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Turkish intelligence services suspect Patriarch of Constantinople about relations with the CIA

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Greek media reported that the Turkish secret services have expressed suspicions against the patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew. It is alleged that Bartholomew has contacts with the so-called "Gulenists" - those who support the Islamic preacher Fethullah Gulen. Ankara considers Gulen to be the organizer of the coup attempt in the country in 2016.


In addition, the Turkish secret services say they are suspicious of the Christian high priest of Turkey in connection with the Central Intelligence Agency.

In the Greek media it is noted that everything began with the publication in the Turkish newspaper "Aydinlyk", where it was stated that the CIA officers who knew about the upcoming coup d'etat, warned Bartholomew. Literally three hours before the beginning of the bloody drama in Turkey, the Patriarch of Constantinople left Istanbul, going to Slovakia.

Turkish intelligence services suspect Patriarch of Constantinople about relations with the CIA


In Greece, accusations against Bartholomew are called directed attacks, noting that the Christian flock of Turkey suffers from this. It was added that now the fate of the patriarch depends on "the mood of the Erdogan regime, which can not stop either in front of the clergy or in front of thousands of Christian believers." At the same time, Erdogan’s own policy is called “an attempt to revive Ottomanism”.
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  1. Going
    Going 29 December 2017 17: 59
    +9
    Erdogan, who can not stop before the dignity, or in front of thousands of Christian believers. " Moreover, Erdogan’s policy itself is called "an attempt to revive Ottomanism."


    I don’t think he’s gambling and groovy, but not crazy.
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 29 December 2017 18: 01
      +1
      The patriarch communicates with a huge number of people. With official and not. Erdogan solves his internal problems, as does Trump. To do this, you can blame anyone for anything.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 29 December 2017 18: 08
        +5
        It’s not worth the sultan to go to the Orthodox priests .. Obliged to give the patronage of the Orthodox, please! But to fire them, I’ll fire them ..
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The patriarch communicates with a huge number of people. With official and not. Erdogan solves his internal problems, as does Trump. To do this, you can blame anyone for anything.
      2. The brightest
        The brightest 30 December 2017 12: 30
        +1
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The patriarch communicates with a huge number of people. With official and not. Erdogan solves his internal problems, as does Trump. To do this, you can blame anyone for anything.

        Actually, no, this is the case when the Ethic is not lying. The United States wanted to make a structure for it, like Catholic tobish — to make ersatz an Orthodox pope, but it didn’t fit.
      3. iouris
        iouris 30 December 2017 14: 02
        0
        You just do not know. Patriarch - former officer, Turkish. The reason for the publication of a well-known fact is the deterioration of Erdogan’s relations with the US administration after an attempt to overthrow him. It is known that after the war, Stalin wanted to transfer the center of Orthodoxy from Istanbul to Moscow, but the CIA prevented this attempt.
    2. garnik
      garnik 29 December 2017 18: 06
      +5
      [quoteI don’t think he’s gambling and groovy, but not crazy.] [/ quote]
      And what is the first time in the history of Turkey? This happened and is happening now in Syria by Turkish mercenaries.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 29 December 2017 22: 16
        +2
        You argue that the Sultan himself introduced the Patriarch to the CIA and others, and then for no reason makes a claim. At a minimum, the Patriarch is no longer up to Ukrainian autocephaly, I hope. hi
    3. Monos
      Monos 29 December 2017 18: 06
      +7
      It is unlikely that the Turkish authorities will want to receive an Orthodox martyr in the person of the Patriarch. I do not know why Erdogan had a grudge against Bartholomew, but discredit is a harbinger of possible persecution.
      1. Going
        Going 29 December 2017 18: 21
        +5
        Rather, his guardsmen are trying.
      2. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2017 18: 42
        +4
        Quote: Monos
        I do not know why Erdogan had a grudge against Bartholomew, but discredit is a harbinger of possible persecution.

        Here, you need to understand very well. Greeks and Turks do not live very well.
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 29 December 2017 19: 10
          16
          Quote: svp67
          Greeks and Turks do not live very well.

          Greeks with Turks are like Poles with Russians, but Bartholomew has to Greece only as a fellow countryman. The Ecumenical Patriarchate has no parishes in Greece (there is the Greek Orthodox Church) except Mount Athos. Bartholomew has the most parishes in the USA, there are in Europe, South America, they penetrated heavily into Estonia in the 1990s because of their greed, but they did not dare to Ukraine at this time. The fact that Bartholomew had connections with the CIA, was said back in the 90s, this is an open secret. Bartholomew is Judas. Apparently, it became profitable for the Turks to recall this now, when their relationship with the mattresses became tense and the crushers were able to carry out their development or money through Phanar (the name of the residence of the Ecumenical Patriarch).
          1. svp67
            svp67 29 December 2017 19: 14
            +6
            Quote: Galleon
            The fact that Bartholomew had connections with the CIA, was said back in the 90s, this is an open secret. Bartholomew is Judas

            Well then, NOT SORRY ...
            1. Galleon
              Galleon 29 December 2017 20: 13
              +8
              Not so long ago, he tried to redraw the whole of Eastern Christianity, convening the "8th Ecumenical Council." The agenda - on the establishment of the supremacy of the Ecumenical Patriarch over the rest of the Orthodox churches - is similar to the Pope. The goal - the destruction of the principle of collegiality - agreement between equals - in favor of unity of command. Well, money, of course. And under one-man management then (sometime later) it is easier to carry out marriages of perverts (and the blue topic is everywhere, unfortunately) and the female priesthood ... The Serbs refused to go right away, followed by the Greeks from Greece, then we. In general, the event fell through. The current status quo between churches keeps Bartholomew in check. The Ukrainian schismatic Filaret asked him for recognition - but was refused: to quarrel with Russians is more expensive.
              Happy all! Leaving a week without internet fellow Health, happiness to everyone - with whom he agreed, with whom he cursed. "A native country would live, and there are no other worries." See you in the New Year! I’ll drink for everyone in the new year. drinks
              1. Monos
                Monos 29 December 2017 21: 27
                +5
                Quote: Galleon
                "A native country would live, and there are no other worries."

                Happy New Year, Christmas, Circumcision and Baptism, Andrew! drinks drinks smile Have a nice weekend and peace.
          2. Going
            Going 29 December 2017 19: 55
            +4
            hi I do not defend Bartholomew, but the Vatican washes much more money and Bartholomew does not go into politics.
          3. Vita vko
            Vita vko 29 December 2017 20: 02
            0
            In connection with the church leadership with such organizations as the CIA and the KGB, perhaps the FSB is not surprising. For example, in the early 70's, my mother decided to baptize, secretly from my father, a party worker. So after 5 minutes the secretary of the party committee called him and announced a reprimand, they almost expelled him from the party.
      3. PalBor
        PalBor 29 December 2017 20: 37
        +4
        Quote: Monos
        It is unlikely that the Turkish authorities will want to receive an Orthodox martyr in the person of the Patriarch. I do not know why Erdogan had a grudge against Bartholomew, but discredit is a harbinger of possible persecution.

        Yes, maybe from our submission. Entot Bartholomew held a joint service with the Pope, which violated all the canons of Orthodoxy; he is Bartholomew's sculpted friend of the Ukrainian sectarian Filaret. He supports him in an effort to subjugate all Ukrainian Orthodoxy and so far only the disagreement of the other patriarchs does not allow them to unfold. So you, comrades, take it easy this grandfather cunningly ... smart defend. request
        1. Monos
          Monos 29 December 2017 21: 32
          +4
          Quote: PalBor
          .On the same Bartholomew sculpted friend

          Yes, no one is protecting him. These facts are known. But he, if not cool, the Patriarch of one of the Orthodox churches. The prodigal, but the sheep, our brother in Christ.
          1. PalBor
            PalBor 29 December 2017 22: 48
            +3
            Quote: Monos
            Quote: PalBor
            .On the same Bartholomew sculpted friend

            Yes, no one is protecting him. These facts are known. But he, if not cool, the Patriarch of one of the Orthodox churches. The prodigal, but the sheep, our brother in Christ.

            That’s just the point, the prodigal sheep will hit the tooth first wolf.
      4. rc56
        rc56 29 December 2017 22: 16
        +1
        It is unlikely that the Turkish authorities will want to receive an Orthodox martyr in the person of the Patriarch


        What kind of "martyr" is there ... We read:

        Patriarch Bartholomew I Πατριάρχης Βαρθολομαῖος, Δημήτριος Αρχοντώνης, Dimítrios Archontónis, Arhondonis, Dimitrios Archondonis (1940) - a well-known activist of the Ecumenical movement, the name of the Orthodox religionist, the modernist Orthodox religionist
      5. The brightest
        The brightest 30 December 2017 12: 35
        0
        Quote: Monos
        harbinger of possible persecution.

        What persecution, look, everyone has long been kicked out, and the parishes of this priest in the USA and a bit in Europe ...
    4. Partyzan
      Partyzan 29 December 2017 18: 06
      +8
      Quote: Going
      I don’t think he’s gambling and groovy, but not crazy.

      well this is a tradition - the shoulder straps of the KGB or the CIA - this is the norm, but still it is better than homosexuals and tolerasts hi
      1. tank66
        tank66 29 December 2017 18: 13
        +2
        Fell them all - in the sky sorted out ...
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 29 December 2017 18: 21
          +5
          Quote: tank66
          Fell them all - in the sky sorted out ...

          Judgment is a meeting with God. After this meeting, separation occurs - either in one direction or in the other. “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned ”(Mark 16:16).
          so they seem to have indulgence
          1. EwgenyZ
            EwgenyZ 30 December 2017 11: 42
            +1
            Quote: Partyzan
            so they seem to have indulgence

            Do not fool people with their heads, there is not any indulgence:
            “Hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied well of you, saying; These people draw near to me with their lips and honor me with their tongue, but their heart is far from me; but they vainly worship Me, teaching the doctrines of the commandments of men. " (Mt 15: 7,8,9)

            In Orthodoxy there is no concept of the infallibility of the leader of the Church, as among Catholics. By default, everything from the layman to the patriarch is sinners, and in this world we beg for our sins from God.
            “The church is not a meeting of saints, but a crowd of repenting sinners” (Rev. Ephraim the Syrian)
      2. Going
        Going 29 December 2017 18: 20
        +4
        Welcome hi oh well KGB, CIA if only to confess no more. lol
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 29 December 2017 18: 24
          +4
          Quote: Going
          okay KGB, CIA if only

          yes figs with him for what, but not a lesbian bishop
    5. svp67
      svp67 29 December 2017 18: 40
      +4
      Quote: Going
      I don’t think he’s gambling and groovy, but not crazy.

      Sometimes I don’t think so ....
      1. Going
        Going 29 December 2017 18: 42
        +4
        It happens, but then gets better. lol
        1. svp67
          svp67 29 December 2017 18: 59
          +5
          Quote: Going
          It happens, but then gets better.

          But at some point he may not be “corrected," but let me remind you that we are in Turkey in the Debt and NPPs, and "Streams, and" anti-aircraft guns. "We are selling something that predicts? We can’t get the Debt from Ukraine. ...
          1. Going
            Going 29 December 2017 19: 52
            +4
            It is possible that such a moment may come, so his ear is sharp.
    6. Chertt
      Chertt 29 December 2017 19: 43
      +4
      Russia also has questions for this Patriarch. Let me remind you, the Eighth “Holy and Great Cathedral,” on Crete in 2014, was guarded by the ACG with the aircraft carrier “Harry Truman”. This cathedral, called by the believers "Wolf" was unprecedented anti Russian
      1. dSK
        dSK 30 December 2017 02: 02
        +2
        Hello Alexey!
        Quote: Chertt
        in Crete
        The official opening of the Cathedral took place on June 20 2016 years on the Greek island of Crete. In the last weeks before its opening, four out of 14 universally recognized autocephalous Churches refused to participate in it: Antioch, Georgian, Bulgarian, Russian. The cathedral caused serious opposition on Mount Athos. More than 50 Keliot monks in an open letter to the Holy Kinot and the abbess of Mount Athos called the cathedral “anti-Orthodox”, calling for an end to the commemoration of Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople. The authors of the appeal brought 12 arguments. Among them, it was noted that the Council followed “new approaches on topics and in practice,” and did not begin to collect all the bishops. The Cathedral, according to the authors of the document, legitimizes officially and at the highest level. the heresy of ecumenism, and other heresies, "finally achieved their goal - recognition of sects by churches", that is, "the papacy, like other heretics, is recognized by the churches."
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 30 December 2017 06: 04
          +2
          Hello hi It's nice to see that you are interested in church life. And it is very annoying that the madness of the world political confrontation got there too. By the way, this also applies to our Ukrainian "non-brothers." Although there is not politics, but rather a zoo .... yes, since 2016, of course, a typo, thanks
          1. EwgenyZ
            EwgenyZ 30 December 2017 12: 00
            +1
            Quote: Chertt
            By the way, this also applies to our Ukrainian "non-brothers"

            Not long remained our "dissenting brothers." Everything there is "growing", at the first stage they fought with communist symbols and monuments, first of all, to the founder of modern Ukraine V.I. Lenin, etc., at the second stage they took up the UOC of the Moscow Patriarchate, deciding to squeeze the "wrong" Orthodox as soon as this stage ends, the neo-pagans will enter the “scene” and will take up the Filaret’s. By the way, if earlier Bogdan Khmelnitsky was a cool dude who made a mistake at the Pereyaslav Rada; now voices are heard that, sort of, he’s not cool anymore, but, like, he’s already a traitor ...
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 30 December 2017 12: 22
              +1
              Quote: EwgenyZ
              Not long remained our "dissenting brothers." There everything goes "on the rise"

              Seeing as Ukraine, time after time breaks the bottom, hoping for their soon sobering up is pointless. Boil in this mess Ukrainians, more than one year
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 December 2017 18: 01
    +3
    “Turkish witch hunt”! Only now the sultan’s gone too far, doesn’t hold the other end in his hand — going against the Christian denomination is a sure chance for him to make such enemies that under their pressure, the last friend of Erdogad will turn his back on him forever .
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 29 December 2017 18: 06
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Witch-hunt in Turkish version "! Only the sultan has gone too far, he won’t hold the other end in his hand - to go against the Christian denomination is a sure chance for him to make such enemies that under their pressure, the last friend of Erdogad will turn away from him forever.

      Yes, there’s a hunt right there. Personally, I would not be surprised if this is true, the Greeks are still cunning.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 29 December 2017 18: 28
        +2
        This is precisely religious hostility - remember how the Turks of the same Serbs massively destroyed the Christian faith!
  3. Alexander War
    Alexander War 29 December 2017 18: 05
    +1
    Turkish secret services suspect Erdogan in relations with aliens-dajals
  4. Berkut24
    Berkut24 29 December 2017 18: 13
    +3
    Turkish intelligence services suspect Patriarch of Constantinople about relations with the CIA

    Strange suspicions (or insight?) Against the background of information that for the Patriarch of Constantinople there is an article of financing in the US State Department.
  5. System
    System 29 December 2017 18: 14
    +4
    This is no longer news .. Orthodoxy, like a bone in the throat of the West! Orthodoxy will be destroyed and there will be no Russia!
    This is our only core (gnawed more than once ..)
    Orthodox stand to death! soldier
    1. Evgenijus
      Evgenijus 29 December 2017 21: 10
      0
      There are enough Satanists on the BO, if you look at the comments, they so livened up right. The Patriarch has already been registered as an agent, the accounts have been opened for him ... This could be expected, because soon Christmas, it’s necessary to work the silver of Judah ...
      And you System (sorry, this is a nickname) - God forbid, Happy New Year and Merry Christmas! The battle continues, God is with us, and all these rats will die ...
  6. newcomer
    newcomer 29 December 2017 18: 15
    +5
    I would not rush to conclusions. I remember the statements and the very arrival of Bartholomew in Ukrland, then the question of the Church as such in Ukrland was being decided, in order to subordinate Bartholomew. only the intervention of our Patriarch stopped the illusions of Bartholomew. the time of the visit was with Yushchenko. and the sultan can use this fact to his advantage. something is scary for me for our brothers in faith, recalling the story, it is very possible that garnik is right.
  7. Fedorov
    Fedorov 29 December 2017 18: 23
    +3
    I rummaged a bit on the Internet, there is very little information, I don’t read Turkish, but there is practically nothing there (friends helped)
    Conclusion - Fake. But how many comments will be.
  8. Alexander War
    Alexander War 29 December 2017 18: 27
    +3
    the so-called moderate blacks
  9. Dormidont
    Dormidont 29 December 2017 18: 54
    +4
    Revealed the secret of the open sign
  10. tank66
    tank66 29 December 2017 19: 00
    0
    Or it may raise a question: the CIA is suspected of having links with ZAO Abram + Sara + Hagar & Co.
  11. AID.S
    AID.S 29 December 2017 19: 53
    0
    Turkish intelligence services suspect Patriarch of Constantinople about relations with the CIA

    God will figure it out ...
  12. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 29 December 2017 21: 24
    0
    It is not at all clear why this article appeared on HE. The author claims that
    the fate of the patriarch depends on the mood of the Erdogan regime
    I can assure you that this is an erroneous statement. The author does not know the text of the Koran, nor the text of the Bible, in particular the Gospel. I am not going to explain, because we are all literately trained, if we wished, we could read not only the yellow press of Turkey ...
  13. rc56
    rc56 29 December 2017 22: 07
    0
    It is strange that this open secret, which has not been discussed among Orthodox for a long time, has only now been voiced by Erdogan ...
  14. rc56
    rc56 29 December 2017 22: 09
    0
    Quote: Dormidont
    Revealed the secret of the open sign

    I'm sorry, only after I wrote my own, I bothered to read what was written earlier ...
  15. Terenin
    Terenin 29 December 2017 23: 40
    +4
    In my opinion, the article is about nothing at all. Only read the first line request Greek media report that Turkish special services stated suspicions regarding ... Müller wouldn’t have a ride negative
  16. renics
    renics 30 December 2017 01: 23
    0
    There are no facts, what then could be the accusation, no and no trial.
  17. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 30 December 2017 02: 36
    0
    Now everything is possible! San cover is not bad ...
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  19. The brightest
    The brightest 30 December 2017 12: 26
    0
    For a long time it came to Edik ...
  20. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 31 December 2017 22: 12
    0
    To some extent, we are fortunate that the Patriarch of Constantinople is located in Turkey, which is not interested in making him second Pope. The main Patriarchs are located on the territory of Muslim states and Israel. Only the Patriarch of All Russia has influence on the majority of parishioners of the Orthodox Church of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Moldova, and also controls the parishes throughout the world of the former Orthodox Church Outside of Russia.