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Media: Turkey and Russia signed a loan agreement for the purchase of C-400

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Turkey and Russia signed on Friday a loan agreement on the purchase of C-400 complexes. This was reported by Haber Turk.
The signing of the agreement took place in Ankara.


Earlier, the Hurriyet newspaper reported that Ankara would pay part of the amount for the complexes on its own, and take a loan from Moscow for another part. Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said that the agreement involves a loan in rubles, which is beneficial for Ankara.

Media: Turkey and Russia signed a loan agreement for the purchase of C-400


December 27 reported that Ankara fully agreed with Moscow on an agreement to acquire four divisions of the C-400 air defense system. Sergey Chemezov, Director General of Rostec State Corporation, 2 November, said that the contract amount exceeds $ 2 billion. According to Ismail Demir, the deputy head of the secretary of the defense industry of Turkey, the delivery of systems will begin within two years.

Long-range air defense systems S-400 Triumph (developed and manufactured by the Almaz-Antey concern) is designed for highly effective destruction of strategic and tactical aircraft aviation, ballistic missiles, hypersonic targets and other means of air attack in the conditions of electronic and other types of counteraction.
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  1. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 December 2017 13: 52 New
    26
    The stupidity of the Kremlin rolls over ... Not only do they sell the latest anti-aircraft defense system to the country of NATO, which supported Islamic militants in Chechnya, but also not for money, but consider it a gift, because Russia’s loans are not repaid ... You will think about treason through captivity ... Like Gaidai - They say the king is not real ...
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 29 December 2017 13: 57 New
      10
      Well, yes, "they didn’t get off with tomatoes," so much so that we gave them the installation.
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 29 December 2017 14: 15 New
        11
        It could have been called an article differently - the Russian taxpayer paid for the purchase for Turkey. Well, our government loves loans and can forgive foreign borrowers. Tens of billions of $. Money from the treasury has gone, and the government will happily report how much the weapon has “sold”. Yes Turkey, the eternal enemy of Russia. Not bad Turks "... got off with tomatoes" request hi
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 29 December 2017 14: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: fa2998
          It could have been called an article differently - the Russian taxpayer paid for the purchase for Turkey. Well, our government loves loans and can forgive foreign borrowers. Tens of billions of $. Money from the treasury has gone, and the government will happily report how much the weapon has “sold”. Yes Turkey, the eternal enemy of Russia. Not bad Turks "... got off with tomatoes" request hi

          I repeat, they pay the cost of production immediately. Not with credit, but with real money. So taxpayers do not pay anything. Learn the information.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 23 New
            14
            I repeat - the transfer of the latest air defense system to a NATO country is already a war crime against Russia ... And the technologies that NATO will receive for study are more expensive than all Turkish taverns in Russia
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 29 December 2017 14: 29 New
              +6
              I completely agree. You just train the IDF and maybe someone else from the alliance.
              But on the other hand, Turkey is a key player. And getting her is expensive. On compliance with the fin. do not dream of arrangements.
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 29 December 2017 23: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: Shahno
                You just practice IDF

                Well, rather, Hel Haavir. yes Chur, then no offense. laughing Understand the Turks themselves. By the way, Turkey also supplies tomatoes to Israel, however, on a smaller scale.
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 29 December 2017 23: 46 New
                  +4
                  At first glance - betrayal. Not only is NATO transferred almost the latest technology, which not even all allies have. So also give credit for its delivery. Consider shoving forcibly. Somehow they forgot too quickly a downed plane, about the murder of the ambassador they generally shut up immediately.
                  But Putin cannot be called either a fool or a NATO member. Incomprehensible situation. Looks like a far-reaching intrigue, for which they sacrificed the secrecy of the complex.
                  What could be the purpose of intrigue? Well, do not seriously consider that Turkey will withdraw from NATO and become a friend. What then?
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 30 December 2017 08: 49 New
                    0
                    And patriots of those who put and protect the monuments to Yeltsin can not be called even more so
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 29 December 2017 13: 58 New
      15
      Quote: Nemesis
      The stupidity of the Kremlin rolls over ... Not only do they sell the latest anti-aircraft defense system to the country of NATO, which supported Islamic militants in Chechnya, but also not for money, but consider it a gift, because Russia’s loans are not repaid ... You will think about treason through captivity ... Like Gaidai - They say the king is not real ...

      If you studied the issue, you would know that they give half of the money immediately and in cash from their pocket. And if we consider what margins in the military industry, this means that we will receive an amount of money equal to the cost of production, or even more. And the rest of the money will come to us with interest - this is not Zimbabwe ...
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 01 New
        12
        They are the Russian Federation still for the construction of nuclear power plants ... This year the war with Turkey almost started, and they give it the latest air defense systems, and even on credit .... It’s time for the Kremlin old man to resign ...
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 29 December 2017 14: 07 New
          +9
          They owe nothing for the construction of a nuclear power plant. She is our property.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 09 New
            10
            Relations with Turkey are strained and the chip of what you can forget about this property is not for you Lipetsk or Vladimir, it is a country that fought against the Russian Federation in Chechnya, shot down a Russian plane in Syria
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 29 December 2017 14: 18 New
              +4
              We also have strained relations with the USA, but this somehow does not interfere with the production of Ford, Coca-Cola and the rest. Do you think that in our country there are no Turkish enterprises? And nothing.
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 21 New
                +9
                You don’t understand anything, or don’t want to understand ... The technologies embedded in the S-400 air defense system that Putin actually gives NATO to study today are much more expensive than the entire Coca-Cola company and all Turkish tavernas combined, I’m not saying that this kind of air defense system is a matter of national security
                1. Muvka
                  Muvka 29 December 2017 14: 24 New
                  +5
                  How famously you jump from question to question. Do you know what an "export modification" is? If not, then we have nothing to talk about.
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 26 New
                    +3
                    Do you know how the United States studied the S-300 air defense system sold to the Russian Federation by NATO Greece and how highly did the US military appreciate its experience ?!
                    1. Muvka
                      Muvka 29 December 2017 14: 27 New
                      +4
                      AND? How did they rate it? Share with us, dark.
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 30 New
                        +2
                        And you read, you have the Internet ...
                    2. FLOOD
                      FLOOD 29 December 2017 16: 36 New
                      0
                      Turkey can not be compared with Greece ...
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 44 New
                        +7
                        Yes, Turkey cannot be compared with Greece ... Greece even in Chechnya did not fight against Russia, like Turkey ... But the fact that Turkey, as a NATO country, will allow the US military to study the S-400 air defense system, there is no doubt about that
              2. gavrila2984
                gavrila2984 29 December 2017 14: 23 New
                +2
                Fords, Coca-Cola - This is not anti-aircraft systems, you can not shrug off the air raid. Is it another matter whether the delivered complexes have protection against our planes being shot down and is it possible to crack it?
                1. gavrila2984
                  gavrila2984 29 December 2017 14: 48 New
                  +1
                  There are still questions who will service these complexes, train calculations, how will the Turks use them? Do they not use them against us immediately after the transfer?
                  In addition, NATO also has its graters. For example, Turkey and Greece. They’ll apply against the Greeks, I believe in it. Yes, and amersky with German planes in figs on w ... pu landed, and with our s-400 and rot in the parking lot. So the old man in the Kremlin may not be old yet. Time will tell.
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 29 December 2017 15: 35 New
                    +6
                    Time has already shown .... There is enough metro blown up in St. Petersburg, a Kirghiz, to whom an old man gave Russian citizenship, and there are still plenty of such (Kirghiz) in the Russian Federation ... sources .... Turkey will not refuse the United States to study the S-300 ... there is no doubt about it
                    1. gavrila2984
                      gavrila2984 30 December 2017 08: 25 New
                      +1
                      Well, with this logic, you need to deport a couple of million former Ukrainian citizens. And what, potential "Bandera"! The presence or absence of terrorist attacks is determined not by a change of citizenship, but by the ability of the special services to prevent them, paraphrasing Zheglov.
                      Sit in the cellar and sell nothing to anyone. No weapons, no agricultural products, no raw materials. All this, theoretically, can be used against our country, right? Well, yes, we live among, figuratively, mu..kov, but you don’t need to go to extremes and hysteria.
                      If this reassures you, our Moscow Defense Ministry is also likely to purchase and study foreign models of modern military equipment. Please help our research institutes make our technology better, do a good job.
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 30 December 2017 08: 50 New
                        0
                        With my logic in the Russian Federation, it is necessary to adopt a law on citizenship, on the model of Nepal, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, and everything will fall into place
          2. kapitan92
            kapitan92 29 December 2017 15: 19 New
            10
            Quote: Muvka
            They owe nothing for the construction of a nuclear power plant. She is our property.

            This station is not yet, so there is nothing to share. I will intervene, with your permission, in your argument.
            Russia will build Akkuyu NPP for Turkey at its own expense. The estimated payback period is 17 years. The estimated cost of construction is $ 20 billion (in practice, it may be 2 times more). That is, Russia is "investing" in the Turkish economy this money. And the prospects for return (after 17 years) are more than vague. Given the political instability and the possibility of "scam" under any pretext. It is also possible deliberate understatement of tariffs (NPPs are real estate, you cannot transfer it to another place and you will have to "sell" electricity at ANY imposed tariffs).

            At the same time, nuclear power plants are being built near the resort area, any provocation - and the local population tortures Rosatom with protests and all invested funds will never return to the country's budget.
            This is truly a gift to a "friendly" country.
            As if Turkey is not a member of NATO, it did not support separatists in the Caucasus and terrorists in Syria.

            Moreover, this project is given the highest priority.
            Russian President Vladimir Putin, meeting with Recep Erdogan, said that Moscow’s total investment in the Akkuyu nuclear power plant project being built in Turkey will amount to more than $ 20 billion.


            “We will fully finance this project, at least 25% of the funds will be used to create jobs in Turkey,” the head of state said, ITAR-TASS reports.

            “Financing comes from several sources. One of them is the federal budget of the Russian Federation, the other is banks, ”Novak said.
            Taner Yildiz, commenting on the desire of Rosatom to participate in other nuclear projects in Turkey, namely, in the construction of a second nuclear power plant in Sinop, said that Ankara is “open to any proposals.”

            “However, first of all, we will evaluate the (already filed) proposals of the four companies and after that we will make a statement,” he said. We are talking about companies in Canada, Japan, South Korea and China that previously showed interest in the design of a second nuclear power plant in Turkey and submitted their applications. Turks do not want to put eggs in one basket.
            I don’t know how profitable this project is for Russia; the term for the return of funds and the unpredictability of the “partner” are too long. Rather, it is a political curtsy, which in practice is always paid by the Russian taxpayer! hi
            1. vlad007
              vlad007 30 December 2017 02: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: kapitan92
              Russia will build Akkuyu NPP for Turkey at its own expense. Estimated payback period - 17 years. The estimated cost of construction is 20 billion dollars (in practice, it can be up to 2 times).

              1. Nuclear power plants will not be built at the expense of Russia. 20% ($ 4 billion) of the cost is paid by Russia, and the remaining 80% ($ 16 billion) by Turkish investors.
              2. Of the $ 20 billion dollars, the cost of nuclear power plants 30% ($ 6 billion) is the cost of construction, the Turks will build under our control, and 70% ($ 14 billion) is the cost of equipment. The equipment will be exclusively Russian. Thus, having invested $ 4 billion dollars, we receive orders for equipment for $ 14 billion. This is a very profitable deal that will allow loading Rosatom enterprises for several years and giving a huge ($ 6 billion) package of orders for Turkish builders.
              1. Town Hall
                Town Hall 30 December 2017 08: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: vlad007
                Nuclear power plants will not be built at the expense of Russia. 20% ($ 4 billion) of the cost is paid by Russia, and the remaining 80% ($ 16 billion) is Turkish investors.



                Do not smack nonsense .. it hurts. The terms of this contract are in the public domain. And their analysis by specialists too. Do not write these numbers from the ceiling
                1. vlad007
                  vlad007 30 December 2017 09: 17 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  Do not smack nonsense .. it hurts.

                  I give a link to the source:
                  http://geoenergetics.ru/2017/08/24/aes-akkuyu-sen
                  sacionnyj-proekt-atomnoj- energetiki /

                  "The intergovernmental agreement stipulates that for Akkuyu, the share of state financing from Russia will amount to only 20%, everything else should be" extracted "by any other means and methods"
                  1. Town Hall
                    Town Hall 30 December 2017 09: 35 New
                    +1
                    Quote: vlad007
                    I give a link to the source:




                    http://www.proatom.ru/modules.php?name=News&f
                    ile = article & sid = 3715
                    1. vlad007
                      vlad007 30 December 2017 10: 25 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      http://www.proatom.ru/modules.php?name=News&f
                      ile = article & sid = 3715


                      "[18 / 04 / 2012] All risks of the Akkuyu NPP project. Quick reference "

                      This is an old article, it is from April 18 to 2012 of the year. You have to be careful!

              2. Nemesis
                Nemesis 30 December 2017 09: 11 New
                0
                As for the nuclear power plant, you are lying, the Russian Federation is building it, and nobody will return the Russian Federation on credit, which is most likely ... This is an anti-Russian sabotage from Kirienko ...
        2. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 29 December 2017 14: 20 New
          +9
          As old Machiavelli used to say: "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer."
      2. Icarus
        Icarus 29 December 2017 18: 46 New
        +5
        And if we consider what margins in the military industry, this means that we will receive an amount of money equal to the cost of production, or even more. And the rest of the money will come to us with interest

        And when will "we" get 2 billion US dollars, which magically appeared on the accounts of cellist Roldugin? Maybe then the S-400 would not have to be sold? Just shake for the moshna friends of the Supreme.
      3. Town Hall
        Town Hall 30 December 2017 08: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Muvka
        If you studied the issue, you would know that they give half of the money immediately and in cash from their pocket. And if you consider what margins in the military industry, it means



        And what are the margins in the military industry?
    3. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 29 December 2017 14: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Nemesis
      because they do not repay loans to Russia.

      Well, what Russian loans did not repay?
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 02 New
        +8
        Putin first granted a loan of $ 750 million to Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, then wrote off it, then donated another 12 Mi-35 helicopters, while in the Russian Federation they fly to the Mi-24 .... It’s time for Kyrgyzstan to resign this patriot ... send, he did not understand what country he lives in ...
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 29 December 2017 14: 12 New
          +7
          "... in December 2014, Russia forgave Uzbekistan a loan debt of $ 865 million, which he received from Russia in 1992-1993. Uzbekistan in exchange for writing off this debt refused its claims for a stake in the Diamond Fund of the former USSR. "
          Quote: Nemesis
          Putin issued a loan of $ 750 million to Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, then wrote off,

          Do you have something to object to or will you continue to pour mud on Putin?
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 14 New
            +4
            How skillfully you are silent about loans issued by Putin in the 2000s and written off to them ... It will not work, everything is on social networks
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 29 December 2017 14: 19 New
              +5
              So tell us about them. Only with links.
            2. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 29 December 2017 14: 21 New
              +4
              Quote: Nemesis
              How skillfully you are silent about loans issued by Putin in the 2000s and written off to them ... It will not work, everything is on social networks

              Give an example of loans issued by Putin and not given back? Maybe you mean loans to Belarus? So she regularly extinguishes them! As they say: the facts in the studio!
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 24 New
                +4
                Belarus doesn’t extinguish anything, again you are lying ... Russia finances 2/3 of this supposedly union state, from which the Russian Federation is of no use but harm ... Minsk does not even recognize Crimea as part of the Russian Federation
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 29 December 2017 14: 27 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  Belarus does not extinguish anything, again you're lying ..

                  fool
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 31 New
                    +1
                    This is you, of course, about yourself ... I sympathize, and therefore write that GDP is the time to retire ...
                    1. SRC P-15
                      SRC P-15 29 December 2017 14: 35 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      . I sympathize, and therefore write that GDP is the time to retire.

                      As I understand it, you sympathize with pro-Western liberals, and therefore you hate Putin !?
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 38 New
                        +2
                        So Putin has everything you write about, friends and partners ... Medvedev erected a monument to Yeltsin, and Putin put a guard near him ... Sobchak should have been sent to prison under Article 280 of the Criminal Code, but Putin does not, apparently remembering friendships with her stepfather ...
                2. INTER
                  INTER 29 December 2017 14: 50 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  Minsk does not even recognize Crimea as part of the Russian Federation

                  So maybe it doesn’t need to be recognized, if it didn’t recognize there would be an agreement on Minsk, no matter how cool Belarus is our platform and we are dancing it and it should be neutral, and so what benefit would Russia recognize if it recognizes Crimea? If Belarus would not be Poland or someone else, but this is not good. Plus, because of this, we received some sanctioned goods, bypassing our and their sanctions.
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 29 December 2017 15: 36 New
                    +3
                    Belarus is the same Ukraine and it will show itself, don’t hesitate ... Lukashenko has already banned St. George’s ribbon, instead of it a ribbon in the colors of the national flag, with a flower of an apple tree ... Even the film Crimea in Belarus is forbidden ...
                    1. INTER
                      INTER 29 December 2017 16: 01 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      Belarus is the same Ukraine and it will show itself, don’t hesitate ... Lukashenko has already banned St. George’s ribbon, instead of it a ribbon in the colors of the national flag, with a flower of an apple tree ... Even the film Crimea in Belarus is forbidden ..

                      Any region of Russia can be Ukraine by analogy, everything needs to be monitored, and Ukraine has been launched, maybe by accident, or maybe on purpose, the GDP on this subject has subtly pinned: "I hope that Ukraine will someday reunite with Russia, not territorially, but culturally anyway".
                      Ps who need that he understood.
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 14 New
                        +2
                        You can follow in the Russian Federation, but in a foreign country they will simply send you, as they regularly send today, regularly recalling their independence ... Such as you wrote about Ukraine just recently, for which it would not hurt to ask such people in court today, for money from the budget of the Russian Federation invested in Ukraine, to the detriment of the Russian Federation ...
            3. You Vlad
              You Vlad 29 December 2017 15: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: Nemesis
              How skillfully you are silent about loans issued by Putin in the 2000s and written off to them ... It will not work, everything is on social networks

              Is that you Grudin? Again patriot x poured mud on Russia! Well, isn’t it embarrassing for him to be Russian, is there something to be ashamed for? laughing
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 29 December 2017 15: 39 New
                +5
                1) I don’t know either you or Grudin, and I don’t want to know ... 2) Russia was before Putin, it will be after him ... but for people like you, Russia is a cash cow, and Rodina your bank accounts in London .. .
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 29 December 2017 15: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  1) I do not know either you or Grudin and I do not want to know ...

                  Yes, don’t, one of your teams received money from the State Department and bred like cockroaches here! You criticize a lot here, they answered you in detail what are you saying .... so you wiped yourself further, but already another topic! winkSo you tell me why you are not ashamed to be Russian? I'm proud that I'm Russian!
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 15 New
                    +5
                    Well, the thing is clear, all (patriots) of Russia today have bank accounts in London ... For me, Russia is not you and not Putin ...
                    1. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 29 December 2017 16: 21 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      Russia today with bank accounts in London ... For me, Russia, it's not you and not Putin ...

                      So you explain that you are not ashamed to be Russian? sad
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 23 New
                        +5
                        For me, Chubais is a foreign criminal in the Russian Federation, but for you, almost a brother ... We have different things (Russia)
                    2. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 29 December 2017 16: 27 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      For me, Chubais is a foreign criminal in the Russian Federation, but for you, almost a brother ... We have different things (Russia)

                      All clear what communicate with you that play in a damaged phone.
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 46 New
                        +3
                        And I don’t want to talk with adherents of the United Russia party and with PR agencies working for this party
          2. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 29 December 2017 14: 25 New
            +9
            The topic of loans is good. Striped half the world should for their own weapons, so they all bend ....
            International politics of Russia at the proper level, with the prospect of ....
            Putin's Black Sea endgame is played well ...
            1. Nemesis
              Nemesis 30 December 2017 08: 53 New
              0
              In the Kremlin, scoop thinking, a scoop is not the United States ... Putin can only write off loans to foreigners
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 29 December 2017 14: 03 New
      +7
      In the national currency of the manufacturer, to bypass sanctions from the United States against the Turkish Ministry of Defense. 56 billion rubles were paid immediately, and 84 billion rubles on credit.
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 21: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Nemesis
      The stupidity of the Kremlin rolls over ...

      I understand that you are a great strategist and politician
      Quote: Nemesis
      Not only are they selling to the country of NATO, which supported Islamic militants in Chechnya, the latest air defense system

      so they sell and don’t give, besides you’ll be surprised but the Russian Federation is profitable both economically and politically
      Quote: Nemesis
      In captivity, you think about treason ... As there is in Gaidai - They say the king is not real ...

      one wants to recall another scene from a guy
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 31 December 2017 12: 14 New
        +1
        Selling NATO's latest S-400 air defense system is beneficial only to enemies of the people
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2017 12: 30 New
          +2
          and why such an opinion ?!
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 31 December 2017 12: 32 New
            0
            If you read more and write less, you would not ask such questions ... Read about the sale of NATO Greece S-300 air defense systems, it says how the United States military studied this system in Greece, in Turkey there will be one hundred pounds
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2017 13: 34 New
              +2
              in my life I probably read about two or three more than yours, but if you were also considering what your “teachers” were saying to you, then you would know that there are weapons for domestic consumption and for export
              in addition, arms trade is very beneficial for Russia
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  2. dorz
    dorz 29 December 2017 13: 52 New
    0
    Turks were disappointed, counting on licensed production of S-400
  3. Wolverine
    Wolverine 29 December 2017 13: 53 New
    +8
    What is credit again? And today I want to eat ... belay
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 December 2017 13: 57 New
    +3
    Who else will be given weapons for our light, which they will then use against us?
  5. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 29 December 2017 14: 03 New
    +8
    ... and on the other part will take a loan from Moscow.
    And will return the loan tomatoes? Turkey is a completely solvent country. $ 2 billion is not such an unbearable amount. Why step on the rake again?
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 11 New
      +6
      So I don’t understand when Putin’s gifts to foreign countries will end .... In Russia, are there any problems?
      1. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 29 December 2017 15: 05 New
        +1
        Is there no problem in Russia?
        And one of them is that we can trade little because of sanctions. No, Well, raw materials can of course ...
        1. Nemesis
          Nemesis 29 December 2017 15: 40 New
          +4
          You can also sell gasoline on boards, but this is not with the United Russia party, which prefers to trade only with raw materials ...
  6. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 29 December 2017 14: 13 New
    +5
    What kind of nagging was there? selling weapons on credit is a common practice, Turkey is solvent, it is not Kyrgyzstan or Uzbekistan
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 15 New
      +5
      Turkey is a NATO country, and giving NATO the latest air defense system is already a crime
      1. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 30 December 2017 08: 30 New
        +1
        S-400 ten years already the latest
        1. Nemesis
          Nemesis 30 December 2017 09: 13 New
          0
          Look when they did the Petriot SAM ...
          1. gavrila2984
            gavrila2984 30 December 2017 11: 29 New
            0
            Well, since 82 years in service, so what?
            1. Nemesis
              Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 15 New
              0
              And the fact that the Petriot air defense system is periodically modernized and is not considered obsolete ... And the S-400 air defense system, in your own words, is only 10 years old ....
  7. ADmA_RUS
    ADmA_RUS 29 December 2017 14: 27 New
    +6
    Whiners delight.
    1. A significant part of the sale of weapons in the world goes on credit.
    2. Credit in rubles is very, very good. And inflation reduces and increases the influence of the ruble.
    3. That is why the Chinese, even having joint production in the auto industry, cannot repeat Japanese and even Korean cars? Do not know? So why are you whining?
    4. Our complex is with the Turks, it is a bunch of secret information about them.
    You can find the fifth and sixth. But, what's the point, whiners do not want to think, the main thing for them to poke.
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 33 New
      +5
      For the Russian Federation, loans to foreigners are bad, because there are many of their unsolved problems that the Russian government stubbornly does not notice ...
  8. gukoyan
    gukoyan 29 December 2017 14: 27 New
    +4
    Well, stupid ... In short, they gave part of the money, then they will say the crisis, there is no money, here you have the tomatoes ...
    1. 16112014nk
      16112014nk 30 December 2017 13: 04 New
      0
      This option is the most real. And then they will tell us: well, let's get into the position of our Turkish "partners", let's tighten the belt a little more. Zadolbala this anti-people government.
  9. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 29 December 2017 14: 40 New
    0
    What is signed does not mean buy, it’s pointless to count on these.
  10. q75agent
    q75agent 29 December 2017 15: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Shahno
    I completely agree. You just train the IDF and maybe someone else from the alliance.
    But on the other hand, Turkey is a key player. And getting her is expensive. On compliance with the fin. do not dream of arrangements.

    and what will these training give? If there is a war, then according to FIG it will be: your F-35s or our S-400s are better, Poplars, Ash-trees and Minutmen will decide everything .....
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 25 New
      +5
      They didn’t fight in Korea and Vietnam in the Topol ... Selling the latest S-400 air defense system to NATO country is a crime against Russia ...
  11. Young_Communist
    Young_Communist 29 December 2017 16: 10 New
    +8
    Turkey and Russia signed a loan agreement for the purchase of S-400

    Truly, with GDP, the brain swam with Botox and it turned into a sucker, which merges the praised C300 into the NATO country, and even for our money, and even with the prospect that Dogan would use them against the “terrorist” Assad.

    The only thing. the logical, but much sadder explanation, that they never knocked anyone down and encircled near Shayrat and all over Syria (which mattresses, Jews, Turks and all who are not lazy to bomb every day with hooting), the S-300 fit and Putin throws Dogan on the loot, pushing him junk.
    1. Icarus
      Icarus 29 December 2017 19: 04 New
      +2
      This is even worse than you think. Turkey is "poured" not by the S-300 (like Iran, for example), but by the S-400 (with slightly "strangled" functions), which in Russia are not 100% provided.
  12. q75agent
    q75agent 29 December 2017 16: 34 New
    +3
    Quote: Nemesis
    ..Selling to the NATO country the latest S-400 air defense system, this is a crime against Russia ...

    I do not argue with this statement, the question is different .... who is the president and government of the Russian Federation then .... ???
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 30 December 2017 08: 55 New
      0
      The answer is obvious ...
  13. INTER
    INTER 29 December 2017 16: 38 New
    0
    Nemesis,
    Something America sits everywhere and no one can send it.
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 49 New
      +2
      So America ... America, a chip that’s not what it suits, a coup d'etat, even General De Gaulle, was able to overthrow in France, but the Russian Federation is far from that, there is no political will, no specialists, and above all, the will in the Kremlin and Ukraine that is a vivid example ... And Kazakhstan and Belarus have not gone far and will show themselves ... Lukashenko even banned the film Crimea in Belarus ... which is very eloquent about where this republic is moving and what Russia should expect from it .. .
      1. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 30 December 2017 08: 35 New
        +1
        Chef, Everything is gone !!!
        1. Nemesis
          Nemesis 30 December 2017 08: 54 New
          0
          All or not, but the king says not real ...
          1. gavrila2984
            gavrila2984 30 December 2017 11: 25 New
            +1
            They say chickens are milked ...
            1. Nemesis
              Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 17 New
              0
              That's why there is no milk, because some chickens milk .... The milkmaid needs another ... who will distinguish the chicken from the cow, and the Russian Federation from the independent republics of the scoop and NATO countries ...
  14. Seal
    Seal 29 December 2017 17: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: fa2998
    Moreover, Turkey, the eternal enemy of Russia.

    Provocateur? It's like Mexico - the eternal enemy of the United States, right?
  15. Seal
    Seal 29 December 2017 17: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Nemesis
    For Russia, loans to foreigners is bad

    Something I never saw you protest against granting loans to Armenia.
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 30 December 2017 08: 55 New
      0
      And I always protest against loans to foreigners ... The Russian Federation is full of its problems ...
  16. Seal
    Seal 29 December 2017 17: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Give an example of loans issued by Putin and not given back?

    Has Armenia returned anything to us?
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 19 New
      0
      I am against gifts to any independent countries of the former scoop ... In the Russian Federation there are a lot of problems ...
  17. Seal
    Seal 29 December 2017 17: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: Nemesis
    .And that Turkey, as a country of NATO

    What are you all .. NATO member, NATO member. And who you put Turkey in NATO do not want to remember? Turkey has been our friend since 1920. The principled position of Turkey on the issue of straits in 1941-1945 rendered us tremendous help in the Great Patriotic War. During the war, aircraft and ships of the Black Sea Fleet sank about 25 Turkish ships, mainly fishing vessels, apparently mistaking them for German submarines going on the surface. And for all this, in the summer of 1945, we put forward territorial claims to Turkey. Zacheeeemmmmm !!!!
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    2. Nemesis
      Nemesis 30 December 2017 08: 59 New
      0
      You need to learn before writing like this ... Turkey supplied Hitler with ore and was planning to attack the USSR if the Germans took Moscow and Turkey was never a friend of Russia, it’s the custom in the CPSU to distribute the national property of Russia to the scoop republics, then to foreign countries. ..One Comintern plundered so much Russian money for world revolutions that the famine began in Russia ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 20: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Nemesis
        You need to learn before writing this ...

        Quote: Nemesis
        The Comintern plundered so much Russian money for world revolutions that the famine began in Russia ...

        you read the first, you read the second and there is a terrible dissonance
  18. L10n77
    L10n77 29 December 2017 23: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Seal
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Give an example of loans issued by Putin and not given back?

    Has Armenia returned anything to us?

    Of course she returned, Armenians - there were so many of them along the Black Sea coast.
  19. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 29 December 2017 23: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Muvka
    We also have strained relations with the USA, but this somehow does not interfere with the production of Ford, Coca-Cola and the rest. Do you think that in our country there are no Turkish enterprises? And nothing.

    Coca-Cola is sacred for our effective thieves! But our national money in Western banks - so ... a trifle ... a consumable.
  20. Evkur
    Evkur 30 December 2017 00: 57 New
    0

    Here are the fruits of European tolerance!
  21. gavrila2984
    gavrila2984 30 December 2017 15: 47 New
    0
    Nemesis,
    And to restore the monarchy as KSA, Nepal and Qatar?
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 18 New
      0
      In the Russian Federation and now the monarchy and the Communist Party was a monarchy, so there is nothing to restore, long ago restored ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2017 18: 27 New
        0
        Are you against the monarchy? !!!
        then what are you for?
        do not like a scoop, RF too
  22. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 30 December 2017 21: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Nemesis
    Not only are they selling the air defense system to NATO

    Leaving Turkey from NATO, against the will of the US State Department, plus moving away from the dollar (which Russia is striving for). Leaving (from under the influence of the United States) virtually the entire Middle East.
    PS. If Turkey bought Patriot, then the dollars would return to the United States, without increasing their debt.

    Quote: Nemesis
    and not for money, but consider it a gift, because the loans of Russia do not repay

    1. In general, all major transactions are executed on credit, there are almost no exceptions.
    2. Turkey loan repayment guarantee - almost 100%, this is not a "small" country if you are not in the know.
    3. On the repayment of such loans - we will be paid a percentage higher than we keep money in US bonds, so this is also beneficial.
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 31 December 2017 12: 16 New
      +1
      There are no guarantees for the repayment of the RF loan by Turkey, it is a NATO country, relations with which are on the brink of war after Chechnya and Syria
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2017 12: 33 New
        0
        did you read the contract?
        1. Nemesis
          Nemesis 31 December 2017 12: 35 New
          0
          Judging by what you write, you don’t know how to read or don’t want to, and therefore goodbye .... I’m tired of reading your epics in which there is no common sense
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2017 19: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Nemesis
            . I'm tired of reading your epics, in which there is no common sense

            I understand that you are a child and the meanings of many words just do not understand that I am talking about EPOS
            Quote: Nemesis
            Judging by the fact that you write, you do not know how to read, or do not want, and therefore, goodbye ....

            Once again you claim that there is no guarantee of return, you have read the contract
            1. Nemesis
              Nemesis 3 January 2018 20: 09 New
              0
              There is nothing in you but arrogance and narcissism ... Sadly, for you ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 3 January 2018 22: 05 New
                0
                can you answer a direct question ?!
                read the contract, YES or NO? !!!
  23. keeper03
    keeper03 31 December 2017 18: 10 New
    +1
    I don’t understand something, Turkey is a poor country, what do we give her a loan to buy the Triumphs ?! Erdogan in vain is oil laundering in Syria, is there absolutely no money ??! request This is just some kind of criminal stupidity !!! fool
    1. ADmA_RUS
      ADmA_RUS 31 December 2017 19: 02 New
      0
      What can I say. I agree. If you don’t know in particular how weapons are sold all over the world, and at the same time you are discussing this issue, then yes criminal
  24. FLOOD
    FLOOD 3 January 2018 07: 24 New
    0
    Nemesis,
    Well, if you are sure that Turkey fought in Chechnya against the Russian Federation, then you should know that the S-400 was presented to the Turks just for that fool
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 3 January 2018 20: 07 New
      +1
      I know that not only Turkey, but also Azerbaijan fought against Chechnya in Russia, and the proof of this was destroyed by helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the military transport aircraft of the Azerbaijani Air Force at Grozny Airport, which supplied Dudaev’s fighters with weapons, ammunition and new bandits ... And I also know about pogroms in Baku, on national grounds ... Do not consider yourself the most intelligent, gracious sovereign ... The price of the Soviet national authorities in Russia has long been well known ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 January 2018 22: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Nemesis
        The price of Soviet nationalities in Russia has long been well known ...

        yes they know



      2. FLOOD
        FLOOD 4 January 2018 08: 00 New
        +1
        That's right, we also fought against the Russian Federation in Chechnya, and we blew up the Moscow subway in January 1977, and that’s why we are selling the Russian T-90, BMP-3, Tornadoes, Solntsepeki and S-300, exactly the same as S-400 to the Turks. Well, here we are, we have our own people in the Kremlin! laughing I will please you, the first export to the S-500 will also be ours!
        1. Nemesis
          Nemesis 4 January 2018 09: 40 New
          +1
          The Soviet nationalities also blew up the underground in Moscow, just like the same one, recently blew up the metro in St. Petersburg ... They would have blown up their mothers something so that people like them would not be born anymore ....
  25. FLOOD
    FLOOD 4 January 2018 08: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Nemesis
    I know that not only Turkey, but also Azerbaijan fought against Chechnya in Russia, and the proof of this was destroyed by helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the military transport aircraft of the Azerbaijani Air Force at Grozny Airport, which supplied Dudaev’s fighters with weapons, ammunition and new bandits ... And I also know about pogroms in Baku, on national grounds ... Do not consider yourself the most intelligent, gracious sovereign ... The price of the Soviet national authorities in Russia has long been well known ...


    About the nationalities and do not stutter ...
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 4 January 2018 09: 33 New
      0
      After the Nazis called the Ukrainian embassy and knocked on the Russian army, after the FSB arrested a colonel of the Russian armed forces, a Georgian by nationality, for espionage in favor of Georgia, in 2008, after Ukraine met Hitler with flowers, and Azerbaijan fought on the side of Dudaev against the Russian Federation, it’s not worthwhile to open your mouth to the national scoop, it’s not trustworthy ... I'm not talking about the fact that in Russia they drive with the flags of their countries independent of the Russian Federation in cars ... and in scoop republics organized pogroms of the Russian population, on national grounds ... A foreign patriot should not live in the Russian Federation ... A US citizen, receiving US citizenship, vows to protect the United States with weapons in his hands, including from his historical homeland, if it migrant ... Russia turned into a passage yard, for foreigners to whom Russia is a stranger, so they knock, calling them in embassies (Ukraine and Georgia) and this is not right ... this is a problem that needs to be solved ...
  26. Seal
    Seal 9 January 2018 18: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Nemesis
    Turkey supplied Hitler with ore and was planning to attack the USSR if the Germans took Moscow, and Turkey was never a friend of Russia

    I cannot but note that I respect your position regarding the fact that
    it’s in the CPSU that they are used to handing out the national treasure of Russia to the scoop republics, then to foreign states ...
    and to a number of other positions, but at the same time I cannot but note that with fundamental knowledge of history you have huge gaps.
    1. Turkey, to be honest, de jure supplied ore to France (Government in Vichy) and Italy. And so they transferred the ore to Germany. For even before the Second World War, England, France and Italy (which did not yet know that it would be Hitler's ally in the Second World War, or perhaps acting in the interests of Germany), concluded an agreement with Turkey under which these three countries redeem all Turkish chrome ore 5 years in advance. So that Germany does not have anything left. But when France surrendered, the new government of France gave its share to Germany. Well, it goes without saying that Italy also transferred a significant part of Turkish chrome ore from its share to Germany.
    By the way, England received its share of Turkish chrome ore throughout the war uninterruptedly.

    Yes, but doesn’t it bother you that the entire first third of World War II was the USSR as the main supplier of all kinds of minerals and food for Nazi Germany? The last train with grain crossed the Soviet-German border 2 hours before the start of the war.
    And the fact that the Soviet Union until the end of 1944 traded with Japan? Moreover, until the end of 1944, Japanese concessions operated on our northern part of Sakhalin Island. The Japanese mined there, in our part of Sakhalin, coal, oil, wood and much more that they needed for the war. And neither the Americans, who from December 6, 1941, fought to the death with the Japanese, nor the British expressed any complaints to us.

    Turkey was going to attack if the Germans take Moscow? Really? In fact, people like you say that Turkey was going to attack if the Germans took Stalingrad. But neither one nor the other has real evidence. What does it mean - going? What were these “gatherings” expressed? And what does "Turkey going" mean? Yes, someone in Turkey would be happy with Hitler's victory. But there were many such people in England and the USA. Yes, and what a sin to hide - and in the USSR too. So what ? They did not determine the policy.
    For example, I once would not mind entering into a relationship with an English princess. So what ? Is it possible on this basis to conclude that the USSR wanted to fuck Princess Diana?
    In fact, Turkey was completely not going to attack us. On the contrary. We need to be grateful to Turkey for its worthy and courageous behavior during the Second World War. Because during the war, not a single Italian warship, not a single German submarine passed through the straits to the Black Sea. Despite all the pressure of Hitler and Mussolini. For operations in the Black Sea, the Germans had to deliver six obsolete small submarines of the second series (U-9, U-18, U-19, U-20, U-23 and U-24) to deliver this: In the Dresden-Ubigau region, where the Elbe the constructed motorway (Reichsautobahn) crosses, the boats were lifted onto special platforms with wide wheels that moved at a speed of 8 km / h by four successively coupled heavy tractors to Ingolstadt for about 300 kilometers. Upon arrival, the hulls were removed from the loading platforms and lowered onto barges in the Danube River. In the same way or approximately the same way, other warships and boats of Germany and Italy fell into the Black Sea. For the entire war, only on 9. VII 1941 only an old unarmed German tugboat Seefalke passed to the Black Sea, then hoisted the auxiliary flag Kriegsmarine in the Black Sea and in August 1941 one Italian tanker Tarvisio, also declared as commercial vessel. But the tanker pretty soon went back to the Mediterranean Sea. Please note that the Montreux Convention did not oblige Turkey to close the straits for the passage of warships even of warring countries. The Motreux Convention granted Turkey such a right. And Turkey voluntarily exercised this right. She announced that she was closing the straits for the passage of all warships during the military operations in the Black Sea. This decision was in our hands since our Black Sea Fleet from the Black Sea was not going to go anywhere. But this decision of Turkey was like a sickle in one place to the Germans and Italians. Can you imagine how much worse our situation would have been if an Italian battleship with an escort squadron — 1941-1942 cruisers and 2-3 destroyers — had appeared in the Black Sea in 5 or 6? And also at least 5 German submarines of new types? And with full domination in the air of German aviation! Yes, I don’t even want to think! For its part, Turkey showed enormous endurance not only when she stood stomping with the feet of Hitler and Mussolini, but also enormous endurance and understanding towards us. Unfortunately, our Black Sea Fleet and aircraft during the war drowned it seems 26 Turkish ships, mostly fishing. Taking them for German submarines in the water. Turks were limited to standard diplomatic notes. Most of which we did not even answer.
    Unfortunately, immediately after the war, we answered Turkey with black ingratitude - we decided to take part of the territory from it. And moreover, the Turks were even ready to give us the territories we required. But then the unexpected happened. The cries of joy from Yerevan were so loud that they quickly reached the ears of Tbilisi. And the Georgians were outraged by the fact that over 80% of the territories seized from Turkey should be withdrawn by the Armenian SSR. Tbilisi demanded to significantly increase its share, somewhere up to 60%. Yerevan categorically objected. The question of sharing the skins of an still-killed bear was considered in the Politburo. But while it was considered, Japan capitulated. After the surrender of Japan, the United States and England no longer needed us. And they gave guarantees of the territorial integrity of Turkey. That is, we ourselves pushed Turkey away from us and pushed it into the arms of the United States and England. And then Turkey is clear that it has entered the NATO bloc.
    It was then, in 1945, when the Soviet Union brought ideological justification for the exclusion of Turkish territories, political workers and the idea was thrown to accuse Turkey of “thought crime”. Like, Turkey "intended" to allegedly attack us if the Germans took Stalingrad.
    1. genisis
      genisis 9 January 2018 18: 52 New
      0
      Turkey was going to attack if the Germans take Moscow? Really? In fact, people like you say that Turkey was going to attack if the Germans took Stalingrad. But neither one nor the other has real evidence.

      After Germany’s aggression against the Soviet Union, the Turkish government officially declared its neutrality, but a number of measures taken by Ankara prove that Turkey was actually a satellite of Nazi Germany during the war. As the German ambassador Franz von Papen reported to his government, Turkish President Mustafa Ismet Inönyu assured him at the beginning of 1942 that "Turkey is highly interested in the destruction of the Russian colossus." When taking office as prime minister in August 1942, Shyukryu Sarajoglu told Papen that “as a Turk, he longs for the destruction of Russia” and that “the Russian problem can be solved by Germany only if at least half of all living in Russian Russians "[German politics in Turkey (1941-1943). Documents of the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Vol. P. M., Gospoddizdat, 1946, p. 98].
      After their visit to the Crimea in 1941, Turkish generals Ali Fuad Erden and Hussein Husnu Erkilet traveled to Wolfschants and discussed various strategies for waging war against the USSR with Hitler, in which Turkey played an important role. The territory of Turkey was actively used by fascist Germany for air espionage, the transfer of its agents, sabotage and reconnaissance groups and special airborne landing forces to the territory of the Caucasus region.
      The situation was most tense in the summer of 1942, after the start of the German offensive on Stalingrad and the Caucasus. A general mobilization was carried out, the armed forces of Turkey reached a strength of one million people. With the start of the battle for Stalingrad, about 750 thousand Turkish soldiers were pulled to the Soviet border. Expecting the imminent defeat of the USSR, Turkey also took measures of an internal character. On November 11, 1942, under the pretext of "Turkization" of the economy, a property tax was introduced ("warlis vergisi"), according to which non-Muslims (Armenians, Greeks, Jews and Levantines) had to pay five times more than Muslims. Since Christian and Jewish families were required to pay in cash amounts commensurate with or even exceeding the total value of the property of these families, this led to their complete ruin. The property of taxpayers, including furniture and household utensils, was confiscated and sold for nothing, and able-bodied men from such families were arrested and sent to forced labor (stone mining, road construction, mining mines).
      The last attempt to keep Turkey in the sphere of German influence was the visit of Turkish generals and staff officers to the Eastern Front and the English Channel on June 25 - July 7, 1943. In the presence of German field marshal Erich von Manstein, the Turkish delegation led by the chairman of the Turkish National Defense Committee, Jemil Jahit Toidemir, demonstrated the maneuvers of the tank divisions concentrated in the Kharkov-Belgorod area prepared for the attack on Kursk.
      From Belgorod, the Turks arrived in Wolfschants, where Toidemir held a lengthy meeting with Hitler and Keitel. To enhance the impression of the maneuvers of tank divisions on the Eastern Front, the Turkish delegation was invited to the English Channel to inspect the heavily fortified points of the Atlantic Wall. But, as you know, Hitler's window dressing did not save Germany from defeat, and the Turkish hyena, with its cunning and expectant tactics, quickly joined the ranks of the anti-fascist coalition. February 23, 1945 Turkey formally declared war on Germanyto become one of the founding countries of the United Nations (together with Yugoslavia). The very Yugoslavia, which Germany and Turkey, and by no means formally, was slaughtered alive fifty years later ...
  27. Seal
    Seal 11 January 2018 19: 42 New
    +1
    Well, again, the plug for each barrel with another portion of its New Year’s syndrome drew.
    First about it.
    Quote: genisis
    Documents of the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Vol. P. M., Gospoddizdat, 1946, p. 98].

    Gospoddizdat ??? laughing laughing laughing
    Does anyone doubt that Ribbentrop (that is, for transmission to the Führer), employees of the German embassies and missions reported what they (Ribbentrop and the Führer) would be pleased to hear. And for what it will be possible to receive orders and prizes. In the same way, alas, many representatives of our embassies and missions did in the preparation of reports to Moscow.
    And secondly, it’s not at all a fact that this was exactly what was written in German documents. For Gospolitizdat (!!!) in 1946 and in later times had a specific task - to represent Turkey as an accomplice of Nazi Germany. And the task set by the party and the government must be accomplished in any way.

    Quote: genisis
    After their visit to the Crimea in 1941, Turkish generals Ali Fuad Erden and Hussein Husnu Erkilet traveled to Wolfschants and discussed various strategies for waging war against the USSR with Hitler, in which Turkey played an important role.

    Did Hitler tell you this?
    Or Turkish generals Ali Fuad Erden and Hussein Husnu Erkilet?

    Quote: genisis
    The situation was most tense in the summer of 1942, after the start of the German offensive on Stalingrad and the Caucasus. A general mobilization was carried out, the armed forces of Turkey reached a strength of one million people. With the start of the battle for Stalingrad, about 750 thousand Turkish soldiers were pulled to the Soviet border.

    Whose situation has become tense? In your head?
    Turkey twice had reason to increase the number of troops on our border.
    First founding: on March 12, 1942, the commander of the Transcaucasian Military District I. Tyulenev gathered the first secretaries of the Transcaucasian republics at his meeting. What they talked about is unknown, but on March 13, Tyulenev signed an order to hold a headquarters military game to test the offensive on the enemy’s defense in mountainous conditions. The section "Design of the operation" indicates that "the Transcaucasian Front goes on the offensive against Turkey, having the immediate task of concentrating with two armies to destroy the enemy’s Kars". Next, it was planned to reach the border of the cities of Erzurum and Trabzon. A month and a half later, on April 25, Tyulenev arrived at the meeting at Headquarters for the Supreme Commander. In addition to Stalin, Beria, Malenkov, Mikoyan (apparently the main pusher of this idea), Marshal Shaposhnikov, his deputy Pavel Bodin, Air Force Commander Alexander Novikov and Yakov Fedorenko in charge of the tank troops were present there. The outcome of the meeting was the Bet Directive of April 26, ordering to seriously strengthen the troops of the district. The Transcaucasian District received one rifle and one cavalry division, a tank corps and two separate tank brigades, six artillery regiments and Katyusha guard mortars, six aviation regiments and six armored trains. The transfer of troops was supposed to end by early June. The Transcaucasian District on May 1 was officially transformed into the Transcaucasian Front (ours have not yet launched an attack on Kharkov, Rostov-on-Don was ours).

    2) The second foundation.
    But the rapid German attack on Stalingrad and the foothills of the Caucasus made plans to attack Turkey abandoned. As early as June 7, 1942, the Stavka ordered the Transcaucasian Front to cover Makhachkala from the north, and subsequently its troops defended the Black Sea coast and the Caucasus passes. As a result, in July 1942, the entire Transcaucasian front turned to face the Germans and, accordingly, their backs to Turkey. To the front, to protect the passes from the rear, everyone was scrapped - scribes, and hairdressers and grooms, and so on. That is, against the supposedly gathering misfortune of Turkey there were only one full-time border guard detachments, and even those pretty thinned out, since L.P. Beria took people to the defense of the North Caucasus passes.
    So in July-August 1942 we were perfectly informed that Turkey had no plans to attack us.
    So what do we blame for Turkey? Where does smoke come from if there was no fire? And the smoke comes from Turkey’s statement to Germany. The statement was. But it was about the fact that if Germany nevertheless manages to break through into the Transcaucasus (that is, our front will collapse), then Turkey will not remain on the sidelines and will take protection of the inhabitants of Transcaucasia, primarily residents of the Muslim faith. That is, Turkey warned Germany that if the Germans break through to Baku, then the Turks will occupy Baku faster than the Germans. And the Germans themselves will not be allowed into Baku. In fact, it was almost a declaration of war in Germany. Moreover, it was clearly done under pressure from England and the United States, which certainly did not want the Germans to receive the Baku oil fields. And we perverted this statement so that supposedly Turkey together with Germany wanted to take Transcaucasia for itself.
    And further. But you did not forget that the German Felmi Corps was in the German forces advancing in the Caucasus, in which soldiers and officers knew the Arabic language. And you didn’t forget (or didn’t you know ??) that this corps was not going to stop at the Soviet-Turkish border at all if German troops were successful in the Caucasus?

    In the spring of 1941, when German troops marched to Greece, the bulk of the Turkish troops was concentrated in Thrace. What for ? What, did the Turks want to help the Germans take over Greece? Not !! So that the Germans do not succumb to the temptation to capture Turkey as well.
    And in 1942, when the Germans began to approach the borders of Turkey from the USSR, it is logical that Turkey began to concentrate troops on its eastern borders.
    What is the problem ? Why are you denying Turkey the legal right to prudently organize the defense of their own borders ??