeat mistakes and stupid things in the future.
        And the heroes just appear as a result of someone's laziness, stupidity, self-confidence, mistakes and betrayal.
        Someone, I’m sorry, will shine everything, but the hero is to rake it. It’s a cult of a cesspool worker ... Or maybe it’s easier and more correct for all of us to do our job as needed, as expected, then there will be no need for individual heroes.

        “In essence, heroism is a very unfortunate phenomenon. The need for heroes and exploits arises only in a critical situation, and in ninety-nine out of a hundred such cases occur due to human stupidity or dishonesty. Almost all the heroes whom humanity admires are heroes of war, which is natural because it’s hard to think of a more critical situation. And if there are a lot of heroes in a warring army, there is no doubt that he commands it. A good general does not need heroes. " Boris Akunin. Aristonomy
        1. Metlik
          Metlik 5 January 2018 01: 33
          +3
          Quote: Cannonball
          “In essence, heroism is a very unfortunate phenomenon. The need for heroes and exploits arises only in a critical situation, and in ninety-nine out of a hundred such cases occur due to human stupidity or dishonesty. Almost all the heroes whom humanity admires are heroes of war, which is natural because it’s hard to think of a more critical situation. And if there are a lot of heroes in a warring army, there is no doubt that he commands it. A good general does not need heroes. " Boris Akunin. Aristonomy

          I can imagine how 300 Spartans would act if they had such rubbish in their heads. - "Leonid, are you a stupid person or something? There are 10000 of them and only 300 of us. Here reinforcements come up - then we will fight." Heroism is the will to live. Without it, the people are doomed to extinction.
          1. Cannonball
            Cannonball 5 January 2018 16: 33
            +1
            But do not imagine. I can personally confirm the correctness of these words from personal experience. Feats are needed only to cover the asses of bad commanders, only to save them from the military tribunal.
            Returning to your Spartans - a typical myth spread by Hollywood craftsmen. Yes, there were 300 Spartans, but there were still Mantines, Thigans, Orkhomenes, Arcadians, Corinthians, Fleunians, Mycenaeans, Thespians, Thebans, Phocians, Lokra - up to 11 fighters. The battle lasted three days, and only after the Persians bypassed the Greek army, it fell apart - most of the troops retreated to their cities, and Leonid and his Spartans covered their withdrawal, in fact, becoming a rearguard.
            In the face of cowardice and tactical illiteracy of the Greek military leaders forced Leonid to sacrifice himself to save others. Yes, on his part it was a feat, but his cause was betrayal plus gouging of the entire Greek army, which could not and did not want to fight to the end.
            1. Metlik
              Metlik 5 January 2018 21: 32
              +1
              Quote: Cannonball
              The cowardice and tactical illiteracy of the Greek military commanders

              War is chaos, not an all-inclusive camping trip. No matter how brilliant (or stupid) a military leader is, it is impossible to predict the development of events even several steps forward. Your example is only suitable for a spherical horse in a vacuum, and not for a country that has come to grips with superior enemy forces. Sparta won, her heroes became an example for future generations. And those who did not want to go into battle without perfect leadership became slaves to their enemies.
              1. Cannonball
                Cannonball 5 January 2018 21: 53
                0
                Oh, one more connoisseur of history was found. laughing
                Firstly, not Sparta, but the policy cities of continental Greece.
                And secondly, the Hellenes lost the battle at Thermopylae.
                By the way, 300 Spartans were also destroyed in the 3rd Messenian War, but for some reason the death of Leonid's detachment became a legend. Right double standards.
              2. Cannonball
                Cannonball 5 January 2018 21: 58
                0
                Quote: Metlik
                War is chaos, not an all-inclusive camping trip. No matter how brilliant (or stupid) a military leader is, it is impossible to predict the development of events even several steps forward.

                "In a war, judiciousness and plenty of money prevail."
                Pericles

                "War is the fruit of the weakness and stupidity of peoples."
                Romain Rolland

                "War is for the most part a catalog of blunders."
                Winston Churchill

                "Who has not been in the war does not have the right to talk about it."
                Marlene Dietrich

                "War is not a continuation of politics, but a defeat of politics."
                Hans von Sect, Reichswehr Chief
                1. Metlik
                  Metlik 6 January 2018 00: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Cannonball
                  Oh, one more connoisseur of history was found.
                  Firstly, not Sparta, but the policy cities of continental Greece.
                  And secondly, the Hellenes lost the battle at Thermopylae.

                  Athens, the center and the unifying bank of the Greek Union, despite the victory of the fleet, was occupied by the enemy and begged Sparta to oppose the Persians. If it were not for the decisive victory at the Plateaus, where Sparta was the key force, the defeat of Greece would be inevitable.
                  "In a war, judiciousness and plenty of money prevail." Even the military genius of Napoleon and the resources of all of continental Europe did not help to break the determination of Russia to fight until victory.
                  1. Cannonball
                    Cannonball 6 January 2018 10: 09
                    0
                    What relation do Platheas have to Thermopylae and 300 Spartans led by Leonid in particular? You will also drag the liberation of Greece from Nazi occupation here, and call Greece itself the winner of Nazi Germany. wink
                    1. Metlik
                      Metlik 6 January 2018 12: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Cannonball
                      What does Plateia have to do with Thermopylae?
                      Not all Leonid’s warriors died. One of them returned to Sparta, for which he earned the nickname “coward”. Later, in the battle of Plataeus, he was recognized as the most brave of the Greeks. An example of heroism - it may be that drop that will shift the scales in favor of one side.
                      Quote: Cannonball
                      Firstly, not Sparta, but the policy cities of continental Greece.

                      Accusing a person of ignorance, while arguing that Sparta did not defeat the Persians - in my opinion, a further argument becomes meaningless.
                      1. Cannonball
                        Cannonball 6 January 2018 12: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Metlik
                        Accusing a person of ignorance, while arguing that Sparta did not defeat the Persians - in my opinion, a further argument becomes meaningless.

                        This is called a drain. Persians defeated the Hellenic Union, where Sparta was one of the allies.
                        In the eyes of the Greeks of the East, the Athenians became saviors from the Persians, and Sparta, who refused to spread the union to the coastal Ionian cities, lost popularity among the Ionians. In addition, the Peloponnesians generally conducted evasive policies at sea, and their morals were unsympathetic to the Asia Minor Greeks. The position of the Spartan commander Pausanias among the dissatisfied Ionians was painful, especially when he began to conduct ambiguous negotiations with Persia and haughtily treat allies. His orders were refused to obey; command was offered to the Athenians (477 BC). The Spartans recalled Pausanias and their ships. Since that time, the Athenians, who created the Delos Union, continued their offensive on the Greek territories, which fell under the rule of Persia.
                        As for Sparta, with the elimination of the immediate danger, the Spartans realized that they could not continue the war with the Persians far from their borders, and when Pausanias and Leotichid disgraced the Spartan name, the Spartans should have allowed Athens to take on further leadership war, and themselves limited to the Peloponnese.
        2. AleBors
          AleBors 5 January 2018 09: 44
          +2
          Quotation of the famous liberal and "universal man." Wasn’t it more suitable?
          1. Cannonball
            Cannonball 5 January 2018 16: 34
            +1
            I don’t care what kind of person he is, but in this context his words are 100% correct.
            1. AleBors
              AleBors 5 January 2018 16: 50
              +1
              In this context, this is the philosophy of a coward and a hatskraynik. What does she lead to - look at our neighbors.
              1. Cannonball
                Cannonball 5 January 2018 20: 01
                0
                You were not at war, therefore it is not for you to determine what is the philosophy of a coward. I will confirm his words. I have the right.
        3. Esoteric
          Esoteric 5 January 2018 16: 00
          +3
          Quote: Cannonball
          A good general does not need heroes. "Boris Akunin. Aristonomy

          Do you consider Suvorov Alexander Vasilievich a good general? Ah, that’s what “failure” was, and there were heroes in his army. In war, things are not always as smooth as plans. The trouble with the cinema of the Soviet era is the idealization of events under the political ideology. And that's why Peter I was in the list of kings in the first place:
          "And, in general, after Peter the Great, Russia was terribly unlucky with kings"

          Because of this, a society brought up on idealistic paintings became easy prey for the nouveau riche and various grabbers of the EBNov era ... There were completely different laws and other concepts ...
          1. Cannonball
            Cannonball 5 January 2018 17: 05
            0
            The fact that the war is not always smooth and is very bad. This is a consequence of poor command, poor training, poor intelligence, poor logistics and much more.
            It is bad when a soldier is forced to perform a feat, instead of achieving the same result by means established by combat manuals.
            In the film "28 Panfilov" there are very correct words:
            "And no one is heroic, because there is no reason. We calmly burn tanks."
            Или:
            "And today, lads, for the homeland to die ne treba, today for the homeland to live the treba ..."
            And more:
            "- So bite into the ground and stand rooted to the spot! Clear?
            - That's right, comrade battalion commander, you have no doubt - we will stand to death.
            - So ... I do not need death, I need tightly. Hear the difference To stand firmly, one must be alive. This is a contradiction. "

            "- You will die, and who will fight for you, and Shamyakin?
            - Nobody wants to die. It’s a pity it doesn’t depend on us.
            - You are mistaken! To die or not is a deeply personal matter. "
        4. ImPerts
          ImPerts 5 January 2018 17: 52
          +4
          Quote: Cannonball
          A good general does not need heroes. "Boris Akunin.

          Well, no matter how the writer is, so is the philosopher? No matter how the poet, so is the prophet.
          Does Akunin have experience fighting without heroes?
          Suvorov A.V.
          - Great adventures come from small causes;
          - Courageous feats are more reliable than words;
          - Where there are fewer troops, there are more courageous;
          - Easy victories do not flatter the heart of Russian;
          - Die for the House of the Virgin, for Mother Queen, for the Most Bright House. The church of God is praying. Who is alive, honor and glory!
          And so on.
          But Akunin is not an authority in this case. Not authority.
          1. Cannonball
            Cannonball 5 January 2018 18: 08
            0
            I had the experience of waging a war without heroes. It's enough? Or am I also not an authority?
            1. ImPerts
              ImPerts 5 January 2018 19: 10
              0
              Quote: Cannonball
              I had the experience of waging a war without heroes. It's enough? Or am I also not an authority?

              Ok, where can I find it?
              In order to decide, authoritatively or not, one must at least contemplate. And it turns out that I did not read, but I condemn.
              1. Cannonball
                Cannonball 5 January 2018 19: 23
                0
                In Jabal-Ussaraj, in kilometers 60 north of Kabul.
                1. ImPerts
                  ImPerts 5 January 2018 19: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Cannonball
                  In Jabal-Ussaraj, in kilometers 60 north of Kabul.

                  Sorry, but I don’t have the opportunity to visit the place and evaluate your capabilities and abilities.
                  Simplify my task, give me the opportunity to read it in any sources, what kind of operations were carried out under your command in Jabal-Ussaraj. Losses, as I understand it, was not?
                  1. Cannonball
                    Cannonball 5 January 2018 20: 08
                    0
                    There was no loss through my fault. Is that on the other side of the barricades. Even I survived, although I could die more than once.
                    And the literature on the fighting in those places is more than enough. Dial Bagram, Salang, Panjshir on the Internet - and everything will become clear.
                    But I saw how people died there because of someone else's idiocy, because it was a soldier’s duty for them, a soldier’s job, and, in your opinion, a feat.
      2. Serhiodjan
        Serhiodjan 6 January 2018 13: 15
        0
        And pumping up children with excessive propaganda gives rise to people like Pavlik Morozov, and not just Zoya
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 4 January 2018 22: 55
      +1
      Quote: Cannonball
      So why now arrange a universal howl about the fact that "the princesses, it turns out, are also pooping"?

      almost agree with you, outrages only the helplessness of the protagonist. I thought at least boxing might show ... I didn’t. And the girl is nothing, the fight is a woman. Maybe this is where Unisex begins?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 4 January 2018 23: 14
        +6
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Maybe this is where Unisex begins?

        No.
        It begins matriarchy laughing
      2. Cannonball
        Cannonball 4 January 2018 23: 46
        0
        In such cases, I say this: "The hero (heroine) does this, for example, goes to a dumb place (especially true for thrillers and horror movies) solely at the request of the director. :) They are not to voluntarily seek their own death. Here, the director said: “The hero must be helpless,” the actor “took the visor” (he will continue to act). And the girl herself from Ukraine, she also needs to be remembered by the public in order to be removed from us further. Everyone wants to eat prose.
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 5 January 2018 19: 59
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          Quote: Cannonball
          the actor "took the visor"

          Without a doubt, there is a script, there is a director ...
          Quote: Cannonball
          And the girl herself is from Ukraine, she also needs to be remembered by the public, so that she will be removed from us further.

          And the script from the girl in Ukraine was unwritten and the director didn’t give her a decree ...
          Maybe a director with a screenwriter hidden Bandera?
          "... From childhood, the girl dreamed of becoming an actress,
          Through thorns in the circle of Hollywood bohemia hit.
          The scriptwriter is a drug addict, and the producer is a slutty app.
          This is not Mosfilm, but the rotten inside of Hollywood ... "
  30. Pushkar
    Pushkar 4 January 2018 19: 40
    +3
    In short - "Hands off the saint!" Washington's bloody hand reached out to our tales.
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  32. Gato
    Gato 4 January 2018 21: 28
    +3
    Yes normal movie, for teens. There is nothing to look for subtexts in it. Religious or political. Sometimes it was even funny - when Kashchei Kamenyuk fell crying
  33. Altona
    Altona 4 January 2018 21: 49
    +8
    I did not watch this film, but I condemn it. As I condemn all of the current Russian cinematic fecal creation. About this film, mentioned in the article, many reviews were given immediately after the release, and it was in the spirit that GG (the main character) was generally short-sighted, but in general the film exposes traditional heroes in a negative light. And this was allegedly done in connection with the author's rethinking. We have this "author's vision and rethinking" in art (even the language does not dare to call it art) already over the edge, like a clogged sewer collector. Even the national film “28 Panfilovites” did not go beyond the filth of tolerance, everywhere they somehow try to keep silent about the Soviet power and introduce simulacra such as “Russian”, “no, I'm Tatar (Kazakh, Uzbek), well, then Russian.” Nonsense is complete, in general. When in the USA when they parody something, there are special animated films for this: "The Simpsons", "South Park" and role-playing movies for adults. Our stand-up decided to do everything. More fun, more hardcore, give a wave of "humor".
    Bogatyrs is the exaltation of the feat of the Russian warrior, even in a fairy tale, even in the epic. Therefore, mimicking and exposing them with quixotes or bastards is mean and vile. The heroes fought for Russia, the Russian state. The texts say so.
    Kashchei, Baba Yaga, Idolische, Nightingale the Robber and other evil spirits are the embodiment of the enemies of Russia. No wonder the Baba Yaga says "there is a Russian spirit, there it smells of Rus." She hates Russia and uses all methods to intimidate, up to cannibalism. Kashchei personifies Europe and the crusaders. The nightingale is a robber, a collective character of all kinds of robbers who walked with gangs and robbed travelers and merchants. Well, Tugarin Snake is all kind of nomads.
    In general, such a paradigm of patriotic and enemy images was laid out and the scriptwriters dashing all this with dashing Disney swoop. They put the children in the head of "good Hitler." What can they say to that? You got a new hedgehog, gentlemen, screenwriters. The well-known organ of Nureyev does not allow you to turn aside so that you would not talk about "freedom of creativity" there. Freedom of slander is always triumphant and paid for.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 4 January 2018 22: 02
      +6
      Quote: Altona
      No wonder Baba Yaga says "there is a Russian spirit, there it smells of Rus"

      Damn, this is not a woman ... This is Pushkin, "Ruslan and Lyudmila":
      There is a stupa with Baba Yaga
      Goes, wanders by itself;
      There King Kashchei wilts over gold;
      There is a Russian spirit ... there it smells of Rus!

      Although Baba Yaga, yes ... is present.
      Quote: Altona
      I did not watch this film, but I condemn

      Enough, you have already won this contest good
    2. WapentakeLokki
      WapentakeLokki 4 January 2018 22: 34
      +1
      Oh come on, from prince warriors (of high rank, but from squad, that is, service people who go under the Prince) to make knights without fear and reproach, for this role the place is filled with a geyropa with their Rolland and Britain with King Arthur and his round knights alas to you. The warriors also went to war where they would send and in polyedes for a quitrent for the Prince and in ushkuy (i.e. raid-robbery like Vaska Buslay). And the fact that they stood for ordinary people like that at the Angles was their Robin Loxley then in the Sherwood forest, like only the rich he put on a gop-stop (but like the poor he missed and even shared the back-breaking hard work with them, huh) and became purely positive after some time when the passions subsided. So the heroes in Russia, as the saying goes the collective one was mainly taken from Vasnetsov’s painting, the one with three horses, a mace, a sword and a bow. All this is of course colorful, but the trouble is: simple warriors defended Holy Rus from Batu-Mamai (although there were Peresvet and Oslyablya, but that’s all , but where is everyone else? And here you can enter an insult assumptions for the Russian, but we will assume that they fell in battle as Yevpatiy, or went to the highlands as Svyatogor does not matter. Like in all wars in Russia in difficult times her simple husband, plowman or blacksmith, warrior or monk-paladin defended and where the heroes, the glorious heroes of the pros, mowing the heap with one left, invincible and legendary. That's the kind of sad tale I have
      PS In general, all this tramp with pro supermoons reminds me of all the wars of the XNUMXth century in Russia when the army (in peacetime, the mightiest and the most-most) dies in the first half-year of a year (with varying degrees of success in the ratio it killed the enemy-dead simply like that) and a peaceful man enters the battle who fed entih of possible warriors all the time before, and these simple plowmen and hard workers endure the war on their shoulders and end its female sabaki in the capitals of adversaries, but is this a completely different story, is it true ??
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 5 January 2018 02: 10
        +2
        Quote: WapentakeLokki
        So the heroes in Russia, as they say, a collective image mainly taken from Vasnetsov’s painting, the one with three horses for three, a mace, a sword and a bow.

        Real prototypes of these heroes are mentioned in the chronicles of the Battle of Lipetsk in 1216. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lb1j4ev_Jc
    3. Esoteric
      Esoteric 5 January 2018 16: 02
      0
      Quote: Altona
      I did not watch this film, but I condemn it.

      Oh! How unusual this is ... belay fellow
      Let's talk about the collapse and rise of Hollywood without seeing a single movie. Let's push philosophers together without reading their works. Let's argue about the taste of oysters and coconuts with those who ate it, until hoarseness, before a fight, perceiving the taste of food by ear, color by tooth, stink by eye, imagining a movie by name, painting by name, country by "Movie Travel Club ", sharp points of view on the reader.
    4. Pushkar
      Pushkar 6 January 2018 00: 27
      +1
      "I have not watched this film, but I condemn it." Handsomely. And, most importantly, fresh. Or have I heard this somewhere?
  34. Old26
    Old26 4 January 2018 22: 10
    +2
    Quote: WapentakeLokki
    I recall the immortal Dumas and his musketeers (whom everyone had already shot: including Indians (with songs and dances aha) and Koreans jumping and running up and down trees) and all the same, but Bushkov was still 90- x wrote, in my opinion, the brilliant book of the Cardinal D'Artagnan-Guardsman and that someone had enough to make a film on it ???

    Yes, I read it in one breath. Wrote excitingly

    Quote: AleBors
    So there is a universal conspiracy. Information war. This does not bother you anymore, you have lived your life, it is sad only that you have lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. This craft is aimed at our children. This film is only one episode of the ongoing war for the minds and hearts of our children. It’s a pity you don’t understand this.
    PS: IMHO, but The Irony of Fate is also a very unprofitable film.

    You know, something recently in any event has been seeking a universal conspiracy and the manifestation of an information war. Do not produce entities beyond measure. I hope you know this expression. The heroes (real, from whom these images were "written off") were people, with all their weaknesses. But gradually, what was negative in them left, only the “light” remained, one can say the “popular” image. And then someone suddenly picked up and doubted their angelic essence. So atu him. You can immediately say that he is hiring imperialism, a contingent employee of the State Department and the CIA, designed to destroy the most sacred. what we have. Our epics.

    This does not bother you anymore, you have lived your life, it is sad only that you have lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil.

    Maybe due to the fact that I have lived at least 2/3 of my life (I hope) I have not lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. But he learned not to see the "hand of imperialism" in everything.
    Our children (more precisely, this is the time of my grandchildren for me) may be less well versed in politics, but they don’t look at all in the machinations. Watching every day on TV all the negativity, murders, squabbles between clans or gangs, seeing films on betrayal and meanness on TV, do you think that they will pay attention that Dobrynya is a scoundrel? They simply will not pay attention to this. For them, it's action packed. About the same level as Shrek, Bogatyrs, Masha and the Bear, and more. Yes, of course, this film is not worth comparing with the same “Frost”. But I’m also not worth making the movie "Time Bomb"

    PS: IMHO, but The Irony of Fate is also a very unprofitable film.

    You see. Even with regard to this 40-year-old film, different views. You can take any film and how many people - there will be as many opinions.
    1. xtur
      xtur 5 January 2018 02: 14
      +3
      > Maybe due to the fact that I have lived at least 2/3 of my life (I hope) I have not lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. But he learned not to see the "hand of imperialism" in everything.

      in an age of total informational control over a person, when they eavesdrop on him and spy on him from all devices that, in fact, cannot even be eliminated at home, when telephones and personal computers openly contain non-deactivable programs that give manufacturers access to the entire computer, to brag about having learned not to see the hand of imperialism in everything as recklessly.

      the collection of all kinds of information about all people by all possible means, the integration of this information (the so-called bigdata) and the use of this information for business purposes is the officially proclaimed foundation of modern industry
      but who said that such a volume of information would not be used in the military and political interests?
    2. AleBors
      AleBors 5 January 2018 09: 51
      +3
      "Maybe due to the fact that I have lived at least 2/3 of my life (I hope) I have not lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil."
      Alas, I have to admit that I forgot how
      "
      Watching every day on TV all the negativity, murders, squabbles between clans or gangs, seeing films on betrayal and meanness on TV, do you think that they will pay attention that Dobrynya is a scoundrel? They simply will not pay attention to it. "
      Will turn. And watch TV every day, and indeed watch it is harmful. My children do not watch TV. Only that which passed my censorship.
      "For them, it's action. About the same level as Shrek, Bogatyrs, Masha and the Bear, and more."
      This is a substitution of concepts. And a distortion of human nature. They did not pay attention to how discredited the image of the defender and the masculine principle in modern cinema are?
      "But I also don’t think it’s worth doing from the movie" Time Bomb "
      This is, alas, not a delayed action. For you, she has already worked, since you are so wonderful.
      "You can take any movie and how many people - there will be as many opinions."
      Opinions, yes. But the real benefit or harm will be a completely clear answer.
  35. corsar26
    corsar26 4 January 2018 22: 18
    +4
    It would be really bad, no one would discuss or watch. and so how many people that looked))) I see that whoever wrote the article, probably in Wait, I saw propaganda of cigarettes, pedophilia in seven colors, and so on in Soviet cartoons. Commentary on cannibalism is just a masterpiece, you can write an article on psychological deviations. while no one paid attention everything was fine, and everyone liked everything. Regarding fairy tales, I have collections of folk tales of Russian, Moldavian, Latvian, African and a couple more of the Soviet edition of the late 80s, I re-read everything, so compared to them, the film is a good fairy tale, in a modern way. Just never believe that no one has read about the fellow travelers, while the idea is new, they will earn it.
    PS. I’m wondering, are you doing your homework with your children, or are pensioners all over the place and know only the phrase: “And here we have .... better the higher the stronger the deeper”? For example, whoever wants to finds one, but no, I'll post a scan: a fairy tale in a textbook for the 3rd grade of 2017 onwards according to the literary reading of the comprehensive school: horses carried the witch across the field where the hand comes off, there is a deck, where the leg is there is a tree, etc. there about his head, etc., so that in a film where no one was killed, it can already be considered a masterpiece of Russian cinema. And the question is, how is the cartoon about three heroes different from the film? only by the fact that there all three heroes are positive ... if you wish, you can find so many anti-Russian and other violations of the feelings of believers ... you’ll sway. But let them do it, to whom the state should be)))
    1. WapentakeLokki
      WapentakeLokki 4 January 2018 23: 02
      0
      For some reason, I remember a cannibalism about a joke when a doctor puts pictures in front of a patient and asks: “What does this remind you of” and constantly hears the answer: “Yes, you have 3.141 races here all the time” (this and a flock of geese and something else there) and then the physically disconcerted doctor asks: `` so what, and I think your 3.141 race? '' to which he hears a confident answer: '' of course 3.141 race, otherwise where do you get such pictures . In my opinion, do not add or decrease, but in your opinion?
  36. Altona
    Altona 4 January 2018 23: 25
    +1
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Enough, you have already won this contest

    --------------------------
    Well, here are the trailers for the films “Salute-7,” “Upward Movement,” “Time of the First,” “Viking,” “Christmas Trees,” and other garbage in the spirit of Ernst-Medinsky Pictures. Articles immediately appear with eyewitnesses, with documents, with experts. Zhenya Badkomedian, where without him? And begins a detailed analysis, almost frame-by-frame of all these masterpieces. In general, you watch a “movie” and they immediately give you kinolyapi. Then I don’t want to watch these “masterpieces” and “top points of the box office”. It’s better to see Hollywood right away. Although I do not watch it.
  37. Altona
    Altona 4 January 2018 23: 33
    +2
    Quote: WapentakeLokki
    PS In general, all this tramp with pro supermoons reminds me of all the wars of the XNUMXth century in Russia when the army (in peacetime, the mightiest and the most-most) dies in the first half-year of a year (with varying degrees of success in the ratio it killed the enemy-dead simply like that) and a peaceful man enters the battle who fed entih of possible warriors all the time before, and these simple plowmen and hard workers endure the war on their shoulders and end its female sabaki in the capitals of adversaries, but is this a completely different story, is it true ??

    -------------------------------------
    Well, here you are somehow very thick paint. Mirnyak with a rifle and 10 rounds of ammunition, too, tried to fight in 1941, but he was completely killed near Moscow and other cities. The military had to rethink tactics and train the new military in the war that had already begun. But the hero or bator (batyr) among the Turks is also present in many epics both as a servant and as a romantic hero, as you mentioned the Western European epics about Arthur and Roland. The hero probably also personifies some kind of national core, patriotic fidelity.
  38. Altona
    Altona 4 January 2018 23: 37
    0
    Quote: corsar26
    And the question is, how is the cartoon about three heroes different from the film? only by the fact that there all three heroes are positive ... if you wish, you can find so many anti-Russian and other violations of the feelings of believers ... you’ll sway.

    -----------------------------------------------
    The cartoon at least does not dispute friendship and talks about mutual assistance. Another role of the cartoon is to describe modern reality, although for some reason it is within the framework of a feudal state, nevertheless, a lot is similar with jokes-jokes.
  39. Cananecat
    Cananecat 5 January 2018 02: 07
    +1
    And I feel sorry for Kashchei ... now the adversary is gone, and with whom are the heroes now fighting? In fact, the struggle between good and evil is eternal. Tell Gorynych stayed there, well, by age, a small dirty trickster ... back there to whom to scorch or a haystack while he is still growing ...
    For the rest ... evil returned back to our world (if they watched the finale), and the magician Svyatozar (grandfather with a staff) remained in the monkey. In general, I feel the continuation will be with the Nightingale the Robber ...))
  40. Metlik
    Metlik 5 January 2018 02: 17
    +4
    There is no need to be a conspiracy theorist to clearly see that America invests much more in the information destruction of our country and culture than some pathetic five billion spent on the Maidan.
  41. LOSTINLOVEization
    LOSTINLOVEization 5 January 2018 03: 32
    0
    Everyone says a film for fools ... a film for fools ... but I liked it ...))) Well, apart from laughter, of course I’ll say the film is weak, there is no plot integrity, no actors play, special effects graphics from the 2000s, what is the debate about? The Malifiscent is a beautiful fairy tale for everyone ... Tell me the wrong budget .... then there is nothing to show and admire it .... just my opinion)).
  42. cost 75
    cost 75 5 January 2018 07: 17
    +2
    Recently, in almost all fairy tales and cartoons, they began to turn everything upside down. People-eaters, villains, witches, ogres, and now Kasas, began to appear as good heroes, well, good, notorious bastards.
  43. AleBors
    AleBors 5 January 2018 09: 15
    +3
    “In order to lay the foundation of humanity and citizenship in childhood, you must give your child the right vision of good and evil.” V.A. Sukhomlinsky
  44. 23rus
    23rus 5 January 2018 10: 26
    +6
    The war will end, everything will settle down and settle down. And we will throw everything that we have: all the gold, all the material power to fool and fool people! The human brain, the minds of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we discreetly replace their values ​​with false ones and force them to believe in these false values. How? We will find our like-minded people, our allies in Russia itself. Episode by episode will be played out with a grandiose scale tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final and irreversible fading of their self-consciousness. For example, from art and literature we will gradually erase its social essence; wean artists and writers - we will discourage them from engaging in the depiction and study of those processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theaters, cinema - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings. We will do our best to support and raise the so-called artists who will instill and hammer into the human mind the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in a word, all immorality. In government, we will create chaos and confusion. We will quietly, but actively and constantly promote tyranny of officials, the prosperity of bribe takers and unscrupulousness. Bureaucracy and red tape will be elevated to virtue. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will not be needed by anyone, will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples - first of all, enmity and hatred of the Russian people - we will cultivate all this adroitly and inconspicuously, it will bloom terry color. And only a few, very few will guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a laughing stock, find a way to slander them and declare them to be the scum of society. We will dig up spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of popular morality. We will shatter thus, generation after generation. We will take on people from childhood and youth, and we will always make the main bet ON YOUTH - we will decompose, corrupt and corrupt it. We will make cynics, vulgarities and cosmopolitans of it. This is how we do it!

    “Reflections on the implementation of the American post-war doctrine against the USSR”, 1945, A. Dulles
  45. Earnest
    Earnest 5 January 2018 11: 23
    +4
    Also seduced by advertising, went with his family. Spit started even at the session, propaganda abomination. The epic images of the heroes were overtaken in full. The heroes themselves in the person of Dobrynia are power-hungry scoundrels, the son of Ilya looks like petty. One “real man” for the whole film is Vasilisa.
  46. WIN969
    WIN969 5 January 2018 11: 59
    +1
    A film with absolutely zero plot. But the meaning is still there and laid down in this phrase "The villains were defeated, the heroes were no longer needed". That is, the balance of the struggle between good and evil was upset.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 5 January 2018 12: 14
      0
      Quote: WIN969
      A film with absolutely zero plot. But the meaning is still there and laid down in this phrase: "The villains were defeated, the heroes became no longer needed." That is, the balance of the struggle between good and evil was upset.

      There is a well-known film about equilibrium and how its violation ends for good, called "Star Wars"
  47. Antares
    Antares 5 January 2018 12: 14
    +1
    started to look, lost interest in the middle. In addition, there was a choice between the Watchtower and the Bogatyr. I thought that the one that the Ukrainians could rent there, I’d better see the more expensive one. It turned out that about a schoolboy in the past, better than a mage swindler. Although not too much.
    Now ordinary consumers, and not experts, rule. So the ratings will be, despite the complaints. And this is money. Everybody wins money! Since this is the modern ideology of the Russian Federation, then everything is true. So the artist sees.
  48. L10n77
    L10n77 5 January 2018 13: 33
    +2
    Quote: WIN969
    A film with absolutely zero plot. But the meaning is still there and laid down in this phrase "The villains were defeated, the heroes were no longer needed". That is, the balance of the struggle between good and evil was upset.

    There is an old Eastern saying: “He who defeats the dragon himself becomes a dragon”, and in the film - Koshchei was defeated, and Dobrynya became the new Koshchei.
    1. WIN969
      WIN969 5 January 2018 14: 05
      +2
      Olga Trukhanenoy is clearly far from oriental sayings, it seems like she’s already over 50, but her intellect hasn’t increased, she couldn’t master the children's tale laughing
  49. Storsh
    Storsh 5 January 2018 13: 39
    +3
    Ay, bravo, author good !!! Almost completely agree. Add my 5 cents. As I once mentioned in VO, the real and obvious destruction of our history with you ... No, not so, most likely not even history, but the foundations of our identification of ourselves, as a people (peoples), which have a much more ancient basis than our foreign "partners", began (my personal opinion) with the disappearance on our TV in the "glorious" 90th patronymic in the address of speakers and correspondents to people. Dear (and not so) citizens of our country simultaneously lost their ancestors, starting with their fathers. So it’s easier !!! Why break the language by saying - Alexandrovich, Efimovich, Provovich, Sergeyevich ... You can just call Vasily ... And we have become relatives who do not remember Ivanov ... Although, recently, if I’m not mistaken, we only have Vladimirovich’s GDP ... Also a touch, however.
    1. Serhiodjan
      Serhiodjan 5 January 2018 17: 17
      0
      When I read such nonsense to me (a real patriot who works for the good of beloved Russia), the logic of the Bandera people who do not wait until all the scoops die out becomes clear. Indeed gentlemen, you are sick and do not notice this; you pass off the natural course of events as someone’s evil intent and suffer from it. The Arabs generally have five patronymics to the fifth knee, maybe we should go this way?))
  50. Greenwood
    Greenwood 5 January 2018 14: 03
    0
    Author, you did an extra advertisement for this film. Before this article, I did not even hear about him. If he is so trashy, why write about it at all ?!
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