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Put on the wing. As in the 2017, the Ukrainian military aviation

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In 2017, the military aviation rebuilding its fleet at a fairly rapid pace; the total flying time of pilots increased significantly


Put on the wing. As in the 2017, the Ukrainian military aviation


The aviation industry of Ukraine entered the peak of its shape after the start of zero - all available resources were thrown to carry out the first, medium or overhaul of not only airplanes, but also helicopters. At the same time, the main types of airplanes and helicopters — Su-27, MiG-29 type fighters, Su-25 type attack aircraft, training L-39, Mi-24 combat helicopters and Mi-8 troopers - partially passed through or a different degree of modernization. Moreover, an important element was the replacement of Russian-made spare parts for similar domestic or Western ones. As a result, compared with, for example, 2011, by the end of 2017, the increase in the fleet maintenance level was more than 300%!

For various reasons, it is impossible to name the total number of aircraft and helicopters put on the wing this year. Attempts to analyze information from open sources on individual enterprises of the aviation industry.

Kiev GP "Plant 410 GA" continued the "race" for the repair of the An-24 / 26 fleet, begun as early as 2015. This year, the company overhauled at least two vehicles: the training navigator An-26Ш and the transport An-26 ("Ryatunchik") from the 15-th transport aviation brigade.



The leading enterprise for the repair and modernization of Mi-8 type helicopters (which form the basis of our army aviation) is gradually becoming the State Enterprise "Konotop Aviation Repair Plant Aviakon", which is part of the Ukroboronprom group of companies.

During 2017, its specialists modernized and transferred for the Army Aviation, the NSU and the SSNS 9 Mi-8МТ. Moreover, in the course of overhaul on helicopters, they change parts made in Russia and carry out a whole range of improvements in order to improve performance, bringing them to the level of modern operational requirements. Here and install a new weather radar, a new satellite navigation system and a Western-style communication system.

By the way, it is on Aviakon that the Mi-24 type helicopters are being upgraded, and in 2017, one Mi-24PU-1 machine was transferred to the troops.

Another area of ​​work is the restoration of the fleet of naval aviation - for example, for 2017, the separate naval aviation brigade of the Ukrainian Navy, which is based in Nikolaev, was restored and transferred to 10 at once, three Mi-14 helicopters (we recall four cars of this type). It is also to be said that these works are new for engineers and factory workers, since prior to 2014, the Sevastopol Aviation Enterprise was engaged in the overhaul of machines of this type. The arrival of the updated helicopters greatly enhanced the combat capabilities of naval aviation.

In addition to the current and overhauls of helicopters, Motor-Sich Zaporizhzhya is also engaged in the extension of the resources of its own production of aircraft engines. Thus, in 2017, the Zaporozhians carried out these works on 16 An-26 (-30), 2 An-24, 1 L-39 and 3 Mi-8 AF VSU.

For aircraft, similar work is carried out by the Lutsky Motor, which in 2017 repaired engines for the 4 MiG-29 and 6 Su-27. By the end of the year, it became aware of contracts for the medium repair of reconnaissance Su-24МР and for the first time in all the years of independence - the Il-76MD transport aircraft.

As a result, according to the most modest estimates, at the end of 2017, the Ukrainian Air Force has approximately 45 MiG-29 (including combat training options), 35 Su-27, up to 25 Su-24 and Su-24МР and around 25 attack aircraft Su -25 / 25UB.



However, the basis of aviation is still not only technology, but also the flight-technical staff, which can effectively use this sophisticated technology.

And here everything is gradually aligned - if, prior to the annexation of the Crimea and the start of hostilities in the Donbas, due to the non-rhythmic supply of aviation kerosene, only a limited number of pilots from the immediate or rapid reaction forces had a more or less decent flight. The rest either did not fly at all, or had no more than ten hours of annual flight time. However, already in 2015, the intensity of flight work in aircraft factories increased significantly, and as a result, the average flying time of a Ukrainian pilot approached 2016 hours to 50 (which, of course, does not correspond to European and Russian practice, we have something to strive for). There are no general figures for 2017 yet, but judging by the number of exercises in which aviation is involved, the raid should increase substantially. Now even a company-level drill - a battalion cannot do without the support of fighters, attack aircraft, or in extreme cases helicopters. This develops both interspecific interaction and infantry confidence that it is securely covered from the air. After all, aviation is not only fire, but also psychological support.

Moreover, the largest air raid (for some pilots is more than 250 hours per year) today for transport aviation crews, and today they perform various tasks in the area of ​​the ATO. In 2014-2015, carrying personnel, military equipment and weapons, they were actually around the clock in the air. An-26 and IL-76 transport aircraft today fly at extremely low altitudes, as do combat aircraft, work out and carry out landings on unpaved strips and sections of motorways.

Combat aviation units practically do not “climb out” from landfills, practicing flying at extremely low altitudes, destroying ground targets with unguided missiles in simple and complex maneuvers, using bombs, and more.

Thus, summing up some results, we can say that the reform of the aviation component of the Armed Forces is currently on the rise and the command continues to rely on aviation as one of the most important components of the deterrent force.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 4 January 2018 06: 21 New
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    The site was confused by Tovarisch .. The total number of aircraft and helicopters put on the wing this year cannot be called for various reasons. "And this is said by an expert ...
    1. dSK
      dSK 4 January 2018 06: 25 New
      +5
      UN peacekeepers should be located throughout the Donbass. This was announced by German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel on Wednesday at a briefing in Kiev.

      According to him, Germany and France intend to work with the goal of introducing a "real peacekeeping mission" in the region. A mandatory condition for the entry of peacekeepers into the Donbass, the German minister stressed, should be "the restoration of the territorial integrity of Ukraine."

      "This should be an armed, strong UN peacekeeping mission, which will be located throughout the occupied territory, and not only protect the OSCE representatives on the clash line. Otherwise, it will be a new border," the minister said.

      Germany, together with France and other partners in the UN Security Council, intends to work to "introduce a real peacekeeping mission into the region," the minister emphasized.
      1. dSK
        dSK 4 January 2018 06: 45 New
        +7
        The states are building their air force bases in Sumy and the Navy in Nikolaev in Ukraine, training its army, preparing the "occupation".
        1. Uxus
          Uxus 4 January 2018 11: 08 New
          +5
          Proofs are weak?)
        2. Odysseus
          Odysseus 4 January 2018 12: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: dsk
          The states are building their air force bases in Sumy and the Navy in Nikolaev in Ukraine, training its army, preparing the "occupation".

          The West has controlled this territory since 2014. Local natives are used either as cheap slave force (women as whores, nurses, housekeepers, men as handymen, and both as organ donors) or as cannon fodder.
          Where is the big occupation? And why should the Americans themselves get in there? To prepare the natives for the role of cannon fodder, of course, they are preparing and throwing money with weapons to a minimum, but nothing more.
          It makes no sense to establish their official military bases and they will not do this because they will present them as a directly belligerent country.
          Now, if they manage to recapture Crimea with the Donbass from Russia, then yes, they will set up bases.
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 4 January 2018 06: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: dsk
        "This should be an armed, strong UN peacekeeping mission, which will be located throughout the occupied territory, and not only protect the OSCE representatives on the clash line. Otherwise, it will be a new border," the minister said.

        Well, in general, like the years of the Second World War, strong occupying forces: “The Legion of French Volunteers Against Bolshevism” and the German Gendarmerie and the Gestapo. So I have a question for the German Foreign Minister: "Do not choke, gentlemen are bad?"
    2. Buffet
      Buffet 4 January 2018 16: 56 New
      +4
      Why did you mix it up? Firstly, you need to know what is going on with them, and secondly, it can be stuffing ... the most common.
  2. Spez
    Spez 4 January 2018 07: 46 New
    +9
    the average flying time of the Ukrainian pilot approached 50 hours

    the largest raid (for some pilots - more than 250 hours per year) today among transport aviation crews
    .
    they were actually in the air around the clock.

    If I drove a car for the same number of hours a year, I would definitely have forgotten how to ride.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 4 January 2018 09: 18 New
      16
      Compare a car and an airplane (all the more combat?) Well, well ... Put on the second hat - you can’t throw one enemy ...
      1. Spez
        Spez 4 January 2018 09: 22 New
        11
        I specifically needed for you to write a couple of paragraphs about the fact that a modern aircraft is hundreds of times more difficult to operate than a car, and the indicated average flight time hardly reaches the level of a graduate of an aviation school with modern simulators at its disposal?
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 4 January 2018 09: 42 New
          17
          in 2006, the average air raid of the Russian Air Force pilots was ... 40 hours, later they reached the 75-80 level and these indicators are constantly increasing ... This is from the statement of the commander in chief. I’m sure you are driving more on a car. Make an appointment with him and convey a sound idea. And at the same time, take an interest in why a military pilot was supposed to drum in a school for five years - they taught you how to control the “Lada” in two months! And then go to the commander-in-chief of the Navy and ask why the captain of the cruiser does not get up to the helm right after school, but moves to this post almost all his life! Well, if these comparisons do not seem correct to you, then take your son or grandson (someone who has already mastered the bike) and give him the wheel of a personal car. And what? He has more hit over the holidays than you have in a year!
          Forgive me for such sharp comparisons, but just before that you wrote nonsense ...
          1. Spez
            Spez 4 January 2018 10: 07 New
            +9
            Before that, I just wrote that because of such a small raid (and this is the average in the hospital, there are almost no flying at all), it’s not only that you can learn something, but you can also unlearn it. Mastery comes with practice. Skills are practiced not only on simulators. I have seen raid statistics from the mid-90s. And the fact that you gave the example of 2006, just shows the level of training and the real state of aviation in Russia at that time, and now to Ukraine now. Last year, in the videoconferencing system, the average indicator was 60-80 per month, i.e. higher than ten years ago, about 10-12 times.
            By the way, my son rides a motorcycle better than me, because I got more practice in three years than I did in thirty.
          2. marlin1203
            marlin1203 4 January 2018 13: 39 New
            +6
            Stupidity is a "cruiser captain" laughing
  3. Fitter65
    Fitter65 4 January 2018 07: 54 New
    +9
    And an important element was the replacement of Russian-made spare parts with similar domestic or western

    And is it like, at least for the example of the Su-27? Have the Chinese GPS navigator attached to the pilot’s knee with Ukrainian tape? They are not capable of more. About 48-50 hours of flying, the comrade wrote earlier that he said that for those tasks it’s worth this is quite enough for the Ukrainian forces, since the resource is also saved (after all, Su and MiGs are not eternal, and they simply have no pennies for new ones) and fuel is not wasted in vain ...
    Today, An-26 and Il-76 transport planes fly at extremely low altitudes, like combat aircraft, they practice and land on unpaved strips and sections of highways

    Here I would like to see in more detail where and in what year the Ukrainian Air Force land on the ground, and especially combat aircraft? Oh yes, yes, it was in 2014-15 they landed on the ground in the Donbass, or rather planted them on the ground, yes so now they don’t even fly to the left bank of the Dnieper.
    1. Antares
      Antares 4 January 2018 12: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: Fitter65
      Ukrainian Air Force Landing

      on the ground only emergency (for example, su 25 s. Mirnoe)
      And so freelance airfields and sections of the route were worked out (Odessa Kiev for example)
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 4 January 2018 15: 28 New
        +8
        Quote: Antares
        on the ground only emergency (for example, su 25 s. Mirnoe)
        And so freelance airfields and sections of the route were worked out (Odessa Kiev for example)

        And what types of planes landed at these freelance airfields and sections of the route? And photos of these landings? Can you imagine at least what class the pilot had to get on the limited-width lane, which is the autobahn (and this is not a route). Moreover, on this landing area there should be exposed boarding facilities there like RSP, heading-glide path lighthouses, BPRM, DPRM ... Even during my youth, when I served in the Special Forces, the Poles practiced landing the Mig-23 and Su-22m4 on the highway section (well, roads to Poland, even in those days, was no match for the current ruin) and so they sat on a SPECIALLY prepared road section, roughly speaking an alternate aerodrome. The same section of the road was near Miroslavets, I once deployed a control point on it (P - 485m and SKP -11). It seems like everything is possible, everything happens so to speak, but I’ll ask you, comrade, not to forget one thing, this event (maintaining the sections of the roads in a condition suitable for landing aircraft) requires no small expenses, even more than containing a reserve airport, and in the ruin 404 there is no money for it. Actually, you have already made almost all the aerodromes — you runways contain citizens, and you draw grouse on glass for us — they land on the ground, on the road, on a corn field, on any plot of land ... Just forget to add to where the guys from LDNR land them.
        And such a question for how many hours, by the order of your sovereign, the life of your Su-27 gliders was extended, and do the Su-27s gliders themselves know that they still have so much to serve? And will they be able? Soon you will have to take aviation from TRUMPETER, they also have a larger scale and cheaper than the "Star" -company of the aggressor ...
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 4 January 2018 15: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Fitter65
          And what types of aircraft landed on these freelance airfields and sections of the route?

          Damn google the topic and do not ask children's questions.
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 4 January 2018 16: 00 New
            +8
            And how to google correctly? dreams of Ukraine’s Defense Ministry? Or the dreams of APU?
            1. KVIRTU
              KVIRTU 4 January 2018 21: 14 New
              +2
              In Ukraine, suitable sites have long been rolled out with overloaded wagons to a rut in the asphalt, here you are right. Because they work out without actually landing, rather training ground services that you wrote about.
              1. Uxus
                Uxus 5 January 2018 12: 29 New
                +1
                Below is a video of landing on the track. And the roads are being repaired very actively.
                1. Suhow
                  Suhow 8 January 2018 22: 09 New
                  0
                  Of course, they repair roads, but they also fall apart after repair quickly, I look in Kiev ...
                  1. Uxus
                    Uxus 9 January 2018 10: 09 New
                    0
                    Well, not without it. Not all at once.
        2. Dreamboat
          Dreamboat 4 January 2018 17: 04 New
          +1
          For the purpose of emergency or reserve use, in the USSR specially made sections of unloaded roads capable of "accepting" a combat aircraft.
          I met such people, especially in military towns: you’re driving, it’s like a country road, and the city’s extension is 1.5–2 km wide, instead of asphalt (or under asphalt), concrete slabs and poles with wires are allotted from the road ....
          Here's how Belarusians work out such a landing: https://youtu.be/FfbP7qJPiiE
        3. Antares
          Antares 4 January 2018 23: 33 New
          +3
          And what types of aircraft landed on these freelance airfields and sections of the route?

          On the Odessa site -Mig 29 August 10; According to the Ministry of Defense, similar training was held on the same day as part of the Sky Shield 2016 exercises, the crews of MiG-29 fighters and Su-24 attack aircraft on the sections of the Kiev-Chop highway.
          You can imagine at least what class the pilot should have in order to take a lane with a limited width, which is the autobahn (and this is not a highway). Moreover, on this section of the autobahn, boarding facilities like RSP, heading-alleyway lighthouses, BPRM, DPRM ..

          imagine. Watch the video. In Russian

          it requires no small expenses, even more than maintaining an alternate aerodrome, and in the ruin of 404 there is no money

          yes something about 30 billion UAH (and the amount is constantly increasing)
          no money, but we hold on, a good mood also happens. Everything is according to Medvedev.
          almost all airfields made joint-based

          saving.
          and here you draw grouse on glass, they sit on the ground, on the road, on a corn field, on any part of the terrain

          not us, but MO. Apparently a video editor and photoshop ...

          1. Uxus
            Uxus 5 January 2018 12: 32 New
            +2
            Did not see your koment, also gave a video.
        4. Korax71
          Korax71 5 January 2018 21: 10 New
          +1
          And they give you the latest reports directly from the Ukrainian government ????? what’s up there, you can climb into your pockets to reliably say what they have money for and what not.
  4. bober1982
    bober1982 4 January 2018 08: 05 New
    +4
    Ukraine squandered and plundered all Soviet aviation, now - miserable attempts to restore. The article was written by a man who is poorly versed in aviation.
    1. helmi8
      helmi8 8 January 2018 16: 04 New
      0
      Quote: bober1982
      The article was written by a man who is poorly versed in aviation.

      Mikhail Zhirokhov is a history teacher who does not understand aviation at all. But now all of a sudden he is a “military expert” ... He had a sad experience communicating with him - the impressions are not the best, to say the least. And what he writes in this article is not his personal opinion of an “expert,” but a typical ordering.
  5. Odysseus
    Odysseus 4 January 2018 08: 17 New
    11
    It is clear that the article is maidan propaganda, however, in the framework of the general militarization of Ukraine, they really have some successes in repairing old Soviet aircraft. There were more flight-suitable boards than in 2014 (but less than stated in the article).
    However, they do not pose a direct threat to the Donbass (taking into account the air defense available there), with an attack of 50 hours and using the Su-25 and Su-24 to bomb NARs from low altitudes, their losses will be very large. Another thing is if they are confident that Russia don’t intervene, then yes, they can use aviation, do not give a damn about possible losses.
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 4 January 2018 08: 35 New
    16
    Is this an advertisement for a Ukrainian military? fool For the phrase "annexation of Crimea" to the afftor, the face profile must be loosened up, it’s painful and painful to turn on your little mind! Why did this scribble appear on the site? Resource administration, delete it !!!!
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 4 January 2018 08: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Why did this scribble appear on the site?

      Not for the first time, by the way, they are getting impudent.
      1. Smog
        Smog 4 January 2018 09: 10 New
        10
        Well so from the Ukrainian site reprint. Maybe soon we will see from the censor.
    2. alavrin
      alavrin 6 January 2018 22: 24 New
      +3
      It is not necessary to delete, what is going on there must be known so that it is not a surprise then, but the work of the editor should in principle be.
  7. cannabis
    cannabis 4 January 2018 08: 49 New
    12
    Maaaalenky such a stroke to the personality of the author of the article "the annexation of the Crimea."
  8. Vard
    Vard 4 January 2018 08: 55 New
    +2
    And their technique is not very ... and the propagandists aren't any ... is it really so scary ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 4 January 2018 09: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Vard
      And their technique is not very ... and the propagandists aren't any ... is it really so scary ...

      I'm tired of frightening cyborgs, they got down to aviation, they’re fucking twin.
  9. midshipman
    midshipman 4 January 2018 09: 09 New
    +7
    I think that the task of our Government is to prevent the revival of military aviation in Ukraine. The given number of combat aircraft is less plausible. Only in Crimea, we had 26 airfields in the USSR, I will not give their number in Ukraine, but their number is large. I don’t know their condition today. Ukraine does not work with the Russian Federation to maintain radio navigation systems, instrumental landing, ATC, and State recognition at aerodromes. Of our enterprises (MCI of the USSR), there was nothing left, and systems and on-board equipment must be supported (regular scheduled maintenance). Specialists in Ukraine remained, but no spare parts. Let's wait for the official posts. But the article is disturbing. In the People's Republics urgently need to create airfields with military aircraft. I still wonder how Ukrainians support the operation of equipment at the Borispol airport. They fly regularly, apparently the USA helps. I have the honor.
    1. Antares
      Antares 4 January 2018 12: 21 New
      +8
      Quote: midshipman
      I will not give their numbers in Ukraine, but their number is large. I don’t know their condition today.

      in general, it worked on the strength of 25% .. now restored to 50%. I do not think that it is necessary for Ukrainian aviation. You never know what winds are.
    2. max702
      max702 4 January 2018 12: 51 New
      0
      There was an article on the site about how this direction is gradually expanding, but thoroughly our military group .. There it seems to be looming up to half a million troops and plus LDNR divisions .. And if this is clearly redundant to restore order in LDNR, then for the whole Ukraine then .. So everything is moving towards a logical ending. The troops in Syria have run in, especially the airborne forces (as the main striking force) and staff workers (which is equally important), the MTR showed themselves perfectly, worked out the actions of the military police (counter guerrilla warfare), exercises are being conducted around the country with massive and quickest deployment of troops .. All this indicates that soon the issue will be decided, apparently after March 2018 ..
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 4 January 2018 15: 11 New
          +1
          Well, if you compare that these goats are trained and armed with the same states as the non-independent ones .. then yes. Syria is a good example .. like Georgia .. they also trained and armed whoever thought the same people ... the result is known and he’s sad .. maybe you’ll think about other instructors who are not so compromised? otherwise there is no special difference between goat security and swine protection ..
          1. Uxus
            Uxus 4 January 2018 16: 50 New
            +3
            Hmm, they deleted the koment, it seems like nothing of the kind ... The goats are safe, they are the goats. Iron them with 10km, as at the training ground in the complete absence of impregnated air defense - is this a run-in ?? Well, OK. Georgia, as an example, is not suitable at all, but there, by the way, with the presence of such-and-such air defense, a couple of sides got out. And I repeat once again - no one will decide anything, neither in March, nor even later. Everything, time is up. Here's a video about instructors by the way:
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 4 January 2018 19: 47 New
              +3
              the video is cool of course. only in life it’s not like a movie. and what kind of air defense and the goat security has. It is necessary without a loss. And answer the question of when do attack aircraft and helicopters work with 10? But they work against the goat security too? ..a decide ... they will. when and how I don’t know, but I have to. this abscess by itself will not work
          2. Korax71
            Korax71 5 January 2018 21: 16 New
            +3
            As for Georgia, just add that you trained only 2 thousand people. Well and do not forget about 6 downed planes in the absence of enemy air defense. As far as you can throw all the caps.
      2. Antares
        Antares 4 January 2018 23: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: max702
        There, it seems, up to half a million military men and plus units of the LNR are looming ..

        half a million is half the entire army. If you remove half the army and send it to one Ukraine, there will be holes everywhere, and half a million will not come out of Ukraine. Who will replace it? As if peace and tranquility in all areas ...
        2014 was uninteresting and easy, but now half a million is the most, we’ll remember more units .. interestingly.
  10. Nemesis
    Nemesis 4 January 2018 10: 01 New
    +7
    Handicraft repairs, without branded licensed spare parts ... The FSB of the Russian Federation should closely monitor that branded spare parts for aircraft and air defense systems in Ukraine from the Russian Federation do not fall ...
  11. Uxus
    Uxus 4 January 2018 11: 12 New
    +5
    Good article. Only by the reaction of ixperds can we evaluate it that way, not to mention the facts))
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 4 January 2018 11: 25 New
      +5
      Flight technical staff ........... attraction of fighters during company exercises...... and many many others.
      This, dear comrade, is about facts and iksperds. The article itself is ugly, with a website beguiled, apparently a drunken Christmas hangover is affecting.
      1. Uxus
        Uxus 4 January 2018 11: 28 New
        +3
        What bothers you? Higher command finished, rumor cuts? What's wrong, share it? ...
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 4 January 2018 14: 03 New
          10
          Quote: Uxus
          What bothers you?

          Flight crew, flight crew, engineering staff ......
          During company exercises, aviation is not involved,
          Of course, there are a lot of airplanes of the Ukrobanderaites (at the storage bases), they patched up something, but they can be useful only in the battle for Galicia (with the Poles), or in the battle for Bukovina and Transcarpathia (with Romanians and Hungarians)
          Quote: Uxus
          Higher command graduated

          Finished.
          1. Uxus
            Uxus 4 January 2018 14: 42 New
            +2
            No, well, no question)) Army 404 all this ...)) Nothing rides, nothing flies. In short, three days before Kiev!
            Wellcome)) Your knowledge will come in handy. Except (s)
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 4 January 2018 16: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Uxus
              army 404 all this ...)

              Ukro-mongrel all this, which is dragged by the western comrades.
              1. Uxus
                Uxus 5 January 2018 12: 07 New
                +3
                Of course mongrels and swineherds, as one citizen put it. All swelled and prosrali. Well I say - Wellcome. Will you volunteer? Well, you all know, there’s nothing to be afraid of)
                When iz Guards, others ot Yard
                Here for a while,
                Women shouted: Hooray!
                And they threw caps into the air ...
                1. Grumant
                  Grumant 5 January 2018 22: 47 New
                  +7
                  1. I will go (age is no longer for mobilization, therefore only a volunteer)! You declare war.
                  2. The enemy cannot be afraid, you just need to evaluate him correctly. I hope we have competent analysts at the GRU.
                  3. Now, according to the article (as a former technician of an aircraft on the Su-27):
                  I have no doubt that Ukraine has not yet all decommunized (Adequate Soviet specialists still remained in some places), BUT !!! A combat vehicle is never a home appliance. For each unit there is a form in which the terms and types of routine maintenance are clearly indicated (with all products to be replaced). It is theoretically possible to make the necessary units, but economically more than impractical (not at all the Tu-4, the equipment has become much more complicated). Conclusion: everything that was not produced in Ukraine will be exploited (with tearing the navels) until the resource is exhausted (the more plaque, the faster it will bend). It’s a little easier with helicopters, there was still cooperation there, and a loophole in the form of “dual-use technology”. Quite simply with BTA, you just have to be outstanding ... so that all polymers ...
                  and the ending (a little predictable) - "benefactors" vtyuhayut something (you can’t refuse !!!)
                2. Alexy
                  Alexy 8 January 2018 06: 51 New
                  +2
                  Why are you all calling us to war?
                  Why all this pathos?
          2. Korax71
            Korax71 5 January 2018 21: 32 New
            +1
            Maybe, of course, he finished, but they didn’t instill in only cultures. For Ukro Bandera people. I just look and marvel quietly. Like people are competent, but you can’t discuss or say anything calmly and humanly. Why are there such epithets
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 6 January 2018 10: 44 New
          +5
          The annexation of Crimea, that’s the thing. For the rest, I don't give a damn about your 404.
  12. zyzx
    zyzx 4 January 2018 12: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    In 2006, the average air raid of the Russian Air Force pilots was

    You will remember before the revolution. The Russian army before 2008 and after, two big differences.
  13. Altona
    Altona 4 January 2018 13: 37 New
    +9
    An article is kind of like a button accordion. Recently, something like that was printed. Regarding the rest, then all this is some kind of sur. It is urgent to intervene in the events in the Donbass, force Ukraine to peace and de-Nazify. Even if Germany proposes to occupy the Donbass under the guise of a "peacekeeping mission", then this is already the land. It is necessary to realize again that there is no peresic Ukraine and that most of its lands are Russian territories, which were there by misunderstanding. But if Putin (I repeat, I will accept anger on myself, he’s the commander in chief) still wants to play this shame, then he will still receive war and shame. In the "fraternal" territories there is an expansion of fascism, and not Ukrainian, but Russian in the form of "Azov".
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 4 January 2018 14: 04 New
      10
      Quote: Altona
      It is urgent to intervene in the events in the Donbass, force Ukraine to peace and de-Nazify. Even if Germany proposes to occupy the Donbass under the guise of a "peacekeeping mission", then this is the land

      Wait a minute ...
      Germany so far only offers.
      Before her, this, in my memory, has been repeatedly proposed.
      And now there, as we all can see ... well, whoever has eyes is understandable.
      So maybe ... don't run ahead of the engine?

      Eugene, you, like, are a smart person ... but what you are proposing now is in the hands of exactly the state whose flag hangs above your comment.
      Is this a coincidence? wink
      1. Uxus
        Uxus 4 January 2018 14: 47 New
        +6
        Eugene, torment dust swallow. Now is not a little 2014. Interventor, damn it)) Learn the materiel to begin with:
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 5 January 2018 21: 53 New
      +1
      I totally agree.
  14. iouris
    iouris 4 January 2018 14: 46 New
    +4
    Has the site moved to Kiev?
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 8 January 2018 00: 11 New
      0
      No, just the residents of the "on / on" found out about the site topwar.ru
      1. Suhow
        Suhow 8 January 2018 22: 42 New
        +2
        Well, I know a long time ago and periodically attend this site. I suppose it is interesting, but it’s also periodically annoying for the rubbish that is being brought here, and not only towards Ukraine or the States, for example .... but also the Russian Federation. When invading Ukraine, the Russian troops will not just be crucified, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine partially re-equipped and prepared. Well and many brains washed thoroughly. For example, I will try not to intersect with the old Soviet views and swami max, except in the bar, but there are not enough left.
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 9 January 2018 00: 04 New
          0
          It's not you or other old site visitors. And in the crazy pouring of mud on the part of people who registered "right now."
        2. Uxus
          Uxus 9 January 2018 10: 18 New
          0
          Why did you immediately brainwash? The fact that you do not like other people's views or are not satisfied with the opinion is a flushing right away?
          "When invading Ukraine, the troops of the Russian Federation will not just crucify themselves here, but the APU will be partially re-equipped and prepared." - plus.
  15. Altona
    Altona 4 January 2018 15: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Eugene, you, like, are a smart person ... but what you are proposing now is in the hands of exactly the state whose flag hangs above your comment.
    Is this a coincidence?

    -----------------------------
    This is a VPN.
  16. Altona
    Altona 4 January 2018 15: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Uxus
    Eugene, torment dust swallow. Now is not a little 2014. Interventor, damn it)) Learn the materiel to begin with:

    -----------------------------------
    About "swallow dust," I wrote "get shame and war."
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 5 January 2018 12: 08 New
      +2
      And I'm talking about interference and coercion.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 6 January 2018 14: 06 New
        +9
        That’s strange, gentlemen, an independent man. Pour mud on Russia and its inhabitants. However, you do not live on European sites, but on Russian ones. Say why? Because you were just like scrap for them, you stayed. At heart, not very deeply, you yourself understand this. However, still stand in a pose in front of us proud and not admirable, before the west in a doggystyle pose. Maybe stop lying to yourself? Say thanks to GDP. It would be different, after the deaths in the Rostov region, they would receive such an answer, after which diapers in the outhouses would be changed. As one of your residents rightly said by telephone to Gannapolsky, if Russia attacked, you would be obscene.
        1. Uxus
          Uxus 9 January 2018 10: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Okolotochny
          That’s strange, gentlemen, an independent man.

          I already wrote, I repeat - "independent", do not use such a turn in Ukraine.
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Pour mud on Russia and its inhabitants.

          Quote please? You will not find it - consider I sent you far and rude.
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Because you were just like scrap for them, you stayed. At heart, not very deeply, you yourself understand this.

          Can you read thoughts?)))
          Quote: Okolotochny
          However, still stand in a pose in front of us proud and not admirable, before the west in a doggystyle pose.

          For the umpteenth time I've been witnessing a slide into a sexual theme. In reality, not everything is safe with these questions there ...
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Maybe stop lying to yourself?

          Doctor, heal yourself! This applies to YOU ​​in the first place.
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Say thanks to GDP. Would be different, after the deaths in the Rostov region

          What are you talking about? What kind of death? Proof, let's.
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 10 January 2018 12: 22 New
            +4
            Well, the specifics are ZERO, verbiage is one, of course, there is nothing to answer, as always. And for the proof - in the border village of the Rostov region after shelling the APU in 2015. 2nd died. Wasn't that too? fool
  17. Altona
    Altona 4 January 2018 15: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: iouris
    Has the site moved to Kiev?

    -----------------------------
    An alternative point of view has been voiced, a view from the “other side”, so to speak.
    1. iouris
      iouris 5 January 2018 04: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      An alternative point of view has been voiced, a view from the “other side”, so to speak.

      And why do we need to legalize the “point of view” of a party that has been acting as a conductor of US interests for many years, declares that it is waging war against the Russian world, unscrupulously lying and committing bloody acts? I already know that they are getting stronger in order to put me on a dime.
  18. Dreamboat
    Dreamboat 4 January 2018 16: 46 New
    15
    Wow comrade amused me, directly to the "rzhunemagu"!
    It is clear that I really want to write something encouraging, and mathematics apparently remains a relic of "damned socialism", but still ...
    First, the author gives + - the real numbers in which it’s not very convenient to lie: 2 AN-26, 9 MI-8, 1 MI-24 and 3 MI-14. Ok, we believe, especially since the author talks about replacing communications, installing GPS, and other “easy tuning”. We extended the resource (and this is not even a repair :-)) in 10 aircraft engines (remember that MIG and SU are twin-engine!). and then it started ... Somewhere in the ranks of 130 combat aircraft? why not 1300, because in 91 they left 1600 altogether ....
    The staff is the same garbage: pride takes with a 500% increase in pilots flight time, from 10 to 50 hours a year! “Kill me with a dance”, but it’s 4 hours a month or 1 hour a week ... For pilots who haven’t been flying for 10 years. But what can one learn there anew at such a time, and if taxiing, takeoff, landing is included in the “raid”, then in the air an airplane can work out at least something for about 15 minutes without leaving the airfield zone.
    But the author is full of optimism: "The military aviation units practically do not" get out "from the ranges"! what do they do there, drink in the arms of the infantry, with a raid of 1 hour in allotment ?!
    In general, Petrosyan is resting!
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 6 January 2018 14: 10 New
      +5
      That is the same question. For helicopters and Ana it is clear that there are technologies and enterprises. But MiG and Su what side and how they could upgrade? For them, the article contains only general phrases.
    2. shura7782
      shura7782 8 January 2018 17: 01 New
      0
      moreover, if taxiing is included in the “raid”, Please explain this phrase. You want to say that the launch of blood pressure, gazovka, taxiing for take-off and taxiing after landing - this time is added to the pilot's total raid?
  19. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 4 January 2018 16: 53 New
    +7
    This picture vividly reminds me of the beginning of the 2000s with us. I remember how one of the then p / p told how kerosene was being hoarded in a regiment so that at least military pilots of the 1st class had at least some sort of raid and as lieutenants after school they didn’t take off for months and often received terrible flight numbers on a school raid . Do not kick, I sell how much I bought
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 5 January 2018 12: 10 New
      +2
      As if so it is. Did not fly for years before.
  20. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 4 January 2018 18: 40 New
    +2
    And sho they want to Schaub their pilots learned in a couple of years what they teach in 10-15 yeah. Am I silent about the kerosene and engine life of the engines but the crews? What are they to motivate for the ATO? And that now is not like in the first months when downed pilots even they didn’t beat the face: now they have shot down a faithful corpse, even hoped enough were exchanged after Savchenko. So where Ukrainians will find such a crowd of pilots on their restored tapes it’s ridiculous to say the release of the 80-90s of the last century
    1. Antares
      Antares 5 January 2018 00: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      So where the Ukrainians will find such a crowd of pilots on their restored cabinets it’s ridiculous to say the release of the 80-90s already last century

      here

      in the same 2016 HUVS released more than 80 young military pilots
      In December 2017, another 60 (as well as 160 additional retraining from stock)

      HUVS prepares specialists for the APU in 15 areas in 24 specialties. Graduates underwent practical training in combat units of the Air Force, learned to pilot combat aircraft SU-25, MiG-29, as well as the Mi-24 helicopter.
      The graduate cadets of the final year of Kharkov University of Air Force named after Kozhedub (HUVS) are 90-170 hours, which is much more than the average raid of graduates of this university in previous years. This was announced by the head of the university Andrei Alimpiev.
      According to him, the average flying time of future fighter pilots is already almost 170 hours, transport aviation pilots - 90, navigators - 130 and helicopter pilots - more than 30 hours. Compared to previous years, these figures increased by 30-50%.
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 6 January 2018 03: 21 New
        +2
        Antares the average flying time of future fighter pilots is already almost 170 hours

        This is a lie. In advanced NATO countries, fighter pilots have a raid of 200-220 hours ...
        Where did the aircraft have such a motor resource from, are they all new there .....
      2. Fitter65
        Fitter65 6 January 2018 03: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Antares
        Graduates underwent practical training in combat units of the Air Force, learned to pilot combat aircraft SU-25, MiG-29, as well as the Mi-24 helicopter.

        Learning to pilot, not quite learning how to use it for its intended purpose. Even such museum exhibits are located in the country 404. By the way, why didn’t you mention the L-39, because this aircraft is just designed to “learn to pilot the aircraft”, saving combat life and fuel airplanes.
        Quote: Antares
        in the same 2016 HUVS released more than 80 young military pilots
        In December 2017, another 60 (as well as 160 additional retraining from stock)

        Where do you find so many planes for? Even if you take turns flying, then there’s definitely not enough resource and kerosene, because you have to fly three shifts every day to maintain at least the initial skills of the young, and the remaining skills of those returned to service .. . And again I will ask the question, and on the basis of what extend the resource to these unfortunate aircraft?
      3. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 6 January 2018 14: 22 New
        +3
        The banner in the photo is not uncommunized.
    2. Uxus
      Uxus 5 January 2018 17: 03 New
      +1
      Savchenko was exchanged for two of your losses from the GRU, if you forgot. And any prisoner for any side of the living is much more valuable, so only a complete ram will kill him. Although they are abundant there, yes ...
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 6 January 2018 03: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Uxus
        Savchenko was exchanged for two of your losses from the GRU, if you forgot.

        Moreover, the two GRU generals didn’t change your Nadia for anyone. You exchanged the heroine Nadia for the Kremlin agent Savchenko.
        No wonder the president of Somalia says, do not call us second Ukraine.
        1. Uxus
          Uxus 9 January 2018 13: 09 New
          0
          Video from phone:
  21. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 4 January 2018 20: 46 New
    +3
    And this is generally a masterpiece -
    [/ quote] After all, aviation is not only fire, but also psychological support. [quote]
    And why is this support in the ATO zone not provided since 2014?
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 6 January 2018 03: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Aviator_
      And why is this support in the ATO zone not provided since 2014?

      Why didn’t you see a “zombie box” or something that didn’t look, there were big losses from the MZA / MANPADS ...
      As active hostilities begin again in the anti-terrorist operation zone, they will start flying again, I think they will use cluster munitions ... the first day I’m married, or something ...
  22. Clone
    Clone 4 January 2018 23: 23 New
    +1
    I, as a terry groundman, do not understand the color of the "back" of a fighter from the Air Force of the most "flat European army" ... Preferably blue from above and, presumably, yellow from below? However... request With this color scheme, it remains to use the device only in the "belly up" version? And even then, in a desert area. Not?
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 5 January 2018 12: 26 New
      +1
      Nate to you coloring:
      And more:
      And here about the flight hours and quantity (of course they lie):
      1. iouris
        iouris 6 January 2018 01: 25 New
        +1
        It is clear that aviation is used to heat chauvinistic fumes. Therefore, I insist that the publication of these materials here is an ideological diversion. Flying, to the extent from the ground, is not aerobatics, but supreme idiocy, but sometimes it “rolls”.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 6 January 2018 03: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: iouris
          Flying, to the extent from the ground, is not aerobatics, but supreme idiocy, but sometimes it “rolls”.

          Flying at extremely low altitude, one of the ways to break through air defense. And the ability to covertly approach the object. Well, for every old woman they will find a porn.
  23. xomaNN
    xomaNN 4 January 2018 23: 39 New
    +1
    Do you plan to fight with the DPR? Or are they already counting the Russian Aerospace Forces ?? am
  24. lis-ik
    lis-ik 5 January 2018 00: 01 New
    0
    Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
    Why did you mix it up? Firstly, you need to know what is going on with them, and secondly, it can be stuffing ... the most common.

    This is just sarcasm, and very bitter.
  25. Uxus
    Uxus 5 January 2018 12: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: long in stock.
    the video is cool of course. only in life it’s not like a movie. and what kind of air defense and the goat security has. It is necessary without a loss. And answer the question of when do attack aircraft and helicopters work with 10? But they work against the goat security too? ..a decide ... they will. when and how I don’t know, but I have to. this abscess by itself will not work

    Carcasses from what height worked? Attack aircraft and helicopters? "But they work against the goat security" (c) So you yourself answered the question)) So practically they don’t have any portable air defense systems. Remember Afghanistan. To the same goat security with the "stingers" how many troubles have done?
    And about the abscess, yes ... Itself will not work. Question whom to consider abscess?
  26. Uxus
    Uxus 5 January 2018 12: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: WapentakeLokki
    What is their motivation for the ATO?
    But do not motivate. For three years now, motivation has been above the roof. The prospect of seeing Givi or the liberators of Girkin in your city of Motorola is the best motivation for you.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 5 January 2018 16: 11 New
      0
      Comrade Uxus, I’m embarrassed to ask, but decided - what do you have to do with Aviation?
      combat units plow open spaces of landfills ..........from article
      Why not in the Donbass? yourself, excuse me, have anything to do with the army?
      1. Uxus
        Uxus 5 January 2018 16: 23 New
        +3
        Too many questions)
        To aviation, no, like the vast majority of those present. Just a reason to believe the numbers a little more than others.
        Catch controversial and sometimes funny expressions from those articles that you don't like? So I’m already tired of laughing in places from pearls, of which there are plenty) The question is not how the material is presented, but to a greater extent what is served.
        In the Donbass? The on-duty question of many, who, in their opinion, should somehow scratch me?) Doesn't scratch)) In the Donbass, we have APUs that have a contract that you have to meet to meet certain standards.
        I have.
        And yes, do not bother) Well this is all propaganda from the 404th, which does not reflect anything real)) As most people think.
        We can talk in PM if desired)
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 5 January 2018 16: 53 New
          +5
          If you have no relation to aviation - then what to talk about?
          As for the pearls - they are abundant in the article, the article itself was written by an amateur (propagandist), it did not arouse interest.
          Itself flew to the Yak-28 and Su-24 (m), Odessa and Carpathian districts (at one time of course), so I painfully perceive what is happening with you.
          What you have now: NOTHING
          MiG-29 and Su-27- can be immediately discarded, it’s clean, fight with the MiG-21 (Romanian), or with the Polish F16.
          Strike aircraft- Su-24, the miserable remnants of three strike divisions, one (!!!!!) AE, awkward and angular planes, they will beat immediately, Su-25- I won’t even speak, they will hit right away ..
          What remains - An-26ш, some helicopters, and a repaired IL-76.
          The result is zero on a stick.
    2. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 7 January 2018 01: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Uxus
      The prospect of seeing Givi or the liberators of Girkin in your city of Motorola is the best motivation

      Your fear of being responsible for your genocide of Russians in the Donbass in particular and throughout the whole of the Outskirts is generally understood.
      That's just in vain you judge others by yourself. Militias, unlike you, will not take revenge on the population. Only war criminals will be punished. After all, those nonhumans who mocked veterans on May 9, who alive burned women and adolescents in Odessa, who shelled schools and hospitals, no one forgot them.
      1. Alexy
        Alexy 8 January 2018 07: 15 New
        +1
        What are you trying to prove to him?
        A typical representative of the Nazi state.
        They are all preparing for war with the aggressor - well, the flag is in their hands.
      2. Uxus
        Uxus 9 January 2018 12: 58 New
        0
        tell me about fake
        1. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 9 January 2018 21: 45 New
          0
          And what to tell about him - he is a fake fake. And roughly slapy. Castrolegolids believe, smart ones do not.
          1. Uxus
            Uxus 11 January 2018 12: 18 New
            0
            So rip off the covers, tell me where the lies in this video, come on! After all, roughly sloppy, what is the problem? Are you smart?
            1. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 12 January 2018 20: 44 New
              0
              In this video, the lie is that the militiamen who did not defend their land were shot there, but the terrorists who attacked them. And the meaning of this video is in an attempt to justify the genocide of Russians in the Donbass by terrorists who shot this fake.
  27. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 5 January 2018 12: 48 New
    0
    Spare parts either from decommissioned aircraft from NATO, Asia and Africa. And even ours are smuggled: like oil, coal and other "non-Russian" goods.
  28. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 5 January 2018 13: 21 New
    +3
    To modernize the trash that Ukraine has cannot be infinitely modernized, and even with the forces that remain.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 6 January 2018 02: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Sands Career General
      To modernize the trash that Ukraine has cannot be infinitely modernized, and even with the forces that remain.

      Where did they get what is impossible? Belarusians can, Poles and Bulgarians can, but Ukrainians can’t ....
      By the way, I bought 10 L-39 from the RB mine from Ukraine ..... in 2015, let me correct, if I mixed it up over the years ...
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 6 January 2018 11: 14 New
        +3
        Unless the "Western partners" help with money and technology, it is not so simple.
  29. A.Kaledin
    A.Kaledin 5 January 2018 14: 28 New
    +1
    Ukrainians with their mrii (not to be confused with the plane) already got :)
    And they’re being measured on Russian sites ... Is that a desire to resemble people?
  30. bober1982
    bober1982 5 January 2018 15: 55 New
    0
    This site should be put under the full control of the FSB - wiretapping, control of all contacts, although I think that they are under control. Muddy guys, (modestly said), insolent bastards, crossed the line.
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 5 January 2018 16: 24 New
      +4
      Damn, everything that is printed here is all from open sources, what kind of FSB ???))))))
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 6 January 2018 02: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Uxus
        Damn, everything that is printed here is all from open sources, what kind of FSB ???))))))

        Let's get your picture again with Poroshenko with about visa-free ...
        1. Uxus
          Uxus 9 January 2018 12: 29 New
          0
          What is it about her? )))
    2. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 6 January 2018 14: 53 New
      +1
      You are already in control
  31. Wolka
    Wolka 5 January 2018 16: 27 New
    +1
    rather, a great desire to wishful thinking ...
  32. Uxus
    Uxus 5 January 2018 17: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: bober1982

    What you have now: NOTHING
    The result is zero on a stick.

    Ok)) No question, I’m saying - propaganda is everything. Insolent and unprincipled)) I do not understand one thing - your feelings)
    1. iouris
      iouris 6 January 2018 01: 32 New
      +2
      You already do not need to understand our feelings. Your train has left.
    2. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 7 January 2018 01: 40 New
      0
      How not to worry about the "hundreds of cardboard Armats" that your brave APU burned, as your modest and principled non-propaganda broadcast)))
      1. Uxus
        Uxus 9 January 2018 12: 30 New
        0
        Lies. Sucked from a finger lies. They still did not enter the troops. And do not know when.
  33. Clone
    Clone 6 January 2018 01: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Uxus
    Nate to you coloring

    That to me your "coloring" to ... to one place. If only you liked it. repeat
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 9 January 2018 12: 33 New
      0
      Your hostility pinches logic. The color was not clear to you, I answered you normally, I think I’m suddenly banned from YouTube, you never know ... So no, you have to show your “bueee” here. Not hard to live like that, no? There’s something wrong with one place ((...
  34. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 6 January 2018 02: 55 New
    +1
    As a result, according to the most modest estimates, at the end of 2017, the Ukrainian Air Force has approximately 45 MiG-29 (including combat training options), 35 Su-27, up to 25 Su-24 and Su-24МР and around 25 attack aircraft Su -25 / 25UB.

    Serious power, it’s possible to cover the sky of Ukraine where it is necessary and work out LDNR communications, it’s a pity that nothing was written about the military personnel of the BTA APU ....
    Yes, and the airfields in Ukraine under the Union were good not a couple of the airfield network of the RSFSR where there were groups of the 2-3 echelon ...
  35. patriot-rf
    patriot-rf 6 January 2018 10: 53 New
    +5
    I read it and was indignant. How did the propaganda article of the country 404 appear on this resource? Why does the phrase “if before the annexation of Crimea” slip through? Is the administration sleeping with us? IMHO, pent
    1. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 6 January 2018 11: 26 New
      +1
      Because this site belongs to a citizen of a foreign state, like many Russian resources.
  36. shuravi
    shuravi 6 January 2018 22: 05 New
    +1
    Misha Zhirokh completely survived from the mind.
    How not to puff out your cheeks, and the fleet of Ukraine has long been over forty. How not to repair, but takes his time.
  37. igfrost1957
    igfrost1957 7 January 2018 13: 17 New
    0
    Fresh tradition, but hard to believe!
  38. BAI
    BAI 7 January 2018 15: 32 New
    +3
    Late article caught my eye, but:
    1.
    From 2011 to the end of 2017, the increase in the fleet's serviceability level amounted to more than 300%!

    And in absolute terms, how much? It is very reminiscent of the situation when VAZ increased sales in England by 500% - instead of ONE car in the previous year, FIVE was sold in the current one.
    2.
    if before the annexation of Crimea

    Transport aircraft An-26 and IL-76 today we fly

    Why quote anti-Russian sites? I’ve seen before that, according to some signs, the site’s administration is breathing unevenly towards Ukraine, hiding behind patriotism towards Russia, but so clearly ?!
  39. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 7 January 2018 17: 51 New
    +1
    A little off topic. Accidentally ran into an article-memoir. it became creepy after reading. I myself have never created an article, so I'm sorry.
    http://politolog.net/interview/gotovilis-k-tomu-c
    hto-okkupanty-poprut-cherez-granicu-ne-na-donbass
    e-komandir-batarei-samogo-strashnogo-oruzhiya-vz
    one-ato /? utm_referrer = https% 3A% 2F% 2Fzen.yandex.co
    m
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 9 January 2018 12: 41 New
      0
      And so it was. Almost everywhere.
  40. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 8 January 2018 03: 43 New
    0
    fresh tradition .... to repair 10 aircraft due to cannibalism is simple ... but where are the new aircraft?
  41. Alexy
    Alexy 8 January 2018 07: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Antares
    Quote: WapentakeLokki
    So where the Ukrainians will find such a crowd of pilots on their restored cabinets it’s ridiculous to say the release of the 80-90s already last century

    here

    in the same 2016 HUVS released more than 80 young military pilots
    In December 2017, another 60 (as well as 160 additional retraining from stock)

    HUVS prepares specialists for the APU in 15 areas in 24 specialties. Graduates underwent practical training in combat units of the Air Force, learned to pilot combat aircraft SU-25, MiG-29, as well as the Mi-24 helicopter.
    The graduate cadets of the final year of Kharkov University of Air Force named after Kozhedub (HUVS) are 90-170 hours, which is much more than the average raid of graduates of this university in previous years. This was announced by the head of the university Andrei Alimpiev.
    According to him, the average flying time of future fighter pilots is already almost 170 hours, transport aviation pilots - 90, navigators - 130 and helicopter pilots - more than 30 hours. Compared to previous years, these figures increased by 30-50%.

    Why didn’t the school be renamed?
    It is strange why not the name of Mazepa, Petliura, Bandera or some other Shukhevych.
    Kozhedub is not yours - he drenched your friends.
  42. shuravi
    shuravi 8 January 2018 09: 38 New
    0
    And what did Misha Zhirokhov not tell at which wunderwaffe students of the Khprikov school study?
    HAZ-30


  43. Dobriy_chelvek
    Dobriy_chelvek 9 January 2018 03: 24 New
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    Yeah, I look at you members of the forum and wonder why, okay with admins, do they raise the audience on hype, and the rest? Hello to the guy with UA, I amused, and the rest suffer from some kind of chauvinism, they hanged the stigma of a Nazi on a person, you are still the accuser of him in the schedule of blood of Orthodox babies. Well, all right, his legal right to uphold the integrity of his country and not endorse the views of the inhabitants of Donbass. And the article is bullshit. Py. Sy. Discuss this comment as you wish)
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 9 January 2018 12: 51 New
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      For example, I still eat bullfinches. Yes, kamenty still deliver)) But the article is still quite decent)
  44. Uxus
    Uxus 9 January 2018 10: 16 New
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    Quote: Grumant
    1. I will go (age is no longer for mobilization, therefore only a volunteer)! You declare war.

    Meaning? For what?
    Quote: Grumant
    2. The enemy cannot be afraid, you just need to evaluate him correctly. I hope we have competent analysts at the GRU.

    I will disappoint you. Illiterate. Google the word "new Russia" for 2014, and then for 2017. Only on more or less sane resources ....
  45. Uxus
    Uxus 9 January 2018 10: 52 New
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    Quote: Fitter65
    Quote: Uxus
    Savchenko was exchanged for two of your losses from the GRU, if you forgot.

    Moreover, the two GRU generals didn’t change your Nadia for anyone. You exchanged the heroine Nadia for the Kremlin agent Savchenko.
    No wonder the president of Somalia says, do not call us second Ukraine.

    What are the generals? Erofeev and Alexandrov?
  46. Uxus
    Uxus 11 January 2018 12: 16 New
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    Quote: Okolotochny
    Well, the specifics are ZERO, verbiage is one, of course, there is nothing to answer, as always. And for the proof - in the border village of the Rostov region after shelling the APU in 2015. 2nd died. Wasn't that too? fool

    That's for sure verbiage. Because there is no PROOF, but only empty statements. And there is nothing to answer you.