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Mikhail Demurin: Irreparable happens to the Russian consciousness

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Mikhail Demurin: Irreparable happens to the Russian consciousnessWith the Russian consciousness is irreparable. Philosophers and sociologists call this a socio-cultural mutation. It has the same detrimental effects as a biological mutation, as a result of which the organism susceptible to mutation, as a rule, dies either by itself or under the influence of the environment. A mutation is a failure in the body's defense system when, as a result of systematic external influences, it ceases to cope with the elimination of the damage caused by it. If mutations go to the genetic level, it threatens a genetic catastrophe.

But I am not talking about biology, but about the film Four Days in May, which was released late last year and is being actively promoted today in the Russian rental. The main idea of ​​this film, for all the sophistication of the script, is simple: the “good” soldiers of the Red Army, of whom the minority in the film, together with the “good” Nazis protect the German orphan girls from the “bad” soldiers of the Red Army - the rapists. And the latter, in the film, the majority. The writer and director of the tape is German 1968, born, his position, especially considering the age, is in principle understandable, although it cannot be accepted under any circumstances. The reservations of the advertising campaign unfolded around this film about the "protection of universal human values", "reconciliation", the border that "does not pass between one's own and others', but between good and evil" and other such verbiage cannot be accepted either. Let all of its creators leave for those who do not remember and do not understand who he is in this world, to which people he belongs, what massive informational and psychological warfare is being waged today against this people and the whole of our country as a whole.

As in the case of other similar diabolical slanders like the movie "Bastards", the authors of "Four Days ..." have no documentary evidence of their authenticity "stories". The most" actual "basis of this film is a publicly proven lie. And there can be no such evidence for many reasons. At least for the fact that the lawlessness of the major criminal would be instantly stopped by those very special persons whom Russian anti-Russian cinema has for many years shows as either perverted sadists, or, at a minimum, those who “prevented from fighting.” And the Soviet militant captain would not have put dozens of Russian soldiers as his henchmen for the Nazis in order to show their “universal humanity”.

That is why the pain and anger is caused by the fact that in this filthy libel on the Great Patriotic War, in memory of our fathers and grandfathers, in their participation in the mortal battle with the enemies who came to our land to destroy our people, Russian actors and one of them, Alexey Guskov, also acted as a co-producer of this tape. I was particularly struck by Andrei Merzlikin, who recently played a very high quality in the beautiful film “Brest Fortress”. Did not the conscience stir? Be that as it may, the true Russian-Belarusian “Brest Fortress” in the West will never see the rental, but the “Four Days in May” will be actively demonstrated.

From a philosophical perspective, speaking of “Four Days”, one could reflect on such concepts as “postmodernism”, “transgression” (the limit of which is precisely the pleasure of desecration of shrines), “ambivalence of filth - holiness” and the like. But I will not do this now, especially as a socio-cultural mutation, on the one hand, and loyalty to the tradition, on the other, are thoroughly analyzed in the recent book of my colleague Vitaly Averyanov, which I advise everyone who is interested in this issue to carefully read .

What to do with this transgression as part of anti-Russian and anti-Russian semantic aggression? In my opinion, the reaction time mainly in the form of indignation, condemnation, admonitions, exhortations, and so on, has passed. All this is necessary, but without concrete actions we cannot stop the targeted campaign to destroy our national core and undermine national immunity. If we cannot stop it, then we ourselves will lose the right to be called Russian people. I would suggest thinking about specific actions. For example - about the boycott of film production with the participation of those who made this film and starred in it. And what do you think?

PS Media reported that this film was partially funded by the Russian Ministry of Culture in the amount of 50 million rubles.
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek April 10 2012 16: 29
    +23
    The main idea of ​​this film, for all the sophistication of the script, is simple: the "good" soldiers of the Red Army, who are in the minority in the film, together with the "good" Hitlerites, protect German orphan girls from the "bad" soldiers of the Red Army - rapists. And the latter, according to the film, are the majority.

    Well, not at all convoluted.

    And tomorrow they’ll shoot how the USSR bombed Hiroshima. Finally, atas.
    1. Col.
      Col. April 10 2012 16: 38
      +9
      Quote: Vanek
      And tomorrow they’ll shoot how the USSR bombed Hiroshima. Finally atas

      You are not far from the truth. In the West, many young people are already sure that it was the USSR that did it!
      1. Vanek
        Vanek April 10 2012 16: 41
        +4
        Duck and I, too.
        Especially straightforward plot. Until I realized what was happening, I broke my head. smile
        1. Neighbor
          Neighbor April 10 2012 17: 16
          +5
          Quote: Vanek
          And tomorrow they’ll shoot how the USSR bombed Hiroshima. Finally atas

          Most of America.sosov - it is sure that they won the 2nd World War.
          Most Yapov are sure that this USSR wiped out Hiroshima / Nagasaki from the face of the earth.
          This is true - by the way.
          How you can’t turn on the Amer film - Russia is everywhere - in the image of a wild country with a dumb population and drunks alone represented. Or - the bandits alone.
          Relatives came to me from Germany - I was tired of listening to their nonsense about the fact that in Russia - some bandits live! How! In how in the West - they represent us - one crook and one bandits with a nuclear baton in their hands!
          am am
          Although they themselves - snickering and stupid - Tabila. wassat
          Our people compared to them and the number of talents - Geniuses! And this is a proven fact - most of the discoveries and scientists are of Russian origin. And our science is at least 10 years ahead of the rest of the planet. Simple - not everything is applied that comes up. Most of the discoveries are being implemented in the military-industrial complex.
          1. Vanek
            Vanek April 10 2012 18: 13
            +3
            Quote: Neighbor
            Most of America.sosov - it is sure that they won the 2nd World War. Most Yapov are sure that this USSR wiped out Hiroshima / Nagasaki from the face of the earth. This is true - by the way.


            We know, we know. I’ll repeat for sim "And tomorrow they will shoot as the USSR bombed Hiroshima. Finally ATAS." Well, if there will be a film about the fact that the USA won Velkaya, then ATAS will not help. It will be 3,14 times already.
            1. Neighbor
              Neighbor April 10 2012 18: 37
              +2
              By the way - they shot the same film as Russia like Georgia attacked !!! The film of the summer of 11 years - such nonsense - in general - I could not even watch it - deleted it right away - unfortunately I already forgot the name.
              laughing I cut this film into a blank for a guy from work, he just got into these events, he was there - the guy then went about three days later - cursed! laughing
              Although a little funny. sad
              1. Vanek
                Vanek April 11 2012 05: 46
                -1
                Quote: Neighbor
                By the way - they shot the same film as Russia like Georgia attacked !!!


                As an argument - it will. But we are talking about the Great Patriotic War.
          2. dmitryg
            dmitryg April 10 2012 22: 36
            -1
            Quote: Neighbor
            Our people compared to them and the number of talents - Geniuses

            If you consider immigrants, then yes wink But they are no longer "ours." Over the past 20 years, our science has huddled in a corner and only recently began to whine from there. Alive, you see.

            Quote: Neighbor
            Simple - not everything is applied, what comes up

            Interesting movie. Who needs you with your own ideas if you do not use them? In the meantime, you are trying to apply, sawing through nanobudgets, in the West they come up with this, improve it and apply it 3 times faster.

            Quote: Neighbor
            some bandits

            Pure truth. Who flashes with flashing lights? Bandits Who walks in caps with trunks? Bandits Who buys yachts from missile defense and apartments for 88 million dollars? The bandits again.
            Russian bandits create the image of Russians in general - there is nothing to be offended.
            1. Vanek
              Vanek April 11 2012 06: 49
              +1
              Quote: dmitryg
              Interesting movie. Who needs you with your own ideas if you do not use them? In the meantime, trying to apply, sawing nanobudgets, in the West they invent it, improve it and apply it 3 times faster.


              And used on peaceful people.
          3. 755962
            755962 April 10 2012 23: 01
            +2
            Quote: Neighbor
            in the West - they represent us

            Everywhere you can spit the hand of the media and Western propaganda. In one word, "information war".
    2. escobar
      escobar April 10 2012 18: 53
      -5
      Quote: Vanek
      The main idea of ​​this film with all its sophistication ......

      Well, if you saw the main idea in this - I can only sympathize ..
      1. admiral
        admiral April 11 2012 00: 09
        +4
        Such creative pieces are not much different from pedophilia, and you need to ask the defendants accordingly! Again this is a matter of national security! No more, no less! And it doesn’t matter whether the German is there or the artist Guskov ... But where is she the same state security ??? At our school the teacher got sick today, I declare the day of disobedience! So what?
    3. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac April 11 2012 06: 45
      +2
      that hiroshima. it is possible to remove that it was precisely the aircraft carriers of the Soviet Union, secretly built in the Far East, that bombed the American fleet in Hawaii. this will be .............
  2. Ty3uk
    Ty3uk April 10 2012 16: 38
    +6
    The thing is that foreigners own our rental, there are practically no domestic cinemas.
    Therefore, we need state control over cinematography. For example, in the same hated States "such a movie" would not even have been born, because the rental would be closed for it.
    1. escobar
      escobar April 10 2012 18: 58
      -19
      Quote: Ty3uk
      Therefore, we need state control over the cinema.

      So then you will watch only the congresses of United Russia in the cinema in 3d. Have already passed this, the memory is painfully short.
      1. OSHA
        OSHA April 10 2012 22: 06
        -5
        ARE YOU THERE IN YOUR TYMOSHKON JUST YES
        1. Piligrim
          Piligrim April 10 2012 23: 09
          -6
          Well, that's a typical OSHA cattle with its argument "and you"
          Escobar told the truth. And so it will turn out.
          And they will close your throat so that such "patriots" would not be empty trindels. And they would plow at some regular all-Union construction site for 90 rubles.
          1. admiral
            admiral April 11 2012 00: 15
            +8
            Do not confuse red smelly !!! You are not suggesting to drive porn on TV instead of "good night" ?! You see! .. This film is a heinous insult!
          2. escobar
            escobar April 11 2012 00: 21
            0
            Thank God there are reasonable people here. Thank you for your honesty. Regards.
        2. escobar
          escobar April 11 2012 00: 25
          0
          You have a good taste, she is a very sexy woman. But alas .. I’ve been married for 20 years to a Russian woman from the Urals. And you are a naughty girl !!)) I see a noble masturbator.))))))
        3. Che
          Che April 11 2012 08: 23
          0
          The American gangster state directly plunders other countries. The lambs are silent and look into the mouth of a bandyugan.
      2. Ty3uk
        Ty3uk April 10 2012 23: 16
        +1
        Quote: escobar
        So then you will watch only the congresses of United Russia at the cinema in 3d.

        I'd rather watch edra congresses than the blatant brainwashing.
        1. sleepy
          sleepy April 11 2012 02: 57
          +1
          The United Russia congresses are watched only by party members at a closed screening.
          3D cinemas have become less frequent for technical reasons.
      3. sleepy
        sleepy April 11 2012 02: 51
        0
        3D cinemas less and less go, for technical reasons.
      4. sleepy
        sleepy April 11 2012 02: 54
        0
        Congresses of United Russia will be seen only by party members at a closed screening.
        3D cinemas have become less frequent for technical reasons.
      5. sleepy
        sleepy April 11 2012 02: 56
        0
        Congresses of United Russia will be seen only by party members at a closed screening.
        3D cinemas have become less frequent for technical reasons.
  3. vorobey
    vorobey April 10 2012 16: 38
    +7
    and here the Russian consciousness. Article minus. just have a good lobby and a political order for such a bullshit. And self-awareness is part of the Russian soul, and how you yourself value yourself exactly as much and cost.
    I doubt that this picture will be a hit, although I won’t be surprised if it will be moved to an Oscar.
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 April 10 2012 16: 43
      +5
      Quote: vorobey
      and here the Russian consciousness. Article minus. just have a good lobby and a political order for such a bullshit.


      It's just that in the West, cinema is treated from a "practical" point of view and is actively used both for advertising ("taxi" and the Peugeot corporation, "Carrier" and Audi, etc.) and as an information war. (Rocky and Rambo), and we, with our mentality, perceive cinema as art. winked
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 April 10 2012 18: 03
        +4
        another ideological diversion

        the film "Four Days in May".
        1. Vanek
          Vanek April 10 2012 18: 16
          0
          Quote: Oleg0705
          the film "Four Days in May".


          And I want a ring. I'll take a look at the weekend. Well, something like that, to have an idea.
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 April 10 2012 18: 35
            -1
            Quote: Vanya. Well, something like that, have an idea.


            Do you need to be upset like me? request
            1. Vanek
              Vanek April 10 2012 19: 06
              +1
              -Mom, dad, and me?
              -Stop down the White Wing. You haven't celebrated your sixteenth spring yet.
              -Well, it’s so small as in the film, but not so small as on the warpath.

              "The Man from Boulevard des Capucines"
              1. Oleg0705
                Oleg0705 April 10 2012 19: 10
                +6
                Revenge the past to deal with the future.

                Leonid Shebarshin
      2. Yuri
        Yuri April 11 2012 00: 15
        +1
        Yes, yes, yes ... And the first to understand the role of cinema in politics and brainwashing was Vladimir (Ulyanov) Lenin ... Remember "Cinema is the most important of the arts for us" ... By the way, it can also be written as a Russian invention, which with success use against us.
    2. Yves762
      Yves762 April 10 2012 20: 48
      0
      Quote: vorobey

      where does the Russian consciousness



      good lobby and political order
      corrects being in the direction necessary for someone ....

      how do you evaluate yourself exactly as much and stand
      ..... well this is debatable ...
      1. Nick
        Nick April 10 2012 20: 59
        0
        What do you mean by that, Yves?
      2. vorobey
        vorobey April 11 2012 08: 55
        +1
        Yves 762 you exaggerate.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 10 2012 21: 33
      +9
      Quote: vorobey
      and here the Russian consciousness.


      I agree, the next pseudo-historical libel of the denunciators of our history

      Instead of a comment, I will post some reviews of our compatriots who watched this "masterpiece"

      Sergey (guest)
      | April 05, 2012 | 11:51

      It is very embarrassing for those who considered this to be true. This is "PR" and nothing more. I also respected many of the actors who played in this movie, but alas. Looking at REMBO, you understand that it was filmed by the then enemies. And there is no offense on Stallon - they played poorly there and looked like a parody. But then, looking at how ours played well in a vile play ... It hurts. Our children now perceive our soldiers as "enemies" who are ready to betray and either rape or scurry to the west with the Nazis ... I went through Chechnya myself and I understand how dangerous such a film released by "ours" against the entire anti-Russian industry abroad is.

      Alexey (guest)
      | April 03, 2012 | 16:30

      Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya prostitute, Matrosov never was, Gastello was drunk, as people try to kill for the money that last, which remains in the Russian people. US guys didn’t shoot anyone, didn’t urinate on corpses, burned with napalm, didn’t use nuclear weapons against peaceful cities in Japan, Serbia. It is impossible to say that all their attempts do not give a result, but there are Pskov paratroopers, there is a battalion commander who threw himself on a grenade to save a soldier, which means that it is not so simple.

      Victor (guest)
      | April 03, 2012 | 13:14

      Now the youth is experiencing not only the psychological impact of the enemies of Russia, but also actively tasting chemicals, including along with beer, toothpaste, chemical milk, and many other poisons. I am outraged by this film !!! 27 people from my family didn’t return from the war, they all fell for their homeland, for the honor of a Russian man, so that once again they came up with corrupt creatures to spoil not only the honor of a Russian soldier, but also the whole world of Soviet life, Stalin and our Holy Russia is an outrageous, propaganda lie !!! Shame on the creative creatures, shame on the actors (stars) who starred in this movie, contempt for all the nonhumans who shot this film. Shame on the authorities for such art. This is not a new look at the art of war, it's war with our people! We are poisoned and destroyed by all our pride and morality, we are rewritten to please the enemies of Russia. Veterans live like cattle, thieves live like gods. Here is your new moral. Why do not remove love and creation, where there is subtle Russian humor, where the images of people you want to line up with. There is no children’s cinema, there is no food, there is no freedom, there is no calm. Already in the early morning loading the brain with negativity .... this is all on purpose !!! Russians still exist on this earth and save you God accelerate our harnessing.
      Love (guest)
      | April 01, 2012 | 22:14

      I wonder what kind of bastard from the Ministry of Culture decided that it was necessary to sponsor this nonsense? !!! My grandfathers also fought, and I am outraged that so much *** and the memory of millions of people !!!
      Igor (guest)
      | April 01, 2012 | 21:52

      This is our ministry of culture should be transplanted and torn all !!! Is it possible to remove and show this to our youth who already have no ideals and no patriotism for their homeland, grandfathers and great-grandfathers who won FREEDOM for us !!! Another one needs to be removed and bring up a new generation in a different way !!!! What was wrong with the Soviet school?! A lot of freedom was given to you by venal American HOLIDAYS !!! You are much worse than BENDERVETS and VLASOVETS !!! Shame on the state and those who miss such nonsense !!!

      My webpage
    4. Yuri
      Yuri April 11 2012 00: 12
      0
      So much hype around this film ... There is a feeling that it is just that way. If there weren’t all these conversations around him, there wouldn’t be any interest in watching him.
  4. selbrat
    selbrat April 10 2012 16: 45
    +7
    I would also put on a par with this film "Mikhalkovskaya" bullshit, about the storming of the citadel. By the way, his film was partially sponsored by the channel Russia1.
  5. Railways
    Railways April 10 2012 16: 46
    +5
    In American films and Western films in general, "Good wins common sense."
    Who needs that looks only "normal".
  6. darkman70
    darkman70 April 10 2012 16: 46
    +5
    For example, about the boycott of film production with the participation of those who made this film and starred in it. And what do you think?

    Good idea.
    In general, the problem is very serious and such films come out regularly.
    Now Bondarchuk is shooting about Stalingraed. That is probably a movie. In an interview with Arguments, he said that in Soviet times she was in prison in half the country.
    vorobey
    And self-awareness is part of the Russian soul, and how do you value it yourself

    Advocacy skillfully cooked up is a very powerful thing. And it can greatly influence self-knowledge, even completely change a person, so that not only Russian, but generally no soul will remain. This is especially true for young people. Moreover, such films are not a one-time action, but part of just a huge shaft of such production.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 11 2012 08: 51
      +1
      “What is the strength, brother?”
      - But what! Money is all power, brother! Money rules the world, and he is stronger, who has more.
      - Well, here you have a lot of money. So what are you going to do?
      - I’ll buy it. All!
      - And me?
      Propaganda is a powerful thing. So you don’t have to resist? Let's refuse that we are Russian ... We will abandon the earth from our ancestors from faith from our children.
      Let's become a cattle.
  7. YARY
    YARY April 10 2012 16: 47
    +7
    I have already said, but again
    All films and publications about the Great Patriotic War should not be released and generally should not exist without permission and state approval !!! fool
    A form of control can be created on the basis of the State Commission for Historical Facts. angry
    1. Dust
      Dust April 10 2012 17: 25
      +6
      And this der..mo came out with a state blessing! Everything within the framework of the current policy of denigrating our own history ...
      1. Dust
        Dust April 10 2012 17: 42
        +3
        Are you minus? Do you think that they shot at their own expense?
        1. Yuri
          Yuri April 11 2012 00: 34
          0
          Plus ... The fish rots from the head. In a country like Russia, just like that, or maybe even without a direct indication from above, this film, even if it had been shot, would have been safely forgotten immediately, and there would have been no talk about it. In general, I have long noticed that everything that concerns the Soviet Army, they are trying to present all this in a black light, especially recently, after the Taburetkin reforms began ... Most likely, they are just trying to hammer the people out of which city ... trying to make candy. Many on this site credit Putin and Medvedev for the victory of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. And what happened after that ... Did you see that the army is still combat ready and decided to finish it off completely? After all their reforms, if it were August XNUMXth, they would have completely taxed ... Not the army and not us, but those who brought us to this, but we just had to wash ourselves with blood once again.
    2. escobar
      escobar April 10 2012 19: 02
      -13
      Quote: Ardent
      I have already said but, I repeat, All films and publications about the Great Patriotic War should not be released and generally should not exist without permission and state approval !!! A form of control can be created on the basis of the State Commission for Historical Facts.

      Yes, a sweet lie is dearer to you than sometimes a very bitter truth. Deceive gentlemen, deceive yourself !!
      1. ab
        ab April 10 2012 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: escobar
        A form of control can be created on the basis of the State Commission for Historical Facts.

        We have already seen so many times how, with each new ruler, the next respected state commission remade history to please the next prince.
        Quote: escobar
        I have already said but, I repeat, All films and publications about the Great Patriotic War should not be released and generally should not exist without permission and state approval !!!

        And who is the state? Another bunch of close scientists
        Maybe we recall how they put people in prison for genetics and cybernetics and all the people were approved.
        Trofim Denisovich Lysenko (September 17 (29), 1898 [1], the village of Karlovka, Konstantinogradsky district, Poltava province - November 20, 1976, Moscow) - Soviet agronomist [1]. Founder and largest representative of the so-called Michurin agrobiology [2], academician of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR (1939), academician of the Academy of Sciences of the Ukrainian SSR (1934), academician of the Agricultural Academy of Agricultural Sciences (1935)
        The name of T. D. Lysenko was mentioned by critics in connection with the repression of biological personnel during the reign of I.V. Stalin. [97]
        In a confrontation with opponents, whom he and his supporters called "Weisman-Mendelian-Morganists" [4] Lysenko used the charges of opponents in ideological unreliability

        Sound familiar?
        1. escobar
          escobar April 10 2012 19: 34
          +2
          Dude take a closer look with quotes - I don't
          говорил
          1. sleepy
            sleepy April 11 2012 03: 11
            +1
            No need to invent new films. Let the CT show "Four Tankmen and a Dog" several times and at different times. By the way, this film is banned in Poland for ideological reasons. So there is censorship in the West too.
  8. welder
    welder April 10 2012 16: 51
    +3
    Yes ... these kind of films are, on the one hand, seemingly interesting, but the meaning is completely different, supposedly we are animals .... and in fact everything is purposefully done !!! where is the censor?
    1. AER_69
      AER_69 April 10 2012 18: 04
      -5
      Revenge is natural. And the fact that some Soviet soldiers raped German women is a FACT!
      1. Dust
        Dust April 10 2012 18: 07
        +1
        Of course, if several million soldiers are in a hostile country, then excesses cannot be avoided - but they prove to us that they fucked ALL, from babies to old women ...
      2. Yuri
        Yuri April 11 2012 00: 43
        +3
        Of course, they were raped and marauders, but unlike the armies of other countries, they were shot for this in the Soviet Army, and shot right on the spot, and not like it is now in USarmy, they give three months of house arrest for ten lives of civilians.
      3. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac April 11 2012 07: 00
        +1
        who raped whom is another question. to 45g. Germans chose to the front almost all the male population aged 14 to 70 years. Can you imagine what the German woman had SOMETHING?
      4. vorobey
        vorobey April 11 2012 08: 58
        +2
        But in the American occupation zone, democracy and civilization reigned.
        There was a fair trade of stew on the body, coffee on the body, stockings on the body.
    2. Yuri
      Yuri April 11 2012 00: 39
      0
      Quote: welder
      where is the censor?

      And the censors were canceled in August 98, and completely and almost unanimously. I do not like the fact that now we are all too lazy to try to impose our story ??? There is nothing to be done - Freedom ... So we eat what we deserve
  9. starred
    starred April 10 2012 16: 53
    +6
    Brothers, the Spiritual War did not stop !!! A lousy, anti-Russian film - the echoes of an ongoing betrayal.
    In this war, too, we suffer almost complete defeats. Take, for example, our Orthodox Church with its "glorious" primate ...
    In the end it’s all over ... but we won’t give up so easily !!!
    1. sleepy
      sleepy April 11 2012 03: 16
      0
      Now, if the ROC publicly betrayed this film anathema, then it would increase its significance against the background of the Islamization of the country.
  10. wolk71
    wolk71 April 10 2012 16: 57
    +6
    I didn’t watch the film, but I wanted it from the beginning. It stopped after I read what the film was about. In my opinion, such films should be prohibited from showing not only on TV, but also rental. I try to educate my sons from Soviet films and cartoons.
  11. Rashid
    Rashid April 10 2012 16: 57
    +3
    It seems like President Medvedev not so long ago created a commission to prevent distortion of historical facts (roughly that is called). But nobody knows what they are doing in practice, except for "de-Stalinization," and this commission should be given the right of a "historical examination" of such "masterpieces" and, as a result, permission to rent or a ban.
    1. Dust
      Dust April 10 2012 17: 31
      +2
      I think that all this sv .. that sat in this commission, with pleasure approved this new look at our history!
    2. Yuri
      Yuri April 11 2012 00: 47
      +1
      Such cadres as Svanidze are sitting in this commission, who set Chechen scumbags on Russian scientists who wrote a history textbook.
      1. sleepy
        sleepy April 11 2012 03: 22
        0
        This commission also receives money ... for it.
        Quote:
        "Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree" On the Commission under the President of the Russian Federation to counter attempts to falsify history to the detriment of Russia's interests "...
        The new department will be headed by the head of administration of the head of state Sergey Naryshkin, RIA Novosti reports.
        In total, the commission included 28 people, including representatives of the presidential administration, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the FSB, the SVR, the Security Council, the Ministry of Regional Development, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Culture, the Public Chamber, the State Duma, Rosarkhiv, Rosnauka, according to the text of the decree posted on the Kremlin website. "

        http://www.lentacom.ru/reviews/577.html
  12. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 April 10 2012 17: 06
    +4
    I have no words. This is how myths about Russia are born. It is necessary to revive the system of state orders for patriotic education through films. And censorship lies.
    The most meager in their irresponsibility people are taking care of the protection of freedom, including words.
    1. dimaas
      dimaas April 10 2012 21: 11
      +2
      I suspect that the Mikhalkov Citadel is the product of such a government order. Although I join the majority opinion that something needs to be done. It is one thing when a work is based on real facts, there should not be any restrictions, no matter how bitter the truth is. But slander must also be named. As an option - to oblige authors in credits and on posters to bring the opinion of an authoritative commission.
    2. Yuri
      Yuri April 11 2012 00: 50
      0
      Hmm ... So this film is a government order, who sponsored? Ministry of Culture. The thing is that the state itself is now anti-people, from here and such government orders.
    3. Vadim555
      Vadim555 April 11 2012 01: 05
      0
      Quote: AK-74-1
      AK-74-1 Yesterday, 17:06 PM new 3 I have no words. This is how myths about Russia are born.


      Joke.

      Election of the Rabbi.
      Offer-Moysha.
      From the audience, he has a daughter, a prostitute.
      UUUUUU
      Chose Jaime.
      After the election, Moysha runs and explains to everyone that he does not have a daughter, but only one son
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac April 11 2012 07: 03
        +1
        rather, Moishe stands near the house and fighting off those who want to meet with her daughter. explains that he has only a son
  13. welder
    welder April 10 2012 17: 10
    +2
    some films are good (ours), but there are some that look disgusting and ridiculous from such nonsense .... sometimes it seems like some daddy’s son major or gigantic licking RANU some old rich woman and a student in the director’s courses ..... . Will come up with nonsense (script), beg the money from mom’s dad, etc., and take off his alleged masterpiece. This is pure water

    filter however ..... i said urdo clean water
  14. nokki
    nokki April 10 2012 17: 17
    +3
    "... the reaction time, mainly in the form of indignation, condemnation, exhortations, appeals, and so on, has passed. All this is needed, but without concrete action, we cannot stop a targeted campaign to destroy our national core and undermine national immunity ..."

    To avoid copyright infringement, post a hyperlink to the original article: http://topwar.ru/13307-mihail-demurin-s-russkim-soznaniem-proishodit-nepopravimo
    e.html

    Wonderful words! And the libel is a boycott! 50 lemons must be taken out of the pockets of those "figures" of culture who financed this venture.
  15. escobar
    escobar April 10 2012 17: 24
    -14
    I’ll say that I’m not used to jerking. I really liked the film. And the script and directing, the actors' play are also at their best. There was such a case or the like, I don’t know for sure. But the main idea of ​​the film is noble and human.
    And as for N. Mikhalkov, I’ll say - A great director and a great actor. Someone who criticizes him, let him first make a doghouse in his life (also a kind of achievement for empty critics). At the same time, he rushes against a world-famous cultural figure, especially your countryman. diamond placer under pig’s snouts (figuratively). Ready for minus one - pli !!!
    1. Dust
      Dust April 10 2012 17: 54
      +1
      With pleasure - catch!
      Want to watch IT - but for God's sake! Nobody is going to disturb you ...
      1. Igarr
        Igarr April 10 2012 19: 24
        +1
        I would have set up more minuses, Mr. escobar ... yes they do not.
    2. OSHA
      OSHA April 10 2012 21: 58
      -2
      Avatar Captain
      Offline
      escobar UA Today, 17:24


      why are you trolling so thickly, but you feel bad, you want to speak out, well, more boldly ..
      1. escobar
        escobar April 11 2012 00: 06
        -1
        It’s just very difficult to summarize your opinion to a near mind.
        1. sleepy
          sleepy April 11 2012 03: 38
          +1
          It’s easy to get to the near. But there is no mind - consider a disabled person for health.
          Have you watched "Cold Summer of 53"?
          A picture with an exciting plot and a rigidly realistic manner of drama, has the true tragedy of the Stalin era.
          By the way, this is the last film work of the great actor Anatoly Dmitrievich Papanov. He knew more about repression and war more than you. He was falsely accused, but was released. From the first days of the war - at the front. He was a senior sergeant, commanded a platoon of anti-aircraft artillery. In 1942, he was seriously wounded in the leg near Kharkov and at age 21 became an invalid of the third group.
          Papanov’s name is assigned to the celestial body - the minor planet (asteroid) No. 2480. But Mikhalkov did not come out with a snout before him, like before the moon.
  16. ZAVET
    ZAVET April 10 2012 17: 28
    +1
    Surnames in the studio. Who made the movie? Who funded? Who produced?
    Do you have Russians? Sure Tokma foreigners.
    1. Ty3uk
      Ty3uk April 10 2012 17: 40
      -1
      It is written in the article - co-producer Alexei Guskov, did not expect from him, I like him as an actor. sad
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 10 2012 21: 53
      +5
      Quote: ZAVET
      Surnames in the studio. Who made the movie? Who funded? Who produced? Are there Russians? Sure Tokma foreigners.


      Director Achim von Borris
      Young German director, screenwriter. In 2000 he graduated from the German Film & Television Academy. In the same year he made his debut film "England!"
      Screenwriter - Eduard Reznik (not to be confused with a famous lawyer,)
      Born November 14, 1960 in Kaliningrad.
      In 1990 he graduated from the scriptwriting faculty of VGIK (workshop of O. Agishev and V. Tulyakova). The author of scripts for a number of "Yeralash", cartoons and radio plays
      on the picture. (The motherland should know its "heroes" by sight!
      1. OSHA
        OSHA April 10 2012 21: 59
        +2
        so he NOSAT, AND KUDRYAV, AND LOVES Fascists - strange
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 10 2012 23: 16
          +4
          Quote: OSHA
          so he NOSAT, AND KUDRYAV, AND LOVES Fascists - strange


          Zionism is fascism in its original form. Everything else is a variation on the theme
  17. sergo0000
    sergo0000 April 10 2012 17: 31
    +4
    But what is there to understand! Everything is trivial simply. There is yet another informational and ideological bomb against Russia! And if it was funded by the Ministry of Culture, this clearly shows how many enemies and traitors of the Russian people and the state as a whole are in our government!
    am
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, is it time to start cleaning these Augean stables!
    1. Igarr
      Igarr April 10 2012 19: 28
      +4
      Schaaaz.
      This is not a royal matter, Seryozha. Stables.
      But to disperse this commission .... distortion .. Russian history - it's time.
      Who do we have ... Hercules? Tarzan? To the stable!




      only please do not associate with Sergey Glushko.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 April 10 2012 20: 18
        +2
        Igarr,
        Yes, I understand everything Igor! But what to do?! If the Russian people have one hope, he. The rest either crushed or curled up!
        1. Igarr
          Igarr April 10 2012 20: 21
          +1
          Here you are right.
    2. OSHA
      OSHA April 10 2012 21: 40
      -3
      so Putin sponsored this
      1. sleepy
        sleepy April 11 2012 03: 44
        0
        In St. Petersburg, on a website, a list of polling stations has been posted yavnemi violations.
        http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/672860-1/
        http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/649842-0/
      2. sleepy
        sleepy April 11 2012 03: 45
        0
        Something is already being done.
        In St. Petersburg, on a website, a list of polling stations has been posted explicit violations.
        http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/672860-1/
        http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/649842-0/
  18. Tersky
    Tersky April 10 2012 17: 33
    +2
    It's time to introduce censorship, that's all. I just look at the youth, it degrades every year more and more. Well, what do we want, take "Madhouse-2", and everything will become clear. Here is a growing vegetable generation that is ready to believe everything, just not facts and truth.
    1. Yuri
      Yuri April 11 2012 00: 56
      0
      Quote: Tersky
      It's time to censor

      And who will introduce it? Those who make these films?
  19. alexdol
    alexdol April 10 2012 18: 00
    +2
    What can I say, all of this, unfortunately, is not surprising. Let’s remember, what kind of power do we have? And in addition, everything follows the Dulles script, here I give a link to his statement, for those who are not familiar with him, I duplicate him on all my literary pages http://litzona.net/show_40528.php
    1. welder
      welder April 10 2012 19: 53
      0
      the right logic from the enemy - take away the culture and history from the people and he will forget WHO HE (the people). It is necessary to create something opposite to this logic and moreover, it is very competent to do all this
  20. patriot2
    patriot2 April 10 2012 18: 15
    +2
    To distort consciousness - to replace and destroy the basic values ​​and goals that Soviet soldiers aspire to. Show what the filmmakers want.
    Let them look into the eyes of "Alyosha", that soldier of the USSR who saved the little "enemy" girl from death - this monument is from the people, then maybe they will understand that they are doing a vile and dirty movie-libel on the Soviet soldier.
    Shame on the filmmakers! angry
    1. Yuri
      Yuri April 11 2012 01: 01
      +1
      For "Alyosha" plus ... It's a shame and painful for the Soviet soldier, who at the cost of his life saved the children of wives and the elderly and who are now trying to trample in the house of various scum. I wonder if Gusev or Reznik's grandfathers fought during the Second World War. I would like to see how they would react to their work.
      1. Col.
        Col. April 11 2012 10: 57
        0
        Quote: Yuri Vladimirovich
        I would like to see how they would react to their work.

        Can you imagine how Arkady and Timur Gaidary would react to his grandson and son Yegor for his work? Would have strangled!
  21. Bat1stuta
    Bat1stuta April 10 2012 18: 16
    +1
    yes already these statements "bury" us for more than 1000 years ... fool
  22. S_mirnov
    S_mirnov April 10 2012 18: 26
    +4
    So far, at the top of the country are corrupt creatures for whom their own interests are above the interests of the people of the country, and this will continue. For the Minister of Culture does not care what harm such films do to Russia, the percentage of rollback from producers is much more important to him.
    http://demotivation.me/7xkkizghz1w8pic.html
    1. welder
      welder April 10 2012 20: 04
      +2
      S_mirnov- I agree with you completely, to see he also puts something in his pocket .... Well, how much should one not respect his story, exploits or ordinary people .... But my grandfather once said: Sasha ... ..but if we piss us off .... we will go through the whole earth like this and like this .... while gesturing the sign of the cross diagonally
      1. sleepy
        sleepy April 11 2012 03: 49
        0
        Here's another on this topic
        http://kp.ru/daily/25853/2822116/
  23. escobar
    escobar April 10 2012 18: 46
    -6
    Kapets !!! All these pseudo-patriotic pa remind me of our Bendery morons. There was an ideology of Germans and ours. And there was always an unshakable ideology of humanity. And the film showed that it was alive. Or do you need Lenin or Herzen for this to wake up !!!
    1. OSHA
      OSHA April 10 2012 21: 41
      -1
      and don’t suck Bendera’s
      1. escobar
        escobar April 10 2012 22: 48
        0
        You wrote me in a personal email as a person and I answered you. And here you’re not behaving nicely. So I got to the point, since there are no other arguments besides insulting !!
    2. Yuri
      Yuri April 11 2012 01: 08
      +1
      And why, for the sake of the same ideology of humanity, Mr. escobar did not make a film about what the Americans did in Germany, where entire cities like Dresden were simply burned with all the inhabitants, or about what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan ...
      1. escobar
        escobar April 11 2012 10: 19
        +2
        I completely agree, such films are needed and there is no need to hide from the truth. This is a story that is sometimes cruel, inhuman but history. For the sake of such a film (genocide of civilians in Dresden, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc.), I would send the money transfer.
  24. Cutter
    Cutter April 10 2012 19: 07
    +6
    I agree practically with all those who have spoken out, but there is one small but!
    Mikhail Demurin is indignant (quite rightly must be said) most likely due to insufficient information about this episode at the end of the war.
    I found out about this story in 1996, when I was sorting through the trash in the attic and I came across an old issue of the magazine of the period of "Gorbachev Glasnost" "Around the World" or "Technics of Youth" I don't remember anymore, since the magazine was without a cover.
    The article was published at the very end of the magazine. It was a letter. From the article I learned the following about these events. During the capture of Konigsberg, on its outskirts on the coast, a platoon of scouts stumbled upon a women's boarding house in which well-bred blind Russian girls orphans, children of dead White Guards and others who died during the great turmoil of the civil war lived. The scouts received shelter, a warm welcome, etc. But to their misfortune, a battalion that accompanied a group of NKVD officers headed by a certain major came out to the boarding house. In general, a banal story, tipsy special officers climbed to pester the girls, the scouts stood up for them. There was a scuffle. The scouts received an ultimatum to hand over "Enemies of the People" for reprisals. Naturally they were refused, as a result of the clash. And now we pass to the main thing.
    At this time, from a self-propelled barge, walking along the sea with the fleeing Fritzes, they notice the battle on the shore and come to the aid of "their own" as it seems to them. It did not occur to them that this was our showdown, and an incomprehensible bloody mess was brewing on the shore in the heat of battle. After repelling the attack of the tank battalion, the Germans retreated in bewilderment. hike Fucking with these Russians. Probably thought that their women were not divided. And the result of all of the above is a tribunal for its participants. I remember being impressed by what I read.
    The film itself was not watched. Who watched whether the film is consistent with the events described?
    If not, then I don’t understand why to distort and adjust the film to an unknown conjuncture.
    That's it. Please do not kick much.
    1. escobar
      escobar April 10 2012 19: 18
      0
      Here is a GOOD guy! At least someone here thinks soberly and tells the truth !!! So they will kick, they really do not need to hell !!
      1. Karabin
        Karabin April 10 2012 20: 37
        0
        Quote: escobar
        Here is a GOOD guy! At least someone here thinks soberly and tells the truth !!! So they will kick, they really do not need to hell !!


        Specialists climbed to pester the girls, Scouts stood up for them. There was a brawl.****************At this time, from a self-propelled barge, walking along the sea with the fleeing Fritzes, they notice the battle on the shore and come to the aid of "their own" as it seems to them.
        So what does the movie have in common? That the Germans shot the Russians along with other Russians, and then out of misunderstanding?
        1. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac April 11 2012 07: 20
          0
          the main difference is that the scouts stood up. where are the good Germans here? the Germans are trying to land on the shore and they are extinguished together by all the participants in the showdown. and I think that the entire battalion was breaking into this monastery, only special officers, and perhaps only some of them. and then - why did they decide that they were bursting with the purpose of sex, they can catch them as "children of the enemies of the people"?
    2. zevs379
      zevs379 April 10 2012 19: 48
      0
      In 2010, I was in the Far East. This story was told to me by the writer Zavitnitsky (a former pilot — he wasn’t noticed in liberalism) - maybe that was true? Who has access - lay out the protocols.
    3. rexby63
      rexby63 April 10 2012 20: 59
      +3
      period of "Gorbachev glasnost"


      I did not believe in the writings of those years and do not believe.
      1. escobar
        escobar April 11 2012 10: 22
        -1
        You then have to believe in the writings of the times from Stalin to Brezhnev. Yes ... there was one TRUTH and only TRUTH !!
        1. rexby63
          rexby63 April 11 2012 19: 16
          0
          There was an ideology. Right now, ordinary Americans are being sucked in that their army brings justice to the whole world, but nobody, by and large, would even think of stigmatizing the American media in deceit and bias. Ideology, what can you do. But former citizens of the USSR have such a passion to water the past, and the present, too, is present
    4. Dust
      Dust April 10 2012 21: 21
      +2
      Something you have confused - even during the "Gorbachev glasnost" THIS in "Around the world" did not write!
      The story is quite famous in our time, in my opinion from the same sources. as well as stories about how the diabetic Zhdanov gobbled up cakes in besieged Leningrad ...
    5. Ty3uk
      Ty3uk April 10 2012 23: 26
      -3
      Cutter, thanks for your comment, I just don’t understand, but why was the film about this to be made in 60 years with a bang?
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac April 11 2012 07: 23
        0
        and you estimate that such a film was shot in the year so 51? where would the director, and the producers, and the actors, and those officials of the Ministry of Culture, who gave the money to shoot, be?
    6. Yuri
      Yuri April 11 2012 01: 16
      +2
      There is nothing to kick ... In any army, as well as in any nation, all kinds of evil spirits are enough, but after all, Russian soldiers stood up to defend these same girls ... I wonder if some American platoon would stand in the village and there Would the soldiers of this platoon have decided to come to pobezpredelnichat what kind of "elite special forces" would the soldiers of this platoon protect the inhabitants of this village? I doubt it ...
      1. escobar
        escobar April 11 2012 10: 25
        0
        Quote: Yuri Vladimirovich
        There is nothing to kick ... In any army, as well as in any nation, all kinds of evil spirits are enough, but after all, Russian soldiers stood up to defend these same girls ... I wonder if some American platoon would stand in the village and there Would the soldiers of this platoon have decided to come to pobezpredelnichat what kind of "elite special forces" would the soldiers of this platoon protect the inhabitants of this village? I doubt it ...


        I totally agree.
    7. sleepy
      sleepy April 11 2012 04: 21
      0
      Quote:
      "... I came across the old issue of the periodical" Gorbachevskaya glasnost "magazine" Around the world "or" Technics of youth "I don't remember, since the magazine was without a cover."
      If you read these magazines, you should know that it is impossible to confuse them.
      Anyone can write that, while sorting out the trash, he found something, for example, a letter from an unknown person published in an unknown place.
      If it’s easy for you, contact the editors of these magazines, otherwise all of the above looks like OBS.
      Quote:
      “But to their misfortune, such a battalion, accompanying a group of NKVD officers headed by a major, came out to the boarding house. In general, a banal story, drunk special officers climbed to pester the girls, the scouts stood up for them. A scuffle ensued. Naturally, they were refused, as a result of a clash. "
      Scout platoon against tank battalion + NKVD officers.
      Is this a version of a computer shooter? How do you really imagine it? In reality, the scouts would have secretly retreated and reported where they were going by radio, especially since there were enough radio sets of the "Severyanka" type for everyone. And after a couple of hours for looting without trial and investigation under martial law.
      And if you have free time to rummage in the attics, then find time for war memoirs Wehrmacht soldiers and officers.
      Especially those who were in Warsaw during the uprising.
    8. sleepy
      sleepy April 11 2012 04: 22
      +1
      Quote:
      "... I came across the old issue of the periodical" Gorbachevskaya glasnost "magazine" Around the world "or" Technics of youth "I don't remember, since the magazine was without a cover."
      If you read these magazines, you should know that it is impossible to confuse them.
      Anyone can write that, while sorting out the trash, he found something, for example, a letter from an unknown person published in an unknown place.
      If it’s easy for you, contact the editors of these magazines, otherwise all of the above looks like OBS.
      Quote:
      “But to their misfortune, such a battalion, accompanying a group of NKVD officers headed by a major, came out to the boarding house. In general, a banal story, drunk special officers climbed to pester the girls, the scouts stood up for them. A scuffle ensued. Naturally, they were refused, as a result of a clash. "
      Scout platoon against tank battalion + NKVD officers.
      Is this a version of a computer shooter? How do you really imagine it? In reality, the scouts would have secretly retreated and reported where they were going by radio, especially since there were enough radio sets of the "Severyanka" type for everyone. And after a couple of hours for looting without trial and investigation under martial law.
      And if you have free time to rummage in the attics, then find time for war memoirs Wehrmacht soldiers and officers.
      Especially those who were in Warsaw during the uprising.
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac April 11 2012 07: 26
        +1
        I support, SMERSH would come and pick up the Specialists along with the major
      2. Cutter
        Cutter April 11 2012 16: 03
        -1
        sleepy,
        If you read these magazines, you should know that it is impossible to confuse them.
        Anyone can write that, while sorting out the trash, he found something, for example, a letter from an unknown person published in an unknown place.
        If it’s easy for you, contact the editors of these magazines, otherwise all of the above looks like OBS.

        Dear sleepy. Please read the posts of the participants in the discussion more carefully. Pay attention to the date when I came across this article, 16 years have passed !!!
        I really don’t remember what kind of magazine.
        Here they confirmed that they had heard and even discussed on the forum about this episode of the end of the Second World War.
        For information. A tank battalion consists of 10 tanks, in urban conditions, for a "mother" who went through a war of military intelligence, breaking it is not a problem. Let's go further. And where is the moral aspect of hidden retreat, but what about the blind pupils?
        About looting in general is better not to say anything. It was generally punished and there was nothing to punish, the right of the winners no matter how. Echelons after echelons went east. The loot was returned, personal and state damage was collected at all levels.
        Germany was taken out under the net on both sides. Grandfather (the kingdom of heaven! He went all the way to Berlin!) Drove the BMW motorcycle home, I remember he drove me.
        Well, lastly. I rummage around in the attics. In 96 he received a dilapidated house as a young specialist who arrived on the coast.
        1. sleepy
          sleepy April 12 2012 01: 45
          0
          Dear Cutter.
          Quote:
          "It was confirmed here that they had heard and even discussed on the forum about this episode of the end of the Second World War."
          Quote tank64rus:
          "My Dad in 41 went to the front at the age of 17, and at 43 he was already a commander of a reconnaissance company. I heard a lot from him about the war. About wells in Ukraine filled to the brim with women and children. That the war was fought with extreme ferocity. About Stalin's directive, when an officer began to take personal responsibility for the life of German prisoners of war.In our culture, representatives of the "fifth column" do not mention one feature of warfare - the German soldier was allowed by the Supreme Power, represented by the leaders of the 3rd Reich, to kill any Russian, for this they were tried in Nuremberg. In our country, for this, in relation to the civilian population, criminal liability came and quite quickly and very cruelly. For the crimes of subordinates against the civilian population, the unit commander and the special unit were personally responsible. Therefore, the special officers in the role of rapists are a superbrand of the scriptwriter.
          Yes, under Stalin's control they would have been shot the next day. "
          1. sleepy
            sleepy April 12 2012 02: 07
            0
            Dear Cutter.
            Quote:
            "I don't really remember what kind of magazine it was."
            At that time of perestroika, I came across a magazine, either "Novy Mir", or "Ogonyok", I don't remember exactly. There it was proved in detail that Lenin was a mushroom, or a woman, I don't remember exactly. That's what you need to do in 3D.
            Quote:
            "A tank battalion consists of 10 tanks, in urban conditions, for a" mother "who went through a war of military intelligence, breaking it is not a problem."
            Was there an urban environment? Why didn’t they call the aircraft?
            In my opinion, IHMO, the task of reconnaissance is not to destroy the enemy’s forces, but to covertly move to collect intelligence or to capture a higher rank language without attracting attention.
            Quote:
            "And where is the moral aspect of hidden retreat, but what about the blind pupils?"
            A scout with morality will not live long, as well as with the habit of smoking.
            There is no moral aspect, only expediency.
            And in the battle that arose, the lives of the inhabitants of the boarding house were under real threat.
            Quote:
            "Germany was brought under the net on both sides."
            Where is the Amber Room and much more? For example, Bormann's gold?
            Sensible Germans hid everything valuable long before the occupation.
      3. rexby63
        rexby63 April 11 2012 19: 18
        0
        Support.
  25. Vanek
    Vanek April 10 2012 19: 13
    +1
    Quote: escobar
    I really liked the movie

    Quote: escobar
    But the main idea of ​​the film is noble and human.

    Quote: escobar
    remind me of our Bendera morons



    You understand yourself.
  26. escobar
    escobar April 10 2012 19: 22
    -4
    Quote: Vanek
    You understand yourself.

    I said this about pseudo-patriots, here .. you don’t understand !!
    1. OSHA
      OSHA April 10 2012 21: 45
      0
      already refusing ...
  27. darkman70
    darkman70 April 10 2012 19: 55
    +8
    Excerpts from a Goblin review of this movie:

    Well, with von Borris, everything is clear. His grandfather fertilized the land near Kursk, and his granddaughter, in his own way, settles accounts with the winners. Why not make a movie with Russian money about how Russians kill Russians, confirming the myths about hordes of Russian animals that have torn unhappy Germany and millions of raped Germans now driven into the heads of cultural Europeans?
    But with Guskov it’s much more complicated.
    He didn’t mention Fost, most likely, only because his last name appeared in the credits, and no one else will watch this movie for the first time, and you can “play” with pseudo-history. It is also disgusting that the film actually “torn” pieces of plots of beautiful films about the war. Such as Naumov’s “Shore”, about the short love of a German and a Soviet lieutenant, and “Long miles of war”, where our soldiers also encounter Germans trying to escape to the West. Secondarity in the “Four Days of May” is abundant.

    There are no problems with real historical materials on this subject.

    The following orders are on the net:

    From the order of Stalin on January 19 1945

    "Officers and Red Army men! We are going to the enemy's country. Everyone must keep composure, everyone must be brave ... The remaining population in the conquered areas, regardless of whether German, Czech, or Pole, should not be subjected to violence. The perpetrators will be punished according to martial law. Sex with women is not allowed in the conquered territory. The perpetrators will be shot for violence and rape. "

    20 April 1945 city

    The Supreme High Command orders:

    1. Demand to change the attitude towards the Germans both to prisoners of war and civilians. Treat the Germans better. The cruel relationship with the Germans causes them to fear and makes them stubbornly resist, not surrendering to captivity. The civilian population, fearing revenge, is organized into gangs. This situation is not profitable for us. A more humane attitude towards the Germans will ease our combat operations on their territory and will undoubtedly reduce the German stubbornness in defense.


    2. In areas of Germany west of the line of the mouth of the Oder River, Fürstenberg, then the Neisse River (west) to create German administrations, and in cities to set burgomaster - Germans. The ordinary members of the National Socialist Party, if they are loyal to the Red Army, should not be touched, but only leaders should be detained if they did not manage to escape.

    3. Improving attitudes towards the Germans should not lead to a decrease in vigilance and familiarity with the Germans.
    Supreme Headquarters.
    I.STALIN
    What made Guskov shoot this movie?


    Sweet masochism? Rapture of self-abasement? Creative pride, when the temptation to rebuild reality into your imagination outweighs common sense and the truth of life? The obsessive, manic idea "there are no winners and losers, but there is a terrible fatigue from this senseless massacre."

    Honestly, I do not want to delve into the reasons that prompted the timeless Guskov to sink to such a dismal abomination. I don’t see the point.
    Only one thing is important - the next vile fake about the war is removed and spreads, another spit in our history! And besides contempt, this fake does not cause anything!

    There is nothing to add.
    1. escobar
      escobar April 10 2012 20: 02
      -7
      Poor Guskov !! NOW HE IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE ....
      1. OSHA
        OSHA April 10 2012 21: 47
        -1
        YOU FUCK888 TROLLE, GO TO GET THE BENDER'S
        1. escobar
          escobar April 10 2012 22: 53
          0
          You will not wait for a retaliatory insult from me. And I am not going to convince inanimate.
      2. valerei
        valerei April 10 2012 21: 47
        +3
        He is not an enemy of the people, but simply a c-decree.
  28. Svyatoslav
    Svyatoslav April 10 2012 20: 01
    +4
    If such films are shown, then you can safely throw the TV out the window. Fuck these "masterpieces".
    1. escobar
      escobar April 10 2012 20: 16
      -3
      MEANS YOU HU .... YOUR TELIK.
      1. Svyatoslav
        Svyatoslav April 10 2012 20: 54
        +1
        I haven’t complained yet - I don’t look at such slag, I prefer football.
      2. OSHA
        OSHA April 10 2012 21: 44
        +2
        why are you broadcasting from Ukraine. and you like the film about the humiliation of our soldiers, aren’t you, so go to Germany there they love such people
        1. escobar
          escobar April 10 2012 23: 06
          -1
          Normal people live in Germany, but whoever has a brained brain - the process is not reversible. My friend’s degradation)))
  29. ward
    ward April 10 2012 20: 04
    0
    And what a good idea to boycott ... in India, the Angles were sent so much by the forest ... and not by any violence ... but what I didn’t like ... what mutations are like ... an acquaintance is going to change his business ... he has an alcohol shop. .. sales have fallen ... this mutation is such a mutation ... I might have gone to this film .... but it’s purely a pity the movie theater ... and the girls in the buffet have nothing to do with it ...
  30. ares3
    ares3 April 10 2012 20: 33
    -3
    On this site they wrote about this case - which formed the basis of the film. The film does not quite correspond to that article, but the film is a work of art and it all depends on the film crew how it will present this or that event.
    1. OSHA
      OSHA April 10 2012 22: 19
      0
      YES YOU AND I’ll shoot a film about how ss soldiers burn your family in real life and how do you sing
  31. rexby63
    rexby63 April 10 2012 20: 55
    +3
    To the author of the article - PLUS! This filmman has long had to deal with.
  32. OSHA
    OSHA April 10 2012 21: 47
    -4
    SO SUCH AH YES MADEIN UKRAINE, FORGOTTEN
  33. Sargon
    Sargon April 10 2012 22: 04
    +3
    Maybe the story described by Cutter actually took place, but the truth is that it really was an isolated case, an excess, and not a rule. The whole power of cinema is that if it is well shot, with good actors, it will remain in memory for a long time, and what remains is what Russian rapists are. The defenders of the girls will no longer be remembered, and the image of the Russians will be associated with the drunken NKVD officer, that’s the catch. The US Army, for example, is conducting undisguised agitation in Hollywood, directors showing the valor and courage of jiay help in filming and providing equipment, and if the image of a soldier is damaged, get a lawsuit. In our country, it’s considered good form to kick the state and its heroic history, and even at the expense of the state itself, except I can’t call it a madhouse.
    The film may be good, but Rimbaud 3 was also not bad at one time, and this is a direct ideological sabotage.
    1. OSHA
      OSHA April 10 2012 22: 21
      0
      then I’ll shoot a film where the Nazis fuck Obama and the Queen of Great Britain
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac April 11 2012 07: 31
        -1
        just put in the credits "fantasy" and forward. Shall we fold?
  34. OSHA
    OSHA April 10 2012 22: 25
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    Poor Guskov !! NOW HE IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE ....


    feel free to complain to the moderator to be banned, for trolling

    we can’t allow liberals to kick in bright memory, you just need to send them to court for desecrating the memory of the deceased
    1. escobar
      escobar April 10 2012 23: 09
      -4
      Yes, you are following me black funnel send pan snitch.
      1. OSHA
        OSHA April 12 2012 08: 47
        0
        I will come
  35. M. Demurin
    M. Demurin April 10 2012 22: 27
    +4
    M. Demurin
    I am glad that my article provoked an interesting discussion. I have been dealing with the topic of the destruction of Russian consciousness through the distortion of historical truth and the destruction of national tradition in assessing the meaning and results of the Great Patriotic War for several years. If my opinion is interesting, I can suggest reading this one more:
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/1272479.html
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/1133882.html
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/1417741.html
    http://www.perspectivy.info/oykumena/vector/pravda_istorii_i_lozh_politiki_2008-
    10-13-30-2.htm
    http://www.globoscope.ru/content/articles/1843/
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/1174243.html
    The rest is on the website http://www.dynacon.ru/index.php.
  36. Sniper 1968
    Sniper 1968 April 10 2012 22: 42
    +2
    Somehow it felt disgusting in my soul ... Guskov and Dimon from "Boomer" ... I wonder: did they read the script before taking the loot?
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 April 11 2012 06: 01
      +1
      Sniper 1968,
      Here you need to take a good look at their roots!
  37. OSHA
    OSHA April 10 2012 22: 49
    +1
    WE NEED A BARRIED LEAD,
    1. escobar
      escobar April 10 2012 23: 09
      -5
      So much hunting in the gulag?
      1. OSHA
        OSHA April 12 2012 08: 47
        0
        no, I'll take you there. got it
  38. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder April 10 2012 23: 12
    +3
    Yes - they survived .... and how is it allowed to rent ...! ????? it’s not surprising that then the younger citizens will be turned back from their country - if you look at such nonsense from childhood ....... I remember my own - there are a lot of Soviet films, but not evil, not perverted .....
    1. Sniper 1968
      Sniper 1968 April 11 2012 14: 58
      +1
      Dart weyder,
      I agree, comrade Dart. Soon they will make a film, as Soviet soldiers burned civilians in barns ... It's sad.
  39. Meridiy
    Meridiy April 10 2012 23: 52
    +3
    I watched the film - full slag. Regarding the films about V.O.V., I think that it’s enough to shoot them at all - all the necessary has already been shot. Well, the director who has not seen the topic of the film in his eyes does not have the right to shoot. Young people have something to grow on, they do not need post-Soviet films on this topic. Our old ones are also a bit with an emphasis on the fact that the chances are waist-high wooden, but this is not bad either. This is our right. Respect for Guskov and Merzlikin fell to zero, especially for Guskov - he is older. I recommend not to watch the film, and categorically protect children from watching! To the older generation - you have a specific front of work, and we will duplicate you in every way.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac April 11 2012 07: 36
      +1
      Quote: Meridiy
      Regarding films about V.O.V.V., I think that it’s enough to shoot them at all - everything you need has already been shot.

      I do not agree with this. technologies change, opportunities improve. why not reshoot in 3D "Hot Snow" or "Battalions are asking for fire".
  40. nekromonger
    nekromonger April 11 2012 00: 48
    -7
    I recently watched this film - for some reason I didn’t see anything seditious there, it’s just an ART film and a personal view of the director and it does not pretend to historical realities. I can’t understand that this pseudo-critic of a sort in him saw. IMHO it is he mutates. Guskov and Merzlikin are just actors, how can you not understand this? And they are quite good, unlike most of their colleagues. This grief critic will probably be the whole life of Ingland for the fact that he once played Freddy Krueger.
  41. sergo0000
    sergo0000 April 11 2012 05: 51
    +1
    What’s interesting is that we all regret Iran, will Israel hit it or wait for now?! And who will regret us, besides ourselves from this global infection?! After all, ideological bombs like this film made by the hands of Jews, and even with the support of our government (or rather the Zionists entrenched there), do much more harm than real military weapons! They inflict on young fragile minds and souls of adolescents and just young people who do not bother with a deeper and more honest study of history, but draw it from such high-rises as This movie.
    IS IT NOT TIME ALREADY FOR PEACE AND RUSSIA IN PARTICULAR TO DELIVER A RESPONSE?
    AND ANNOUNC ZIONISM OUTSIDE THE LAW!
    And guskov for me is now a traitor and SUK
    BUT!

    Now, if I see a Jewish person somewhere in any film, I will be biased! This is sad.
    1. escobar
      escobar April 11 2012 10: 05
      -4
      I’m shocked .. How did the ideology of the great October disfigure your brain ...
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 11 2012 10: 08
        +1
        And your 20 years of independence.
        1. escobar
          escobar April 11 2012 11: 02
          -3
          So is yours, your 20 years of independence. Is this your analogy? Or do you simply dislike the word independence?
          Your independence doesn’t warp me.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 11 2012 11: 19
            +1
            we didn’t separate from anyone and didn’t want independence. I have a wife from Ukraine and I have something to compare with since we regularly carry children with my grandmother.
            Well, to whom, to whom and to you, a respected brain was aborted for sure, and instead an implant was grown in the laboratory of such a writer as Pavlo Shtep and others like him. And about the brained brain, you got excited. I already wrote comparisons in one post when the Ukrainians themselves were our guests, in an ordinary village they did not see the drunk. and you’ve got a direct dirt on your ancestors, or your ancestors, indeed with good Nazis, have liberated Russia from Bolshevism.
            1. escobar
              escobar April 11 2012 16: 02
              -1
              As for the irreversible changes in the cerebral cortex and, as a result of the psyche itself, due to the systematic abuse of green snakes, this term spontaneously arising in me (brain swelling) refers to a specific individual (not to be confused with a person) nicknamed Osho
              I don’t want to know Finns or Swedes where we drink in Russia, and I don’t affirm anything. As for bender praisers and the like, I am an ardent opponent of everything related to them. And the avatar is in honor of my late friend and companion Pavlo (friends called Escobar )
              1. OSHA
                OSHA April 12 2012 08: 50
                0
                stop inventing a
          2. vorobey
            vorobey April 11 2012 11: 38
            +1
            [quote = escobar] escobar A profile picture not in honor of Pablo Escobar, the Colombian drug lord. if so, then everything is clear.
          3. OSHA
            OSHA April 12 2012 08: 49
            0
            independence from reason from life. Ode is good, but Ukraine will be able to protect itself from Poland, say. ,,, there is never anything for you. .......
      2. OSHA
        OSHA April 12 2012 08: 48
        0
        as you already started to fall victim to repression, a coward and an alarmist a bullet in a lobeshnik
  42. Vanek
    Vanek April 11 2012 06: 04
    +1
    We must make a film about how the United States bombed Germany. And for the main roles, well, there Mickey Rourke or Dolph Lungren. And indeed there are also enough actors.

    "Four days in May" is an abuse of memory in a perverted form!
  43. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 11 2012 09: 19
    +2
    My Dad in 41 went to the front at the age of 17, and at 43 he was already a commander of a reconnaissance company. I heard a lot from him about the war. About wells in Ukraine filled to the brim with women and children. About the fact that the war was waged with the utmost ferocity. About Stalin's directive, when the officer began to bear personal responsibility for the life of German prisoners of war. In our culture, representatives of the "fifth column" do not mention one particular feature of waging a war with a German soldier, it was allowed by the Supreme Power in the person of the leaders of the 3rd Reich to kill any Russian, for this they And they were tried in Nuremberg. We, for this in relation to the civilian population, came criminal responsibility and quite quickly and very cruelly. For the crimes of subordinates against the civilian population, the unit commander and the special officer of the unit were personally liable. Therefore, the special officers in the role of rapists is a super-delusional scriptwriter. Yes under Stalin's control, they would have been shot the next day. By the way, Stalin, when the Red Army entered the territory of Germany, G.K. Zhukov on was considered responsible for the behavior of the military in relation to the civilian population, and his powers were not limited. I read his one order impressive. It's a pity that all this abomination is designed for young people, who, instead of the truth, slip such a thing.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek April 11 2012 14: 29
      +1
      Two grandfathers from that war did not come. And those two who returned (well, they are cousins) did not like to talk about the war at all. From granny I know that about any violence, etc. on the part of the Russian soldiers there was NO speech. In relation to the civilian population. And vice versa, the grandfather seemed to start talking about the cruelty of the Germans, but half way - he fell silent and began to cry.
  44. vorobey
    vorobey April 11 2012 09: 29
    +2
    I read, thought, read it again, recalled stories, re-read it again and understood one thing. The saint is in our lives less and less and is replaced by this holy mud in an effort to earn money. This is not scary. The terrible thing is that with us the remnants of our childhood memories of communication with our ancestors will go away. Grandfathers winners. My grandfather served in a tornado, and I am not ashamed of him. My grandmother went through the war as a nurse on a medical train. The second grandfather in the marine corps defended Sevastopol. And the grandmother, the Crimean Tatar, saved the wounded pearl to the Evpatoria along the sea. I am not ashamed of any of them. They allowed their blood to live and nourishing the cattle who are trying to blacken their memory. Not us cattle. Cattle just there are people with a small soul who are ready to abandon their ancestors for butter on bread. In addition to self-destruction, this will not lead to anything. The fate of Judah is known. Conscience is the highest court. What about our conscience?
  45. Gur
    Gur April 11 2012 15: 38
    +1
    The title of the article is not entirely correct. The boys making films of this format do not and cannot have anything Russian, Soviet, Slavic, there is no memory of a non-elementary conscience. The theme of repainting from red to white can be seen by the creatures, although the film "Once upon a time there was one woman" is still an echo of this epic, the survival of the whole country and the peoples living in it. It's a shame for the actors, although, of course, the essence of acting is akin to forgiveness. And there are few principled actors who, for the sake of their principles (and do they even have these principles), would refuse work and ganarars. And what a pity to look at those who, in the not distant past, played commissars, directors of collective farms, factories, etc., who died for a bright future at the hands of bandits, fascists, now play the same selflessly the same bandits, and such "heroes "saving German kids, and sometimes just in blatant porn. And then with the same selflessness they talk about the spiritual components of the nation. And it seems that all the same it is good that those whom you respect (Bykov, Papanov, Shukshin, etc.) did not survive. And how shameful it is to recognize the state contributes to this. And what about the "Russian consciousness", judging by the comments with him, for the most part, everything is fine, only just sitting and looking at this orgy is already enough. We must already do something about it.
  46. OSHA
    OSHA April 12 2012 08: 51
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    escobar UA Yesterday, 16:02 new
    - -1 +
    As for the irreversible changes in the cerebral cortex and, as a result of the psyche itself, due to the systematic abuse of green snakes, this spontaneously arising term in me (brain swelling) refers to a specific individual (not to be confused with a person) nicknamed OSHO
    I don’t want to know Finns or Swedes where we drink in Russia, and I don’t affirm anything. As for bender praisers and the like, I am an ardent opponent of everything related to them. And the avatar is in honor of my late friend and companion Pavlo (friends called Escobar )



    the patient behaves strangely, contradicts himself in seven posts in a row, do you have a split personality?
  47. BorisBM
    BorisBM April 24 2012 16: 07
    +1
    Unfortunately, it is impossible to attract the people who filmed this libel to the answer. And to my bitter regret, I was once again convinced that the actors, and those who believe and love, turned out to be the same corrupt bastards, like many journalists. And those who wrote the script for this "" works "" deserve even more harsh epithets. For these people, for money, you can be anyone in a role, both good and bad, and that's right. But you can't be mean in relation to the heroic past of the people in which you live, and to anyone else too Having gone to GUR, many of the great actors refused to play such roles, some of them are still alive. The current ones use their talent according to the principle: nothing personal, business, gentlemen and ladies. And this cripples the strong souls of young people and children. And what to do with it. , so I don’t know. How to cut it down? Perhaps the public council at the Ministry of Culture will help. But it’s unlikely. Nobody hears us, because they do not want to listen. This film is part of the struggle of the Democrats against the peoples of Russia