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"Socialist Vector": with what program does the new candidate from the Communist Party go to the polls?

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"Socialist Vector": with what program does the new candidate from the Communist Party go to the polls?



One of the main surprises of the election campaign was the nomination of the Communist Party non-partisan director of the State Farm. Lenin Pavel Grudinina. Until the very last moment, many believed that Gennady Zyuganov would again participate in the race, but at the party congress it was decided to give preference to Grudinin, who was supported by a broad coalition of national-patriotic forces. In the first speeches Grudinina at the meeting of the congress and on television, it became clear that he supports the program of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation "10 steps to a decent life." Some in the ranks of the national-patriots have already called this “conciliation,” but it became clear that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation itself is not going to “drift” to the right, the coalition one is only a candidate, and not the program with which it comes. Details - in the material on the eve.RU.

In recent days, the newly promoted from the Communist Party became a guest of several programs on federal channels and made a number of frank and bold statements.

During the transfer of "Time will tell" on "First" Pavel Grudinin said that he could win by typing 60% of votes. It turns out that he expects to win in the first round. Interestingly, the Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov in the most successful for him 1996, gained 32% in the first round and a little more than 40% in the second. In 2012, a little more than 17,2%. Pavel Grudinin is advancing from a wider coalition, but immediately after the CPRF congress, his candidacy was skeptical both some supporters to the right of the Permanent Conference of National-Patriotic Forces (PDS) and some independent leftists. A little later, Grudinin remarked that victory is the maximum program, and the minimum is to arrange a dialogue in order to “move the power” and make it closer to the people.

The new candidate explained what aspects of his managerial experience might be useful in the presidency. His company succeeded thanks to two factors: lack of theft and loyalty of people to work. Such approaches to the development of the economy can be extrapolated throughout the country. From the answers to the questions, it can be concluded that "the economic program has not yet been worked out in detail, but it is planned to use the Communist Party of the Russian Federation as its basis." But he intends to discuss numerous nuances (for example, mechanisms for the return of capital from offshore companies) together with his colleagues. Pavel Grudinin himself gives priority to solving internal problems, believing that by becoming stronger, Russia will be able to more effectively cope with external challenges. In addition, he spoke in favor of peace with Ukraine, while making a reservation that he shares the fraternal people and the current criminal regime in Kiev. He definitely considers the Crimea Russian, this issue should be resolved with the countries of the West, although this may take several years.

In the program "Evening with Vladimir Solovyov" Grudinin has already reminded that he is a candidate not only from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, but from all the left-patriotic forces, he also mentioned his support in the PPS NPPS. During the conversation, the general director of the state farm said that the development vector would be socialist, he repeatedly turned to the Chinese experience, but in the end he came to the conclusion that his ideal is more likely Scandinavian socialism.

Grudinin considers it necessary to create an independent from the President of the State Council. In addition, in his opinion, it is necessary to nationalize the natural wealth of Russia. When the presenter expressed concern that this would require changing the Constitution, the chairman of the state farm noted that the ownership of the subsoil to the Russian people is also spelled out in the existing basic law, thus, it is not the Constitution that needs to be reformed, but Rosneftegaz. Even under current legislation, it is possible to force commodity companies to transfer a larger portion of revenues to the budget. There is also the example of Norway, where the budget is filled with income from oil and gas companies without nationalization, but at the expense of tax measures.

Pavel Grudinin managed to take part in the first debate with another potential candidate for the presidency - Vladimir Zhirinovsky. The leader of the Liberal Democratic Party unexpectedly reacted positively to the fact that a new candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation was nominated and suggested that the party abandon the term "communism" altogether, replacing it, for example, with "social democracy". During the discussion, he accused the Communists of “creating Ukraine” and handing over Crimea to Khrushchev. To this Grudinin objected that the principle of internationalism, which the Communists proclaimed, would still prevail in the world. As for the Ukrainian crisis, now we need to seek the implementation of the "Minsk agreements" by diplomatic measures.

It is worth noting that Grudinin answers questions about his ideology rather evasively, referring specifically to “socialism”, “socialist vector”, “Zyuganov’s program”, etc., without reference to the names and works of Lenin or Stalin. Some leftists have already begun to criticize him for this. On the other hand, support for the foreign policy of Vladimir Putin and the "Minsk agreements" caused discontent of the national patriots. Thus, the former head of the Ministry of Defense of the DPR, Igor Strelkov, on his page on the social network, asked the PPS NPSR to remove him from the list of "people's leaders."

One of the coordinators of the PDS NPSR, the former deputy chairman of the Accounts Chamber, Yuri Boldyrev, told Nakanune.RU that he did not know why the communists had just announced their program, as there was an agreement to go with a common program, which was compiled on the basis of these "and on the basis of the theses of the PDS NPPS.

"It can be assumed that it was important for them before the congress to swear allegiance to their program. This was an important event from the point of view that the delegates agreed. There is no direct contradiction, one cannot say that someone deceived someone. I think this is more refers to questions of diplomacy. There are no fundamental disagreements, it’s a positioning issue - we go on a broad front, or we only position ourselves as leftists and the CPRF. If we only position ourselves as leftists and the CPRF, it will be a mistake, "he said.

In general, after the nomination of Pavel Grudinin, the PDS NPSR operates in the same format as before. “There are people who, I would say, panicked a little, from my point of view, this is premature. Some of our positions, including the abolition of the 282 of the рус Russian article’ in Zyuganov’s report, as I recall, were voiced. , - stressed Yuri Boldyrev.

Touching upon the possible future of the “government of national trust” in the event that it is not possible to win the election, Yury Boldyrev noted that he is trying to work on the first scenario, to win.

What does the program of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation "10 steps to a decent life", which goes Pavel Grudinin?

First of all, the nationalization of key banks, electric power industry, railways, communication systems, military-industrial complex enterprises. This will reduce the country's dependence on foreign capital and give a planned character to the Russian economy. The first step in this direction is the law “On Strategic Planning” adopted at the initiative of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation; in the future, a special planning body is needed.

It is proposed to withdraw the CBR from the influence of the US Federal Reserve System, stop the outflow of capital abroad and resolve the issue of Russia's withdrawal from the WTO.

The third item is the creation of a powerful modern industry based on the latest discoveries and high technologies. The most important branches should be: microelectronics, robotics, machine-tool construction. For the success of industrialization is necessary and the revival of science.

In the agrarian sector, it is planned to rely on large-scale agricultural production and social infrastructure, restore seed production and livestock breeding, and fight dealers. For this, in turn, it is necessary to direct at least 10% of budget expenditures to support the agricultural industry and rely on large collective farms and cooperation. In addition, it is proposed to adopt new Land, Forest and Water codes.

Credit resources are planned to be sent for the revival of the country. The CPRF is in favor of replacing commercial loans with subsidies and subventions from the federal budget in order to support infrastructure development in the regions.

In addition, it proclaims the obligation of the state to control the prices of essential goods, fuel and medicines. The cost of utility services should not exceed 10% of family income. The government is obliged to regulate tariffs for electricity, fuel and transportation.

It is proposed to gradually eliminate VAT, and the charges on the Platon system and property tax and tax on settlement land should be abolished immediately. Losses for the budget are expected to be replaced by the introduction of a progressive income tax scale. A state monopoly on the production of alcohol-containing products is also proposed.

The communists intend to stop the "optimization" of the social sphere, to revive the vocational education system, to guarantee the availability and high quality of secondary and higher education. The state is responsible for the construction of housing and the state of household infrastructure. According to 7% of GDP - to allocate for science, education and health.

In the field of national security, the priorities are the increase in the combat readiness of the Armed Forces and their authority; establishing a mechanism for recalling deputies who violate election pledges, election of judges, members of the Federation Council and heads of local self-government. In the same series is the fight against corruption. Not only deprivation of liberty, but also confiscation is planned to be applied to the bribe takers.

The proposed support of culture, the fight against anti-Sovietism, nationalism and Russophobia. Also, special attention will be paid to the development of youth sports.

In general, these points are similar to those offered by popular patriotic forces. The main problem of the coalition and the "government of national trust" is just to gain power and dispose of it. After all, it is not enough just to win the elections (and this, as already mentioned, is an extremely unlikely option), we still need to be able to implement the program, overcoming the resistance of the current elites. On the other hand, the support of a specific program, expressed as a percentage of the voting results, will already be a signal to the authorities, and, secondly, it will show the ability of patriotic forces to mobilize in the future.

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  1. chikenous59
    chikenous59 29 December 2017 06: 14 New
    +7
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bOzPYRqIlk
    Here he is the real Grudinin.
    Look, do not be lazy!
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 29 December 2017 06: 43 New
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      Here he is the real Grudinin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bOzPYRqIlk
      - chikenous59

      Is it difficult to write your opinion about Grudinin as a presidential candidate in Russia?
      Pavel Grudinin is a worthy candidate from the common people, from the Communist Party, from the Communists who finally decided to move away from their honored leader G. Zyuganov, but who constantly lost all the previous elections.
      Now, to the question of Putin's supporters of the oligarchy - "And who, if not Putin V.V.?" all patriots, communists, supporters of the Left movement of social justice have a worthy answer - a strong candidate for the presidency of the state, Pavel Grudinin, who for years and work has proved his position as a public defender.
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 29 December 2017 07: 03 New
        +7
        Do you even bother to look at the analyst. I respect Valery Pyakin, one of the most serious analysts, and not a clown with the Fed. channels. If you are interested in understanding global principles,
        look at the lecture by Efimov in the FSB from 2003. Read the book "Depressurization", "Dead Water".
        Everything in the head will fall into place within a few months.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 29 December 2017 08: 05 New
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          Solovyov-sagged .... it’s clear where he feeds, Grudinin-- I want to believe, the Boss wasn’t enough. I’m not an agitator, but, "Peasant Grudinin-" is close to me, I’m for you, Pavel. I’m looking at the ruins of collective farms (while I’m going to fishing)
        2. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 29 December 2017 09: 30 New
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          Everything in the head will fall into place within a few months. - chikenous59

          I have long been in the head "everything is in place." I am a communist who is convinced that I do not change my worldview, and the more the country plunges into the chaos of capitalism, the more I become convinced of the correctness of Marxist science.
          As for V. Pyakin, one of the founders of the clown party of the Liberal Democratic Party, and now promoting the so-called the theory of the "global predictor" - a kind of global power that already rules the planet - is naive "tales" for people who are poorly versed in politics.
          Such a “global power”, promoted by Pyakin, will never be created due to the fact that the world is very multipolar and multidirectional in its development and movement.
          What are Pyakin’s motives with his propagandized “theory” —the desire to serve the most powerful bunch of oligarchs tearing the super-Lord into the world community, or wounded pride, a retracted politician, is hard to say?
          The funny thing is that V. Pyakin embeds Putin into the Global Predictor. Although Putin already swore an oath to a multipolar world in 2007. All this negates the "public safety", to which V. Pyakin appeals.
          V. Pyakin was and remains a supporter of the liberal-oligarchic development of Russia, V.V. Putin, who has been upholding and promoting for 18 years, this course of development. And accordingly, nothing good, he, Pyakin, can not talk about Pavel Grudinin.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 December 2017 11: 34 New
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            Quote: vladimirZ
            I am a convinced communist

            I am a monarchist, but I will vote for Grudinin. good
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 29 December 2017 12: 54 New
              +8
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: vladimirZ
              I am a convinced communist

              I am a monarchist, but I will vote for Grudinin. good

              Ingvar you can't vote for him. He has a grandfather a Jew.
              1. your1970
                your1970 29 December 2017 14: 06 New
                +4
                here are some wonderful (or wonderful) provisions:
                1) “Even within the framework of the current legislation, it is possible to force commodity companies to transfer a larger part of revenues to the budget.” - At present, customs collects 60% of the budget (of which about 70% is the export export duty on hydrocarbons), the tax gives only about 20 %
                2) "It is proposed to gradually eliminate VAT, and fees on the system "Plato" and property tax and settlement land tax - cancel immediately. "- this will reduce the share of tax collected to anecdotal figures
                3) "Losses for the budget are supposed to be replaced by the introduction of a progressive income tax scale." - the richer part of the population will simply more actively hide their incomes (a lot of ways !!). Accordingly, there will be no sharp increase in budget revenues
                4) "The Communist Party advocates replacing commercial loans with subsidies and subventions from the federal budget"-on him in paragraph 2 just cut very much by abolishing property tax

                Bottom line: all over the world, the tax collects more than 95% of the budget (and a decrease in collection to 90 is already considered a strong economic crisis), we have 20% and he offers to cut back taxes.
                “Where is the money, Zin?” © BCB

                ZY “The LDPR leader unexpectedly reacted positively to the fact that a new candidate from the Communist Party was nominated and suggested that the party completely abandon the term“ communism ”, replacing it, for example, with“ Social Democracy. ”- For the first time in 30 years, I completely I agree with Zhirinovsky ... What could be COMMUNIST nominating party-billionaire

                Z. "For this, in turn, it is necessary to direct at least to support the agricultural industry 10% of budget expenses and rely on large collective farms and cooperation. "- pleased ...
              2. Amper
                Amper 29 December 2017 19: 28 New
                +4
                You are not a decent person, sir. And not far away. Jews are an eternally persecuted nation, because Italians (occupiers actually) crucified our (ONE) citizen. Physically destroying him. Not the Jews raised him to the cross! Not the Jews drove him, still alive !!!!! nails in the wrists !! Are you speechless !!!! How many of your (millions) fellow citizens are your power, your people rotted, savagely destroyed in your camps !? With your tacit consent !? How can you still judge someone after this !!!!!!! Do you repent !? Do not judge - and you will not be judged!
                Or the Jews did not die defending their homeland !? Russia, in 1941-1945gg !? I am ashamed of you, sir ..
                Black hundred !? Dumb and drunk !?
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 29 December 2017 20: 19 New
                  +7
                  you’ll be more careful with the camps .. it’s not worth repeating bullshit. it doesn’t paint you on any side. and yes, the Jews did not raise Christ to the cross, but the Jewish high priests demanded this ... Many members of the Sanhedrin gathered at the high priest Caiaphas that night ..that with such statements you incite hatred of the Jews. why? Are you a fool or a provocateur?
                2. Sergey Horuzhik
                  Sergey Horuzhik 2 January 2018 11: 32 New
                  +1
                  But what about the quote from the Gospel, comrade agitpropovets?
                  Matthew 27:22. Pilate tells them: what will I do to Jesus, called Christ? They all say to him: Let him be crucified.
                  Matthew 27:23. The ruler said: what evil did he do? But they shouted even harder: let him be crucified.
                  Matthew 27:24. Pilate, seeing that nothing helps, but the confusion increases, took water and washed his hands before the people, and said: I am innocent of the blood of this Righteous One; you look.
                  Matthew 27:25. And, answering, all the people said: His blood be on us and on our children.
                  1. volodimer
                    volodimer 2 January 2018 15: 33 New
                    +1
                    Well, now the topvar has also taken up theology smile
              3. volodimer
                volodimer 2 January 2018 15: 30 New
                +3
                What's the problem? Grandfather Jew is not a sentence for a communist or a monarchist smile Moreover, I believe that any monarch would be glad to see a communist L. M. Kaganovich in his government
          2. chikenous59
            chikenous59 29 December 2017 18: 02 New
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            Most likely you did not understand the essence of Pyakin's words, you listened to him inattentively and fragmentarily. And also, I hardly read the books that I spoke about, since they are very difficult to read, understand due to the complex terminology and the huge amount of data and analytics from which everything is turned upside down for a person who is used to listening modern mummers "analysts."
          3. NordUral
            NordUral 29 December 2017 23: 49 New
            +8
            It seems so. We vote for Grudinin, for the chance that the country will have a future.
        3. Overlock
          Overlock 29 December 2017 11: 37 New
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          I advise you, too, analysts from Golikova and Golodets to read about the achievements of the current government, go shopping, dumps, see how many and how corrupt officials are punished. How are Putin’s May decrees implemented, how many pension reforms have passed, and what are the successes, like health care reform and population mortality?
          Everything will fall into place immediately, and not in a few months.It is necessary to steal less than the current government to think about the people, and not about the electorate on the eve of the elections.
          1. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 29 December 2017 11: 54 New
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            How are Putin’s May decrees implemented, how many pension reforms have passed, and what are the successes, like health care reform and population mortality?

            compare:
            Russian classics: "Peter I", A. Tolstoy.
            "Zinoviev, grabbing a handful of his beard, said:
            - I would have to impose some more to apply to the settlements and settlements ... Well, I would like to salt ...
            Prince Volkonsky, a sharp-witted old man, replied:
            - There is no tax on bast shoes yet ...
            “Truly, truly,” the boyars rustled, “men wear twelve pairs of bast shoes a year, put two tribute money on a pair of bast shoes,” and we’ll beat the khan.
            It became easy for the boyars. We decided the case. Some wiped sweat, others twirled their fingers, swelled. Others, with relief, let the evil spirit into their fur coats.
            What has changed, apart from the time adjustment?
          2. Rostislav
            Rostislav 29 December 2017 17: 24 New
            +1
            What kind of analytics are you talking about from these female dogs ?!
            I also advise you to read analytics from Golikova and Golodets
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 29 December 2017 19: 28 New
              +2
              in vain you are so about these persons, in vain. Not respecting the enemy is dearer to yourself. And if they themselves talked about trouble, then this is a signal. Search and find everything.
          3. chikenous59
            chikenous59 29 December 2017 18: 04 New
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            Quote: Overlock
            I also advise you analytics from Golikova and Golodets

            They made fun)) Analytics .... they are not even capable of this, they only serve the interests of liberals
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 29 December 2017 19: 29 New
              +2
              in vain you are so about these persons, in vain. Not respecting the enemy is dearer to yourself. And if they themselves talked about trouble, then this is a signal. Search and find everything.
          4. NordUral
            NordUral 29 December 2017 23: 51 New
            +4
            They have no thoughts either to stop stealing, or to start thinking about us.
        4. Pavel_n
          Pavel_n 29 December 2017 17: 26 New
          +2
          “Do you even bother to look at the analyst. Valery Pyakin really respect one of the most serious analysts, not a clown from the federal channels. If you are interested in understanding global principles,
          look at the lecture by Efimov in the FSB from 2003. Read the book "Depressurization", "Dead Water".
          Everything in the head will fall into place within a few months. "


          Guys, where is the guarantee that everything you listed (BER) is correct? Why is this the ultimate truth for you? Do not admit the possibility of error, or, worse than that control from the GP? You yourself, think with your own head.
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 29 December 2017 18: 05 New
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            Quote: Pavel_N
            Guys, where is the guarantee that everything you listed (BER) is correct?

            Have you read the book "Depressurization"? This is a small part of the work that has been prepared for years, but even from this book a lot is clarified and it becomes clear what Pyakin, Efimov and others are repelling from.
        5. badens1111
          badens1111 29 December 2017 19: 30 New
          +9
          Quote: chikenous59
          Do you even bother to look at the analyst. Valeria Pyakina about

          Pyakina's analytics are a direct justification for the comprador big, oligarchic bourgeoisie.
          And therefore, Pyakin, no one calls in any way analytics there.
        6. VladGashek
          VladGashek 29 December 2017 20: 27 New
          0
          God Kuzya to help you!
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      3. Loess
        Loess 29 December 2017 08: 08 New
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        Pavel Grudinin worthy candidate from the common people, from the Communist Party
        with a salary of 20 millions this year according to him, Grudinin, words. Such a normal "ordinary" salary. Something vague doubts torment me that he is pleased with the presidential salary ... He says good things, but ...
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 29 December 2017 10: 07 New
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          Quote: Less
          with a salary of 20 million this year according to him, Grudinin, according to. Such a normal "ordinary" salary.

          Even if we discard Grudinin, I think that salary is not quite an indicator, you can get 100 million and talk on equal terms with a plumber Vasya, but you can earn 1 million and act like you're the center of the world, so here it all depends on the person, Yes, and the election of the president is a very expensive thing, so the candidate with a salary of 20 thousand rubles. we are unlikely to see there.
          1. seos
            seos 29 December 2017 11: 59 New
            0
            And did anyone see this plumber Vasya ... was there a boy?
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 December 2017 10: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Less
          Things he says are good, but ...

          Good, yes, on the principle: "Let there always be sunshine!"
          Let be! And where to get the money for the third, for example, item? To the rest?
          And to say, not to carry bags ....
          1. basmach
            basmach 29 December 2017 11: 26 New
            +5
            And you carefully read paragraph one. And did you understand its meaning. So your phrase about bags is for you, not for the program.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 29 December 2017 11: 29 New
              +3
              Quote: basmach
              And you carefully read paragraph one. And did you understand its meaning. So your phrase about bags is for you, not for the program.

              Have you carefully studied history? No, obviously: in 1917 banks also nationalized, people's deposits, took away their values: wow, how "enough"! lol
              1. basmach
                basmach 29 December 2017 11: 48 New
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                I have taught and know enough. Only you do not confuse nationalization with expropriation.
                And when there is nothing intelligible to say, it is better to be silent.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 29 December 2017 11: 59 New
                  +4
                  Quote: basmach
                  taught and know enough. Only you do not confuse nationalization with expropriation.

                  in 1917, banks were precisely nationalized. Did the Bolsheviks help?
                  Quote: basmach
                  And when there is nothing intelligible to say, it is better to be silent.

                  it is unclear what are you writing then? request
              2. leo1946
                leo1946 11 January 2018 06: 19 New
                0
                Olgovich, what story, the story of which, enough trepidation already.
          2. long in stock.
            long in stock. 29 December 2017 15: 59 New
            +4
            a very strange statement from a person who is just chatting and busy ...
        3. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 29 December 2017 20: 48 New
          +8
          Well for consideration:
          the average salary, well, let's say in Gazprom a little more than 28 ty, and Miller (do you know this?) officially lectures 2,8 lyama per day! on DAY, Karl !!!!, about Sechin, there’s no question, a rogue, just 2,2 lem a day ...
        4. NordUral
          NordUral 29 December 2017 23: 53 New
          +2
          And about a certain Elvira and others you are not tormented by anything?
      4. woron333444
        woron333444 29 December 2017 09: 41 New
        10
        His company was successful due to two factors: the lack of theft and people's dedication to work.

        And the sale of land for luxury housing is not theft?
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 29 December 2017 23: 56 New
          +4
          Yes, theft of school children and the rest. We couldn’t even dream of such schools in the 60s (I’m only a fond memory of the building, not the process, my school and teachers, it’s a pity that the children of the present are deprived of this).
      5. Oden280
        Oden280 29 December 2017 12: 22 New
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        Someone is eager to put the oligarchs on their necks. Apparently examples of dill are not enough. An agrarian in our country cannot be honest and prosper at the same time. And this hyper-farmer claims. that rose on a strawberry. Yes, it's not funny. And the fact that from the Communist Party, this party has long since become a pocket toy of our oligarchs (who are interested in looking for information, there is a lot of it). And campaign promises - they are promises. But if he himself has any desires, then who will allow him.
        1. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 29 December 2017 20: 49 New
          +2
          so vote for Ksyusha, or Zhirik ... who will forbid?
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      6. Varyag77
        Varyag77 29 December 2017 15: 07 New
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        A worthy candidate from the common people? Are you seriously? Yes, uncle still claims that his success is a concern for people? And not the Moscow land that he sells? Not Gaster who work for him for a penny? When in the country the number of patients decreases then?
      7. Sergey Horuzhik
        Sergey Horuzhik 2 January 2018 11: 29 New
        +1
        from ordinary people? Well, you ... There is a competition between various capitalist clans.
      8. Sergey Horuzhik
        Sergey Horuzhik 10 January 2018 00: 22 New
        +1
        oh simple, oh people, syu-syu-syu ..... pick up snot and drool
      9. leo1946
        leo1946 11 January 2018 06: 18 New
        +1
        vladimirZ, in this country only pencils remained simple and they went up in price, undershot.
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 29 December 2017 10: 52 New
      +9
      "the general director of the state farm said that the vector of development will be socialist, .."
      If so, why doesn’t he speak of ownership of fixed assets?
      What will be?
      State nationwide - then socialism and all its principles.
      But if private ownership of the basic means of production remains, then capitalism remains, and its principles, including the uneven distribution of profit. classes and their contradictions
      He is modestly silent about this, proposing significant technical and legal changes within the existing system
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 29 December 2017 22: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: To be or not to be
        If so, why doesn’t he speak of ownership of fixed assets?

        In China, capitalism is at the helm of the Chinese Communist Party. however, there is a socialist vector. Socialist means the main thing is the benefit to society as a whole of state policy. For example, I am for capitalism to be in our country. That everything would be aimed at the development and accumulation of capital in the country and not its flight abroad as it is now. In our time, capitalism is not built on the exploitation of man but on the use of technology and energy.
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 29 December 2017 22: 40 New
          +2
          What can I say about China.
          You are careful with Chinese examples ..

          "Since the advent of socialism with Chinese characteristics in the new era, the contradiction between the ever-growing needs of the people for a beautiful life and uneven and incomplete development has already become the main contradiction of Chinese society," the report made by Xi Jinping at the congress said.
          China will strive for significant progress in risk prevention, targeted poverty eradication and pollution control in 2018.

          A general plan should be developed “to ensure victory in the three battles. As far as targeted eradication of poverty is concerned, the country needs to provide concrete support to especially poor groups and step up efforts in regions where people live in extreme poverty.”
          ..
          It was decided to hold the 2nd plenary session of the CPC Central Commission for Discipline Inspection on January 11-13, 2018. The main agenda of the plenum includes discussion of issues related to amendments to the Constitution, listening to a report on the work of the CPC Central Commission for Discipline Inspection, defining the task to improve the party style and the creation of an incorruptible apparatus, as well as tasks in the fight against corruption.
          ..and more weighty .. http://www.iarex.ru/articles/55019.html

    3. peta locksmith
      peta locksmith 29 December 2017 10: 55 New
      10
      state farm named after VILenin - a closed-joint-stock company - who are the shareholders of the state farm?

      And is there nothing special in the scheme for resolving Grudinin’s conflicts in Luzhkov and Sobyanin, of which Ryavkin speaks with such an aspiration? they say - with that conflict - behind - with that conflict - behind -

      Yes, just a state farm to them. Lenin is the only model agricultural enterprise in Russia that the authorities can show and say - guys, you should have the same as Grudinin at the state farm

      on the lands of the state farm http://sovhozlenina.ru/ - shared construction - not for the villagers - it means there is a construction lobby - Grudinin feeds all kinds of corporations sitting on the bowels - obviously Grudinin spins their money in his powerful greenhouse economy, etc. d. etc.


      the remainder - closed shareholders for Grudinin “had a big deal” with Zyuganov, and most likely, the Guarantor knows who and what promised Zyuganov for supporting Grudinin

      there would be one more successful economy such as that of Grudinin with all the options - close to Moscow and the government - maybe another collective farm would be chosen

      Grudinin may be good on Medvedev's place (I emphasize, maybe)

      and Ryavkin was “pumped” by the terms of the Strugatsky brothers - the predictor is directly “Monday will be read on Saturday” - and he trumpets them
    4. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 29 December 2017 11: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: chikenous59
      Here he is the real Grudinin.
      Where? This is Pyakin’s opinion of Grudinin, not Grudinin himself. laughing
  2. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 29 December 2017 06: 20 New
    +6
    Interesting. I think the votes will be no less than Zyuganov (if he were a candidate). Many hesitant are likely to vote for him.
    1. thinker
      thinker 29 December 2017 08: 00 New
      11
      Already the first polls reflect the potential of the 10 Steps to a Dignified Life program
      1. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 29 December 2017 09: 47 New
        11
        These results are easily explained by the fact that for many people in life there is not what is not on TV. Vovka is shown forty times a day; for other candidates, they are silent.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 29 December 2017 22: 34 New
          +5
          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          Vovka is shown forty times a day; for other candidates, they are silent.

          Putin speaks beautifully, looks very good, but .. I personally got tired of Chubais, Kudrin .. and others. Once I tried for a long time to attach my voucher. I wanted a car for him laughing And Chubais is still there. Therefore, I will vote for Grudinin, or for someone who offers to uphold and restore the domestic market.
      2. Alexander War
        Alexander War 29 December 2017 11: 44 New
        +3
        So it will be, Putin and Grudinin!
      3. Overlock
        Overlock 29 December 2017 14: 09 New
        +2
        not bad! You can say perfectly!
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 29 December 2017 06: 26 New
    +9
    Gudinin objected to this, that the principle of internationalism, which the Communists proclaimed, would prevail in the world anyway.


    Utopia...
    it means, for the sake of this internationalism, it will be necessary to abandon its roots ... that you are Russian, Chechen. Tatar, etc. ... again become some kind of cosmopolitan internationalist.
    this means that for the sake of this internationalization again it is necessary to provide multibillion-dollar assistance to African princes and the rest of humanity at the expense of our people ... such things immediately push me away from Grudinin ...
    there isn’t enough ... this internationalism has been overwhelmed by the ears ... you have to take care of your people and not feed half the world from your pocket ... that's why we live forever beggars.
    1. populist
      populist 29 December 2017 06: 53 New
      +9
      Same lech
      Gudinin objected to this, that the principle of internationalism, which the Communists proclaimed, would prevail in the world anyway.


      Utopia...

      Maybe utopia, or maybe 100 thousand will prevail in years. Real politics is important. Putin, too, helps different princes a lot, both inside and out.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 29 December 2017 07: 01 New
        22
        Putin also helps different princes a lot, both inside and outside.


        It renders and therefore does not accept such a GDP policy ... it is unacceptable to forgive billions of dollars of debts to our former brothers at the expense of our people.
        It is unacceptable when rogue bankers with impunity withdraw billions of rubles from banks abroad ... and then the GDP begins to talk about some kind of amnesty ... I will never agree with such a GDP policy ... this is a robbery of our people in a veiled form.

        There are a number of similar claims to GDP in this regard.
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 29 December 2017 07: 32 New
      +8
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      it means, for the sake of this internationalism, it will be necessary to abandon its roots ... that you are Russian, Chechen. Tatar, etc. ... again become some kind of cosmopolitan internationalist.

      The funny thing is that this communist idea, introduced into the life of the USSR from above, is being introduced around the world today on the initiative from below. This is due to modern technology. Today, through Instagram or Facebook, you can easily make friends with some ordinary American or Indian. And go to visit each other. And such ties are growing among young people. Ordinary people are interested in how ordinary people live in other parts of the world. Education and technology lead to internationalism.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 29 December 2017 07: 36 New
        +5
        Ordinary people are interested in how ordinary people live in other parts of the world. Education and technology lead to internationalism.
        And this is good ... here, simple communication with each other affects the relations between peoples more than all these stupid liberal-communist ideas imposed by force.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 December 2017 08: 35 New
      17
      drank this internationalism
      hardly. Yesterday, in the topic about the yoke, they threw me a zvizdyule, because I want to be Russian, not Russian. Who is a Russian, this person is without a family, without a flag, now Russian athletes are going to the Olympics. Soon in Europe there will be the French, the Germans, the Italians. The Russians are internationalism ..
      1. kush62
        kush62 29 December 2017 11: 22 New
        +4
        Gardamir Today, 08:35 ↑ New
        drank this internationalism
        hardly. Yesterday, in the topic about the yoke, they threw me a zvizdyule, because I want to be Russian, not Russian. Who is a Russian, this person is without a family, without a flag, now Russian athletes are going to the Olympics. Soon in Europe there will be the French, the Germans, the Italians. The Russians are internationalism ..

        I am from yesterday. And absolutely not against it, you are Russian or someone else. This must be served proudly, and not arrogantly and with contempt for other nations.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 29 December 2017 20: 18 New
          +6
          contempt for other nations.
          despise only one step, these are Russians. Because it is an artificially created people, in order to erase the entire memory of the Russians. And whom can I hate if the Mari, Mordovians, Udmurts, Tatars live in my small Motherland. Yes, and I myself am from the USSR, so how much they do not suggest on TV that our enemies are people living in Ukraine. I know that our enemies are the wealthy by deception seized power.
          1. kush62
            kush62 30 December 2017 15: 35 New
            0
            Gardamir Yesterday, 20:18 ↑
            contempt for other nations.
            despise only one step, these are Russians. Because it is an artificially created people, in order to erase the entire memory of the Russians. And whom can I hate if the Mari, Mordovians, Udmurts, Tatars live in my small Motherland. Yes, and I myself am from the USSR, so how much they do not suggest on TV that our enemies are people living in Ukraine. I know that our enemies are the wealthy by deception seized power.

            In 1979, we. construction teams of Chelyabinsk built the railway section Tynda - Berkakit.
            Our squad was called "Russians." Why despise us or the word itself. For the fact that the former long-term member of the CPSU, Yeltsin, in a drunken stupor, uttered "You will understand the Rassians."
            So despise your former member of the same party, who was once revered and popularly elected. And then the Russian people and?
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 30 December 2017 19: 41 New
              +1
              Our squad was called "Russians"
              Seriously?! Are you hinting that Yeltsin was not the first communist to invent “Russians”? You see in the Russian Empire, there were subjects, population, inhabitants, but the word was not used by the Russians. Is it some poet to decorate the verse.
              1. kush62
                kush62 31 December 2017 08: 36 New
                +1
                Gardamir Yesterday, 19:41 ↑
                Our squad was called "Russians"
                Seriously?! Are you hinting that Yeltsin was not the first communist to invent “Russians”? You see in the Russian Empire, there were subjects, population, inhabitants, but the word was not used by the Russians. Is it some poet to decorate the verse.

                I do not hint, but say as it is. We built the BAM, and I'm proud of it.
                Yeltsin is a former communist who was given recommendations by other communists. The following communists helped to climb the career ladder. So it is necessary to despise their own, crawled into the party. It was necessary to pursue quality, not quantity. And if this eternally drunken miracle carried all nonsense. then our people have nothing to do with it.
    4. free
      free 29 December 2017 09: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      Gudinin objected to this, that the principle of internationalism, which the Communists proclaimed, would prevail in the world anyway.


      Utopia...
      it means, for the sake of this internationalism, it will be necessary to abandon its roots ... that you are Russian, Chechen. Tatar, etc. ... again become some kind of cosmopolitan internationalist.
      this means that for the sake of this internationalization again it is necessary to provide multibillion-dollar assistance to African princes and the rest of humanity at the expense of our people ... such things immediately push me away from Grudinin ...
      there isn’t enough ... this internationalism has been overwhelmed by the ears ... you have to take care of your people and not feed half the world from your pocket ... that's why we live forever beggars.

      Nonsense now you can be anyone, but you can’t be Russian. During the Union, people were Soviet honest, kind, hard-working, smart, and right now we are Russians stupid, lazy, greedy do you feel the difference?
    5. SERGUS
      SERGUS 29 December 2017 10: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      it means, for the sake of this internationalism, it will be necessary to abandon its roots ... that you are Russian, Chechen. Tatar, etc. ... again become somehow cosmopolitan internationalist.

      You mixed two concepts: cosmopolitanism and internationalism. Internationalism (about which Grudinin spoke) does not imply a rejection of nationalities (as opposed to cosmopolitanism), but speaks of their equality.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      this means that for the sake of this internationalization again it is necessary to provide multibillion-dollar assistance to African princes and the rest of humanity at the expense of our people ... such things immediately push me away from Grudinin ...

      We are still helping Syria, the DPR, LPR. To help or not to help those in need? This is a question for which there is probably no single answer, because it is not a question of any benefit, but a question of morality, and I believe that if this help is feasible (not too burdensome), then why not.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 29 December 2017 10: 48 New
        +4
        We are still helping Syria, the DPR, LPR. To help or not to help those in need?

        We help Syria and LDNR because we understand that we ourselves will be in their place if we do not help.
        Further ... whether to help those in need ...

        certainly help ... but not gratuitous help that corrupts people ...

        help needy need help themselves to earn a living and not sit on the neck of the one who helps ... as it was before ... that’s what the help should be.
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 29 December 2017 13: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          certainly help ... but not gratuitous help that corrupts people ...
          help needy need help themselves to earn a living and not sit on the neck of the one who helps

          And how can one help without financial costs, with advice or something? request
          1. ALEA IACTA EST
            ALEA IACTA EST 29 December 2017 15: 23 New
            +4
            If you want to feed a person, teach him how to make fishing rods.
            1. SERGUS
              SERGUS 29 December 2017 16: 53 New
              +2
              Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
              If you want to feed a person, teach him how to make fishing rods.

              Training - also requires financial injections.
              1. ALEA IACTA EST
                ALEA IACTA EST 29 December 2017 16: 57 New
                +2
                It is cheaper and more effective than constantly giving fish.
                1. SERGUS
                  SERGUS 30 December 2017 12: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
                  It is cheaper and more effective than constantly giving fish.

                  Well, the Soviet Union helped on this principle, he built factories for poor friendly countries, trained the citizens of these countries, etc. There were, of course, cash injections, much without it, but still such as they say here that they simply fed them every year and gave their last NOT HAPPENED!
    6. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 29 December 2017 20: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      there isn’t enough ... this internationalism has been overwhelmed by the ears ... you have to take care of your people and not feed half the world from your pocket ... that's why we live forever beggars.
      Reply Quote Complaint

      and now we do not feed? and to which grandmothers we FLYED with forgiveness of debts to the same Afghanistan and other "fraternal countries? and why the same Americans are able to take their own, and we do not ?!
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 30 December 2017 15: 10 New
        +1
        if you don’t know then why speak? look at American help to your satellites. and take a look at how much they gave, how much they wrote off. This is a common practice since the gray days. Returns are not always measured in money ..
  4. Nonna
    Nonna 29 December 2017 06: 50 New
    30
    The main thing is that the entire left front will unite, their program is good. Edrosovskie political technologists plus liberals have already flooded with their manuals on the denigration of Grudinin the Internet, he is either a State Department agent, or a strawberry oligarch who exploits children, he is either a Jew and a pet of Ekhamatsi, he can’t connect the two words, then the second Yeltsin and Gorbachev. Well, yes, this is such impudence !!! Grudinin, the money earned, not like all the “right oligarchs” does not withdraw money to offshore companies, does not bring elite whores and deputies to Foros, does not buy a yacht to console his ego or Faberge eggs to offer to the tsar. instead, he has the audacity to provide decent work for people, maintain a social network and build a model village! it's outrageous!!! The first rule of a true follower of Gaidar-Chubais is to discard the social program for its further destruction. That's the corrupt urapatriots and zhurnalyuhi so excited. The more mud will be poured onto Grudinin, the more support he will have. I’ll go to vote for him, even if he doesn’t win, and judging by the hysteria, he has great potential, he will declare himself and perhaps, with great trust in him, they will not be able to push him away and be included in the Government, it will be better than a court clown - a lover of iPhones.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 December 2017 06: 55 New
      +8
      The more mud will be poured onto Grudinin, the more support he will have. I will vote for him. even if he doesn’t win,

      The more candidates the better ... the people should have a choice and that’s right ... it’s impossible that only one person would rule the Kremlin’s OLYMPUS ... as for Grudinin, we’ll wait and see what kind of person he is ... Gorbachev and YELTSIN also started beautifully and how it all ended we all remember very well.
      1. woron333444
        woron333444 29 December 2017 09: 45 New
        +8
        And most importantly, they all clapped them, and now they want to fence themselves off. The same communists put forward both Yeltsin and Gorbachev.
        1. kush62
          kush62 29 December 2017 11: 27 New
          +4
          woron333444 Today, 09:45 ↑ New
          And most importantly, they all clapped them, and now they want to fence themselves off. The same communists put forward both Yeltsin and Gorbachev.

          And now the main thing is they are pouring mud on everyone and disowning their party bosses. And all disagree, these are damned imperialists, Russophobes, and victims of the exam. laughing
      2. Wayfarer
        Wayfarer 29 December 2017 11: 08 New
        10
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Gorbachev and Yeltsin also started beautifully
        Why are Gorbachev and Yeltsin dragged? They do not stand next to Grudinin. Grudinin is an honest man, not a thief, a talented business executive who has proven this with his whole life. So do not cast a shadow on a decent person. This is the GDP of one liberal field, a berry with Gorbachev and Yeltsin, that's who it makes sense to put on a par with them.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 29 December 2017 11: 17 New
          +8
          Why are Gorbachev and Yeltsin dragged? They do not stand next to Grudinin. Grudinin is an honest man, not a thief, a talented business executive who has proven this with his whole life. So do not cast a shadow on a decent person.

          How do you know this ??? ... only by the outer wrapper ... from the outside everything looks decorously and noble ...
          But what will happen to a person when he gets absolute power over the country and millions of people ??? ... do not get sick with star disease? ... does not succumb to the influence of subservient surroundings? ... there are many pitfalls in the highest power on which you can lose everything when you run into .
          1. Wayfarer
            Wayfarer 29 December 2017 11: 41 New
            +5
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            How do you know that ???
            Is everything normal with your head? fool There is such a citizen of Russia - Grudinin, director of the farm to them. Lenin, who is the best agricultural enterprise in Russia.
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            But what will happen to a person when he gets absolute power over the country and millions of people ??? ... will not get sick with star disease ?.
            Yes, you can’t be, but what if tomorrow the sun does not rise, or the end of the world comes, run to save! fool
            1. dauria
              dauria 29 December 2017 13: 07 New
              11
              There is such a citizen of Russia - Grudinin, director of the farm to them. Lenin


              Do not forget to put quotation marks around the state farm named after Lenin. This is a private enterprise. COMPANY. 40% belongs to the "chairman" Grudinin. The rest of the shares are with relatives and close "management". See the story of how he became the owner. And some dark stories with land, strawberries and the refusal of reputable foreign trading companies to cooperate with the "state farm". And try to answer the question - the Poles are forced to use migrant workers from Ukraine on the fields for the sake of competition, and here in the northern climate, with awesome salaries for “workers” and heating greenhouses, strawberries are cheaper than Turkish. wink If this Russian is rubbed, not the Tartar, but Vekselberg and Alikperov will come out. laughing

              However, the goal of the government has been achieved - the elections have become similar to the "election". Ah, the program .... Well, everyone understands "promising does not mean getting married." wink
              1. Wayfarer
                Wayfarer 29 December 2017 14: 33 New
                +8
                Quote: dauria
                COMPANY. 40% belongs to the "chairman" Grudinin. The rest of the shares are with relatives and close "management".
                44% None of the shareholders of the state farm receives dividends, all receive only a salary.
                Quote: dauria
                And some dark stories with land, strawberries and the refusal of reputable foreign trading companies to cooperate with the "state farm"
                With dark stories go to the toilet, at least there will be some sense.
                Quote: dauria
                And try to answer the question - the Poles are forced to use migrant workers from Ukraine on the fields for the sake of competition,
                Yes, the farm uses the labor of migrant workers, legally, they are paid a white salary.
                Quote: dauria
                heating greenhouses strawberries cheaper than Turkish.
                The state farm sells berries without intermediaries, so the price is quite competitive.

                Still slander and lie desire do you have?
                1. your1970
                  your1970 29 December 2017 15: 15 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Traveler
                  44% None of the shareholders of the state farm receives dividends, all receive only a salary.
                  -
                  1) according to the current legislation of CJSC-no more than 50 people.More - already OJSC. All other CJSC employees are hired workers who do not have the right to vote, no more
                  2) 7 billion balance - the owner of 44% of the shares is entitled to 3 billion of property / working capital. Investment of dividends in the economy INCREASES CJSC balance sheet and accordingly GROWTH cost HIM shares of property. He receives dividends or does not receive, it is not important in such cases
                  3) he can sell them at any time to any person (absolutely anyone, even Obama belay for example) - may not sell, but nevertheless he is the OWNER of property for about 3 billion rubles

                  For me, the combination is wildly combination itself -billionaire communist.The fathers of the founders of Marxism spin in coffins like propellers ...
                  Even in the program of the Communist Party it is written about the lack of ownership of the means of production, and here you are ....
                  1. Wayfarer
                    Wayfarer 29 December 2017 15: 25 New
                    +4
                    Quote: your1970
                    For me, the combination of the communist-billionaire is wild.
                    And why does something turn you around, wrinkle like a devil from incense? Grudinin is not a member of the Communist Party, only adheres to leftist views.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 29 December 2017 16: 12 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Traveler
                      Grudinin is not a member of the Communist Party, only adheres to leftist views.
                      -Yes, in general, I don’t care what Grudinin adheres to .... in any other party, there would be no questions, it is quite possible that a worthy candidate ...

                      The Communist Party kills me in this matter .....
                      Imagine that the Communist Party won the election and?
                      She should start to do OWN party program, and there it is written in Russian letters (https://kprf.ru/party/program), including:
                      "Capitalism itself creates the prerequisites for the establishment of a more perfect social system. The main material basis of the inevitable onset of socialism is in the socialization of production. "
                      "The third stage. Its content will be energetic work on the final formation of socialist social relations, ensuring the sustainable development of the socialist system on its own basis. Will become dominant public ownership of fixed assets. "
                      Victorious party promises to nationalize its leader-president?
                      ZY, if someone exclaims about the complete impossibility of such a victory, then I dare say that this is quite possible - if the GDP suddenly refuses the elections and / or cannot participate in them for any reason (including illness / death) .
                      That THEN The Communist Party will do? With a billionaire headed?
                      Nonsense ....
                      1. Wayfarer
                        Wayfarer 29 December 2017 16: 17 New
                        +5
                        Quote: your1970
                        What will the Communist Party then do? With a billionaire at the head?
                        Will not do anything. Why change something in a successful economy. This is a medium-sized business, and the Communist Party guarantees freedom of small and medium-sized enterprises, private property and market relations. Grudinin is not the head of the Communist Party.
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 29 December 2017 21: 24 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Traveler
                        Quote: your1970
                        What will the Communist Party then do? With a billionaire at the head?
                        Will not do anything. Why change something in a successful economy. This is a medium-sized business, and the Communist Party guarantees freedom of small and medium-sized enterprises, private property and market relations. Grudinin is not the head of the Communist Party.

                        You didn’t catch the main thing:
                        1) CJSC at the moment LARGE a business owned by a limited circle of persons of not more than 50 people.
                        2) if the Communist Party guarantee private property "How are they going to nationalize industry? We are playing here, but we are not playing here? Who will determine is to return to the people, and this is not, this is sacred, this is private property ??? !!!
                        Yes, this will be a paradise for corruption !!!
                        In addition, from the Communist Party immediately fall off all those who are now (including here in the VO) - "Select !!! Return to the people !!" .
                        The ownership of the means of production is incompatible and the communist idea is, in principle, incompatible.

                        In general, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation as well as the closed joint-stock company is no longer the essence of what is happening, it is already a well-promoted brand. People DO NOT understand (because they are already used to oligarchic scandals / yachts and other things) - what if a person invests in YOUR OWN business - this has NO relation to the people. It can be modern Savva Morozov - he also took care of his workers and gave money to the Bolsheviks. But to be at the head request
                  2. MrK
                    MrK 30 December 2017 20: 55 New
                    +2
                    Quote: your1970
                    For me, the combination itself is wild - the communist-billionaire. The fathers of the founders of Marxism spin in their graves like propellers ...


                    And who was F. Engels - manufacturer. And none of the Bolsheviks turned it over in a coffin.
      3. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 29 December 2017 20: 57 New
        +1
        Well, about EBNe better shut up. and about the "tagged", then immediately after two, well, a maximum of three months became disgusting to listen! only thanks to the indifference of our population did Belovezhskaya Pushcha become possible, but the KGB got crap, did its function
        1. Wayfarer
          Wayfarer 30 December 2017 04: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          You didn’t catch the main thing:
          Listen, you’ll at least catch something from what I said.
          Quote: your1970
          how are they going to nationalize industry? here we play, but here we do not play?
          The raw materials and infrastructure sector will be nationalized.
          Quote: your1970
          Yes, this will be a paradise for corruption !!!
          There is no corruption in the Communist Party, and if a corrupt official appears, he will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. The Communist Party is not a unity with GDP.
          Quote: your1970
          In addition, from the Communist Party immediately fall off all those who are now (including here in the VO) - "Select !!! Return to the people !!" .
          You have complete mess in your head. There are no such slogans among small and medium-sized businesses now. The Communist Party is now guided by the Leninist NEP. Grudinin's activities fully fit into the ideology of the Leninist NEP.
          Quote: your1970
          But be led
          Yes, everything will be wonderful. Much better than now. According to some, Russia will become a sovereign state, throw off the American yoke, punish traitors, the economy will begin to develop rapidly, the standard of living of the people to rise. Everything will be fine.
          1. your1970
            your1970 31 December 2017 00: 08 New
            +2
            Good! Raw materials to what level? To the level of the main gas pipeline / oil pipeline? Rises TNK-BP and says at what price will you sell oil to us at the refinery at market, fixed, state, exchange? And then we are capitalists like we need profit .. According to the state, you say (otherwise gasoline will be very expensive for the people). And scams with fuel grades begin .. You are forced to nationalize refineries ... the gas station network says - and the profit? And it winds up a triple price ... you nationalize the network of gas stations and so on until the final nationalization of EVERYTHING ... As confirmed by the party program, in which the Russian language is not written about the NEP, but about generalized means of production.
            They will start with production and transportation, and will end up in production and sale ....
            Regarding the lack of corruption in the ranks of the Communist Party, it’s not even funny after somersaults with Voronenko. He was not even a member of the party and became a deputy of the State Duma from the Communist Party ....
            Regarding the NEP, just read Stalin’s articles on why he was FORCED to stop it ...
            Unlike the present - Stalin was a REAL communist, the current ones having come to power can only pervert and deflect the idea of ​​communism (they will not do anything, but they can finally push people away from the idea of ​​communism
            1. Wayfarer
              Wayfarer 31 December 2017 05: 25 New
              0
              Quote: your1970
              And scams with grades of fuel begin.
              You are talking nonsense. You might think that there are no scams with fuel right now, better tell me where you honestly and fairly do not find it now. Under the Communists, there will be strict enforcement of the law and there will be no such lawlessness as it is now.
              Quote: your1970
              the gas station network says - and the profit?
              We are talking about the excess profits currently being obtained by criminal means. And the communists will receive small and medium-sized businesses under profit, as they render services and produce a product.
              Quote: your1970
              They will start with production and transportation, and will end up in production and sale ....
              You're lying. Better think about how now in reality everything is bad and hopeless.
              Quote: your1970
              Regarding the lack of corruption in the ranks of the Communist Party, it’s not even funny after somersaults with Voronenko. He was not even a member of the party and became a deputy of the State Duma from the Communist Party ....
              Blah blah blah, look for spots in the sun, I'm sure you will find. Good luck. Look into the eyes of modern authorities, you will see a hopeless logging there.
              Quote: your1970
              Regarding the NEP, just read Stalin’s articles on why he was FORCED to stop it ...
              And what do you mean by this that Stalin and you are a true Marxist, while Lenin and modern communists betrayed the ideals of communism? Modern communists abandoned the idea of ​​total state ownership. For better or worse is another question. I have my own thoughts, but not for this discussion. Stalin created a system for himself, under manual control, did not form a transparent system of succession of power, created a great China, when it could be fragmented. The Stalinist state system turned out to be unviable, devoid of protection from a fool and a traitor at the highest echelons of power and collapsed, it was only a matter of time. Now everything is the same, nothing has changed, the GDP in fact has absolute power. US stability is achieved through a system of checks and balances, something like this was conceived by Grudinin.

              Understand, finally, it is necessary to gain the sovereignty of Russia, to throw off the American yoke and begin to carry out reforms in the interests of the people - the GDP and its government are not able to do this in principle. The current political situation is such that only the Communist Party can change the course of the country, this is the main thing, there is no other force, there are no centrist statesmen. Alas. And all your arguments, they are secondary and empty, pour water on the mill of GDP, and not of Russia and the Russian people.
              1. your1970
                your1970 31 December 2017 12: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: Traveler
                And what do you mean by this that Stalin and you are a true Marxist, while Lenin and modern communists betrayed the ideals of communism? Modern communists abandoned the idea of ​​total state ownership.
                -You the first sentence DIRECTLY contradict the second - the ideals of communism just speak of belonging All means of production PEOPLE. And the rejection of total nationalization-this is a departure from the ideal, which is why in its program of the Communist Party and sets the task complete socialization. Read the Communist Party program - there is not a word about small business or partial nationalization
                "Under the Communists, there will be strict enforcement of the law and there will be no such lawlessness as it is now." - just read the meetings of the People’s Commissariat of Communications and the prosecutor’s office in 1934 - 4 million mail were stolen per quarter, when Stalin had a maximum of 600 rubles
                ZY I studied in Soviet times, then studied political economy, then read the works of Lenin, later Stalin ...
    2. free
      free 29 December 2017 09: 50 New
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      All to the polls, we’ll hit the enemy by elections! New people into power, down with the thieves kagal! Vote for Grudinin!
      1. Loess
        Loess 29 December 2017 11: 01 New
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        Vote for Grudinin!
        We have our own heads on our shoulders, we’ll figure out who we vote for)
        1. free
          free 29 December 2017 11: 08 New
          +7
          Quote: Less
          Vote for Grudinin!
          We have our own heads on our shoulders, we’ll figure out who we vote for)

          Yes, please, I did not contact you!
        2. MrK
          MrK 30 December 2017 21: 12 New
          +6
          Quote: Less
          We have our own head on our shoulders, we’ll figure out who we vote for


          90% of the population is bothered only by an increasingly thin stew every year. 80% of them are ordinary people who are not interested in ideology. And live by the principle of the primary. The main principle: eat, defecate and fuck. Where did they get their heads on their shoulders? They have in their head dogmas from a zombie creator, about a bright Putin who says the right words. And the government appointed by them does the opposite. But our light does not notice this.
          Example.
          2001 Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that housing and communal services reform should be carried out at the expense of worsening living conditions.
          2002 Mr. Putin: “Only such an approach will help alleviate the fears of our citizens that the entire housing and communal services reform will not come down to a bare increase in tariffs.”
          2003 Mr. Putin: “The problem of housing and communal services cannot be solved by raising administrative tariffs.”
          2005 Mr. V. Putin - demanded to stop the "bacchanalia" with housing and communal services.
          2006 V. Putin - dissatisfied with the growth of tariffs for housing and communal services
          2007 Mr. V. Putin: “Already, it is important to launch truly effective economic mechanisms to stop the unjustified increase in tariffs and ensure an increase in the quality of these services (housing and communal services). "People do not expect money from us, people expect changes for the better from us, they have the right to count on this."
          2008 Mr. Putin: "The growth rate of housing and communal services tariffs can and should be reduced."
          2009 Mr. Putin: "Speculatively overstated housing and utilities tariffs is unacceptable."
          2011 (May) V. Putin: "Housing and communal services cannot be reformed at the expense of the population."
          2013 g. (March) V. Putin: “Are you crazy? You can’t overestimate the prices in housing and communal services. ”
          As a result, since 1999 of the year the cost of housing and communal services has increased by - 3850% or - by 38,5 times!
          Well, vote for him in March. Only then awake for another six years. And remember: problems suffered godfather oligarchs do not strain.
      2. dauria
        dauria 29 December 2017 14: 24 New
        +2
        Vote for Grudinin!


        Just after a couple of years you will see instead of Zyuganov in the photo his updated version. And that’s it. The calculation is precisely for this.
        1. Wayfarer
          Wayfarer 29 December 2017 16: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: dauria
          The calculation is precisely for this.
          Pitiful slander, come up with something better, or did you cut your payment?
        2. MrK
          MrK 30 December 2017 21: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: dauria
          Just after a couple of years you will see instead of Zyuganov in the photo his updated version. And that’s it.


          Do not judge by yourself.
  5. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 29 December 2017 07: 19 New
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    The current economic model destroys the country and no army can save the situation, because life is tied to the economy, the real economy, and not liberal postulates, the meaning of which is colonial dependence on external players. It is very necessary that the people-working people or working people vote for Grudinin. The only question is whether the Communist Party can convey to the people the meaning of the proposed program, and the people are waiting for socialist changes. The best argument for agitation is the development of his state farm. Any production can be effective only when it is headed by a strong production worker, and not by an “effective manager” engaged in withdrawing earned funds into the personal pockets of the “owners”, when large capitals work exclusively for the Western economy, hindering the development of production in the country and strengthening our enemies . Today, GDP rests on inflation, and the economic bloc reports on the development of financial bubbles in numbers, manipulating statistics. Personally, in terms of income, housing and food expenses have doubled since 2014: the same set of products from the same manufacturers, the same housing, and the declared inflation of 2% per year does not compensate for the drop in income. And this is the situation for the vast majority of ordinary citizens, and for many, the situation is even sadder, especially if there are loans, mortgages. Today, the country's future depends on the Communist Party — whether they can hold an election campaign for the upcoming elections. I suppose Putin will gain the most votes, but Grudinin should have a comparable result, so that the authorities take into account the requests of the people
  6. saigon
    saigon 29 December 2017 07: 36 New
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    And so what do we have?
    Speaking the old regime terms of the times of the USSR (Well, where without them), bourgeois, capitalist, exploiter and for the people.
    A person who belongs to the exploiters is put forward as a defender and a sufferer for the exploited (and after all, the Communist Party of Mr. Zyuganov posits themselves this way) and then there is time for questions of such interest.
    A character who is not a party member, a capitalist person and a party representative, what does this look like?
    Is this something like a bee against honey, does the party with such a candidate look strange, or are they no longer communists?
    Well, the delight of some people about the renewal of the face of KP is simply surprising!
    More likely, the KP was simply blown away and fooled by the people!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 December 2017 07: 44 New
      +3
      More likely, the KP was simply blown away and fooled by the people!


      The elections ... and the candidate should look attractive from all sides and it does not matter who he is a communist, liberal, edros and other royal army.
      Bread and circuses ... heh heh what else does the people need ... in ancient ROME, the Romans didn’t say that for nothing.
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 29 December 2017 07: 56 New
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      Quote: saigon
      A person who belongs to the exploiters and advances as a defender and sufferer for the exploited

      But you will laugh, but among the Bolsheviks - the defenders of the workers and peasants, the workers had a gulkin nose, and the peasants and generally zero people. All some bourgeois, intelligentsia, nobles, Jewish artisans. Especially at the beginning and especially at key posts.
      1. saigon
        saigon 29 December 2017 08: 22 New
        +1
        So funny is not enough, and the difference from then to the present oh what a huge!
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 29 December 2017 09: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: saigon
          So funny is not enough, and the difference from then to the present oh what a huge!

          Duc people generally chopped. There is no personality cult now, for there are no personalities. GDP is not bad, pathos, charisma, a steady hand - against the background of other amoebas. But naturally, he was before Stalin or Churchill as a tortoise of the North Pole. What do you do? That's how we live...
          1. Romulus
            Romulus 29 December 2017 09: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Alex_59

            0
            Alex_59 Today, 09:37 ↑ New
            Quote: saigon
            So funny is not enough, and the difference from then to the present oh what a huge!

            Duc people generally chopped

            Duc folk consisting of slaves, it seems like further fading and should not (1861.g)
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 29 December 2017 09: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: Romulus
              Duc folk consisting of slaves, it seems like further fading and should not (1861.g)

              Duc is not about us alone. In "they" have the same garbage. There are no figures of the scale of Roosevelt, De Gaulle, Mao Dzedong, Churchill, and God forgive me, Hitler. Yes, even import the lackeys of the same take - they used to give out something that stands at its own level of development. Take Martin Luther King and Obama for comparison. Well, laughter is not a comparison, and I would even say not only laughter, but shame.
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 29 December 2017 08: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: saigon
      bourgeois, capitalist, exploiter

      And why not the "collective farm chairman"?
      Saying old the terms of the era of the USSR
      Be consistent
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 December 2017 08: 41 New
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      And so what do we have?
      no really what do we have? The man in whom the number of oligarchs increased, but on TV they say that America is our enemy, but we are defeating it. Vote for the winner candidate of all Americas. So what?
    5. AA17
      AA17 29 December 2017 11: 43 New
      11
      Dear Saigon. "... A person who belongs to the exploiters and advances as a defender and sufferer for the exploited ..." - Your phrase. I appreciated your sarcasm. We live under capitalism. You probably wanted a beggar, a homeless person in place of PN Grudinin. But, the highlight is that P.N.Grudinin under capitalism managed to create an enterprise that takes care of its employees. A free park with a cascade of ponds has been created, in which people from nearby cities come to rest. The cost of the park is 250 million rubles. A kindergarten (this is a palace) was built worth 500 million rubles. A modern school worth 2 billion rubles has been erected. Everything was built with state farm money. This is all for people. The money was not withdrawn to offshore; it was invested in Russia. I would very much like for all our successful Forbes billionaires to be as "sufferers for the exploited" as PN Grudinin.
      1. saigon
        saigon 29 December 2017 13: 15 New
        +1
        It’s not interesting for me to talk about the candidate (not a passing gentleman), but Mr. Zyuganov (namely, Mr. is not a comrade) and a group of people who have joined him (the self-name of the Communists is a subtle sense of humor), their twist is very, very interesting.
        On points, gentlemen such as the Communists put forward a bourgeois party on behalf of the party.
        The candidate from the Communist Party, as suggested to me by the chairman of the collective farm. but in fact the capitalist - that is, the class enemy of the Communist Party accepts the proposal of the masters from the Communist Party.
        Citizens, but there must be at least some concept of decency, ethics, or is it already in the past!
        And your truth, dear AA17 P.N. Grudin is certainly a positive character in this story (though the dirt has already begun to pour on him in tyrnets and directly with links, but KP oh how they are incomparable
        1. AA17
          AA17 29 December 2017 13: 58 New
          +7
          Dear Saigon. The Communist Party is not the Communist Party. You must understand this. I agree that mud tubs will now be poured onto PN Grudinin. I recently read the conspiracy theological version of P.N.Grudinin's nomination. This candidate should scare all our oligarchs. And also make worry "our partners abroad." "... In principle, it doesn’t matter at all from which group Grudinin, or even from Dedamorozov’s. The main thing is different. Bad, good, it doesn’t matter. Another. And not just another, but another one through. And in case of passing, victory, why would he have Putin’s friends? He has his friends who may also want to build some kind of Crimean bridge there, and now these same conditional friends of Putin are sitting, against whom America imposed sanctions there in the hope that they will influence their president Having felt the smell of frying causals, and they think: well, we will follow our quandals, surrender the first, keep the quirks. But then we just lose everything else. Grudinin didn’t conclude any agreements with anyone, he didn’t give anyone a word. he’s gotten a fodder today. Well, nafig, it’s better to lose part of what has already been stolen than to lose power and position ... They have nowhere to go, if they want to maintain their position, they need to be drowned for Putin ... "
          P.S. So - Everyone ("elite") should unite around GDP. But what will Vladimir Putin do? This is a big question. We will find out the answer in 2018.
    6. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 29 December 2017 21: 03 New
      +2
      once again: remember Savva Morozov ... and his factory villages Ivanovo, Glukhovo ... it’s bad when we forget, but it’s better to ignore history ... you can’t be Ivan, you don’t remember kinship, it ends very badly! what does not remind? Well then, remember the dashing 90s
    7. MrK
      MrK 30 December 2017 21: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: saigon
      Speaking the old regime terms of the times of the USSR (Well, where without them), bourgeois, capitalist, exploiter and for the people.


      I ask again: what to do with F. Engels?
  7. Alex_59
    Alex_59 29 December 2017 07: 44 New
    +5
    Perplexity - this is what I feel when watching all this. It is hard to believe that such a tame party, like the Communist Party, suddenly decided on a serious fight and took up serious work. No matter how it was HPP.
    A tricky KhPP may be that a subject is appointed as the heir? In theory, there are arguments for. Wanted "Putin leave"? Shouting "Eternal Putin"? Groaning "Mode"? Nate !!! Eat !!! Now you will know what the "MODE"! Western partners will also begin to remember Putin as the kindest friend. A chessboard simply flips along with a table onto the opponent’s head.
    But here is the rhetoric. Social-democratic rather than communist ... Confuses - well, everything cannot be so smooth and beautiful. I can’t believe it. Really? It’s very obvious. They hit the strings so I want to run to vote for Grudinin, bare feet in the spring March snow, choking with delight. But I don’t believe in such a thing ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 December 2017 07: 53 New
      +4
      I feel like running away to vote for Grudinin, barefoot in the spring March snow, panting with delight
      smile

      Just as before they voted for Gobachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev, Putin ... and now Grudinin ...
      none of them is perfect and Grudinin has his skeleton in the closet.
      1. Wayfarer
        Wayfarer 29 December 2017 11: 14 New
        +5
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        and Grudinin has his skeleton in the closet.
        Slander.
      2. MrK
        MrK 30 December 2017 21: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        none of them is perfect and Grudinin has his skeleton in the closet.


        Do not hide your skeleton in the cabinet of Grudinin.
    2. woron333444
      woron333444 29 December 2017 09: 48 New
      +5
      Alex_59 You should write books +++
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    1. Nonna
      Nonna 29 December 2017 08: 38 New
      15
      Quote: Alexey Antonov
      In short, if we remove the nationalization, soldering irons, Krymnash and the Politburo outside the brackets, then Navalny stood in front of me


      A quote from this opus five days ago took at random. It’s bad, citizen, that you repost here all blogging dregs and other people's thoughts. Are you so tight with yours? How old are you? you are very easy to manipulate. Political strategists love such an electorate.
  9. Notrust1
    Notrust1 29 December 2017 07: 57 New
    +6
    The whole joke is that a month ago a man didn’t even know that he would go to the polls, and now there is a program. The main thing is to collect the electorate around the ballot boxes, and they know how to count correctly, we have already passed.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 December 2017 08: 08 New
      +6
      The main thing is to collect the electorate around the ballot boxes, and they know how to count correctly, we have already passed.


      what Hmm ... I remember the trick with Yeltsin ...
      here the clowning was ... really and now this will be ...
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 29 December 2017 09: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Notrust1
      The whole joke is that a month ago a man didn’t even know that he would go to the polls, and now there is a program.

      Didn't Grudinin read the program, under which he was charged? laughing
      Does anyone else believe that the "king" is independent and independent of anyone in making his decisions?
      As soon as Papa Zyu refused to participate in the elections, he signed the death sentence to all Communists of the Communist Party.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 29 December 2017 09: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: Boris55
        As soon as Papa Zyu refused to participate in the elections, he signed the death sentence to all Communists of the Communist Party.

        You write like it was while Zu was running in the Communist Party elections everything was as you know what, but now it has suddenly fallen ... A sort of zinger was Zu, sending rays of youth, vigor and success.
        For me, duck this sentence was issued under the "Vote or lose."
    3. Height
      Height 30 December 2017 21: 00 New
      +2
      He does not have a program. He said that by mid-January they would try to publish it.
  10. odometer
    odometer 29 December 2017 08: 01 New
    10
    winked I can’t understand why many stubbornly call him the director of a state farm? Funny just ....
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 December 2017 08: 48 New
      12
      farm director?
      such an implicit desire to humiliate a person. Immediately there is an association with Soviet films, a sort of unshaven peasant in a quilted jacket. Well, which of the chairman is the head of the country? The president was made of a suitcase carrier.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 29 December 2017 09: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: Gardamir
        Immediately there is an association with Soviet films,

        The first thing that occurred to me was Lukashenko No. 2. The only difference is that Belarus has a milk cow in the form of Russia, but Russia does not and cannot have such a cow.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 29 December 2017 09: 22 New
          +3
          Lukashenko number 2.
          Well, here the times are different, and I managed to visit different thoughts, so he definitely does not look like a simple chairman.
  11. Odysseus
    Odysseus 29 December 2017 08: 18 New
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    There are just no special problems with the Communist Party program. It is really socialist (in the sense of Russian socialism, of course, not communism according to Marx). There are many inconsistencies and slogans there, but the main vector for socialism. So what Grudinin personally says is not yet impressive, he is clearly not Lenin, but it is particular.
    The main problem is to take power to implement this program.
    It’s clear that an uncontrolled candidate is not allowed in, and it’s clear that the Communist Party is a systematic party. It’s also clear that the whole system of power will work for Mr. Putin’s victory (to the extent that the governors or their deputies for the EP will head the headquarters in region).
    In these conditions, the turnout is of fundamental importance (which, in fact, is not hidden), so replacing Zyuganov (which everyone already knows about) with Grudinin is, first and foremost, a struggle for turnout from the presidential administration. That is, Grudinin will play the role of anti Navalny will turnout to decrease (by strike of the voter), and increase Grudinin.
    Can this script be flipped? In terms of results, no, we need to prepare for the fact that Putin will win Putin’s election, but in terms of reviving the Communist Party as a party of workers, not a tadpole party in the Duma, conveying its program to people, and turning the people from a passive object into the subject of politics is possible.
    What is needed for this? It is necessary that Grudinin does not imitate, but leads an election campaign, begins fight for power, traveled to the regions, met with workers, spoke in a simple, clear language about the real problems of Russia (from education reform, to the restoration of industry and the withdrawal of money to the West).
    If he will do all this, those who do not support the existing government should vote for him, if there isn’t a better boycott.
    1. Romey
      Romey 29 December 2017 08: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Odyssey
      There are just no special problems with the Communist Party program. It is really socialist (in the sense of Russian socialism, of course, not communism according to Marx). There are many inconsistencies and slogans there, but the main vector for socialism. So what Grudinin personally says is not yet impressive, he is clearly not Lenin, but it is particular.
      The main problem is to take power to implement this program.
      It’s clear that an uncontrolled candidate is not allowed in, and it’s clear that the Communist Party is a systematic party. It’s also clear that the whole system of power will work for Mr. Putin’s victory (to the extent that the governors or their deputies for the EP will head the headquarters in region).
      In these conditions, the turnout is of fundamental importance (which, in fact, is not hidden), so replacing Zyuganov (which everyone already knows about) with Grudinin is, first and foremost, a struggle for turnout from the presidential administration. That is, Grudinin will play the role of anti Navalny will turnout to decrease (by strike of the voter), and increase Grudinin.
      Can this script be flipped? In terms of results, no, we need to prepare for the fact that Putin will win Putin’s election, but in terms of reviving the Communist Party as a party of workers, not a tadpole party in the Duma, conveying its program to people, and turning the people from a passive object into the subject of politics is possible.
      What is needed for this? It is necessary that Grudinin does not imitate, but leads an election campaign, begins fight for power, traveled to the regions, met with workers, spoke in a simple, clear language about the real problems of Russia (from education reform, to the restoration of industry and the withdrawal of money to the West).
      If he will do all this, those who do not support the existing government should vote for him, if there isn’t a better boycott.

      I agree with many of your points, but there is a serious one ... So far, P.N. Grudinin builds his campaign only in the official spirit of the party leadership of the Communist Party, although he was initially positioned as a common candidate from all national-patriotic forces. This is his first serious mistake, since involving only the traditional Communist Party electorate and the left flank is clearly not enough. I hope the bias will be eliminated.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 29 December 2017 09: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: romey
        This is his first serious mistake, since involving only the traditional Communist Party electorate and the left flank is clearly not enough. I hope the bias will be eliminated.

        As far as I know, an agreement was signed just yesterday between Grudinin and the NPSR. So here, let's hope, there won’t be any special problems. In my opinion, another thing is more important, the problem of our modern communist and patriotic politicians is that they do not want to do anything. Not in terms of practical, not even in terms of theoretical struggle. they just want to hang out on the podiums and organize "round tables." And you can’t take power if you have at least 100 times the perfect program.
        What is the strength of Bulk? Yes, in that he does not arrange 125 approvals of something with someone, but goes to people and really tries to attract them. Yes, he deceives them, but he acts.
        And if Grudinin will only participate in meetings and occasionally appear on television, he won’t be necessary. He needs to go to people, he needs to organize people. Moreover, he, unlike Navalny, does not need to deceive anyone. On the contrary, his strength is in truth.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 29 December 2017 09: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      (in the sense of Russian socialism, of course, and not communism according to Marx)

      Could you give a link to the document of the Communist Party, where they renounce the teachings of K. Marx?
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 29 December 2017 13: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Boris55
        Could you give a link to the document of the Communist Party, where they renounce the teachings of K. Marx?

        Here is the party program (not for the election, but for the party) - https://kprf.ru/party/program. Having studied it, you will see that there is all one ritual mention, not even about Marxism, but about Marxism-Leninism.
        On the whole, your question is amazing, classical Marxism with its progressive capitalism and the communist revolution in the most developed capitalist countries is not just far away, but simply opposite to the main ideological principles of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. In its pure form, it remained in Russia only among some eccentric professors at universities. Even the Trotskyite sects (like the RRS) departed from him.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 29 December 2017 14: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          ... there is all one ritual mention ...

          That is, they did not retract. Thanks.
    3. Wayfarer
      Wayfarer 29 December 2017 11: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Odyssey
      so the replacement of Zyuganov (which everyone already knows about) with Grudinin is primarily a struggle for turnout by the presidential administration. That is, Grudinin will play the role of anti Navalny, he will reduce turnout (by a voter strike), and increase Grudinin.
      Nonsense is complete. GDP is not needed; the military will be forced to come to the polls with state employees and vote as they are told. The patriots need a turnout so that a free protest electorate comes to the polls. It is for this electorate that the struggle is now going on. The pro-government propagandists assure them that they must stay at home, the outcome of the elections is a foregone conclusion, and if you vote, the elections will be falsified, so there is no way out. You lie, the patriots will win the upcoming elections and send pro-Western power to the dustbin of history.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 29 December 2017 13: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: Traveler
        You lie, the patriots will win the upcoming elections and send pro-Western power to the dustbin of history.

        Adults thinking like small children are the problem of Russia. March 18 will see the reality. I hope this helps you.
        Quote: Traveler
        Nonsense is complete. GDP turnout not needed

        You are simply outside the realm of reality. In fact, for half a year the AP has been working to increase turnout - https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2017/0
        3/24/682556-kreml-izuchaet
        1. Wayfarer
          Wayfarer 29 December 2017 14: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          You will see reality on March 18. I hope this helps you.
          You in the role of who is broadcasting here: wangs or oracle. It’s ridiculous.
          Quote: Odyssey
          You are simply outside the realm of reality.
          Listen dear, how much do you pay silver coins for propaganda? Just wondering how much is going.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 December 2017 18: 12 New
            +2
            I’ll give out a forecast right now, Putin will be president until 2024 - 1000% confidence, and Grudinin has not yet "grown" to governing the country.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 29 December 2017 19: 25 New
              +7
              This is clear to Bobik. Just what will happen to Putin with us next? They will continue to press, there is no money, soon there will be nothing to hold on to, and the government is imprisoned under the impoverishment of people. Corruption is going through the roof.
              1. VladGashek
                VladGashek 29 December 2017 20: 06 New
                +3
                Grudinin is a test ball. An alternative to Putin-Medvedev is needed so that they do not drag any son Patrushev into the president. Already now it is necessary to prepare a replacement for 2024, otherwise the screaming “youth” will scream some unknown on another campaign.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 29 December 2017 20: 20 New
                +3
                Everything will be fine with us, we will continue to work and develop production.
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 29 December 2017 23: 26 New
                  +2
                  Is there money? Today, GDP has signed an amnesty for runaway capital. Why, money is needed, but it is not. The West will continue to push on all fronts. Are you personally ready to invest your savings in the country's economy? I think not. And the Chinese are investing. 40% of investment in the Chinese economy is the personal savings of the Chinese. And with us, "come back, I'll forgive everything, just give me the money." That's it!
                2. Overlock
                  Overlock 29 December 2017 23: 36 New
                  +2
                  К 2032 году из-за низких цен на нефть экономика России скатится с 11-го на 17-е место в мировом рейтинге. К такому выводу пришли аналитики британского Центра экономических и деловых исследований (Centre for Economics & Business Research, CEBR) в докладе World Economic League Table, опубликованном 26 декабря.
                  “We predict that the South Korean economy, which in 2017 was two times smaller than the Russian one, will become about twice as large by 2032,” the report said.

                  According to the calculations of the British, by this time, China will become the leader in the ranking of the largest countries in terms of GDP, and India will rise to third place (now it is in 7th place), displacing Japan to 4th place.

                  The United States, CEBR believes, will lose its status as a global economic leader in 2030.
                  Oil prices, according to CEBR, will remain low, and this will lead to a sharp weakening of the positions of the largest producers of black gold. In addition to Russia, which will let Turkey and Spain overtake itself, Saudi Arabia will be among the losers.
                  President of the Union of Entrepreneurs and Tenants of Russia Andrei Bunich:
                  The economy of the Russian Federation falls into unfavorable zones.
                  In terms of fertility - and in the corresponding coefficients in calculating GDP - Russia is closer to developed countries. But the growth potential calculated by traditional methods is limited here. This fact reflects the forecast of the British Center for Economic and Business Research.

                  At the same time, Russia - unlike Western countries - is unlikely to be able to move into a new economy without major reforms. If the current development model remains unchanged, we will not succeed in repeating the technological and qualitative changes that will occur in the economies of the Western countries.
                  This means that Russia still risks in the future to remain in the coordinates of an outdated economy. And in the CEBR ratings - to be in the company of countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh.
  12. Des10
    Des10 29 December 2017 08: 35 New
    +4
    Why not a circus?
    The Liberal Democratic Party created a counterweight to the Communists, okay, the Zhirinovsky hammer works at 5. The rest are small things, scattered, feeding from the wrong hands.
    But the Communist Party, even if it’s not the same anymore, can at least rely on ideology and history. And then there is embarrassment - there is no smart, hard-working, vibrant and worthy communist in the party. Many will consider it a betrayal and will not vote for G. non-partisan. Putin is better.
    Let Zyuganov lose before, but the idea remained, memory. And now the common candidate will wash, smooth everything. As a result, the Communist Party will become one of the "plr" or "nlrp sld" and the like. Sorry.
    1. VladGashek
      VladGashek 29 December 2017 20: 16 New
      +4
      Zyuganov is not eternal. Replacement required. In the Communist Party there are no bright, memorable personalities. Young people still need a replacement. Grudinin for this is perfect in all respects. A bet is being made on him, but a bet with an eye on the year 2024. It is then that the time will come to finally part with Putin’s PR policy within the country and rake the "Augean stables."
  13. Sofa General
    Sofa General 29 December 2017 08: 43 New
    +8
    Why is it all so excited?
    This one is bad for you, then that one.
    For me personally, Grudinin passed the test for the President: Our Crimea, Russian.
    Now on the points.
    Maybe there is someone here who believes that our domestic policy is aimed at the well-being of the people? Or is it not under Putin, reduced, oh, optimized, hospital beds in hospitals and the number of schools? These are not Putin’s words at a press conference addressed to Sechin: “But I said, you should be more modest” ... Or is everyone screaming with delight from our prime minister? No? Well, where are you screamers?
    Thus, the presidential candidate Grudinin is the best, this is really a CANDIDATE. Do not you wait for the candidate Polonsky and Ksyusha seriously? Or I'm wrong?
    So here. There will be no debate between Putin and Grudinin. They have nothing to talk about. Putin foreign policy, Grudinin business executive. Those. that part of the field where one is strong - the other is weak and vice versa. Most likely, this is HPP. Well, maybe not HPP, but a "beautiful" replacement after the election of domestic policy - they say, look, the people are against ...
    And it’s time to merge, because Osia Bender said: "And then your curls become familiar and they will just start to beat you."
    Thus, it turns out that the number of votes cast for Grudinin is his mandate to be prime minister, because Putin will not give up power. Yes, he will not be allowed.
    Will he clean or not the Augean stables of housekeeping? This is the main question.
  14. Altona
    Altona 29 December 2017 09: 02 New
    11
    Quote: Nonna
    The main thing is that the entire left front will unite, their program is good.

    ----------------------------
    I also think so in terms of tactical objectives. It is necessary to sweep, tear down, as it were, the illegitimate current government. It is illegitimate in the sense that the authorities and the "equidistant" oligarchs control the country’s illegally torn away from the people wealth-money and exported hydrocarbons. By inertia, the GDP still pretends to be a patriot, but it is pierced very very large. Sports, "the Germans did not want to fight," Solzhenitsyn, the Poles, are already somehow beginning to enrage and tire. Marxists call for a boycott of the elections, because bourgeois elections are an unfit tool for changing the internal course (Navalny is boycotting about his inadmissibility of the elections). In Europe, too, there are socialists around, however. I’m most likely going to the polls, but I’ll write through the entire ballot diagonally “Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin-Pressevnarkom of the USSR, Secretary General of the CPSU (B.), Generalissimo”.
    1. populist
      populist 29 December 2017 22: 48 New
      +2
      Altona
      I’m most likely going to the polls, but I’ll write through the entire ballot diagonally “Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin-Pressevnarkom of the USSR, Secretary General of the CPSU (B.), Generalissimo”.

      But Stalin would have said that Comrade Eugene was going to vote incorrectly. It is necessary to vote for Grudinin and agitate for him before the election. Stalin was a realist.
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  16. Vsevolod
    Vsevolod 29 December 2017 09: 39 New
    +4
    Gee-gee. Noodles on the ears. Uncle Zyu does not want to blow again - they will trample their own. And the ass - it’s nonsense - no matter how the hosts tell him - it’s stupid! However, for those to whom slogans are more important than logic, it will do just that - if only not for Putin.
  17. free
    free 29 December 2017 09: 41 New
    10
    Grudinin is my candidate!
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 29 December 2017 10: 51 New
      0
      Quote: free
      Grudinin is my candidate!

      Read the post above from Vsevolod laughing
      Quote: Vsevolod
      However, to whom slogans are more important than logic, it will do.
      1. free
        free 29 December 2017 11: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: free
        Grudinin is my candidate!

        Read the post above from Vsevolod laughing
        Quote: Vsevolod
        However, to whom slogans are more important than logic, it will do.

        The troll woke up
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2017 18: 13 New
      +3
      Noodles he, from the Communist Party, on the ears of voters, not a candidate.
  18. tasha
    tasha 29 December 2017 09: 44 New
    +6
    Communist Party, Director of the state farm, named after Lenin - this is all external, for a certain category of voters.
    Grudinin is an oligarch whose capital began to form in the 90. And at the lease of state farm land .. Having such financial support, you can play good ...
    And, as one friend of mine said, all oligarchs from 90’s hands are in blood ..
    1. VladGashek
      VladGashek 29 December 2017 20: 21 New
      +2
      It is becoming increasingly important to understand the Communist Party in the spirit of Chairman Mao or the great leader, Pol Pot, and not our friend Xi. I think that Grudinin (oligarch or millionaire) is better than Udaltsov. Sabchak or Bulk. He can do business.
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 29 December 2017 20: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: tasha
      Grudinin - Oligar

      Why are you lying?
      1. tasha
        tasha 30 December 2017 06: 56 New
        0
        Why are you lying?

        Why lie? I share my opinion formed on the basis of the information I read.
        Open the dictionary. The oligarch is a representative of large monopolized capital. Big? You will assure that the CJSC is not a large enterprise? Monopolized - practically yes, both in terms of market capture and in the concentration of this capital in the same hands ...
        You have already been written on this subject ... So it’s calmer, calmer.
        I understand that it’s easier for a certain category of people to shout “Everything is all lying ...” than to write something like “I disagree with you because .... YOU ALL LIE ...." fellow
        Happy, by the way
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 30 December 2017 10: 32 New
          0
          Quote: tasha
          Holiday greetings

          Mutually.
          But I have to tell you, the whole shaft of so-called muti, against Grudinin, is the fear of those who committed the criminal revolution in 90. And under this sauce, there are all these fictions about the "oligarch" Grudinin, forgetting the true names of all these nouveau riche compradors and their anti-people fuss.
          Quote: tasha
          Company

          A form of protection against raiding, strictly according to modern laws, what is the reason for dissatisfaction?
          Therefore, one does not have to be greedy for stuffing, stuffing precisely those who are guilty of the fact that the domestic policy in the country is directly opposite in the result-external.
          1. tasha
            tasha 31 December 2017 06: 14 New
            0
            what is the reason for dissatisfaction

            What dissatisfaction? I have an equal attitude to Grudinin.

            Therefore, you do not have to be greedy for stuffing

            Well, again .. A little that - "these are stuffing" .. Your arguments are weighty ...

            I know the man who owns a profitable factory. How he became its owner is an interesting story, but this is a separate issue. He managed to save it from the Soviet era. The company is stable, the demand for wild products, workers skate like butter and cheese, salaries are very high, social services and all that ... But he does not need to become president of the country ... His level is a factory.
          2. tasha
            tasha 31 December 2017 06: 21 New
            +1
            Since you are such a staunch supporter of Grudinin, then analyze the points of his program, taking into account his experience and achievements, think about how all this can be realized in real life and what it will lead to. Firstly, you’ll figure it out yourself, and secondly, there will be something for opponents to write about.

            And shouting "black PR, stuffing" - a lot of mind is not necessary ...
  19. TTX
    TTX 29 December 2017 10: 37 New
    +7
    Quote: tasha
    Communist Party, Director of the state farm, named after Lenin - this is all external, for a certain category of voters.
    Grudinin is an oligarch whose capital began to form in the 90. And at the lease of state farm land .. Having such financial support, you can play good ...
    And, as one friend of mine said, all oligarchs from 90’s hands are in blood ..

    Pustre will be an oligarch than a servant of oligarchs.
    1. Amper
      Amper 29 December 2017 20: 21 New
      0
      And weak yourself !? Elective from PEOPLE!? WE ARE NOT SLAVES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE NOT SLAVES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      The people ....... what are we ........ how .......
  20. atos_kin
    atos_kin 29 December 2017 10: 54 New
    +8
    Sorry I can not vote. In the New Year I will make a wish: Victory in the elections to Pavel Grudinin!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2017 18: 14 New
      +1
      He will not win 100%
    2. Amper
      Amper 29 December 2017 20: 24 New
      +4
      Pzhsta, make friends, each friend, let him collect another 10, etc.
      To the stake !! You can endure kodlu gdp - thieves and crooks ....
      There are millions of us, they are not who! As long as we are nothing!
  21. Overlock
    Overlock 29 December 2017 11: 38 New
    +4
    Quote: Less
    with a salary of 20 million this year according to him, Grudinin, according to.

    what salary does Siluanov have? MEDVEDEV?
  22. igorra
    igorra 29 December 2017 12: 32 New
    +3
    With Plato, the left got excited, a good thing happened, in Ufa we drive along a new bridge. As a former road builder, I say when I see a Chinese or MAN in 40 tons of payload. It remains to transfer the tax on all cars above 10 tons, the transport tax in the price of gasoline, and the construction of new routes only by enterprises with equipment, and not as it is now under the tender, with one table and one computer in the office.
  23. Overlock
    Overlock 29 December 2017 14: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: Oden280
    An agrarian in our country cannot be honest and prosper at the same time

    you can say the same thing about all members of the government of the Russian Federation and separately about Medvedev. Well, they are very honest!
    1. Amper
      Amper 29 December 2017 20: 18 New
      +1
      What have the ice axes forgotten how to do!?
  24. Overlock
    Overlock 29 December 2017 17: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: Nonna
    Edrosovskie political technologists plus liberals have already flooded with their manuals on the denigration of Grudinin the Internet, he is either a State Department agent, or a strawberry oligarch who exploits children, he is either a Jew and a pet of Ekhamatsi, he can’t connect the two words, then the second Yeltsin and Gorbachev.

    that's for sure! A pack of yeast was thrown into the toilet, and this is rushing them!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2017 18: 18 New
      +4
      He does not have any experience in big politics, and the program is crude. Let them work under the government for several years, then we will find out if he is worthy or not.
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 29 December 2017 21: 16 New
        +1
        it’s interesting, but did the suitcase carrier immediately begin to understand all the drinking and problems of the country's leadership?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 December 2017 22: 56 New
          0
          He began to understand this, even before coming to power.
      2. MrK
        MrK 30 December 2017 21: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        He does not have any experience in big politics, and the program is crude.


        And at the KGB officer, was she in the club?
  25. cedar
    cedar 29 December 2017 18: 33 New
    +3
    Gorbachev. Yeltsin. Zyuganov. Grudinin ...
    See the root, dear ...
    1. Amper
      Amper 29 December 2017 20: 07 New
      0
      Uncle Zyu, and his whole team - laying between the neck of the People and the power I see .. In order to amortize the most active couples. They have a relative relationship to the true Communists, true communism (the idea of ​​a nation-state)) died, probably in (?) With the Leader -V.I. Lenin. and his true supporters were cut out by the usurper ... Although, it seems, in the interests of the People .. whose carefree life was cut short after the degeneration of the true Communists into counter-revolutionaries, Khrushchev, Brezhnev -... Gorbachev
      .. and the victories of the bourgeois revolution of 1990. As a result of which, capitalists came to power in Russia, led by the EBN and GDP. If anyone has any illusions about the goals of the capitalists, especially thieves, gangsters, as in the modern state of the Russian Federation (see the history of the United States, including), read the theoreticians Campanella, Marx, Engels, Lenin (it may become sad).
      Probably, ghostly illusions of becoming rich and fucking everyone lower .... (worthy purpose of life !?), the main purpose and purpose of life of a modern Russian citizen (women, citizens, doesn’t count) .... judging by the implanted ideals!
      If not GDP, then CAT is better! choose us ... Or, most importantly, the stability of a dip in the abyss !?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 December 2017 20: 30 New
        +3
        "The stability of failure in the abyss !?" And what is this failure in the abyss - the economy is growing 3,6% this year, this year's GDP is 92 trillion rubles, gold and foreign exchange reserves are 470 billion dollars, inflation is the lowest 2,6%, factories are being built, factories are being built, power plants are being built , bridges, roads, railway stations, airports, airfields, hospitals, kindergartens. Russia is the safest country in the world in countering terrorist acts.
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 29 December 2017 20: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: cedar
      See the root, dear ...

      I don’t know what root you saw there, but the fact that you got into a hole with it .. fact.
  26. Height
    Height 29 December 2017 18: 50 New
    +5
    Let's put aside, at least for a while, a patriotic impulse and calmly, logically, we will reflect on such an expression as ideology!
    Here P. Grudinin answers evasively, there is no exact definition. But you must admit that ideology is one of the most important aspects. This is energy, an engine, so to speak. And if there is no ideology, then there is no positive energy that can at least move something.
    For taxes, there is also no docking. It looks like a schoolboy who is poorly prepared for exams.
    And further. Pavel Grudinin: My main goal and the party that nominated me is to increase the well-being of the Russian people.
    I alone do not believe the sincerity of this statement?
    There is also a problem with good political scientists there.
    Understand that revolution is degradation. Do we need it?
  27. RUSS
    RUSS 29 December 2017 18: 55 New
    +6


    Pavel Grudinin, on a plausible pretext, offered the peasants to return the plots back in the form of a contribution to the share capital of the Lenin State Farm CJSC created in 1995.

    - And it turned out that, having lost the received land, hundreds of people became shareholders. At the same time, people were persuaded - ostensibly in order to protect against raiders - to fix in the charter a provision that the land of a state farm can only be sold at a price of $ 1,5 thousand per one hundred square meters. This despite the fact that the land remained in the status of agricultural purpose and was not transferred for housing construction, the lawyer notes. - Then 526 people contributed their shares to the capital of the CJSC, and they became shareholders of CJSC Lenin State Farm.

    most of the shares were bought back from the peasants by the year 2000.

    - Now about 40 people are left with shareholders. These are state farm managers and leaders. Grudinin himself has about 40% of the shares, a source familiar with the situation tells Life.




    — Весь секрет успеха Павла Грудинина связан с близостью участков к МКАД и доходам от сдачи в аренду его "золотых" земель. Ведь именно здесь расположены такие акулы бизнеса, как торговый центр "Вегас", StarLight Cash & Carry, "Вэймарт" и дилерские центры "Ниссан", "Тойота" и "Лексус". А деньги за аренду идут ЗАО "Совхоз имени Ленина". — Ежегодные доходы Павла Грудинина могут доходить до нескольких сотен миллионов долларов.

    On the website of Lenin State Farm CJSC you can find advertisements for renting out shopping arcades on the 23rd km of Kashirskoye Shosse located on the territory of the state farm. Rent one square meter per year is 25 thousand rubles. The premises are rented in blocks of 240 and 120 square meters.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 29 December 2017 21: 28 New
      +3
      So what? Well, he leases, receives benefits, PAYS taxes, provides YOUR employees with WORTHY wages, namely EARNINGS, and does this brain endure for you? you better such an echivective manager as Siluanov, or Naebullina?
  28. sapporo1959
    sapporo1959 29 December 2017 19: 07 New
    10
    All the same, whatever you say, but Grudinin, of course, stirred up the elective swamp field. I personally personally went to the polls before Putin then spat, and now for some reason my nth comrade got me interested. .Although a new interesting face has appeared. But it seems to me that Comrade Putin is a little tired and tired of promises to fulfill the young team ...
    1. Height
      Height 29 December 2017 20: 02 New
      +3
      It is interesting to ask the opinion of those present here: Who is for canceling the votes in the elections of those who have dual citizenship or who live most of the time outside of Russia, and those who have only a Russian citizen passport but do not live in Russia?
      Let them come to their homeland, live in their homeland, then their opinion will be interesting. And so, live there, well, live, you breathe easily there, well, breathe. Why interfere in our lives. We, not you, should live here. And do not say that when there is an environment that suits you, then you will come.
      We live here, we live here. Do not decide for us.
    2. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 29 December 2017 21: 29 New
      0
      if he also did ... belay
  29. Pavel_n
    Pavel_n 29 December 2017 19: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: chikenous59
    Have you read the book "Depressurization"? This is a small part of the work that has been prepared for years, but even from this book a lot is clarified and it becomes clear what Pyakin, Efimov and others are repelling from.


    I will tell you this: I read enough KOB literature. At first I was delighted with the understanding that suddenly fell upon me. This, however, was an illusion, or perhaps self-hypnosis. Now I see in a completely different light all the work of the USSR Supreme Council - in the opposite of their announcements. And it becomes clear on many factors, but as long as you BELIEVE them (unknown authors !!!) you will not be persuaded ... She is such a faith ... insidious.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 30 December 2017 15: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Pavel_N
      It was, however, an illusion.

      Maybe then enlighten? I am ready for discussion, I will be happy to hear your opinion
  30. Amper
    Amper 29 December 2017 19: 38 New
    +4
    He voted for VVp once, when he replaced the EBN, in the hope of .....
    And I realized in the future that goddamned six in aces he draws himself ..
    "I guarantee you a steady increase in corruption ..."
    Presenting is not required - everything is in .... except the beholder ...
    Kodla is fed, Rosgvard, troops - all with the loot .. It will not be easy ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2017 20: 34 New
      +1
      In our country, the majority of people are spreading corruption and bribery, they will not give money to officials and others, the problem itself will be solved for the most part.
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 29 December 2017 21: 04 New
        +3
        Deep! And you didn’t try to turn to the government by chance? Well, what do we issue in a decree not to give, but if not more than a million is given, since not every citizen has two million of these ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 December 2017 23: 01 New
          0
          For each of 500, 1000, tens of thousands, 100 each gives several times a year, well, that would be faster to do something and not wait - the will amounts are astronomical, and also there is greed for those who are given.
  31. Amper
    Amper 29 December 2017 20: 29 New
    +6
    Anyone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least hell !!! Just not GDP !!!!!!!!
    With him, cows and women will soon come out with palm oil.
    AND MAINLY STABLE !!!
    1. Height
      Height 30 December 2017 18: 31 New
      +1
      How easily you sell your soul. With such a worldview, as a rule, the homeland is easily sold.

      "Anyone." For example, Bulk or Sobchak, go? Then in the pride parade which row will you take, first?
  32. cedar
    cedar 29 December 2017 20: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: cedar
    See the root, dear ...

    I don’t know what root you saw there, but the fact that you got into a hole with it .. fact.


    Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Zyuganov - traitors, and their sternum protégé ...
    "An apple from an apple tree ..."
  33. Altona
    Altona 29 December 2017 21: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: Amper
    To the stake !! can endure coder

    ----------------------------------
    According to Marxism, bourgeois elections are not suitable for changing the socio-political formation. The sharks of capitalism are more likely to destroy such a ruler. It will be just conciliation, but it will be the same. No one will give you such huge chunks of property voluntarily. You can see how it was in Chile, how they killed Salvador Allende. The bourgeois reaction will be instantaneous.
    PS I personally do not know what Pavel Grudinin is, although I saw videos with his participation both positive and negative. I do not want to speak about him in any way; a person has not yet shown himself in such areas. I expressed my opinion about the elections. None of the candidates suits me. By the way, Gennady Andreyevich only on his authority and admin resource pushed the candidacy of Pavel Grudinin at the party congress. Klychkov, Rashkin, Melnikov and a number of comrades who are sympathetic to me were categorically against Grudinin. Klychkov seems to me a more interesting candidate, for example. That's about it to summarize.
    1. your1970
      your1970 29 December 2017 22: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      According to Marxism, bourgeois elections are not suitable for changing the socio-political formation.
      -I agree, moreover, the people in the VO no longer understand the incompatibility of the billionaire and the Communist Party. The fathers of the founders of Marxism are spinning in tombs ..
      That's about how - in 1917, Savva Morozov became the head of the Bolsheviks and led the revolution .....
  34. Altona
    Altona 29 December 2017 21: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: Vadim237
    We have corruption and bribery for the most part the people breed

    -------------------------------------
    Yeah, and even better if they take up the pitchfork. Corruption is not just about housekeeping or bribery. Corruption means "wrong." That is, a number of systems in our state initially work incorrectly and do not fulfill the functions laid down in them.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2017 23: 04 New
      0
      If they do not fulfill their functions, then this is called idleness, gouging, indifference, but alas - not only officials sin this.
  35. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 29 December 2017 21: 41 New
    +6
    Now I know for sure who I will vote for in the elections
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2017 23: 05 New
      +1
      For whom-Putin?
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    1. your1970
      your1970 29 December 2017 22: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: mak_sim
      For an ordinary person, a career is simply fantastic: for 20 years from the head of the workshops become an oligarch (albeit a local affair) and run for president from the Communist Party, not even a member of it!
      I applaud while standing !!! The only clarification is that part of the property is worth about 3 billion rubles. = $ 52 million, which, in general, even in the Moscow region is already a big fee
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 30 December 2017 18: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: mak_sim
      Additions and criticism are essentially welcome!

      Black PR, nothing more.
      What do you have against and what can you show better than Grudinin?
      1. mak_sim
        mak_sim 30 December 2017 21: 20 New
        0
        I can only supplement
        According to the registration data, CJSC “State Farm Named After Lenin” is the founder of another company: CJSC “Management Company of the State Farm named after Lenin +”, the founder of which is JSC “REGISTRATOR R.OST.T.” (TIN 7726030449).

        The main shareholder of this joint-stock company is Mr. Abramovich Roman Arkadievich (99,66%).

        On the charity of Grudinin. Yes, he shares with his employees. But here it is not so simple. For example, take his famous kindergarten, built for 200 with more than a million rubles. This is a private institution, the cost of one place there is 21 800 rubles per month, but the state buys 98 places from the kindergarten, thereby making them municipal. That’s why it is so - at the Moscow Ring Road the state spends more on one kindergarten than on the population of a large village in which several thousand people live? And on this, advertising of a clever friend and the Communists, and the oligarch Abramovichich is also done!
        ➡ Source: https://publizist.ru/blogs/108984/22313/
  37. sapporo1959
    sapporo1959 29 December 2017 23: 32 New
    +3
    Well, the first revelations of the oligarch Grudilin went under the guise of a state farm with the name of Lenin. Somehow quickly, freshly and fervently ...
    1. mak_sim
      mak_sim 30 December 2017 16: 16 New
      +1
      Yes, the election promises to be interesting.
  38. NordUral
    NordUral 29 December 2017 23: 43 New
    +4
    There will be unity in a united front of all patriotic forces - Grudinin, and therefore we, the people, will win in the first round.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 30 December 2017 18: 33 New
      0
      Quote: NordUral
      There will be unity in a united front of all patriotic forces

      As we see even here, it is not so simple.
      Left-handed people of various kinds, supposedly communists from Suraikin’s partake, will interfere with all forces, the same thing with those who have believed in the shooter, who, no matter how fish or meat, has already betrayed.
      Well, all this will be puppeteer-propagandists from EP, where are you without them, orphans .. Putin disowned them, will now prove their dubious usefulness.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDeb0OATddU
    2. saigon
      saigon 31 December 2017 12: 51 New
      0
      Mr. Goodin and the people, well, weren’t anywhere near!
      In the words of I. S. Stalin from different classes, the exploiter and the people have nothing in common.
  39. cedar
    cedar 30 December 2017 06: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: your1970
    mak_sim Yesterday, 22:17 PM New
    Who is and what Mr. Grudinin wants
    I want to share with people what I found in the course of my interest in the network of Grudinin recently from not very poster information. I will first state the facts, then I will give an assessment of the written facts.
    I
    Since he is a candidate for presidency of the Russian Federation, I will start not with a biography, but with his presidential plans. Because it is much more important for people.
    He did not have his own plan for the future presidency, he took the entire program from the Communist Party party, by the way of which he was not a member (before that he was in United Russia and tried to get into the Liberal Democratic Party, but did not call). He also adds that the program posted now for general viewing is not complete and will be supplemented in the near future. He also does not have his own team, which will have to bring his election program to life, which means he will use the team from the Communist Party.
    A few days ago, Zyuganov clarified in an interview about the presidential program of Grudinin. In them he announced a serious limitation of the presidential power in all areas. These restrictions lie in the establishment of the Supreme State Council, without the approval of which no fundamentally important decision of the head of state (Prezident) will be implemented. This structure will include "the largest and most influential figures. In addition, the president will have to coordinate the candidacies of ministers in the State Duma. It is also necessary to simplify the impeachment procedure, the Communists say. Also, no one will have the right to assume the post of president more than twice in his life.
    Also, the people will have to resolve the most important social, political and socio-economic issues through a referendum.
    Source: https://rg.ru/2017/12/23/ziuganov-predstavil-pred
    vybornuiu-programmu-kandidata-ot-kprf.html
    II
    In Politics, he has long been, since 1997, when he became a deputy of the Moscow Regional Duma. The career of the deputy and member of United Russia ended after a scandalous interview, after which he was accused of inciting ethnic hatred and withdrew the application for the election. Source: http://expert.ru/russian_reporter/2011/43/palniko
    laich-imeni-lenina /
    In February, the 2014 Supreme Court of the Russian Federation eventually ordered the Moscow Regional Court to re-examine the registration of Grudinin. The Moscow Regional Court has not considered the matter until today, but Grudinin was allowed to register for the elections. In 16 and 17, he was elected from the Communist Party (not being a member of the party) but lost the election. With 2011 Deputy Chairman of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation for the development of the agro-industrial complex. Since February, 2015 has been on the board of the National Union of Milk Producers. Since 2015, Member of the Public Council under the Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation. Source: http://tass.ru/info/4838426
    During my work in politics, I did not find Grudinin’s outstanding achievements on the net. In December 2017, he criticized the government, but apparently himself (because he holds positions in this industry), on the topic of food security. Source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGrJ8V1zZT0
    III
    He is the owner of 40% ZAO Lenin State Farm, where 40 people are still owners. In 1995, the owners were 525 people. Source: https://www.kp.ru/daily/26774/3808147/
    The number of personnel, as of 2002 of the year at CJSC Lenin State Farm was at the rate of 314 people. Source: http://www.list-org.com/company/9532
    The size of the company is about two thousand hectares of land in the Moscow region.
    The population of the state farm named after Lenin totals 4954 people. Source: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_settlement_
    State Farm_Names_Lenin
    At the moment, for its core activities (production and marketing of agricultural products), Lenin State Farm CJSC is incurring losses (here I deducted administrative and commercial expenses, controversial effect from sales profit, but there are no other data). The remaining revenues, which are an order of magnitude higher, are in the other expenses column and are not related to core business of the company. It turns out the well-being of the company is based on completely different assets than agriculture. Source: https: //zachestnyibiznes.ru/company/ul/1
    025000658099_5003009032_ZAO-SOVHOZ-IMENI-LENINA / b
    alance
    ZAO “Lenin State Farm” opened 101 court cases, for the most part land owners wanted to seize their part of the land from the company. Source: https://zachestnyibiznes.ru/company/ul/1025000658
    099_5003009032_ZAO-SOVHOZ-IMENI-LENINA / arbitratio
    n
    Conclusions:
    In terms of political power, Grudinin does not represent anything, because he has neither his own team nor his own thoughts on what he is going to do as president of the Russian Federation. But as it turned out from the words of Zyuganov, Grudinin absolutely does not need to have his own thoughts, because the main task of his nomination is the complete restriction of presidential power in the state and strengthening the power of political elites, as according to Zyuganov, “the largest and most influential figures” will enter the Council of State (I think political figures are meant).
    A very tricky move with the name of the company owned by Grudinin. Because the full name of Lenin State Farm CJSC, but in the vast majority of television programs and on the Internet this “trifle” as a CJSC is cute omitted, which creates the illusion that it is a Soviet type state farm. Which makes one think: “there is such a person who was able to save the state farm in its original form, and how to ennoble it!” In addition to the fact that he is being put forward by the Communist Party, a very powerful weapon against uninformed people. It turns out a capitalist wolf with a human face in sheep's clothing (communist).
    Judging by the very great activity on the network and television: broadcasts, interviews, flickering in the news, the former patriotic communities are outbid with several thousand people (only in the last 2 days there were two more Grudinin groups with more than 5 thousand people in contact, like a little , but the election is still a long way off, and the dynamics of hoo) there are a lot of money and connections behind it, endowed with cyber potential as well.
    All of the above suggests that he has a very strong “roof”, which allowed him not only to carry himself boldly with raiders and all kinds of extortionists, but also to obtain deputy posts, first joining United Russia, and then to the Communist Party. Those. this “roof” either covers these parties, or is part of these parties. Such a "roof" allowed Grudinin to bend the state farm under itself and become almost a co-owner of Sovsoh im. Lenin ", about the other" owners "of the company there is no information. Former owners who did not sue, agreed instead of land, which now costs at least hundreds of thousands of dollars, to work for Grudinin in his company and get a salary twice the national average and use cheap loans for housing and well-equipped infrastructure of the town, showing how a capitalist with a human face, having beaten to the skin, made it possible to live better than the national average. How do you respond to a robber who takes your apartment and car, but gives you a little work and the opportunity to buy a car and a shack on credit, while repairing the car and shack?
    From another point of view, they immediately wanted to make him a capitalist with a human face, having big plans for him in politics, because almost immediately (for two years he crushed the Lenin State Farm CJSC for himself) he went into politics and was not limited to local self-government. For an ordinary person, a career is simply fantastic: for 20 years, from the head of the workshops to become an oligarch (albeit a local affair) and run for president from the Communist Party, even not a member!
    You might also think that he is a very successful and resourceful person, that everything goes by itself into the Christmas tree by itself. In such a situation, I would be even more worried, because luck has such a property, at the very right time (for example, becoming president) to turn away from your favorite.
    In any case, from the above, I understood the following - Mr. Grudinin does not want to make all of Russia in the image and likeness of the village Zavkhoz named after Lenin.
    Additions and criticism are essentially welcome!


    The legal address of this Grudininsky paradise is interesting ... Who is in the know, please tell me the registration of the company of this farm ...
    1. mak_sim
      mak_sim 30 December 2017 16: 10 New
      0
      Legal address: ?
      142715, Moscow Region, rural settlement of the State Farm Named after Lenin, village of the State Farm named after Lenin, Leninsky district, 19
      registered at this address: 1
      Show on Google map
      Legal Entity Manager?
      Director
      Grudinin Pavel Nikolaevich
      TIN? Xnumx
      valid with 16.04.2012

      Source: https://zachestnyibiznes.ru/company/ul/1025000658
      099_5003009032_ZAO-SOVHOZ-IMENI-LENINA
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 30 December 2017 18: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: cedar
      this manager ..

      Your ardor is interesting, what did you personally do better than Grudinin? The second you reprinted the sheet of fake gossip - yours1970, and that one, except for shouting, was not noticed in anything positive. So .. Neo-Trotskyist squealing on ultrasound, why and why?
      1. your1970
        your1970 31 December 2017 12: 57 New
        0
        Quote: badens1111
        svogo1970, and he, except for shouting, was not seen in anything positive. so .. neotrotskistsky squeal on ultrasound, why and from what?
        -And from you directly positive and true and bears ...

        this sheet is not mine, but - mak_sim December 29, 2017 22:17 PM

        Have you been able to convict at least one of my positions as a lie? That he is the owner of 44% of the shares, that the balance sheet of the company is 7 billion, and that there are no more than 50 shareholders (by law)? Tell me a lie !!!
  40. Altona
    Altona 30 December 2017 10: 26 New
    0
    Quote: populist
    But Stalin would have said that Comrade Eugene was going to vote incorrectly. It is necessary to vote for Grudinin and agitate for him before the election. Stalin was a realist.

    ---------------------------
    I explain that the elections are bourgeois. What is the point of voting on them?
  41. Altona
    Altona 30 December 2017 10: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: mak_sim
    All of the above suggests that he has a very strong “roof”, which allowed him not only to carry himself boldly with raiders and all kinds of extortionists, but also to obtain deputy posts, first joining United Russia, and then to the Communist Party. Those. this “roof” either covers these parties, or is part of these parties. Such a "roof" allowed Grudinin to bend the state farm under itself and become almost a co-owner of Sovsoh im. Lenin

    ---------------------------------------
    Pavel Grudinin - creature of Roman Abramovich. Therefore, in the elections, who will vote for them will choose either GDP or Grudinin. Both are proteges of the oligarchs-Abramovich, Sechin, Rotenberg, Miller, Chubais. The puzzle has developed. Therefore, this is an election without a choice.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 30 December 2017 18: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Pavel Grudinin - creature of Roman Abramovich.

      And how do you confirm this stuffing?
      Something that only dogs do not hang on him, and all the sources of stuffing-chatter in the networks, slurred comments by Dubovsky, which in fact turn out to be a lie.
  42. iouris
    iouris 30 December 2017 14: 37 New
    +3
    Presidential candidate of the "great sovereign nuclear missile power, permanent member of the UN Security Council, etc." must be trained. Grudinin is an impromptu. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not communist; it has integrated itself into power and, at best, is waiting for a world social revolution, or at least a German revolution. But, most likely, they are pragmatists there.
  43. cedar
    cedar 30 December 2017 15: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: mak_sim
    All of the above suggests that he has a very strong “roof”, which allowed him not only to carry himself boldly with raiders and all kinds of extortionists, but also to obtain deputy posts, first joining United Russia, and then to the Communist Party. Those. this “roof” either covers these parties, or is part of these parties. Such a "roof" allowed Grudinin to bend the state farm under itself and become almost a co-owner of Sovsoh im. Lenin

    ---------------------------------------
    Pavel Grudinin - creature of Roman Abramovich. Therefore, in the elections, who will vote for them will choose either GDP or Grudinin. Both are proteges of the oligarchs-Abramovich, Sechin, Rotenberg, Miller, Chubais. The puzzle has developed. Therefore, this is an election without a choice.


    Whose creature is Abramovich?
    1. mak_sim
      mak_sim 30 December 2017 16: 14 New
      0
      Abramovich is a creature of those who made him an oligarch - US intelligence agencies and those who stand behind them ..
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 30 December 2017 18: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: mak_sim
        Abramovich is a creature of those who made him an oligarch - US intelligence agencies and those who stand behind them ..

        Whose creature is he ... Yeltsin’s cough, who there helped that impersonator clearly .. but to glue Abramovich to Grudinin and the Communist Party with the NPSR, lies and black PR.
        1. mak_sim
          mak_sim 30 December 2017 20: 56 New
          0
          what exactly do you dislike in this article https://publizist.ru/blogs/108984/22313/
          it shows that Grudinin and Abramovich have a common business.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 30 December 2017 21: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: mak_sim
            it shows

            What is shown there? Does Abramovich clean the toilets at the state farm?
            This article, ordering pure water m \ molded on speculation, is that all you have against Grudinin?
            This pearl "According to the registration data of CJSC" State Farm Named After Lenin "is the founder of another company: CJSC" Management Company of the State Farm named after Lenin + ", the founder of which is JSC" REGISTRATOR R.O.S.T. (TIN 7726030449).
            ➡ Source: https://publizist.ru/blogs/108984/22313/"-NIKAKI
            M is not evidence.
            Probably all displeased with Grudinin’s candidacy were arranged only by an incorporeal alien. Such as, for example, ether.
            Therefore, do not go to the polls, this will not happen there, but wait for your candidate. Like the sea weather.
            And all sober-minded people will go and vote for Grudinin, without asking you, dissatisfied with his nomination, for your consent.
            Therefore, indignant silently, as professional Jesuit provocateurs do on the forum. Take an example of their professionalism, however, without paying for your dissatisfaction. Your difference from professional provocateurs, you do it for free.
            But your free dissatisfaction is compensated by sincerity, which was not, is not and never will be among professional provocateurs.
            Banal forgery. Dear mak_sim. Be so kind as a direct link to the original source of the "Independent Registration Company" or to document TIN 7726030449 with the obligatory mention of all co-founders.

            I HAND FOR HANDS. FELL. I will check everything thoroughly.
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  44. Pavel_n
    Pavel_n 30 December 2017 16: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: chikenous59
    Maybe then enlighten? I am ready for discussion, I will be happy to hear your opinion

    I have no desire to discuss. Educate what? I can not educate - do not give sins;)
  45. Doliva63
    Doliva63 30 December 2017 18: 16 New
    +7
    He says everything is true. If they register, I am for him.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 30 December 2017 18: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Doliva63
      If they register, I am for him.

      That's right, colleague.
      If there was none, then in the Networks, there would not be such a company so crazy in the heat of lies, myths, gossip, dirt.
      Stuffing about Abramovich and stuff, food for owl ..
  46. ando_bor
    ando_bor 30 December 2017 18: 36 New
    0
    Some of my cockroaches, also wanted to vote for Grudinin, they say - he will carry out nationalization and ensure the inviolability of private property, and then they saw that the mercenary State Department blows for him, - they changed their minds, “patriots however.
  47. badens1111
    badens1111 30 December 2017 18: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: ando_bor
    Some of my cockroaches

    They blew you a roof, that you are arrogantly falling under the Law on Defamation, are you pouring obvious falsity here?
  48. cedar
    cedar 30 December 2017 18: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: badens1111
    If there was none, then in the Networks, there would not be such a company so crazy in the heat of lies, myths, gossip, dirt.


    Nets to warm the Western specialists on inform. war like two fingers ...
    Moreover, the arrogant Saxons have long been preoccupied with how and on whom to rely on what would fill up the disobedient Putin in the elections. Grudinin from the cage of the oligarchs. One shopping mall (candy trepak) in Ukraine is the oligarch Poroshenko, another shopping mall is being developed in Russia by the same method. The electorate is essentially the same as in Ukraine, in the Russian Federation ...
    It was only necessary to exchange Nuland cookies for Zyuganov’s buns ...
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 30 December 2017 21: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: cedar
      Moreover, the arrogant Saxons have long been preoccupied with how and on whom to rely on what would fill up the disobedient Putin in the elections. Grudinin from the cage of the oligarchs

      So you fell under the wiring of the West, I congratulate you on stunning blindness.
      It amazes me, from Ukraine, such as tips, such as Rogers and other little-known figures, for example, a certain Kiev on KONT, word for word, they carry all the nonsense that you repeat here, so who, for whom and why works, if not they Are you in the interest of, for example, confidential?
      Grudinin from the oligarchs ..... no, it must be definitely bought or absolutely illiterate to sculpt, given that the whole oligarchy of Russia is on the other side.
      WHERE, at least ONE acceptable evidence, except for a fake with makfolom?
  49. cedar
    cedar 31 December 2017 07: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: badens1111
    So you fell under the wiring of the West, I congratulate you on stunning blindness.


    Well, I ... alone, but with me for the company and you are caught, and hundreds and thousands of people like you ...

    "Grudinin is a clear friend of the people. AND SECRET - ANTI-NATIONAL OLIGARCH Abramovich

    Having participated in a lot of discussions about presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin and having collected all the arguments, I summarize everything in five theses.

    1. Let's start with the definition. State Farm (short for "Soviet economy") is a state agricultural enterprise in the USSR. And CJSC Lenin State Farm, in which Grudinin owns 44 percent of the shares, to call the state farm the old-fashioned way is the same as Moskovsky Komsomolets as the newspaper of the communist youth, and its editor and owner Pavel Gusev as the main Komsomol member. It is necessary to distinguish essence from appearance.

    2. About the fact that "Grudinin conducts the economy in a Soviet way, on socialist principles." And what does it mean - in a Soviet way? Is the use of cheap labor of migrant workers by the Grudininsky CJSC - is it Soviet? But how can one behave differently in market conditions?

    And therefore, Grudinin behaves exactly as the current god of profit and commercial success commands, ordering not to shun any business unions.

    According to the registration data, CJSC “State Farm Named After Lenin” is the founder of another company: CJSC “Management Company of the State Farm named after Lenin +”, the founder of which is JSC “REGISTRATOR R.OST.T.” (TIN 7726030449).

    The main shareholder of this joint-stock company is Mr. Abramovich Roman Arkadievich (99,66%).

    На территории поселения «Совхоз имени Ленина» расположены торговые предприятия: ТК «Твой дом», ТК «Вегас», ТК «StarLight Cash & Carry», дилерские центры «Nissan», «Toyota» и «Lexus».

    And a couple more beds of strawberries.

    3. On the main reason for the success of businessman Grudinin. Those who want to sort it out can look at the information on the profits and losses of the Grudininsky CJSC, where the profit from other income is many times greater than the profit from the supposedly main - agricultural production. Everything is simple - near the Moscow Ring Road. During the privatization of the former state farm, the golden Moscow Ring Road got a free joint-stock company. And then it was possible to sell it under Auchan and cottages for new Russians.

    Could such a success story happen, for example, with the Karelian state farm? The question is rhetorical. The main thing is that we are dealing with a smart privatizer, profiting from our once public property. And by no means the socialist, but the parasitic nature of the Stalinist business, which is also tied to laundering money to the oligarch, which the people hate the people, is the key to its success.

    4. About the charity of Grudinin. Yes, he shares with his employees. But here it is not so simple. For example, take his famous kindergarten, built for more than 200 million rubles. This is a private institution, the cost of one place there is 21 rubles a month, but the state buys 800 places from the kindergarten, making them municipal.

    Grudinin and Abramovich were able to hang their charity, so called everywhere, on the neck of the state - and they don’t know grief! At the same time, the cost of the Staraya Kindergarten for the state treasury is comparable to the annual budget of small regional centers of some Karelia. That’s why it is so - the state spends more on one kindergarten on the Moscow Ring Road than on the population of a large village in which several thousand people live? And on this, advertising of a clever friend and communists, and OLIGARCH Abramovich!

    5. And finally about Grudinin as a politician. I think that over the past 20 plus years of bourgeois democracy, many should have understood that the main thing in politics is not words that have been devalued to the limit, but actions. Therefore, it doesn’t matter what right or wrong the “People’s candidate Grudinin” says.

    Let's look at his actions. A ten-year stay in the United Russia party and a long-term deputy, ironically associated with the “right vote”. Then flirting with the Liberal Democratic Party and Zhirinovsky. And only then came to the Communist Party. But just in case, he never joined this party of fake communists! He is smart as Abramovich - and he didn’t block the path for retreat:

    “The situation is constantly changing, and we need to constantly adjust our actions. Surviving in nature is not the fittest, but the one who adapts better, ”are his golden words. They say a lot.

    These are the facts, and not the “Marxist dogmas”, about which the paid and simply stupid defenders of the capitalist and landowner Pavel Grudinin like to rattle, allow us to speak of this candidate as a “setup”.

    For nothing discredits the Communists as much as a nomination from the Communist Party (which many mistakenly consider communist) of the former United Russia party, careerist and latifundist, whose prosperity is based on the privatization of ultra-expensive land. Plus, a commercial alliance with one of our most odious oligarchs.

    Based on materials by Alexander Stepanov
    ➡ Source: https://publizist.ru/blogs/108984/22313/-


    Wanted strawberries ..? Look do not be afraid ...

    "Berkut24
    Chairman of the state farm named after Lenin. Even a very rich peasant, this is just the work of the head and hands.

    Well, that is another "rich left." By the way, as far as I remember, the Lenin state farm is selling its land for development, perhaps the wealth of the "peasant" is from here.
    As follows from the protocol of the court session of the Vidnovsky City Court of 12.11.1996/XNUMX/XNUMX, Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin in an unknown way received certificates of ownership of land plots issued to members of the labor collective of KSP named after Lenin with the imaginary purpose of transferring them to members of the labor collective. However, Grudinin P.N. for a long time kept the evidence, explaining its actions by the fact that the certificates need to be corrected and therefore sent to the District Committee on Land Resources.
    On June 21, 2006 criminal case No. 84128 was instituted under Part 1 of Art. 327 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Forgery of a certificate or other official document granting rights or exempting from duties, in order to use it, or marketing such a document).
    During the preliminary investigation, expert studies were conducted, the results of which showed that the signatures in the memorandum of association were forged.
    Most witnesses also confirmed the fact of falsification.
    Former members of the labor collective were found to be robbed and wrote a letter to the Governor stating that in fact CJSC Lenin State Farm was seized by the management, and "our property was irrevocably stolen."
    In order to legalize stolen property, CJSC State Farm named after Lenin ”established and entered into the capital of a number of commercial enterprises, the co-founders and leaders of which are the relatives of P. Grudinin, as well as persons directly associated with P. Grudinin
    Such is the presidential candidate, and the money in Zyuganov’s party has not smelled for a long time, especially the state farm manure. "

    Few?
    There will be more further, because the Grudininsky strawberry “paradise” turns out to be another Western trap and a trap for the gullible with what I “congratulate” them ...
    1. tasha
      tasha 31 December 2017 10: 01 New
      +2
      Dear badens1111. In continuation of our discussion with you - do not rush to write "stuffing", "provocation ..." again.

      PN Grudinin is a successful businessman. Donald Trump is a successful businessman ... Petro Poroshenko is a successful businessman ... Are they good presidents?
      Grudinin goes to the polls with the Communist Party program. Yes, the program is wonderful, you can subscribe to every item. The slogans are good ... Salvador Allende won with the same slogans .. After him Pinochet came ...
  50. cedar
    cedar 31 December 2017 12: 00 New
    +2
    badens1111 and others like him, stand on your feet and then (not immediately) clarification and comprehension of the realities begin, and they are against you ...