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Officers of the RF Armed Forces will wear uniforms with buttonholes - "coils" of the sample of the XIX century

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RIA News With reference to Elena Sevastyanova, editor of the magazine of the military department "Voin of Russia", reports on innovations in the uniform for officers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Candidate historical Elena Sevastyanova, who holds the rank of colonel of the RF Armed Forces, notes that the officers received new lapel badges that resemble the insignia of the Russian guard of the 19th century.


New officer lapel badges for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were presented in Balashikha - at the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces, on the basis of which an extended board of the Russian Ministry of Defense was held. We are talking about golden signs, made in the shape of a rectangle with protruding bases (upper and lower). There is a similarity in shape with the antique column.

Officers of the RF Armed Forces will wear uniforms with buttonholes - "coils" of the sample of the XIX century


From the statement of Colonel Sevastyanova:
This paired sign of golden color, vaguely reminiscent of a Roman architectural column, is called a buttonhole. By the way, it has already become colloquially called a “spool” - allegedly because of its similarity to a wooden base for winding sewing threads. The modern buttonhole designed to be worn on the edges of the collar of the casual jacket of an officer of the Russian Armed Forces, apparently, dates back to the 1811 of the year. Then a similar sign was introduced in the Lithuanian Life Guards regiment formed in the Russian Imperial Army for wearing on the collar and cuffs of the uniform sleeves.


It is noted that similar signs appeared on the dress uniform of officers of the Soviet army. In particular, they can be seen in the frames of the Victory Parade, held in Moscow on June 24 1945. Buttonholes were located on the stand-up collars of green color. This kind of symbolism was also used on the cuffs of the uniforms from the middle of the 50s.

Elena Sevastyanova:
Now the historical buttonhole has again become an element of the general uniform of clothing. Navy officers are provided with the clothing department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation with another emblem depicting a traditional Admiralty anchor. The same golden metal sign has been used since Soviet times to be worn by officers of the Navy on ceremonial black jackets.


According to Elena Sevastyanova, the agency will soon replace expensive embroidery and aluminum stamping (for the anchor of naval officers) with cheaper plastic options for buttonholes.
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  1. ImPerts
    ImPerts 29 December 2017 07: 13 New
    +7
    Buttonholes from pre-revolutionary Russia. And the uniform?
    An allusion to the Victory Parade?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 29 December 2017 07: 18 New
      +6
      Perhaps. You have to remind some ....
      Quote: ImPerts
      Buttonholes from pre-revolutionary Russia. And the uniform?
      An allusion to the Victory Parade?
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 December 2017 07: 31 New
        26
        The more icons, the more beautiful fellow
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 December 2017 07: 36 New
          38
          Marshal Sergeant Motorcycle
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 29 December 2017 07: 54 New
            11
            And have you seen many of these? Me not. Axelbant conscripts did. We cut the slings from the parachutes being written off. But this I have not seen.
            Something is wrong here...
            Why spread the bullshit?
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 December 2017 08: 03 New
              24
              Quote: ImPerts
              And have you seen many of these?

              Yes, they are full! This is not the only case.
              1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 December 2017 08: 04 New
                23
                There is already an established concept of motor-sewing troops.
                1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                  Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 December 2017 08: 06 New
                  17
                  By the way, there is such a phenomenon in the Kazakhstan army.
                  1. Vladimir16
                    Vladimir16 29 December 2017 08: 17 New
                    13
                    And on the chest is KAZAKstan. laughing
                    Only here it’s not a damn Cossack. The camp remained, and the Cossacks left. Left seamstresses laughing love
                    1. Cossack 471
                      Cossack 471 3 January 2018 23: 19 New
                      0
                      Kazakhstan Cossacks - hot salam!
                  2. Romulus
                    Romulus 29 December 2017 09: 19 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

                    3
                    Aristarkh Ludwigovich Today, 08:06 ↑ New
                    By the way, there is such a phenomenon in the Kazakhstan army.

                    Or maybe it's time to spam on VO with Photoshop demotivators, and moderators?
                2. 32363
                  32363 29 December 2017 09: 22 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                  There is already an established concept of motor-sewing troops.

                  We embroidered as we could.
              2. SHURUM -BURUM
                SHURUM -BURUM 29 December 2017 08: 28 New
                16
                This is courage, dear Aristarchus! Children during the service did not mature. But the commandant’s service should catch the clowns, while they are still in the service and haven’t been noted in their military enlistment office, otherwise ordinary people will think that the guys did not serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but in the theater))
              3. antivirus
                antivirus 29 December 2017 08: 54 New
                12
                each century has its own Middle Ages
              4. esaul
                esaul 29 December 2017 09: 12 New
                +7
                Hussars, yupt! laughing
              5. ImPerts
                ImPerts 29 December 2017 10: 34 New
                +5
                There are photographs on the network with elements of oral sex of people dressed in uniforms with insignia of the RF Armed Forces; please bring them here to show how it happens in the army.
                1. al.schenaev
                  al.schenaev 29 December 2017 22: 51 New
                  +1
                  then you were not in the army, or was but a stellar-striped flag
                  1. ImPerts
                    ImPerts 31 December 2017 10: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: al.schenaev
                    then you were not in the army, or was but a stellar-striped flag

                    I was, therefore, wrote:
                    Quote: ImPerts
                    And have you seen many of these? Me not. Axelbant conscripts did. We cut the slings from the parachutes being written off. But this I have not seen.
                    Something is wrong here...
                    Why spread the bullshit?

                    But some like it hotter ...
                    Quote: al.schenaev
                    then you were not in the army, or was but a stellar-striped flag

                    And they saw:
                    Quote: ImPerts
                    There are photographs on the network with elements of oral sex of people dressed in uniforms with insignia of the RF Armed Forces; please bring them here to show how it happens in the army.
                2. Vladimir Gordeev
                  Vladimir Gordeev 1 January 2018 11: 21 New
                  +1
                  And you turn to Kaklam, they throw you any pictures of "erotic" orientation, they are also "Europeans"
                  1. ImPerts
                    ImPerts 1 January 2018 19: 24 New
                    +4
                    This is their business.
                    I do not like when they start x ... e ... doi suffer and fast any x ... e ... doo.
                    It seems that everyone who wrote here about the sewing forces, stopped the divisions with their own breasts and put their uniforms in order.
                    And now they share their experiences.
              6. Cadet
                Cadet 29 December 2017 20: 21 New
                +3
                A lot of free time, threads and sheets.
              7. Nats
                Nats 10 September 2018 13: 46 New
                +1
                Oh yeah! Village gopota - in the army turns into such here.
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 29 December 2017 08: 58 New
              +8
              if only it were not like 100 years ago:

              antivirus 1 Today, 10:11 | Battle of Bucharest
              Sometimes I read about WWI and look at the photos of the "noblest" generals.
              And: a father from 30 years old remembered- "grandfather (my great-grandfather) said:" here we are in the first imperialist .. "and so on (father did not remember or said something empty?)
              Only one episode ----
              IMPORTANT --- REASON FOR THE GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION-
              great-grandfather served as a batman under the officer. serves coffee in bed. "Ivan, I told you how many times I told you. What is needed with the foam." Razz-zzz on the teeth of his great-grandfather. "Go do as taught."
              He went out the door, spat in the cup, shook his finger and handed it again. "That's the way to do it"
              In this spit, the reason for the defeat in the WWI and the destruction of the Ros Empire and its army. Tired of enduring dentists, not re-educated officer A, turned out to be. and the whole nobility
              maybe the reason is dentition?
              27g
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 29 December 2017 09: 30 New
                11
                Quote: antivirus
                IMPORTANT --- REASON FOR THE GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION

                laughing laughing laughing Antivirus, then I’ll tell you the MAIN REASON FOR THE collapse of the UNION!
                We had a newsman, a certain old man Tregubin, and our main communist - political commander, sr. Semenyuta really liked from compote (compote in the fleet is sacred. Like borsch angry ) to catch dried fruits and then it happened so that Tregubin has repeatedly served stewed fruit, in which there were only seeds without pulp1
                - Tregubin, where is the pulp?
                - so it is, comrade to-lt, in the galley they give out like that .. just a word!
                And a couple of days later, Semenyuta found the messenger for an interesting occupation ... Tregubin caught dried fruits from a barrel with stewed fruit, ate the flesh and spit out the bones in the tank!
                That's how the senior sailor Tregubin fought against communism !!!
                Here is such a story drinks
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 29 December 2017 10: 21 New
                  +1
                  there was dr - "not with .. in compote, the cook washes his feet in it"
                  St leyt Nikiforov (on the must of the major) political officer - "orderly, on the decanter. Bring from the officers the dining room compote"
                  cook "as far as possible, already 3 carafe"
                  4 days on 2 floors and each request.
                2. al.schenaev
                  al.schenaev 29 December 2017 22: 57 New
                  +1
                  you’re a gentleman with shoulder straps unknown to science 3,14, you would immediately have knocked out teeth on our boat for such things, because both the commander and officers and lower ranks ate from one tank and in one wardroom, though in three shifts
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 30 December 2017 07: 18 New
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                    Quote: al.schenaev
                    since and commander and officers and lower ranks ate from one tank and in the same wardroom

                    Where did you serve. misunderstanding!
              2. al.schenaev
                al.schenaev 29 December 2017 22: 53 New
                +2
                Well, what a wise guy told you that Russia in the WWII suffered a defeat?
              3. Vladimir Gordeev
                Vladimir Gordeev 1 January 2018 11: 25 New
                +1
                one clarification, before the Bourgeois (February) revolution of 1917, Russia won in WWI ...... this is a fact ...
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 1 January 2018 11: 47 New
                  +1
                  one clarification, before the Bourgeois (February) revolution of 1917, Russia won in WWI ...... facts ... and reality
            3. Alexsasha77
              Alexsasha77 29 December 2017 09: 39 New
              0
              there were a lot of them, in the Buryat troops
              1. Vladimir Gordeev
                Vladimir Gordeev 1 January 2018 11: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: Alexsasha77
                there were a lot of them, in the Buryat troops

                ohhh, it seems that the maydanutsya has wandered around, he wanted to offend our Buryats ....
            4. al.schenaev
              al.schenaev 29 December 2017 22: 48 New
              +4
              is it your nonsense? And when this body served, when it managed to jump with a parachute, to develop the skills of disassembling the machine to remove the jammed cartridge, to study the material part, because this body served only ONE (!!!) year.
          2. Alena Frolovna
            Alena Frolovna 29 December 2017 08: 00 New
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            Sorry, but these are mummified dolls and are completely different from the men who served in the army and navy.
            Everything should be in moderation, as in the days of the Soviet Union. Modestly and with dignity.
            1. Smog
              Smog 29 December 2017 08: 08 New
              14
              Quote: Alena Frolovna
              Everything should be in moderation

              Oh! Chet remembered ....
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 29 December 2017 09: 31 New
              +6
              Absolutely right ! We also "did" something ... but "modestly"! We had a sense of proportion! But now .... before it was called "damn those that bow on the side"! No mind, no imagination! Take a look, because all these “uniforms” are executed in the same “style” ... that is, there was a fantasy, but the very first to whom urine hit the head! And already there is no mind and no one had it!
            3. al.schenaev
              al.schenaev 29 December 2017 22: 58 New
              +1
              you speak the truth
            4. Vladimir Gordeev
              Vladimir Gordeev 1 January 2018 11: 40 New
              +3
              In the USSR, the commandant patrol caught such “cocks”, they even pulled out inserts from shoulder straps, and if they couldn’t restore their uniforms in a day, they could also come home in shorts ...
              1. Forever so
                Forever so 3 January 2018 00: 18 New
                +2
                Smart in epaulettes inserted springs from the cap and epaulets are even and impossible to detect))
          3. esaul
            esaul 29 December 2017 09: 13 New
            +3
            Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Marshal Sergeant Motorcycle

            Not more beautiful, but - BEAUTIFUL !!!
          4. esaul
            esaul 29 December 2017 09: 15 New
            +8
            Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Marshal Sergeant Motorcycle

            But, if you insert a bone into your nose, then finally, there will be a drop! Girls can be dumped in piles
          5. iouris
            iouris 29 December 2017 12: 23 New
            +1
            For a year and a half, it is impossible to get it all alone. About ten years he served or slaves worked for him at night.
          6. Ekaterina Shtepa
            Ekaterina Shtepa 11 December 2018 13: 45 New
            +1
            That's great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        2. Misha Kvakina
          Misha Kvakina 29 December 2017 08: 46 New
          +7
          Scarecrow! The cock is discharged !!!
        3. The comment was deleted.
        4. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 December 2017 10: 31 New
          +3
          Bggg ... something immediately remembered:
        5. Warrior with machine gun
          Warrior with machine gun 29 December 2017 12: 28 New
          24
          I look to the minister the fireman has nothing to do, the calf was removed by the sailors for almost two hundred years, the enemies were torn in half, now this crap, I personally recall these fucking coils in the first place and cause rejection, re-equip your heads in caps, do not fight with coils will succeed am
          1. al.schenaev
            al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 07 New
            +8
            but imagine pzhlst how much human money this "builder" Shoigu spent on this whole crap, he destroyed the fire department, he didn’t have soldiers in his childhood, now he plays, changes his form every year.
            We’re walking with his wife along Sevastopol (she’s from there, and I ended up at the Higher School of Internal Affairs), I meet two officers in the Ministry of Emergencies, only black (I myself work as a fireman in the fire department, I know the uniform), at first glance in washed T-shirts and in Not at all the Sevastopol caps with a white top (who served, he remembers these caps with removable covers made of admiral's material). The wife says: here are 3,14 zdets, before officers went in cream shirts with short sleeves, buttons are unzipped to the top of the pocket - anyway expensive had a look, and now ...
            1. Warrior with machine gun
              Warrior with machine gun 29 December 2017 23: 21 New
              +6
              I myself saw this nightmare in September, but a neighbor, a naval contractor, recently caught in this “diaper” white, I ask, “Well, you didn’t get up to the vest with the whole fleet from the sailor to capra at least,” he patted his eyes and said nothing ((
            2. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 31 December 2017 12: 14 New
              +4
              he destroyed the fire department

              Here, in more detail, let's. Specifically with numbers, facts. Otherwise YOU ... bol.
              And to Ratnik, who with a machine gun will advise himself to nominate his candidacy and make MUCH, "raise the mo from his knees." Db you both.
          2. Vladimir Gordeev
            Vladimir Gordeev 1 January 2018 13: 45 New
            -1
            [quote] [/ quote] by the way, this "fireman" is in his place and knows what to do with him .... it’s good that you don’t take any more like defense ministers ... otherwise the last one would be blown away .... and the uniform he introduces a comfortable and again introduced the front ... Shoigu - respect ....
          3. Wolf 1
            Wolf 1 3 January 2018 08: 32 New
            0
            This minister has never been a firefighter. Think before you write.
        6. al.schenaev
          al.schenaev 29 December 2017 22: 45 New
          +3
          such a piderast would crash right on the pier
        7. Victor Ermakov
          Victor Ermakov 2 January 2018 20: 37 New
          0
          Portrait of a naval savage, where do the commanders look?
          The first "savages" appeared in 70 years, but this
          left nothing at all from the form.
    2. Maz
      Maz 29 December 2017 10: 00 New
      +4
      I love the IDF for it - there is nothing superfluous on the form, everything is practical, convenient, and there are no accelerants on the everyday. Shaw Alef, Shaw Bet. La ours, cho money nowhere to go, or want to get the commanders of the line, then Schaub to fall for the thing? Where Shoigu is looking.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 29 December 2017 10: 21 New
        15
        Well, the IDF likes it for something else. repeat

      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 29 December 2017 10: 31 New
        +3
        You are guided more by photos on the Internet ...
        There will not show this ...
      3. Serg koma
        Serg koma 29 December 2017 22: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Maz
        Where Shoigu is looking.

        Including on my feet .... Personally, I am for BOOTS and SHOES !!! Other shoes (all kinds) - to specialists.
        1. Forever so
          Forever so 3 January 2018 00: 26 New
          +2
          boots removed for another reason. With the undermining of the legs in the boot, the leg is torn off by the knee, with the undermining in the trench of the ankle, in the sneaker only the foot. I myself was surprised at the boots until I read the research. across Afghanistan by the way.
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 3 January 2018 14: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Forever so
            I myself was surprised at the boots until I read the research. across Afghanistan by the way.

            Also heard for the first time belay
      4. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 31 December 2017 12: 18 New
        +6
        Interestingly, one or two ... miracles posted pictures from the Internet (photoshop, not photoshop?) And ... got crazy about it. It got to the point that the “fireman” ruined the Moscow region. ”“ But the king is not real! ”. Like grandmas at the porches. Until the 31st, have you already gathered or celebrated?
  2. PValery53
    PValery53 29 December 2017 07: 14 New
    +7
    To revive the traditions lost (since the Victory in the Great War) are healthy conservatism.
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 29 December 2017 07: 41 New
      14
      Quote: PValery53
      Revive the lost (since the Victory in the Great War) traditions

      the traditions of the Russian army are much richer than in the time period indicated by you, so let's dress everyone in the Budennovka uniforms and hussar uniforms, they are generally embroidered with gold
      1. Tula gingerbread
        Tula gingerbread 29 December 2017 08: 12 New
        +3
        In connection with the finery of gold embroidery by the hussars, officers were allowed to use, in everyday form, the usual braid.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 29 December 2017 08: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: Tula gingerbread
          In connection with the finery of gold embroidery by the hussars ...

          Hussars on your seamstress worked? wassat
          My friend, urgently at your desk and learn to express your thoughts correctly. When you were a hussar you would have been shot in a duel laughing
          1. Vladimir Gordeev
            Vladimir Gordeev 1 January 2018 13: 53 New
            +1
            and you, my friend, an ignoramus ... Your whole idea of ​​the hussars from vaudeville and the guards (metropolitan) regiments ... but in reality the hussars are ordinary light cavalry, where the rank and file and officers are nobles and the income is different ... in court uniform it was inconvenient to fight ....
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 29 December 2017 08: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: verner1967
        Quote: PValery53
        Revive the lost (since the Victory in the Great War) traditions

        the traditions of the Russian army are much richer than in the time period indicated by you, so let's dress everyone in the Budennovka uniforms and hussar uniforms, they are generally embroidered with gold

        And a wig ... curly
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 29 December 2017 13: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: BecmepH
          And a wig ... curly

          Yeah, with a pigtail))))
          1. al.schenaev
            al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 10 New
            +3
            however comrade Suvorov Alexander Vasilievich this very curly little wig with a pigtail did not interfere with everything in a row the face (and not only) to clean to a full glitter
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 29 December 2017 09: 43 New
        +5
        I also wanted to say about Budenovki, but I was late! But there is something else that is not “voiced”! After all, even in tsarist times they “planned”: hats, checkmen on hooks, harem pants and, of course, “heroes” and “conversations” on their overcoats, gymnasts. Having said A, we must say B! Let's introduce all this into the uniform of the Russian army ??? All the same, there is consolation that there are no skirts and shoes with “donuts”, like the Greek “guard”!
      4. foxic
        foxic 9 September 2018 11: 00 New
        0
        Yes, easily, and start with the red streltsy caftan ...
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 29 December 2017 14: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: PValery53
      To revive the traditions lost (since the Victory in the Great War) are healthy conservatism.


      Revive the standards and banners of the defeated army at the foot of the Mausoleum?
      1. al.schenaev
        al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 11 New
        +2
        necessarily and unconditionally !!!
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 December 2017 07: 15 New
    +2
    ... the new is the long-forgotten old and cannot be avoided ...
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 December 2017 07: 17 New
    21
    And let's put the army in the uniform of the times of Peter the Great? fool What stupidity, to rush from one extreme to another? ??
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 29 December 2017 07: 28 New
      30
      It is hardly reasonable to pull out individual elements of the uniform from the general style of its era, otherwise, such a form can remind not Soviet officers of the late Stalin period, and not Russian uniforms of the XIX century sample, but this ...
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 December 2017 07: 39 New
        21
        The Russian postal administration has a uniform from Hugo Boss.
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 December 2017 07: 40 New
          10
          The imperial eagle works in special communications.
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 29 December 2017 08: 17 New
          +3
          The Russian postal administration has a uniform from Hugo Boss.

          smile Muller is not enough for him ...
        3. viktorch
          viktorch 29 December 2017 10: 10 New
          0
          burned the office
      2. verner1967
        verner1967 29 December 2017 07: 39 New
        12
        Quote: Per se.
        It is hardly reasonable to tear out individual elements of a uniform from the general style of her era

        I agree with you, but in addition to these "coils", apparently, there will come a collar of a "little rack", which was abandoned due to its inconvenience, although it is beautiful in its own way, but these are things of bygone days. I'm against.
        1. al.schenaev
          al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 14 New
          +4
          By the way, in the Navy the tunic was worn as a very convenient everyday uniform, but again it turned out to be out of work, removed from service, but the Navy officers (as in that joke) scored everything and continued to wear a tunic with a standing collar
      3. PalBor
        PalBor 29 December 2017 11: 43 New
        +8
        Quote: Per se.
        It is hardly reasonable to pull out individual elements of the uniform from the general style of its era, otherwise, such a form can remind not Soviet officers of the late Stalin period, and not Russian uniforms of the XIX century sample, but this ...

        In-in. I got one of my favorite books from the closet - Military clothing of the Russian army. M., 1994. There were similar buttonholes, but wider and paired, in the photo above it is similar. And what they are offering now is something new. all the advantages of Shoigu, he really loves all sorts of medals, pendants and embellishments.
        1. Victor Ermakov
          Victor Ermakov 2 January 2018 20: 47 New
          0
          Representatives of underdeveloped peoples always
          loved to wear all kinds of tsatskas, sables or
          squirrel tails. You won’t get enough of them all,
          have to look for a replacement.
          Sevastopol
      4. Serg koma
        Serg koma 29 December 2017 22: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: Per se.
        It is hardly reasonable to pull out individual elements of the uniform from the general style of its era, otherwise, such a form can remind not Soviet officers of the late Stalin period, and not Russian uniforms of the XIX century sample, but this ...

        Have you copied the "special chicken" of the RF special communications from this uniform?
        1. Altona
          Altona 31 December 2017 14: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Serg Koma
          Have you copied the "special chicken" of the RF special communications from this uniform?

          ----------------------------
          By the way, this chicken on a tunic is by no means harmless. It is a sign of a member of the NSDAP, an ideological Nazi.
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 1 January 2018 14: 05 New
            +2
            "Chicken" - Coat of arms of the Third Reich (eagle with a swastika)
            In accordance with the order of February 17, 1934, the new insignia - coat of arms of the 3rd Reich - Located horizontally on the right side of the chest at the level of the second button. Various styles of this sign are known: manual and machine embroidery. stamped metal. They were applied according to the rank of a soldier and uniforms. Handmade signs were especially distinguished by a wide variety of design options.
            https://militaryreview.su/91-znaki-na-uniforme-ve
            rmahta.html
            Quote: Altona
            By the way, this chicken on a tunic is by no means harmless. It is a sign of a member of the NSDAP, an ideological Nazi.

            With the "chicken" sorted out. Now about the "sign of the NSDAP member"
            fantasize to swastika, I don’t want this “spider” to show off.
            To visualize the Germans belonging to the Nazi party, the party badge of the NSDAP was established. These badges were worn both on official, including military, uniform, and on a civilian dress. The badge was worn on the left side of the chest, usually on the breast pocket or its flap (in common parlance it was disrespectfully called the "bull's eye"). In the presence of the 1st Class Iron Cross, the badge could be located either above it or below (or to the side). Attack aircraft and SS men, as well as NSDAP functionaries often wore a smaller version of the badge on their ties, often with the usual badge on their pockets. Badges were even awarded upon entry into the party in pairs: regular and reduced options

            red-white-black ribbon on the uniform of the Wehrmacht - tape of the iron cross of 2 degrees.
            PS Happy New Year !!!
            PPS The enemy must know in person laughing
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 29 December 2017 07: 29 New
      14
      Calci can be returned. And what? Distant ancestors were also notable warriors
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 29 December 2017 07: 33 New
      +8
      But in my opinion it’s beautiful. It looks decent! Then, this is a full-dress uniform, not a caliber rocket ... The country's defense capability does not undermine - it does not interfere with the Service. And adversaries are also traditions of wearing formal attire.
      1. al.schenaev
        al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 17 New
        +2
        dear comrade, the adversaries then observe the wearing of full dress uniforms, and who in our parades besides the cadets of the VVMU wears a dress, everything is in camouflage, and this is a field uniform and not a full dress uniform !!!
      2. Serg koma
        Serg koma 1 January 2018 14: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: 30 vis
        But in my opinion it’s beautiful. It looks decent!
        And the word "POLICE" sounds "beautiful."

        First, the Country, the Banner, then the Oath, then the "police" - the stages of "reform", to be continued ...
        Wait for the cancellation of the stars, and now they are not in favor at the State level in the Banner of the RF Armed Forces, they will soon fly off the shoulder straps following the example of coclandia.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 1 January 2018 21: 20 New
          0
          Happy New Year . Do not escalate!
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 3 January 2018 14: 41 New
            0
            Quote: 30 vis
            Happy New Year . Do not escalate!

            drinks
    4. spirit
      spirit 29 December 2017 07: 41 New
      +6
      We have at the head who? The king) that’s the army he wanted wink
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 December 2017 09: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      And let's put the army in the uniform of the times of Peter the Great?

      Duc, the form of "Peter" was "from foreigners"! wink
    6. BAI
      BAI 29 December 2017 09: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: Herkulesich
      And let's put the army in the uniform of the times of Peter the Great?

      And the company of the guard of honor is almost in it.
  5. BecmepH
    BecmepH 29 December 2017 07: 19 New
    40
    Under Shoigu, the Ministry of Emergencies was like roosters (decorated), and he “decorates the army” ((((And there is no money to increase the pension ...
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 29 December 2017 08: 18 New
      14
      Quote: BecmepH
      Under Shoigu, the Ministry of Emergency Situations was like roosters (decorated), and he “decorates the army” (((And there is no money to increase the pension.

      Bravo! And I want to add that all this costs MONEY! MONEY which is not enough for retirement and salaries of employees of the Moscow Region.
      1. melelele
        melelele 30 December 2017 18: 35 New
        0
        I also think that these uniforms should be given to pensioners and bulk bots
    2. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 19 New
      +3
      I work in the fire department, it’s like in the Ministry of Emergencies, but I have never been a rooster, which is what I wish you with such painted shoulder straps of the “lieutenant colonel”
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 31 December 2017 12: 21 New
        +4
        So you are the first here ... loudly. So get it.
  6. Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 December 2017 07: 26 New
    21
    We’ve moved completely off the coils! Can I add some ruffles to present an officer with a very clown? 21 century in the yard, is it really not noticeable?
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 29 December 2017 07: 47 New
      +8
      We are talking, as I understand it, about the parade uniform. And in the photo it looks pretty decent. In all ages, the military removed something, added something to their uniform. Normal process. This is not an army of robots, and military fashion also has a place to be. Nobody is going to enter the described elements in the field form.
      1. Moore
        Moore 29 December 2017 09: 58 New
        12
        Quote: Hagalaz
        We are talking, as I understand it, about the ceremonial uniform

        Well, yes, it was about him, who, for example, during the USSR, with the exception of the introduction of a shirt with white epaulets, did not change from 1969 to 1992. And at the same time in his cut is not out of date.
        What is now the need to change that everyday, that dress uniform every 2-3 years? They will accept an overcoat with a cut to the navel, then a jacket with a hood and a front belt.
        1. al.schenaev
          al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 21 New
          +2
          but about the jacket with a belt and a hood I noticed correctly, I look at the navy and I think: after all, they did pornography instead of navy chic
  7. Colonel
    Colonel 29 December 2017 07: 36 New
    19
    Historical memory is, of course, great. But in history there were leggings and buccles and braids and a lot of other "utilities." In the form of clothes there is nothing more to do?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 29 December 2017 09: 16 New
      +8
      Aty-bata, the soldiers marched
      With a song to the parade
      Maybe a hundred, maybe
      Even two hundred years ago.
      Left to right, the grenadiers,
      Above the shako
      In short, the situation
      Old enough.

      And the ladies stood at the side of the road
      They liked the soldiers
      Very very.
      And in what centuries do not live
      You won’t get anywhere from love.

      Ati-bats, soldiers were walking,
      Banner over the regiment.
      In a certain kingdom-state,
      Anyway, what.
      Grenadiers stood out
      Written beauty
      In a fashionable way on the ramrod
      Mustache twisted.


      Ati-bats, soldiers were walking,
      And from dads and moms
      Young ladies shared with them
      Secrets in half.
      And the grenadiers squinted
      Aside, barely
      On hats from excitement
      Lace trembled.
  8. Deck
    Deck 29 December 2017 07: 37 New
    15
    The same Munchausen, film:

    - Your Highness, maybe the whole thing is in our left wing? Is it unreliable?
    -Me and the center are bothering.
    -Maybe it is worthwhile, in this case, to raise the top from the top and lower the bottom from the bottom?
    -So let's do it. Two rows of grooves on the left, two on the right. The whole decision is at the waist! Where do you think we will be doing the waist? At chest level!
    - Brilliant! Brilliant, like everything is true.
    -It is exactly at chest level. Sixty six. I will not allow to lower the waist line to the hips. One hundred fifty five. In the end, we are the center of Europe, I will not allow all Spaniards there to dictate terms to us. If you want a detachable sleeve, please. If you want a pleated skirt with undercuts, I accept that too. But I won’t let you lower the waistline
  9. Altona
    Altona 29 December 2017 07: 59 New
    19
    Some kind of nonsense, to be honest. Let’s introduce the Hussars mentics and dolomanes, we’ll revive the epaulettes. Why? Firstly, it is beautiful. Apparently, under the guise of "returning to traditions", they want to return our army to the autocratic autocratic times and to reject the Soviet experience in general. With such a "return to tradition," they would rather revive some semblance of a Prussian or English uniform during the Boer War. Ukraine is sliding down to copy the American tunic, our "designers" are rushing straight ahead to the 1938 Hugo Boss. I don’t see any “historicity”, I see pulled out elements from different eras that form a terrible design hardcore.
    PS
    Duke: Where is my military uniform?
    Secretary: Please, Your Highness, please!
    Duke: What about ?! To me - in this? In single breasted? What are you? You do not know that no one is fighting in a single-breasted now? Disgrace! The war is at the threshold, but we are not ready! No, we are not ready for war!
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 29 December 2017 08: 08 New
      15
      Quote: Altona
      I don’t see any “historicity”, I see pulled out elements from different eras that form a terrible design hardcore.

      When I first saw the uniform from Mudashkin, the first thought was: is the shoulder strap on the chest a target for an enemy sniper?
      I don’t understand these gilded fintiflyushki on a stand-up collar. Does this increase the authority of the armed forces or strengthen the defense? give then also false shoulders, garters and other little things. Dear ayumine cockades on plastic? What for? Again, the state’s divorce for loot, then they will also scatter medals for selfless work in the sweat of their faces.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 29 December 2017 08: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Balu
        When I first saw the uniform from Mudashkin, the first thought was: is the shoulder strap on the chest a target for an enemy sniper?

        (the whole world is dragging and nothing) it is covered with an armor and unloading, do not write nonsense ... And yes, the uniform from Yudashkin was very different from the one that took the stools into service.
        1. BAI
          BAI 29 December 2017 09: 45 New
          +8
          it is covered with armor and unloading, do not write nonsense.

          If it is not visible, why is it needed?
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 29 December 2017 13: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: BAI
            If it is not visible, why is it needed?

            Are you in peacetime too in bronik? what
    2. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 24 New
      +1
      pulled out of the text: the Americans had a jacket with patch pockets, and only our military officers had a tunic
  10. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 29 December 2017 08: 04 New
    13
    What a nonsense! The stand-up collar was canceled not just like that, but because of its inconvenience ... People are different, neck length is different ... And if at least a small hint of excess weight? Something does not fit here ...
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 29 December 2017 08: 18 New
      +8
      And you are aware that now in the army and navy there are almost no overweight people! For excellent physical shape pay extra money. about 10 thousand rubles. For not satisfactory physical. form .. punished until the dismissal! I do not see full officers and midshipmen at the Black Sea Fleet! I am generally silent about contractors hi
      1. BAI
        BAI 29 December 2017 09: 44 New
        15
        And you are aware that now in the army and navy there are almost no overweight people!

        They are so absent that the Moscow Region was forced to issue an order to dismiss servicemen with a fourth degree of obesity from the Logistics Service.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 29 December 2017 15: 47 New
          0
          Here I am about the same ... Eat less, or in reserve due to obesity!
    2. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 28 New
      +3
      Who is it in our armed forces, besides the warlords, who wore a little collar? please tell me.
      if you don’t want to get a tunic in a warehouse, write out an outfit in the clothing service and you will be sewn in a tailor shop with a collar in the size of your bull neck (especially true for a coastal base)
  11. Vard
    Vard 29 December 2017 08: 17 New
    +6
    The dress form is intended not only for parades ... but also to lure girls ... and the more bright and shiny, the easier it is to do it ... so I think I’ll introduce more plumes and the problem will be solved ...
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 29 December 2017 08: 38 New
      +5
      And you can go further, revive the tactical structures of the 19th century. Attack in columns, meet enemy tanks in a square ........
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 December 2017 09: 56 New
      +9
      Oh, but I forgot about the plumes! Plumes is great! wink There are shakos ... now we need triangles and plumes! fellow
  12. Swar
    Swar 29 December 2017 08: 21 New
    +6
    Hmm "Roman column" "coil" how interesting? And people still call in their own way, for example, "bobbin". And it’s not really the matter of what the buttonholes will be called. The question arises of what the hell you need to come up with all these tsatskas and look like “sewing troops”!
  13. den3080
    den3080 29 December 2017 08: 25 New
    +5
    This paired sign of golden color, remotely resembling a Roman architectural column, is called a buttonhole. By the way, it has already become colloquially called a “spool” - allegedly because of its similarity to a wooden base for winding sewing threads. The modern buttonhole designed to be worn on the edges of the collar of the casual jacket of an officer of the Armed Forces of Russia, apparently, dates back to 1811.


    oh inspired me)))
    1. Swar
      Swar 29 December 2017 08: 34 New
      0
      You can’t say better! good
  14. RUSS
    RUSS 29 December 2017 08: 26 New
    +1
    Beautiful innovation!
  15. shura7782
    shura7782 29 December 2017 08: 30 New
    +5
    Pampering is all this. These standing collars in the troops will not take root. Not practical. There is nothing to spend time and money on this. Besides the external effect, what information do these coils carry?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 29 December 2017 13: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: shura7782
      Pampering is all this. These standing collars in the troops will not take root.

      No one will ask them, and secondly it’s a parade.
      1. shura7782
        shura7782 29 December 2017 14: 48 New
        0
        That is beautiful and no one asks - no doubt, it really is. From the side you can admire as much as you like. But only. this holiday is for Shrovetide for the horse. Those. Wearing it at high temperatures is not great.
    2. cannabis
      cannabis 29 December 2017 17: 11 New
      +2
      I happened to wear a parade and with a standing collar and buttonholes. I never liked the uniform with a turn-down collar. That "pesh", that everyday with sewn-on epaulets, and even a shirt with a "herring" are uncomfortable, but what used to be worn "with a bang" is tank overalls. Modern types of field forms such as "a hill, this is exactly what you need. A tunic in the form of a tunic, the one in the photo, is easier to manufacture, and therefore cheaper. But here are the gingerbread cookies - coils" this is a naprish’s mare’s tail "and smacks of" demobel handicraft " .
  16. osoboye_mneniye
    osoboye_mneniye 29 December 2017 08: 31 New
    +5
    I guess I don’t know something ... but why fix the caps on my head with a fishing line-noose when there is a regular braid ??? Explain ..
    1. oldzek
      oldzek 29 December 2017 08: 48 New
      +3
      probably it has long been decorative. as I don’t know ... I was normal, but I served in the Soviet Army. Actually, it was called a chin strap.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 29 December 2017 13: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: oldzek
        I served in the Soviet Army. Actually, it was called a chin strap.

        Yes, you are right, but according to the poverty of the state budget, instead of lacquered leather, there was some kind of paper crap attached.
    2. cannabis
      cannabis 29 December 2017 17: 15 New
      +3
      Until 75, everyday caps had black, loose straps. They were removed, but stupidly removed. Here, the Cubans on the cap have a German-style woven cord and a strap. And ours have to dress parade caps to the head with cloves to pin or fasten with ropes.
      1. Dedall
        Dedall 29 December 2017 20: 57 New
        +2
        I put a rolled scarf under a dermatine welt.
        But seriously, the last Soviet uniform seemed to me the most convenient. He stroked it and forgot about it for a month. And she shone and did not roll in spools. I also liked the fact that I freely did splits in trousers. And then he got the Grachevskaya and they immediately burst with this trick.
      2. al.schenaev
        al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 32 New
        +3
        why until the 75th ?, on the 4th year in 85 got midshipmen with a spread out strap, I sweat this on an officer cap under a twisted cord
    3. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 30 New
      +1
      so Shoigu is not a soldier, he is a BUILDER !!!
  17. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 29 December 2017 08: 40 New
    +6
    When will caps in size be reduced? It is noted that the stupider the authorities and the poorer the country, the more caps.
    It's a pity to look at the cops running after the criminals, with a cap under their armpits.
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 29 December 2017 08: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Alex Justice
      It's a pity to look at the cops running after the criminals, with a cap under their armpits.

      Putin allowed not to run - to wet on the spot.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 December 2017 09: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Alex Justice
      It's a pity to look at the cops running after the criminals, with a cap under their armpits.

      Peak caps have forgotten! belay
    3. verner1967
      verner1967 29 December 2017 13: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Alex Justice
      When will caps in size be reduced?

      So what year are the "leather jackets" worn, where did you see the "airfields"?
      1. al.schenaev
        al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 33 New
        +1
        not everyone wears, naval officers scored on these forages, though not all
  18. Altona
    Altona 29 December 2017 09: 34 New
    +4
    Quote: Vard
    The dress form is intended not only for parades ... but also to lure girls ... and the more bright and shiny, the easier it is to do it ... so I think I’ll introduce more plumes and the problem will be solved ...

    --------------------------------------
    Skewers, it is necessary to enter and accommodation in private houses. The ladies will whisper enthusiastically “hussars (sorry, marines) in the city” and a year later, when the regiment leaves the city, these ladies will tear off muscular handsome men holding on to the handrails of baby strollers with pink-tailed babies. laughing laughing
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 29 December 2017 10: 27 New
      0
      will Russia’s borders expand so quickly?
      or retreat to the tundra?
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 29 December 2017 11: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      clutching the handrails of baby strollers with pink-cheeked babies

      screaming: dad, dad, where is my paaapaaaa?
      1. Spez
        Spez 29 December 2017 13: 47 New
        +2
        not where, but which of them))
    3. cannabis
      cannabis 29 December 2017 17: 17 New
      +1
      “There are quite a few examples in garrison camps that children look like Mr. officers.” Kozma Prutkov.
    4. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 35 New
      +1
      a little nuance: pink-cheeked babies in vestments in a black and white strip
  19. BAI
    BAI 29 December 2017 09: 41 New
    +2
    Do nothing. "If you introduce a new form - wait for military reform!"
  20. Dormidont
    Dormidont 29 December 2017 09: 56 New
    +2
    Is it worth breaking spears? Everyday and field uniform should be modern and practical. And the front door should be beautiful. Though not very practical and slightly inconvenient. But for the sake of a few hours, you can tolerate. Bring back the pre-revolutionary parade.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 29 December 2017 16: 04 New
      +8
      In SA, the parade was both beautiful and comfortable. In some places there was even a "ceremonial combat" - that is, it was possible to fight in it. And now - they are introducing a solid masquerade. Praise be to Allah that I have long been retired laughing
  21. Maz
    Maz 29 December 2017 10: 03 New
    11
    Quote: PValery53
    To revive the traditions lost (since the Victory in the Great War) are healthy conservatism.

    Yah? Have you ever commanded a company of a hundred and twenty snouts? The combat drill in the regiment participated? Are we supposed to perform on stage or fight to learn? The nonsense of the rear service. Look, let Alexandrov’s ensemble wear these coils.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 29 December 2017 16: 09 New
      +9
      I commanded a company of 120 "snouts" - on a business trip to the Special School of Brigade. After reconnaissance, it was something! laughing And I agree with you - let the ensemble wear it. Although in Soviet uniform they looked great! I would have left her.
  22. Mikhail Filippov
    Mikhail Filippov 29 December 2017 10: 05 New
    +2
    The main thing is not the form, the main thing is the content
  23. viktorch
    viktorch 29 December 2017 10: 12 New
    +6
    the more insignificant military work is, the more decorations
  24. olhon
    olhon 29 December 2017 10: 12 New
    +4
    I'm against. On a uniform in a closet I definitely will not replace them.
    1. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 37 New
      +2
      in my closet all my form of 1999 hangs, 45 sec and I'm ready to go to war
  25. trophy
    trophy 29 December 2017 10: 46 New
    13
    Here's an honest pioneer bullied! Either a shoulder strap on the belly, then a tag on the chest, then medals on the T-shirt, then the stars are smooth and then again embossed. For 25 years of service, NEVER had a complete set of forms. There was always something missing. And as soon as I collect, a new one is introduced. Now, again, most likely it will be according to the old scheme: if you want to give birth, you want to steal, but by 18.00:XNUMX pm there should be a photo of everyone in a new shape and joyful faces. TROUGH UP!
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 29 December 2017 16: 12 New
      +6
      And it was necessary to serve in the Soviet army! laughing There were no problems with the form drinks
    2. Bobrovsky
      Bobrovsky 30 December 2017 12: 32 New
      +3
      It’s been a while since they joked - in our army they don’t wear uniforms, but they are wearing it. I did not have time to get used to this, as another is introduced. Now the whole army is wearing uniforms designed for field and war, and not for everyday wear. You look - not the military, but the collective farmers who left the barn.
  26. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 29 December 2017 10: 55 New
    +2
    If we drop all the jokes, then this is an interweaving of old and new traditions in the Armed Forces, I think this is normal.
  27. PFT
    PFT 29 December 2017 10: 58 New
    +5
    I believe that this is just another stupid thing and it’s not about the “coil”. It is necessary that the form is convenient and practical, and the stand-up collar and button down the throat on the front uniform, the stand must be hemmed or a scarf, but they are not visible in the photo, then erase the whole tunic !!!
  28. ZVS
    ZVS 29 December 2017 11: 06 New
    10
    Again, standing collars that were extremely uncomfortable.
    Modern Russia is not capable of inventing anything new in military uniform and is ready to go to the 19th century in order to only remove the image reminiscent of the Soviet period of the Armed Forces.
    When the brains of the leadership of Moscow Oblast will fall into place and they will understand that it is not the form that is important, but the content.
    1. cannabis
      cannabis 29 December 2017 17: 29 New
      +4
      The modern form must beat warm as a sweatshirt, hard as a bulletproof vest and sovsem-sovsem inconspicuous. It’s high time for fur tank headsets to be covered with a plastic helmet, and tankers, self-propelled gunners and techies’s overalls to be sewn from refractory material like the racers of Formula 1.
    2. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 39 New
      +2
      ask about the standing collars of the navy, they will tell you which side of the forest to attack and what to shout instead of “Hurray”
  29. Topotun
    Topotun 29 December 2017 12: 44 New
    +8
    In one of the books, the opinion of American military psychologists was voiced - the more bright trinkets on the uniform, the larger the pistol on the belt, the less combat-ready the army ... The meaning of this innovation is not very clear. The military uniform should not shine like the clothes of Kirkorov on stage. But this is a subjective opinion - maybe I'm wrong.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 29 December 2017 19: 34 New
      +3
      Right, unfortunately right! ... The whiskers of the heroes adorn, and the spurs give courage .... so what did the "sages" think?
      1. Bobrovsky
        Bobrovsky 30 December 2017 12: 34 New
        +1
        The hussar's mustache is decorated, they give the hussar the look. Mustache girls embarrassed, mustache sweep the streets.
  30. Spez
    Spez 29 December 2017 13: 25 New
    +6
    The buttonhole design shown in the photo is absolutely not compatible in style with either a tunic or shoulder straps. Another excrement from another M. Udashkin ...
  31. sergo1914
    sergo1914 29 December 2017 14: 30 New
    +3
    19th century? Well, here you can borrow a lot of things ...

    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 29 December 2017 19: 32 New
      +3
      It remains for everyone to fasten spurs and a shako with cuirasses! No mind - count the cripple!
  32. Doliva63
    Doliva63 29 December 2017 15: 44 New
    +8
    My father wore similar ones - it looked good, of course. But the main thing in the army is not form, but content. The special forces once wore an infantry “color”, but was prepared, to put it mildly, no worse than today. Money is nothing to spend? I see no other answer.
  33. myobius59
    myobius59 29 December 2017 16: 33 New
    +4
    In a madhouse and felt boots fuck. So these, with their buttonholes, came off the “coils”. There seems to be no more problems, how to change the uniform every year.
  34. Seal
    Seal 29 December 2017 18: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: Warrior with machine gun
    which sailors are almost two hundred years old

    Well, for two hundred years you have overly swung.
    Vests appeared around the end of the 1850s. Initially, vests of various kinds were prepared for squadrons that went on long journeys abroad. And only then, after about 20 years, the vests “knitted from wool in half with paper” (that is, with cotton) —white, with transverse blue stripes — were approved. It was initially established that the white stripes are four times wider than the blue ones, but in January 1875 they clarified that the stripes should be the same width. During the long voyage abroad, the crew was allowed to replace the approved material samples with “relevant local industry items”.

    And where did you get the information that the navy vests are canceled?
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 29 December 2017 19: 32 New
      +3
      And you look at the white shirts in sections of tunics of all from admirals to midshipmen !!! Looking disgusting!
      1. al.schenaev
        al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 43 New
        +1
        body, learn the materiel, the horseradish expert, this one on which tunic there are cuts, look on Wikipedia or stupidly just type in the search engine “The uniform of the personnel of the USSR Navy” and look at the odd thing that I wore in my remy
  35. Wolka
    Wolka 29 December 2017 19: 03 New
    +3
    so similar in form something the Fritz had
  36. vladikod
    vladikod 29 December 2017 19: 24 New
    +4
    Regarding the return of the "retro", especially in military uniform, it is important not to overdo it ... Thus, you can get to the hussar uniforms and mentics with sewing ... However, as can be seen from the photos, some "individuals" have already come to this ... Interesting but as regards to the irregular form and the rules of wearing it, modern patrols belong ... I remember in our time flares were ripped up in commandant’s offices, deprived of dismissal and forced to march with militia at the commandant’s office, instead of dismissal ... God forbid, dressing in DMB with extraordinary "excesses "... They could easily have detained the DMB.
  37. LeonidL
    LeonidL 29 December 2017 19: 30 New
    +1
    This is all from the evil one - an extra waste of money and effort, and it’s uncomfortable and by no means beautiful what was beautiful a hundred years ago!
  38. Dedall
    Dedall 29 December 2017 20: 44 New
    +4
    Yes, all the military have long been saying that this Shoigu is a "uniform" maniac. Ever since his command of the Ministry of Emergencies, his passion for the annual change of shape and attaching all kinds of buttonholes-chevrons-buttons-stars has been noticed. Probably, the role is played by his "wild" Tuvan genetics.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 29 December 2017 21: 04 New
      +2
      Yes, all the military have long been saying that this Shoigu is a "uniform" maniac

      First, Shoigu, as Minister of Defense, introduced casual lacquered shoes instead of unvarnished shoes. In psychology, this is an inferiority complex.
      1. al.schenaev
        al.schenaev 29 December 2017 23: 56 New
        +3
        I work in the fire department, you know how to get it with these all kinds of stripes. especially with a surname, besides at own expense.
        Previously, the name of the commander in the conversation could not be mentioned, but now we have no secrets from the bourgeois
  39. Severok
    Severok 29 December 2017 21: 15 New
    +3
    They will replace metal with plastic ... For some reason, I am against plastic, some kind of antipathy, you know. And to return the form of buttonholes - why not? Only it is necessary to think over this business properly. After all, how much money will be spent on updating the form, and who is taking it? That's it.

    I have the honor.
  40. terapevt
    terapevt 29 December 2017 21: 19 New
    +3
    It was a beautiful form ...
  41. earloop
    earloop 29 December 2017 23: 13 New
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    Not a person decorates a form, but a man a form. In the military, any form looks beautiful. Moreover, the fewer “accessories” and “cocky excesses”, the more beautiful. The shape should be comfortable to wear. I did not cut my "cavalry" overcoat, for which "she" saved me in harsh field conditions.
    1. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 30 December 2017 00: 03 New
      +1
      back in 1984, our school (KVVMKU named after S.M. Kirov) participated in the 111th parade in Moscow.
      I didn’t get into the parade regiment (I switched places in the ranks with my neighbor on time, he went, but I heated the stoves in the apartment team and my overcoat was not cut off.
      it was in the 2nd year, after the 3rd year the overcoat was changed, and since the sock did not work out, in the 4th year we got these overcoats).
      In 1985, the faculty was transferred to Sevastopol (there was a reactor at SVVMIU, and I have the faculty of RHBZ), and our guys went on dismissal in the undercut (40 cm to the bottom of the floor, as in a parade), they brought so many comments on the first day, the bosses over their heads grabbed, but the guys didn’t change the clipped overcoats.
      Here the competition was dismissed for our uncut (cavalry) overcoats!
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 30 December 2017 13: 48 New
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        And in our school I remember there was a mania for the theft of bracelets from overcoats. This got the company man, he ordered all the straps to be sewn, and after that he carried out a shmon in the bedside tables. Each student in the nightstand had a spare strap. laughing
  42. ustinov.yuri
    ustinov.yuri 29 December 2017 23: 29 New
    +1
    Life Guards Lithuanian Regiment? What hints, their legs will be taken away!
  43. polygon_v
    polygon_v 29 December 2017 23: 57 New
    +1
    The form is beautiful, no words. The question is different. Whether it is needed. Maybe just to develop a beautiful and convenient exit form, on the basis of which it will be possible to complete both the ceremonial form and the festive form, for example, for the theater, and
    just out of service. The office uniform, of course, is comfortable, and in its own way, beautiful, ... for work. And it's just a shame to walk down the street in it. Rob has a robe.
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  45. Sebastian Pereira
    Sebastian Pereira 30 December 2017 12: 16 New
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    For me, it would be better to return the stand-up collar as on the uniforms of the beginning of the 19th century.
  46. Victor Pavlovich
    Victor Pavlovich 30 December 2017 13: 36 New
    +1
    Yes zadolbali !!! Money in the budget before? Or should I give someone money?
  47. Berkut24
    Berkut24 30 December 2017 17: 25 New
    +2
    The stand-up collar as a neck gets dirty. I’ll remember how the gateway hemmed every day for 4 years, already ...
  48. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 30 December 2017 19: 30 New
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    And I liked the wording "being in the rank of colonel." A lot of interesting things have happened and are happening in the sun; you can’t keep track of everything. wink
  49. rocket757
    rocket757 30 December 2017 21: 10 New
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    Madhouse!
    Although the ostrich feathers are in the MF, the quality of the sun does not change from this!
  50. Victorio
    Victorio 30 December 2017 21: 23 New
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    stand-up collar adorns the uniform, gives some severity and masculinity to the military. maybe Kant on top of the color according to the type of troops and enough
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 30 December 2017 22: 11 New
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      Madhouse! It is either masculinity, or it simply does not exist and there is simply nothing to emphasize!