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Stories about weapons. Rifle Garanda M1

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The M1 self-loading rifle was developed in the USA by designer John Garand in 1929. AT history small weapons The M1 entered as the first self-loading rifle, adopted as the main individual infantry weapon, and not in addition to the existing magazine rifles.

It is worth emphasizing the superiority of the Garand rifle. The world's first automatic rifle, adopted by a specific army, was the Mexican rifle Manuel Mondragona in 1907 year. The armies of many countries fought with this rifle, in total more than 1,5 million units were produced.

The Garand rifle became the world's first automatic rifle, adopted as the main infantry weapon, completely replacing the Springfield 30-06 rifle in the army.

In the world, the M1 became only the third after the mentioned Mondragon rifle and the Soviet ABC-36.

However, the number of issued M1 significantly exceeds the number of manufactured Mexican and Soviet rifles.

A total of about 1945 million M4 rifles were produced by the Springfield arsenal and Winchester before 1.

A lot of time passed from the presentation to the adoption in 1936. A rifle finishing took another 5 years, and mass production for the army began only in the 1941 year. And in 1943, the US Army became the first army in the world fully equipped with automatic / self-loading weapons.



Quite a long period of refinement did its job: the rifle was recognized successful, moreover, its design was attended by knots that even today are signs of a modern weapon: a return spring in the gas piston tube, blocking the bore by turning the bolt.

The only criticism was the impossibility of recharging the rifle during the battle, since the design of the cartridge pack on the 8 cartridges, which was thrown out of the store after the ammunition was completely consumed, did not allow this.



The rest of the M1 has established itself as a reliable and effective weapon. First of all, this is confirmed by the absence of any serial modifications, except for the sniper versions M1C and M1D. But these were the limited-edition versions adopted by the 1945 year.

Andrey Bondar from the Infantria historical reconstruction club will tell about the rifle device.



During the war, attempts were made to equip the M1 with a shorter barrel with a conventional wooden or folding metal butt, but they did not go beyond the scope of the experiments.

The rifle was completed with a bayonet.



Stories about weapons. Rifle Garanda M1


At the end of the Second World Edition of M1 rifles in the United States was discontinued, and the rifles that were in stock very quickly sold off to other countries.

With the outbreak of the Korean War, the production of M1 rifles was resumed. For this, in addition to Springfield Armory, Harrington & Richardson and International Harvester Company were involved.

The release of the M1 rifle continued from 1952 to 1957 the year when the M14 rifle was adopted in the United States. However, the M1 rifles were in the army right up to the 1960s and even managed to catch the early period of the Vietnam War, and later were partly transferred to the US National Guard.

A small number of M1 rifles are still used in the US military as a parade weapon.
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  1. Dalailama
    Dalailama 11 January 2018 07: 24
    +6
    Until the end of the war, the M1 did not completely replace the M1903.
    1. parma
      parma 11 January 2018 10: 37
      +3
      In the combat units of the first line I replaced ... By the way, did I see a video where an American amateur shooter loads up a rifle one at a time, is it some kind of modernization, a makeshift alteration or even a modern replica?
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 11 January 2018 11: 27
        +5
        No, not even in them. In the second line was the baby M1 Carbine under the reinforced pistol. SVT-40 was significantly lighter than the M1.
        The Americans have not fought so much, you can arm the entire army of Liechtenstein and is proud of it.
        1. Train
          Train 11 January 2018 12: 52
          +2
          The SVT lightness also ruined it — our generals would not have given the norms for weight to Tokarev — she would have surpassed Garand like two fingers! -Muki received Tokarev from SVT — it all boiled down to one thing — the struggle for weight and the work of automation ...
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 13: 18
            +8
            Hunters use SVT and do not complain about its reliability. Yes, and during the Second World War, the Marine Corps preferred SVT, since machine gunners could get lost during a landing, and carrying an “almost machine gun” is still better than a manually reloading rifle. You can hardly see Mosin rifles in the photographs of sailors, all are armed with either PP or SVT. Yes, and in the fleet recruits who had completed at least seven years old were recruited, as well as the technical literacy of the sailors was on average higher than that of the infantry Vanka due to the banal abundance of equipment in the fleet, and it was easier to get a grease or show the rifle to the technical master than in the infantry. You can also recall Lyudmila Pavlichenko, who fought with the SVT and exterminated more than 300 Nazi henchmen. For her, SVT was her favorite weapon, and I don’t think that such an experienced and productive sniper would have fought with unreliable weapons.
            1. Train
              Train 11 January 2018 13: 27
              +1
              Well, when asked about SVT, veterans spit almost everything — the dirt instantly “killed” it — from Karelia and I know — the Finns were very fond of SVT and literally hunted for them, our people said that when they threw out the rifles they removed the bolts and threw them separately. By the way, they were called “Likes” —but in one you are right, the Finns, unlike ours, never brought weapons with them into a warm room, were in the dressing room. When leaving for frost, condensation did not form, grease did not freeze, hunters fight, so to speak, in greenhouse conditions , the sailors are technically more educated people, but I haven’t read much, I haven’t heard any positive feedback about SVT, except for one interview where the veteran says this: in order for the rifle to not wedge, it was necessary to lubricate everything first and then remove all the grease from it with a clean rag she didn’t wedge with dry alcohol. I personally consider Pavlichenko’s propaganda to be nothing more than destroy more than 300 Germans in less than a year, and even 70 of them or some snipers are just propaganda and with Cossack ...
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 13: 45
                12
                Quote: Zug
                I personally consider Pavlichenko simply propaganda no more than that — to destroy more than 300 Germans in less than a year, and even 70 of them, or how many snipers, are just propaganda and a fairy tale ...

                Well yes. I understood. But the fact that Hartman allegedly shot down 2 aircraft in 352 years, of course, you take it on faith. Well, about the Finnish sniper Simo Häyühä, who destroyed from 542 to 742 Soviet soldiers and commanders in THREE MONTHS you also believe. Oh, by the way, do you still believe in stories about the Omaha Monster by Henry Severlo, who allegedly killed more than 2000 American soldiers? At the same time, Severlo spent only 15 thousand rounds. Well, just a miracle! For every American soldier, he spent only 7,5 rounds! And this is a machine gun !!! According to statistics, a machine gunner spends an average of 200-300 rounds for every enemy killed! Simo Hyayuhe, Okhlopkov, Zaitsev, Matthias and Allerberger just stand aside and sob because the machine gun, it turns out, is capable of killing 250-33 enemy soldiers from a tape with a capacity of 34 rounds, not counting the wounded wassat
                By the way, 15 thousand rounds of 7,62 * 63 is 450 kg of rounds only, not including spare barrels, machine-gun belts and boxes. Surely a whole ton of ammunition and barrels was brought to the position of one machine gunner? Why is Severlo such a favor?
                1. Train
                  Train 11 January 2018 14: 01
                  +1
                  I don’t believe in Hartman (it’s just annoying the number of his 1400 sorties), I don’t believe in the Finnish devil, in the light shooters of machine gunners, this is beyond the bounds of Zaitsev, I believe (by the way, about the Finnish snipers, we have a separate story) We have Povlichenkovs, they have Hartmans .... it's propaganda, everyone has their own heroes
                  1. Kot_Kuzya
                    Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 14: 14
                    +2
                    Maybe you still believe that corn can grow in Pomerania and in Yakutia?
                    1. Train
                      Train 11 January 2018 14: 29
                      +6
                      In general, I believe in one common truth: the Germans from June 41 to November ran to Moscow for more than 2 thousand kilometers, capturing 3 million of our soldiers of the Red Army, we gnawed them back to the borders for as long as 2 and a half years. You hope in that ? -And how could the Germans have traveled such a great distance in 4 months and a little, and why then we drove out already for 2 and a half years a rhetorical question ... Maybe because our black “devils" were very afraid and fled back without looking back?
                      1. figwam
                        figwam 11 January 2018 14: 51
                        +5
                        Train

                        Well, firstly, from Belorussian Brest to Moscow 1000 km.
                        Secondly, the USSR fought with all of Europe, which Germany occupied and used the entire population resources against us.
                      2. Kot_Kuzya
                        Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 20: 36
                        +4
                        Not “ours”, but “yours” - this is first! Secondly, learn to write in Russian correctly: “rhetorical”, not “rhetorical”, and “IN Ukraine”, and not “In Ukraine”. Thirdly, that is, do you believe so selectively? Believe in Hartmann, don’t believe in Pavlichenko, believe in Hitler, but don’t believe in Stalin. Some kind of selective faith you have! Do not find?
              2. sd68
                sd68 11 January 2018 21: 37
                +4
                Pavlichenko’s huge bill is a myth that was prepared for the Americans when they decided to send her to the States for a student congress. To believe that a sniper who killed more than 180 and even 300 fascists was not awarded at least the Red Star is unthinkable. Sputnik Pavlyuchenko, the famous sniper Vladimir Pchelintsev, with half the result, was already a GSS at the time of the trip — he received a GSS for 102 killed Nazis, which is noted in the award documents.
                Pavlichenko, on the other hand, received the Order of Lenin only after the decision to send her to the USA, and the order was personal and SECRET, which in itself was nonsense, they should be trumpeted at every step. There is no doubt that she fought honestly, but the fact that 309 killed Nazis (and according to propagandists in general 343) is an open myth
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 12 January 2018 09: 11
                  0
                  Probably before someone did not want to "marry", but was the team already zigzag?
            2. yarema vishneveckiy
              yarema vishneveckiy 17 January 2018 05: 05
              +1
              That the Red Fleet did not destroy ANY OWNShip of the enemy in WWII ??))
          2. Dalailama
            Dalailama 11 January 2018 13: 22
            +2
            she was already superior to him, so the generals at Pavlov’s headquarters surrendered all the warehouses with them in the borderland to the Germans
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 11 January 2018 13: 29
          +2
          The U.S. Army in WW2 has 8 million troops.
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 11 January 2018 13: 30
            0
            american sun
          2. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 13: 53
            +5
            This counts stenographers and typists in the continental United States, as well as taking into account loafers in the Pacific Ocean, Panama and California? In Europe, the contingent of military personnel did not exceed two million people, including such as cooks, telegraphists, drivers, etc.
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 12 January 2018 08: 34
              +1
              seamen pilots technicians quartermaster chaplains - minus only 200 thousand
            2. bonakva
              bonakva 13 January 2018 22: 31
              +4
              Good loafers. Unfocused the Japanese fleet and the Japanese army, preparing for the invasion.
              1. Dalailama
                Dalailama 15 January 2018 00: 09
                0
                The army of the USSR defeated the Kwantung. And how would the Amerikatos invade and where? They would not prepare Stalin to be asked to enter the war as soon as possible.
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 17 January 2018 22: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: DalaiLama
                  The army of the USSR defeated the Kwantung.

                  but did Japanese land forces consist only of the Kwantung army? Only 750 thousand faces? Strong army)))
                  1. Dalailama
                    Dalailama 18 January 2018 15: 38
                    0
                    Mostly from it, and it was 1,5 million in it.
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 18 January 2018 18: 52
                      +3
                      Quote: DalaiLama
                      Mostly from it, and it was 1,5 million in it.
                      recourse
                      And who fought in China? And who served in the metropolis, and who resisted the amers? 1,5 million was in its best years, and by the end of the war half was left without tanks, planes and artillery, and it was equipped with second-rate reservists and native divisions. In general, even worse than the Germans in the west.
                      1. Dalailama
                        Dalailama 18 January 2018 18: 57
                        0
                        In China, less, the Chinese fought ineptly and more among themselves.
                        Amers resisted the Navy. Towards the end of the war, it was equipped with soldiers and equipment better than in 1939 and 1941.
                        the sausage has not cooled yet?
        3. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 11 January 2018 20: 06
          +3
          Quote: DalaiLama
          In the second line was the baby M1 Carbine under the reinforced pistol




          in Israel they are still used in civil defense. lightweight, comfortable rifle. pleasantly sits in hands.
          1. serge siberian
            serge siberian 14 January 2018 19: 02
            +1
            In the fall of 1987, "touched" this exhibit, the worker, as he was in his hands, oooh. How they did it under my arms. It's nice to even hold it.
      2. otto meer
        otto meer 11 January 2018 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: parma
        In combat parts of the first line replaced ...
        The one on the left is armed with the M1903. Grevenbroch 1944.Here is still in the foreground on the left - M1903A3. England 1944. Something like this.
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 11 January 2018 13: 24
          +1
          Two further with the Thompson, the first on the right self-loading Browning M1918
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        3. Aqela
          Aqela 17 January 2018 23: 30
          0
          And the one with the M1903 is not a sharpshooter, by chance? It seems like springfields were better as snipers ... what
  2. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 10: 39
    +3
    Strange are these Americans. What prevented the rifle from being loaded from the clip? The SVT was charged with two standard Mosin clips. In the same way, American generals might demand that the M1 be loaded from standard Springfield M1903 clips. This would simplify the supply of troops, and would reduce the cost of production by refusing to switch to the production of packs, and would make it possible to reload the rifle store with incomplete exhaustion of cartridges.
    1. Alf
      Alf 12 January 2018 20: 55
      +1
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      This would simplify the supply of troops, and would reduce the cost of production due to the refusal to switch to the production of packs, and would make it possible to reload the rifle store with incomplete exhaustion of cartridges.

      Apparently, they considered that loading a rifle with one pack was faster and less dreary than by the time of exchange or piece by piece.
  3. otto meer
    otto meer 11 January 2018 10: 55
    +2
    The author is a little disingenuous
    The history of small arms M1 entered as the first self-loading rifle, adopted as the main individual infantry weapon / In the world, the M1 was only the third
    1. Mondragon 2. RSC 1917 3. ABC-36 and only then 4. Em-One.
    not in addition to existing store rifles.
    completely replacing the Springfield 30-06 rifle in the army
    M1903A3 until 1945, M1903A4 until 1969. At the beginning of the war, Em-One and Springfield in the troops in general were 50/50.
    1. John22
      John22 16 January 2018 15: 30
      +1
      There was also a Mauser rifle G 1902-10. and Fedorov rifle 1912
    2. Aqela
      Aqela 17 January 2018 23: 33
      0
      Thanks for the nice comment! good The story with the M1 Garand shows well that the “Americans” are good in what, without a doubt, in advertising. laughing
  4. vnord
    vnord 11 January 2018 11: 04
    +2
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    Strange are these Americans. What prevented the rifle from being loaded from the clip? The SVT was charged with two standard Mosin clips. In the same way, American generals might demand that the M1 be loaded from standard Springfield M1903 clips. This would simplify the supply of troops, and would reduce the cost of production by refusing to switch to the production of packs, and would make it possible to reload the rifle store with incomplete exhaustion of cartridges.

    She charged from the clip. After the shooting of cartridges, the clip flew out with a characteristic sound ....
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 11: 15
      +9
      Oh my God! First, at least bother to read at least Wikipedia, how a pack differs from a clip! Many still confuse the clip and the store. How many times had to read in all sorts of action films and detective stories, where GG "changes the clip on a Makarov pistol."
      The clip serves to accelerate loading, and is thrown after loading. The pack is inserted inside the store and is there until the cartridges in the pack are completely used up. A pack is an integral part of the store and weapons, without it cartridges in the store will not be fixed and fed into the chamber, weapons with a burst loading maximum can become single-shot like a reeds. While a weapon with a well-loaded loading can fully charge the entire magazine one at a time, then it becomes an analogue of the Lebel rifle, which had an under-barrel magazine and was also loaded with one cartridge.
      1. ydjin
        ydjin 13 January 2018 03: 20
        +3
        Thank you, even though you urged to think that there is a pack, a store and a clip! Many of our forum users did not know about this!
    2. Train
      Train 11 January 2018 12: 54
      0
      But didn’t the pack fly out, could it be equipped only at the factory, no packs? No rifle at all charged. Well, can someone tell me, could you probably charge one cartridge?
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 13: 24
        +4

        Judging by the cutout on the top and bottom of the pack, it could be equipped manually. I do not think that American generals were so stupid that they could miss a rifle for the army, in which the pack would be charged exclusively at the factory. Of course, in the Pentagon they cut the budgetary loot so that Serdyukov seems to be empty, but even the Yankees generals cannot allow such a blatant lawlessness. It’s the same as adopting a car that will be refueled only from a special pistol or canister with the original neck of the gas tank.
        1. Train
          Train 11 January 2018 13: 34
          +1
          I also think so, but it’s kind of like they say the pack was equipped at the factory — after it was thrown out of the window of the old box, it couldn’t be recharged again. I would have to look for information again on this issue .... In general, I am inclined to think that You're right...
          1. Grid
            Grid 11 January 2018 20: 15
            +2
            but it seems like they say the pack was equipped at the factory — after it was thrown out of the window of the old box, it couldn’t be recharged again.

            Brazenly lying. It is fully equipped. Only the last cartridge is inserted with force.
          2. Aqela
            Aqela 17 January 2018 23: 36
            +1
            Quote: Zug
            I also think so, but it’s kind of like they say the pack was equipped at the factory — after it was thrown out of the window of the old box, it couldn’t be recharged again. I would have to look for information again on this issue .... In general, I am inclined to think that You're right...

            In general, there is something logical in considering the issue of equipping packs at the factory good I once met the fact that for the M-16 it was also supposed to supply cartridges in stores of 20 pieces each. But somehow it did not grow together ... lol
        2. figwam
          figwam 11 January 2018 15: 14
          +2
          A pack can be equipped one at a time, but if an empty pack cannot be found, then this will be a problem for the shooter.
          1. Train
            Train 11 January 2018 16: 07
            0
            Thank you, well, that's the point over ...
        3. Grid
          Grid 11 January 2018 20: 13
          +1
          Any pack, however, like a clip, can be equipped manually.
    3. Dalailama
      Dalailama 11 January 2018 13: 26
      +2
      and by the sound it immediately became clear that it was time for someone to cut the fly
      1. bonakva
        bonakva 13 January 2018 22: 35
        +1
        I read that a couple of soldiers sometimes imitated this sound and Hans had to cut the fly wink
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 15 January 2018 00: 12
          +1
          read about clicks for recognition in the dark, to which the sound was very similar when the shutter jerked in response.
  5. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 11 January 2018 11: 13
    0
    I read somewhere that when the clip was used up, there was a characteristic clear click that let the enemy know that you were discharged.
    1. otto meer
      otto meer 11 January 2018 11: 42
      +5
      Quote: leonardo_1971
      when the clip was used up, there was a characteristic clear click that let the enemy know that you were discharged
      Yes there is such a thing. Although IMHO the meaning of this "jingle" is somewhat exaggerated. The fight of that time (and now too) is not a one on one duel. The distance, the roar, the movement, the stress here and you can not figure out what it rang for someone.
    2. Train
      Train 11 January 2018 12: 56
      +4
      The Germans, veterans, whom they asked about it, neighing like horses — you’re imagining a fight as such on distants of 50-100 meters, and is it possible to hear any sound at all? and quick reload ..
      1. otto meer
        otto meer 11 January 2018 13: 29
        +2
        Quote: Zug
        German nonsense praised guarantees

        I will add that the SVT Germans were also very respected. I read somewhere, kill God I don’t remember where, some memories, one ss-man during the final assault on Berlin, passing to the “citizen” even burst into tears. So sorry for him was his rifle. He still called her either Grettel or Gretchen, somehow shorter.
        1. Train
          Train 11 January 2018 13: 37
          +1
          I completely agree, and the Finns and Germans loved the SVT, it seems to him that the designers were hardly given rifle assault rifles. If Tokarev weren’t suppressed by such a tight framework in weight, the SVT would be the best semi-automatic rifle of the Second World War
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 13: 58
            +6
            A Russian rifle cartridge with a rim cannot afford to create a STORE weapon superior to a weapon created under a rimless cartridge. This is the same axiom as it is impossible to create a better weapon for a cartridge with a non-shell lead bullet, superior to a sharp-nosed cartridge with a tompak shell. Here, under the machine-gun belt power, you can create a weapon that is as reliable and fast-firing as under the 7,62 * 51 cartridge. But under STORE nutrition it’s impossible to create equal weapons! It’s like trying to create a revolver with a capacity equal to Stechkin or Glock with the same weight and dimensions.
            1. Train
              Train 11 January 2018 14: 04
              +2
              And I agree back! -Our cartridge, according to some experts ... um ... was outdated by the beginning of the First World War, the edge prevented the designers from creating a more effective weapon (well, for example, cartridges with their checkered arrangement) .Well, and even more so, Honor and Glory to Tokarev!
              1. John22
                John22 16 January 2018 15: 46
                +1
                Together with the cartridge arr. 1943 7,62x39 mm, it was necessary to take a cartridge without a flange 7,62x54 mm, because after 1945 they began to create new models of machine guns.
                1. Grid
                  Grid 16 January 2018 19: 30
                  0
                  / it was necessary to take a cartridge without a rim /
                  Maybe yes, maybe no. In general, the theme of a rifle cartridge without a flange popped up at least three times. But economic reasons did not allow this to be done.
            2. otto meer
              otto meer 11 January 2018 14: 10
              +2
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              A Russian rifle cartridge with a rim cannot afford to create a STORE weapon superior to a weapon created under a rimless cartridge.
              Nu-nu .... GRAU Index - 6B1.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 11 January 2018 15: 40
                +3
                yes, I agree, somehow strange. It seems that we still do not have another cartridge, and everything is being created for it, and no one complains. wink ending with a "Pecheneg".
                1. Vvol
                  Vvol 14 January 2018 10: 19
                  +3
                  Well, how can I say ... Each cartridge has the property of becoming obsolete, and sometimes there comes a point when it’s better not to upgrade again, but to create something fundamentally new. In the late 80s, we actively experimented with 6 mm. cartridge with unique characteristics. His bullet had an initial speed of something like 1125 m / s, maybe I'm confusing that. Then they created a self-loading sniper rifle SVK (SVK-S - with a folding stock) and a machine gun with tape power. By the way, ICS showed incredible accuracy indicators for self-loading - now I will not give it from memory, so as not to confuse anything, it’s better to look at the available sources for sure. And what would happen if a store using the latest Western technologies were created for him ?! belay ... However, then during the tests it was revealed that the cartridge needs to be further developed ... But then the union fell apart, and both projects were abandoned ... But in the late 90s they were able to create under 6 mm. cartridge sniper self-loading rifle TKB-0145, according to the "bullpup" scheme. They say that it proved to be excellent at military trials in the North Caucasus ... But, as far as you can see, it has remained a prototype - the Kalashnikov concern now boasts of developments for NATO 7,62 * 51, or for domestic 7,62 * 54 . Under the conditions of the Russian Federation, engaging in rearmament with new weapons and new cartridges turned out to be even that kind of fantasy ... But I don’t argue that the Pecheneg, a breakthrough machine gun. But here the design is important. But for the sniper business, the quality of the cartridges is of great importance - and it is precisely here that our sniper cartridges do not sparkle with the novelty of solutions, yielding to the products of the best Western manufacturers. In addition to the fact that our store snipers themselves are inferior to the most advanced foreign developments (for example, they include the use of carbon trunks - instead of steel with chrome plating). And this stagnation, alas, pushes our security forces to the simplest solutions - to use imported rifles, and a cartridge of 7,62 * 51. And this is sad.
                  1. Train
                    Train 14 January 2018 14: 02
                    +1
                    Thank you, I read it with pleasure, I think about everything today, you are right, which is really sad ...
                2. John22
                  John22 16 January 2018 15: 49
                  +2
                  Under a cartridge without a rim, machine guns of the PC series ... would have a mass of 1 kg less (at least)
                  1. Grid
                    Grid 16 January 2018 19: 31
                    +1
                    Far from a fact.
            3. Grid
              Grid 11 January 2018 20: 21
              +5
              Russian rifle cartridge with a rim can not allow you to create a STORE weapon,

              Yeah:
              1. Vvol
                Vvol 14 January 2018 09: 53
                +1
                Yeah:
                I think the comrade was referring to the fact that creating under the cartridges with a protruding flange of the liner a BOX of large capacity is really DIFFICULT (!!!)! By the way, regarding SVD, she has a store with only 10 rounds of ammunition - while Western security forces have long used 20 rounds of ammunition for their self-loading sniper rifles, although smaller stores are also available. By the way, Dragunov himself during the tests revealed problems with his 10-charging store - so he borrowed a reliable store from a competitor. They tried to create high-capacity stores for SVD at least twice - maybe there were attempts later, I don’t remember exactly. The first time it was when they mastered the production of plastic stores for AKM - with a case made of the same plastic AG-4, they created a store for 18 rounds. Then, when adopting the AK-74, using the same polyamide that went to the AK-74 store buildings, they were able to create a 20-round magazine. But all this, for some reason, did not go into the series. It’s also worth remembering that the AVS-36 automatic rifle also had only 15 rounds of ammunition ... This stable picture is spoiled only by the experience of the British with their 303., which was also with a protruding edge - to the Bren machine gun from the Second World War 30 rounds magazine!
                1. bunta
                  bunta 14 January 2018 21: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: Vvol
                  while the western security forces have long been using 20-cartridge ammunition for their self-loading sniper rifles,

                  And what, what is the advantage?
                2. Grid
                  Grid 16 January 2018 19: 33
                  0
                  / what to create under the cartridges with a protruding flange of the sleeve box magazine LARGE capacity is really DIFFICULT /
                  So what? The funniest thing was stores at 15 and 20 and 30 rounds. So anything is possible, but why?
  6. Alex koch
    Alex koch 11 January 2018 13: 55
    0
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    A pack is an integral part of the store and weapons, without it cartridges in the store will not be fixed and fed into the chamber,

    Not necessarily, for example PTRS is perfectly charged and works without a pack
    1. Grid
      Grid 11 January 2018 20: 22
      0
      And how?
      1. Alex koch
        Alex koch 12 January 2018 17: 34
        0
        You can read in the "Kalashnikov" https://www.kalashnikov.ru/pachechnaya-istoriya-i
        li-o-tom-kak-inogda-ne-veritsya-glazam-svoim /
        From myself, I can add that relatively recently I had the opportunity to personally verify)
        1. Grid
          Grid 15 January 2018 09: 34
          0
          I did not know, thank you.
  7. bionik
    bionik 11 January 2018 14: 12
    +1

    Garand M1 rifle with rifle grenade launcher M7.Goniometer quadrant grenade launcher M7
    1. diglator
      diglator 11 January 2018 19: 54
      0
      Here, about the story about the inability to recharge the store "Geranda". Please note - to shoot a grenade, the fighter loaded the rifle with a blank cartridge. On the other hand, it was impossible to do it with one hand, “on the go” and required a certain skill, since the oncoming shutter could “grab” fingers.
    2. Vvol
      Vvol 14 January 2018 10: 26
      0
      By the way, until 1944 the only weapon capable of firing rifle grenades was the Springfield rifle. This is one of the reasons why the rangers, following their first commander, O'Darby, preferred this particular store rifle. Grenade launchers for the M1 Garand and the M1 carbine under the cartridge 30 Carabine (7,62 * 33) appeared later.
  8. bionik
    bionik 11 January 2018 14: 22
    +3
    Sniper version of the Garand M1C.
  9. Train
    Train 11 January 2018 14: 59
    +3
    figwam,
    Well, why did you immediately))) the Germans didn’t run in a straight line and ... by June 41 they had fought for almost 2 years and at the same time fought against England at sea, Yugoslavia, Greece, Norway, they kept Poland in France the troops of Yugoslavia (where by the way the resistance was constantly strong until the end of the war) they fought on the seas of the coasts, then in Italy .... they were bombed already from the age of 40 by the British and then by the Americans! —and not with tactical tactics but with strategists and 600 -1000 aircraft !!! because of which they kept up to 50 percent of their Luftwaffe in the Reich))) you compare the scale !!! in Norway, too, resistance or more always existed, but that's all-Resources resources and resources !!!!)))))
    1. figwam
      figwam 11 January 2018 16: 00
      +6
      Now there is no need to wag. You wrote that from June 1941 we ran 2000 km to Moscow, but this is not so. Resistance in Europe !!! Compare the scale?)))) In Europe, German troops were taken out to rest and pick up after the battles on the eastern front, but why not vice versa. No 1000 aircraft bombed Germany until the opening of a second front. In Norway, the Germans did not hold troops because of resistance, but to confront England.
      1. Train
        Train 11 January 2018 23: 55
        +2
        They kept the troops in Norway because it was occupied, there was resistance - once. Secondly, all the troops were taken to rest, it says nothing and does not prove anything. Carefully read the story - Germany was bombed to its entire depth-strength to protect in fact, its territories were allotted huge, they were the wars of war in the Atlantic, in the desert, in Italy, in Yugoslavia, and since 44 years in France, and even in Russia! -you imagine the scale? -fought from the United States from 44 years old-country with what economy! Moreover, in addition to rest, the troops had to be somehow kept everywhere in the occupied countries regardless of whether there was stiff resistance there or not! Poland also waged an active guerrilla war! Yes, and her Germany and ironed even if in full program since 43 years, but the scale of what raids !!! Only in the battle for England before the age of 41 they lost 25 thousand crew members of aircraft and equipment, and now imagine if all this came to us ...
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 12 January 2018 06: 02
          +3
          Yes, there was Norwegian resistance, there were even paramilitary groups (about 15000 people), but ... in Sweden! Against the background of the Norwegians, the French resistance is simply bloodthirsty sadists.
        2. Alf
          Alf 12 January 2018 21: 04
          +2
          Quote: Zug
          -resistance there was

          And what was it expressed in?
          Were you in resistance?
          Yes.
          And what was it expressed in?
          When the Germans entered our bar, we did not get up.
          Quote: Zug
          in desert,

          Two panzer divisions of a semi-dried squad.
          Quote: Zug
          Poland also waged an active guerrilla war!

          Craiova’s army fought more with the Ludova Army than with the Germans.
          Quote: Zug
          Yes, and her Germany and ironed even if in full program since 43 years, but the scale of what raids !!!

          That in Germany, the production of military products reached a maximum in 1944.
          They bombed, but more often that which is not necessary. Remember Hamburg, Dresden, in which there was no military production from the word "general".
    2. Cat
      Cat 11 January 2018 22: 19
      10
      Quote: Zug

      Well, why did you immediately))) the Germans didn’t run in a straight line and ... by June 41 they had fought for almost 2 years and at the same time fought against England at sea, Yugoslavia, Greece, Norway, they kept Poland in France troops, Yugoslavia (where by the way the resistance was constantly strong until the end of the war)

      I liked the "opus" about the resisting France .... I wonder how ..... In the restaurants the Wehrmacht soldiers brought a glass of sparkling wine with a five-minute delay?
      they fought on the seas of the Oskiyans, then in Italy .... they were bombed already from the age of 40 by the British and then by the Americans! —and not with tactical troughs but with strategists and 600 -1000 aircraft each !!! because of which they kept up to 50 percent of their Luftwaffe in the Reich)))

      Yes, my friend, you need to go to the Bundestag, Kolya from Urengoy to study and study before your tearful speech.
      you compare the scales !!! in Norway, too, resistance or more always existed, but that's all-Resources resources and resources !!!!)))))

      In the public domain there is data on the number of participants in the Norwegian resistance. Just compare these figures with the numbers of the Karelian front.
      And now the conclusions:
      1. The USSR in the 41st was faced with a mobilized, already two years fighting army. Moreover, the army of winners did not know defeat in Europe. How much Poland resisted - less than a month, France - about three weeks, Norway - a little more than two weeks, Belgium - 10 days, Denmark - a little more than a day! Do you ever wonder how much shaving and Americans would be if Germany had a land border with them?
      The Soviet Union fought for a long 4 years. But again, but unlike the "ice dancing" of the Allies, he broke the ridge of the brown "nits." Yes, the price of 27 million is terrible, but this is our price and our victory.
      2. With the "brave" German Fritz, troops of Romania, Finland, Hungary, and Slovakia invaded the territory of the USSR. Separate units of the French, Belgians, Danes, Italians, Spaniards and other enlightened Europeans managed to “soak their nostrils”. Plus, separate military units (SS divisions and brigades, national legions and battalions) were from Ukrainians, Russians, Georgians, Tatars, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians ........ So the victory of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers was not a victory over "individual Germans deceived by Hitler", and over half of Europe with its human and material resources. By the way, the Red Army liberated 12 countries in 1944-1945!
      3. Could the Soviet Union win without allies? If you throw away all the "goodies" in tons of Lend-lens and the personal participation of the Allies. The conclusion is unequivocal, but the war was harder, it would have lasted longer and cost more human lives, but it would have ended all the same with our victory.
      Last thing. Participation in hostilities is measured not in "blah blah blah", but by the length of the fronts and the participation of divisions in battles. So if there is a desire to compare, look in the internet, all this is. Perhaps these “tsifiri” will open your eyes to the truth!
      Regards, Your Cat!
      1. sd68
        sd68 11 January 2018 23: 32
        +2
        Won lope stamps and myths dragged at a time!
        You didn’t catch the book of 1973? smile
        In general, sailors are deleted from the war — neither fronts, nor divisions.

        It’s just stupid Hitler, instead of adding another 8,5 to 4 thousand T-50s, he thought up more than a thousand submarines to screw it up, so what to take from the possessed one?
        Yes, and that - well, could the extra 50 thousand German tanks change something?
        They’ll interrupt, just spit, that's just the point! request
        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya 12 January 2018 01: 41
          +3
          Download further, Shura! Download it! And may the EU be with you wassat !
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 12 January 2018 09: 16
            0
            Parthenigenoss also wants to whitewash the Baltic white tights, sniper women have always shown the best perseverance.
        2. ydjin
          ydjin 13 January 2018 03: 29
          0
          Definitely, Cat +!
      2. Train
        Train 12 January 2018 00: 02
        +2
        What difference does it make if they held more than 10 countries in occupation! fought on three fronts! and by the way, the French didn’t run far everywhere, for example tankers showed themselves well. And compare the speed of the French and us retreating))) in 6 weeks they ran across Russia so much that the French did not even dream. A total of 500 thousand troops came to us except the Wehrmacht people and combat units there was that the Hungarians and Finland-ALL THE BASIC TASKS ON THE FRONTS FOR RARE EXCEPTIONS were solved by the GERMANS !!! and along the length of the fronts — much less — besides everything else, the Germans fought a war on the eastern front, from the middle of 43 also in Italy, from 44 in France — do you compare the scale of the load? NO ROMANIANS OR ITALIANS WERE ANY OPPONENT! - Hungarians - yes, and Finns, but compared to the Germans, this is not the amount .... so at ... Spaniards, Danes, scum-10 thousand-Spaniards that stopped the army ... each creature in a pair ... Germans fought mainly and Germans solved all strategic tasks ...
      3. Train
        Train 12 January 2018 00: 33
        +2
        By the way, about 2 years as the Germans fought, we also fought, both in Spain, and in Finland and on the Khanhin Goal, we gained experience, and in Poland, it’s a sin to hide, we didn’t meet babies unshooted on June 22, but one Finnish worth ... And the pilots, by the way, after the Hankhin goal and Lake Hassan, there were enough combat with experience, did this help us?
    3. bistrov.
      bistrov. 12 January 2018 08: 51
      0
      Quote: Zug
      where by the way the resistance was constantly strong until the end of the war

      "resistance" - Yeah, Czechoslovakia fired almost half of German tanks and self-propelled guns, a third of machine guns and rifles, and France much more, right down to the rubber on German guns of the now famous Michelin company.
      More than 200 thousand Italians “resisted” only near Stalingrad, and in other places under 200 thousand Hungarians, under 100 thousand Romanians and further on the list, practically all European countries, including and your beloved Yugoslavia ..
      1. Train
        Train 12 January 2018 11: 31
        +1
        I about the Italians know no worse than you — ours and the Romanians beat us — a weak spot — and crushed them with tanks like firewood, I also know about Voronezh — surpassed Stalingrad — and about the Hungarians there, the Italians didn’t fight after Stalingrad- They took them away, and I know about everything else — I'm not writing about weapons — I'm writing about how much the Germans spent resources, people and funds keeping these countries in occupation, and not about Yugoslavia — this country was a splinter for the Germans, and Poland too.
  10. Alf
    Alf 11 January 2018 21: 33
    +2
    The Garand rifle became the world's first automatic rifle,
    In the world, the M1 became only the third after the mentioned Mondragon rifle and the Soviet ABC-36.

    Mr. Skomorokhov! Would you first decide on an M1 self-loading rifle or automatic?
    If self-loading, how can it be compared with the ABC-36 AUTOMATIC rifle.
    If the M1 is automatic, then come its rate of fire in bursts.
    How much can you compare sour with heavy?
    1. sd68
      sd68 11 January 2018 23: 34
      0
      Automatism of ABC was locked, and the key was not trusted to the fighter winked
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 12 January 2018 09: 28
        0
        could lose or break, or make a copy?
  11. Greenhorn
    Greenhorn 13 January 2018 03: 43
    0
    What prevented M-14 from doing right away? The same Garand on the device, only with a weaned store. Well, "cosmetics" a little. I still did not understand the operation of the cartridge feeding mechanism of the M-1. Some kind of leverage. And only 8 rounds. With the M-14, everything is immediately clear.
  12. Catfish
    Catfish 14 January 2018 03: 13
    +2
    I somehow came across a little book of memoirs of a sniper from the SS “Leibstandarte”, since he just fought with our SVT-40. He writes that in their field units (SS) snipers were also armed with our rifles. The benefit of the captured ammunition was enough. In his opinion, the rifle was simply magnificent, only care for it was necessary. In the end, the Germans, without inventing anything better in this class, simply copied it with minor changes. I mean G-43 (W). And behind them, and the Swedes, and it seems that in FN FAL, Tokarev is also missing ..
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 January 2018 16: 46
      0
      SVT-40 was good. But the warehouses with them were immediately captured by the Germans at the border
      along with artillery and many other weapons.
      I remember the memory of some officer, as he tried to distribute brand new
      automatic rifles and cartridges for the Red Army soldiers at their huge abandoned warehouse in June 41st. But they looked only for horses and trucks. The weapon did not interest anyone. sad
      1. John22
        John22 16 January 2018 16: 21
        +1
        SVT-38 and SVT-40 have long been called semiautomatic devices. In the literature on the war (old), this occurs.
  13. DesToeR
    DesToeR 14 January 2018 10: 17
    +6
    A little tired of the cliche circulated in military literature about the "first in the world" self-loading rifle M1 Garand adopted as the main individual small arms. The fact is that the M1 Garand was not the first in the world, but by coincidence, BECAME the first in the world. For, adopting the ABC-36 (a few months earlier than the Garand M1), the Soviet Union believed that the issue of advanced automatic weapons for individual advanced lines was resolved. It did not work out mainly for economic reasons - the rifle in production was too expensive. On the other hand, that M1 rifle, which everyone praises, de facto happened only by 1941, having gone through a chain of fine-tuning and modernization. BUT in 1940, the SVT-40 rifle, which in fact by 1941 became a massive individual self-loading weapon, was accepted into service in the USSR in its final form. For comparison: at the beginning of the Second World War, the armament in the Red Army was about 1,5 million pieces. SVT-38/40 rifles, while in the United States M1 Garand rifles were only 50 thousand pieces. Simonov’s automatic rifles in the Red Army alone were more than all M1 in the USA - 60 thousand pieces. and 50 thousand pieces respectively. Is it a lot or a little? If we take into account that the number of the Red Army in 1941 was about 5,8 million people. (4,6 million people in the ground forces), it is obvious that on average one self-loading rifle fell on three. But the ground forces are not only infantry, paratroopers and cavalry, but also tankers, artillerymen, signalmen, drivers, repairmen, etc., i.e. military personnel who do not need a self-loading rifle. Until the complete rearmament of servicemen of the front lines, it was evident that it was not so far away. But 1941 put an end to many plans.
  14. verner1967
    verner1967 18 January 2018 19: 03
    +2
    Quote: DalaiLama
    the Chinese fought ineptly and more among themselves.
    but what then could they defeat their Japs for ten years?
    Quote: DalaiLama
    Amers resisted the Navy.
    yes, right on battleships and aircraft carriers plowed the island and flew across the sky
    Quote: DalaiLama
    Towards the end of the war, it was equipped with soldiers and equipment better than in 1939 and 1941.

    reluctance to even comment on such stupidity, you at least read literature about the issue.
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 19 January 2018 05: 26
      0
      Why should they stop the Chinese from exterminating each other?
      you have nonsense, as usual. The Navy had its own wing. Tiny atolls or islands on which many soldiers and equipment will not fit in with huge Manchuria, do not compare that you had to defend from the USSR with its mighty army standing across the river. And there was a rather big Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. And from Sakhalin there is a direct route to Japan.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 20 January 2018 08: 00
        +1
        Quote: DalaiLama
        which had to be protected from the USSR with its mighty army standing across the river.

        what for? Mikado generally wanted to attack, and not vice versa. Stalin was afraid of diarrhea attacks throughout the war, so he allowed them all sorts of tricks, such as disrupting Lend-Lease supplies through the straits, direct attacks on military personnel and fellow citizens with their abductions. Do not confuse cause with effect. Therefore all this
        Quote: DalaiLama
        And there was a rather big Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. And from Sakhalin there is a direct route to Japan.

        did not play any role.
        Quote: DalaiLama
        Tiny atolls or islands on which many soldiers and equipment will not fit

        it doesn’t fit in peacetime, and they are killed in the military, especially since it is about China and Korea. Just because we were not told about the war there does not mean that it was not there. There are more than 700 million Chinese in China, and how many Soviet people were in Transbaikalia and the Far East? Study history, my friend, and not only from the history books of the USSR, at the same time you will find out what hopes Mikado had in relation to the USSR in 1945.
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 20 January 2018 21: 59
          0
          Do not judge others by yourself. Before diarrhea, they were afraid of him.
          All the actions of the Japanese then were the basis.
          Why is this suddenly the only real way to invade the Japanese islands immediately began to "play no role"?
          There were hopes that the Soviet tanks, like in Manchuria, would follow this path in weeks or months and not days.
          Look for friends among Americans or Mikado.
  15. C0BA
    C0BA 23 November 2018 23: 41
    0
    ".... are signs of modern weapons: a return spring in the tube of a gas piston ....". This was precisely the main drawback in this excellent self-loading. The spring, although it was from the bottom of the barrel, and even inside the gas piston, did not get so sickly when not very intense, even shooting. The first batches - completely all - were even reworked from For problems with reloading. By replacing the spring with a reinforced one and changing the arms of the feeder levers. But all the same, the spring required replacement due to thermal drawdown. Any springs near the barrel are generally not good.