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The mystery of the death of Ivan Goremykin

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“The main real force of the state, whatever its form, is a developed and strengthened self-reliance personality; only the habit of self-government can develop the ability of people to develop themselves; the development of bureaucracy and government care creates only impersonal and disjointed crowds, human dust. ” It is hard to believe that these lines were written by a man who, during the distribution of roles in the tragedy “Russian Revolution,” fell marazmatiruyuschego, surviving from the mind of the decrepitude of the bureaucrat, to all indifferent grandee, with the appearance, as one famous memoirist, “bream ice cream”.


The mystery of the death of Ivan Goremykin


Ivan Logginovich Goremykin (1839 – 1917), without any doubt, was not at all a cartoonist character. The most experienced lawyer, administrator, expert on the “peasant question”, he, at the end of his long career, rose to the highest level of civil service in the Russian Empire: senator, member of the State Council, Secretary of State, Minister of the Interior (1895 – 1899), twice Chairman of the Council of Ministers - in April - July 1906 of the year and from January 1914-th to January 1916-th. In sending Goremykin to resign from the post of prime minister in 1916, Nicholas II granted Ivan Logginovich the rank of a real class I Privilege Counselor, equal to the military rank of Field Marshal. Over the entire existence of class positions in Russia, this was only the 13-e award of such a high distinction.
We will leave behind the line of our narrative an assessment of Goremykin's state activity in his high posts, confining himself to the remark that the majority of our historians have this very low estimate. The focus of our attention will be the short period of life of the ex-premier, which followed the fall of the empire. Survive the tragic year for Russia 1917, our elderly hero was not destined.

The last year of existence of the monarchy, from January 1916-th to February 1917-th, Goremykin, remaining a senator and a member of the State Council, lived, it seems, comfortably. The collapse of the empire made him, Andreev's gentleman and a valid privy councilor, a pathetic prisoner. Among other high ranks of the collapsed regime, Ivan Logginovich, apparently completely demoralized and in a state of deep shock, was taken straight from home to the “ministerial pavilion” of the Tauride Palace, where the Duma was sitting.

A contemporary writes: “... the old bureaucrat has made itself felt in him and in this difficult moment. He came to the State Duma with a pen in his hand; they found him at home writing something at the table, so with a pen, without a cap, in a soldier's overcoat he arrived in a truck in the citadel of the Russian revolution. ” To this picture I would like to make two comments. First, what does “arrived” mean? The old man was arrested, not allowed to get dressed (and cold in Petrograd!), Thrown into a truck and brought to the Duma, clearly against his will. Secondly, the people were still not furious until the end, they gave grandfather an overcoat, and what was under the overcoat? Pajamas?

4 (17) March 1917, the Provisional Government created the “Emergency Investigation Commission to investigate the illegal actions of the former ministers, chief commanders and other senior officials of both civil and military and maritime”. This organization was headed by experienced lawyer Nikolai Muravyov (1870 – 1936), who received the status of a friend (that is, deputy) of the Minister of Justice, who was then Alexander Kerensky.

The masonic democrats who had broken through to power wanted to know: why, in fact, did they overthrow the emperor and put him under arrest of his ministers? In hindsight, it was necessary to find the reasons for the coup. Just say, they did not dig anything. Yes, and you can not say that somehow particularly zealous. Kerensky directly recognized that the facts of espionage of the highest ranks and the empress personally in favor of Germany, failed to find any glaring examples of corruption in the imperial governments of recent years. Even, it would seem, such a “fertile” topic — Rasputinism — didn’t give anything tangible either.



Old Goremykin investigators interested little. It seems that he was interrogated only once - 15 May 1917 of the year. At the same time, Muravyov, who conducted the interrogation of the ex-prime minister, apparently did not understand very well himself that it was possible to impute the blame to that. When Nikolai Konstantinovich, fascinated, suddenly began to read the moral of the old man, Ivan Logginovich, not without malice, asked: “Excuse me generously, is it an interrogation or a lecture?”.

However, most of his answers to the questions of Muravyov look like this: “I find it difficult to answer all these questions, because now I absolutely cannot understand anything and cannot remember.” Or this: “I cannot answer you in all these circumstances, because the memory does not serve me now. So I can't say anything. ” And even simpler: “I don’t remember anything.” This tactic has justified itself. I have no doubt that in some places the former prime minister of the empire was simply cunning and acting: do you want marasmatics? - I'll play you marazmatik. And they let him go.

Goremykin with his wife and eldest daughter went south to Sochi. In the Caucasus, it was warm, calm and comfortable. At first, the family settled on the right bank of the Vereshchaginka river - there was a summer house “Eyrene” (“Mir” in Greek). The trouble came at night on October 22. It was hard to say that some horse bandits, maybe local Bolsheviks, broke into the dacha and waved some kind of paper — allegedly an order from Petrograd — about a search of the former prime minister. They took everything of value, along the way they robbed the owner of the dacha village ... and disappeared into the darkness. By the way, the phone in the country did not work in the morning, which is remarkable. Catch, of course, nobody managed. Yes, and who was catching?

Goremykiny moved to another cottage - in Katkov-Leontievsky tract. There at night 11 (24) of December, according to other data, still 8 of December, they were killed. Ivan Logginovich and Alexandra Ivanovna, his spouse, were strangled. The daughter, also Alexandra Ivanovna, received a bullet wound in the head and soon died in the hospital, her husband, the son-in-law of the former prime minister, lieutenant-general (or colonel?) Ivan Ovchinnikov fought down a bullet in the temple.

The rector of the St. Nicholas Cathedral, the father of the Goremykins, was the father of Yevgeny Ivanovsky (1879 – 1926). During the funeral service, many parishioners lit candles and burned crosses on the doors with their fire ... Alas, there is no longer a temple (a brewery was built in its place), and the Goremykin burial grounds are not preserved.



The Bolsheviks took power in Sochi in January 1918. Now they needed to prove that the brutal murder of the family of the Russian ex-prime minister is not a political reprisal, that this is pure crime. To get to the bottom of the truth in this matter is very difficult. Probably already impossible. There are two options to choose from.

The first. The Bolsheviks went on the trail of an inveterate felon named Moiseenko. During a search, a gold ring with a diamond belonging to the younger Alexander Ivanovna was found in his house. Moiseenko himself then fled, although he was later tracked down and shot during his arrest. It turned out that the Goremykin murder was the work of a gang of a certain Lorchenko, which was ended in September of 1922.

Second. He set out in the book of emigrant Nikolai Voronovich, "Between two fires." Allegedly, the maid of the Goremykin family recognized on the city market the killers of their masters, who sold the stolen goods. The maid made a fuss, and the mob staged a mob and tore at the bandits.
In general, these versions do not exclude one another. It is unlikely that the leaders of the gang, the same Lorchenko and Moiseenko, “glowed” on the market. It is clear that they also took “sixes” for the “wet case” ...
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 30 December 2017 06: 23 New
    +4
    “The main real power of the state, whatever its form, is a personality developed and strengthened towards independence; only the habit of self-government can develop the ability for self-organization in the people, the development of the bureaucracy and government guardianship creates only impersonal and incoherent crowds, human dust ”


    True ... absolutely true ... hope for help killed a lot of people. Sitting and waiting for a good uncle to help you have nowhere worse ... bring water, repair the ceiling, cook dinner and put everything in his mouth ...
    there is such a category of people who always complains about everything to the state and they don’t hit finger by finger to do something themselves.

    And the Caucasus, where the Goremykin was killed, remains a dangerous place for the Russian-speaking population to this day ...
    in the 90s, the state renounced the Russians and there was a massacre and genocide.
    The habit of trusting in a fair state as a defender cost the people dearly ... there was no one to protect Russian women and children.
    Therefore, in this regard, I have no illusions ... you want to live and survive, be able to rely on your own strengths and yourself and not on the state.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 30 December 2017 07: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And the Caucasus, where the Goremykin was killed, remains a dangerous place for the Russian-speaking population to this day ...

      Take an interest in the hostage massacre in Pyatigorsk 1918, when Russian generals were chopped with a dumb saber and they lined up for someone with a sharp saber: so as not to suffer
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      in the 90s, the state renounced the Russians and there was a massacre and genocide.

      Take an interest in the genocide of the Tver Cossacks 1918-1922: the Chechen auls of Samashka, Assinovskaya, etc., were Cossack villages, as well as the villages for which in our time were arguing .... Ingush and Ossetians ...
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 30 December 2017 15: 51 New
        +2
        Olgovich, you are right: there were such events. After fephralus 1917 a lot of things happened
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 30 December 2017 15: 48 New
      0
      Lekha, for the umpteenth time I agree with you: in the nineties the “Communists” altogether changed clothes and they didn’t care at all about the Russians. Although most of the leaders at that time had last names were Russian, but the souls of Judah. At that time, 98% of communists - leaders at least somehow, but played in democracy.
      And the Caucasus is traditionally not a calm region. And therefore, we NEED the law on "arms trafficking," in the central provinces there is more order or a semblance of order, and we ...
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 30 December 2017 07: 56 New
    +8
    The Bolsheviks took power in Sochi in January 1918. Now they needed to prove that the brutal murder of the family of the Russian ex-prime minister is not political reprisal, that this is pure criminality.
    ...those. the author leads to the version that Goremykin was killed by the Bolsheviks, who were not in power at that time .. And the "temporary" white and fluffy .. The king and the authorities voluntarily gave them up ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 December 2017 08: 20 New
      +7
      Of course, criminality! What was the danger of this particular ex-prime minister? And what a good man he was! Well, who, besides the Bolsheviks, who were not there?
      In general, the most blatant paragraph is that they would not have taken power, and would not have had to prove !!!!!!. Nonsense and throwing sewage.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 30 December 2017 12: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Of course, criminality! What was the danger of this particular ex-prime minister? And what a good man he was! Well, who, besides the Bolsheviks, who were not there?

        In Pyatigorsk, who organized the massacre of hostages, Russian generals and officers? Criminals?
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 30 December 2017 14: 30 New
          0
          call in 14 g in the Arkhangelsk province-- "up to 57% are literate and the younger, the more literate"
          live with such yourself.
          30 years before the revolution, teach ALL to read and write (so that they don’t take a word and could double-check) and give the earth there will be no revolution. greed ruined.
          asshole!
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 30 December 2017 16: 26 New
          +2
          Just do not focus on the word-Russians. In the case of civil wars, it is inappropriate to focus on nationality, because the very concept of-civil war explains everything. And secondly, the Red Terror was just an answer to the White Terror.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 30 December 2017 22: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Seeker
            Just do not focus on the word Russian. In the case of civil wars, it is inappropriate to focus on nationality, because the very concept of a civil war explains everything ..

            It is necessary. The killed hostages were Russian generals and officers. They were killed by people without a tribe, for they killed not foreign invaders, but their fellow citizens.
            Quote: Seeker
            Red terror was just an answer to white terror.

            BEFORE the Bolsheviks, there was neither white terror, nor red, nor civilian massacre. EVERYTHING after their coup.
        3. co-creator
          co-creator 30 December 2017 18: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          arranged Russian generals and officers?

          straight-so Russian nationality?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 30 December 2017 22: 28 New
            +1
            Quotation: blooded man
            straight-so Russian nationality?

            Until the 17th year, it was customary to say so.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 31 December 2017 00: 35 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              Until the 17th year, it was customary to say so.

              So they were killed not on a national basis, but on a political basis. Just like these Russian officers killed the Bolsheviks
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 31 December 2017 10: 51 New
                +2
                Quotation: blooded man
                So they were killed not by ethnicity, but by political

                So what? Was murder a murder?
                Quotation: blooded man
                Just like these Russian officers killed the Bolsheviks

                If today they are piled up with POWER, they will seize power — Russian officers will do the same — destroy the invaders and save the legitimate authority. Everything is logical.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 31 December 2017 15: 34 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  So what? Was murder a murder?

                  This is called a civil war and there the whites killed the reds and vice versa. Why do you not consider the murder of the White Bolsheviks for the murders.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  If today they are piled up with POWER, they will seize power — Russian officers will do the same — destroy the invaders and save the legitimate authority. Everything is logical.

                  Since when did the seizure of power by the "Februaryists" become legal? Some overthrew the king illegally, others overthrew those who overthrew the king.
                  Russian officers fought on both sides and on the side of the Bolsheviks they fought no less than for the whites.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 1 January 2018 10: 14 New
                    +2
                    Quotation: blooded man
                    This is called a civil war and there the whites killed the reds and vice versa. Why do you not consider the murder of the White Bolsheviks for the murders.

                    Russian hostage generals in Pyatigorsk didn’t fight with anyone, except with the invaders in the Second World War. They were stabbed to death. By order of the so-called “authorities.” And are killers not criminals? belay
                    Quotation: blooded man
                    Since when did the seizure of power by the "Februaryists" become legal? Some overthrew the king illegally, others overthrew those who overthrew the king.

                    Who defined "illegality"? The Bolsheviks? They NEVER wrote about this, on the contrary, WELCOME!
                    Emperors Nicholas and Michael, recognized, called to obey the EP. Nikolai instructed Prince Lvov to form a Government, and he became its Chairman.
                    The councils recognized and even created the VP.
                    Army, state apparatus-ALL recognized.
                    The whole world is recognized.
                    Only you did not recognize ... request
                    Quotation: blooded man
                    Russian officers fought on both sides and on the side of the Bolsheviks they fought no less than for the whites.

                    Much smaller, their families, moreover, were held hostage. Who takes hostages, you know?
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 1 January 2018 10: 44 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      They were stabbed to death. By order of the so-called “authorities.” And are killers not criminals?

                      Is there evidence, or as always "do you believe me, do you believe me ..."?
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Who defined "illegality"? The Bolsheviks? They NEVER wrote about this, on the contrary, WELCOME!

                      So what? Your forerunners completed the task, the demolition of power, and then engaged in chatter until they were demolished for complete inability and uselessness, gathered the country again, you see from this, here, come out with poison?
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Emperors Nicholas and Michael, recognized, called to obey the EP. Nikolai instructed Prince Lvov to form a Government, and he became its Chairman.
                      The councils recognized and even created the VP.
                      Army, state apparatus-ALL recognized.
                      The whole world is recognized.
                      Only you - not recognized

                      Loudly, but stupidly. Recognizing your Masters who plan to make money at the expense of Russia is not worth a damn. Exactly the same is the recognition of the "legitimacy" of Belovezhie and Yeltsin’s coup for the sake of compradors and the West. Here it is the essence of all your fuss here.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Much smaller, their families, moreover, were held hostage. Who takes hostages, you know?

                      Yeah, right?
                      And how does the FSB respond to this? And it answers so that from your accomplices in lies, poison and scream so echoes that you wonder how they revealed themselves together with you, as ardent haters of Russia.
                      Get it.
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rV7MoGAnP8
                      and sign.
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4zos5pOUMA
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 2 January 2018 10: 44 New
                        +1
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Is there evidence, or as always "do you believe me, do you believe me ..."?

                        There is no educational program, dear man. LEARN and -BRING.
                        Quote: badens1111
                        So what? Your forerunners completed the task, the demolition of power, and then engaged in chatter until they were demolished for complete inability and uselessness, gathered the country again, you see from this, here, come out with poison?

                        Are you against the Leaders? !belay Do not know the Bible he created (for you) (The short course of the CPSU), the basis of the foundations of Marxist "history" ?!
                        Shame on you! am
                        Knot on: "The revolution was made by the PROLETARIAT "
                        They led the struggle in the Bolshevik streets. " yes
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Loudly, but stupidly. Recognizing your Masters who plan to make money at the expense of Russia is not worth a damn. Exactly the same is the recognition of the "legitimacy" of Belovezhie and Yeltsin’s coup for the sake of compradors and the West. Here it is the essence of all your fuss here.

                        Once again for the tanker: it is in RUSSIA- ALL recognized.
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Yeah, right?
                        And how does the FSB respond to this ?.

                        You do not.
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 2 January 2018 11: 01 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        There is no educational program, dear man. LEARN and -BRING.

                        Loudly, inappropriately.
                        You are always and everywhere poked with a nose into your lies, and you ... not, learning is not your strongest trait, rather absolute ignorance in this topic, your main feature and task is to bring this illiteracy into the minds.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Hack a knot on: "The revolution was made by the PROLETARIAT"

                        Poke a little hammer on your head for a little time, so that you finally understand that FEVP / RAL, much earlier than OCTOBER?
                        And October, the reaction to the collapse of the country due to the fact that your complete inability led to the disaster of Russia? Keep quiet, Mr. accomplice of the interventionists, Nazis and other Russophobic trash.
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Once again for the tanker

                        Hmm ... hallucinations started .. Have you drunk on New Year? To the doctor, urgently.
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 3 January 2018 13: 05 New
                        +3
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Loudly, inappropriately.
                        You are always and everywhere poked with a nose into your lies, and you ... not, learning is not your strongest trait, rather absolute ignorance in this topic, your main feature and task is to bring this illiteracy into the minds.

                        Again you have a MAGIC in response to the facts. Not tired? request
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Poke a little hammer on your head for a little time, so that you finally understand that FEVP / RAL, much earlier than OCTOBER?

                        You are our unreading one: the Psalm I quoted from the Bible (Short Course in St. Petersburg) is about the FEBRUARY revolution. Learn at last! am
                        Quote: badens1111
                        And October, the reaction to the collapse of the country due to the fact that your complete inability led to the disaster of Russia? Keep quiet, Mr. accomplice of the interventionists, Nazis and other Russophobic trash.

                        The collapse, that is, ALL declarations of independence - were AFTER October is FACTS, comrade Russophobe-descendant of Zhilenkov-Yezhov
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Hmm ... hallucinations started .. Have you drunk on New Year? To the doctor, urgently.

                        I’m not sending you to the doctor. for even Lambroso, apparently, is already powerless.
                        But you hold on there! (WITH)hi lol
        4. badens1111
          badens1111 1 January 2018 10: 50 New
          0
          First. The Bolsheviks went on the trail of an inveterate felon named Moiseenko. During a search in his house they found a golden ring with a diamond, owned by the youngest Alexandra Ivanovna. Moiseenko himself then escaped, although then he was tracked down and shot during his arrest. It turned out that the murder of the Goremykin was the work of a gang of a certain Lorchenko, who was killed in September 1922.
          WHAT IS NOT CLEAR Russophobia anti-Soviet?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 2 January 2018 11: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: badens1111
            The first. The Bolsheviks went on the trail of an inveterate felon named Moiseenko. During a search, a gold ring with a diamond belonging to the younger Alexander Ivanovna was found in his house. Moiseenko himself then fled, although he was later tracked down and shot during his arrest. It turned out that the Goremykin murder was the work of a gang of a certain Lorchenko, which was ended in September of 1922.
            WHAT IS NOT CLEAR Russophobia anti-Soviet?


            My comment was about Pyatigorsk.
            Re-celebrate? lol
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 30 December 2017 16: 17 New
        0
        Dima, I would say the paragraph was not formulated very cleverly, but you will come to the Bolsheviks in vain. The author and the hint do not have them
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 30 December 2017 17: 45 New
          +4
          Glory, read: "The Bolsheviks took power in Sochi in January 1918 .. Now they needed to prove that the brutal murder ......" So how about the Bolsheviks in affftyrya? Why on earth should they prove NOW if the murder was in December? Is it not enough that all over Russia was before they came to power, and they prove that they are not a camel?
          And this distortion of facts is very characteristic of all white-handlers and crystal bakers, not only not very smart, but very vilely lied and drawn out.
          Quote: Monarchist
          Dima, I would say the paragraph was not formulated very cleverly, but you will come to the Bolsheviks in vain. The author and the hint do not have them
  3. Monarchist
    Monarchist 30 December 2017 16: 11 New
    +1
    "In the city market, she identified the killers of her owners," in my opinion, Voronovich’s version was pulled "by the ears": it is asked how the maid wasn’t killed or did she "stumble" like your cockroach?
    Most likely it was this: the former Goremykin, maid, Glasha, or something like that, soon after the murder went to the market and accidentally identified the brooches or earrings of the hostess.
    It is curious that the Bolsheviks WANTED to deal with the crime that happened before them "it was before us, which means that we have a smooth bribe"
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 1 January 2018 10: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Monarchist
      It is curious that the Bolsheviks WANTED to deal with the crime that happened before them "it was before us, which means that we have a smooth bribe"

      That is the TRUTH
      The first. The Bolsheviks went on the trail of an inveterate felon named Moiseenko. During a search in his house they found a golden ring with a diamond, owned by the youngest Alexandra Ivanovna. Moiseenko himself then escaped, although then he was tracked down and shot during his arrest. It turned out that the murder of the Goremykin was the work of a gang of a certain Lorchenko, who was killed in September 1922.
      And everything else, including the "memories" of the emigrants, rumors, gossip, scum verbal.
      So the olgovichs are different, in their repertoire, the affairs of the inveterate criminals, adding up to nothing, ascribes to the Bolsheviks, who of these criminal criminals mercilessly punished .. however, olgovich is nonsense.
  4. Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 4 January 2018 15: 32 New
    0
    Quote from the article:
    Surviving the tragic year of 1917 for Russia the elderly the hero was not destined.

    It is hard for an old person during a break. Difficult to change landmarks, hard to find your place in the new course of events. They will not be allowed to calmly live out their term during a change of power, when the crime grows wild. For all the burden as well thieves easy prey. 78 years old is now a very respectable age, and in those days an old man in general.
  5. your1970
    your1970 30 March 2018 10: 52 New
    0
    Olgovich,
    "The collapse, that is, ALL declarations of independence - WERE AFTER October are FACTS, Comrade Russophobe-descendant of Zhilenkov-Yezhov" -decay naturally occurred AFTER October - but NOT due to October. By October, everything had already spread - like a rotten rag. And the Bolsheviks could not in any way keep the regions physically-they were too weak for that ... they were forced to let everyone go ..
    It happened exactly the same way in 1991 - when the republics ran. Yeltsin’s phrase, take it as much as you want, try to make a good face in a bad game - there were no forces to keep the republic ..
    it happened exactly the same in Ukraine in 2014 - they took power, but there are no forces to hold onto the regions. That is why LDNR and Crimea, and it is surprising that no one else fell off ..

    And in 1918, and in 1991, and in 2014 in the backward regions it was sadly for the adherents of the old regime - this is the question of generals