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The West helps the Ukrainian army to get rid of Soviet traditions

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Canada has recently approved the delivery of arms to Kiev, the United States can follow its example, but do not forget that for the past 2 years, specialists from these two countries have been training soldiers of the Ukrainian army, the French newspaper Le Figaro writes. Article leads InoTV.




““ The first squad, here, is being built! The second is there. The translators, let's go, ”commanding the senior sergeant of the 45 th Infantry Brigade of the Oklahoma National Guard, Jeff Leggett. In the meantime, his charges “neutralize the enemy” in the house, in a strange way reminiscent of Donbass, even though he is more than a thousand kilometers away, ”the newspaper reports.

Everything is here to learn. Tomorrow there will be exercises again, twice, three times. In the wild,
says Leggett soldiers APU. The action takes place at the Yavoriv training ground, open to NATO forces.

Many Ukrainian soldiers here are familiar with the war in the Donbass, the newspaper said.

It's never too late to learn. We still have much to do to reach the level of Americans. In particular, of course, we need new officers,
25-year-old Sergei from the 72 mechanized brigade, who participated in the battles of Slavyansk and Debaltsev, told a journalist.

In 2015, the Ukrainians asked for help - and the Canadians were the first to tell them yes. This is the fifth shift. There have already been about a thousand Canadian military. We were tasked to develop a training program for the non-commissioned officers of the Ukrainian army,
told the assistant commander of the 2 of the Canadian Mechanized Brigade, Major Jeff Day.

According to him, today Ukraine has to deal with a hybrid war, and the duty of foreign instructors is to share the experience they gained in Afghanistan.

Most of our players also have combat experience. This is a professional military, competent and eager to learn. They really want to learn, because some have seen with their own eyes how their coworkers die,
said Canadian instructor Sergeant Raul Zahara.

He noted that “according to the Russian tradition, all decisions come from the officers above, while in Canada personal initiative directly on the battlefield is highly valued.” In the meantime, “in the coming 10-15 years they (Ukrainians) are not ready to join NATO,” the sergeant adds.

Ukrainian lieutenant Vitaly Ilyk, who served in the elite 36-th separate brigade of marines, providing defense of Mariupol, admits:

It is very interesting to see how the Americans organize their work, relations with subordinates, with what enthusiasm they take on the matter. Here our military tradition of Soviet origin is absolutely out of place. In fact, there were no ranks in the Red Army that would act as intermediaries between high leadership and soldiers directly - hence alcoholism and other vices. Today we want to change the model and stop trying to bend a person under the system.


As the Americans say, the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have become more prepared.

In less than a year, I saw a significant improvement in their level of training. Their instructors and non-commissioned officers are more serious. Their leadership begins to see interest in sending the best soldiers here. It's great that they are engaged in all these transformations, while fighting in a real war,
said the officer of the 45 th Infantry Brigade of the National Guard of Oklahoma Kyle Christopher.
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  1. Shura Perm
    Shura Perm 29 December 2017 13: 32 New
    +7
    Do not give a shit about your story, a dubious achievement ... Americans will spoil their neighbors, but they will stop attacking without imported diapers and Coca-Cola ...
    1. forester
      forester 29 December 2017 13: 43 New
      21
      So they don’t even know history - the 2000th Canadian landing during the Second World War, the Germans multiplied by zero with the forces of one company — instructors are excellent among Ukrainians ... with traditions)))
      1. dorz
        dorz 29 December 2017 13: 49 New
        +3
        Ukrainians asked for help - and Canadians were the first to say yes

        Disgrace their ancestors, lacking only the Bundeswehr.
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 29 December 2017 13: 54 New
        +2
        Yes, Ukrainians themselves have the freshest precisely such traditions, so that they complement each other.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 29 December 2017 16: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: Kent0001
          Yes, Ukrainians themselves have the freshest precisely such traditions, so that they complement each other.

          That's for sure. But the most important tradition of the Soviet army was to win.
      3. Partyzan
        Partyzan 29 December 2017 13: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: forester
        So they don’t even know history

        that's why their sergeants teach
    2. Finches
      Finches 29 December 2017 13: 46 New
      20
      We need to restore our bases in Cuba, open a training center in Nicaragua - and give similar interviews to our military instructors, who say that the Nicaraguans over the month of training as our marines look at ji-ai as a complete city ... In diplomacy, this will be called parity! And Western Ukraine is another need in Eastern Europe, a direct competitor to the Baltic states, they couldn’t lie under anyone ... Soviet Russia gave them statehood, but their slavish mentality drove them under the Anglo-Saxons literally the day after the collapse of the USSR!
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 29 December 2017 13: 53 New
        +5
        Cool. I fully support the idea of ​​our presence in Central America! Sandinista go ahead! (I remember their struggle with the Contras, which the United States sent from Honduras).
        1. SEER
          SEER 30 December 2017 17: 50 New
          0
          the first time I put you a plus sign. usually you just enrage me (in vain the cons were canceled) ...
      2. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 29 December 2017 14: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        their slavish mentality drove them under the Anglo-Saxons literally the day after the collapse of the USSR!

        No, they are fools with us, at first $ 200 billion. sucked off. Still, Peter was the first intelligent man. Order Mazepa them and forget how a nightmare.
        1. Finches
          Finches 29 December 2017 14: 44 New
          +2
          So Peter, therefore, is Great, and the zapadents, as they were then in ..., and now there too! During the USSR period more or less rose ... And money is paper, but here the mentality of the people at the genetic level can be changed by any money!
  2. vkl.47
    vkl.47 29 December 2017 13: 32 New
    +4
    Slaves do not remember kinship. Like a leash. Where they drag and go. Bleating and looking with dull eyes
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 29 December 2017 14: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: vkl.47
      Slaves do not remember kinship. Like a leash. Where they drag and go. Bleating and looking with dull eyes

      And how Solovyov yells something. I do not like purgant, but about the "nightingale litter" he elegantly bent. It was just the man who got here because of such oles with kovtuns.
  3. Hoc vince
    Hoc vince 29 December 2017 13: 34 New
    +2
    Let's paint the refrigerator black!
    But why?
    And just like that!
  4. bald
    bald 29 December 2017 13: 35 New
    +2
    Oh, an ordinary rat article --- how they cannot understand --- well, at least someone there should be reasonable - horror !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 December 2017 13: 38 New
    +6
    Let them help, once they get rid of, so return from all the Soviet-land ours yourself, and livelier sad !!!!
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 29 December 2017 14: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Return our lands yourself, and livelier !!!!

      15% of the current then will remain with them. And in general, so that a crest gives something away ??? Rather, Archimedes finds the fulcrum and finally turns the Earth over.
  6. DMoroz
    DMoroz 29 December 2017 13: 38 New
    +2
    Ukraine has to deal with a hybrid war, and the duty of foreign instructors is to share the experience they gained in Afghanistan.
    Is this the Taliban hybrid fighting against Canadians in Afghanistan?
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 29 December 2017 13: 51 New
      +2
      Their experience in Afghanistan is the protection of the drug trade and sitting on the bases .... oh and I almost forgot the war against the peaceful people and the torture of prisoners.
  7. Egorovich
    Egorovich 29 December 2017 13: 41 New
    +8
    Indeed, Soviet traditions are the traditions of the Winners. Donbass did not depart from these traditions. And whoever followed the traditions of mattress, he received a boiler after a boiler.
  8. newcomer
    newcomer 29 December 2017 13: 41 New
    +7
    zombie scrollers who do not know the traditions and betrayed the banners of fathers and grandfathers are much easier to let into consumption in the name of the “higher” Anglo-Saxon nation. really: nothing is new under the moon, history goes to the next round.
    1. Partyzan
      Partyzan 29 December 2017 14: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: newbie
      let in expense in the name of the “higher" nation

      I agree completely - only the "higher" change
  9. Azazelo
    Azazelo 29 December 2017 13: 44 New
    +8
    The army that has not won a single war, even with the natives, is going to teach those who once drove the Nazis to a filthy broom across Europe. Lol
  10. Altona
    Altona 29 December 2017 13: 45 New
    +5
    On August 8, 2008, the American training system was clearly revealed, all this “personal initiative”, all these “feedbacks” on the battlefield. When neither accurate data, nor thermal imagers on tanks, nor other newest systems that were in the Georgian army helped.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 29 December 2017 13: 49 New
      +6
      They were all powerless against One guy with a light machine gun.
  11. Livonetc
    Livonetc 29 December 2017 13: 47 New
    +1
    And to revive their original traditional "My hut with the edge" is easier than a lung.
  12. Kent0001
    Kent0001 29 December 2017 13: 48 New
    +3
    In Hohland, their propensity for same-sex love will now add to their alcoholism .... instructors will teach.
  13. Thracian warrior
    Thracian warrior 29 December 2017 13: 49 New
    +3
    He noted that “according to the Russian tradition, all decisions come from officers from above, while in Canada it is much appreciated personal initiative directly on the battlefield. "

    Here, the Canadian is wrong - as in the "personal initiative" they are attacking by the forces of the squad directly at the sight of two machine guns of militants.
    Recently, there was business. laughing
  14. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 29 December 2017 13: 59 New
    +2
    What a gorgeous "War Leaf". Paphos, how much. He neighed heartily over the stupidity of the French. "experience of Afghanistan" they share. Yes, Ukrainians and puff themselves are not fools.
  15. gukoyan
    gukoyan 29 December 2017 14: 40 New
    +1
    Degraders ...
  16. svp67
    svp67 29 December 2017 14: 51 New
    +3
    The West helps the Ukrainian army to get rid of Soviet traditions
    For us, the main thing is that he saved the APU from the Soviet tradition - TO BE A WINNER.
    1. Going
      Going 29 December 2017 16: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      The West helps the Ukrainian army to get rid of Soviet traditions
      For us, the main thing is that he saved the APU from the Soviet tradition - TO BE A WINNER.


      That's what they will definitely teach them.
  17. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 29 December 2017 15: 28 New
    0
    Kyla Christopher's beautiful verbiage!
    There is no need for a political officer.
  18. NF68
    NF68 29 December 2017 15: 54 New
    +1
    If the West still helped Ukrainian leaders to acquire normal human brains. And since there was a mess there, so he will remain.
  19. Going
    Going 29 December 2017 16: 58 New
    +3
    According to him, today Ukraine has to deal with a hybrid war, and the duty of foreign instructors is to share the experience they gained in Afghanistan.


    And what did they fight there? ... it turns out that Donbass will suffer for a long time
  20. sabakina
    sabakina 29 December 2017 17: 49 New
    +2
    He noted that "according to the Russian tradition, all decisions come from officers from above, while in Canada personal initiative directly on the battlefield is highly valued."

    I present a picture. At the headquarters, a counterattack was being prepared on the right flank, and the company was taking the initiative and was running in the center! Well, how rush on the flank in WoT! And I am glad that they still do not understand that the one who “dies but does” wins, and not the one who “does or will die” wins.
  21. APASUS
    APASUS 29 December 2017 18: 00 New
    0
    In fact, in the Red Army there were no ranks that would mediate between the high leadership and the soldiers themselves — hence alcoholism and other vices.

    Such a deep thought!
    But I still couldn’t understand why the soldiers and officers were thumping. If I could still explain why they steal, there would be no price!
  22. Lexus
    Lexus 29 December 2017 18: 23 New
    +2
    From Soviet traditions weaned to win. Learn to surrender. And good.


  23. LeonidL
    LeonidL 29 December 2017 19: 06 New
    0
    You can’t wash off a black dog. These "Michurinians" cannot be instilled into the Ukrainian aspens something fruitful.
  24. faterdom
    faterdom 29 December 2017 21: 31 New
    +1
    "Kakadnets" - these are the past generations of "victorious" ukrov, who fled to another continent, who after the first, who - the second world war. Diluted by the terpils who fled even earlier from Great Britain and Ireland.
    It is curious what the great Suvorov would say, who spoke very derogatoryly about the Prussians, about such "military mentors"?
    1. Antares
      Antares 29 December 2017 23: 24 New
      0
      Quote: faterdom
      "Kakadnets" - these are the past generations of "victorious" ukrov, who fled to another continent, who after the first, who - the second world war. Diluted by the terpils who fled even earlier from Great Britain and Ireland.

      Canada is a former. French and English colonies. Ukrainians and immigrants there are only 1.2 million for 36 million Canadians.
      Waves of Ukrainians (3) are associated with the ousting of Ukrainians (who fled by language, some by status, from Poland and AB, RI) in search of a better share. The last wave after 91, then everyone rushed from the USSR (Russians and Ukrainians in the majority)
      Mastering Canada is not for "enduring." Read at your leisure what battles were in Canada during the development period.
      Quote: faterdom
      the great suvorov

      сказал
      Easy to learn - hard to hike, hard to learn - easy to hike.
      Learning is light and ignorance is darkness.

      personal initiative directly on the battlefield is highly regarded in Canada. ”

      Every warrior must understand his maneuver.
      And in the lower rank there are heroes.
      Discipline is the mother of victory.
      Who surprised, he won ..


      He also said a word about couch strategists
      They lie in the office, and they beat in the field.
      No battle can be won in the office.
      The commander who wages war on the newspapers is a pity. There are other things that he needs to know.

      Alexander Vasilievich never underestimated the enemy ..!
      For Ukrainians, it’s even good that they are underestimated. Not everyone reads Murza ..
      1. the lord
        the lord 7 January 2018 08: 51 New
        0
        Chechens and Russians have already appreciated you in Chechnya. The first ones called you cowards. the second is scum. All subsequent history is only confirmation of these conclusions.
  25. shaman1602
    shaman1602 29 December 2017 21: 33 New
    0
    In 2008, the Georgian wars showed what the Americans taught them how to drape and throw equipment and weapons.
  26. weksha50
    weksha50 29 December 2017 21: 36 New
    +2
    "In fact, in the Red Army there were no ranks that would mediate between the high leadership and the soldiers themselves - hence alcoholism and other vices"...

    Ahem ... I tried, tried to comprehend - nothing worked ... Maybe someone will somehow explain the essence of this statement to me?
  27. TI_Eugene
    TI_Eugene 30 December 2017 03: 43 New
    0
    Interesting - who is now teaching the Kirovograd Special Forces Brigade? Who were taught to wet the Pershing in Europe.
  28. flicker
    flicker 30 December 2017 12: 22 New
    +2
    "The West helps the Ukrainian army to get rid of Soviet traditions"

    It looks like homosexual is bred lol
  29. SEER
    SEER 30 December 2017 17: 56 New
    0
    I read the article. No comments yet.
    Teach the descendants of the winners of idiots. which NEVER, AND ANYWHERE !!!
    "Ukrainians", you do not db?
  30. tagil
    tagil 30 December 2017 18: 19 New
    +1
    You can also train a monkey. Good or bad is another question. And NATO’s training is controversial, but each creature has a pair of NATO and PMCs there, and the rotation is regular. It’s just that these connoisseurs of democracy and European gays conduct reconnaissance and study of the future theater, as well as our capabilities in all military aspects.