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Ukrainian portal published a video of the rocket tests for the new complex

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A video of the test of the rocket of the new Ukrainian operational-tactical complex “Thunder-2” appeared on the Internet, reports channel 112 Ukraine.




According to the channel, which refers to the military department, the missile system is currently ready for field testing.

It is reported that the "operational-tactical missile system" Thunder "is being developed to destroy single and group stationary targets at distances from 50 to 280 km."



“The combat unit of a single-stage ballistic missile is projected with a mass of 480 kg. The warhead can be made by monoblock or cassette scheme. The monoblock scheme uses a high-explosive fragmentation or penetrating high-explosive fragmentation ampule, ”the material says.

The inertial airborne missile control system is equipped with various types of navigation and guidance systems (radar, optical-electronic).
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"Ukrainian military portal"
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 3 January 2018 08: 36 New
    26
    In appearance, it’s a completely modern system .. And what and how there is with the performance characteristics it is still necessary to look. I have already written more than once in the comments that there is production and specialists .. And to wait when everything falls apart is unpromising. That's just how much they can do, that’s the question.
    1. Nick
      Nick 3 January 2018 10: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: 210ox
      I have already written more than once in the comments that there are both production and specialists .. And to wait when everything falls apart there is hopeless.

      Everything was in the USSR, and cooler, BUT ... Alas, Ah! Ukraine itself is turning into a ruin and at a fairly fast pace.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 3 January 2018 11: 13 New
        20
        “Ukraine is turning into Ruin”, “It's a clunker”, “Piled from plywood”, “pomegranate in a hairy hand” .... Here is a brief overview of user comments. And the video shows a completely modern missile system, which undoubtedly deserves close attention. In addition, Ukrainian GDP is growing at a much faster rate than Russian. So bury this country early. It is not known who will survive whom.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 3 January 2018 11: 55 New
          14
          “Commentators” (adequate) smoothly move into a new stage. They no longer declare the funeral of Yuzhmash, etc., they are now skeptics about bringing to mind and the possibility of mass production. Not only that - when this sample reaches the series, most of them sirony - they say it’s still worse than ours or “with the legacy left by the USSR, they could have done better for a long time ..." A win-win combination! The main thing to forget is that he wrote a year or two ago ...
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 3 January 2018 12: 50 New
            +2
            Nazarius, in the news
            After the collapse of the USSR, due to the lack of military orders, the plant was forced to look for new market niches. Agricultural machinery was made at PMZ, but the enterprise became famous for the production of Mriya food processors.
            Russian newspaper 10:44
            1. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. 3 January 2018 15: 43 New
              10
              Quote: xetai9977
              Ukrainian GDP is growing at a much faster rate than Russian

              I looked for real figures for Ukraine’s GDP. Here they are:It turns out that Ukraine’s GDP collapsed not in interest, but in dollars twice!! during the reign of the banderofascist junta. The structure of GDP has also become much worse. But the hryvnia fell three times. Therefore, in hryvnias, Ukraine’s GDP didn’t even fall. Jesuit liars propagandists and zombie hatskraynikov. This fall alone is only twice as blown. This is possible only because the West has granted a deferment in external payments until 2019, and Ukraine does not pay in arrears to Russia and China with billions of dollars in debt. But you have to give with interest. The transit of hydrocarbons will also stop, and this is at least 15% of the budget of Ukraine. And the stolen freebie from transit.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 01: 09 New
                +1
                all you need to know about Ukraine’s economy is .... The list of countries by GDP growth (PPP) from 1990 to 2015 as a percentage according to the World Bank .... hohland there is in last place with the number 11,75 !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing By the way, super-prosperous reformed Georgia over Ukraine with the number 43 !!! lol lol lol
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 3 January 2018 12: 54 New
            +5
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            They no longer declare the funeral of Yuzhmash, etc., they are now skeptics about bringing to mind and the possibility of mass production.

            so that Yuzhmash has already died and it will not work to reanimate it. Do you even understand what Yuzhmash is and what it built at least in 2013?
            1. katana
              katana 3 January 2018 13: 06 New
              +3
              As far as I remember, in Ukraine the Korsar ATGMs are mass-produced.
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 3 January 2018 13: 29 New
                +4
                Quote: katana
                As far as I remember, in Ukraine the Korsar ATGMs are mass-produced.

                Serially? Manual assembly there, several dozen launchers per year in total, and this despite the fact that the complex itself has been in service for many, many years.
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb 4 January 2018 13: 00 New
                  0
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  Quote: katana
                  As far as I remember, in Ukraine the Korsar ATGMs are mass-produced.

                  Serially? Manual assembly there, several dozen launchers per year in total, and this despite the fact that the complex itself has been in service for many, many years.

                  Quotation: blooded man
                  many, many years

                  how much is this?
                  2 years or already 1
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 23 June 2018 23: 24 New
                    0
                    Quote: prosto_rgb
                    how much is this?
                    2 years or already 1

                    CORSAR is the same age as CORNET. Well, consider it. They adopted it even under Yushche or Yanuk, and in 2015 they announced mass production. In reality, they are made into small-syrian parties, like in Soviet films, by huge belts and a couple dozen a year on ordinary wooden desks.
          3. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 3 January 2018 12: 56 New
            17
            Stop lying here already. In your own country, rinse the brains of the people occupied by the junta so that they do not rebel against the bloody government.
            Quote: xetai9977
            Ukrainian GDP is growing at a much faster rate than Russian.
            This is what Jesuit thinking must have in order to call minus growth.
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            when this sample reaches the series "
            What are the samples that have already reached the series in Ukraine? Have a good laugh together.
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 3 January 2018 21: 23 New
              +1
              BTR-3, BTR-4, Kozak-2. Few? Or remember the history of the Iraqi contract? So a lot has changed since then. Cases are now brewed by specialists from state enterprises and this equipment is not bad enough in the Donbass ...
            3. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 01: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              Stop lying here already. In your own country, rinse the brains of the people occupied by the junta so that they do not rebel against the bloody government.
              Quote: xetai9977
              Ukrainian GDP is growing at a much faster rate than Russian.
              This is what Jesuit thinking must have in order to call minus growth.
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              when this sample reaches the series "
              What are the samples that have already reached the series in Ukraine? Have a good laugh together.

              also cheating in such statistics !!! why did they take 10 years and not more ??? or less??? wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing Russia's average GDP growth over the years from 1996 to 2016 is 3,08%. wink yes By the way, the shadow sector of the economy, according to official estimates, is about 15% of GDP. Another 7% is not accounted for due to corruption. According to World Bank estimates, gross domestic product is one and a half times more due to the presence of the shadow economy.
            4. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 4 January 2018 23: 18 New
              0
              What you post here is unclear. Fact, Ukraine's GDP is + 2,3%, Russia's GDP is 0,2%. Over the past 10 years, Russian GDP collapsed by almost 2%, while all other European countries, or BRICS countries grew by tens of%, and this despite 3 trillion dollars of free oil and gas revenues. Neither money, nor resources, nor any results, investments in the future .. In my opinion, it is dumb for the Russians to laugh at the dill economy, the military-industrial complex and GDP, when they themselves are not a gram better, and sometimes worse.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 5 January 2018 01: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: karabas-barabas
                What you post here is unclear. Fact, Ukraine's GDP is + 2,3%, Russia's GDP is 0,2%. Over the past 10 years, Russian GDP collapsed by almost 2%, while all other European countries, or BRICS countries grew by tens of%, and this despite 3 trillion dollars of free oil and gas revenues. Neither money, nor resources, nor any results, investments in the future .. In my opinion, it is dumb for the Russians to laugh at the dill economy, the military-industrial complex and GDP, when they themselves are not a gram better, and sometimes worse.

                if we’re posting here incomprehensibly, then you’re getting on frankly written !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing





                in principle, looking at 2 pictures you can say that
                Quote: karabas-barabas
                In my opinion, this is a dumb occupation for a Russian over the dill economy,

                finally incompatible comparisons !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
          4. Sirocco
            Sirocco 3 January 2018 16: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            "Commentators" (adequate) smoothly transition.

            And what doesn’t suit you at the funeral of both UMZ and PMZ, it was Pavlograd that produced products that inspired fear. Now, on the topic, in the beginning of the 90s in Pavlograd, the US company’s office stood on a knock-off seems to be Knudsen and Knudsen, and so under the supervision of this company they destroyed equipment manufacturing missiles at PMZ, many clapped their hands happily, this disgrace was broadcast on local TV , I look at laughing about Mriya food processors, they say the factory made combines, began to make rockets, I’m disappointed, not only Mriya rockets and food processors did but also Bytovuha. In general, the main equipment was destroyed. Something is left, that's sculpted from what is left all over Ukraine. There is also a PCP plant, in the storage facilities of this factory, they store these products that they tried to destroy by hydraulic washing, in general, the city lives on a bomb, in the mid-80s one product exploded, it threw me out of bed, lived in the city center, provide what will happen, when fifty will explode. Now about UMZ, there is an official funeral, and not today, but yesterday, not the first year, engineers fly to the United States, a joint project, launch products, I speak about what I know firsthand. We can say that the plant is still alive, it is being guarded, engineers and technicians are working, hard workers with transport workers at the checkpoint. Something like this.
          5. Grayish
            Grayish 4 January 2018 01: 29 New
            +2
            In Ukraine, nothing will come to the series. Since this is already a country of Seluk. And I simply do not believe in the existence of this complex. A 100% guarantee that they will not show us any launch. Tank "Tirex" is a guarantee.
        2. svp67
          svp67 3 January 2018 12: 08 New
          +9
          Quote: xetai9977
          In addition, Ukrainian GDP is growing at a much faster rate than Russian.

          And you can learn from what levels the GDP of Ukraine and Russia is counting, in order to understand how much everything is tragic.
          And the development, now of this complex, to the increased GDP of Ukraine is of the tenth importance. The complex is created by order of Saudi Arabia, with its money.
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 01: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            And you can learn from what levels the GDP of Ukraine and Russia is counting, in order to understand how much everything is tragic.

            as I recall, hohland is one of the few countries of the former Union, which for its independence could not reach the level before the collapse of the USSR !! wassat wassat lol lol lol
        3. Dr_engie
          Dr_engie 3 January 2018 12: 31 New
          0
          Something this Polonaise system reminded ... but Ukraine and Belarus already had experience in working together on weapons and military equipment
          1. race
            race 3 January 2018 20: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: Dr_Engie
            Something this Polonaise system reminded ... but Ukraine and Belarus already had experience in working together on weapons and military equipment

            And how did this system remind you of Polonaise? Is that a launcher chassis?
            For reference: the Polonaise has 8 missiles in the TPK on the chassis, and this system, judging by the video, has only 2. And the launch range of the Polonaise is about 200 km.
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 4 January 2018 13: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: Rasen
              Is that a launcher chassis?

              NO - the chassis there is of purely Ukrainian design, i.e. also a prototype
              unlike the serial MZKT-7930 “Astrologer“ on the Polonaise
              Quote: Rasen
              And the launch range of the Polonaise is about 200 km.

              298,6 km according to the latest training firing.
              1. race
                race 4 January 2018 19: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: prosto_rgb
                298,6 km according to the latest training firing.

                Interestingly, where does such data come from, if not secret?
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb 5 January 2018 00: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: Rasen
                  Quote: prosto_rgb
                  298,6 km according to the latest training firing.

                  Interestingly, where does such data come from, if not secret?

                  what secrets can be where they are not
                  Everything is for you.
                  The official channel of the Military TV of Belarus on YouTube:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_WCai8J5Z0

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNu8cFQVsN0
                  1. race
                    race 6 January 2018 23: 26 New
                    0
                    Quote: prosto_rgb
                    what secrets can be where they are not
                    Everything is for you.
                    The official channel of the Military TV of Belarus on YouTube:

                    Curious. At what polygon did they shoot? In Belarus, as far as I know, there are no training grounds for such launches.
          2. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 4 January 2018 13: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: Dr_Engie
            Something this Polonaise system reminded ... but Ukraine and Belarus already had experience in working together on weapons and military equipment

            but should remind Iskader on a self-made chassis
            By the way, it was to Iskander before the well-known events that Ukraine supplied part of the components
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        5. trampoline instructor
          trampoline instructor 3 January 2018 13: 58 New
          +2
          "User comments" - this is certainly a force! Is it enough that users of Military Review, World Review, Rambler and so on can write? Let them write what they want. We have a lot of things written on the fences. Well, nobody takes it seriously.
          A * bury * with us can be the president, prime minister or profile deputy prime minister.
          And I also sometimes think - in Karabakh, who will survive whom?
        6. Orionvit
          Orionvit 3 January 2018 14: 03 New
          +4
          Quote: xetai9977
          And the video shows a completely modern missile system

          It seems to be an adult, and you write all sorts of nonsense. Believe in commercials, remind you how they are removed? The best weapon advertising was in Russia in Syria, and everything else is noodles for gullible users.
          It is not known who will survive whom.
          Have you moved away from the new year?
          1. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 4 January 2018 23: 49 New
            0
            Quote: Orionvit
            The best advertising of weapons was in Russia in Syria


            What for example? What Russian weapons in Syria so advertised themselves that in consequence led to contracts?
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 5 January 2018 09: 32 New
              0
              Quote: karabas-barabas
              What Russian weapons in Syria so advertised themselves that in consequence led to contracts?

              What Russian weapons have proven themselves? All. Both old and new.
        7. Juborg
          Juborg 3 January 2018 15: 20 New
          +1
          Only its dimensions are much larger, even the dimensions of the Points missile. In addition, it is only an engine, with a rocket will be in two. It turns out that the Kokli create a rocket in the dimensions of the Triden. laughing hi

          The second question is who are going to shoot? I think the answer will be scary and here even your Allah is not their helper, dear xetai9977. Only one thing is bad, ordinary citizens will suffer, and those who started it will sit in Vienna, drink cognac and shout about Russian aggression.
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 3 January 2018 17: 29 New
            +3
            I have already written down below - that if the Nazis decide to crave for Russia and even more so, as some here advise, for nuclear power plants am , for such tricks, Russia will get them out of the ground and even Vienna or the "aorta" will not be salvation. Then the fate of Trotsky "morning walk on a sunny meadow" seems. Udugova, even in Qatar, was torn to pieces in the United States if that “accident” could occur. Read how traitors to Russia live there, how every loud pop will die.
        8. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 3 January 2018 16: 23 New
          +2
          Well, yes, the growth rate of Ukraine’s GDP in %% is certainly high especially in the military-industrial complex, if previously they made 1,5 tanks per year, now 15 growth is already 1000%))) ...
        9. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 3 January 2018 18: 22 New
          +3
          Do you even imagine how much time, money and technology it takes to create a COMPLEX! They simply showed a painted truck and a burning old Soviet slightly modernized engine. And that’s all)) And who will do them guidance systems, control, etc.?))) It's decades. On the ruin? With their financing ?? I do not think))))
        10. LeonidL
          LeonidL 3 January 2018 18: 59 New
          +1
          It’s easier to grow from scratch ... but the appearance still does not mean anything. The layout can be beautifully cut out of plywood and painted, it will be just a miracle how modern. This is for example.
        11. vel pro
          vel pro 3 January 2018 22: 22 New
          +1
          live there and see for yourself
        12. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 00: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: xetai9977
          In addition, Ukrainian GDP is growing at a much faster rate than Russian.

          recourse recourse recourse for starters, you would have bothered to find out how much the Khokhlyat GDP has fallen since 2014 before making such statements !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
        13. brr1
          brr1 4 January 2018 11: 49 New
          0
          Armenians will survive all
      2. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 4 January 2018 12: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Nick
        Ukraine itself is turning into a ruin and at a fairly fast pace.

        only for some reason there roads are being reconstructed at an accelerated pace, which was not even with the "best choice of the Ukrainian people" - Yanukovych
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 4 January 2018 15: 21 New
          +1
          To the "tired bridge" already in the "capital" itself, in Kiev, rub this propaganda.
          I heard that even in infoviisk in Ukraine they can’t get smart. Everything is there with help as Parubia himself.
          1. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 4 January 2018 18: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            To the "tired bridge" already in the "capital" itself, in Kiev, rub this propaganda.

            a tired bridge will be served a hundred years at lunch as without any madanas
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 16: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: prosto_rgb
          Quote: Nick
          Ukraine itself is turning into a ruin and at a fairly fast pace.

          only for some reason there roads are being reconstructed at an accelerated pace, which was not even with the "best choice of the Ukrainian people" - Yanukovych


          Movement is death. 97% of roads are broken in Ukraine
          “Almost the entire network [170 thousand km], about 97% of the roads, except for those that have been restored in recent years at the expense of international financial organizations, are in a terrible state," said Nikolai Berezovsky, head of Ukravtodor, at a press conference on April 14 .

          https://korrespondent.net/business/economics/3675
          432-dvyzhenye-smert-v-ukrayne-razbyty-97-doroh

          this is news from April 2016 !! wink laughing laughing laughing What, is Yanyk still stealing ?? wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing By the way, voice your "reconstructed at an accelerated pace" ... how many meters of the road were actively reconstructed ?? !!! winked winked laughing laughing laughing

          I've found what fun !!! recourse recourse lol lol laughing laughing laughing

          In the first half of 2017, 372 km of public roads from the planned 3437,9 km were repaired in Ukraine.
          In 2016, overhaul and current average repair of public roads with a length of 928 km of roads was carried out in Ukraine, which amounted to slightly more than 60% of the plan (1538,2 km).
          http://hronika.info/ekonomika/253627-plan-po-remo
          ntu-dorog-v-ukraine-za-2017-god-vypolnen-na-10.ht
          ml
          wassat wassat lol lol lol
          1. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 4 January 2018 18: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            this is news from April 2016 !!

            so we are already in 2018
            however I speak for the end of 2017 and what is seen with my own eyes
            and the difference must be said striking, compared with what was
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 18: 18 New
              +3
              Quote: prosto_rgb
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              this is news from April 2016 !!

              so we are already in 2018
              however I speak for the end of 2017 and what is seen with my own eyes
              and the difference must be said striking, compared with what was

              I took off about half of 2017 !!! and there the numbers finally can’t impress !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing and taking into account the killed 97% of all roads, it’s not even a drop in the ocean, but something like .... molecules in the ocean !!! laughing laughing laughing
        3. the lord
          the lord 7 January 2018 09: 27 New
          0
          is 300 km of roads an accelerated pace? surround yourself
    2. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 3 January 2018 10: 18 New
      +8
      In appearance it is a clunker and no more.
    3. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat 3 January 2018 10: 35 New
      +7
      If the stage of bench tests of engines is under way, then show the car is to show a plywood layout of how it might look like ...
      Until the creation of the rocket (the pairing of the engine with the guidance, control and payload blocks) is another years. And only after practicing a series of successful launches from the stand, the rocket will be put on the carrier ....
      And yes, something futuristic for parades and exhibitions was piled from plywood.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 January 2018 11: 02 New
        12
        R&D (and then production) is paid for by Saudi Arabia. So there is money.
        And development in general for the Saudis.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 January 2018 11: 46 New
          0
          And that Saudi Arabia cannot buy ATACMS from the USA.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 January 2018 12: 13 New
            10
            Ukrainian, I think, will cost less.
            What do the Saudis need? - Fuck a city in Iran or Yemen.
            So cheap and cheerful.
            1. Dreamboat
              Dreamboat 3 January 2018 14: 46 New
              +6
              Well then, they had to buy Fau 2 technology from Germany: also one-stage, range and more combat weight, plus the proven technology and the supplier are more reliable ....
              1. prosto_rgb
                prosto_rgb 4 January 2018 13: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: Dreamboat
                plus proven technology and a more reliable supplier ....

                technology has long been forgotten
                the last suppliers at the Nuremberg trials were present, and by no means as spectators
            2. brr1
              brr1 4 January 2018 11: 50 New
              0
              I wonder if the Hussites will capture the Saudis where they fly?
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 4 January 2018 12: 03 New
                0
                It could happen. And in Saudi Arabia, the regime may collapse.
                These missiles can be in any hands. And to be in Israel
                started up, including.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 January 2018 11: 49 New
          +1
          Although for the survival of design bureaus and manufacturers in Ukraine, only export remains.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 3 January 2018 14: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Although for the survival of design bureaus and production workers in Ukraine, only export remains

            The fact of the matter is that hastily produced modernized (often through one place), Soviet developments, moreover, in single copies. Well, they rivet a couple of complexes, subject to bringing them to work, the availability of money, specialists, time and much more. And all this is not in Ukraine. From the word at all. What would some "literate" not write here.
            1. Blackbeard
              Blackbeard 3 January 2018 14: 23 New
              0
              surviving senior citizens tucked up
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 3 January 2018 14: 36 New
                0
                Quote: blackbeard
                surviving senior citizens tucked up

                A surviving pensioner can only advise. But to do it all the same, who will?
          2. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich 3 January 2018 21: 35 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Although for the survival of design bureaus and manufacturers in Ukraine, only export remains.

            But engineers and hard workers will get what, from this export?
        3. svp67
          svp67 3 January 2018 12: 10 New
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          R&D (and then production) is paid for by Saudi Arabia.

          Well, it’s not for nothing that he was painted under the desert ...
        4. co-creator
          co-creator 3 January 2018 12: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          R&D (and then production) is paid for by Saudi Arabia. So there is money.
          And development in general for the Saudis.

          Money doesn't solve everything. The maximum is the sawn "dot" and then when they will finish it and whether they can very big question.
        5. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 3 January 2018 16: 27 New
          0
          Thanks for the explanation, but I think why the camouflage of this wunderwafer is deserted)))
      2. svp67
        svp67 3 January 2018 12: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Dreamboat
        Until the creation of the rocket (the pairing of the engine with the guidance, control, and payload blocks) another years

        Less, now this time is less. Moreover, they have had blanks since the days of the USSR.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 3 January 2018 12: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Dreamboat
          Until the creation of the rocket (the pairing of the engine with the guidance, control, and payload blocks) another years

          Less, now this time is less. Moreover, they have had blanks since the days of the USSR.

          Tell us about these blanks?
          1. svp67
            svp67 3 January 2018 13: 05 New
            0
            Quotation: blooded man
            Tell us about these blanks?

            http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-597.html
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 3 January 2018 13: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-597.html

              Again mriy about non-existent operating time)
      3. Mih1974
        Mih1974 3 January 2018 17: 39 New
        +2
        lol I don’t know why, but the persistent sensation from the video test of the engine is that this is an old development, if not at all unscrewed from the “point”, of the engine.
        Maybe someone also noticed that the engine is painted belay , and it is precisely in the colors and caller of already serial rockets request Watch the video for 22 seconds - a black tank with fuel, well, that's what you want to say it is Serial, even the marking is clearly serial. That is, they either try to pass off the engine from something else as tests or try to upgrade the "old reserves" for new tasks. In any case, this is not a new development.
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 3 January 2018 10: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      I have written more than once in the comments that there are both production and specialists .. -

      Develop a system and launch in a series of things of different order. This rocket is not the first, it cannot reach the end.
      It’s not even a matter of Russia. Knowing the unpredictable nature of the Ukrainian authorities and the allies, they will not especially want to help her in this regard, where later this information may turn out to be completely unknown.
    5. Genry
      Genry 3 January 2018 11: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      In appearance, it is a completely modern system.

      Yeah ... With a fifth wheel and an incomprehensible shape. And missiles are not visible at all, i.e. not.
    6. Berkut24
      Berkut24 3 January 2018 11: 49 New
      +1
      In appearance, a completely modern system

      And what is the modern appearance? In square launchers? In the chassis of 3 armored personnel carriers with traditional Ukrainian basins? By the way, judging by the conveyance, the cross-country ability will be much worse than that of the “Point” or “Iskander”.
    7. COJIDAT
      COJIDAT 3 January 2018 12: 43 New
      0
      Saudis pay, and the Saudis decide)
    8. co-creator
      co-creator 3 January 2018 12: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      In appearance, it is a completely modern system ..

      you are a giant right.
      Quote: 210ox
      .I have written more than once in the comments that there are both production and specialists ..

      There are specialists, there is no production anymore.
      Quote: 210ox
      And to wait when everything falls apart there is hopeless business.

      everything has already fallen apart
    9. Orionvit
      Orionvit 3 January 2018 13: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      I have already written more than once in the comments that there are both production and specialists

      And I wrote more than once that in Ukraine, there was only the appearance of production and the appearance of specialists. All they can do is loud commercials. The maximum, so these are single samples, not brought to technical validity. And it takes years, specialists, and a huge material base to complete it. With all this, problems.
    10. NEXUS
      NEXUS 3 January 2018 14: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      .And what and how there with TTX it is still necessary to see.

      This is the work of our intelligence. If there is something outstanding, then our specialists will know this and possibly receive documentation from intelligence on this missile.
    11. Lex.
      Lex. 3 January 2018 16: 22 New
      0
      They also threatened that the Crimean bridge was under the gun, but in the media they immediately remembered the current from I wonder whose chassis really could
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 01: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Lex.
        They also threatened that the Crimean bridge was under the gun, but in the media they immediately remembered the current from I wonder whose chassis really could

        the attempt to rave about the bridge will end for the Svidamites very sadly !! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing maybe not even current for Svidamitov, but for all of their hohland !!! lol lol lol
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 4 January 2018 08: 19 New
          0
          There are a lot of frostbite from the right sector, maybe Poroshenko doesn’t want a war, but these people dream of it
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 16: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Lex.
            There are a lot of frostbite from the right sector, maybe Poroshenko doesn’t want a war, but these people dream of it

            if they shmallit over the bridge, then Russia will no longer understand who wanted what, and who was against !!! and so already got a bunch of problems, trying to divide hohland into "normal adequate Ukrainians", Svidamitov, hatskraynikov, etc., etc !!! negative negative negative
        2. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 5 January 2018 00: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          the attempt to rave about the bridge will end for the Svidamites very sadly !!


          And what's worse, a rocket to collapse a bridge, or to destroy a combat aircraft with two pilots? I remember they also said that they won’t get off with tomatoes ..
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 5 January 2018 00: 44 New
            +5
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            I remember they also said that they won’t get off with tomatoes ..

          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 5 January 2018 01: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            the attempt to rave about the bridge will end for the Svidamites very sadly !!


            And what's worse, a rocket to collapse a bridge, or to destroy a combat aircraft with two pilots? I remember they also said that they won’t get off with tomatoes ..

            it means you did not follow the fate of Turkey after a quarrel with Russia ... but these are your problems ... you can continue to believe that they had everything good after that !!! request request request tongue tongue tongue By the way, if you didn’t notice, then the Turkaras got Russia with their whining about tomatoes !! request request laughing laughing laughing
          3. the lord
            the lord 7 January 2018 09: 34 New
            0
            And about the fate of the litters, that our bomber was shot down, didn’t they hear anything? They sit with the deprivation of all ranks and awards as accomplices of Gulen. Those. no future, no career. and there you go and families touched ... darkness and horror
  2. universe1
    universe1 3 January 2018 08: 37 New
    +1
    And why does the tractor have such relatively small wheels?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 January 2018 08: 41 New
      +2
      I think that they put what was at hand .. You see, the wings allow you to put more .. By the way, it was all done with the money of the SA, so what could it be a whim of the Sultans? wassat
      Quote: universe1
      And why does the tractor have such relatively small wheels?
    2. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 3 January 2018 22: 56 New
      0
      The wheels are similar to KRAZ. therefore, small. Just apparently there is no choice.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 January 2018 08: 44 New
    +4
    Oh how scary wassat Point -Y in restyling mode. The question is not that someone can develop something, but that it is "something" that must be put into service. And so that this calculation does not kill, as theirs "Hammer"
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 January 2018 08: 46 New
      +4
      Yes, it’s not scary. It’ll just go to Saudi Arabia. And by the way, Point-U in good hands is a formidable weapon.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Oh how scary wassat Point -Y in restyling mode. The question is not that someone can develop something
    2. Professor
      Professor 3 January 2018 08: 50 New
      16
      A rocket stuffed with explosives kills. Even Kasam made on his knee kills. And if such a missile hits the 9-floor, then there will be a hundred victims. So yes, scary.
      1. Fedorov
        Fedorov 3 January 2018 09: 31 New
        +3
        Are you hinting at the 2000 year that Point U collapsed on the roof of the 9 storey in Brovary? There was a blank, three dead. The teachings of Krivorukov damn ... They pulled on 30 km, and flew on 90 ... Scary. Although everyone's business, how to relate to death.
        1. Professor
          Professor 3 January 2018 12: 22 New
          +5
          Quote: Fedorov
          Are you hinting at the 2000 year that Point U collapsed on the roof of the 9 storey in Brovary? There was a blank, three dead. The teachings of Krivorukov damn ... They pulled on 30 km, and flew on 90 ... Scary. Although everyone's business, how to relate to death.

          EMNIP then in the described case, the missile was training without a warhead. Therefore, 9-and the floor survived.

          Quote: Mih1974
          Sorry, but for a country that, even in cooperation, made missiles at the World level, making “kasam” is no longer an “achievement”, but a Shame !! Actually, it is the level of "kasama" that is supposed

          There is no doubt that Ukraine is capable of creating an operational tactical world-class missile. For this they have both technology and specialists and money. It would be a political decision.

          Quote: Mih1974
          I summarize - a new missile or fiction or so much gold that not a single thing will enter the APU. Therefore, do not pay attention to the news.

          Nevertheless, you not only drew attention to the news, but even commented on it. Whether this rocket will be in the Ukrainian army or not, we cannot know. IMHO will be so it will allow to keep Russian nuclear power plants at gunpoint.

          Quote: Mih1974
          Unfortunately, the Nazis from ukrovermaht "perfectly cope" with the "old rusty" MLRS and artillery.

          Let’s only without snot about “fascists”, “ukrovermaht”, etc. The article is not Elena Gromova, but a normal piece of equipment. request
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 3 January 2018 13: 09 New
            +4
            Quote: Professor
            There is no doubt that Ukraine is capable of creating an operational tactical world-class missile. For this they have both technology and specialists and money.

            Where does such confidence come from if they never created and cost OTRK? Where did their technology come from? They can and can copy the “POINT”, but this is no longer the world level.
            Quote: Professor
            IMHO will be so it will allow to keep Russian nuclear power plants at gunpoint.

            Have you drunk something? Damn the only adequate Jew ... was.

            Quote: Professor
            Let’s only without snot about “fascists”, “ukrovermaht”, etc. The article is not Elena Gromova, but a normal piece of equipment.

            In this article there is nothing about the materiel, since there is no mate part itself. This is how to declare an “alder” a high-precision missile when shooting in .. sea.
            1. Professor
              Professor 3 January 2018 14: 21 New
              +1
              Quotation: blooded man
              Where does such confidence come from if they never created and cost OTRK? Where did their technology come from? They can and can copy the “POINT”, but this is no longer the world level.

              From a personal acquaintance with the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. Ukraine is not North Korea, can make any rocket. If he wants to.

              Quotation: blooded man
              Have you drunk something? Damn the only adequate Jew ... was.

              Why go to the person, dear? In your opinion, can only Russia be kept at gunpoint?

              Quotation: blooded man
              In this article there is nothing about the materiel, since there is no mate part itself. This is how to declare an “alder” a high-precision missile when shooting in .. sea.

              The seeker - let him find, the thirsty - yes seek!
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 3 January 2018 16: 23 New
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                From a personal acquaintance with the Ukrainian military-industrial complex.

                So it’s not from where. Clearly, clearly.

                Quote: Professor
                Why go to the person, dear? In your opinion, can only Russia be kept at gunpoint?

                Dear, why are you writing such nonsense? You are an adequate person.
                In the Russian Federation, people are adequate and no one is holding nuclear power plants at gunpoint. You either went over or the eclipse found on you.

                Quote: Professor
                The seeker - let him find, the thirsty - yes seek!

                Well, of course you know better laughing
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 01: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  You either went over or the eclipse found on you.

                  lol lol lol good good good
              2. Ramzaj99
                Ramzaj99 3 January 2018 18: 34 New
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                Where does such confidence come from if they never created and cost OTRK? Where did their technology come from? They can and can copy the “POINT”, but this is no longer the world level.
                From a personal acquaintance with the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. Ukraine is not North Korea, can make any rocket. If he wants to.

                Professor I look at the jack of all trades))))
                This is the one who declared at the beginning of the Syrian company that Russian planes are useless there, and they will not be able to bomb anyone, since all the terrorists will scatter through the cracks, and they will not get anywhere from above, but they will knock them down below. And Russia will have to lead an army there and there will be more victims than in Afghanistan and it will drag on for decades and Russia will not pull it financially and the troops are not ready, etc., etc.)))))
                I would not listen to the opinion of such a specialist)))))) If only under the heading "humor"))))
                1. Professor
                  Professor 3 January 2018 20: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ramzaj99
                  This is the one who stated at the beginning of the Syrian company that

                  A link to the studio on my similar statements.
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 01: 58 New
              +1
              Quotation: blooded man
              In this article there is nothing about the materiel, since there is no mate part itself. This is how to declare an “alder” a high-precision missile when shooting in .. sea.

              lol lol lol good good good
          2. Mih1974
            Mih1974 3 January 2018 16: 44 New
            +2
            am For me, fascists are fascists, regardless of who they “finally decide” and what kind of blood they themselves are.
            I’m “paying attention” not to the fact of an allegedly new rocket because I have already set forth the arguments in favor of its failure, but to the “noise” that the media raised around this “news”.
            Well, about "keeping the nuclear power plant under the gun": an attack by the ukrovermaht on Russia will result in such a powerful retaliatory strike, moreover, the ringleaders themselves (begging themselves) that leaves them no chance of survival, and these scum are not going to die; but a blow to a nuclear power plant is not even a death sentence for them, for SUCH we’ll not get them out of the ground, we will even tear them out of America and then hang them on aspen in Russia !! am And anyone, even the United States, who has stood between us and these geeks is "buried in the ground." This is not a joke about the "war with Russia" on TV. Of course, I don’t have Facts, but I can feel that there is either an unwritten agreement or an “internal instruction” - to consider sabotage in enterprises leading to technological disasters as a Declaration of War !! negative So with all the frivolous madness of the leaders of the Ukrainian fascists, they are not so crazy that they would strike at Russian nuclear power plants. No.
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 3 January 2018 09: 37 New
        +7
        Sorry, but for a country that, even in cooperation, made rockets at the World level, making “kasam” is no longer an “achievement”, but a Shame !! negative Actually, it is the level of "kasama" that is supposed. Here it is necessary to rely on several incontrovertible facts: 1) Ukraine did not have the complete Tochka-U technological cycle, which means that even for repetition it needed to find the missing modules and coordinate all this, even for Russia it was difficult; 2) even for the USSR, OTKs were not a cheap pleasure, but now for Ukraine, and even more so when purchasing imported modules, these missiles will really be “golden”. 3) Ukraine has screwed up ALL import military orders, well, absolutely EVERYTHING, even such a simple thing as the armored personnel carriers managed to screw up, so it’s not logical to expect “well then it will be different” mm “.”
        I summarize - a new rocket or fiction, or so much gold that not a single thing will arrive in the APU. Therefore, do not pay attention to the news. Unfortunately, the Nazis from ukrovermaht "perfectly cope" and the "old rusty" MLRS and artillery. negative
      3. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 3 January 2018 10: 21 New
        +6
        Another grenade in the hairy hand of Ukraine.
      4. Kent0001
        Kent0001 3 January 2018 10: 52 New
        +1
        Well, that's just how you reflected the whole essence of ukrovermahtma-shoot at high-rise buildings. Straight on Freud.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 3 January 2018 09: 38 New
      +4
      Starting customer and financier project - KSA.
      MOU - if it connects, then after passing 70% of the order to KSA.

      However, the MOU will come to everything ready. That is, there will be a rocket, tests will be performed, there will be a launch and a chassis, there will be production of all this - with the help of KSA. That is, the money will be available and most likely the order will be. And it’s not a fact that at 300km, and not at 500, because there will be no restrictions. One design bureau knows the reserves for increasing fuel.

      Take closer to the Border near Kharkov and draw a circle in 300km. Further to 500km. What gets there.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 January 2018 09: 03 New
    +1
    It is reported that the "operational-tactical missile system" Thunder "is being developed to destroy single and group stationary targets at distances from 50 to 280 km."
    ... even if it doesn’t get where it should be, there will still be victims ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 January 2018 11: 43 New
      +1
      These missiles will be able to strike at the Crimea and our nuclear power plants, in the event of a large-scale war.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 3 January 2018 13: 15 New
        +1
        You are clearly a sick person. At nuclear power plants only suicide bombers can shoot. What Poroshenko or Turchinov look like a suicide bomber?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 January 2018 14: 31 New
          0
          “Only suicide bombers can shoot at nuclear power plants” And psychos, and there are a dime a dozen of these in Ukraine - all sorts and different.
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 3 January 2018 16: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Only nuclear bombers can shoot at nuclear power plants. "And psychos, and there are a dime a dozen of these in Ukraine - all sorts and different.

            Who will trust psychos such a thing? This is not an RPG-7, dozens of people are involved here.
          2. Mih1974
            Mih1974 3 January 2018 16: 48 New
            +1
            You didn’t understand the last post - Only the Head of the Ukrainian anti-fascists can give an order to strike at Russian nuclear power plants and, worse, WE will be considered responsible for not only that moron that will execute such an order, but in any case, “present the bill” to their Head (outside depending on last name).
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 3 January 2018 17: 13 New
              0
              "Only the Head of Ukrainian Ukrofascists can give an order to strike at Russian nuclear power plants" And some tsars are temporary bosses, in a situation when power ceases to exist and anarchy sets in, each will be its own master, under the control of cockroaches inside, such potential self-governing people, now 90 percent of Ukraine is in Ukraine.
              1. Mih1974
                Mih1974 3 January 2018 17: 51 New
                +1
                Here, in order to prevent such “heavily armed kings” - during the collapse of the country, the external strong Countries carry out special operations, as they once did to remove all nuclear weapons from the “Union republics” to Russia. The same thing I think will happen when Ukraine breaks down to the level of regions - the “local kings” will be “strongly advised” to transfer to Russia or to destroy the OTC themselves, because otherwise “unknown planes” (or unknown cruise missiles) will destroy the launchers in the places of deployment. lol
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 3 January 2018 20: 02 New
                  0
                  In the summer of 2014, one civilian and two servicemen of the Russian Federation were killed - on our territory and did not see any response. In 2016, in Crimea, two of our border guards were killed, and we also supported the retreating DRG with artillery - there was no response from our side either. After the attack on nuclear power plants, ours will deal with the destroyed station and liquidate the consequences, and those who let it go quickly get their hands on it. And again, Russia will be exposed as a sucker - as with a downed Sushka, as with our diplomatic missions in the United States, and as with OI 2018.
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 4 January 2018 03: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    After the attack on nuclear power plants, ours will deal with the destroyed station and liquidate the consequences, and those who let it go quickly get their hands on it. And again, Russia will be exposed as a sucker - like with a downed Sushka,

                    Vadim you need to be treated. An attack on a nuclear power plant will actually cause a nuclear explosion, after which no one will deal with anything. they’ll just dust the city of Kiev. The West himself will personally catch all the Valtsmanov and the Turchinovs and hand over to Putin and will swear that he has nothing to do with this matter and that in general they do not need Ukraine, do whatever you want with it.
            2. co-creator
              co-creator 3 January 2018 18: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: Mih1974
              The order to strike at Russian nuclear power plants can be given only by the Head of the Ukrofascists, and worse

              Do you think Poroshenko or Turchinov suicides? After that, they will all be cut to the root or dragged in a cage and no America will save them, moreover, the Americans themselves will surrender them to us only to prove their innocence. Believe me, the whole Ukrainian elite wanted to spit on ukranstvo, they want to eat well, sleep and still steer the brainless herd.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 02: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        These missiles will be able to strike at the Crimea and our nuclear power plants, in the event of a large-scale war.

        what what what who will let them calmly strike the above-mentioned blows ??? recourse wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
  5. polpot
    polpot 3 January 2018 09: 09 New
    +2
    It is necessary to help in the trials so that there are no living testers and developers, it’s harmful to give dangerous toys to nonhumans
  6. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 3 January 2018 09: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: aszzz888
    It is reported that the "operational-tactical missile system" Thunder "is being developed to destroy single and group stationary targets at distances from 50 to 280 km."
    ... even if it doesn’t get where it should be, there will still be victims ...

    It’s not a weapon that kills - a person kills, but here it is important for what purpose he uses it and whether he knows how to use it wisely.
    1. oldzek
      oldzek 3 January 2018 09: 29 New
      +2
      It has long been known that the main detail of any weapon is its owner’s head. But here’s the problem. Now I’m not quite using weapons at the edge of the head ....
  7. Mih1974
    Mih1974 3 January 2018 09: 46 New
    +6
    By the way, I advise you to watch the video lol And ask yourself a question - what was it? I understand this "rocket test"


    And what the Ukrainians showed is a rolling pin, a dough and no “dumplings” about which there was actually a speech. lol
  8. RUSS
    RUSS 3 January 2018 09: 48 New
    +5
    Well done Ukrainians, in their position.
    1. Tusk
      Tusk 3 January 2018 09: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      Well done Ukrainians, in their position.

      Well done, of course, but no matter how she flew to the other side ..! Again, Russia will be blamed, etc.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 3 January 2018 10: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Tusk
        Well done, of course, but no matter how she flew in the completely different direction.

        In another, which one?
        1. Tusk
          Tusk 3 January 2018 11: 36 New
          0
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Tusk
          Well done, of course, but no matter how she flew in the completely different direction.

          In another, which one?

          To Poland for example .. bullyBaltic States, Belarus .. And maybe even to Turkey !!!
          The massacre should begin, such an installation of the State Department ...
      2. Lex.
        Lex. 3 January 2018 16: 29 New
        0
        Well, the Saudis give money for the development of rockets
      3. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 02: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Tusk
        but no matter how she flew to the other side ..

        lol lol lol lol lol lol good good good
  9. Fedorov
    Fedorov 3 January 2018 09: 57 New
    +6
    I still found those times when giving grandmas for a term paper or diploma was considered a shame. I tried to become an officer. And now, going into the alma mater, I wonder, who and how much talk.
    And what they designed there, one Ukrainian god knows. Although there are still shots - fans, they don’t care about politics .. Wherever they create what they created, they don’t care.
  10. Moskovit
    Moskovit 3 January 2018 09: 58 New
    +3
    Where's the rocket launch? Where is the hit video? Or is it a beggar clip. Look, we have a machine painted in desert camouflage and an accelerating block rewound with electrical tape. Give some pennies.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 3 January 2018 10: 17 New
      +1
      In Karaganda
      Test video appeared on the Internet Engine missiles

      missile system currently ready for field trials.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 3 January 2018 10: 59 New
        +4
        Karaganda Estonian, the news is called a rocket test. And not the engine.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 3 January 2018 11: 05 New
          0
          He returned above, re-read - the news consists of 6 simple sentences ... six ...

          Happy New Year to you, do not be angry greatly.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 3 January 2018 12: 00 New
            +2
            Such tests are performed at the FCTC “Soyuz” for ten per day. The engine is not a rocket. When she flies and gets, then this can be called the "test of a new rocket."
  11. m.cempbell
    m.cempbell 3 January 2018 10: 10 New
    +5
    What does an inertial missile control system mean ??? The inertial guidance system happens, and the control system is digital, analog or digital-to-analog. Ignorant journalists ... Do not understand the topic - do not write.
  12. Yarhann
    Yarhann 3 January 2018 10: 11 New
    +3
    I wonder where it will take gyroscopes
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 3 January 2018 10: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Yarhann
      I wonder where it will take gyroscopes

      Picked up from smartphones laughing
      A gyroscope is a small square-shaped part in touchscreen phones and tablets that perceives device deviations in space. It is closely connected to the boards, in order to access it you need to disassemble the device. lol
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 3 January 2018 16: 57 New
        +2
        not funny, it’s for mortars (like barmalei) you can attach a tablet and calculate the trajectory of a mine, but you can’t insert a tablet (in parts) into a rocket No. . Here the reaction rate should be completely different, fault tolerance and much more
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 4 January 2018 18: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Yarhann
      I wonder where it will take gyroscopes

      clear business where
      Hartron - Does It Say Anything?
      1. Yarhann
        Yarhann 29 May 2018 22: 14 New
        -1
        yes, somehow I forgot about him.
  13. FLOOD
    FLOOD 3 January 2018 10: 42 New
    +6
    Quote: Nick
    Ukraine itself is turning into a ruin and at a fairly fast pace.

    Reports show the opposite ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 3 January 2018 10: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: TUFAN
      Quote: Nick
      Ukraine itself is turning into a ruin and at a fairly fast pace.

      Reports show the opposite ...

      The urapatriots sleep and see how Ukraine will fall apart, and we will pick up the leftovers.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 3 January 2018 13: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        The urapatriots sleep and see how Ukraine will fall apart, and we will pick up the leftovers.

        Are you about yourself? Patriots Ukraine tries not tossed, but it is falling apart is just a fact.
    2. co-creator
      co-creator 3 January 2018 13: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: TUFAN
      Reports show the opposite ...

      Whose reports? The IMF says Ukraine takes 4th place in the world in poverty.
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 02: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: TUFAN
      Quote: Nick
      Ukraine itself is turning into a ruin and at a fairly fast pace.

      Reports show the opposite ...

      what what what what reports ??? wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing if you have not noticed, then hohland since March 2014 began to fall apart !! wink yes lol lol lol there is such a country - Somalia ... it type exists as a state and has a representative office in the UN, but this does not mean that everything is there in a bunch ... rather the opposite !! wink wink Here the same fate awaits hohland! request request request tongue tongue laughing laughing laughing
    4. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 03: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: TUFAN
      Quote: Nick
      Ukraine itself is turning into a ruin and at a fairly fast pace.

      Reports show the opposite ...


      "Emperor" earns, people endure: Ukraine - results of the year in the economy

      https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2364449.html
  14. Old26
    Old26 3 January 2018 12: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Mih1974
    Sorry, but for a country that, even in cooperation, made rockets at the World level, making “kasam” is no longer an “achievement”, but a Shame !! :

    Actually an achievement. The achievement that a quarter of a century after the collapse of the Union can still do something. Ukraine, as you correctly wrote, you did all this (at the world level) in cooperation. In cooperation, Uzbekistan also produced IL-4. And where is this production now. This is good or bad, but the product was brought to field trials, unlike all previous Borisfenov, Korshutov, and Sapsanov.

    Quote: Mih1974
    Actually, it is the level of "kasama" that is supposed to be. Here it is necessary to rely on several irrefutable facts: 1) Ukraine did not have the full technological cycle “Tochka-U”, which means that even for repetition it needed to find the missing modules and coordinate all this, even for Russia it was difficult; 2) even for the USSR, OTKs were not a cheap pleasure, but now for Ukraine, and even more so when purchasing imported modules, these missiles will really be “golden”. 3) Ukraine has screwed up ALL import military orders, well, absolutely EVERYTHING, even such a simple thing as the armored personnel carriers managed to screw up, so it’s not logical to expect "well then it will be different" mm ".:

    The level is clearly not "Kasama." besides, even if
    1) Ukraine did not possess the full technological cycle of Tochka-U, it possessed the cycle of creating missile systems of the Zh-60 and Zh-61 type. The control system for so many ballistic missiles of the USSR was made in Kharkov.
    2) OTRK is really an expensive pleasure. Nok pays - he orders the music. The Saudis will pay the required amount, so the start-up can be covered with gold. As they say - any whims for your money
    3) Ukraine screwed up with armor, in particular with armored personnel carriers, that's true. But this was not the case with the missiles.

    Quote: Mih1974
    I summarize - a new rocket or fiction, or so much gold that not a single thing will arrive in the APU. Therefore, do not pay attention to the news. Unfortunately, the Nazis from ukrovermaht "perfectly cope" and the "old rusty" MLRS and artillery. negative

    In fact, it is necessary to summarize in the text. And the text says that this system is developed on request and for money Saudi arabia. So the question of the "golden" rocket for the APU is automatically removed. Further. The Saudis have rocket options for their amria. If, due to the principle, we refused to sell Iskander-E to them, then a holy place does not exist. There is Ukraine, there is China, after all. But the Saudis just can’t hang noodles on their ears, slipping a fiction instead of a real rocket
    1. FLOOD
      FLOOD 3 January 2018 16: 25 New
      0
      I agree, all the more so since the Saudis have long been so-called "in action" with both Thunder and Polonaise ....
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 3 January 2018 17: 14 New
      +3
      OK let's “beat” you on your own principles - name at least ONE sample of high-tech weapons that Ukraine developed independently and began to produce and sell in the world?
      My example about an armored personnel carrier is like an opoeosis of theft and degradation, because it was not possible to buy real armor steel for Your money good , but theft in Ukraine has reached such proportions and has “gnawed at so many brains” - that’s why even the armored personnel carriers managed to do so badly that they simply fell apart. Remember not the night mentioned "strongholds" - what is the matter with them, eh? lol And of course, “cherry on the cake” - the “hammer” that probably killed more of “its” fascists than civilians in the Donbass belay negative . To "break" the mortar is an extraordinary level.
      True, there is an option that throughout the military-industrial complex of Ukraine there are entirely “Kremlin agents” and they spoil all the equipment, drill holes in mortars, do not weld armored personnel carriers, well, etc .. This would be a wonderful option, but it’s much more likely that it’s - theft and corruption.
      And at the expense of "throwing" the Saudis - Ukrainians even threw the Chinese belay . There was a wonderful contract for the supply of corn to China, so even this ukriya is just a contract, and even with an advance payment (!!!) I knew how to crap and not fulfill it. negative I read the “debriefing” in which “in black in Russian” it was explained - “... even with a crop failure in Ukraine itself, there was a method of purchasing corn in Russia and sending it to China under the guise of its own. Even this option brought profit to Ukraine as a country .. .. "(c) Read this quote again - the resale of Russian corn gave Ukraine profit good , there was a contract for years good . Well, here’s a “wide Ukrinets’s meat”, you couldn’t even grow the corn yourself, just take profits from the resale of another's corn - NO negative . And after that, you want to convince us that they will not “throw” the Saudyuk and in general they will at least fulfill some contracts, especially in the development and production of high-tech products - oh well, I suppose you don’t believe it yourself. lol
      1. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 5 January 2018 02: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Mih1974
        OK let's “beat” you on your own principles - name at least ONE sample of high-tech weapons that Ukraine developed independently and began to produce and sell in the world?


        Let's, yes, the same BTR-3 and BTR-4, we ourselves have created from scratch and put in several countries, as well as in our army. There is nothing like this in the Russian Federation, apparently a modern APC apparently cannot create a Russian military-industrial complex. Just do not need Boomerang to remember where he is .. But the counter question is what in modern Russia they created, put into production from scratch and is successful in world markets? Not the Soviet Mi-8, Su-27 and T-72 and spare parts for them, but something similar to the same BTR-4 at least, that is, created from scratch?
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 02: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Mih1974
      Sorry, but for a country that, even in cooperation, made rockets at the World level, making “kasam” is no longer an “achievement”, but a Shame !! :

      Actually an achievement. The achievement that a quarter of a century after the collapse of the Union can still do something. Ukraine, as you correctly wrote, you did all this (at the world level) in cooperation. In cooperation, Uzbekistan also produced IL-4. And where is this production now. This is good or bad, but the product was brought to field trials, unlike all previous Borisfenov, Korshutov, and Sapsanov.

      Quote: Mih1974
      Actually, it is the level of "kasama" that is supposed to be. Here it is necessary to rely on several irrefutable facts: 1) Ukraine did not have the full technological cycle “Tochka-U”, which means that even for repetition it needed to find the missing modules and coordinate all this, even for Russia it was difficult; 2) even for the USSR, OTKs were not a cheap pleasure, but now for Ukraine, and even more so when purchasing imported modules, these missiles will really be “golden”. 3) Ukraine has screwed up ALL import military orders, well, absolutely EVERYTHING, even such a simple thing as the armored personnel carriers managed to screw up, so it’s not logical to expect "well then it will be different" mm ".:

      The level is clearly not "Kasama." besides, even if
      1) Ukraine did not possess the full technological cycle of Tochka-U, it possessed the cycle of creating missile systems of the Zh-60 and Zh-61 type. The control system for so many ballistic missiles of the USSR was made in Kharkov.
      2) OTRK is really an expensive pleasure. Nok pays - he orders the music. The Saudis will pay the required amount, so the start-up can be covered with gold. As they say - any whims for your money
      3) Ukraine screwed up with armor, in particular with armored personnel carriers, that's true. But this was not the case with the missiles.

      Quote: Mih1974
      I summarize - a new rocket or fiction, or so much gold that not a single thing will arrive in the APU. Therefore, do not pay attention to the news. Unfortunately, the Nazis from ukrovermaht "perfectly cope" and the "old rusty" MLRS and artillery. negative

      In fact, it is necessary to summarize in the text. And the text says that this system is developed on request and for money Saudi arabia. So the question of the "golden" rocket for the APU is automatically removed. Further. The Saudis have rocket options for their amria. If, due to the principle, we refused to sell Iskander-E to them, then a holy place does not exist. There is Ukraine, there is China, after all. But the Saudis just can’t hang noodles on their ears, slipping a fiction instead of a real rocket

      Russia was the basis of the USSR .... in principle, the USSR was muddied by a fragment of the Russian Empire, and then, by misunderstanding, it was muddied with the admiring borders, which created new dubious states during the collapse of the USSR !!! but they themselves can’t do anything sensible without Russia !!! negative negative request request wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
  15. bastard
    bastard 3 January 2018 12: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: Nick
    Quote: 210ox
    I have already written more than once in the comments that there are both production and specialists .. And to wait when everything falls apart there is hopeless.

    Everything was in the USSR, and cooler, BUT ... Alas, Ah! Ukraine itself is turning into a ruin and at a fairly fast pace.

    Maybe it’s turning, maybe it’s going to turn for a hundred years, walking around the stencils they say that it’s not so bad at all, and then in Russia not everything is smeared with honey, the old people barely barely make ends meet!
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 3 January 2018 13: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: bastard
      Maybe it’s turning, maybe a hundred years it will turn,

      It will depend on neighbors and geopolitics. They will press the Russian Federation and Ukraine to an end.
      Quote: bastard
      walking roleks say that it seems that everything is so bad, and then with us

      Well, that’s when they lived badly under Yanuk, and now not everything is so bad fellow
      Quote: bastard
      and then, in Russia, far from everything is smeared with honey, the old people barely barely make ends meet!

      What does Russia have to do with it?
  16. Sergey Gorn
    Sergey Gorn 3 January 2018 12: 47 New
    +4
    The Ukrainian Southern Design Bureau is much more lively than it seems to many. Consider at least an order for 12 Zenit missiles for Sea Launch, here work until 2023. As for OTRK Grom, its development began back in 2005, then it was discontinued in 2009 by decision of the then Minister of Defense of Ukraine Lebedev (now he is successfully working in the Crimea in the field of housing construction), and again resumed in 2013. They say that in terms of their performance characteristics Thunder is quite comparable with Iskander.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 3 January 2018 13: 01 New
      +3
      They say that chickens are milked. Iskander is a completely different rocket. And they are trying to modernize the Point. And yes, read where they created this miracle of technology.
      After the collapse of the USSR, due to the lack of military orders, the plant was forced to look for new market niches. Agricultural machinery was made at PMZ, but the enterprise became famous for the production of Mriya food processors.
      Russian newspaper 10:44
      1. Sergey Gorn
        Sergey Gorn 3 January 2018 13: 27 New
        +1
        Interestingly, the link is accurate to the minute, and the year is not specified. And in general, the WG is not the source that can be trusted, continuous propaganda of a certain direction ...
  17. co-creator
    co-creator 3 January 2018 13: 32 New
    0
    Quote: svp67
    http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-597.html

    Again mriyas issue for operating time)
    1. Methane
      Methane 3 January 2018 13: 54 New
      0
      http://rusvesna.su/news/1514966705
      Woo a la ...
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 3 January 2018 16: 26 New
        0
        Which should have been proved.
  18. Lexus
    Lexus 3 January 2018 13: 59 New
    +2
    Well, citizens of the forum users, history takes on such a shape that it will not work to sit out and get rid of concerns. Chamber 404 prepares offensive weapons with clear and explicit goals. What will be the reaction of Russia? I recently re-read all the publicly available information on similar situations that have occurred in the Middle East. Namely, the following operations aroused my interest:
    1. Destruction of the Iraqi Air Force N-1 by the Iranian Air Force, on which the Tu-16 and Tu-22 long-range bombers were based, in 1981.
    2. "Opera" performed by the Israeli Air Force to destroy the Iraqi nuclear reactor "Osirak" in the same, 1981.
    3. The destruction of the Syrian nuclear reactor in Deir ez-Zor by the Israeli Air Force in 2007.
    4. The Israeli operation to destroy the Iranian-built missile production plant in Syria, carried out last year.
    Perhaps it's time to pluck the "peregrine falcons" and to cock the "thunder" in the bud? To be discouraged.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 January 2018 14: 33 New
      0
      Yes, there will not be any reaction - Russia is not up to it.
  19. Franciscan
    Franciscan 3 January 2018 14: 07 New
    0
    The wheels are small for some reason at the car.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 3 January 2018 15: 35 New
      +2
      Which they found ... Abi is not like Muscovites! laughing
  20. iouris
    iouris 3 January 2018 14: 22 New
    +1
    Instead of recognizing the regime in 2014, it was necessary to ban the operation of Russian nuclear reactors and the development of missiles, and participation in sanctions against Un only provided that similar sanctions were introduced against Poroshenko. Moscow, like Seoul, is too vulnerable.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 January 2018 14: 35 New
      0
      From the border to Moscow is clearly not 280 kilometers. But it will reach the Smolensk NPP.
  21. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 3 January 2018 14: 38 New
    0
    To launch such a complex, billions of Ukrainian money is needed. And "Pantsiri" do not sleep, they are constantly updated on the spent scientific and industrial base in Russia, and with guaranteed financing of the state defense order. If they go into the series of new Ukrainian missiles, so that they can on the battlefield? From the pipe they will fly out, but will they reach the positions of a probable opponent? By that time, the enemy will not be there, for he, this former opponent, will cut these missiles for scrap.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 January 2018 17: 15 New
      0
      Something I doubt that the Shell will be able to bring down the OTRK missile.
      1. Evgenijus
        Evgenijus 4 January 2018 09: 27 New
        0
        OTRK rocket is quite thick, flies into the target with its tanks and engine. Do not shell radar notice?
  22. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 3 January 2018 15: 01 New
    +2
    According to the channel, which refers to the military department, the missile system is currently ready for field testing.

    Do you want to repeat?
    On the afternoon of April 20, 2000, at seven minutes past three, the Tochka-U half-ton rocket was launched during exercises at the Goncharovsky training ground in the Chernihiv region (this is 90 kilometers from Brovary). At first, people were assured that the gas exploded. In fact, military equipment got out of control (the gas generators that controlled the rocket exploded.) And instead of a conditional target, it hit a residential building. The military did not admit their guilt for several days and even indicated a place on the training ground that the rocket allegedly hit. But the investigation showed: a rocket launched from the Goncharovsky training ground hit the building.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 4 January 2018 03: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Incvizitor
      The military did not admit their guilt for several days and even indicated a place on the training ground that the rocket allegedly hit.

      so you just had to stir up the top view and everything would be clear !!! wassat wassat wassat "... deviated from the course and at 15:07 got into a residential building in Brovary, breaking through the building from the ninth to the second floor ..."
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 5 January 2018 16: 05 New
        0
        It was still normal, albeit old USSR missiles, that they’ll do it right now and think scary ... my aunt is the head of the laboratory (they are engaged in flashing software of “calibers”) and they had a phone conversation, as soon as they made a mistake, the rocket didn’t reach to the goal, there was a lot of rustling, I now hope that the ukrobezyans, due to an error, will fly to Europe, let these jokes feel all the shit democracy on their skins.
  23. Gleb Molchanov
    Gleb Molchanov 3 January 2018 15: 32 New
    +2
    As for Thunder, to begin with, let them show not a test of the engine, but the launch of a rocket from containers. Then the accuracy of hitting the target and the correspondence of the flight range to the target. Then we'll see the layout or this complex. This is all for advertising so far, to raise the "spirit" ..
    1. Antares
      Antares 3 January 2018 23: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Gleb Molchanov
      As for Thunder, to begin with, let them show not a test of the engine, but the launch of a rocket from containers. Then the accuracy of hitting the target and the correspondence of the flight range to the target. Then we'll see the layout or this complex. This is all for advertising so far, to raise the "spirit" ..

      so by the way about the Mask said ....
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 4 January 2018 03: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Antares
        so by the way about the Mask said ....

        Behind the Mask is NASA, which is real and makes these rockets.
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 5 January 2018 02: 53 New
          0
          The idea, the concept, and the development of missiles in general, is the work of Musk and his people, NAZA certainly helps, as part of the competition, but the main work of Musk is done.
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 5 January 2018 03: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            The idea, the concept, and the development of missiles in general, is the work of Musk and his people, NAZA certainly helps, as part of the competition, but the main work of Musk is done.

            My dear, your new concept and development was applied on lunar walks back in 1969 in the USSR and in the same years in the American lunar program. Musk is an ordinary zits-chairman.
  24. Mentat
    Mentat 3 January 2018 15: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    “Commentators” (adequate) smoothly move into a new stage. They no longer declare the funeral of Yuzhmash, etc., they are now skeptics about bringing to mind and the possibility of mass production. Not only that - when this sample reaches the series, most of them sirony - they say it’s still worse than ours or “with the legacy left by the USSR, they could have done better for a long time ..." A win-win combination! The main thing to forget is that he wrote a year or two ago ...

    It's not about the commentators. Ukraine claims characteristics unattainable for their military-industrial complex (quasi-ballistic trajectory, evasion maneuvers, range up to 500 km). This is called PR. Meanwhile, an engine explosion was recorded on the only original video test of these missiles.
    Read at your leisure:
    https://regnum.ru/news/2269855.html
  25. Gleb Molchanov
    Gleb Molchanov 3 January 2018 15: 37 New
    +1
    "Thunder" is not about that: missile system tests in Ukraine ridiculed Web users
    On January 3, Ukrainian media joyfully distributed the video footage of the first field tests of the Thunder-2 operational-tactical missile system (OTRK).

    The Yuzhny Design Bureau, whose specialists are developing this complex, claims that the Thunder-2 will be able to hit single and group stationary targets at ranges from 50 to 280 km.

    It should be noted that in the bravura news on the results of the rocket engine test for Groma-2, a video from the YouTube channel of the National Industrial Portal was used (the first video).

    In this version, music is superimposed on the test video frames, and the duration of the clip is 1 minute 20 seconds.

    However, there is a more complete (1 minute 37 seconds), voiced version of the video, which also has the logo of KB "South" in the upper right corner (second video).

    But the Ukrainian media chose not to “notice” it for an understandable reason: it shows the explosion of the rocket engine during the second test.

    It is specified that the destruction occurred at the final site of the engine due to an off-design pressure increase above the permissible value.
    It is noteworthy that the uniform of the workers participating in the rocket engine tests shows the logo of the Pavlograd Mechanical Plant (PMZ): one of the units of Yuzhmash, which in Soviet times specialized in creating solid-fuel ballistic missiles.

    However, after Ukraine gained its “independence”, the glorious traditions of the enterprise sunk into oblivion, and PMZ switched to the production of Mriya agricultural machines and food processors.

    Network users also pay attention to the mismatch of the seasons: the video begins with summer shots, and engine tests are carried out in winter.
  26. Dormidont
    Dormidont 3 January 2018 16: 12 New
    +1
    Another Svidomo prodigy
  27. FLOOD
    FLOOD 3 January 2018 16: 18 New
    0
    Quotation: blooded man
    Quote: TUFAN
    Reports show the opposite ...

    Whose reports? The IMF says Ukraine takes 4th place in the world in poverty.

    Well, with this I agree ... partially))
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 5 January 2018 03: 50 New
      0
      Quote: TUFAN
      Well, with this I agree ... partially))

      You can’t argue with the facts. Of course, if you count the shadow economy, then Ukraine will improve its position but not by much.
  28. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 3 January 2018 16: 31 New
    0
    In what conflict did such complexes show their effectiveness? Now Ukraine is using their analogue of Tochka-U in the Donbas, as far as I am aware of some kind of efficiency, they have not distinguished themselves, and Thank God ...
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 5 January 2018 04: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Now Ukraine is using their analogue of Tochka-U in the Donbas, as far as I am aware of some kind of efficiency, they have not distinguished themselves, and Thank God ...

      ALL MISSIONS "POINTS -U" with expired dates. Therefore, they only hit the target a couple of times.
      And so the "points" were effectively used in Chechnya and in 8.8.8.
  29. lopvlad
    lopvlad 3 January 2018 18: 21 New
    +1
    missile tests for the new complex


    lucky ukrobanderovtsy. Imagine that someone near the fence is free, even in a small state such as Israel collects bombs, develops new weapons against him it is impossible to imagine.
    As for the performance characteristics of ukrobandera’s crafts, no matter what they are, this is still a weapon.
  30. rocket757
    rocket757 3 January 2018 19: 06 New
    +4
    Not the first and not the last thing that they already have almost and even better than anyone and have no analogues in the world.
    In short bullshit, which still will not be.
  31. Gvfrog
    Gvfrog 3 January 2018 22: 14 New
    +3
    I went in and looked at the video, neighing the flies, I got to the comments, and I don’t understand what the bazaar is for and what to pour from empty to empty. As a resident of this territorial misunderstanding, proudly called the most democratic state of Europe, I can authoritatively declare which developments and in general what kind of defense industry are we talking about, it has long ceased to exist and there is nothing to bury, here is a clear example somewhere about 1,5-2 years ago in the news proudly announced creation of the Plant them. Malysheva’s latest super-duper sanitary-evacuation machine for the Armed Forces and the transfer of the first 4 samples to the troops, we take the BTR-60 from the long-term storage depots or from the landfill, it’s not important, we remove the tower, we cut the roof, we cut the boxes on top of the door and we’ll equip the place for transporting 4 stretchers with the wounded inside, but the joke is that after about a couple of weeks I’m going to work in one structural unit of Kharkovgorgaz, the building adjoins the ZIM territory and the courtyard of the plant is visible from the windows, I looked there and there are three copies of this wunderwafer, and they stood close enough and I can safely declare combat damage, I somehow didn’t notice at least from the side from which I looked one car was missing a wheel with some of the suspension elements, the second burst the weld body, what happened to the third I do not know visually it was a whole repeat combat damage I did not notice any traces of any paint splashed in They simply took their present form and fell apart. In general, those who wish can find out about the state of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and about the attitude of official persons towards it on the blog of A. Shary. He has an interesting story there about a young Ukrainian genius, a patriot who invented a tank. Those who wish can familiarize themselves with what kind of tank in this story there are in Ukraine and new developments of the same and the military
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 3 January 2018 22: 37 New
      +4
      I had such an experiment, I tried to weld a channel to the armor plate ... everything ended sadly. Then the old master from Rambat explained to me that I was not a smart person at all (in other words, of course). I realized that working with armor is a technology, this is specially taught.
      So, we can assume that it’s extremely real ruin and expect that their equipment will ride, and that the rockets fly normally, this is more and more optimism, or rather stupidity.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 3 January 2018 23: 04 New
        +1
        It’s not only a matter of welding and far from a “base”, but a lot of stuffing, and people without a brain will certainly not create normal “brains” of a rocket laughing
  32. Old26
    Old26 4 January 2018 14: 06 New
    0
    Quotation: blooded man
    so that Yuzhmash has already died and it will not work to reanimate it. Do you even understand what Yuzhmash is and what it built at least in 2013?

    Step for Vega. And continues to build.

    Quote: Mih1974
    OK let's “beat” you on your own principles - name at least ONE sample of high-tech weapons that Ukraine developed independently and began to produce and sell in the world?

    Give you an example of a high-tech “product” or high-tech “weapon”. If weapons - I find it difficult to answer, if "products" - then this is a stage for the European Vega launch vehicle. . At least until 2022, they will still supply it. Perhaps by that time the issue with Cyclone-4M would somehow settle down (or maybe not, I’m not Nostradamus, I can’t make forecasts).
    So, the Vega launch vehicle stage is essentially the same missile. Yes, with certain parameters, but nonetheless
    Will this answer suit you?

    Quote: Vadim237
    Something I doubt that the Shell will be able to bring down the OTRK missile.

    Can not. The speeds are not the same

    Quote: Evgenijus
    OTRK rocket is quite thick, flies into the target with its tanks and engine. Do not shell radar notice?

    They will notice, they may even take for escort. But only the speed parameters of the Shell shell do not correspond to the OTRK speeds. The complex is not intended to intercept ballistic targets of the OTRK shooting range. It can intercept targets traveling at speeds of up to 1 km / s. If the OTRK’s speed is slower, it will intercept, although it’s difficult to say what damage the core of the missile complex will cause to the same missile with an inseparable warhead

    Quote: Gleb Molchanov
    "Thunder" is not about that: missile system tests in Ukraine ridiculed Web users
    On January 3, Ukrainian media joyfully distributed the video footage of the first field tests of the Thunder-2 operational-tactical missile system (OTRK).

    The Yuzhny Design Bureau, whose specialists are developing this complex, claims that the Thunder-2 will be able to hit single and group stationary targets at ranges from 50 to 280 km.

    It should be noted that in the bravura news on the results of the rocket engine test for Groma-2, a video from the YouTube channel of the National Industrial Portal was used (the first video).

    In this version, music is superimposed on the test video frames, and the duration of the clip is 1 minute 20 seconds.

    However, there is a more complete (1 minute 37 seconds), voiced version of the video, which also has the logo of KB "South" in the upper right corner (second video) ..

    And in general, as the people who worked there and now live there, say these shots are a fragment from the annual video report of the Yuzhny Design Bureau (or as they call it KafЭ South. "Of course, the video captures fragments of an engine test. And the second test actually ended in an explosion, but the media, as always, run ahead of the engine
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 5 January 2018 03: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Step for Vega. And continues to build.

      My dear, in 2013 they collected about a dozen “zeniths” a year. They concluded a contract with amers (which they successfully failed during the maydauns), served the Russian Strategic Missile Forces. There was the prospect of cooperation with Roskosmos. Everything, YuZHMASH is gone.
      Quote: Old26
      So, the Vega launch vehicle stage is essentially the same missile. Yes, with certain parameters, but nonetheless

      You probably don’t understand. what is a rocket)
  33. Slam
    Slam 4 January 2018 19: 40 New
    0
    Quotation: blooded man
    Quote: katana
    As far as I remember, in Ukraine the Korsar ATGMs are mass-produced.

    Serially? Manual assembly there, several dozen launchers per year in total, and this despite the fact that the complex itself has been in service for many, many years.

    You are absolutely right, but Russians are also Ukrainians brothers: forever alive: PAK FA, Black Eagle, Armata bent over, a lot of unfinished ships. It is good that Kuzyu was stolen from us on time - there is something to do with our hands and tongue.
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 5 January 2018 04: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Slam
      You are absolutely right, but Russians are also Ukrainians brothers: forever alive: PAK FA, Black Eagle, Armata bent over, a lot of unfinished ships.

      So you compared the most complex technical systems with anti-tank systems? How are you feeling? In Russia, there is a KORNET anti-tank missile system which has similar characteristics and was adopted at about the same time. So compare their seriality.
      Quote: Slam
      It is good that Kuzyu was stolen from us on time - there is something to do with our hands and tongue.

      Do you have Kuzyu? YOU ARE EXACTLY SMOKED)
  34. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 7 January 2018 11: 37 New
    +1
    They want to make an analog of Iskander
    but base 5 is pavement