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Can Borey-B destroy American AUG? About the resonant statement of Vasily Dandykin

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On November 7, 2017, during the board meeting of the Ministry of Defense, Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, announced the launch of a program to develop an improved modification of the 955B Borey-B strategic missile cruiser. The design of the updated version of the SSBNs based on the improved hull from Borey-A Ave. 955A, specialists of the Central Design Bureau of Marine Equipment Rubin (CDB MT Rubin) will be engaged at the beginning of 2018, while the laying of the first SSBN should take place no later than 2023 of the year. According to numerous experts, the Borey-B, despite its belonging only to the improved fourth generation SSBN, will be able to represent the advanced submarine component of Russia's nuclear triad for several decades, perfectly complementing the multipurpose impact capabilities of the low-noise submarines of 885M Yashen-M and promising "Huskies" by the power of multi-unit nuclear "equipment" of the 3М-30 "Bulava" SLBM.

At the same time, according to statements of some military experts directly related to the Navy, Borey-B will be fully capable of complementing or even replacing (of course, if necessary) the Ash and Husky in their direct assignment - the implementation of massed rocket strikes on strategically important surface and ground targets of the enemy with the use of anti-ship and strategic cruise missiles of the Caliber-PL and Onyx families, as well as preemptive torpedo attacks on the underwater and above-ground enemy dix. The presence of such capabilities in promising nuclear submarines of the 955B “Borey-B” project was recently told to the 360 publication by a military specialist, captain of the 1 rank, Vasily Dandykin.

Nevertheless, this opinion caused a fairly large resonance in the comments of some military analysts and news Runet resources, which began to copy-paste interviews with V. Dandykin from Polyexpert and 360. Not without the participation of the well-known analytical / news resource "Military Parity", where in the comments to Dandykin's statement one could see many negative statements in relation to the existing and promising variants of the 955 / M SSBN Borei / Borey-M. In particular, the submarines of the project, in accordance with the firmly entrenched in the American navy the stereotype of the Soviet nuclear submarines of the 2nd and 3rd generations, called "roaring cows ... not intended for quiet conflicts." Another commentator, an “expert”, with 100% probability claims that, literally: “any Virginia will open Borey-B before its crew begins to realize that in the immediate vicinity of the AUG US Navy.” But let's think, starting not from the empty guesses of the pseudo-expert commentators, but from the technical merits of the existing modifications of the Boreev described in official sources.

Like all modern foreign nuclear submarines carrying ballistic missiles (including Le Triomphant and Ohio), the Borey 955A project is represented by an advanced general construction 2-hkaskadnaya depreciation system based on several platforms with individual groups of rubber-cord pneumatic shock absorbers. All mechanical elements generating vibration waves (including a single-shaft PTU with a main turbo-gear unit OK-9BM with 50 power, thousand hp, a nuclear power plant with a water-cooled reactor and a steam generating plant OK-650B, as well as alternating turbine generators current OK-2 and diesel generators), which without damping structures form sonar waves, adding dozens of “critical” decibels.

Also, specialized rubber anhydroacoustic coatings were used to reduce acoustic visibility. The hydrodynamic propulsion unit GRDK-3.5М complements the picture, providing the Borey-A submarines with a level of acoustic visibility comparable to the same MAPL of 885 Alyan, considering that in the early versions there are no jet propulsion systems. And now let's think for a moment: if strategic missile submarine cruisers of the 667BDRM Dolphin (3 generation), which are distinguished by a very honorable age and lack of water cannons, were detected by an American hydroacoustic system AN / BQQ-5 in the unfavorable hydrological situation MAPL class "Los Angeles") at a distance of 10 km, and in good (calm) - 30 km. Moreover, on the “Dolphins” there is a twin propulsion system, represented by low-noise fixed-pitch 5-bladed screws. It is not difficult to guess that the updated “Borei-B”, to which they “threaten” to install an even more advanced water-jet, can be detected by the above GAK at a distance of up to 10 km (in difficult hydrological conditions).

At a distance of 15 — 25 km, the updated Borey can be detected by the AN / BQQ-10 (V) 4 hydroacoustic complex, which is the basis of the Virginia low-noise multi-purpose nuclear submarines, and the more modern wide-aperture GAS of the LAB type (installed on Virginia The “3 block” will cope with the task at a distance of 35 — 45 km, which will also not be enough for the full defense of several US Navy AUGs operating at a great distance from each other. As for the capabilities of the SQS-53B / C SAR installed on class destroyers Arley Burk and Ticonderoga cruisers, their sensitivity is unlikely to detect the Borey-B even in the middle of the first far-field acoustic illumination, and this is a real problem for US carrier strike forces, because the same torpedo UGST “Physic” or TPS-53 has an 50 km range, which means that AUG can be attacked by Borey-B without entering the SQS-53B / C sonar systems and other GUS given to the AN / SQQ-89 system (especially in complex hydrological conditions).

At the same time, the submarines of the updated 955B project will be built around the promising combat information and control system Omnibus and the improved Irkysh-Afor-Borey SAR, able to detect the AUG acoustic profile at a distance of 250 km. Consequently, in the duel situation, “Borey-B”, if it will lose to “Virginia”, is insignificant, and this will definitely give an opportunity to deliver a crushing blow to the surface enemy from a distance of more than 200 km, using the 3XXUMUME anti-ship missile from 54 mm torpedo tubes or other anti-ship vehicles from transport-launch glasses installed in adapted cells of mine launchers by analogy with Ohio.

Information sources:
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=19084
https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20171117/1509047820.html
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-338.html
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  1. 955535
    955535 29 December 2017 07: 29 New
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    Since when did strategic missile carriers begin to perform functions that were not inherent to them? Akin to nailing with a microscope.
    1. Vard
      Vard 29 December 2017 08: 13 New
      +5
      It seems that the AUG ... as absolutely useless in a modern war ... will be destroyed in the last turn ... And the author’s calculations about the detection range are incomprehensible ... all the same ten kilometers ...
      1. Sergey-8848
        Sergey-8848 2 January 2018 20: 41 New
        +1
        Very quickly, with one blow, and in the subsequent short time, nobody will ever pay any attention to all this AUG-mess.
        All the time, questions are being discussed that some anti-ship missiles are better than others, and our PLO systems (air defense, gun mounts, etc.) are inferior to the new Icelandic or Faroese ones. With the US Navy and their minions, we can fight only once, and quickly, so the most important thing is intelligence.
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 29 December 2017 21: 46 New
      +5
      It is believed that the articles on V.O. you need to start reading from the end, those from the author, if I see Kaptsov and Damantsev - I read at best diagonally.
      1. sub307
        sub307 30 December 2017 12: 44 New
        +4
        Yes, nonsense, of course, "mare", if not read at least diagonally, at least "from right to left." There are such people - called graphomaniacs.
    3. Kudrevkn
      Kudrevkn 29 December 2017 22: 28 New
      +4
      "Since when ...?" Ever since the time of Borodin !? Remember, Colleague, _ "horses are mixed in a bunch, people ..."? Reading such articles and the "competent opinions of military experts", I recall some "excesses" in the underwater domestic shipbuilding that took place and were told to us, cadets of the Red Banner Shipbuilding Department of VVMIOLU by the general designers and leading shipbuilders and teachers, real MARINE WOLVES who taught us, are ", what should be the" teeth "(warships) in our Navy! And now, reading this nonsense or the" analytics "of Sivkov, I understand - Bullshit or BSK! Happy New Year to all! And I wish individual" authors "that Grandfather Frost like Goodwin Strasile made a "smart" Christmas tree gift!
      1. Sharky
        Sharky 5 January 2018 22: 17 New
        0
        told general constructor

        A colleague with higher education, you also write the word bearing through "b"? wink
        1. Kudrevkn
          Kudrevkn 10 January 2018 12: 38 New
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          Sorry, Colleague, naval habit is not a compass, but a campas (beats for the second syllable), Murmansk, etc.
  2. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 29 December 2017 08: 49 New
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    "... At a range of 15-25 km, the updated Borey can be detected by the sonar complex AN / BQQ-10 (V) 4, which is the basis of Virginia class boats, a wide-aperture LAS type LAS (installed on Virginia" 3- block ") will cope with the task at a distance of 35-45 km ..."
    And maybe undetected, hydrology it is. It is one thing in the Atlantic and another thing in the Mediterranean, the Black and Baltic Seas, and the North, where conditions can be much more complicated. Poles at one time to staff members in exercises through the mediation of pr.641. not a "B" nose wiped. Water cannon again. Few boats collided and surfaced in an order from an aircraft carrier ...
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 4 January 2018 00: 10 New
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      What? Nissan? Wait, you'll be a "Passat" ...
      Always happy for cats with confidence in the look.
    2. NikWik
      NikWik 5 January 2018 15: 39 New
      +1
      This cat’s name is Vasily. he served on TRK SN TK-13 under the command of cap. 1 rank of Astana. The Pied Piper was a noble (cat, not Astana). Regarding hydrology, you are absolutely right- "she is." But personally, something else surprises me in this article- Since when has BIUS OMNIBUS become promising?
  3. sd68
    sd68 29 December 2017 10: 23 New
    +5
    The author is strong. The Americans have already rushed to cut and donate useless Arly Burke to metal, despite the fact that they have 2 a.m.
    "Helicopters PLO? No, not heard ..."
  4. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 29 December 2017 10: 41 New
    +4
    Consequently, in a duel situation, Borey-B, if it loses to Virginia, is insignificant, and this, of course, will make it possible to deliver a crushing blow to a surface enemy from a distance of more than 200 km, using anti-ship missiles 3M54E from 533-mm torpedo tubes or other anti-ship vehicles from carrier launchers installed in adapted cells of silo launchers by analogy with Ohio.

    Smart strategy - before a possible start of a nuclear war, exchange your SSBNs for AV. fool
    It is strange that no one suggested using the PGRK launcher to launch the KR and NURS.
    1. bk316
      bk316 29 December 2017 12: 45 New
      +5
      So I did not understand: do our Boreas now hunt for AUG?
      Then they should do it this way: surfaced a few thousand kilometers from the AUG, far from any PLO and Virginia, received target designation from satellites, released ICBMs, dived, left
      1. sd68
        sd68 29 December 2017 17: 26 New
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        ICG ICBMs do not shoot
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 29 December 2017 23: 37 New
          +2
          Conventions do not allow?
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2017 12: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: DalaiLama
            Conventions do not allow?

            the technique does not allow
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 30 December 2017 16: 06 New
              0
              In the understanding of the Old, 26 if only then it is not a fact.
    2. Tsoy
      Tsoy 29 December 2017 12: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Smart strategy - before a possible start of a nuclear war, exchange your SSBNs for AV.


      This is Daman. A fruitful author, who wraps such pearls in almost every article, that at least stand still.
    3. engineer74
      engineer74 29 December 2017 16: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Smart strategy - before a possible start of a nuclear war, exchange your SSBNs for AV.

      Can be exchanged after the start of a nuclear war, with the spent main ammunition ...
      PS Where is my Russian Flag ????
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 December 2017 16: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: engineer74
        Can be exchanged after the start of a nuclear war, with the spent main ammunition ...

        After the start of a nuclear war, it will no longer be possible to exchange. For there will be nowhere for reloading SLBM mines with cruise missiles. And nobody will let us approach the launch range of torpedoes.
      2. Serg koma
        Serg koma 31 December 2017 06: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: engineer74
        PS Where is my Russian Flag ????

        Justas Alexu
        From today you work undercover. Legend and money in bookmark number 7. The task was sent by Russian Post to the address: poste restante.
        Hold on - WE rely on you.
        Happy New Year!!!
        Moscow, Kremlin, Eustace
  5. Old26
    Old26 29 December 2017 13: 03 New
    +6
    Yeah, it seems like the New Year holidays with libations have not yet begun, and the articles turned. We had little expert - captain 1st rank Sivkov, so now another caperang has drawn. Sailboats in addition to multipurpose boats? Maybe on the contrary, multipurpose complement the striking power of SSBNs? So I see this enchanting sight. I discovered Borey, we’ll sing the AUG’s enemy with the HOOK, surfaced with a trim on the nose at 60 degrees, let out its “Clubs” (horizontally) on the AUG, so that when you approach the AUG you’ll split your head and sink again with a sense of accomplishment, so that wait for the next AUG.
    No, to try to write this, I already, alas, do not have enough health. Here 3-5 liters of vodka can not do without a snack ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 December 2017 16: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: Old26
      So I see this enchanting sight. He discovered Borey, we’ll sing the AUG’s enemy with the HOOK, surfaced with a trim on the nose at 60 degrees, let out his “Clubs” (horizontally) on the AUG, so that on the approach to the AUG the head will be divided into several and again plunged with a sense of accomplishment, so that wait for the next AUG.

      Better with a roll of 70 degrees. And fine adjustment of the mine’s IOC by moving the crew. "First compartment: the thickest - two steps to the port side! .. another step ... stop!".
      1. sabotage
        sabotage 30 December 2017 11: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: Old26
        So I see this enchanting sight. He discovered Borey, we’ll sing the AUG’s enemy with the HOOK, surfaced with a trim on the nose at 60 degrees, let out his “Clubs” (horizontally) on the AUG, so that on the approach to the AUG the head will be divided into several and again plunged with a sense of accomplishment, so that wait for the next AUG.

        Better with a roll of 70 degrees. And fine adjustment of the mine’s IOC by moving the crew. "First compartment: the thickest - two steps to the port side! .. another step ... stop!".

        As my director would say: "Well, that is a theoretical possibility. It’s good. It remains to be tested in practice."
      2. passerby5
        passerby5 2 January 2018 20: 53 New
        0
        no, it’s necessary to lay this turn, well, and a fat man on that board, and you can direct it, direct fire)))
    2. sd68
      sd68 29 December 2017 22: 15 New
      0
      Refers to captain Dandykin
    3. the most important
      the most important 30 December 2017 19: 15 New
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      Quote: Old26
      No, to try to write this, I already, alas, do not have enough health. Here 3-5 liters of vodka can not do without a snack ...

      And try changing the name to "young" and the forces will appear !!!
  6. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 29 December 2017 14: 11 New
    +3
    Borey B will be able to crush the American AUGs by striking nuclear missiles at their locations.
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 29 December 2017 15: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: VohaAhov
      Borey B will be able to crush the American AUGs by striking nuclear missiles at their locations.


      What is KOH for Carrier Groups?
      Do they always stand in the bases?
      Do you know about replenishment on the go? Have you seen?
      1. VohaAhov
        VohaAhov 29 December 2017 16: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: ZVO
        Quote: VohaAhov
        Borey B will be able to crush the American AUGs by striking nuclear missiles at their locations.


        What is KOH for Carrier Groups?
        Do they always stand in the bases?
        Do you know about replenishment on the go? Have you seen?

        And I did not write that they will destroy ALL AUG. I wrote about the fact that they can destroy aircraft carriers located in the bases. I know about KOH and replenishment, but not all 100% of aircraft carriers are at sea. Part is upheld in the bases, and here they can be destroyed. And about the use of Borea B as a multipurpose nuclear submarine, or anti-aircraft submarine, this, in my opinion, is complete nonsense.
  7. Anatoly Yakovlev
    Anatoly Yakovlev 29 December 2017 15: 57 New
    +2
    Uraaaaaaaaaaa
  8. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 29 December 2017 16: 24 New
    +2
    The Russian Navy is the strongest in the WORLD !!!
  9. VladVlad
    VladVlad 29 December 2017 16: 31 New
    0
    Americans are smart, cunning and treacherous! They long ago found a way to track our submarines to 10 km depth. But our military does not think so. And do not care if such stupid.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 29 December 2017 16: 59 New
      +2
      Yeah. They trained giant squids. Before Coca-Cola, they could not resist.
  10. Tektor
    Tektor 29 December 2017 23: 22 New
    0
    AUG can be crushed only if the technical possibility of a SIMULTANEOF approach to AUG more than 16 anti-ship missiles is provided. Can torpedo tubes provide such a salvo? Those. can the first issued anti-ship missiles barrage in the launch area, waiting for the release of the required number of anti-ship missiles?
  11. Old26
    Old26 30 December 2017 12: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: sabotage
    As my director would say: “Well, there is a theoretical possibility. That’s good. It remains to be tested in practice. "

    Nafig nafig. Let the strategists go about their business, and not hunt for AUG

    Quote: Kurochkin
    The Russian Navy is the strongest in the WORLD !!!

    Kamrad! Now is not the morning of January 1. Or did you start celebrating already on Friday? Such a bold statement can only be made by accepting not 100 grams on the chest.
  12. Mikhail Anokhin
    Mikhail Anokhin 30 December 2017 16: 10 New
    +1
    The whole question is, for what kind of war do we need Boreas and other missile carriers.
    For local wars with non-nuclear powers such as in Syria?
    Or the expectation of a clash with a nuclear power?
    If the second, then this is not a war in its usual tasks, but the destruction of the human race, or rather, the civilization of consumers!
  13. Old26
    Old26 30 December 2017 19: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: the most important
    Quote: Old26
    No, to try to write this, I already, alas, do not have enough health. Here 3-5 liters of vodka can not do without a snack ...

    And try changing the name to "young" and the forces will appear !!!

    No, you have to drink too much. Even for a good snack, with our Caucasian dishes - even that is beyond the power good
  14. ilik54
    ilik54 31 December 2017 11: 41 New
    +3
    Why do we need to destroy the AUG? We have a land country, we are not going to attack in the open ocean, and we will destroy AUG near the coast with the mosquito fleet Zircons and Caliber, in addition, we have powerful VKS, they will also not sit idle. Moreover, now our aircraft may not even enter the enemy’s air defense zone, destroying them with cruise missiles at distant approaches. EWs are now deployed around our bases in Syria, the Kaliningrad region and the Black Sea, which created impenetrable bubbles for all electronics, including for satellites. They don’t see anything there! Information from the network, so that all claims go there. And it is necessary to destroy immediately the source of the threat, that is, the United States. Well, and here academician Andrei Sakharov has long been invented by nuclear charges along the US coast and “Status-6” in addition. With the development of military technology, everything has changed, including the psychology of war, what was relevant 20-30 years ago is no longer important. However, this does not preclude the improvement and improvement of existing weapons.
    1. leo1946
      leo1946 6 January 2018 14: 20 New
      0
      Not charges, but 1 torpedo charge of 500Mt according to East Coast USA will suffice.
  15. Savignon
    Savignon 1 January 2018 20: 21 New
    0
    Someone was trying to read about the enmity of some spiders in the bank from under the Internet, the sofa and the sneaky grind coy-stolz und alles pukan bombard.
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  17. Fury
    Fury 6 January 2018 18: 59 New
    +1
    And who said that Borey-B type submarines cannot be equipped with cruise missiles ?! It is possible, but in order for these submarines to be able to do something, they need to be built and transferred to the fleet, and not to breed theoretical discussions.
  18. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 12 January 2018 01: 14 New
    0
    Now let's think for a moment: if the strategic missile submarines, pr. 667BDRM “Dolphin” (3rd generation), which are distinguished by their very honorable age and lack of a water jet, were detected in the unfavorable hydrological environment by the American sonar system AN / BQQ-5 (installed on MAPL class "Los Angeles") at a distance of 10 km, and in good (calm) - 30 km. Moreover, the Dolphins are equipped with a twin propulsion system, represented by low-noise 5-blade propellers with a fixed pitch. It is not difficult to guess that the updated Borei-B, on which they “threaten” to install an even more advanced water jet, the above HACs will be able to detect at a distance of up to 10 km (in difficult hydrological conditions).
    Did the author himself even understand what he wrote?
  19. shinobi
    shinobi 17 January 2018 12: 31 New
    0
    The missile strategist platform will suddenly butt in a close (250-500km nose for nose) battle? With what a fright? What a ridiculous way of posing the question? About the noisiness, a beaten cliche in which only our liberals still believe.
  20. kig
    kig 26 January 2018 15: 05 New
    0
    But let's think, starting not from the empty guesses of the commentators-pseudo-experts, but from the technical merits of the existing modifications of the Boreev described in official sources.

    Okay, come on. Yes, but who will tell you in official sources? true technical advantages? And without this, a respected author will turn into exactly the same psvedoexpert.