Russian frigates will equip domestic engines

All frigates under construction in Russia during 2018 and 2019 will be equipped with domestic engines developed by ODK-Saturn as part of the import substitution program, said a spokesman for the United Engine Corporation.

Earlier, the head of the Baltic Shipbuilding Plant (PSZ) "Yantar", on which the 11356 frigates are built, Eduard Efimov said that the fate of the second three ships of the "admiral" series was suspended pending the Russian-made engines or other decisions of the customer. The same situation is with the frigates of the project 22350.

At present, UEC-Saturn PJSC has completed three development activities - to create engines of various capacities for the Naval fleet. In the next two years, obligations to supply serial diesel-gas-turbine and gas-turbine units are to be fulfilled.

- leads RIA News the words of the interlocutor of the agency.

The construction of the second trio of frigates for the Black Sea Fleet was suspended due to the absence of power plants that were previously supplied from Ukraine. The construction of gas turbine engines for these frigates was mastered and is currently being carried out at the facilities of the ODK-Saturn enterprise.

The ships of the first three frigates of the 11356 project "Admiral Grigorovich", "Admiral Essen" and "Admiral Makarov" are already in service of the Black Sea Fleet

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[alkor]

If true - I’ll go drink in honor of industry and the Navy.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: alkor

If true - I’ll go drink in honor of industry and the Navy.

then it's time - it's true

[Vard]

It's high time ... I certainly don’t understand gas turbine engines ... but this seems to be a cross between aviation and industrial ... and they have been produced for a long time and successfully ...

[san4es]

Quote: Vard

It's time ... I certainly do not understand gas turbine engines ..

Principle of operation

... April 2017:

[Muvka]

And recently I was spread rot because our gas turbine engine stalled. Well, they grabbed the pros, and I insulted in cheers-patriotism. Well. Now they know who they are ...

[Inok10]

Quote: Muvka

And recently I was spread rot because our gas turbine engine stalled.

... two years ago ... he spoke and even called the deadlines ... end 17 beginning 18 ... but all polypropolymers cannot, they need to understand how bad everything is in Russia ...

[Muvka]

They have the meaning of life in this. Alas.

[Inok10]

Quote: Muvka

They have the meaning of life in this. Alas.

... there are people of the Bees, and there are people of the Flies ... it’s not difficult to guess who the “all-palipolymers” are ...

[ZVO]

Quote: Muvka

They have the meaning of life in this. Alas.

Alas, you still do not understand that some people are already tired of the inexplicable actions of our "talking heads" ...
Engines after breaking with Ukraine promised to start building in a year ... Next year is already the fifth, but there are still no turbines and can’t be seen ...
Every year they report to us - that's it. now. in a year ... But still no and no.

For example, what infuriates me ...

I was taught in childhood: "Never promise that you cannot personally guarantee!"

And our military and industrial officials have promised almost a death star. if you put together all their promises ..

[Muvka]

Then I did not follow the topic, are there links to such news? Secondly, maybe then it seemed that we could do it, but there were some circumstances, or those difficulties through which we could not jump so quickly. The creation of such an engine is not the creation of a teapot. And if you then said that the engine would be ready by the year 25, would you not ache (well, not you personally)? I doubt it. Howl would be even more.

[Inok10]

Quote: ZVO

Engines after breaking with Ukraine promised to start building in a year ... Next year is already the fifth, but there are still no turbines and can’t be seen ...
Every year they report to us - that's it. now. in a year ... But still no and no.

... when the Profan undertakes to say something ... it’s just ridiculous ... no one promised .. in a year ... the deadlines were set until 2020 ... because the marine gas turbine is not an aviation gas turbine at all ... don’t fool people ... especially to the marine gas turbine itself, you still need at least two control systems, a set of gearboxes and, in the end, two test benches that we didn’t have ... one was delivered to Saturn (gas turbine + diesel) , the second one at Salute, specifically at Horizon (gas turbine engine + gas turbine engine) ... so it was just 2 years earlier ... stop whining ... don't let the food digest quietly after dinner ...

[antivirus]

the real small goal is to take a place on the market - ukrovskoye + also "pinch off" partners
this is not to the workers of Rybinsk, but to the KREMLIN Highlanders
COURAGE OF THE CITY TAKES AND MARKETS

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Nowadays, you can only believe in signed contracts, and then with a big stretch. Four M90FRs will be enough for two frigates of the 22350 project and they will arrive within the 2018 year according to the already signed contracts as part of the M55P GEM. But there is no contract for a power plant for 11356. Like the fate of the very second triple in the fog. Construction is suspended. Who will make the engines for such ships? Yes, in the framework of the OKR, the 11356 power plants will work, but no one knows how it will end .

[Inok10]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Nowadays, you can only believe in signed contracts, and then with a big stretch. Four M90FRs will be enough for two frigates of Project 22350 and they will arrive exactly in 2018 according to already signed contracts as part of the M55R GEM. But there is no contract for a power plant for 11356.

... when yours is "Artistic Whistle" ... it will end ... Tired ... we read:

"The main command of the Navy is considering the prospect of placing orders at the Yantar shipyard for the construction of promising ships of the ocean zone with a displacement greater than that of the Project 1135.6 frigates," said Tryapichnikov during the ceremony of raising the Andreevsky flag aboard the Admiral Makarov frigate at the outfitting embankment of the Kaliningrad shipyard.
He did not specify which ships in question.
RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/arms/20171227/1511823785.html

... it’s not difficult to guess ... what is at stake ... the main slipway up to 14000 tons of full displacement ... the pipeline workshop has been modernized, we are engaged in berthing and accompanying ... ahead is the building structure workshop and moving it closer to the boathouses .. .that is why I haven’t been on the resource for almost half a year, so in fits and starts this is not my main job ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ZVO

Engines after breaking with Ukraine promised to start building in a year ...

Engines? Or a full cycle ship gas turbine engine manufacturing plant?
If the plant is all true.

A new modern test bench for testing marine engines and units with a capacity of up to 40 MW will be built on the basis of NPO Saturn by 2017
“Now the end of financing, and, accordingly, the end of the construction of the stand is scheduled for 2017. Maybe earlier. It all depends on whether the Ministry of Industry and Trade is ready to accelerate funding, ”said Dmitry Novikov, director of the marine gas turbine engine program at NPO Saturn, at the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg.

© 20.03.2014, the city of Rybinsk. - A meeting of the Council of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation on shipbuilding.
Here is the situation on 25.04.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX:

Entrance to test bench No. 1 of the assembly and test building of ship gas turbine units of PJSC NPO Saturn in Rybinsk. Stand No. 1 is designed for testing gas turbine engines M70FRU, M70FRU-2, M70FRU-R and units based on them with a capacity of up to 15 MW.

On April 25, 2017, the United Engine Corporation (UEC), part of the Rostec State Corporation, presented projects for the development and development of serial production of offshore gas turbine engines (GTE) and gas turbine units (GTU) based on them. As part of the event, at the enterprise NPO Saturn PJSC (part of UEC) in Rybinsk (Yaroslavl Region), the creation of a Russian base for offshore gas turbine construction was announced. As part of the visit to the enterprise, Russian President Vladimir Putin launched the testing of the GTA M35-P1 with the M70FRU-2 engine.
To date, the design documentation for the gas turbine engine and units M35R-1, M35R-2 and M70R has been developed, work has been done on the technological preparation of production, experimental gas turbine engines have been manufactured. For the remaining development period, it is planned to conduct special factory, acceptance tests and interagency tests of the M70FRU engine, gas turbine units M35R-1, M35R-2 and M70R.

© bmpd

[Simargl]

Quote: Alexey RA

Entrance to test bench No. 1 of the assembly and test building of ship gas turbine units of PJSC NPO Saturn in Rybinsk. Stand No. 1 is designed for testing gas turbine engines M70FRU, M70FRU-2, M70FRU-R and units based on them with a capacity of up to 15 MW.

So what? NK-16 for GTES 15 years at least do. To adapt it for the fleet, I think, is not the biggest problem.
For 11356, as I understand it, a gas turbine engine of 30-35 MW was needed.
The fact that they decided to put two weaker - both good and bad.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Simargl

So what? NK-16 for GTES 15 years at least do. To adapt it for the fleet, I think, is not the biggest problem.

So with the engines themselves there are practically no problems - experienced were already this year. There was no test bench!
The mighty USSR was able to make only 1 (one!) Stand and one ship gas-turbine engine factory for the whole country. Because of this, by the way, I had to put KTU on the Ave. 956 - for Nikolaev was sewn up.
And without a booth, no gas turbine engine will reach the ship. There is an engine, but you can’t install it.

[Simargl]

Is he there without an intermediate generator (serial hybrid)? Directly to the shaft through the gearbox?
If with a generator - 400Hz 16 MW would weigh 15 tons somewhere, in a block with an engine - about 30.

[Inok10]

Quote: Alexey RA

© 20.03.2014, the city of Rybinsk. - A meeting of the Council of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation on shipbuilding.

... My regards ! ... namesake ... ... add from the same source:

Taking into account the projected volumes of work, it is planned to use the bench base of Salyut Scientific and Production Center for Gas Turbine Construction in the tests of repair engines. To this end, UEC organized and funded the modernization of a testing station located in Dzerzhinsky (Moscow Region). Within the framework of cooperation with NPO Saturn, in the area of ​​responsibility of Salyut are certain types of testing of marine engines M70FRU-R ("reverse") and M90FR. After the completion of the first stage of the deep modernization of the stand in December 2016, tests were successfully conducted of the M90FR marine gas turbine engine in operation, which underwent restoration repair at NPO Saturn. In addition to testing marine engines, the stand base of the Horizont Design Bureau is designed to test industrial gas turbine units.

“Joint work on offshore topics is a new direction for Salyut within the framework of transforming the UEC industrial model,” says Vitaliy Klochkov, Deputy General Director and Managing Director of Salyut Turbine-Building Research and Development Center JSC. - Successful tests of the repaired M90FR engine will be followed by long-cycle tests of the prototype M70FRU-reverse engine. Modernization of the stand base of the ICB "Horizon" will facilitate the timely implementation of state defense orders. "

“The new stand allows you to test products, operating both gaseous and liquid fuels”, Says Oleg Kuzhel, director of the Horizon ICD branch. - Besides, a new turbogenerator with two connection points was developed specially designed for our stand, which is used as a load device during testing. The control system of the stand was changed to a more modern one, based on a new element base. It should be noted that the stand base of the ICD "Horizon" allows you to test the entire line of foreign ship gas-turbine engines in operation on ships of the Russian Navy". Source: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2576288.html

... for two years from scratch, a stand on Saturn and completely reconstructed on Horizon ... not counting the new gas turbines, control systems, gearboxes and three other carts associated with it ... like air ducts, components, etc. etc. ... there will be no less than 2000 names or more ... well, they all whine, whine, whine and whine ...

Quote: Simargl

So what? NK-16 for GTES 15 years at least do. To adapt it for the fleet, I think, is not the biggest problem.

... another connoisseur! ... AND ON WHICH FUEL DOES IT WORK FOR YOU ?! ... HOUR NOT GAS LEE! ... ADAPTOR! ...

Quote: Simargl

For 11356, as I understand it, a gas turbine engine of 30-35 MW was needed.
The fact that they decided to put two weaker - both good and bad.

... M90 + M70 ... it has long been said ... alteration of air ducts, ours are smaller and lower in size ... than they are engaged in at Yantar ... specifically the Design Department ...

[misti1973]

That's when these ships sail, then you can drink! And you can jinx it :)

[Evgeny RS]

Glory to you!

[Alexey-74]

Well, thank God! And then it’s not decent for such a powerful power, a leading space country .... and does not have the production of its own engines for the Navy.

[newcomer]

we hope and expect that there will be no shifts. the soul hurts for the "Admirals". I want to ask off-topic: there was infa that our designers began adapting the TV7 117B aircraft engine for tanks. no one knows if work is going on or not?

[Alexander War]

Russian frigates will be equipped with domestic engines That's when they put on the first frigate and pass all the tests then yes!

[tchoni]

Damn, if the memory does not fool, then for a year. This is already 3 messages of this kind. Already not funny.

[misti1973]

This is so that hamsters do not worry

[Bulrumeb]

All frigates under construction in Russia during 2018 and 2019 will be equipped with domestic engines developed by ODK-Saturn as part of the import substitution program, said a spokesman for the United Engine Corporation.

heard more than once, might not be repeated

[Sergeant71]

When the official infa appears that the turbines are INSTALLED on frigates and pass successful tests, then I will definitely believe and pump up. And now you can promise anything. Especially on the eve of the election.

[Herculesic]

Are the buildings unfinished to the Indians for sale? Under Stalin, for such a thing, they would have long ago found the real culprits, not the extreme ones, and shot them! I do not believe these tales, it seems that with words the T50 entered service with the troops back in 2013! You cannot solve the problem - retirement, without a pension, because you did not earn it!

[ul_vitalii]

With retirement, you went too far.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Herkulesich

Are the buildings unfinished to the Indians for sale? Under Stalin, for such a thing, they would have long ago found the real culprits, not the extreme ones, and shot them!

Under Stalin, the Leningrad LD was built for 6 years. Moreover, it was completed after the official surrender to the fleet.
And what happened to the Big Fleet ...

As already noted, in accordance with the program of the “Large Marine Shipbuilding” approved on July 16, 1936, it was planned to build eight battleships of type “A” with 1937-mm artillery of main guns and 1943 ships of type “B” in seven years (406-16) 305 mm gk. At the same time, the construction of the first eight ships (four of each type) was supposed to begin in 1937, they were to be launched in 1939 and put into operation in 1941.

In 1941, the number of LC was reduced to 3, and the timing of the introduction of the head was postponed to 1945. Fourth LC disassembled:

... already in the middle of 1940 it turned out that during the construction of I.V. laid on December 21, 1939, on the day of the 60th anniversary Due to the low qualifications of the workers, the “Soviet Belarus” battleship was allowed a “mass riveting marriage”: up to 70 thousand delivered rivets turned out to be made of steel of much lower quality than was required. Therefore, all work on the formation of the hull of this ship had to be suspended with technical readiness of 2,57%.

And here’s what happened to the GEM of domestic “big pots”:

Although the decision of the KO under the SNK of the USSR obliged KhTGZ to supply all three GTZAs to plant No. 189 for the battleship “Soviet Union” by April 1940, KhTGZ evaded the conclusion of the corresponding agreement. By a second decree of the CO, the delivery dates for the first set of GTZA were moved to October, and the second (for “Soviet Ukraine”) to November 1940.
For heavy cruisers of project 69, in accordance with the decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks of October 19, 1940, it was planned to supply four turbines in 1941 and two in the 1st quarter of the next. However, KhTGZ did not conclude an agreement with the Navy for the supply of GTZA for battleships and heavy cruisers and did not manufacture any of them.
All the deadlines for the creation of the main boilers of the battleships were disrupted (the contractor is Plant No. 189). The development, manufacture and testing of an experimental boiler dragged on until the beginning of 1941, while the planned completion date was September 1938.

© Vasiliev A.M., Morin A.B. Stalin's Superlinkors. “Soviet Union”, “Kronstadt”, “Stalingrad”
ICH, no one was injured in Kharkov. And for Molotovsky LK, a GTZA kit was purchased by the Swiss branch (Baden city) of the English company Brown Bover Co.

[SOF]

Quote: Herkulesich

Under Stalin

... under Stalin, you would have been neighbors for a long time now.
... it really hurts to hell, those who hope have no hope in Stalin how it could end .... Or maybe it could .... To whom God will send ...

[misti1973]

So then you have to shoot Putin:) He spoiled relations with Ukraine.

[Nemesis]

It’s time, especially since 11356 is the only fully equipped and ready-to-use frigate of the Russian Federation

[cormorant]

This has long been talked about. That's when the first frigate comes to the mooring with domestic engines, then there will be news. In the meantime, this is not news, but food for hamsters ...

[svp67]

Oh, how I want to live up to the news that these engines are installed and the ships are part of our Navy

[Zomanus]

Yes, it’s clear that we are not waiting for foreign engines.
Only tell me the timeline when the engines in the iron put on our ships.
In the meantime, all developments and developments are going on ...

[SOF]

How else? If before that they used the common groundwork from the common heritage, and then it turned out that there was nothing in common. From scratch, dear comrade, from scratch.
And quickly only cats will be born and f-35 is done.

[misti1973]

And the F-35 is not only that flying with might and main, and sold with might and main! What's wrong?

[Romanenko]

Better late than never.
But it has long been clear that the engines should be their own, and not Motor Sich!
Yeah, it’s painfully good kickbacks came, apparently, from Ukraine, now it’s scary to think — bring some more at Rybinsk Motors, Izhora and many other factories, our paid native sales officials from the USA would have set up super-duper supermarkets, and the equipment had been sent for scrapping ....
We didn’t have time, thanks to pin dos, on time we organized the Maidan in Kiev.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Romanenko

Yeah, it’s painfully good kickbacks came, apparently, from Ukraine

It's not about kickbacks - but in the desire for cheaper and faster. Effective management, follow it.
In Ukraine, for example, there remained the only stand in the USSR for testing ship gas-turbine engines. The transition to domestic gas turbine engines is the construction of a new domestic booth. That is, the increase in the cost of gas turbine engines and the availability of engines.
And also the creation of a full cycle of gas turbine engine production is quite an expensive pleasure.
So they pulled it until the jailer cock pecked.

[Normal ok]

Russian frigates will equip domestic engines

Yeah, in the next century.

[LeonidL]

Trying in vain, you won’t wait, they will equip them next year.

[LeonidL]

A great country is obliged to equip its warships with everything produced by itself, and not by its uncle. The liberals did not understand this, until a cockerel pecked at them. This is the import substitution - two three years are needed to create production, two three years to build from scratch and, importantly, education and training of qualified personnel. Therefore, it is now so definitely said, without any la-la about the transfer of frigate hulls. GDP growth will also begin steadily from 18-19 when all new enterprises will enter the working regime.

[faiver]

just words and nothing more ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: faiver

just words and nothing more ...

For April 2017:

To date, the design documentation for the gas turbine engine and units M35R-1, M35R-2 and M70R has been developed, work has been completed on the technological preparation of production, and experimental gas turbine engines have been manufactured.

[faiver]

this news for more than seven months ...

[foreman]

waiting for three years! it’s time already !!!

[Cetron]

Calm, only calm! Ukrainians made a new engine for the T-64, but not a single plant could repeat it. I had to make a T-72 with an old diesel engine and a T-80 with a gas turbine. So with engines it’s not so simple, everyone knows the principle, but it’s impossible to produce in metal. If they do, you can blow the heroes (provided that it turns out no worse than the prototype, preferably better).

[gerkost2012]

This is what kind of diesel engine on T-64 was made at Motor Sich, so far no one could repeat it ?? And why should compare diesel with gas turbine engine?
In DLNR in 2015, the captured T-64s ceased to be put into operation, only for dismantling for spare parts for those that are still in operation. But the T-72 is at a premium.

[Antares]

Quote: gerkost2012

This is what such a diesel engine on the T-64 did on Motor Sich

you don’t know what’s new ... Aircraft gas turbine engines and T64 ....
the plant has already been a hundred years old (founded in 1907) but it was related to tanks only to the t80 (helped repair the next hundred t80)
MS didn’t work with T64. This is not his profile.

[Cetron]

I do not compare engines, I mean that it is not so easy to organize the production of any engine even with all the technical documentation, but here it’s practically from scratch. In Russia, the problem with engines is that for civil aviation, that for cars (put German, Japanese, French), there are no normal engines for railway equipment, for the fleet. There are some progress, but how far is a normal world level. Tired of lamentations "promised, did not, corruption, guard !!! Putin is to blame !!!" At the keyboard - clicked: everything is ready!

[gerkost2012]

And this is good. Another is strange. After all, after the first Maidan and the appearance of Yushchenko in the presidents, it became clear that Ukraine is not something that is not a friend, but not even a “partner”. Moreover, the “vegetable” Yanukovych most insolently turned the shafts into the EU, hiding behind mantras about mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia. . This is because he and Azarov let Biden’s office “Burisma” extract shale gas on the Slavic plateau. It was he who funded the PS Yarosh and VO Freedom Tyagnibok clearly anti-Russian orientation. Or did the “sleeping ambassador” Zurabov not report on what was happening? Why was it pleasant to wait for the situation when the Kiev authorities cut off all the contracts? To heroically overcome difficulties by disrupting the re-equipment of the fleet?

[Antares]

Quote: gerkost2012

Or did the "sleeping ambassador" Zurabov not report on what was happening?

he is a pharmaceutical baron .. why should he "ZAO RF"?
With the engines for the ships, everything does not work out right away. Not a year and not two or three .. need.
And politicians and leaders are promoted every year and every time in an interview that soon ... next year .. there will be. Next year, one can also promise to promise.
Let's wait for the case ... it is usually done quietly.

[Twodi]

God grant, God grant. Let's hope we see all 6 frigates in the KChF