The Iron Dome passed combat tests

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The Iron Dome passed combat tests


Last year, Israel watched the first real hostilities of its Iron Dome anti-missile system. The Iron Dome demonstrated success by shooting down more than 85 percent of the missiles aimed at Israeli cities and towns.

A year ago, Israel deployed only its two anti-missile batteries, the Iron Dome, to protect against missiles fired from the Gaza Strip. One was deployed near the town of Beersheba (the largest city in the Negev desert and east of Gaza), and the other near the coastal city of Ashdod (the largest city within reach of 122-mm missiles fired from the Gaza Strip). 7 April 2011, the 122-mm rocket was intercepted near Ashkelon, south of Ashdod. The deployment of these batteries was caused by an increase in the number of missiles fired from the Gaza Strip and the increased use of 122-mm long-range missiles (20 kilometers). The missile defense system The Iron Dome proved that it is capable of operating in combat conditions, intercepting factory-made long-range missiles aimed at human settlements.

This year there were even more severe attacks. From 250 missiles fired from the Gaza Strip, 166 flew to Israel, and the Iron Dome computer system found that 56 missiles were sent to populated areas. They were released by interceptors that destroyed 75 percent of missiles. Thus, only 11 percent of the missiles that penetrated Israeli airspace actually hit populated areas, the rest missed or landed in the Gaza Strip itself. The ability of the Iron Dome to calculate ignoring any rockets aimed at deserted terrain allows the system to focus on a minority (less than a third) of rockets aimed at human settlements and those that can actually get close to their targets.

The deployment of the battery in the 2011 year was very important for the fate of the Iron Dome. Four months earlier, Israel declared that its new anti-missile system, the Iron Dome, was not designed to protect cities and villages, but only for military bases. This statement was a big shock for most Israelis. For years, politicians touted the Iron Dome as a means of protecting civilians living near the Gaza Strip in the south of the country, near Lebanon and in the north of Israel. But, as it turned out, the Iron Dome takes only about 15 seconds to detect, identify and fire targets with antimissiles. But in most cases, civilian objects currently undergoing rocket attacks from Gaza are close enough to the border (within 13 km), and therefore the missiles reach their targets in less than 15 seconds. This means that the city of Sderot, the closest Israeli city to the Gaza Strip, cannot be protected by the missile defense system. Over the past few years, Sderot has become a prime target for Palestinian rockets.

The problem of short distance and the short time of the approach of Palestinian rockets explains the reason why, after two years ago, the Iron Dome was declared ready for battle, to the surprise of many, it was placed in storage. The air force said they would prefer to save money and store the Iron Dome batteries for storage and deploy them only for routine testing and training, as well as in real emergency situations (the expected large-scale rocket attacks on southern and northern Israel). Politicians demanded that at least one battery be deployed along the border with Gaza. However, the military is more afraid of the growing arms of Hamas and Hezbollah with long-range missiles. This will allow them to bombard Israeli military bases with a large number of missiles. The generals believe that it is more important to protect the armed forces, which will ultimately protect Israel, and the Iron Dome should be used for this purpose. Since military bases are relatively far from the border, missiles with longer range and flight time (more than 15 seconds) will be used to fire them. The missile defense system The Iron Dome will be able to shoot down many of these missiles, as has already been demonstrated in trials. However, the use by terrorists of longer-range missiles for civilian targets changed these plans. Hamas seeks to kill civilians and directs its longer range missiles to Israeli cities.

Israel purchased seven Iron Dome batteries, which should be fully supplied next year. Three of them are currently in operation, and the rest will be ready by the end of this year. Each battery includes a radar, control equipment and four rocket launchers. Each battery costs about $ 37 millions, including more than fifty rockets.

The Iron Dome missile defense system uses two radars to quickly calculate the trajectory of intercepted missiles and takes no action if the missile’s calculated trajectory indicates that it is heading for deserted terrain. But if computers predict that the place of impact of the rocket will be a populated area, then a controlled interceptor missile worth $ 40 000 is triggered to intercept the attacking rocket. This makes the system profitable. This is because Hezbollah fired 4000 rockets in the 2006 year, and Palestinian terrorists in the Gaza Strip fired more than six thousand locally produced Qassam rockets in the past eight years, and the Israelis know where each of them hit. More than 90 percent of these missiles hit deserted areas, and only a few of those that hit populated areas resulted in casualties. However, a thousand interceptor missiles will cost $ 40 million. But this will save a large number of military equipment and avoid the multitude of dead and wounded among the soldiers. Israel has already launched a radar warning of a missile threat. The Iron Dome uses this system in addition to other, more specialized radars in southern Israel.

The rocket attacks began in the 2001 year, but they have increased significantly since Israel withdrew from Gaza in August of the 2005 year. This peaceful gesture had the opposite effect. From 2001 to 2005, about 700 rockets were fired from Gaza in Israel. After the withdrawal of troops in the 2005 year, 4000 missiles were fired at Israel. The intensity of the attacks increased even more after Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip in June on 2007.

Hamas armed with Iranian and Chinese factory-made BM-21 and BM-12 missiles. Israel believes that currently Hamas in the Gaza Strip has factory-made BM-21 rockets, each of which has a range of 20-40 kilometers. Hamas also has Russian-made B-12 missiles with a slightly smaller range (six kilometers). They are not smuggled in large quantities, as the Qassam II of local production has approximately the same firing range. However, the B-12 is more reliable (more predictable trajectory and fuse, so it will most likely land where it was directed and explode).

The 12-caliber B-107 rocket weighs 19 kg, its length is 84 cm and it is very popular among terrorists. This missile has a firing range of about six kilometers and an 1.35 kg of explosive in a warhead. Usually launched from the launcher salvo of dozens of missiles. When it is used one by one, then it is the more accurate, the closer it runs from the target. This 107-mm design has been copied by many countries and is very popular among partisans and terrorists due to its small size and portability. There is also a Chinese version of the BM-12 rocket, which has a smaller warhead and a large rocket engine. This version has a range of about 12-and kilometers.

The 21-caliber BM-122 rocket weighs 68.2 kg and is 2.9 m long. It has a 20.5 kilogram warhead, but not much better accuracy than the 107-mm model. However, these large missiles have a maximum range of 20 km. Again, since these missiles are uncontrollable, they are effective only when launched by volleys or for large targets (for example, in cities, large military bases and industrial complexes). There are Egyptian and Chinese models with smaller warheads and large rocket engines, which allows them to reach about 40 kilometers. This year, the Iron Dome intercepted eight of these large missiles aimed at Ashkelon and Ashdod. Then the Iron Dome battery was moved to other cities, where the Israeli Air Force is planning to eventually install the Iron Dome PRO batteries.

Rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip were surprisingly ineffective, killing only 40 people in eight years (half with rockets, the rest from mortars). Hamas was forced to launch around 270 rockets and mortar shells on every killed Israeli soldier or civilian. Israeli counterattacks resulted in the death or injury of one Palestinian for every three Palestinian rockets and mortar shells fired. One Israeli was killed or wounded for every 40 missile and mortar shells fired. Israeli fire was much more accurate, so most of the Palestinian victims were involved in terrorist activities, or persons involved in the creation or shelling of Israel with rockets and mortar shells. Hamas tried to maximize the number of civilian casualties by storing rockets in residential areas, as well as launching them from the same areas. Although Hamas believes in the concept of “involuntary martyrs”, sacrificing civilians, even if the victims themselves were not ready for this, many of the selected candidates do not want to die. Thus, the civilian population is trying to stay away from the areas from which they launch rockets and try to hide the fact that the rockets are hidden under their houses.

Meanwhile, in the north of Lebanon, Hezbollah possesses stockpiles from more than 40000 factory-made rockets, mostly BM-21, delivered from Iran via Syria. This is three times the number of rockets that they had in the summer of 2006, when more than 4000 rockets were fired at the northern part of Israel, killing about fifty people, most of whom were civilians. More than a thousand Lebanese died from Israeli counterattacks. Hezbollah and Hamas are planning to finally launch a joint missile strike on Israel. The Israelis are planning more effective countermeasures, which they do not discuss openly. There is also the possibility of deploying the Iron Dome in northern Israel, but the final decision has not yet been made.
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  1. +9
    April 11 2012 09: 15
    So how am I supposed to react now? laughing Rejoice or be sad? I’ll do both, I’ll be glad for the ordinary Israeli citizen that he is now more protected and drowning, that the realization of his impunity can push the Israeli government to rash actions against its neighbors. And this is sad and fraught ...
    1. Aleksey67
      +2
      April 11 2012 10: 33
      Quote: esaul
      I’ll do both, I’ll be glad for the ordinary Israeli citizen that he is now more protected and drowning, that the realization of his impunity can push the Israeli government to rash actions against its neighbors. And this is sad and fraught ...


      Hi Valera! Something vague doubts gnaw me that members of the Israeli government or those who decide to start the bombing live in the Hamas missile area.
      In general, the "dry numbers" of the number of dead and wounded by a certain number of mines and missiles make you think that people are just "consumables" ... belay Israel has extensive experience in "anti-terrorist activities" due to temporary and historical factors (they live for a long time surrounded by enemies). I do not raise the political side of the issue (the srachs are tired, recently I do not go to the Armenian-Azerbaijani articles at all smile ), but I heard that everyone who died in terrorist attacks is automatically considered "killed for the Motherland" (he formulated it in a clumsy manner, but it seems like a national hero), they do not negotiate with terrorists, but purposefully destroy many other things "written in blood" (like Traffic rules and statutes). Earlier, as far as I know, our "specialists" actively cooperated with the Israelis. smile
      1. +8
        April 11 2012 11: 39
        Hi Valera! Something vague doubts gnaw me that members of the Israeli government or those who decide to start the bombing live in the Hamas missile area.
        I agree with this statement since 2006 went through a month of daily shelling, and every day go to work, no members of the government, even the entire city government were shed, mostly 90% of us remained from the shelling, we are immigrants from the USSR
        1. +4
          April 11 2012 16: 34
          Quote: igor67
          I agree with this assertion since 2006 survived a month of daily shelling, and no government members went to work, d-90s a similar system was developed in one of the closed research institutes near Moscow. Even the entire city government was shed, mostly 90% remained under shelling. immigrants from the USSR


          By the way, Israel is testing the Hetz-3 missile defense system. This is an extra-atmospheric system to intercept ballistic missiles up to 100 km. Thus, "Hets-3" will close the topmost echelon of Israel's four-echelon missile defense. If the missile cannot be shot down at the top point of its ballistic trajectory, the missile defense system of the lower echelons (David's Sling and Iron Dome systems) will have time to destroy it.
          By the way, in the early 90s it was developed in one closed research institute near Moscow as an additional echelon of the Moscow missile defense system against single unmassed launches without detonating the warhead in the stratosphere of the metro
          house "iron on iron" The development was called unofficially, either an arrow or a crossbow, I don't remember. Then, due to underfunding, this branch was either closed or re-profiled, I don't know. But some of the engineers and designers then immigrated to Israel. So the immigrants from the USSR probably put their hand here. A very similar idea is only implemented in the mobile version. So there is a secret motive to leave immigrants from the USSR under fire, the missile defense system is faster and better quality. will come up with using the Soviet experience. (indigenous people cannot)
          A peculiar Israeli embodiment of Beria's sharashkas, as in "The First Circle" by Solzhenitsyn. I ask you to take not so close to your heart the far-flung retreat. I didn’t want to offend anyone, it’s just a very analogy that suggests itself. As one of the heroes of the popular Soviet comedy said, "I am gnawed by vague doubts .."
      2. -3
        April 11 2012 12: 05
        Meanwhile, in the north of Lebanon, Hezbollah possesses stockpiles from more than 40000 factory-made rockets, mostly BM-21, delivered from Iran via Syria. This is three times the number of rockets that they had in the summer of 2006, when more than 4000 rockets were fired at the northern part of Israel, killing about fifty people, most of whom were civilians. More than a thousand Lebanese died from Israeli counterattacks. Hezbollah and Hamas are planning to finally launch a joint missile strike on Israel. The Israelis are planning more effective countermeasures, which they do not discuss openly. There is also the possibility of deploying the Iron Dome in northern Israel, but the final decision has not yet been made.


        and so effectively civilians are spread rot and bombed, well, nothing Hamas and Hezbollah, they will screw a threaded screw into an indecent place, a Middle East stronghold, the most likely enemy.
        1. +6
          April 11 2012 15: 10
          Civilian - why do you have such LOVE for Hamas and Hezbollah ??? I think that if you are left in their quarter for 30 minutes, then you will have a great chance to decorate the nearest fence with your dome, but the body will do for a barbecue ... (he said a little dirty, but there is a lot of truth in that). Killing "KYAFIR" is a good thing.
          1. +2
            April 11 2012 20: 12
            Victor, a kyafir, I’m unlikely to be there, although there are friends in Israel, BUT, there are interests of the Russian State.
    2. Insurgent
      0
      April 11 2012 22: 27
      And these neighbors are cannibals
    3. DimychAs
      +1
      April 11 2012 23: 31
      The iron dome is not armor, but the dome can also be dealt with.
  2. +6
    April 11 2012 10: 00
    The system is good, but expensive, Israel runs the risk of flying into the pipe with such a system
    1. vylvyn
      -2
      April 11 2012 17: 00
      Therefore, they save (a purely Jewish mentality) on the number of missiles that they launch. In order not to waste missiles. they calculate the trajectory of their flight and the place of a possible direction.

      Quote - "The ability of the Iron Dome to calculate ignore which missiles are aimed at unpopulated terrain allows the system to focus on a minority (less than a third) of missiles aimed at populated areas, and those that may actually hit their targets."

      That is, if you use guided missiles, directing them first away from the target, and then changing their trajectory, the Iron Dome will become ineffective. And then the Jews cannot do with the three suburban systems, they will have to put them near each border town and village. And this will be discussed dozens of complexes. Plus missile early detection stations included in the Iron Dome system can be an excellent target.

      I also heard from my ear that the system does not work at low altitudes, blind. And this is another loophole.
      1. karlo
        -1
        April 11 2012 21: 38
        Quote: vylvyn
        That is, if you use guided missiles, directing them first away from the target, and then changing their trajectory, the Iron Dome will become ineffective. And then the Jews cannot do with the three suburban systems, they will have to put them near each border town and village.

        Hamas guided missiles? Who will fly into the pipe so they are (the difference in the cost of guided and unguided missiles is orders of magnitude higher)

        Quote: vylvyn
        I also heard from my ear that the system does not work at low altitudes, blind. And this is another loophole.

        In general, apparently, the edge of the ear in some occupies the entire skull. What are the small heights of hail? Is that cruise missiles? Or do not cut in the subject?
    2. +1
      April 11 2012 17: 42
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The system is good, but expensive, Israel runs the risk of flying into the pipe with such a system

      Palestinians will fly out faster, 40kb per charge is not so expensive, and with such selection of goals it’s very effective, and Israel’s money is not an example more than Palestinians
    3. 0
      April 12 2012 12: 04
      The British in World War II, due to the impossibility of intercepting the FAU-2, simply stupidly bombed the starting positions, i.e. worked proactively. In my opinion, Israel needs to work in this direction, but the methods of work will turn out to be bloodthirsty in relation to the peaceful Palestinians, although who is peaceful and who is a militant the shaitan himself will not understand. It's just that after each "work" it is necessary to inform the Palestinians about the responsible and the reasons for "work", and in the future to warn about possible consequences. As the saying goes, it is easier (read - cheaper) to prevent disease than to cure.
  3. -5
    April 11 2012 10: 12
    The last modifications of the missiles began to be made of fiberglass ... the radar does not see them ... and it seems that the protection of civilians is not a priority .... and 16 seconds of reaction, this is a lot ... a lot ... minus .. .
    1. +11
      April 11 2012 10: 22
      the latest rocket modifications began to be made of fiberglass ... the radar does not see them ...
      laughing
      You can read more about the miracle material not visible to the radar. I will patent it and get rich. good
      And then the radar sees a bird (he just does not know that the wound is not metal), but he does not see the MLRS missile ...
      Excuse me, is this fiberglass transparent to radio waves? Thanks to plastic or glass? Are the rocket engine and warhead transparent too?

      Rejoice or be sad?

      Do not be so emotionally perceive everything. wink
      Just a missile defense system.
      1. Igorboss16
        -3
        April 11 2012 12: 56
        current price of this dome is cosmic in relation to the destruction of one target
        1. +11
          April 11 2012 13: 00
          The price of the interceptor must be compared with the price of the protected object. Bullet-proof vest is also much more expensive than a bullet.
          1. -3
            April 11 2012 15: 22
            But it protects more than 1 time. bully
            1. Igorboss16
              +1
              April 11 2012 15: 52
              instead of deploying the domes, I would advise them to solve everything peacefully, and not follow the amer’s case then they wouldn’t have to do this, and their missiles do not always intercept the target, they do not live up to expectations
              1. +6
                April 11 2012 15: 54
                I would advise them to solve everything peacefully

                Tried it, here is a live example:
                The rocket attacks began in the 2001 year, but they have increased significantly since Israel withdrew from Gaza in August of the 2005 year. This peaceful gesture had the opposite effect. From 2001 to 2005, about 700 rockets were fired from Gaza in Israel. After the withdrawal of troops in the 2005 year, 4000 missiles were fired at Israel. The intensity of the attacks increased even more after Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip in June on 2007.
                1. Igorboss16
                  -1
                  April 11 2012 17: 29
                  it means there was some reason for these attacks that most likely will not be shown to us, because nothing happens just like that, there may have been provocations that bring benefits to someone
                  1. +1
                    April 11 2012 18: 07
                    it means there was some reason for these attacks that most likely will not be shown to us, because nothing happens just like that, there may have been provocations that bring benefits to someone

                    There is always a reason. This as such is the existence of the state of Israel. The charter of Hamas and the charter of the PLO and Fatah record that their goal is the destruction of the state of Israel.
                    1. Igorboss16
                      -2
                      April 11 2012 18: 59
                      Quote: professor
                      . The charter of Hamas and the charter of the PLO and Fatah record that their goal is the destruction of the state of Israel.



                      doesn't it seem funny to you ??
                      Here are recent shelling statistics:
                      February

                      February 1
                      Eight rockets were fired at Israeli territory, no one was killed, and no damage was done. The very next day, the Israel Defense Forces hit six targets in the Gaza Strip
                      February 6
                      Kassam fell on the territory of the regional council of Shaar ha Negev, no one was hurt
                      February 10
                      The rocket fell in the populated on the territory of the regional council Hof Ashkelon, people were not injured, but the buildings were slightly damaged
                      February 11
                      A rocket launched by Palestinian terrorists fell in the Eshkol regional council. No harm done. In response, Israel fired on the Gaza Strip, three tunnels for transporting weapons and a weapons workshop became targets. One civilian was killed, another was injured
                      February 15
                      Palestinians fired five rockets at Israel. Two missiles were taken over by the regional councils Sdot-Negev and Hof Ashkelon, no damage was recorded. The Israel Defense Forces responded with shelling, four people were injured, according to Interfax [
                      February 17
                      On the evening of this day, two missiles were fired from the Gaza Strip, one fell on the territory of the Eshkol Council, the other on the Hof-Ashkelon Council. No harm done[
                      February 18
                      The Grad rocket fell north of Be'er Sheva, no one was hurt [18]. Also, “box office” was released from Gaza, which exploded on the territory of the Sector itself, above a residential building, and no one was hurt [
                      February 19
                      Two rockets fell on the territory of the Sdot-Negev council, no one was hurt, no damage was done

                      it seems that in order to destroy the enemy, it is necessary to carry out a large-scale attack planned in their size in order to destroy the strategic points of the enemy, but not like in our case. I do not argue in Hamas there are gavniuki too, but Israeli retaliatory measures did more harm. and even the dome blundered, and the Palestinian box office can not be compared with Israeli artillery
                      1. +1
                        April 11 2012 19: 28
                        it seems that to destroy the enemy it is necessary to carry out a large-scale attack planned in their size in order to destroy the strategic points of the enemy,

                        Hamas blows up a Russian disco, although the General Staff building is a couple of kilometers away.

                        Yes, and the Palestinian box office can not be compared with Israeli artillery

                        Israel practically does not use artillery against the Palestinians (I posted an article about this).
                      2. Igorboss16
                        0
                        April 11 2012 19: 34
                        Quote: professor
                        Israel practically does not use artillery against the Palestinians (I posted an article about this).


                        A rocket launched by Palestinian terrorists fell in the Eshkol regional council. No harm done. In response, Israel fired on the Gaza Strip, three tunnels for transporting weapons and a weapons workshop became targets. One civilian was killed, another was injured

                        the shelling was probably from pistols request
                      3. +1
                        April 11 2012 19: 45
                        the shelling was probably from pistols

                        but pistols and artillery you do not know other means of fire?
                      4. Igorboss16
                        -1
                        April 11 2012 19: 56
                        can you enlighten?
                        artillery cheaper than rszo and simpler
                      5. +3
                        April 11 2012 20: 47
                        I will not educate, but I will share information. Since Israel left the so-called Philadelphia Corridor (the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt, by the way, since then, the claims about the Israeli blockade of Gaza are groundless) have been fighting anti-bunker tunnels with tunnels. This happens for two reasons, these bombs are more accurate than artillery and do not take these tunnels with artillery.
                      6. Igorboss16
                        -1
                        April 11 2012 21: 07
                        but Israel’s retaliatory measures, to put it mildly, lead to more disastrous results. It’s not humane with the Palestinians, since they have only civilian victims, there is simply no other choice but to try to break free in order to ensure their own lives and the family. if Israel so wanted to end this madness, he would have agreed a long time ago, apparently the war is beneficial to him
                      7. +2
                        April 11 2012 21: 19
                        Quite the opposite. As soon as Israel decided to heed the calls of the pacifists and decided to agree, the Arabs interpreted this as weakness and the attacks only intensified. This is also mentioned in this article.
                        You will be surprised, but the Palestinians (from my personal communication with them) are the most respected Israeli politicians for Sharon and not for the fact that he tried to come to an agreement with them.
                      8. Igorboss16
                        -1
                        April 11 2012 21: 54
                        we all know that an ordinary Palestinian does not need this war, reports show this: if in 2008, 3276 missiles were fired in Israel, then in 2009 - only 367, in 2010 - up to 150 this tension is removed, this fool is understandable, and in relation to Israel is not very keen on resolving disagreements with Iran, but Palestine is clearly succeeding in reducing its vile antics. I think soon they will stop altogether, and the terrorists do not sit still. disturbing the calm
                      9. karlo
                        +1
                        April 11 2012 21: 46
                        Quote: Igorboss16
                        but the Israeli response to put it mildly leads to more disastrous results that are not humane with respect to the Palestinians

                        In general, what is it about, I would look if only Georgia simply fired (and even on non-populated areas), but simply on the territory of Russia), pl fields. What would be the reaction of the Russian Federation. And we mean if we fired and didn’t kill anyone, we forgive the meanings. Do you even know what it means to live under serenes? When at any time of the day or night it can howl and everything, young and old, rush to bomb shelters or constantly jump out onto stairwells. And this continues neither day nor week, but for years. We are still patient.
                      10. Igorboss16
                        -1
                        April 11 2012 22: 05
                        the fact of the matter is that Israel is bombing the civilian population and not terror, it’s the same as if our military shot the peaceful Georgians in August, this is absurd Israel is a little unable to identify the descent points of the bastards, therefore they shoot in retaliation, that's just what they and capable
                      11. -3
                        April 11 2012 23: 35
                        Listen to more bedtime stories. Just the point of dislocation is. The problem is that too often they are in densely populated areas. Often, they refuse to strike precisely because of this. But it happens that the strike is already being done - and suddenly a civilian appears.
                      12. Igorboss16
                        +1
                        April 12 2012 00: 54

                        Dear Pimpy
                        something is invisible no result from the bombing of Israel by airplanes and other means, only civilians are suffering and you say you know about the place of deployment, do you know how long after the enemy art strike should be fired back? maximum 10 minutes !!!!!
                        igor67, says that in even days, and what kind of retaliatory strike and defeat of the enemy can you speak of, this is really a fairy tale
                      13. +2
                        April 12 2012 01: 07
                        something is invisible no result from the Israeli bebezhees of planes and other means ---- ATTENTION at least do not believe. The daughter serves and told. That even shooting in automatic mode is prohibited. not humanly, not like bombing
                      14. 0
                        April 11 2012 21: 55
                        in general, leaflets where the time and place of the shelling are reported are dropped before the shelling. Well, an adult man when the media report that the damned Israeli Air Force bombed the Palestinians for one victim of three wounded people. salary) and kontekukish
                      15. karlo
                        0
                        April 12 2012 10: 43
                        Quote: Igorboss16
                        since the victims are only civilians

                        where such data comes from

                        Quote: Igorboss16
                        they simply do not have another way out as soon as they try to break free in order to provide for life for themselves and their families

                        Look carefully at the map. Gaza borders on Egypt and checkpoints are not controlled by Israel. So what's the problem ? To brothers in Egypt, ride, trade. But for some reason, the Egyptians somehow didn’t let them in. Probably because where only the Palestinians did not settle except for wars, they brought nothing.
                        After the end of the 1967 war and the establishment of Israeli control over the West Bank, a large number (up to 200 thousand) of refugees settled in the Kingdom of Jordan, and the country's territory became the rear base for the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). As a result of the PLO actions, Jordan suffered significant damage both militarily, being a natural target for Israel’s retaliatory measures, as well as domestic political one, since Palestinian organizations claimed the right to regulate the activities of their compatriots, and, in the long term, the political power in Jordan. PAfter several clashes in 1969 and in the first half of 1970 between Palestinians and Jordanian security forces, the royal army took decisive action in September 1970 and, after several weeks of fighting, brought under its control the resettlement zones of immigrants from West Palestine and the military bases of the radicals, and the following year, they stopped their attempts to restore the lost status quo. Syria, taking the side of the Palestinians, took an active part in the conflict. As a result of these events, known as Black September, 3 to 10 thousand militants and Palestinian civilians died, and about 150 thousand were expelled from Jordan. [2] [3]

                        Having been defeated by the forces of the regular Israeli army, Palestinian resistance units retreated into Jordan. In 1970, Yasser Arafat, having entered into a conspiracy with a group of Jordanian army officers, tried by way of a military coup to overthrow the King of Jordan Hussein. However, the Palestinian forces suffered a crushing defeat and were forced to relocate to Lebanon, where, according to the Cairo Agreement of 1969 and the Melkart Agreement of 1973, the Lebanese side granted them the right to have armed forces. As a result of the September Black Events, 3 to 10 thousand militants and Palestinian civilians died, and about 150 thousand were expelled from Jordan. [1] [Having been defeated by the forces of the regular Israeli army, Palestinian resistance units retreated to Jordan. In 1970, Yasser Arafat, having entered into a conspiracy with a group of Jordanian army officers, tried by way of a military coup to overthrow the King of Jordan Hussein. However, the Palestinian forces suffered a crushing defeat and were forced to relocate to Lebanon, where, according to the Cairo Agreement of 1969 and the Melkart Agreement of 1973, the Lebanese side granted them the right to have armed forces. As a result of the "events of Black September", from 3 to 10 thousand militants and Palestinian civilians died, and about 150 thousand were expelled from Jordan. [1] [2]

                        Palestinian militants launched forays into Lebanese territory into Israeli territory, leaving the Lebanese government in a difficult position. Palestinian militants actually organized a "state in state", where Lebanese legislation did not apply. Palestinian camps and settlements have become centers of crime and terrorism. Particularly from the arbitrariness of Palestinians suffered the population of southern Lebanon, mainly Christians and Shiite Muslims. Muslim circles decided to use the presence of a large number of armed Palestinians to redistribute the state system of the country in favor of the Muslim community, limiting the rights of the country's Christian population.
                        The civil war began on April 13, 1975 with clashes in Beirut between Palestinian militants and Kataib Christian Party units.. The clashes began after an attempt by the Palestinians to kill one of the leaders of the Lebanese Christian community, Sheikh Pierre Gemayel. Gradually, hostilities spread to the northern and eastern parts of the country. Until October 1975, armed clashes took place mainly between detachments of various Palestinian organizations and the police of Christian parties.

                        The Los Angeles Times, citing official Lebanese police statistics, already in 1992 estimated the death toll in the civil war at 144, with more than two hundred thousand wounded. [14]

                        At the end of March, the conflict between the rival armed groups - the Salah al-Din battalions (the fighting wing of the People’s Resistance Committees) and the PNA security services along with the militants of the Fatah militarized al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade escalated in the PNA. Hamas tried to oust former police officers who were not subordinate to the Minister of the Interior and supporters of Fatah, who at first refused to obey the Fatah government - Hamas Link1 Link 2, and then refused to leave the civil service. By winter, the situation has escalated to the limit putting the PNA on the brink of civil war.

                        They can’t agree with each other
                        Egypt understands perfectly well that, apart from hemarrhoids, the Palestinians will not bring them anything, by the way, like all other Arab states, and the Palestinians they need only as a form of pressure on Israel, so it is advisable to keep them hungry and evil.
                        At the same time, the Palestinian leadership was faced with an acute financial crisis, primarily associated with a sharp decrease in foreign aid, the accumulation of debt to suppliers and the achievement of a credit limit for the Palestinian banking system. Another factor in the crisis was the lack of progress in the development of the private sector of the economy, coupled with the inability to increase revenues from domestic sources. The public sector remains the largest employer in the West Bank.

                        This financial situation raises serious doubts that the Palestinian Authority will be able to reduce its dependence on foreign aid in the coming years, especially since financial assistance Arab countries is very limited and the global crisis has reduced the resources of international humanitarian structures.

                        As The New York Times reported on July 3, 2011, the PNA is undergoing a serious financial crisis. So, Prime Minister Salam Fayyad announced that more than 150 civil servants will be paid only half of the salary for July. It should be noted that more than a million people live on these salaries. PA government’s debt to banks is more than $ 000 million and there is no hope for new loans
                        Muhammad Mustafa, chairman of the Palestine Investment Fund, said the PA administration has received some $ 15 billion in donations in recent years.
                        The reason for the crisis is the refusal of foreign - especially Arab - states to provide the Fayyad government with the previously promised financial assistance

                        No one to talk to. Palestinians are in the spotlight only in the context of the confrontation with Israel. The signing of a peace treaty will deprive them of the rest of the money from the Arabs (even now they receive almost nothing from them since they practically stopped the armed struggle), and after the treaty they simply turn into the poorest country in the Middle East. Have to work, and not live on the handouts of the whole world. They are simply not vitally interested in this. The fact is that the Palestinians do not need Nikamu fuck and first of all the Arabs themselves.
                      16. Igorboss16
                        +1
                        April 12 2012 15: 00
                        [quote = karlo]
                        Quote: Igorboss16
                        since the victims are only civilians
                        where such data comes from

                        official statistics: it’ll fly into a shop to a dealer, then it will cover it in tunnels, in Israel they probably said that the militants banged
                      17. karlo
                        +1
                        April 12 2012 15: 50
                        Quote: Igorboss16
                        official statistics: it’ll fly into a shop to a dealer, then it will cover it in tunnels, in Israel they probably said that the militants banged

                        Why didn’t you bring it? Send a link
                      18. Insurgent
                        0
                        April 11 2012 22: 30
                        You shell the US territory and it is tantamount to signing a death sentence
                    2. Zynaps
                      -3
                      April 11 2012 19: 14
                      Quote: professor
                      The charter of Hamas and the charter of the PLO and Fatah record that their goal is the destruction of the state of Israel.


                      lies. from the "Palestinian Charter" the clause denying Israel's right to exist has long been removed. already 20 years ago.

                      the problems of the Arab-Israeli conflict are old, known a long time ago and have a much more real basis than the complete denial of the state of Israel.

                      1. the consolidation of artificial borders cut by the UN during the formation of Israel.
                      2. Jerusalem status
                      3. The problem with Israeli settlers
                      4. Palestinian refugees
                      5. water allocation

                      all five points affect the vital interests of Israelis and Arabs, and therefore, no political resolution is expected in the near future.

                      and if Israel were a good guy in literally everything and always, there would not be, for example, such a problem as the "refusenik pilots" of the Israeli Air Force.
                      1. +1
                        April 11 2012 19: 37
                        if Israel were a good kid

                        Israel is not a good thing.

                        such a problem as the "refusenik pilots" of the Israeli Air Force.

                        There is no such problem. There were reservist pilots who opposed the use of aviation in the territories. As it turned out later, they (refuseniks) did not participate in such actions anyway. There I was "smiled" by the pilots and navigators of the Hercules who NEVER took part in operations in the territories.
            2. Insurgent
              0
              April 11 2012 22: 29
              Once enough
      2. 755962
        +1
        April 11 2012 17: 03
        Quote: professor
        Just a missile defense system.

        I note a very effective one.
      3. FROST
        -3
        April 11 2012 17: 38
        Just a missile defense system.


        Professor, do you have information from English-speaking resources (in RuNet they give too indecent scatter, a dubious degree of trust) at the maximum speed of the targets hit? It would be very interesting to estimate the capabilities of this complex to cover long-range air defense systems from an attack by modern anti-radar missiles.
        1. 0
          April 11 2012 18: 36
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYGc3K7R5Tg&feature=player_embedded#!

          Only the range of intercepted missiles is reported - 4-70 km.
          Iron Dome
        2. -5
          April 11 2012 21: 35
          System manufacturers claim that the system is capable of intercepting soap rockets of all types. The battery covers an area of ​​150 km, and destroy a volley to 12 missiles simultaneously
      4. -1
        April 11 2012 21: 58
        Prof ... but I did not expect this from you ... Fiberglass is an epoxy resin for fiberglass ... radar domes are made from this material ... gunpowder you yourself understand this is not metal ... and it was also trotyl ... even a fuse can be made of glass ...
        1. Zynaps
          +2
          April 11 2012 22: 28
          and what - if desired? in sea mines fuses were made of glass.
          1. +1
            April 11 2012 22: 32
            In the sense, if there is a desire to completely do without metal .. plus ..
          2. karlo
            +5
            April 12 2012 14: 39
            Quote: Zynaps
            and what - if desired? in sea mines fuses were made of glass.

            Normal boys. The glass is transparent, which means the radar does not see. Glass fuses on underwater mines, so if you launch such a mine from a slingshot, not a single radar will notice. It is strange that in Ukraine avitaminosis, as it is strange, is reflected in the mental activity of especially advanced specialists
            As Comrade Bender said. Such must be shot from slingshots in childhood.
        2. 0
          April 12 2012 13: 17
          Once again I will repeat about the birds which are clearly visible on the radar. And then the 120-mm pipe with the filling ... wink
          1. Igorboss16
            0
            April 12 2012 15: 04
            what can you do, far karlo, from the principles of radar
          2. 0
            April 12 2012 16: 40
            Roughly speaking, visibility on the radar is related to the ability to conduct electric current ... by putting two fingers into the socket, you can make sure that the person on the radar will be visible ... Fiberglass is a dielectric ... it does not conduct current ... and the filling is pyroxylin powder .. ... also a dielectric ... I know that you do not like Wikipedia ... but type materials transparent to the radar ... plus ... for perseverance in beliefs ..
            1. 0
              April 12 2012 17: 15
              Roughly speaking, visibility on the radar is related to the ability to conduct electric current ... by putting two fingers into the socket, you can make sure that the person on the radar will be visible ... Fiberglass is a dielectric ... it does not conduct current ... and the filling is pyroxylin powder .. ... also a dielectric ... I know that you do not like Wikipedia ... but type materials transparent to the radar ... plus ... for perseverance in beliefs ..

              So why does the radar see birds? They don’t conduct current laughing
              1. +1
                April 12 2012 21: 52
                The fact that they are sitting on the wires does not mean that they do not conduct current ... any living thing conducts current ... blood is in essence a saline solution ... electrolyte .. and the electrolyte conducts current perfectly ...
                1. karlo
                  0
                  April 12 2012 23: 08
                  Quote: ward
                  The fact that they are sitting on the wires does not mean that they do not conduct current ... any living thing conducts current ... blood is in essence a saline solution ... electrolyte .. and the electrolyte conducts current perfectly ...

                  No comments . Simply fool
            2. karlo
              0
              April 12 2012 23: 07
              [quote = ward] Roughly speaking, visibility on the radar is related to the ability to conduct electric current [/ quote
              Well, you tell the * electric * birds to them. Remarkably visible radars. Shkolota
              1. +1
                April 12 2012 23: 45
                You know, I know many Jews who are familiar ... they are smart and adequate people ... but here the professor does not know physics for the seventh grade ... but you yourself understood what you wanted to say ... alas, you discredit Jews as a nation .. If in Israel there are many such ... then I will probably bet on the Arabs ...
                1. -1
                  April 13 2012 09: 18
                  .a here the professor does not know physics for the seventh grade.

                  First, write nonsense about MLRS shells invisible to radar systems, and now you are trying to get personal ...
                  Tell us please, feathered is it a conductor, dielectric or Static Dissipative? Maybe they are generally a semiconductor? BUT? wink
                  1. -2
                    April 13 2012 16: 01
                    Professor, you died for me ...
                    1. 0
                      April 13 2012 20: 13
                      So what? Crouched in a corner and there was nothing to cover?
                      Here you are not psychology, but physics. fellow
                      What resistance do birds and gunpowder tell me? wink
                  2. FROST
                    -1
                    April 15 2012 22: 26
                    So why does the radar see birds? They don’t conduct current


                    Not quite right. When irradiated, a conduction current flows in their veins.
                    Feathered birds are really a better conductor than glass or plastic. blood flows in them, and it is an electrolyte. But dielectrics can also be well detected (although they certainly have less EPR). with the actual absence of conduction current, polarization and bias currents still arise in them. Therefore, plastic cash registers can also be easily shot down. It's all about the radiation power and sensitivity of the receiver.
  4. Railways
    -1
    April 11 2012 10: 41
    It is strange how many missiles were launched in one gulp across Israel, will the system withstand shelling of 25 ~ 40 missiles simultaneously?
    1. +4
      April 11 2012 11: 31
      For the Palestinians, volley luxury is not yet affordable (this Grad rocket is cheap at the exit from the manufacturer’s factory, but for now it’s not so cheap to smuggle it to Gaza). In tests, the Iron Dome also coped with volley fire.
    2. -4
      April 11 2012 14: 41
      The Iron Dome is only part of a comprehensive countermeasures system. In order to fire a salvo, you need to install salvo launchers. Considering the fact that a considerable part of the missile men manage to destroy before launch, and another part - immediately after - they simply do not have time. Plus - the canopy was tested for a volley. It is not for nothing that South Caucasus got interested in them, for which it is vitally important to protect Seoul.
    3. wars1991
      0
      April 11 2012 16: 18
      if they try to launch in one gulp, then they prematurely unmask themselves and will be destroyed .... So they have to perform single launches ...
    4. 755962
      0
      April 11 2012 17: 05
      Quote: RailWays
      Will the system withstand shelling of 25 ~ 40 missiles simultaneously?

      The Iron Dome anti-missile system shot down 25 missiles fired in the direction of Beer Sheva, Ashdod, Ashkelon and surrounding settlements, MIGnews reports.

      Considering that a total of 27 missiles were fired in this direction, it can be said that the Israeli development showed excellent results. We also note that two more missiles fell in the open, injured and there was no damage. March 10, 2012

      These are the highest results shown by the installation since its commissioning.
    5. -5
      April 11 2012 21: 43
      One battery, for the moment, can shoot down a volley of 12 missiles fired simultaneously. Therefore, it takes several batteries to cover the city, and therefore the system is only part of a security system, one of the elements of a multilayer shield
  5. 0
    April 11 2012 12: 01
    Something the Arabs are playing, what's the point of shelling the Jews, if half-by, half-shot down, is not rational. There are a lot of costs, no exhaust, and the risk of being "soaked" is great.
    It's time to move to another level.
    1. +1
      April 11 2012 12: 17
      Lazer - what's the point of shelling Jews if half-past, half-shot down, not rational. a simple provocation, how much the nerves will withstand a retaliatory strike, and then the media begin to work.
      1. +1
        April 11 2012 12: 36
        Yes, the work of the media can be stronger than the shelling, but I, as I understand, the Jews are "on the drum" on the media, here life is at stake.

        Who benefits from keeping Israel in good shape, and Arabs like cannon fodder?
        1. +3
          April 11 2012 12: 47
          Israel in 2006, like Russia 2008, lost the information war, especially the Reuters, I remember sales on RTR, they said that the Reuters apologized but did their nasty work. 2006 picture of a soldier takes out a dead girl, even here it was a photo, there was a morgue worker brought out the corpse of a girl, she died long before the war, and lay in the refrigerator, but the production went.
    2. -1
      April 11 2012 12: 19
      Quote: Lazer
      Something the Arabs played with, what is the point of firing at the Jews, if half-past, half-shot down, not rational.
      Yes, the whole question is in money! In Hamas, such grandmothers twist ..
      1. 0
        April 11 2012 12: 31
        revnagan-In Hamas, such grandmas are twisting. Well, since such "grandmothers" are twisting, then why are they so ...
        1. Passing
          -4
          April 11 2012 16: 02
          Quote: Lazer
          ... Well, since such "grandmothers" are twisting, then why are they so ...

          What is incomprehensible here, grandmothers do not spend there, they earn them there.
  6. PabloMsk
    -1
    April 11 2012 12: 04
    I still wonder at the patience of the Israelis :)

    How much can you look at these Hamas monkeys with sticks in their hands ....
    The dome is a good thing, it’s not ruinous for the state.

    And if mass bombardment of border cities begins, the Israeli military will again clean up Gaza :)
    I would "clean up" them once a month ....
  7. Dust
    -3
    April 11 2012 12: 11
    And, for every tricky bolt, there is always your own nut! No dome will help if you try hard ...
    1. -4
      April 11 2012 14: 38
      Of course. But then it's easier to sit on the ass smoothly, and wait for the gadget to bang on the head
  8. 0
    April 11 2012 12: 21
    excellent, but it's not a missile defense system ever. The goal category is not the same. Normal short-range air defense.
    I wonder if a full salvo BM-21?
    1. -5
      April 11 2012 14: 38
      This is part of the missile defense system. It includes two more systems - "Magic Wand" and "Hetz 3"
      1. 0
        April 11 2012 15: 24
        and what that changes. This complex is precisely air defense by the nature of the objectives. Other missiles and radars are used for missile defense.
    2. Passing
      -3
      April 11 2012 16: 13
      Quote: leon-iv
      I wonder if a full salvo BM-21?

      BM-21 salvo 40pcs.
      Iron Dome Battery - 50pcs
      Chance of defeat 75 (85 ???)%
      Anti-missiles are launched with a double, i.e. on one BM-21 machine you need two Iron Dome batteries.
      Conclusion: this thing is not for a serious war.
      1. -4
        April 11 2012 21: 47
        The system was developed in 2 (!) Of the year, and delivered in a relatively raw form. Nevertheless - it works. She has a plus goal, she captures and discovers everything.

        At the moment, Raphael is developing an improved version that will be more multi-tasking, the missiles of which will be smaller and cheaper, and the range will be expanded to 250km.
  9. fern
    -3
    April 11 2012 12: 33
    Well, probably now Hamas will seek new methods of struggle. I wonder what else they’ll come up with?
    1. -1
      April 11 2012 12: 46
      1000 missiles will be launched and Israel will go bankrupt))))
      1. +1
        April 11 2012 17: 45
        Quote: leon-iv
        1000 missiles will be launched and Israel will go bankrupt))))

        40 million will destroy Israel? the states will draw 400 more to them
        1. -1
          April 11 2012 18: 14
          For this system, and so the United States paid.
      2. Insurgent
        +1
        April 11 2012 22: 35
        You try to launch at once 1000 UAV missiles scouring around the clock cover with the installation of you not so easy
  10. 0
    April 11 2012 12: 37
    Something inspired to recall a bearded joke:
    Yesterday in Afghanistan, an American $ 1 million Tomahawk missile destroyed an ass worth $ 5! The whole world is watching with interest the battle of two superpowers!
  11. +4
    April 11 2012 13: 04
    Commodus Today, 12:37 put you a minus, because the joke is not at all ridiculous, justified: in Israel we also shoot one terrorist with expensive missiles, sort of expensive. Every day I watch NTV, ORT, RTR news like: in Dagestan, when bandit forces were captured, they died so many employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so maybe such a rocket is better than the lives of guys?
    1. Zynaps
      +3
      April 11 2012 22: 34
      if cho - Dudaev is precisely what was missed with a precision missile.

      but here is the thing. somehow I don’t want to have a conflict in Russia as long as 70 years, such as the Arab-Israeli one. therefore we have to fight in every way. you have no mind on both sides there, even among the Jews, traditionally considered smart and cunning, since you haven’t been able to come to terms with the world for so many years.
    2. +1
      April 12 2012 13: 02
      Yeah, come on with such a missile and an apartment building! Figley, you do that in Israel too. You’re not shooting at your own houses or at your own territory.
      Nothing, what if the capture of bandits is made, does this happen in the settlements? And it’s not uncommon, or rather, very often, that our guys die in an attack from ambush, or they checked some apartment, and instead of them they burst into a burst of gunfire point blank. Where will you get such a cool rocket that selectively bangs a thug, doesn’t bring down a house, and doesn’t touch civilians?
    3. +1
      April 12 2012 22: 40
      Unfortunately, you just did not understand the joke ...
  12. +2
    April 11 2012 13: 35
    I don’t even know why Israelis should sleep peacefully.
    We are talking about the box office and 85% interception. It is interesting to know how the system will work on normal cars, if it works.
    1. +2
      April 11 2012 17: 47
      Quote: DEMENTIY
      We are talking about the box office and 85% interception. It is interesting to know how the system will work on normal cars, if it works.

      Jews give a successful answer to the existing threat, why do they need a global missile defense?
      1. -5
        April 11 2012 21: 51
        Because there are threats from several nearby countries - Lebanon, Syria, Iran and, potentially, several more. Accordingly, a powerful missile defense system is needed. At the moment, the Hetz-3 system is being finalized, and the "Magic Wand" system - they will close the multilayer missile defense system
  13. Ghost of darkness
    -2
    April 11 2012 14: 05
    Arabs should switch to launching signal rockets or flippers, it will be cheaper, because so many of these "hails" are allowed into milk, you will look at a zombie box like a hundred a day
    1. 0
      April 11 2012 14: 14
      Cheap answer to Israeli missile defense. A bunch of false goals.
      1. -4
        April 11 2012 14: 37
        Initially, these false goals must have time to run.
  14. KAZAKHSTAN
    -7
    April 11 2012 14: 22
    A weak system, not effective ... that's all their supertechnology is to shoot an expensive guided missile at unguided rockets. Once again, we are convinced of the backwardness and underdevelopment of Western combat systems in practice. Deliver the "PantsirS1" battalion and they are guaranteed to shoot down the shells of terrorists on the approach with volleys of their 30 mm machine guns! That's what I understand IRON DOME!

    ... And to shoot down guided tactical missiles flying in three swoops and even making a maneuver on approach they have no chance at all
    1. +6
      April 11 2012 14: 23
      Deliver the "PantsirS1" battalion and they are guaranteed to shoot down the shells of terrorists on the approach with volleys of their 30 mm machine guns!

      Be so kind as to provide confirmation of your words, especially in the "guaranteed" part.

      ..And to shoot down guided tactical missiles flying in three sweeps and even making a maneuver on approach they have no chance at all

      Of course not. For these purposes, there is another complex.
    2. -3
      April 11 2012 14: 36
      Before the adoption of the system, options were considered for existing systems, including the laser "Nautilus" and several systems that shoot down projectiles with cannons. The problem with Nautilus was that the system was limited in use. With guns - what they are

      a) designed to protect a single target, not a city
      b) splinters and bullets - because they shot down missiles at a distance too close to the locality
  15. KAZAKHSTAN
    -8
    April 11 2012 14: 43
    Two cannons with a 2-second short volley spit out several hundred kilograms of lead, plus radar guidance. A solid, impenetrable stream of water, not lead, is the name.
    1. -2
      April 11 2012 14: 50
      The complex is designed to protect small objects from air attack weapons. LITTLE THREAD. Not a city, not a settlement. And separate buildings.

      Secondly, they knock down missiles and mines close to the target - which is unacceptable in the case of the protection of cities. Imagine where all this lead goes.
      1. -3
        April 11 2012 21: 53
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kb1JxBheFI
    2. +3
      April 11 2012 14: 51
      Two guns 2x a second short volley spit out several hundred kilograms of lead,

      Firstly, is there any experience with the use of MLRS Grad?
      Secondly, where will these "several hundred kilograms of lead" fall? On the heads of the protected?
      1. +2
        April 11 2012 15: 25
        Yes there is a simple object for air defense.
        1. -4
          April 11 2012 21: 53
          A simple object, if you need to protect one house, one car, one ship. In addition, all the above systems knock missiles too close to the target.
  16. +2
    April 11 2012 15: 13
    since the attack on Israel is being discussed here, first of all, hezbahla and Hamas do not have hail complexes themselves, there are hail system rockets, they will launch them from improvised 2-3 rocket launchers, does it make sense to deploy something other than a dome?. Secondly, like hezbola there are other missiles, but at the moment they cannot use them against Israel, since they (Hezbollahs) are part of the Lebanese government, and this is aggression at the state level, and the answer will be appropriate, so it’s still quiet
    1. +2
      April 11 2012 17: 10
      The armament of the group includes more than two hundred MLRS, barreled artillery, unmanned aerial vehicles and anti-ship missiles of Chinese manufacture, as well as various anti-tank missile systems (including Russian RPG-29 and RPG-7V, as well as American-made TOW). According to Hassan Nasrallah in May 2005, Hezbollah has 12 thousand shells of 122, 240 and 330 mm MLRS. There is evidence [20] that militants also have an Iranian-made Zilzal-2 operational missile system (Zelzal-2) with a range of up to 200 km, capable of delivering strikes in central Israel. - from Wikipedia

      In general, do not forget that Israel, based on the size of its territory
      followed the path of creating an integrated four-level missile defense system operating as a single whole against both tactical missiles and ICBMs. Moreover, the task of intercepting the same ICBMs outside its territory is being solved, the system is still "raw" as far as is known, but tests are being carried out both in Israel itself and in the states ... In general, overcoming any missile defense system depends mainly on the number of carriers in a simultaneous strike. Based on the availability of those in the Arabs and Iran and their quality, the missile defense system being created will be close to ideal but will not protect 100% from all potential threats like any other in the world,
    2. -4
      April 11 2012 21: 15
      According to Israeli intelligence, Hezbollah has about 40000 missiles of various types, including rocket launchers for them. In addition to Hezbollah, there is also Iran, Syria, and several lovely countries nearby, in which the regime is about to change.
  17. KAZAKHSTAN
    -2
    April 11 2012 16: 25
    Professor ... There is no need to deploy the armor in the cities ... It is enough to line up at a distance from the settlement, because no matter which side of the Nursi fly, lead will fly in that direction. The distance of the projectile route is 5 km, which means to create " IRON FENCE "At 100 km you need a good 20 cars, plus 12 Guided Missiles on each car and sleep well.
    1. +2
      April 11 2012 16: 48
      As already noted here, a similar system (based on a ship installation) was also tested, but it was considered not effective.
      Phalanx (CIWS) Block 1B LPWS Testing and Firing

      It is enough to line up at a distance from the village, because it is from the same side from which side the nursa fly, and lead will fly to that side

      Yeah, here, at the death of one Palestinian, the UN Security Council gathers, you offer hundreds of kg of lead to their quarters.
      1. 0
        April 11 2012 17: 03
        Professor Today: I have a question like you: local Israelis more often say that (in the north of Israel) we are being fired by Katyushas, ​​I wonder if there are still old Katyusha RS (in common parlance). Since after 2006 I have a lot of remnants from missiles and everything is different inside, what hail? what else?
        1. +1
          April 11 2012 18: 13
          Naturally, only the name is left of the real Katyushas today. Currently, such missiles are doing everything to laziness including the Palestinians themselves. Israel is bombarded with missiles of Arab, Iranian, Chinese and Soviet / Russian production. The same Grad implies a caliber and not necessarily the original.
          It would be interesting to look at the collection of your trophies.
          1. 0
            April 11 2012 18: 18
            professor: write without problems how
            1. 0
              April 11 2012 19: 47
              upload digital photos here http://postimage.org/and post them in the comments.
              1. +2
                April 11 2012 20: 35
                Professor: I didn’t find other fragments. Maybe my wife threw
                1. 0
                  April 11 2012 20: 51
                  It looks like an engine, but from this angle it is not possible to determine the model (unless of course there is no brand left in the USSR bully ).
                  Why didn’t the police sappers take this wealth from you or before you? Or was there so much good that their hands did not reach?
                  1. +2
                    April 11 2012 21: 04
                    came .. I live in the capital of Galilee. it's mountains. they were too lazy to go down.
                2. -1
                  April 11 2012 21: 11
                  maybe so. where is the finger. at the top there is the letter D (Cyrillic) probably Russian
                  1. 0
                    April 11 2012 21: 48
                    It is similar in size to the BM-14, but the wall thickness and the metal are not similar, in addition, the warhead did not work, but fell off - for the BM-14 it would hardly — if it hadn’t exploded — would be together ...
                    1. 0
                      April 11 2012 22: 05
                      .TA so as the letter D is visible, then it is probably BM-14D D-949 smoke 1051 40,28 0,33 + 3,6 (white phosphorus) 10060/1000 1955
                      1. +1
                        April 11 2012 22: 25
                        It is possible, but externally - the walls are a bit thin (on the other hand, it seems to roll over your stone, it seems), the coating on the metal - it didn’t seem to exist, but if it’s smokey, but recent (about 20 years) release dates, then maybe. But why - like incendiary, or what? Or what was that and pulnul?
    2. -6
      April 11 2012 21: 17
      This is a protection system for small targets. What is clearly stated in her description. The professor below cites data that such systems were tested before and were found to be unsatisfactory for these tasks.

      In particular, they shot down missiles too close to the target, and could not cover sufficient perimeter
    3. karlo
      0
      April 11 2012 21: 55
      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      Professor ... There is no need to deploy the armor in the cities ... It is enough to line up at a distance from the settlement, because from which side the Nursi fly, lead will fly in that direction. The distance of the projectile route is 5 km, which means to create " IRON FENCE "At 100 km you need a good 20 cars, plus 12 Guided Missiles on each car and sleep well.

      Maybe of course it is possible, only the problem is that often (due to the smallness of the territory) the advancement of equipment at a distance from cities leads to crossing the border.
  18. rvsn1980
    -1
    April 11 2012 17: 26
    one question gentlemen or comrades, how is it more convenient for you, and does any of you even remember the history of the beginning of the conflict? Nobody canceled Israeli actions in cities and settlements and the so-called intifada like the Lebanese massacre of Catholics by Arabs, it’s a matter of money and not politics, in the missile reach zone, as one clever man said (MLRS), although they are not such a class of weapons by definition, they live 90% of the poor (low-income) Israelis, and as correctly noted, for the most part these are immigrants from other countries.
    1. 0
      April 11 2012 20: 40
      rvsn1980 Lebanese massacre of Catholics by Arabs, Yes it was in 1976
  19. Odinplys
    -6
    April 11 2012 17: 26
    The security of the Zionists only unties their hands .... This is not their land and there is nothing for them to do there ...
    1. -5
      April 11 2012 21: 18
      Before puffing - carefully read the bible. And then the story.
      1. Zynaps
        0
        April 11 2012 22: 41
        Quote: Pimply
        Before puffing - carefully read the bible


        and with what intercession is the Bible a historical document? literary - no doubt. but it must also be borne in mind that the Bible was repeatedly translated from Aramaic (dead language) to Ancient Greek (another dead language), and then to modern languages, and, as usual, with inevitable losses and translation difficulties.

        Quote: Pimply
        And then the story.


        in fact, this point should be taken into account. the lyrics are out of business.
        1. -3
          April 11 2012 22: 52
          actually the Bible is the old covenant is the Torah one in one. And the bible of the new Eveth is the life of Jesus. so what about Aramaic and Greek chill
          1. Zynaps
            0
            April 12 2012 03: 13
            Quote: igor67
            And the Bible of the new Eveth is the life of Jesus. So, what about Aramaic and Greek chill?


            you would have taught your dad. The Bible is written in part in biblical Hebrew and partly in Aramaic. which is characteristic - by Christians it was read in Koin - the ancient Greek language. There was no bazaar about the New Testament - this is not a Jewish book, but the life of Jesus and the apostles. accordingly, it was not created by Jews.

            which, in the end, is not at all important, for any of the bibles is not a historical source.
            1. -1
              April 12 2012 21: 58
              An abstract commentary - about it was not created by Jews - there at that time there was no one but Jews (it was not Russians who were brought there to write the New Testament). I understand that the "Black Hundred" was offended to hear that Jesus was a Jew, but now ...
  20. rvsn1980
    -4
    April 11 2012 17: 42
    This system showed its complete inoperability to the threats for which it was developed (this is for the press), in fact, the system was simply tested in the conditions in which it is possible (max. approx. to combat), namely to those threats that can be the main enemies of Israel, namely Iran.

    so it can be said about the USA and Great Britain and no less about Russia, not your land is not an argument, in the existing world who is stronger than the land, there are no other options, as I personally am not regrettable

    and by the way, for information, an attentive person will notice that this complex was not manufactured in Israel, but has other roots, as you can determine by form that these soldiers are not from 2012.
    1. +1
      April 11 2012 17: 49
      rvsn1980,
      Yes, here you are wrong, this is a robe of an IDF soldier, my daughter is finishing the service, she has one
    2. +1
      April 11 2012 17: 56
      this system has shown its complete inoperability to the threats for which it was developed


      the shape can determine that these soldiers are not from 2012 year.

      Come by, I serve on Saturdays
      1. karlo
        +2
        April 11 2012 22: 00
        Quote: professor
        Come by, I serve on Saturdays

        The professor cannot be served on Saturdays, but this is a retreat. It is always a pleasure to read your comments. drinks
    3. -4
      April 11 2012 21: 22
      Lord, sick man, how are you such a specialist? Well, whose form is this, if not "Bet" Tsakhalevsky? tell me?
  21. KAZAKHSTAN
    -2
    April 11 2012 18: 11
    Professor, minus further if you are not too lazy to do this. I’m an Air Force officer and honestly never served for a rank, for shoulder straps ... all the more virtual))) I don’t like to argue (although truth is sometimes born in a dispute) I’m preparing interesting article, maybe it will be published and then ... waiting for your comments. As they say, I have the honor!
    1. 0
      April 11 2012 18: 20
      I am an officer of the VVKAZAKHSTANETS: interesting techie or pilot ,?
    2. 0
      April 11 2012 18: 46
      Dear KAZAKHSTAN, I do not deal with minus.
      I sincerely respect people in uniform, he was born and raised in the family of an Air Force officer and himself had the chance to wear officer epaulets, though not at all for a long time (he decided to leave for science).
      I look forward to the article.
    3. Zynaps
      -4
      April 11 2012 22: 45
      yeah ... the "Jewish lobby" is simply beside itself - so fiercely minus for the slightest reason. straight Jewish anecdote from local life.
      1. -2
        April 11 2012 22: 54
        how not to minus you if you blaspheme on the eve of Easter. (joke)
        1. Zynaps
          +1
          April 12 2012 03: 15
          in your Israeli air force are all so childishly touchy? then it’s clear why for 60 years with a lighter they’re not able to come to an agreement with the world. (not a joke)
  22. KAZAKHSTAN
    0
    April 11 2012 18: 40
    Igor- Technician REO MiG 29 Krasnodar Military Aviation Institute graduation 2002
    1. 0
      April 11 2012 19: 43
      KAZAKHSTANETS IS began with the dismantling of REO mi6 mi24.pot then the assembly of the engine NK12.pot then repair of control units. Turntables
  23. Railways
    -3
    April 11 2012 19: 22
    All this is strange of course, it is interesting how the system can handle the salvo, that is, there will be 40 shells in the air on the way to the target. And single goals are nothing

    http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vvs/mk_bobr.html
    Our way has long been practicing shooting at such targets.
    1. +1
      April 11 2012 21: 54
      I apologize for the unqualified opinion, but if there is a full volley of the Grad even from one vehicle, then Israel will perceive this as a full-scale attack with an appropriate reaction - no one will shoot down anything, but they will shoot both in the launch area and in general ... "I think so. "
      1. -2
        April 11 2012 22: 08
        QUESTION TO POLICIES.
  24. KAZAKHSTAN
    +2
    April 12 2012 08: 06
    Igor- on MI 6 had to work .. in TECHi))) however, the hippo
  25. +1
    9 July 2012 16: 52
    No air defense system even theoretically provides 100% protection against the means of attack against which it was created. But what the Israelis achieved in the Iron Dome deserves all respect, since it is not possible for every system to be able to detect such small targets as Katyusha shells, to have time to place them on escort and shoot down. Moreover, the Iron Dome system in terms of "efficiency / cost" is much superior to such monsters as the Patriots and С300 / С400. What to say? Well done Israeli specialists. There is someone to learn from

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