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Between life with a curse and death with a victory

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The events in the USA in the 60 of the 19 century and the events in the USSR in the late 80 of the 20 century are very similar. But why one could stop the partition of his Union, and the other could not?


It’s not in vain that these warriors gave their lives here;
our nation, by the will of God, must regenerate freedom,
and may the government of the people live forever
of the people
for the people.

A. Likoln. Performance in Gettysburg


95 years of formation of the USSR. 26 years of its section.

Most - 58% - regret the destruction of the USSR. And those who saw him - is less and less. And those who have not seen - all the more.
Most - 52% - believes that it could be saved.

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Between life with a curse and death with a victory


In March, 1991, 76% voted to preserve it. In December 1991, almost no one came to his defense. Almost no one came out and picked up weapondefending their homeland. True, many said: "Gorbachev's country is not my homeland: a terrible end is better than horror without end."

It is unlikely that they were right - but it was possible to understand them.

No one took a weapon - but no one tried to distribute it. No one came out - but no one called.

Everything was unexpected - but it was not the first time. stories: USSR faced the threat of partition through 72 of the year after the emergence of its statehood. The United States overtook a similar crisis in 74 years after their constitutional formation.

In one country, the president was Mikhail Gorbachev. In the other - Abraham Lincoln. Gorbachev, having betrayed and selling all that is possible, is still alive today. Lincoln - paid with his life for the victory.

14 April 1865, he was mortally wounded by a separatist fanatic, and 15 April 1865 passed away.

It would seem: "That we are Hekabe, that we are Hekabe ...". It was a long time. It was far away. In America we disliked ...

A few days before the assassination, 9 on April 1864, the army of southern separatists led by brilliant General Lee capitulated. The war for the integrity of the United States of America, as we call this country today, ended with the victory of the unionists, those who fought for the Union, as this country was called then by its defenders.

The war began almost immediately after the election of Lincoln to the presidency of the United States. It lasted from the spring of 1861 (February 6, the separatists declared their withdrawal from the Union) until April 1865 - four years - and ended a week before his death.

The war began 85 years after the American Revolution, when insurgents declared the overthrow of the power of English King George and 74 years after the adoption of the Constitution, that is, after the formation of the United States itself. War was a manifestation of a crisis of integrity: one of the five crises that usually accompany the formation of a nation.

Approximately the same historical period was required for another Union - the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republic - in order to go from its formation to its own crisis of integrity.

Only completed these crises in different ways. In the USSR, the leader of the country and its president was a certain M. Gorbachev, who built himself a monument in the form of a foundation of his own name in the center of Moscow - the former capital of the former Soviet Union. In America, the leader of the country and its president was Abraham Lincoln, who stands a monument with the inscription: "Savior of the Union."

M. Gorbachev was alive and shone with excellent health in 74, fourteen years after he deserted from the presidency and refused to fight for the unity of his country. Abraham Lincoln was killed six days after the victory, at the age of 56.

Gorbachev survived Lincoln for at least 18 years. And he is not ashamed. He didn’t even apologize. Maybe 18 years of their own lives are worth the country, maybe they are worth millions of extinct as a result of your policy, maybe they are worth the humiliation of three hundred million of their former fellow citizens?

The events in the USA in the 60 of the 19 century and the events in the USSR in the late 80 of the 20 century are very similar. And there, and there - a crisis of integrity. Both there and there - separatist movements. And there, and there - less than a hundred years of the existence of the country in this, which has been challenged, form.

That is why one could stop the partition of his Union, and the other could not?

You can talk a lot about different historical eras, about different stages of development, about a different economy ... But why could one, and the other could not?

Pay attention to some dates. 6 November 1860, the Lincoln was elected President.

Southerners said: “Let it be, what will be - maybe the Potomac River will become red with blood, and Pennsylvania Avenue will be covered with mutilated bodies ten sazhes high, let the last remnants of freedom be swept away from the American continent, but the South will never agree to such humiliation and such shame as the solemn introduction of Abraham Lincoln to the office of president. ”

4 February The 1861 delegates from Montgomery and Alabama established a provisional government, called the Confederation of American States. Jefferson Davis from Mississippi, and Alexander Steffens from Georgia as vice president, were elected president.

North Carolina and Arkansas joined the Confederation. In Tennessee, 105 thousand voted for secession against 47, in Virginia, from 103 thousand Voted 3: 1 voted to join the Confederation.

This was done precisely in response to the election of Lincoln. Precisely because he defeated their candidate. Five years ago, in the 1856 year, he warned: “Who is looking for separation: you or us? We, the majority, do not want division, but if you try to separate, we will not allow you. In our hands, a purse and a sword, an army and a navy, we manage the treasury - you are not able to separate. So, we will not divide the Union, and you will not dare to separate ".

February 11 Lincoln arrived in Washington. 4 March he took the oath. He said:

“... Until now, the split was only a threat to the Union. Now a serious attempt is being made to carry out this threat.

... In accordance with the universal law and the Constitution, I believe that the Union of our states will exist forever.

... No state, by its own prompting, can leave the Union ... and acts of violence within one of the states or several against the authority of the United States are ... rebellious.

... As far as I can, I will take all measures in accordance with the Constitution so that the laws of the Union are faithfully observed in all states.

... I hope that this will not be considered a threat, but only the declared intention of the Union to constitutionally defend and preserve its integrity.

... Our country, according to all regulations, belongs to the people who inhabit it. When the existing government annoys the people, it can use its constitutional right and improve it, or apply its revolutionary right to partially replace ministers, or even to overthrow it completely.

... In your hands, my disgruntled compatriots, and not in mine is the solution to the controversial issue of the civil war ... You did not swear to the sky that you would destroy the government, while I solemnly swore “to preserve, protect and defend it ".

And the process of state withdrawal from the Union ceased. Why?

Maybe just everyone who wanted to go out was already out? Not. And later, the states wanted to stand out. But did not stand out. Why?

Because in those states where such issues were intended to be brought up for discussion by the local Congress, Lincoln generals posed artillery batteries around the Congress buildings and warned that they would open fire after the decision to leave. And on the eve of voting, the most active deputies, supporters of the department, were simply arrested.

Here are excerpts from the chronicles of the first months of the war:

5 March-14 April 1861, the siege and seizure by the rebels of Sumter form in North Carolina.

14 April 1861 - the beginning of the Civil War.

15 April Lincoln announced the mobilization of 75 thousands of people. Support rallies are rolling across the country, immigrants from Europe form volunteer regiments - 4 Irish, German 4. The Italian Legion "Garibaldi Guard" is on alert.

A. Lincoln on the situation of the week: “An unreasonably large part of the muskets and rifles somehow got to the Southerners ... Officers of the federal army and fleet in huge numbers resigned; a significant number of them raised weapons against the US government. "

In Baltimore, the telegraph is seized by supporters of the branch. Washington is isolated by rebels from the northern states.

20 on April, according to A. Lincoln's plan, bailiffs raided all telegraph offices by the state of the North and seized the originals of all the sent ones and copies of all the telegrams received during the year.

Without asking Congressional consent, Lincoln spends millions of dollars from the US Treasury to hold emergency events.

"I had to decide whether I would allow the government to fall down immediately ... or use the broader powers that the Constitution will clothe the President in the event of insurrection, and try to save the government."

23 April 1861. Washington has no troops. Not even an arsenal is guarded. The streets are dead. Lincoln exclaims "Where are they?" Where are they? ”

24 April. Reinforcements did not fit. Dozens of sent scouts have not returned.

The 6-th Massachusetts regiment comes to the White House, the Hall of the Senate is turned into his bedroom.

April 25 The New York Regiment 7 enters Washington. Then teams arrive from Rhode Island and from Massachusetts. Railway workers volunteers restore the road to Annapolis destroyed by the rebels. Communication with the North is restored.

In Richmond and its surroundings, the army is concentrated in the 100 000 man, Lincoln in Washington has the 10 000.

3 May 1861 announces the mobilization of another 42 034 volunteer for the 3 year. Together with the recruited and remaining loyal units, the army increases to 156 861 man, fleet - to 25 thousands.

From the windows of the White House, Alexandria is visible through binoculars, captured by the rebels.

9 May 1861 g. In Washington is 20 thousands of troops.

In the spring of 1861, of the 1108 US officers, 387 joined the insurgency.

24 May begins construction of fortifications around the District of Columbia, surrounded by slaveholding states.

Colonel Ellsworth's detachment frees Alexandria.

March-May 1861. General Anderson's troops were deployed in Cincinnati to prevent the withdrawal of Kentucky.

Lieutenant Nelson is transporting 100 thousands of "Lincoln shotguns" to Kentucky, which are distributed among Union supporters.

24 April Baltimore votes for the exit of the state of Maryland from the Union.

13 May General Butler throws 1000 soldiers to Baltimore and sets guns on Federal Hill dominating Baltimore. An appeal has been published, warning that the troops will respect the laws of the Union.

25 May 1861 in Maryland begins arrests by military supporters of the branch. Chairman of the Supreme Court Taneby is trying to challenge the illegal arrests, the military ignore him. Taneby writes protest to Lincoln.

June 27 in Maryland arrested police chief George Kane, known for his commitment to the Confederates. Then arrests of other police officers begin.

In June, supporters of the Maryland branch were put down, Lincoln supporters were elected to Congress at gunpoint, Governor Hicks forms four regiments loyal to the Union.

4 July Lincoln wrote a response to the Chairman of the Supreme Court: “... It was considered appropriate to give the commander in chief the right to arrest and imprison, in appropriate cases ... customary public security threats, without following the usual legal procedure ... rather than allowing the destruction of all laws and the collapse of the government? ... It was established that we are dealing with a riot ... ... The Constitution does not say who should have such power. "

July 6 Secretary of War Cameron reports to Lincoln that the 64 Volunteer Regiment and a brigade of regular troops are in the vicinity of Washington. The total number of the army of the North brought to 225 thousands of people.

4 July 1861 is going to Congress. In a letter to him, Lincoln asked:

“Is the fatal weakness inevitable for any republic? ... Should the government be strong enough to protect the freedoms of its people, or so weak to not be able to protect themselves?” There is no other way to save the country ”apart from providing the government with all the military authorities..."

Under the roar of applause, Congress allocates 400 million dollars to Lincoln and gives authority to create an army of thousands of people at 400.

The Senate approves all presidential appointments. The new law on the army allows you to call on 400 000 volunteers. All extraordinary, sole and restrictive actions of the president, taken since the beginning of the war ...

Can one imagine that Gorbachev would act like that?

You can continue. So it was four years. Lincoln in critical situations on a dashboard tossed between the running regiments and turned them into battle.

Can you imagine Gorbachev like this?

Lincoln mobilized Congress officials to build barricades in Washington ...

Can one imagine Gorbachev, who has driven the Central Committee apparatus to build barricades?

When Union courts only tried to justify those who appeared before them on charges of refusing to fight as part of the allied forces, Lincoln said that such judges would be put in prison.

Can one imagine that Gorbachev would act like this?

Where Lincoln announced mobilization, Gorbachev gathered the session.

Where Lincoln built barricades, Gorbachev sought a consensus.

Where Lincoln sent the army into battle, Gorbachev addressed the messages.

By the standards of perestroika, Lincoln is not a great Democrat, but a mossy conservative, a Stalinist and a chauvinist. By the standards of Lincoln - Gorbachev is a common criminal.

But America stands and dictates its will to the whole world today. But the Soviet Union, alas, no.

So who is right?

Or maybe the fact is that Lincoln simply knew nothing about the “new political thinking”, but he knew that he was an American, the US president and his duty was to save the Union.

And Gorbachev, on the contrary, did not know anything about the laws of real politics, did not know that he had a duty to the country and the party, but he knew how sweet it was to hear the applause of Western audiences, he knew how nice it was to think about his role “The great reformer”, he knew how pleasant it is to bathe in vanity ...
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 30 December 2017 06: 09 New
    12
    Damn .. Even the mood before the holiday wilted at the mention of this ghoul ... Let's say something better.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 30 December 2017 06: 28 New
      12
      The parallel between the USA of the 19th century and the collapse of the USSR is drawn to the writer ..... And Gorbachev Gori in Hell
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 30 December 2017 09: 23 New
        +5
        Quote: Chertt
        The parallel between the USA of the 19th century and the collapse of the USSR is drawn to the writer ..... And Gorbachev Gori in Hell

        Hunchback set another goal ------, to please the spouse, but to unite the Germans !!!!!!!
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 30 December 2017 22: 57 New
          +6
          And this humpbacked traitor, “beast” Mishka Gorbachev, the Russian liberoid authorities will bury on Russian soil with great honors and a free memorial feast in the Kremlin with foreign guests - and all for our hard-earned money! At the national expense !!!
          Let those whom the Gorbachev served faithfully be buried in the West the Labeled Satanist!
          The time will come and all the traitors of the USSR / Russia will be picked out of the Russian land, and the ashes of Hunchback will be thrown across the border, so that even his spirit does not remain in Russia!
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 30 December 2017 10: 26 New
        +6
        Quote: Chertt
        The parallel between the USA of the 19th century and the collapse of the USSR is drawn to the writer ..... And Gorbachev Gori in Hell


        owls right
        in America in the 60s of the 19th century there were two intra-national forces. Puritan industrial north and agricultural south. the south fought for independence from the monopolies of international trade of the north. the south lost and the Puritans became masters. the result of this victory can be observed both in domestic and in international politics of the USA.
        in the USSR there was no intra-national struggle of strategic forces at the time of its collapse, there was only external pressure on the decomposed elite aimed at the collapse of the empire. which is what happened.
        the parallel is very weak
        1. dauria
          dauria 30 December 2017 13: 22 New
          +1
          in the USSR there was no intra-national struggle of strategic forces at the time of its collapse


          In my opinion, there are always "decay forces" in any country. This can be summarized as follows: "It is better to be the head of a fly than the ass of an elephant." The question is balance. Can a strong center keep the "specific princes" in check - there will be a single country. No, there will be smaller countries. If they are able to defend themselves from other "unifiers." They unite for a reason - always by force (not necessarily comes to weapons, sometimes there are enough gingerbread cookies). And the very concept of "country" is vague. Is Estonia a country? It seems to be. But in fact - a vassal.
      3. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 30 December 2017 16: 03 New
        +9
        The USSR Education Treaty was signed on December 29, 1922, and on December 30, 1922 the All-Union Congress of Soviets approved it. The RSFSR and the previously separated Ukrainian SSR (USSR), Belorussian SSR (BSSR) and the Transcaucasian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic (ZSFSR) merged into the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR)
    2. Dalailama
      Dalailama 30 December 2017 08: 01 New
      0
      Isn't it a bigger holiday today? The 100th anniversary of this will already look wrong.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 30 December 2017 20: 07 New
      +1
      Now, after the hunchback of the foundation, officially Yeltsin is the center. What has changed then? belay
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 30 December 2017 23: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        Now, after the hunchback of the foundation, officially Yeltsin is the center. What has changed then?

        The attitude of the people has changed. If earlier the people believed that it was possible to live in peace with the West and went after Gorbaty and EBN, now the people understood what a dead end he had been led to and that he was clearly not in the way with the West. And the activities of each politician, unlike the authorities, are evaluated by the people in their own way.
    4. Prosha
      Prosha 30 December 2017 22: 55 New
      +2
      I absolutely agree with you - the less this name is mentioned, the faster they will forget and forget this abomination!
  2. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 30 December 2017 07: 19 New
    +4
    ((That's why one was able to stop the division of his Union, and the other could not?))
    Liberasty, sir!
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 30 December 2017 07: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Liberasty, sir!

      And Russian do not care!
    2. 210ox
      210ox 30 December 2017 07: 31 New
      +3
      Traitors! .... sir! (However for sirs he is not a traitor ..) am
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      ((That's why one was able to stop the division of his Union, and the other could not?))
      Liberasty, sir!
    3. captain
      captain 30 December 2017 10: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      ((That's why one was able to stop the division of his Union, and the other could not?))
      Liberasty, sir!

      Nooo, the communist-internationalists are "comrade". The dream of the milkmaids came true; son of a combiner, began to lead the state. The true Leninist Gorbachev fulfilled Ilyich’s dream and made the Russian people ("der ... Jimord" according to Ilyich) pay for "great-power chauvinism." Red-flag rejoice.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 30 December 2017 11: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: captain
        The true Leninist Gorbachev fulfilled Ilyich’s dream and made the Russian people ("der ... Jimord" according to Ilyich) pay for "great-power chauvinism."

        Are you serious ? belay How simple it is for you! "Switchman" immediately found! negative
      2. Prosha
        Prosha 30 December 2017 23: 01 New
        +4
        Communist internationalists, for the sake of justice, broke Hitler’s ridge and launched a man into space ... And this is one of those who bought up everything valuable from the starving Leningraders during the blockade ...
      3. BecmepH
        BecmepH 9 January 2018 10: 07 New
        0
        Quote: captain
        Red-flag rejoice.

        For the red flags of the wolves were driven ...
  3. cannabis
    cannabis 30 December 2017 07: 38 New
    +2
    Communist power has destroyed itself. Having destroyed the national aristocracy, the country lost its nobility, conscience and honor - the immunity of independence. It always happens when plebeians come to power.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 30 December 2017 08: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: cunning
      It always happens when plebeians come to power.

      what How true you said your excellency count Konoprav
      Only the question arises, Your Excellency, in March of the 1917, were there also plebeians in power?
      Quote: cunning
      Communist government ruined itself

      Hmm .... but here you are right !!!
      Quote: cunning
      the country has lost its nobility, conscience and honor

      what Did you live in the USSR?
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 30 December 2017 08: 12 New
        +1
        Born during the life of Stalin. Experience in the CPSU - 20 years.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 30 December 2017 09: 09 New
          +8
          Well, if you were born during the life of Stalin, you probably should know that some of its leaders and not the people lost their conscience and honor!
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 30 December 2017 09: 31 New
            +7
            So such cannibals climbed into the CPSU, and they themselves suffered and cried into the pillow: "ah, there is no honor and conscience and nobility !!!!! ah! Ah! Not one hunchback wanted to destroy the USSR.
            1. Alena Frolovna
              Alena Frolovna 30 December 2017 10: 41 New
              +2
              Born during the life of Stalin


              Hymn of the Soviet Union

              In the electric train half asleep
              Under the wheel knock and ringing
              Little one funny
              Unfolded the accordion.

              And of course, not without falsity,
              But in all the heat of mind
              Waltzes sounded, marches -
              Long days repertoire.

              Fingers ran obediently
              He played, played, played ...
              Someone was sleeping, while someone was listening,
              Someone listened and dozed.

              And, instantly recognized by everyone,
              Suddenly from Leta returned
              Hymn of the Soviet Union
              Thundered on the whole car.

              Thundered and even the train
              He flinched sharply at that moment.
              And looked, as I recovered
              People on themselves.

              And the car creaked rocked
              Barely audible at first
              About the great and mighty
              In the loud music of the word.

              She responded with sweet pain
              That lost past
              Where the country was a country
              And the people were the people.

              Where the dawn rose, the dawn
              The color of the banners was victorious.
              Then the last chord took off,
              And the accordion fell silent ...

              Counter trains raced
              The lights in the distance lit up.
              In the ruins of the Power
              The train went to another life
              Igor Lyapin
            2. cannabis
              cannabis 30 December 2017 13: 36 New
              +2
              What a familiar turn of speech! As if at a party meeting visited. These are the reptilians who led the party!
              1. Pancir026
                Pancir026 3 January 2018 23: 28 New
                0
                Quote: cunning
                These are the reptilians who led the party!

                mdya .. of course there were enough of them .. but with this what will we do?
                The economy is storming, the state ship is struggling with the waves and passengers are rocking. The actions of the team on the bridge cause a lot of questions for those who are free from shift. Those who are in the engine room are busy with hands, and the problems of those in the cockpits, cabins and the galley do not bother them. Their task is to maintain fuel pressure and oil temperature, monitor electrical equipment, prevent loss of stroke and respond to commands from the bridge in time.

                And in the meantime, a riot ripens on the ship. The boatswain gathers dissatisfied and discuss the situation. She is really heavy. The deck crew complains about loose rigging and talks about the destruction. Voices are heard accusing the captain that he is not walking with his nose in the wind, but with the side. Does not listen to crew advice. They offer to change the steering and change the start-up. The second assistant is suspected of inability to work with cards. And in general, they consider the captain to have lost control of the situation. https://narod-novosti.com/mneniya-i-analitika/?p=
                vnutripoliticheskij-shtorm-pri-kotorom-putin-idyo
                t-na-vyiboryi & page = 1 & utm_source = finob
                zor.ru
            3. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 30 December 2017 23: 54 New
              +7
              Quote: Reptiloid
              So such cannibals climbed into the CPSU, and they themselves suffered and cried into the pillow: "ah, there is no honor and conscience and nobility !!!!! ah! Ah! Not one hunchback wanted to destroy the USSR.

              Quote: cunning
              It always happens when plebeians come to power.

          2. cannabis
            cannabis 30 December 2017 13: 32 New
            +2
            We talked about power (CPSU), people were not mentioned. If about the people, then a tribute in the form of contributions of 200 million rubles was collected monthly from the people (members of the CPSU). This is about 2,5 billion a year. Well, where is the money from those oligarchs that our former secretaries, Komsomolists and officials from the Central Committee have become?
    2. Prosha
      Prosha 30 December 2017 23: 02 New
      +4
      I just from plebeians and from all my plebeian nature would go to you in physics, for these words. So, for the sake of prevention, for growing up.
      1. Colonel MO
        Colonel MO 31 December 2017 00: 00 New
        +3
        It’s about his penny for 20 years in the party paid in the form of contributions that suffers. A vivid example of a deserter and a traitor.
        1. cannabis
          cannabis 31 December 2017 07: 56 New
          0
          In, another voice from Merikan. How many bullies in this village! Damn, all thoughts are only about money! Primitives ......
      2. cannabis
        cannabis 31 December 2017 07: 53 New
        0
        You can see from the plebeians of the new generation, who, due to lack of intelligence and education, just do what they run with bits, chat on the phone and hold the gun with both hands. Advice, when you beat the face, then stay away. About 40 years ago, as a company commander, I broke a thrown brick. The skill is not lost.
        1. Prosha
          Prosha 31 December 2017 14: 25 New
          +3
          It is evident that wisdom passed you by! The opposite advice, be quiet louder, may be taken for smart! I have the honor! Although what an honor, we have plebeians ...
  4. Brigadier
    Brigadier 30 December 2017 08: 51 New
    +2
    As soon as I remember or see on TV this labeled P-A-D-A-L-L, the hand automatically starts looking for the AX!
  5. bandabas
    bandabas 30 December 2017 09: 58 New
    +2
    Well yes. The progressive type oligarchs-northerners won. And he’s going around now. By the way, the blacks did not get any gingerbread from this, and they began to live worse.
  6. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 30 December 2017 10: 23 New
    +4
    I just can’t understand why Mishka still hasn’t come under the tribunal. In normal countries, for the collapse of his own country and for conspiracy with amers, he is supposed to be shot. Plus, confiscation of all property
    1. captain
      captain 30 December 2017 10: 48 New
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      Quote: Tolik_74
      I just can’t understand why Mishka still hasn’t come under the tribunal. In normal countries, for the collapse of his own country and for conspiracy with amers, he is supposed to be shot. Plus, confiscation of all property

      Dear Tolik_74. The internationalist communists (real) do not have a homeland and they do not plant their own.
  7. sevtrash
    sevtrash 30 December 2017 10: 58 New
    +1
    Gorbachev is a product of the system. The power system of the USSR and its "transfer / choice", to which Stalin had a hand in particular, turned out to be ultimately ineffective. Khrushchev, Brezhnev, ..., Gorbachev ... So it all began / continued / continues earlier. For the most part, Russia is not lucky with power.
  8. AKC
    AKC 30 December 2017 11: 16 New
    +2
    his duty is to save the Union Why and for what purpose to reanimate a corpse that began to decompose? And do not compare the United States and the USSR. In the USA (I speak in simplified terms) for the happiness of their inhabitants, the Indians were robbed and destroyed. and in the USSR, for the happiness of the Indians (republics), Russians were robbed and killed!
  9. San Sanych
    San Sanych 30 December 2017 13: 18 New
    +4
    Lincoln was indeed a politician and a great statesman, who first of all cared about the well-being and greatness of his country, and Gorbachev, by his psychology, was a petty philistine and philistine, moreover, henpecked, greedy for flattery, like a fly to an unpleasant substance.
  10. Altona
    Altona 30 December 2017 13: 28 New
    +2
    Today, by the way, 95 years since the formation of the USSR. And the Russian Federation is its full successor. As for the article, it says that nowhere is there a full-fledged democracy, there is only the struggle of influence groups within the state, which is hiding behind a heap of a sheet of democracy. As for the collapse, many factors played a role here. While still formally within the USSR, the so-called elites lumpenized most of the proletariat, deprived it of a normal human existence through commodity hunger and hypocrisy, when propaganda had ceased to reflect reality. The conservative elite of the CPSU was simply in a stupor, the liberal acted more and more brazenly. The people were law-abiding, naive or indifferent, therefore, so easily reconciled. People simply had to fight for survival. Today the situation has changed. Together with the abundance of goods, we are invited to renounce national identity and integrate into the friendly choir of universal people. True, we must ruin Russia and live in an Anglo-Saxon concentration camp. The images of this concentration camp are already drawn to us by the International Olympic Committee and the banking community, which requires universal biometrics, which will be done by banks, not the state, and then disposed of at their own discretion.
  11. iouris
    iouris 30 December 2017 14: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: “But Gorbachev, on the contrary, did not know anything about the laws of real politics.” End of quote.
    If the author thinks SO, then he is a naive simpleton and then he should not even tackle this topic at all. If he deliberately whitewashes Gorbi, then he covers the betrayal and thereby creates the conditions for new betrayals.
    Gorby betrayed the ideals of communism, the CPSU, the USSR, the allies of the USSR, created the conditions for counter-revolution and the unfolding of a civil war in the USSR. History does not know examples of betrayals of this magnitude. The "successors" were afraid to establish these circumstances in court.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 31 December 2017 00: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      Quote: “But Gorbachev, on the contrary, did not know anything about the laws of real politics.” End of quote. If the author thinks SO, then he is a naive simpleton and then he should not even take up this topic. If he deliberately whitewashes Gorbi, then he covers the betrayal and thereby creates the conditions for new betrayals. Gorby betrayed the ideals of communism, the CPSU, the USSR, the allies of the USSR, created the conditions for counter-revolution and the unfolding of a civil war in the USSR. History does not know examples of betrayals of this magnitude. The "successors" were afraid to establish these circumstances in court.
      He knew everything, moreover, he was engaged in the destruction of the USSR consciously, for which he was kindly treated in the West, where he spends most of his life in anticipation of God's judgment.
  12. akm8226
    akm8226 30 December 2017 14: 54 New
    +1
    All with the coming! And about the hunchback ... when he dies there will be no grave for him in his homeland. It's like giving a drink. Let it suffer in a foreign land. The very one for which he betrayed his country.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 2 January 2018 00: 43 New
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      Here the question is where is his homeland and is there such a homeland at all?
  13. Viktorbalovnev
    Viktorbalovnev 30 December 2017 17: 20 New
    +1
    This article should be given to read to our "Olympians".
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 December 2017 18: 08 New
      +5
      They are now not Olympians, but gastro-baiters in sports.
  14. Dedall
    Dedall 30 December 2017 18: 22 New
    +2
    One can only regret that the USSR never developed a system of social elevators and a selection mechanism in the existing elites. After all, this same Gorbachev is a classic carrier of slave syndrome, who wanted to ensure a comfortable life for himself and his family. Neither honor nor conscience are merely grabbing-raking reflexes. As for the United States, there is one army access mechanism. Almost all the presidents of recent decades have been with a military past. But in the elites, who have deep desires, only the most stupid people are involved in politics.
  15. RoTTor
    RoTTor 30 December 2017 22: 13 New
    +5
    In my opinion, the main causes of the death of the USSR:
    1. a complete halt to the development of the theory of Marxism, which is impossible and contraindicated for dialectics, after the departure of I.V. STALIN.
    2. a failed and criminal personnel policy after the departure of I.V. STALIN, which began with a kak-ruznik, for example, equating fascist accomplices to those who were captured in battle.
    In 1941, there were ten times fewer Communists in the CPSU (b) than in 1991 there were members with party cards. But the questionnaire slime-dogs and the Fprisees occupied all the leading posts in the party, therefore there was not a single partisan detachment, not a single underground district committee, and the rotten cadres immediately became national traitors.
    Ukraine, where there was the largest and most reactionary republican party organization, but led by pathological traitors like the gendarme son of Kravchuk, is a clear example.
    You weed a bed of weeds in the country. And now everyone understands why they needed personnel cleanings from marizi and fell?
    The theme is immense. I will end with two quotes;
    “Any weakening of our ideology means strengthening an ideology hostile”
    "FRAMES RESOLVE EVERYTHING!"
    Do not forget?
    Everything goes in a spiral, our great powerful beloved country will rise, albeit under a different name, in a different composition, but will be reborn! Because what is behind her is truth and justice!
    The main thing - then do not repeat the mistakes!
    1. kush62
      kush62 2 January 2018 16: 15 New
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      RoTTor December 30, 2017 22:13 PM
      In 1941, there were ten times fewer Communists in the CPSU (b) than in 1991 there were members with party cards. But the questionnaire slime-dogs and the Fprisees occupied all the leading posts in the party, therefore there was not a single partisan detachment, not a single underground district committee, and the rotten cadres immediately became national traitors.

      This is clear to everyone. But who accepted them there, who gave recommendations, who vouched for them? Ever and demand. When joining the party is used as a step for the career ladder, such results are obtained. Many who are now united, were in the Communist Party yesterday, tomorrow they will quickly transfer to another victorious party. So hard to tear yourself away from the feeder.
  16. Prosha
    Prosha 30 December 2017 23: 50 New
    +2

    Here it is the true essence
  17. pavelpavel
    pavelpavel 1 January 2018 16: 55 New
    +1
    "There was a fool to become a district committee secretary!" Neither Gorbachev is terrible, those who give birth to them today are terrible. How many managers, not functionaries - managers in the Cabinet of Ministers? Maybe the head of the Cabinet? Who meets the job requirements? Where were everyone when the Head of the Bank legalized lawlessness?
  18. Celt
    Celt 1 January 2018 17: 38 New
    +1
    on the first channel there was a show with a lie detector, the former Chekist said bluntly that Yakovlev was recruited by the British, there are official documents in the archive, here he, his companion and Raisa pressed on the hump ... if there is a possibility to google ... very much interesting))
  19. 1536
    1536 1 January 2018 20: 58 New
    0
    When an American sees recalls of Lincoln, then thinks of the future.
    When we recall Gorbachev, we think about the past.
    It is impossible to admit to power those who, being poor in spirit, are trying to steal from the people everything that can be stolen, even their country, their homeland. Nevertheless, let us recall how at first they rejoiced at the “young general secretary of the CPSU Central Committee” coming to power, speaking without a piece of paper, how millions of women wanted to imitate his wife. It was then that we already learned what was actually happening then, as for diamonds and flowers these ghouls betrayed each of us.
    Do not make yourself an idol, says ancient wisdom!
    And the so-called "communists" discredited themselves and did not even apologize to the people.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 January 2018 15: 10 New
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      Quote: 1536
      Those who are poor in spirit should not be allowed to power

      Quote: "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for they will gain the kingdom of heaven." The end of the quote.
      You have no idea who is power, how it is "admitted" to power and how power works, so I propose to limit myself to considering the personal matter of the so-called Gorbi.
      Quote: 1536
      And the so-called "communists" discredited themselves and did not even apologize to the people.

      Here you are wrong, Yeltsin, for example, apologized. Do you have leche?
  20. badens1111
    badens1111 1 January 2018 21: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: 1536
    And the so-called "communists" discredited themselves and did not even apologize to the people.

    Ask them, start with Yeltsin and Gorbachev, and then do not close your eyes to many others. Having thrown off party cards, you turned out to be oligarchs now, what kind of communists are they and how will they repent before you
  21. Klaus
    Klaus 3 January 2018 23: 09 New
    +1
    For the author’s information, the events in the Russian Federation in 2017 overshadow all his historical “passages” here. .Satellites are lying in batches, industry leaders have phony dissertations ... The presidential campaign is actually going on, mind you, at US in the country! And the editors tell us everything about Honduras ... you and I are at a difficult hour! The amateurish approach ... Bitter and vile
    1. White and fluffy
      White and fluffy 6 January 2018 06: 07 New
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      How is an exorbitant concentration of power combined with utter irresponsibility! ??
  22. vodkinmotors1
    vodkinmotors1 6 January 2018 15: 29 New
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    Presidents are elected by the people. Who chose the hunchback and putimon? belay