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Christmas at the front ...


Memories of soldiers and officers of the Russian army on the fronts of the First World War contain responses that even in the conditions of front-line life, soldiers did not forget about this Holy Feast.

We tried to find an opportunity and get a forest spruce or at least a few fir branches - and, setting them in a dugout or in a dugout, move closer to a peaceful atmosphere and plunge into the atmosphere of the Holiday.


Christmas tree in the dugout. 1916 year. Pictures of war. M., 1917

Moreover, even a stay in the territory of an enemy state did not in any way affect this tradition. As we see below - in the picture of a cavalry officer - a participant in a campaign in East Prussia. The autumn (Second) campaign in East Prussia 1914 ended successfully, and the troops of the North-Western Front met their first military Christmas in Germany.


Lisovsky M. Silhouettes of War. 1914 - 1915. Drawings of the participant. Album 2. Pg., 1916

And the holiday trees were installed not only in the officers dugouts or dugouts. In the photo below we see the soldier's tree.


Pictures of war. M., 1917

But the tragic vicissitudes of the war could have made Christmas morning the same as in the illustration below - and then the Russian heroes would sleep forever surrounded by mighty spruce trees and pines.


Chronicle of the war 1914 of the year. No. 19.

Christmas prayer could be held both in the temple and in the position.


Regimental Church. Pictures of war. M., 1917


At the church. Pictures of war. M., 1917


Christmas prayer on the position. Fig. Hood N. Petrova. Annals of the 14 War of the Year No. 19.

Russian soldiers and officers, if possible, rested on this holy day.


Pictures of war. M., 1917

And the interesting custom was the "Christmas divination". So, in the photo below, the soldiers in positions "for happiness" wonders parrot.


Niva. 1914. No. 51.

And on the next photo “soldier's happiness” pulls out a dove.


The great war in the images and paintings. Issue 5. M., 1915.

And, of course, an important element of the celebration were Christmas presents - and the fighters were waiting for them with impatience: from relatives and close friends, public organizations and individuals.


Great struggle of nations. Issue 4. M., 1915.



Distribution of gifts to soldiers. Pictures of war. M., 1917


Parsing Christmas gifts in positions. Fig. Hood N. Petrova. Annals of the 14 War of the Year No. 19.

All this made it possible to at least a little forget about the severity of the war, to touch the mysteries of one of the greatest Christian holidays and to feel a little happier.

And in conclusion, we present (in the original) the lines of the beautiful poem by Sergei Mikheev, which was published in Niva (1914. No. 51. C. 996.) And devoted to the threshold of the Nativity of Christ - Christmas Eve.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 7 January 2018 06: 54 New
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    Torn off Russian peasants from their families ... their home ... did they really need this bourgeois war to redistribute the world.
    The soldier, after all the horrors of war, least of all wants to fight and die.
    1. populist
      populist 7 January 2018 07: 04 New
      14

      Same lech
      Torn off Russian peasants from their families ... their home ... did this war really need the bourgeoisie to redistribute the world.

      Orthodox believers declined in the army to 10% as soon as the interim government freed the soldiers from the church bond in 1917. Here is such a perdimonocle happened. wassat It turns out that faith was not needed. what
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 7 January 2018 09: 19 New
        +6
        There has never been an obligation, it’s not for you to scrub Lenin’s room.
        1. populist
          populist 7 January 2018 13: 07 New
          +8

          Dalailama
          There has never been an obligation, it’s not for you to scrub Lenin’s room.

          In the Leninist room I read Lenin (there was a collection of essays) and “The Ideology of Spiritual Suppression” (B.N. Bessonov; Academic Social Sciences under the Central Committee of the CPSU. Department of Marxist-Leninist Philosophy. - M.: Thought, 1971.) In this the book told how people spin their brains, fool to believe in different rubbish.
          And about the obligation in the “Code of Punishment” there was a special section - “Crimes against Faith”, which provided for such punishments as a reference to eternal settlement, hard labor for up to 8 years, etc. hi
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 7 January 2018 14: 11 New
            +6
            This is probably why there was a maxim machine gun, which was emasculated, and then the spun people would suddenly disbelieve.
            Failure to attend church services did not fall under these crimes.
            1. populist
              populist 7 January 2018 14: 32 New
              +5
              as soon as the interim government freed the soldiers from the church obligation in 1917

              They discharged from the faithful as soon as the possibility of punishment fell away. Moreover, this is an indicator of disbelief. If you believe, then why check out from believers.
              1. Dalailama
                Dalailama 7 January 2018 14: 43 New
                +3
                Did you put the painting somewhere? There was no punishment.
          2. verner1967
            verner1967 8 January 2018 13: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: populist
            And about the obligation in the “Code of Punishments” there was a special section - “Crimes against Faith”, which provided for such punishments

            Under the communists, it was also the 58th in the Criminal Code, which provided for punishment for renunciation of faith ... communist
            Quote: populist
            where such penalties were provided

            that mom do not cry
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 9 January 2018 00: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: verner1967
              Under the communists, it was also the 58th in the Criminal Code, which provided for punishment for renunciation of faith ... communist

              Check in which, in 58 it was approx -1, prim - 2, etc.
              1. Dalailama
                Dalailama 9 January 2018 06: 46 New
                +1
                58-well, it was not for nothing called that, Kerensky your very love to dress in a woman’s dress.
              2. verner1967
                verner1967 9 January 2018 20: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Green
                Check which

                58-11 - 58 14-
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 10 January 2018 02: 58 New
                  +1
                  verner1967 January 8, 2018 13:43 that

                  Under the Communists, it was also the 58th in the Criminal Code, which provided punishment for renunciation of faith ... communist

                  I suggested clarifying; in which part of it, because in the 58th there were many sub-articles marked "prim."

                  The first to respond Dalailama Yesterday, 06: 46
                  58-well, it was not for nothing called that, Kerensky your very love to dress in a woman’s dress.

                  Either he was joking, or he sees poorly, I did not find such an article in the Criminal Code.

                  Then verner1967 Yesterday, 20:42 specified

                  58-11 - 58 14-

                  But gentlemen, you can’t catch up with something, where you saw in the 58th article of the Criminal Code punishment for renunciation of faith ... communist
                  • 58-11. Any kind of organizational activity aimed at preparing or committing counterrevolutionary crimes provided for in this chapter is equated to committing such crimes and is prosecuted by the criminal code under the relevant articles.
                  • 58-14. Counter-revolutionary sabotage, that is, the deliberate non-fulfillment by someone of certain duties or their deliberately careless performance with the special purpose of weakening the power of the government and the activities of the state apparatus, entails imprisonment for a term of not less than one year, with the confiscation of all or part of the property, with an increase, under especially aggravating circumstances, up to execution with confiscation.

                  Gentlemen, if you can’t lie at all, then at least do not lie.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 10 January 2018 19: 58 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Gentlemen, if you can’t lie at all, then at least do not lie.

                    if you can’t read, then don’t show it
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 10 January 2018 23: 21 New
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                      Quote: verner1967
                      if you can’t read, then don’t show it

                      Dear, please quote us, illiterate, where you are in Art. 58 Criminal Code found "the punishment for renouncing the faith ... communist"
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 11 January 2018 17: 40 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        where are you in st. 58 of the Criminal Code found "punishment for renunciation of faith ... communist"

                        for the illiterate: all four articles stipulate punishment for counter-revolutionary crimes, the struggle against the revolutionary movement, counter-revolutionary sabotage, i.e. action against the existing communist regime
                      2. verner1967
                        verner1967 11 January 2018 17: 42 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        please quote us illiterate

                        I forgot that the main ideological article 58-10, well, pure ideology.
                    2. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 11 January 2018 03: 56 New
                      +1
                      Why should he be able to read if he can write?
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 11 January 2018 17: 40 New
                        +1
                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        Why should he be able to read if he can write?

                        see if he can think
      2. iouris
        iouris 7 January 2018 13: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: populist
        It turns out that faith was not needed.

        Man cannot help but believe. Please specify, did not need faith in what?
        Have you read Crime and Punishment? And how do you understand the idea of ​​F.M. Dostoevsky: "And if there is no God, then everything is permitted"?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 7 January 2018 13: 59 New
          +9
          Quote: iouris
          Man cannot help but believe

          I don’t believe it.
          I am not a man, therefore?
          Drive, dear ...
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 8 January 2018 13: 53 New
            +3
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I don’t believe it.

            you are cunning, as the character of the film “Watch Out for the Car” said: “Some people believe that there is God, others that God does not exist.” You also believe in something, there are a lot of ideas to choose from "communist", "Russian" ... in the "bright future", finally)))
        2. populist
          populist 7 January 2018 14: 12 New
          +4

          iouris
          Man cannot help but believe.

          In the USSR, almost everyone did not believe in gods. Now in Russia, tens of ml of unbelievers. In China, 1 billion is not believed. people
          Have you read Crime and Punishment? And how do you understand the idea of ​​F.M. Dostoevsky: "And if there is no God, then everything is permitted"?

          Dostoevsky read almost everything, including Crime and Punishment.
          Dostoevsky was mistaken. Everything was not permitted either in the USSR, or now in the PRC.
          Have you read the Kreutzer Sonata? There, the great Lev Nikolaevich wrote such crap. And outstanding (great) people are mistaken.
          1. iouris
            iouris 7 January 2018 14: 15 New
            +3
            Quote: populist
            Dostoevsky read almost everything

            And the "Demons"?
            1. populist
              populist 7 January 2018 14: 26 New
              +4
              No, the "Demons" did not reach the Great Pentateuch. The Brothers Karamazov pained a religious bias, especially about the elders ... Maybe I will read more. Works of art have a time frame, both historical and human.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 7 January 2018 14: 19 New
            +9
            Quote: populist
            I ask Dostoevsky. Everything was not permitted either in the USSR, or now in the PRC.
            Have you read the Kreutzer Sonata? There, the great Lev Nikolaevich wrote such crap. And outstanding (great) people are mistaken.

            Error criteria, where?
            Maybe you are wrong!
            1. populist
              populist 7 January 2018 14: 55 New
              +3
              Error criteria, where?
              Maybe you are wrong!

              A criterion for error in practice. Everything was not permitted either in the USSR or now in the PRC. And yet everything was not allowed 3000 years ago.
          3. RUSS
            RUSS 8 January 2018 11: 11 New
            +5
            Quote: populist
            . In China, 1 billion is not believed. people

            The CCP would like it, but did you know that in China the number of Catholics is growing at a tremendous pace, and now China is in the lead in the number of parishioners of the Catholic Church.
    2. Dalailama
      Dalailama 7 January 2018 07: 07 New
      +6
      Are you talking about 1941 or about 1914 when Russia at least bothered to declare war?
      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 7 January 2018 08: 35 New
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        DalaiLama Today, 07:07 ↑ New
        Are you talking about 1941 or about 1914 when Russia at least bothered to declare war?
        Ta wi sho? In 1914, Russia may have declared war, only Russia entered the war itself, so to speak, of its own accord, thanks to Tsar Hoopoe. And by the way, the war was declared to us upon the fact of our mobilization, that is, it doesn’t matter whether or not it was declared to us, we got involved in it anyway earlier. As far as I remember, in 1941, although we were preparing for the war, we were not in a hurry to join it!
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 7 January 2018 09: 02 New
          +5
          But why did they come to the war in 1941 when Hitler was in a hurry, or is Stalin now to blame?
          They do not understand that if a war is declared, then it is already underway. In fact, Germany, who later got mad at your revolution, mobilized herself, and her ally mobilized and attacked Russia's ally. Switzerland stood mobilized throughout the war, so no one declared it to her.
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 7 January 2018 10: 43 New
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            But who needs that Switzerland? Who the hell fell Luxembourg? Russia has always interfered with everything, and its territory, and its resources, and its rebellious spirit, which always goes apart with Western "values."
            No need to compare the hell with a finger.
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 7 January 2018 10: 47 New
              +5
              Massena and Alexander Suvorov, for example.
              So you are busy with it. Luxembourg was also needed both times.
        2. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 7 January 2018 13: 03 New
          +7
          Wilhelm wanted the colonies too much, Georg and Raymond wanted too much to beat William, Franz too wanted to appropriate the Balkans, and Nikolai did not want to give ally to Franz too. Such contradictions are resolved only by massacre.
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 7 January 2018 14: 14 New
            +4
            There is still the option that the Russians were not up to the pit for the slaughter of Germans and Magyars of related Serbs. Other nationalities were not required to serve.
        3. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 7 January 2018 14: 08 New
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          Quote: Varyag_0711
          And by the way, the war was declared to us after our mobilization, that is, it doesn’t matter whether or not it was declared to us,

          I can’t understand anything in any way: why do most of the people who love the USSR have a manic craving for accusing Russia at the beginning of the WWII? Wilhelm, I remember, also tried to blame everything on the Russians.
          Dear Sir, You would have taught a history before blaming your Homeland indiscriminately. Russia announced mobilization after Austria-Hungary, which began to concentrate troops on our border. Only a complete madman could ignore this threat and sit still without starting a retaliatory mobilization. Nicholas II is not a semi-illiterate semi-seminary for you, and so the Tsar did not leave the country unprotected in the face of a clear threat. Unlike.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 7 January 2018 14: 45 New
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            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            You would, before blaming your Motherland indiscriminately, you would have taught history. Russia announced mobilization after Austria-Hungary, which began to concentrate troops on our border. Only a complete madman could ignore this threat and sit still without starting a retaliatory mobilization. Nicholas II is not a semi-illiterate semi-seminary for you, and so the Tsar did not leave the country unprotected in the face of a clear threat. Unlike.

            It’s useless, Lieutenant! For them, the catastrophe of 1941 is the norm, and the prevention of the enemy on the territory of indigenous Russia in 1914-17 is perplexity. fool
            Schlieffen’s plan, which long before August determined the attack on Russia, they DO NOT recognize (often they don’t know), the statements of the Chancellor and Moltke (May 1914) about the last chance to defeat Russia in 1914 (then it will be impossible) will not be taken.
            They do not know that the situation in 1914 has already been since 1909 (the readiness of Germany and Austria for war) and only thanks to the efforts of Russia-WWI did not break out earlier.
            They don’t know that Germany had three days to mobilize, Russia-30 days and the non-announcement of mobilization meant a catastrophe of the 1941 model.
            God be with them.
            Merry Christmas to you! hi
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 7 January 2018 16: 05 New
            +5
            Are you a lieutenant from Yegor Yakovlev sick? After all, the historian cites the facts of slaughter, and you, all, as a wound up, RI, hooligans deprived of innocence. RI, this is the same imperialist predator, only with rotten teeth in the form of those problems that others have solved before.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 7 January 2018 16: 43 New
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              Predator, speak? Then what do you say about this card:
              Anyway, how much you need to hate your homeland to be called some kind of “predator”.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 7 January 2018 17: 05 New
                +5
                Oh, don’t do it, lieutenant, you’re not an adolescent What is wrong with the word predator? Have you heard anything about the suppression of national uprisings in the Republic of Ingushetia? And how did some Siberian peoples join, where, for example, are diamonds mined now or the estate of Abramovich? Have you heard anything about the Khakasses? Do not build an 80 level elf from yourself. With your outlook then, as it turns out.
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 7 January 2018 17: 37 New
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                  Quote: avva2012
                  What is wrong with the word predator?

                  Nothing but the accusatory connotation in which you used this word. Or will you say that the Marxist ideology of "imperialist predator" is not a derogatory characteristic of the state?
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 7 January 2018 18: 16 New
                    +4
                    It depends on which state. If you know Marxism so well, then you understand that this ideology is against exploitation. Do you like being exploited? Only without sophistry.
                    And, by the way, no humiliation, only a statement of fact. Robbery, there is robbery, as you do not call it.
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 7 January 2018 18: 28 New
                      +5
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Robbery, there is robbery, as you do not call it.

                      This is the norm of life of the teters.
                      And you can not convince of the opposite, the carriers of the roasting virus, in the name of your beloved.
                      Another question is that so many of those who descended from those who, until 17 in the crib, had eaten up what was left for the cattle of the landowner, forgot this. The third was called fist miroedami.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 7 January 2018 18: 57 New
                        +5
                        Vlad, I’m Teterin and I’m not going to convince. Like him me, too. This is a discussion in order to understand exactly what you are talking about.
                        If, suddenly, someone is not interested in cliches, but wants to understand why such as Teteren, workers and peasants sent Duhonin to the division, why, they built in 25 years, the second state of the world, then this is not just chatter on the net. So, thanks to the Lieutenant, he did everything he could.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 8 January 2018 06: 50 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Pancir026

                        Another question is that so many of those who descended from those who, until 17 in the crib, had eaten up what was left for the cattle of the landowner, forgot this. The third was called fist miroedami.
                        But who needs these merchants? Take it higher! Many of them, mentioned by you, suddenly decided to take an example from the noblemen in everyday life and at the same time hint at their noble origin. Malice makes out to look. Good morning, Vlad, Alexander! Climbed up to you ---- call pozhalsta !!!!!! Thus, the history of the country is copied within yourself. And what will it be? Wacky alternative story, some kind of fantasy and the Dark Ages as a result?
                    2. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 8 January 2018 11: 01 New
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                      Quote: avva2012
                      This ideology is against exploitation. Do you like being exploited? Only without sophistry.

                      You are a funny person. You demand that your opponent not use sophistry, although you yourself are actively using it. Marxism is precisely the ideology of exploitation. The exploitation of people based on the most primitive and base instincts. “Take everything away and share - and we’ll live right away !!!” - this is the idea on which Marxism is based. Clouding the human mind, this ideology, under the pretext of imaginary "liberation," forces people to serve the utopian ideas of the party elite, seizing power in the country. There are many examples of this - from Cambodia and Rhodesia (which became a beggar of Zimbabwe under the leadership of the Marxists) to China, which is now building a digital concentration camp using IT technology. http://maxpark.com/community/4765/content/6155324
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 January 2018 13: 49 New
                        +3
                        All take away and share the slogan of the anarchists. “Two,” according to sophistry, Mr. liar. The communists, factories, workers, land, peasants. How is it now to work for the owner, like it?
                        And to the Chinese, to your masters, as to Shanghai on four-wheelers. Everyone stole what is possible.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 8 January 2018 14: 10 New
                        +3
                        If you continue the slogan, TAKE EVERYTHING FROM ALL AND SHARE !!!!!!! and then BETWEEN YOURSELF !!!!!!! What we all observed in 90! Stolen from the state ---- divided between its ----- enemies-capitalists and their minions-lizopami !!!!!!!
                      3. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 9 January 2018 00: 03 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        The exploitation of people based on the most primitive and base instincts. “Take everything away and share - and we’ll live right away !!!” - this is the idea on which Marxism is based.

                        You first learn Marxism, and then speak, otherwise your nonsense is ridiculous to read.
                      4. Dalailama
                        Dalailama 9 January 2018 06: 40 New
                        +2
                        Marx on the side, go straight to the study of the works of Trotsky, these two Yehovists will not leave you behind.
                      5. Dalailama
                        Dalailama 9 January 2018 06: 57 New
                        +2
                        ... with their books.
                      6. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 11 January 2018 23: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        DalaiLama January 9, 2018 06:57 a.m. ↑
                        ... with their books.

                        I recommend:
                        https://work-way.com/blog/
                      7. Dalailama
                        Dalailama 12 January 2018 09: 23 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        I recommend:
                        https://work-way.com/blog/

                        Is the paper soft?
        4. RUSS
          RUSS 8 January 2018 11: 12 New
          +9
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          As far as I remember, in 1941, although we were preparing for the war, we were not in a hurry to join it!

          Yeah, well, what about the Polish campaign and the Finnish one?
    3. XII Legion
      XII Legion 7 January 2018 07: 30 New
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      The Russian soldier fought not for the bourgeoisie, but for the territorial integrity of Russia - after all, having dealt with France and England in 1914 (as later in 1940), the German bloc would have fully occupied our country.
      And always remained a believer. Great Holiday - and celebrated accordingly.
      Thank you!
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 7 January 2018 07: 58 New
        +8
        The Russian soldier fought not for the bourgeoisie, but for the territorial integrity of Russia - after all, having dealt with France and England in 1914 (as later in 1940), the German bloc would have fully occupied our country.

        Yeah, I would do ... what then the Germans would have had to repeat the fate of Napoleon and there would have been a moral justification for this war ...

        Certainly this was not necessary for Russian mothers, wives and children of these dead soldiers.
        1. XII Legion
          XII Legion 7 January 2018 08: 22 New
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          Same lech
          then the Germans would have had to repeat the fate of Napoleon

          Maybe it wouldn’t have been necessary - we confined ourselves to weaning the Baltic states, Poland and the Caucasus.
          Although - maybe this is better than 2 revolutions and the Civil War? winked
          Certainly it was not necessary for Russian mothers, wives and children of these dead soldiers
          That's for sure. As in all wars. Like mothers, wives and children of all warring countries.
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 7 January 2018 09: 04 New
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            They always wanted Ukraine, later on the most Ural mountains.
          2. Dalailama
            Dalailama 7 January 2018 09: 22 New
            +6
            Napoleonchik also had to surrender, maybe the cultural revolutionary French who had gotten rich in church utensils in Russia taught something else besides their “French pranks”, eating the princess frogs and turning the churches into stables.
        2. Dalailama
          Dalailama 7 January 2018 09: 14 New
          +7
          And why not the essence of Batu? When most of them had to die too.
          you should read what with the Russo-tourist cultural Germans did after the declaration of war.
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 7 January 2018 09: 57 New
            +9
            Concentration camps for Rusyns were in Galicia in 1914, and just as in 1941 villages were burned along with the population.
        3. Monarchist
          Monarchist 7 January 2018 10: 15 New
          +6
          Lech, doesn’t it seem to you that to some extent the situation before WWI resembles August 1945: after all, Japan formally had peace with the Soviet Union, and Stalin, in agreement with England and America, entered the war with Japan. What a quick war was, but there is no war without loss.
          In our village, a grandmother died in the fall: her son died on August 31, 1945, he served the entire war in the Primorsky Territory in the cavalry unit.
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 7 January 2018 11: 25 New
            +5
            Not quite, formally, while there was peace in 1914, the Austro-Hungarians slaughtered the Serbs for a week, and Japan in 1941-45 organized provocations, violated the freedom of navigation and got what it fought for at Khalkhin Gol.
        4. verner1967
          verner1967 8 January 2018 13: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Certainly this was not necessary for Russian mothers, wives and children of these dead soldiers.

          Tell me, did the mothers of the dead and mutilated soldiers and officers in Afghanistan need this?
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 8 January 2018 11: 16 New
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        Quote: XII Legion
        The Russian soldier fought not for the bourgeoisie, but for the territorial integrity of Russia - after all, having dealt with France and England in 1914 (as later in 1940), the German bloc would have fully occupied our country.

        Moreover, then this war was called the Patriotic War and later the Bolsheviks renamed it Imperial
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 9 January 2018 00: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: RUSS
          Moreover, then this war was called the Patriotic War and later the Bolsheviks renamed it Imperial

          In 1914, fermented patriots made an attempt to call the war that began the national war, but alas, it did not take root, because they call the war in which the civilian population is involved, besides, soldiers would never have stuck a bayonet in the ground in the Russian war. So stop entertaining yourself with illusions.
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 9 January 2018 06: 38 New
            +2
            It participated in it in a mobilized form. The first such order was from above on a truce. They didn’t stick to the next one, but generally went to the Vlasovites, having seen enough of this before your Trotskyist radiant path.
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 9 January 2018 19: 17 New
              0
              Quote: DalaiLama
              It participated in it in a mobilized form.

              Then for the Germans, and for the Austrians with the Hungarians it is necessary to consider that the war was domestic, they also all were mobilized from them.
              1. Dalailama
                Dalailama 10 January 2018 01: 15 New
                0
                They fought not for the Fatherland, but for the Austrian successor to the heir at best.
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 10 January 2018 01: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: DalaiLama
                  They fought not for the Fatherland, but for the Austrian successor to the heir at best.

                  And what kind of defense of the fatherland in the war of 1914 can be said if no one attacked Russia, if it was initially announced that Russia would provide assistance to the Serbs, and ordinary people did not call this war other than the "German war".
                  1. Dalailama
                    Dalailama 10 January 2018 03: 31 New
                    0
                    About such protection that "Germany" declared this war of Russia. Did she make sense to do this? After all, no one attacked her.
                    She declared and sat in the east on the defensive, while advancing on Russia's allies in the west and south.
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 11 January 2018 18: 10 New
                      0
                      Quote: DalaiLama
                      About such protection that "Germany" declared this war of Russia. Did she make sense to do this? After all, no one attacked her.
                      She declared and sat in the east on the defensive, while advancing on Russia's allies in the west and south.

                      Only for some reason, Russian troops under the command of General Samsonov and Rennekampf invaded German territory and walked on it for a week, until they came into contact with the German army. Is this also an element of the Patriotic War?
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 7 January 2018 07: 30 New
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      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Tore off Russian men from their families... of their home ... did they really need this bourgeois war to redistribute the world.

      Defending the Fatherland men always "tear" away from invaders. So it was in 1812, it was so in 1941. Always.
      Who was left with the family, was left without the Fatherland.

      I congratulate all participants in HAPPY VICTORY Russian people in World War II 1812 over "twenty languages." It was celebrated every Christmas, according to the Imperial Manifesto. Today is Christmas!
      Canceled by the "Russophiles" - "Russian" Communists, who blew up the main monuments dedicated to this war.
      All Orthodox -Merry Christmas! hi
      Many thanks to the author, and also on Holidays!
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 7 January 2018 07: 45 New
        +5
        Defense of the Fatherland from invaders always "tears off" men. So it was in 1812, it was so in 1941. Always.


        That's it from the invaders here I agree with you.
        what
        But the First World War of 1914 ... this is the war of the bourgeoisie for the redistribution of spheres of influence and it brought nothing but grief and suffering to the Russian people.

        According to Western sources, by the time of leaving the war, the total losses of the Russian imperial army amounted to 1,7 million killed and died from wounds; 4,95 million wounded and 2,5 million prisoners of war


        For what is asked.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 7 January 2018 07: 54 New
          +3
          For what is asked.

          A long video, an hour and a half, and many have seen, I think so, but Klim Zhukov answers all questions.
          Merry Christmas!
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 7 January 2018 08: 13 New
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          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          But the First World War of 1914 ... this is the war of the bourgeoisie for the redistribution of spheres of influence and it brought nothing but grief and suffering to the Russian people.

          It World War II - against the German invaders who attacked our country. As in 1941. And earlier. There were absolutely countless feats, about which vivid testimonies were published by the historian Oleinikov, Roman Skomorokhov and other authors.
          President of RUSSIA: "NO difference between WWII and WWII, in fact, no!"
          President of Russia: "Good memory to the heroes of the First World War. Glory to the RUSSIAN WEAPONS and OUR SOLDIER-HERO! ”
          Neither add nor diminish.
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 7 January 2018 08: 44 New
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            Olgovich Today, 08:13 ↑ New
            This is the Second World War
            World War II can only be called being in a disorder of reason. What the hell is it for domestic? Remember who attacked someone in fact. Although this war was declared to us, we were the first to introduce troops into the territory of Germans. That is, in fact, we ourselves attacked the Germans. "Patriotic", for whose interests we fought in that war? For the interests of Britain, thanks to your idiot introduced by your own church to the rank of "saint." This one with the "saint" ditched several million for no reason.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 7 January 2018 09: 04 New
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              Quote: Varyag_0711
              World War II can only be called being in mental disorder.

              A disorder of reason is believing a 70-year-old lie about WWI. The memory of which was equated with bulldozers, demolishing ALL monuments To the heroes of WWI and leveling them their graves in the cemeteries of Heroeshaving arranged on them ....Cities and cinemas. fool This could be done, yes, only in a blurred mind.
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Remember who attacked someone in fact. Although this war was declared to us, we were the first to introduce troops into the territory of the Germans.

              Your denseness is simply amazing: HOW do you need to hate your homeland so that you don’t know its history? request The tragedy of the Russian city of KALISH, captured by the Gnemis on the SECOND day of the war, with the mass beatings (cutting) of children, women, rape, robberies, the destruction of the city with artillery fire, a concentration camp, is NOT DIFFERENT from the atrocities of the Nazis, nice people!
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              That is, in fact, we ourselves attacked the Germans. "Patriotic", for whose interests did we fight in that war? For the interests of Britain, thanks to your idiot introduced by your own church to the rank of "saint." This with ka the "saint" ditched several million for no reason.

              fool
              For the Motherland fought, comrade lover of the mat. AND the feat of our soldiers is immortal: if not for them, then the horrors of the occupation of 1941-44 would already be in 1914.
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              This one with the "saint" ditched several million for just like that.

              Just like that, and without any war, they ditched a lot more than millions — in 1932–33, which you modestly kept silent about 55 years!
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 7 January 2018 09: 34 New
                +4
                Tragedy Russian the city of Kalis, captured by the Gnemis On the second war day - with the mass beatings (cutting) of children, women, rape, robbery, the destruction of the city by artillery fire, concentration camp

                2 August, our troops invaded East Prussia. Germans captured Polish the city of Kalish, which is part of the Republic of Ingushetia, of course, is also 2 of August. Everything, in fact, is true. That's just about concentration camp, do not throw off the source.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 7 January 2018 10: 47 New
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                  Quote: avva2012
                  On August 2, our troops invaded East Prussia. The Germans captured the Polish city of Kalisz, which is part of the Republic of Ingushetia, of course, also on August 2

                  The Russian army (1st, Rennenkampf) crossed the Russian-German border August 17 1914 years in the area of ​​the modern city of Nesterov (Kaliningrad region) and immediately entered the battle (the battle near Stallupenen).
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Here, just about the concentration camp, do not throw off the source.

                  You know, I think, about the Rudenko Cheka for investigating the crimes of the Nazis in the Second World War
                  So SAME Russian Cheka existed in WWI. with the SAME goal-the investigation of war crimes from Germany, A-Hungary and Turkey. And Kalish was her first investigation. It was supposed to hold Nuremberg after the PMV. But after the Brest betrayal, ALL materials of the Cheka by the new friends of the invaders (since March 1918) were DESTROYED so as not to offend friends inadvertently. Therefore, only some materials remained, evidence of eyewitnesses-residents of Kalish, one of which, among others, was stolen in a concentration campwhat left memories.
                  Concentration camps (death camps in fact) on an ETHNIC basis — for Russians — were in Hungary — Tallerhof and Terezin. These are the most famous, but there were others. Like burnt villages, purges .. Like plans (and actions) for Germanization and eviction and colonization.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 7 January 2018 11: 12 New
                    +4
                    August 17 1914

                    Hidden styles of calendars!
                    one of which, among others, was driven into a concentration camp, which left memories.
                    The tragedy of the Russian city of KALISH, captured by the gnomes on the SECOND day of the war, with the mass beatings (cutting) of children, women, rape, robberies, the destruction of the city with artillery fire, a concentration camp

                    The fact that there were concentration camps, no one denies, but in your comment, in the sense, it turns out that the concentration camp was built in the city of Kalish. Notice, there is a listing, "with the mass beatings (cutting) of children, women, rape, robbery, the destruction of the city with artillery fire, a concentration camp." And below, you write that only one of the inhabitants of the town was placed in the camp. Recognizable corporate identity "Olgovich & Co."
                    But after the Brest betrayal ALL the materials of the Cheka new friends of the invaders

                    HanTengri Yesterday, 20: 06
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    You asked for cities, roads and dams ... I showed you the maps, not crap with the zoo. That's it, I asked for "cities, roads, dams." lol And you showed the daub of the 18 century about Tartaria on ... the territory of Russia under PETER I laughing

                    "It's funny to look at yourself in the mirror, isn’t it, Olgovich? You ask: what is common? lol In general - strange voices in the head, spewing out streams of information, without the slightest hint of the material source thereof. laughing"
                    Do not add, do not decrease, Olgovich. Does the red color cause foam, involuntary convulsions and central nervous system collapse?
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 7 January 2018 12: 22 New
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                      Quote: avva2012
                      Hidden styles of calendars!

                      Subtract 13 days from August 17 and receive 4 August- the problem is for you, sorry, I did not think.yes
                      Quote: avva2012
                      but in your comment, in the sense, it turns out that the concentration camp was built в(the city of Kalisz.
                      Prepositions Russian language (3rd grade) learn: "C" is not "B". yes
                      Quote: avva2012
                      . And below, you write that only one of the inhabitants of the town was placed in the camp

                      I repeat for tankers lol one of which among otherswas hijacked to a concentration camp
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Recognizable corporate identity "Olgovich & Co."

                      Are you in a position to challenge something? As always, NO. One chatter is in response to the facts.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      HanTengri Yesterday, 20: 06

                      And the authority quoted by you is appropriate: a lover of the mat and repeated mention of the epithet "gu.ano" to the opponents.
                      By the way, didn’t you get dirty? hi
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 7 January 2018 12: 45 New
                        +3
                        The answer is, you swing!
                        You would tie it up with people like that. Think yourself a sample? Rude in a quiet way, and then you pretend to be innocent, "What about me then?" It’s easier to be, and more often to look in the mirror, whether you see who you imagine yourself. Khan Tengri, because you are right in the definition, you know that. Nothing else but voices can explain your allergy to red. Tanker, you take it.
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 7 January 2018 13: 51 New
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                      Quote: Olgovich
                      The answer is, you swing!
                      You would tie it up with people like that. Think yourself a sample? Rude in a quiet way, and then you pretend to be innocent, "What about me then?"

                      My dear man, I didn’t mention you at all, answering your question. What is the answer on your part ?: A-unprovoked rudeness
                      Quote: avva2012
                      - strange voices in the head, belching streams, style

                      Quote: avva2012
                      Khan Tengri, because you are right in the definition, you know that. Nothing else but voices can explain your allergy to red. Tanker, you take it.

                      He called me many times "guan and mother. And since he, in your opinion, is right, then that says a lot about you (it’s been clear to him a long time ago). request

                      С Victory Day of the Russian people You (your forbidden) and Merry christmas (which yours also did not celebrate) hi !
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 7 January 2018 15: 35 New
                        +2
                        1.If he had sworn you (he did systematically as far as I understand what you wrote), he would have been in an eternal bathhouse long ago. 2. The fact that you are doing rudeness in a quiet way, I thought you did not notice, now I realized that no, consciously. That, you see, infuriates others, even more. So, it is not surprising that you grasp, periodically, not very pleasant words for you. Surely, your childhood wonder will only make you laugh. 3. About the voices. So nothing else, your passages about the Brest peace and the "friends of the invaders" can not be explained. I do not understand what you mind? This is to say, to the people who created the USSR and won the Great Patriotic War, it is not possible for a rational person. However, your comments yesterday, say that with intelligence, everything is fine. What then? Just what Khan Tengri wrote about. And, this is not an insult. 4. Happy Victory Day will be 9 on May. And not the Russian, but the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War. Are you congratulated in advance? If, you mean, victory in World War II, there are not only Russians who fought, nationalist, you are homegrown, of Moldovan spill. Tatars, Bashkirs and many other nations would not understand me if I would agree with your statement. 5. Christmas in the USSR was not officially celebrated in a multinational country where Orthodoxy is one of the religions. What are Muslims and Buddhists now celebrating, a day off? And why Uraza-Bairam, I do not celebrate as a day off? Do not you think that this is somehow illogical? If, are we all one people?
                        6. Here, you are building an insulted from yourself Olgovich, and you, after all, are an ordinary enemy. I had thoughts that from the near future, you are talking different nonsense, but no, and with well-readness, everything is fine with you and tyma cooks.
                        So that, as he said, the hero of one film in the translation of the Goblin, "not a brother, you tell me ....".
                    3. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 8 January 2018 11: 05 New
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                      Quote: avva2012
                      1. If he were you material (did systematically as far as I understand what you wrote), I would have been in an eternal bath a long time ago.

                      1. Ahh, I understand you: once, not ace yes lol
                      Quote: avva2012
                      . 2. The fact that you are doing rudeness in a quiet way, I thought you did not notice, now I realized that no, consciously. That, you see, infuriates others, even more. So, it is not surprising that you grab it periodically.

                      Focus on the ARTICLE, dear man, and not on fiction about my humble person and his bizarre grievances: well, who are they interested in? request .:
                      Quote: avva2012
                      About the voices. So nothing else, your passages about the Brest peace and the "friends of the invaders" can not be explained. That’s to say, to people who created the USSR and won the Great Patriotic War,

                      Dear, Russia exists MORE THOUSAND YEARS and created by many and many generations of Russian people, and not in 1917-1922. In the same years, it was cut off from her that the Russian people created later with blood: Novorossia and others,
                      If it weren’t for Brest’s betrayal, then WWII wouldn’t be .. WWII won the ALL people of the country, as it was throughout ALL of our history earlier. And the overwhelming number of fighters who died for their homeland, by the way, are non-communists.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      4. Happy Victory Day will be May 9th. And not the Russian, but the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War. Are you congratulated in advance? If, you mean, the victory in World War II, and there are not only Russians who fought,

                      Once again for the "tankers": EVERY Christmas, more than a hundred years old, Victory Day was celebrated"Russian people"(it was he who was named the winner at the main monument of OV). Was Russian Army, Russian Fleet, Russian aviation, Russian geographic society, etc., as if you were not bothered by the word "Russian". Because it was the RUSSIANS who gathered and made this country, without them, -It’s impossible and-remember- no one needs it!
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Christmas in the USSR, not celebrated at the official level in a multinational country where Orthodoxy is one of the religions.

                      Celebrated. And quite a while. You don’t know this either ....
                      Quote: avva2012
                      . Here, you are building an insulted from yourself Olgovich, and you, after all, are an ordinary enemy.

                      Have mercy, what an insult! Can anyone offend me, for example, a pillar? belay
                      Enemies, dear, these are foreign invaders and lawbreakers, the rest are "All people are BROTHERS!" yes
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 January 2018 11: 47 New
                        +2
                        Well, in general it’s clear: "All people are BROTHERS!". I, personally, am a law-abiding citizen, my profession is peaceful. And certainly I’m not going to attack Moldova. Brother, ten thousand in hard currency, you need, you will not give?
                        Not? Then buy a rooster in the market, chop off his head, and ....
                    4. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 8 January 2018 13: 23 New
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                      Quote: avva2012
                      : "All people are BROTHERS!". I, personally, am a law-abiding citizen, my profession is peaceful.

                      So you deserve respect. I speak seriously.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Brother, ten thousand in hard currency, you need, you will not give?

                      belay And this, in your opinion, is brotherhood?
                      You are undermining my faith in humanity! yes
                      “Tell me, Shura, honestly, how much money do you need to be happy?” - asked Ostap. - Just count everything". - “One hundred rubles", Balaganov answered, regretfully tearing himself away from bread and sausage.
                      laughing
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Then buy in the market a cock, chop off his head, and.

                      As I guessed you: already done yes but from domestic cock-wonderful jelly for Christmas.
                      With the past you! hi
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 January 2018 14: 01 New
                        +2
                        Olgovich, and what does it mean, namely, a home cock? In addition, the rolls do not grow on trees, but the jelly is normal, it is obtained from pork and beef stings. You probably mean jellied? What nastiness, what nastiness, your aspic ... Olgovich.
                        As I understand it, you not only do not understand cooking, but also in human relations. If you live by the slogan that you voiced, then you will not be crushed by a toad, give your brother, 10000 SLE? Brother, then. Or will your relatives not begging snow in winter? Confess.
                2. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 7 January 2018 10: 50 New
                  +5
                  Do you think there were no such people in WWI? Start your search with the word "Telegraph".
                3. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 8 January 2018 20: 44 New
                  +4
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Olgovich, and what does it mean, namely, a home cock?

                  Non-grocery, grown and presented as a matchmaker. Therefore, it is extremely tasty! good
                  Quote: avva2012
                  the jelly is normal, it is obtained from the stings of pork and beef. You probably mean jellied? What muck, what muck, your filth ..

                  I mean it is jelly. Recommend: Jelly from domestic rooster | Holiday dishes gotovim.mybloge.net/holodnoe/xolodec-iz-domashneg
                  o-petuxa /.
                  Envy silently. yes

                  Quote: avva2012
                  . If you live by the slogan that you voiced, then the toad will not crush you, give your brother 10000 hard currency?

                  Will not crush: 10 000 Сovetsky Кinvertible Вalutes (Soviet rubles) is not a problem. Are you a communist? hi
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 9 January 2018 02: 28 New
                    +2
                    Clearly, the toad crushed. As always, the words are empty. You, one on one, are like an agitator, propagandist of the late USSR. Did you serve as deputy political officer in the construction battalion? All habits.
                  2. avva2012
                    avva2012 9 January 2018 05: 03 New
                    +1
                    I mean it is jelly. I recommend: Jelly from domestic cock | Holiday meals gotovim.mybloge.net/holodnoe/xolodec-iz-domashneg
                    o-petuxa /. Envy silently.
                    "Awesome winked jelly is obtained from home, even old rooster sad . And it is prepared very simply, although not quickly, but it does not require your constant presence in the kitchen. "The rooster is not old, it is worse in taste of chicken. No, it is better from pork and beef. Why is there any pa.dal?
            2. baudolino
              baudolino 7 January 2018 09: 06 New
              +7
              The technology of drawing the state into the war has been used since the XNUMXth century. With the same success, the USSR was drawn into the Afghan war, for example. In this sense, the "halfwits" from the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee are no different from the "halfwit" of Nicholas. The death of a soldier for the "world revolution", "communism throughout the world" is no better than the death "for the interests of Britain."
              1. Monarchist
                Monarchist 8 January 2018 08: 46 New
                +4
                Rightly said.
              2. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 9 January 2018 00: 16 New
                +3
                Quote: baudolino
                The death of a soldier for the "world revolution", "communism throughout the world" is no better than the death "for the interests of Britain."

                You will never understand this. Although everything is so simple: the world revolution and communism is the dream of all the disadvantaged (and there are billions of them in the world - the vast majority), and the interests of Britain are the interests of only its elite (which, probably, will not reach a tenth of a million).
            3. Dalailama
              Dalailama 7 January 2018 09: 07 New
              +4
              What `s next? They first went according to Schlippen’s plan as later in 1940 to the West in order to deal with the then Russian ally France, as before, in 1870 they succeeded. In the east, while sitting on the defensive.
              How much does the German General Staff pay you?
          2. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 7 January 2018 18: 02 New
            +5
            Quote: Olgovich
            Olgovich Today, 08: 13 ↑
            Quote: The same Lech
            But the First World War of 1914 ... this is the war of the bourgeoisie for the redistribution of spheres of influence and it brought nothing but grief and suffering to the Russian people.

            This is the Second World War


            Patriotic war is called in which the whole people are fighting. In the war of 1812 and 1941, there were paramilitary guerrilla groups of civilians. In the war of 1914 there were no such formations.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 8 January 2018 14: 09 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Green
              In the war of 1914 there were no such formations.

              and a lot of the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia was captured in 1914. The guerrilla war is effective only in the deep rear areas, on communications, and in the front-line zone this is all ineffective.
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 8 January 2018 23: 54 New
                +2
                Quote: verner1967
                and a lot of the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia was captured in 1914. The guerrilla war is effective only in the deep rear areas, on communications, and in the front-line zone this is all ineffective

                And since civilians did not participate in the war, then it is impossible to call the war domestic.
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 9 January 2018 19: 44 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  And since civilians didn’t take part in the war,

                  where is it so installed? In that war they fought more competently and did not allow civilians to take part in it, but nevertheless, people went to recruiting stations voluntarily, even the 2nd and 3rd category reserve men were enlisted in the army, and the army was helped by both old and young parcels and participation (hospitals, services, assistance to the disabled)
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 11 January 2018 18: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: verner1967
                    In that war they fought more competently

                    There is nowhere more competent. In that war, ordinary soldiers quickly saw their light: for which they were sent to die, and made the only right choice - a “bayonet in the ground” and threw off the senders from the ridge.
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 13 January 2018 23: 13 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      In that war, privates quickly saw their light:

                      there were enough deserters in this war too, and there were no more deserters, including commanders and generals
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 13 January 2018 23: 54 New
                        +1
                        Quote: verner1967
                        there were enough deserters in this war too, and there were no more deserters, including commanders and generals

                        Well, where without them? But the bulk of the people honestly and heroically fought and did not even think to throw off the Bolshevik leadership so hated by you.
            2. Dalailama
              Dalailama 9 January 2018 06: 32 New
              +1
              Patriotic war is called for the Fatherland.
              In 1914 there was a universal military duty (among the Russians) and mobilization took place without deep advancing of the enemy that would have prevented her, so everyone fought in the army. Actually the territories occupied by Russian occupation were almost not affected.
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 9 January 2018 19: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: DalaiLama
                Patriotic war is called for the Fatherland.
                In 1914 there was a universal military duty (among the Russians) and mobilization took place without a deep advance of the enemy that would prevent it,

                In Austria-Hungary it was the same. So we conclude that in 1914 the peoples of all countries waged "domestic" wars among themselves, and no one fought for the redivision of the world under imperialism.
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 9 January 2018 19: 39 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  In Austria-Hungary it was the same. So we conclude that in 1914 the peoples of all countries waged "domestic" wars among themselves,

                  only some of them were attacked, while others were themselves attackers, do not you see the difference?
                2. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 10 January 2018 01: 16 New
                  +1
                  In 1941-45, there was also mobilization in Germany. This is probably d. not the only indicator? Make bold your Trotskyist conclusions further.
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 10 January 2018 01: 58 New
                    0
                    Quote: DalaiLama
                    Make bolder your Trotskyist conclusions further

                    I do not draw Trotskyist conclusions, but show the absurdity of your arguments, because they are akin to the proof of one of the religions that the cat has a soul. They convince us there: a person has eyes and a cat has, a person eats a cat too, a person has a soul, which means a cat too.
                    1. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 10 January 2018 03: 34 New
                      0
                      You would know that they have it, if you had your own in sufficient quantity and quality, which, characteristic of the Trotskyists, showed.
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 10 January 2018 22: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        You would know that they have it, if you had your own in sufficient quantity and quality, which, characteristic of the Trotskyists, showed.

                        Do not make people laugh, you are our spiritual.
                    2. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 11 January 2018 04: 44 New
                      0
                      People are just not funny.
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 11 January 2018 18: 20 New
                        0
                        Quote: DalaiLama

                        0
                        DalaiLama Today, 04: 44 ↑
                        People are just not funny.

                        It depends on what.
        3. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 7 January 2018 15: 23 New
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          In 1612 they rose for the boyars, in 1812 they fought for the landowners, in 1914 they fought for the bourgeoisie, in 1941 they defended party officials ...
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 7 January 2018 16: 15 New
            +3
            Oops Plan Ost, nothing? Murders, rape, robbery in the occupied territory, are these inventions of party nomenclature? By fear God, what are you talking about? Or, this is a joke belay
            1. ALEA IACTA EST
              ALEA IACTA EST 7 January 2018 16: 19 New
              +4
              I just continued the logic of Comrade LEKHI and his like-minded people.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 7 January 2018 17: 09 New
                +1
                Ufff, relieved from the heart
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 7 January 2018 17: 27 New
                  +1
                  Just what did Lech say wrong?
    5. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 7 January 2018 11: 46 New
      +4
      JANUARY 7 - VICTORY DAYS OVER TWENTY LANGUAGES
      On January 6, 1813, Emperor Alexander published the Manifesto on the Victorious End of World War II.
      The manifesto of the Russian emperor Alexander I of (December 25, 1812) on January 6, 1813 marked the end of World War II. The manifesto also ordered every year on Christmas Day to celebrate the great Victory Day. The holiday was canceled after the October Revolution of 1917 (... but in vain ..)
      http://www.istpravda.ru/chronograph/1575/


      And in his manifesto of August 30, 1814 regarding the victory over the enemy, the Russian emperor called this war "an invasion of Gauls (French) and twenty languages ​​with them." “Twenty” or “twelve” means “two plus ten,” that is, “very much.”
      http://ogorodnikov-rs.ru/info.php?id=42
    6. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 7 January 2018 14: 13 New
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      Russian soldiers fought not for the "bourgeois", but for their homeland, which the Germans attacked. That war was not in vain called the Second World War.

      And the heroes of that war, after 1917, were despicably forgotten. I am glad that they are now being remembered. [media = http: // https: //youtu.be/7Kix3HH-oE4]
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 7 January 2018 15: 49 New
        +4
        Our song is good, start over? It was written about how they went to the "Second Patriotic War" in the 15 year and beyond. The fact that the straits, acre of grain sellers were not needed by anyone, either. But, no, with tenacity worthy of better use, "the priest had a dog ...."
        So how do you differ from the fomenko style? Avatar and knowledge of yati? So, this is the same anachronism as the anti-Norman teachings, which, you yesterday, so actively exposed. Is it logical?
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 7 January 2018 16: 29 New
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          Quote: avva2012
          in the 15th year and beyond, it is written rewritten.

          Red authors, yes. They have stories of "mass desertion" at odds with archival data.
          "Breadmakers" —that is what you call the peasants? Then congratulations, you just admitted that you are denying the presence of economic interests in 80% of the population of Imperial Russia. And you forget about the young Russian industry, which also needed foreign markets.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 7 January 2018 17: 17 New
            +4
            What kind of peasants did they sell bread abroad? Names, flogged, turnout? Do not tell me, lieutenant. 80 percent of the peasants were illiterate. Large land owners in the south of Russia traded bread.
            And about the "red authors", and you file a lawsuit against him for libel. Or disprove at least one his thesis. Egor Yakovlev, books, YouTube, impeccable reputation. And how much, it is red, how do you know? Not in one party, he is not a member of the Revolution does not campaign.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 7 January 2018 17: 35 New
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              Quote: avva2012
              80 percent of the peasants were illiterate.

              Outright lies.
              Read a literacy study in RI:
              https://imperialcommiss.livejournal.com/495343.ht
              ml
              Quote: avva2012
              Large land owners in the south of Russia traded bread.

              Hm. And who said that all agricultural products of RI are bread? Have you ever read about Vologda oil?
              Egor Yakovlev? Are you talking about the St. Petersburg journalist who is a member of the Kurginyannov sect “The Essence of Time”? “Reliable” and “objective” source, nothing to say ...
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 7 January 2018 18: 29 New
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                Is it a sect?
                He, personally, as a historian, was accused of unscrupulousness? Is there evidence of unprofessionalism? You, personally, can refute his thesis?
                The problem for you is that it has links to open sources. Refute at least one.
                I had to read about Siberian dairy products. What is changing? Farmers traded them?
                You know, I can draw tables myself. I have a grandfather from 1900 year of birth, the kingdom of heaven, and others have relatives. As for literacy, they can tell. And the Bolsheviks engaged in educational program simply to take a break from executions of the population?
                The priest had a dog ...
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 7 January 2018 23: 40 New
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                  Yeah, "witnesses of illiteracy in Russia." It is ridiculous to read about this from an Orthodox communist on a profile that should be more familiar with what a parish school is, which were in the Russian Empire at every parish / church that you destroyed almost everything. There were also gymnasiums and craft schools in every city. Go to the mausoleum with your Likbez, his fans are still there.
                2. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 8 January 2018 11: 43 New
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                  Quote: avva2012
                  Is it a sect?

                  Exactly what a sect is. With all the signs:
                  But if we take the main signs of totalitarian sects and apply them to the NE, then many of them are quite suitable, not all, but many:
                  Promises of personal growth - in the first issues of the Essence of Time, the SEC repeatedly persuaded listeners to regularly review all issues of the program, promising that by the last fortieth (as it turned out to the 41st) issue, they would become “other people”, understanding those “higher meanings” that they will tell "their humble servant."
                  ***
                  Intensive and constant indoctrination (transmission of the fundamental principles of the belief system) is carried out using regular video messages (The Essence of Time, The Meaning of the Game), in which the wonderful speaker and actor Kurginyan, using elements of NLP, manipulates the audience’s consciousness, instilling a value system that is beneficial for himself.
                  https://cont.ws/@korresh/99064
                  You follow the link. There is a complete list of signs of a totalitarian sect related to the "essence of time."
                  Quote: avva2012
                  He, personally, as a historian, was accused of unscrupulousness? Is there evidence of unprofessionalism? You, personally, can refute his thesis?

                  I can. Firstly (although this is indirect evidence), he actively collaborates with a certain Mr. Puchkov, who has already managed to glorify himself as an unworthy person, posing as someone else’s work for his “funny translations of films”. https://lenta.ru/articles/2016/10/21/truthofaliar
                  /
                  Secondly, Mr. Yakovlev does not hesitate to lie directly, in order to fit the facts into a picture of the world that suits him. Here is a quote from his interview with the same "Goblin" -Puchkov:
                  When Melgunov wrote this work, he deliberately timed it to the trial of Coverda .... and in general - these works are already outdated.
                  The meaning is clear: according to Mr. Yakovlev, "white tyrants and oppressors sought to denigrate the national heroes of the Bolsheviks." There’s only one detail that Mr. Yakovlev’s mentality smashes into smithereens. Boris Coverda executed Voikov in 1927, and Melgunov’s book came out ... in 1924 year! Here is a confirmation for you, information from Ozone, where paper reprint is sold:
                  It is based on testimonies collected by the author from various sources, but primarily from the press organs of the Cheka itself (the Cheka’s Weekly magazine, the magazine Red Terror), even before he was expelled from the USSR. Published by: Berlin: Vataga, 1924.

                  So your next idol, Mr. Yakovlev, either lives in a fictional reality (which is unlikely), or simply a liar, distorting the facts to please neo-Bolshevik myth-making.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 8 January 2018 14: 44 New
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                    Do you have a guarantee, do what you want, but honestly, this information, from which liberal portal did you dig up? I don’t believe it, I don’t believe that they themselves watched the program with Yakovlev, found a “discrepancy”, then, got information about Puchkov.
                    You see, I’m not interested in Puchkov himself, for example, even if he does what, that is consistent with the law of the Russian Federation, but it’s for sure that his channel carries out educational activities. Naturally, your ideological companions from the skin will be curtailed in order to pour feces over both him and his interlocutors.
                    I’m not saying that they are all there, crystal clear, but, I repeat, all the information is verified calmly.
                    Data on education in Ingushetia, medicine, very unflattering royal authority. Therefore, I am surprised at the resourcefulness of those who supply you with those fantastic "facts" about universal prosperity in the Republic of Ingushetia.
                    And finally. Someone has Yakovlev, and you brought this information here, found a “discrepancy”, but in my opinion, your colleagues need to repent first for Solzhenitsyn’s lies, for libel against V. I. Lenin and I. V. Stalin. You live with this and do not cough. Keep lying and don't blush.
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 8 January 2018 16: 25 New
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                      Quote: avva2012
                      this information, from which liberal portal did you dig up?

                      To be honest, Comte is a completely independent resource where people publish, regardless of their political views. And even pro-communist bloggers criticize the Kurginyanov sect, read: http://balbes92.livejournal.com/232327.html
                      But you don’t even need to look for criticism of Puchkov — the scandal with the translations was quite loud.
                      As for the video with Yakovlev, you can check it yourself.
                      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u1iK7ZbYpkQ
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 January 2018 16: 58 New
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                        I’ll check it, but you didn’t look it yourself, I understood correctly, took it from other people's words, without checking it? At the expense of Puchkov, it makes no difference to me, he doesn’t break the law, and I’m not the Pope, and you, too, hang up morality. In addition, he is a businessman, but for a businessman, such things are the norm. Who climbed on what. At least he did not sell drugs and did not kill people. And so, the natural product of your bourgeois system. What, you are outraged that they themselves are not able to? Another thing is that on his channel, now, they say reasonable things. And the fact that many tsarist officers served in the Red Army and died far in time after the "repression" and the death of JV Stalin. And Krasnov and Shkuro in the loop.
                  2. avva2012
                    avva2012 9 January 2018 06: 51 New
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                    Boris Coverda executed Voikov in the 1927 year.
                    Firstly (although this is indirect evidence), he actively collaborates with a certain Mr. Puchkov, who has already managed to glorify himself as a man unworthy

                    Puchkov de, a man unworthy, but there is a man very worthy, well, just a knight without fear and reproach!
                    So B.S. Coverda

                    “Special Headquarters“ Russia ”” is what is usually called “Sondershtab-R” in networks. The Abwehr division under the command of Major Wehrmacht Boris Alekseevich Smyslovsky, operating under the operational pseudonym von Regenau, and then Arthur Holmston.Over time, the former white émigré officer, who had graduated from reconnaissance courses of the Reichswehr, developed his diocese into an entire Russland division and received the rank of colonel, and already at the end of the year, on April 4 of 1945, he became major general, commander of the 1th Russian National Army, which became his division. He acted independently of the structures of General Vlasov, gathered white emigrants and "sub-Soviet" people under his banner. And all the time, Boris Koverda was his faithful companion. A modest man who did not climb into the first roles. From one published order on Sondershtab-R of October 1943, it follows that he was a rank of small, only sergeant major, and the position was also quiet, although obviously very responsible: informant of the sector of the 2-th department (that is, counterintelligence, if you will - of its own security). In general, he worked with people. He stood guard over the purity of the ranks, if necessary being called "Sergeyev", "Vasilenko", or even "Safonov." It was unsuccessful: it was known about the failures of the Soviet authorities in the development of the Sonslovsky Sondershtab. Von Regenau-Holmston-Smyslovsky was far from. Having won the general rank and the post of army commander (in which there were several thousand bayonets) with the support of Reinhard Gehlen at a very hot time for Germany, about April 20 he led his army to the exit. On the way, the fuel ran out and cars broke down, the Allied aircraft fired on the army, and desertions also happened, especially among the personnel from the former Red Army soldiers. True, strict measures, up to executions, imposed discipline, and the thinned army continued to move. On April 30, in the town of Feldkirch, she was joined by ... Grand Duke Vladimir Kirillovich Romanov, who for some reason feared the French who fought in these parts, as well as a number of other noble and famous people of different nations, including Marshal Henri Petain and Pierre Laval. On the night of 2 on 3 of May 1945 of the year, the 1-I RNA and its accompanying persons organizedly crossed the border of the agonizing Third Reich with Liechtenstein. The local border guard even fired a shot at the general’s armored car (or into the air), but the army was silent: Smyslovsky categorically forbade shooting. Once on the territory of neutral Liechtenstein, the 1-I PHA was interned (if even one shot had been fired it would have become impossible); and neutral Liechtenstein did not sign the Yalta agreements and therefore did not consider itself obligated to observe them regarding repatriation. When everything settled down, and immediately those who wanted to do this for some reason left the army of Smyslovsky and her convoy, a list was compiled. It turned out that the local authorities had to intern the 432 troops of the 1 RPA, with whom there were 30 women and two children. Our hero Boris Coverda in this list is under the number 372. The list itself is published in the book. Geiger P., Schlapp M. "Russen in Liechtenstein. Flucht und Internierung der Wehrmacht-Armee Holmstons 1945 – 1948. Mit der Liste der Internierten und dem russischen Tagebuch des Georgij Simon ". Vaduz: Schalun Verlag, Zurich: Chronos Verlag, 1996. https://forward2ussr.livejournal.com/401498.html
                  3. avva2012
                    avva2012 9 January 2018 07: 11 New
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                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin https://cont.ws/@korresh/99064
                    http://balbes92.livejournal.com/232327.html
                    "Yegor Yakovlev? Are you talking about a St. Petersburg journalist who is a member of the Kurginyannov sect" The Essence of Time "?"
                    About Kurginyan is understandable, but the information that Yegor Yakovlev is participating there, where? It’s not about Kurginyan. Once again, the deck was distorted?
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 9 January 2018 05: 41 New
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                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin https://imperialcommiss.livejournal.com/495343.ht
                ml
                Until the 1917 of the year: (according to the book of the historian S.V. Volkov “The intellectual layer in Soviet society” (Chapter I, The intellectual layer of pre-revolutionary Russia)). In general, it was only after the Second World War that the Bolsheviks were able to overcome the mass illiteracy that they themselves had bred after October 1917!
                http://swolkov.org/ins/031-1.htm, то есть книга историка С.В.Волкова
                Of great importance for increasing the number of educated layer was, of course, the growth in the number of students, the forcing of which became the primary concern of the Soviet authorities. At the beginning of 1918, there were only 60 thousand university students, and by the autumn 1919 – 117 thousand (according to other sources, 221, 3 thousand). In 1920, the number of students at universities and technical schools was 317 thousand people. (including universities 207 thousand), in 1921, university students - 224 thousand, in 1922 – 213, in 1923 – 205, in 1924 – 165, in 1925 – 162, in 1926 – 160 or 163 thousand . {36} After some hesitation in the mid-20's, the number of students grew at a tremendous pace. For decades (for years, see table. 9-10) admission, graduation and the number of students (thousand people) looked like this:
                Year Reception incl. universities Graduation including universities Number including universities
                1920 34,0 44,0 20,0 317,0 207,0
                1930 503,0 144,2 105,3 43,9 874,7 287,9
                1940 646,4 263,5 362,9 126,1 1786,5 811,7
                1950 775,4 349,1 490,6 176,9 2545,0 1247,4
                1960 1362,6 593,3 826,8 343,3 4455,6 2396,1
                1970 2249,9 911,5 1664,1 630,8 8968,6 4580,6
                1980 2508,9 1051,9 2092,0 817,3 9846,9 5235,2
                1990 2396,4 1040,5 1967,9 756,0 9258,4 5161,6
                For 1918 – 1921 Universities graduated from 1,6 thousand engineers, several thousand teachers, during the same time about 40 thousand commanders {37} were trained by military schools. In 1921 – 1928 Universities graduated annually from about 20 thousand people, secondary special educational institutions - about 24 thousand people, having trained about 150 thousand specialists with higher education and about 200 thousand with secondary specialized education {38}. Prior to 1933, universities issued 510 thousand specialists, technical schools - 489 thousand. In general, over the pre-war period, 1208,2 thousand people were trained. with higher and 1790,3 thousand people with secondary specialized education, for the war - 302 and 539,8
                The total number of the formed layer is determined by 1913, the number is about 3 million (2,2% of the population) {9}. Among the intellectual professions, there were up to 300 thousand various teachers and teachers, up to 50 thousand engineers (including about 10 thousand engineers), 80 – 90 thousand doctors (including up to 25 thousand doctors ), about 20 thousand scientists and university professors, 60 thousand personnel officers and military officials, 200 thousand clergy. The most significant part of it was engaged in managing the private sector of the economy. Contrary to popular beliefs, the part of the intellectual layer employed in the sphere of direct state administrative administration was extremely insignificant. Although in Russia a significant part of teachers, doctors, engineers, and other representatives of mass professional groups of this stratum was in the public service and was thus part of the bureaucracy, the total number of Russian officials was rather small, especially when compared with other countries. At the turn of the XVII-XVIII centuries. Of all the “commanding people” in Russia, there were about 4,7 thousand people, while in England at the beginning of the 18th century. with four times smaller population - 10 thousand. In the middle of the XVIII century. Of all ranked civil servants in Russia, there were only 2051 (with clerks 5379). In 1796, there were 15,5 thousand ranking officials, in 1804 – 13,2 thousand, in 1847 – 61548, in 1857 – 86066 (plus 32073 clerk), in 1897 – 101513, at the beginning of the 20th century. - 161 thousand (with clerks 385 thousand). By 1917, all government employees numbered 576 thousand people. Meanwhile, in France already in the middle of the XIX century. there were 0,5 million, in England by 1914 (with three-four times smaller population) - 779 thousand, in the USA in 1900 (with 1,5 times smaller population) - 1275 thousand, and finally in Germany in 1918 (with 2,5 times smaller population) - 1,5 mln. {10} Taking into account the population, in Russia “per capita” there were 5 – 8 times fewer officials than in any European country.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 9 January 2018 05: 42 New
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                  An important feature of the intellectual layer of old Russia was its "noble" character. Due to the predominantly served character of the Russian upper class (since the beginning of the 18th century the receipt of the nobility was not connected with land grants), it in Russia, more than in other countries, coincided with the educated layer (and not only because the local nobility was itself educated part of society, and persons professionally engaged in mental work, initially came mainly from this environment). In fact, in Russia the intellectual layer was nobility, i.e. formed mainly the upper class ...... The Bolshevik revolution, the Russian educated layer met, of course, sharply hostile. Moreover, he was the only one who immediately showed active armed resistance to her - even at that time (autumn 1917 - winter 1918), when the peasantry and even the Cossacks remained passive. Although only a small part of this layer directly participated in the resistance (the majority and its representatives were not up to par, showing extreme thoughtlessness, indecision and cowardice), but among those who resisted the establishment of the Bolshevik dictatorship in the country, representatives of the educated class constituted before 80 – 90 % At first it was precisely this composition that the Volunteer Army had and similar formations on other fronts (of the 3683 participants of the “Ice Campaign” more than 3 thousand were officers, cadets, students, gymnasium students, etc .; in the East in the autumn of 1918 from 5261 bayonets of the Central Siberian Corps 2929 were officers, etc.). It should be borne in mind that by 1917, almost all persons of "draft" age, having education, were officers..... As a result of the loss of the educated layer from terror, as well as famines and epidemics that were a direct consequence of the revolution, and the death of its representatives in the battles of the civil war, its number decreased by several hundred thousand people. It is very significant that during the years of the Civil War, the population of the capitals (where it was concentrated from a quarter to a third of the entire educated layer) decreased: Moscow in 2, and Petrograd even in 3 times. According to minimal estimates, there were 1,5 – 2 million people in emigration, of whom at least one third belonged to the educated layer, and finally, tens of thousands of representatives of this layer (not counted as emigrants) remained in territories that fled from the country (in the Baltic States, Poland, Finland, the western part of Ukraine and Belarus) ..... The remnants of the old intellectual layer could not show open hostility, their main ideology was “shift work”, which on the one hand provided them with relative security, and on the other hand gave them eral justification of the work of the Bolsheviks, they needed very badly. As a result of an informal conversation in 1922 in Moscow with 230 engineers (including 45 of former owners, directors, etc.), the following data were obtained: 46 expressed indifference to Soviet power, 28 - sympathy, 12 - hostility, and 110 turned out to be “shift workers” {23}.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 9 January 2018 05: 43 New
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                    Teachers. In 1918 – 1920 in 44 provinces, 2 autonomous regions and 3 autonomous republics of the RSFSR, there were 111521 people. In 1921, in all institutions of the social education system, there were 351 thousand teachers - mainly in primary school (7,5% had higher and incomplete higher education, 62% had secondary education, only 12% had special training versus 51,5% in 1915 g ., about 50% had experience of 3 – 4 years, and 47% were between the ages of 18 and 25 years).
                    Doctors In 1918 – 1919 according to the civil department of 39 provinces, there were 8523 physicians of the middle and highest categories, more than 16 thousand doctors, not including nursing personnel, were listed on various military and civilian departments {28}. By 25.02.1920, in the territory of the Soviets (without Ukraine), there were 24 thousand doctors (of which 40% in the army) and about 60 thousand nurses. In 1921, in the USSR, 20,5 thousand doctors and 61,2 thousand nurses {29} were registered.
                    Specialists in manufacturing industries. The number of directors and engineers of 2029 operating enterprises in 1917 was 17906, and in 1918 - 15338 people. According to the data of the All-Russian Industrial and Professional Census from 31 on August 1918, the engineering and technical personnel amounted to 109574 people for all types of production. In August 1919, the Main Bureau of Accounting and Distribution of Scientific and Technical Forces registered 29722 specialists (including 15113 with higher education and 6265 with secondary specialized education), in 1920 it had 50275 people. (23986 or 47% with higher education and 12387 or 24% with secondary specialized education). In 1920, 14890 specialists served in the VSNH system, 4936 in the People's Commissariat, 9287 in transport and construction, 8234 in the electrical industry, 5123 in the chemical industry, 3253 in mining and metallurgy, and 19627 in agriculture. Of these, 1493 people Graduated from 1918 – 1921 In 1922 – 1923 The People’s Commissariat of Labor took into account 38385 industry and transport specialists and 1836 agricultural specialists (in the RSFSR - 83%, in Ukraine 16%, and in Moscow and Petrograd - 37%). Of engineering and engineering higher education had 41,6%, secondary special - 30%. Their average experience was 14 – 16 years (up to 5 years - 15, 5%). Among the agronomic staff (15375 people), 27,7% and the same specialized secondary had higher education, and 44,6% were “practitioners”. In 1927, there were 50,8 thousand specialists at the Supreme Economic Council (including 15422 with higher education and 15415 with secondary specialized education). In 1928, 233 thousand people had higher education, and secondary specialized - 288. 24,2 thousand engineers and engineers with special education worked in industry (without a management apparatus) (0,92% of the number of employees), including 13,7 thousand engineers (0,52%), in agriculture - 17,8 thousand specialists, including 9,3 thousand with higher and 8,5 thousand with secondary specialized education.
                    The figures are a stubborn thing, although he is an anti-Soviet and makes specific conclusions, but the general tendency is clear.
                    1. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 9 January 2018 06: 49 New
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                      It doesn’t get restless ... Illiteracy as well as homelessness appeared under the Communists. Before the revolution, there was a parish school at every church (which you blew up and destroyed), there were no illiterates in Tsarist Russia.
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 9 January 2018 19: 40 New
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                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        There were no illiterates in Tsarist Russia.

                        Do not whistle. My grandfather was taught to read and write in the Red Army, and my mother, who went to church and parish school for a year, said that apart from prayers, they didn’t learn anything else, she received her basic education already in educational program in the 20s. Father also went to a Soviet school in 1918.
                      2. Dalailama
                        Dalailama 10 January 2018 01: 21 New
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                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Do not whistle.

                        You whistle with your grandfather (who was supposed to bayonet in the ground and not go to fight on the side of the Red Trotskyist terrorists with the people). In the central vocational school went from 2 to 4 classes. Next is a vocational school or gymnasium. Only the mentally retarded were illiterate, and this can now be seen more often
              3. avva2012
                avva2012 9 January 2018 08: 11 New
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                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin Frank lie. Read the study on literacy in the Republic of Ingushetia:
                I'm reading.
                The collection "Zemsky courtyard censuses 1880-1913gg.
                This data is not about educated people, but about: literate, semi-literate, and students. The highest percentage of literate, semi-literate, and rural students in the Moscow province is 41,7%. Tver province - 34,1%. Olonets province - 30,4%. Tula province - 28,5% Kharkov province - 25,1% Poltava province - 23,7% Vologda province - 22,0% Novgorod province - 21,6% Kaluga province - 20,3% Samara province - 19,5% Simbirsk province - 15,6% 14,8%. Note that these are central regions / provinces. The general statistics also include the outskirts, of course. If to summarize the entire population of RI, then?
                Distribution of students in elementary schools in Russia in 1911 by the duration of study: In cities: Percentage of students in elementary school 1 year - 42,1% Percentage of students in elementary school about 1 years to 3 years - 47,55%
                Percentage of students in elementary school over 3 years - 10,35%
                In the villages: Percentage of students in elementary school 1 year - 43,4% Percentage of students in elementary school about 1 years to 3 years - 47,0% Percentage of students in elementary school over 3 years - 9,6%. http://www.great-country.ru/articles/history/hist
                ory_3 / 00034.html
                These statistics are for the terms "semi-literate" and "literate." You know how to count a little, read elementary text, "fit." With royal consent, the peasants were allowed to submit "petitions." For example: 1905 July 17. - The petition of the peasants of the Khotebtsovsky volost of the Ruzsky district of the Moscow province to Nicholas II
                We suffer from uneducation. In zemstvo schools, we barely learn to read and write, and in parish schools — even less so; neither gymnasiums nor agricultural schools are accessible to our children, not to mention universities. We do not have enough hospitals and medical personnel, which is seriously affecting our health, we have almost no veterinary care, which causes our cattle to suffer and die. We do not have educated priests, and yet the priest must serve as the leader of the people, and the current priests, by their ignorance, do not satisfy us, and the high requisitions for their fulfillment are difficult for us. We suffer from low land, and the master's, cabinet, monastery, specific lands surround us and we must pay a high rent in order to use them. http://www.online812.ru/2010/11/29/017/ There are others, though about the clergy, but also interesting. And in general, here is what a competent person should read if he is interested in the life of ordinary people in the Republic of Ingushetia: Senchakova Larisa Timofeevna Sentences and orders of peasants of Central Russia. 1905 — 1907 Collection of documents. Ed. V.P. Danilova and A.P. Korelina. A small document: No.291 1907 March - The order of the peasants of the 2-th Pavelkovsky society of the Balakhna district of the Nizhny Novgorod province in the II State Duma
                We, the peasants of the 2 Pavelkovsky society of the Balakhna district, having been at a gathering in the presence of a village headman, had a judgment about the reasons that brought the Russian people to such a disastrous disenfranchised situation. True unrest and unrest is a product of the Stolypin government. Can there be a right life where military courts and the death penalty reign, where thousands of people languish in prisons and where hungry cries for bread are heard throughout Russia. In view of this, we, the peasants, of the Pavelkovsky society, through our deputy Mikhail Semenovich Fokeev, demand from the State Duma, first of all:
                1) Abolition of the military courts and the death penalty.
                2) Responsibilities of the Ministry.
                3) Take away all the land (monastic, church, specific, cabinet) without redemption and transfer them to the hands of the working people on an equal footing.
                4) Take the land from large private owners without redemption, and from small ones, according to a fair assessment.
                5) Cancellations of zemstvo chiefs.
                6) Election of people's representatives on the basis of universal direct, secret ballot. By exposing these requirements, we firmly believe that they will soon be implemented. Followed by 217 signatures. RGIA. F. 1278 (2). On. 2. 1907. D. 787. LL 355-556 Handwritten script.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 7 January 2018 06: 57 New
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    In the first photo ... Well, what kind of dugout is it .... Not even a dugout ... And many thanks for the photo.
    1. OAV09081974
      7 January 2018 07: 16 New
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      Dear 210OKV
      What I really like in quotes on the BO is the categorical judgment of commentators.
      I enclose a photo with the original signature - for the number 2, where it is written - TREE IN THE GROUND.
      Could it be true that the military correspondent of those years knew this worse than the citizens of the Russian Federation 100 years ago? wink With all due respect - I doubt

      With the Great Feast of readers and members of the VO hi
      1. 210ox
        210ox 7 January 2018 08: 08 New
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        Alexey Vladimirovich hi Happy Holiday! Our young generation who has learned to copy links and descriptions to photographs does not think about whether I paste a link or a photo there. And there are postcards for Victory Day with Wehrmacht soldiers and NATO equipment. And even if they understand, then for that PAID the rest do not care ..
        Quote: OAV09081974
        Dear 210OKV
        What I really like in quotes on the BO is the categorical judgment of commentators.
        I enclose a photo with the original signature - for the number 2, where it is written - TREE IN THE GROUND.
        Could it be true that the military correspondent of those years knew this worse than the citizens of the Russian Federation 100 years ago? wink With all due respect - I doubt

        With the Great Feast of readers and members of the VO hi
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 January 2018 08: 26 New
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          In WWII, partisans of Medvedev’s detachment also did dugouts. The whole house was dismantled, transported to the forest, and buried.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 7 January 2018 12: 09 New
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            Well, there are windows and a fireplace .. Something like this ...
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            In WWII, partisans of Medvedev’s detachment also did dugouts. The whole house was dismantled, transported to the forest, and buried.
        2. OAV09081974
          7 January 2018 08: 34 New
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          I try to approach carefully both the texts and the illustrations. Especially considering the level of the VO forum. Of course, we are all not without sin - but without any basis and frivolously following a creative line, I do not do anything. After all, reputation, in my opinion, is more expensive than any money.
          If the real mistake is always Thanks for the comments.
          And thank you for your congratulations!
          Mutually drinks
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 7 January 2018 09: 11 New
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            hi
            Quote: OAV09081974
            I try to approach carefully both texts and illustrations. Especially considering the level of the VO forum. Of course, we are all not without sin - but I do nothing unreasonably and frivolously in the creative line. After all, the reputation, in my opinion, is more expensive than any moneyMr.

            For this you are loved and appreciated, and links to your articles, in view of this, very authoritative.
            Once again, with the Holidays! hi
            1. OAV09081974
              7 January 2018 09: 26 New
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              Thank you dear Olgovich! hi
              Mutually!
          2. Cat
            Cat 7 January 2018 10: 18 New
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            And if in essence?
            We take open the dictionary and compare both concepts!
            ZEMLYANKA, the simplest kind of temporary living quarters dug in the ground or deepened into it, with a roof covered with an earthen mound. Depending on the purpose and building material of the West, there are various types: winter, summer, pole, board, etc. 3. find their main use during the war, being the most common type of so-called. non-defensive buildings.

            BLINDAGE - permanent or temporary fortification underground structure for protection against machine gun, artillery, mortar fire, napalm and weapons of mass destruction and for rest of personnel. By its design, it resembles a log house, completely buried underground. Since these structures were built mainly in wartime to accommodate headquarters, field hospitals, etc., they tried to make them as hidden as possible from the eyes of the enemy.

            Well, what's in the exhaust?
            In fact, both structures were dug into the ground with only one fundamental difference in purpose. But from here the subtleties begin. If the dugout in the rear did not have to have two or three overlapping logs. That they had a dugout was simply obliged, as protection against artillery or mortar fire.
            We look at the photos and? We see a gable roof with a ridge! So the Author today and the Photographer a century ago were more faithful in claiming that the photograph shows a dugout, not a dugout.
            Although, to be honest in the photo, a typical Russian capture cut down in the form of a half dugout. But the average man of that time vse-viously called this dwelling a dugout.
            Regards, Your Cat! Do not get rid of the void.
            1. Cat
              Cat 7 January 2018 11: 15 New
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              A few diagrams and illustrations!
              Dugout.
            2. Cat
              Cat 7 January 2018 11: 17 New
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              Dugout scheme!
            3. Cat
              Cat 7 January 2018 11: 30 New
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              Scheme of a half-dugout! Immediately make a reservation the concept of a half-dugout is more archaeological and has circulation in the scientific community. In everyday life, these structures were called mainly dugouts by the type of structure or by the designation of huts, winter roads, booths, cellars, etc.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 January 2018 14: 53 New
                +6
                Quote: Kotischa
                Semi-darting scheme

                And what is this two-hole crap? Stove? Where is the pipe?
                1. Cat
                  Cat 7 January 2018 15: 36 New
                  +9
                  Dear Vladimir, unfortunately I have not found a half-dugout scheme of a modern type. So this is a reconstruction of the dwelling of the 9th-13th centuries A.D. And bullshit with two holes a hearth. They sculpted it from rubble stone and clay. Drowned in black. However, the final transition from black "heating" to white "with a chimney" was completed in the days of Alexander III. Although the last time I was basking in a "black" bathhouse in your homeland in Mordovia. We have no such exotic in the Urals.
                  Here, no offense, the guys (your fellow countrymen) brought a special bathhouse from the village, where they still found one.
          3. Mikado
            Mikado 8 January 2018 03: 50 New
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            I try to approach carefully both texts and illustrations. Especially considering the level of the VO forum.

            bow wisely! hi
            Alexey Vladimirovich, I join a number of forum users - Merry Christmas!
  3. Cat
    Cat 7 January 2018 06: 58 New
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    Thank you very much to the author for the selection of photos!
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 7 January 2018 09: 27 New
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      Quote: Kotischa
      Thank you very much to the author for the selection of photos!

      Merry Christmas to all, health, patience, prosperity to you and your families. hi
      1. Cat
        Cat 7 January 2018 10: 59 New
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        Thank you very much !!! It only remains to join your congratulations !!!
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 7 January 2018 07: 24 New
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    A parrot was giving me a ticket happiness .... Thank you, interesting photos ...
  5. soldier
    soldier 7 January 2018 08: 03 New
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    Probably the author of the poem is Sergey Petrovich Mikheev
    Colonel and Knight of St. George's Arms
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 7 January 2018 08: 19 New
    +4
    Glory to Poklonskaya and saints Vladimir and Nikolai!
  7. Monarchist
    Monarchist 7 January 2018 09: 11 New
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    Merry Christmas everyone! Orthodoxy is part of our history, and forgetting your history is a sin.
    Narodnik, you say: “It turns out that Vera wasn’t needed,” but I remembered the story of a guy, a participant, a second Chechen one: before Aramia, he looked at Christmas as a beautiful attribute of the past and thought that in the modern world it’s all superfluous, but in real combat situations and with different eyes looked at the priest. Already in civilian life, he has a completely different attitude to Christmas.
    1. populist
      populist 7 January 2018 13: 33 New
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      Monarchist
      Merry Christmas everyone! Orthodoxy is part of our history, and forgetting your history is a sin.

      True, it is a sin to forget Perun with Sventovit.
      Narodnik, you say: “It turns out that Vera wasn’t needed,” but I remembered the story of a guy, a participant, a second Chechen one: before Aramia, he looked at Christmas as a beautiful attribute of the past and thought that in the modern world it’s all superfluous, but in real combat situations and with different eyes looked at the priest.

      Can you imagine how a simple Aztec guy believed after his battle in his god Witzley-Putzli, and a simple Indian guy believed after his battle in his god Juggernaut.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 7 January 2018 14: 20 New
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        Quote: populist
        True, it is a sin to forget Perun with Sventovit.


        It’s immediately obvious that you didn’t communicate with the real participants in the hostilities. Today is full of stories of people who became Christians in the war. Because they managed to be saved from certain death by those who turned to God or Christian saints. The histories of neopagans, with the mention of their deities, I have not met on the network, nor have I personally heard. Although it was possible to communicate with different people, and neopagans, too.
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 7 January 2018 09: 34 New
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    Quote: Varyag_0711
    DalaiLama Today, 07:07 ↑ New
    Are you talking about 1941 or about 1914 when Russia at least bothered to declare war?
    Ta wi sho? In 1914, Russia may have declared war, only Russia entered the war itself, so to speak, of its own accord, thanks to Tsar Hoopoe. And by the way, the war was declared to us upon the fact of our mobilization, that is, it doesn’t matter whether or not it was declared to us, we got involved in it anyway earlier. As far as I remember, in 1941, although we were preparing for the war, we were not in a hurry to join it!

    Varangian, if you remember, Samsonov had a whole series of materials about events on the eve of the WWII? Indeed, if you look at the fact that RI was forced to enter the war, and there was not everything clear. Do you remember what served as a pretext for WWII? The shots of Gavrila Princip and guilty ultimately made Serbia. Russia had the option to skip: in the figs to us Serbs, let Austria-Hungary get out of the Middle. How then in terms of morality looked? Yes, England and France in that war were deciding their interests, amRussia, as they say, "went for the company," but it would not have been possible to sit aside
  9. Monarchist
    Monarchist 7 January 2018 09: 46 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Tore off Russian men from their families... of their home ... did they really need this bourgeois war to redistribute the world.

    Defending the Fatherland men always "tear" away from invaders. So it was in 1812, it was so in 1941. Always.
    Who was left with the family, was left without the Fatherland.

    I congratulate all participants in HAPPY VICTORY Russian people in World War II 1812 over "twenty languages." It was celebrated every Christmas, according to the Imperial Manifesto. Today is Christmas!
    Canceled by the "Russophiles" - "Russian" Communists, who blew up the main monuments dedicated to this war.
    All Orthodox -Merry Christmas! hi
    Many thanks to the author, and also on Holidays!

    Thank you for your congratulations. And comrades with "simple Russian surnames" God judge them. Not you, not me and no one else can change what happened
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 7 January 2018 10: 21 New
      +2
      Not you, not me and no one else can change what happened

      smile That's right ... but honestly ...
      Now, would you dare to get involved in a new world war under the same conditions as in 1914?
      After all, we should learn at least some lessons from the past ... so that this does not happen again and again.
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 7 January 2018 10: 42 New
        +5
        This then repeated in 1941, the meaning of your question?
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 7 January 2018 11: 18 New
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          In April 1941, Hitler followed by the Germans (including the Austrians) first destroyed Yugoslavia, which did not threaten anyone, then attacked the USSR.
          In 1914, if Russia had allowed Serbia to be torn to pieces right away, then it would not have sat out like that.
          He and his "how dare you mobilize" ultimatums that could disrupt their Schlieffen plans simply wanted a war and they were confident in themselves. This problem was solved only in 1945, it seems again temporarily. And that was only because Stalin shot 239 thousand of your fifth convoy before WWII, and Stolypin outweighed only 2 thousand (who had killed about 30 thousand of the best representatives of the Russian people before with bombs).
          The people who choose between shame and war shame, ultimately receive both.
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 7 January 2018 11: 41 New
            +3
            According to the results of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78, then there was the Berlin Congress with the participation of all world powers, which canceled all the victories of Russia in that war, and transferred them to Austria. The pro-German elite was planted in Bulgaria, and only Serbia gained independence, then they decided to eat it too. The Sarajevo Masonic shot only fell on rich German soil that was heated by newspapers that were not owned by an Englishwoman who didn’t crap, and also lost order in the WWII trenches.
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 8 January 2018 09: 02 New
        +2
        Lech, and who am I to get involved in WWI? This is the first, and the second: “What was not coming back, what will not be known. Today remains” (St. A. F. Romanov)
  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist 7 January 2018 09: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: Gardamir
    Glory to Poklonskaya and saints Vladimir and Nikolai!

    And here Poklonskaya and Christmas?
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 7 January 2018 10: 09 New
      +2
      What does Nikolai have to do with it? It should have been Dmitry.
  11. Monarchist
    Monarchist 7 January 2018 09: 55 New
    +5
    Quote: OAV09081974
    I try to approach carefully both the texts and the illustrations. Especially considering the level of the VO forum. Of course, we are all not without sin - but without any basis and frivolously following a creative line, I do not do anything. After all, reputation, in my opinion, is more expensive than any money.
    If the real mistake is always Thanks for the comments.
    And thank you for your congratulations!
    Mutually drinks

    It is good when the author admits his mistakes: "the one who does nothing is not mistaken." You have good photos, thanks.
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 7 January 2018 10: 11 New
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      Quote: OAV09081974
      I try to approach carefully both texts and illustrations.

      The second on top is "10 Indigents"?
      1. Cat
        Cat 7 January 2018 11: 53 New
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        In defense of the Author!
        The question is, how do you feel about the canvases of the artists of battle painters? To the comics? Filmstrips? The theater of light and shadow?
        Now grab and mix everything in one palette!
        What is the bottom line? Illustrations of the pages of the album of the outstanding artist, participant in the events of the PMV M.A. Lisovsky. By the way, whose work will decorate any article! So this illustration, especially in a similar technique, is a "fat plus" to the author of the article.
        Bookend of the first album of M.A. Lisovsky.
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 7 January 2018 12: 01 New
          +1
          Where is the french bird and the british lion? The subject of tormented Serbia is not disclosed.
          the second picture in the article has a much greater occult potential.
          1. Cat
            Cat 7 January 2018 12: 14 New
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            Hmm Maleho You even brought me into prostration. In this connection, I put "+" to you.
            And now again, but from a different side.
            I throw a few pictures of M. Lisovsky from the first and second albums.




            .... conclusions from you dear!
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 7 January 2018 12: 30 New
              +2
              Same. Your comrade worked systematically.
              1. Cat
                Cat 7 January 2018 12: 51 New
                +6
                Quote: DalaiLama
                Same. Your comrade worked systematically.
                .....? Explain please ....
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 7 January 2018 14: 19 New
                  +2
                  There is no great occult difference. 10 blacks will disappear or 10 million Russians.
      2. XII Legion
        XII Legion 7 January 2018 21: 37 New
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        Dalailama
        The second on top is "10 Indigents"?

        These are not just sketches of a direct participant in the campaign in East Prussia - from “bell to bell”, but, as I understand from the content of the drawings — an officer of the Gurkin 1st Cavalry Division. The database of which was devoted to a series of articles in the EP at HE.
        And Kitty is absolutely right in saying
        Illustrations of the pages of the album of the outstanding artist, participant in the events of the PMV M.A. Lisovsky. By the way, whose work will decorate any article!

        It is also about the source
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 7 January 2018 23: 34 New
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          Everybody must have their people
  12. Korsar4
    Korsar4 7 January 2018 10: 07 New
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    Merry Christmas!

    Good selection of photos.
  13. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 7 January 2018 14: 23 New
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    Great article and a wonderful selection of photos! You look at them and you immediately feel your own, dear, that the people in the photo, despite a hundred years of difference, are close and dear to you. To the author, my heartfelt gratitude for the work done and a bow to the Christmas mood!
  14. NF68
    NF68 7 January 2018 16: 11 New
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    + + + + + + + + + +
    1. Cat
      Cat 7 January 2018 17: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: NF68
      + + + + + + + + + +

      Dear Nicholas, as always in his repertoire !!! hi
  15. Barcid
    Barcid 7 January 2018 18: 24 New
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    Amazingly interesting. Happy holiday to all.
  16. dSK
    dSK 8 January 2018 03: 09 New
    +6
    Quote: Barcid
    Amazingly interesting.

    All Orthodox Merry Christmas! hi
    1. dSK
      dSK 8 January 2018 10: 01 New
      +2
      (gif postcard, has three plans, when viewed separately from the site.)
  17. avva2012
    avva2012 8 January 2018 08: 23 New
    +1
    Reptiloid,
    Dark ages have already come. Good morning, Dmitry!
    1. dSK
      dSK 8 January 2018 10: 20 New
      +2
      Hello, Alexander!
      Quote: avva2012
      have already arrived.
      Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban called refugees arriving in Europe “Muslim invaders” and said that his country does not intend to accept migrants in the future - “We do not consider these people Muslim refugees. We see them as Muslim invaders, reports.” RIA News.
      The Hungarians did not forget Suleiman the Magnificent. hi
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 8 January 2018 10: 51 New
        +2
        The descendants of Suleiman, also the last two hundred years, did not count them as people. But, I’m talking about something else, about our healthcare, education, and the economy is dark, as ...
  18. ICT
    ICT 8 January 2018 10: 33 New
    +1
    [quote] [quote] Front Christmas [/ quote [/ quote]
    even gee words about fraternization
    1. XII Legion
      XII Legion 8 January 2018 10: 47 New
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      This fraternization on the French front - it took place on the first military Christmas between the Germans and the Allies.
      And what does the Russian front have to do with it?
      An article about the collective image of Christmas - as it was noted by Russian soldiers and officers at the front in 1914 - 1916.
      It should be clear
      1. ICT
        ICT 8 January 2018 13: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: XII Legion
        An article about the collective image of Christmas - as it was noted by Russian soldiers and officers at the front in 1914

        well, so am I about the same
        14 year December
        north west
        1. XII Legion
          XII Legion 8 January 2018 13: 40 New
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          I wrote - that the 1st photo shows the British and German during the "Christmas" truce of 1914
  19. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 8 January 2018 11: 04 New
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    avva2012,
    Quote: avva2012
    the workers and peasants sent Duhonin to the division, why, they built in 25 years, the second state of the world,

    Do not make me laugh. The Dzhugashvilevsky USSR was a half-poor, extremely militarized state and did not even pull on the "second state of the world".
    Recalls M. L. Sandler: “All the soldiers were well dressed, shod in boots. They fed in the army even better than we would have on a “citizen”. They ate porridge with meat every day, except for the so-called “fish” day. The soldiers were given shag, paid a salary, it seems - seven rubles a month. For this money they bought tooth powder, gateways, but they could not afford to buy cigarettes, since a pack cost 35 kopecks. I don’t remember that remittances from home were allowed. Pomkomvzvoda received 36 rubles a month, foreman-over-conscript had a salary of almost 500 rubles + rations. Many of the children sought to remain in the army for long-term service. ” But in the country, the card system of food distribution was canceled only in the late 30s. It was hard to buy more or less decent clothes. In winter, people wore “turned” clothing, that is, converted from old, still pre-revolutionary, clothing, flaunted in the old Red Army uniform in summer or put on linen trousers and canvas shoes. They lived in crowded cities - fifty families each in the former lordly apartments, and almost no new housing was built.
    https://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/1017901/0/
    Drabkin _-_ 22_iyunya._Chernyy_den_kalendarya.html
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 8 January 2018 11: 16 New
      +2
      Extremely Militarized? What was to be done? Katz Teterin offers to give up?
      Well, they gave up, and even took the enemy’s weapons. True, the USSR was a humane state and they managed to get married, raise children, grandchildren and impress upon them: "The Dzhugashvilevsky USSR was half-poor ...."
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 8 January 2018 11: 56 New
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        Quote: avva2012
        What was to be done?

        Do not massively kill officers of the tsarist army who agreed to serve the Bolsheviks. Do not expel royal engineers from the country. Not to promote the ideas of the “world revolution” and not to support the terrorists from the Third International, because thanks to these actions the USSR was looked upon as a country of dangerous maniacs who were ready to attack their neighbors for ideological reasons at any time. Although this was not so, the USSR was not preparing to “carry on the bayonets of revolution”, but the Soviet leadership did nothing to create a positive image of the country on the world stage. It was also possible to help the bleeding France in May 1940, because the fanatical Dzhugashvili had delusional opus of Hitler back in 1933 and knew what the Nazi leader was thinking about the USSR. One could help the dying Poland in September 1939. The Poles, in exchange for maintaining their statehood, would be gladly given away to Western Belarus and Ukraine. A lot of things could be done. But the semi-literate, half-educated seminarist preferred to sit out in proud solitude, militarizing the country and cherishing the insane hope that "the imperialists will be scuffed and the Red Army will free everyone." His utopian plans cost our people tens of millions of lives.
        Quote: avva2012
        managed to get married, raise children, grandchildren and impress upon them: "The Dzhugashvilevsky USSR was half-poor ...."

        Impress, say ... You generally read my previous message. I quoted a WWII veteran Mikhail L. Sandler, the man who spent the first to the last day of the war in the Army. He fought with Bandera. http://www.peoples.ru/state/citizen/mihail_sandle
        r / And you:
        Quote: avva2012
        took the weapon of the enemy.
        ... And do not you feel ashamed to pour mud on a veteran for the sake of your worldview?
        1. dSK
          dSK 8 January 2018 14: 35 New
          +3
          Hello Lieutenant Teterin!
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          e mass kill officers of the tsarist army, who agreed to serve the Bolsheviks. Do not expel royal engineers from the country.
          And what victims were then caught up in the space and nuclear race. Mother said that in the two post-war years, hunger was stronger than "military". hi
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 9 January 2018 04: 44 New
            +1
            he was just stronger, cosmo-nuclear wouldn’t eat so much
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 8 January 2018 15: 07 New
          +1
          Lieutenant, the question was about "militarization", and not about what needed to be done and what was not needed.
          You specifically wrote, “The USSR was a half-poor, extremely militarized state,” that is, you suggested that before the coming war, there was no need to arm yourself, that is, to militarize.
          I understand that, as your ideological associates, you would have met the Nazis with "bread and salt".
          About the veteran, I didn’t say a word, but I mean, after the donks from the ROA.
          Well, about everything else. We defeated both your “whites” and the Nazis. By “we,” I mean, the communist idea. And, at least what you do, but they hanged and hang traitors. And those who slip in life will provide themselves with a “warm” place, after. Until your time, here, but there is also the USSR and the people in it, for the most part, honestly worked and lived honestly.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 8 January 2018 15: 57 New
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            Quote: avva2012
            They suggested that before the impending war, it was not necessary to arm themselves, i.e., to militarize.

            Do you indulge in sophistry again? In my speech, did you intentionally not notice the word “ultimately” before the word “militarized”?
            Arming before the inevitable war can be done in different ways. You can, like Kaiser Germany, increasing the prestige of military service and preparing the economy for a mobilization increase in military production. And it is possible — like the USSR or North Korea, directing a disproportionate amount of resources into the defense industry, to the detriment of other sectors of the national economy.
            Quote: avva2012
            I understand that, as your ideological associates, you would have met the Nazis with "bread and salt".

            Have you decided to insult? This is good — you have no other argument. So you know, the Nazis met with bread and salt Soviet citizensand my ideological associates — General Denikin, who refused to cooperate with the Nazis, and the philosopher Ivan Ilyin, who was persecuted by the Gestapo and fettered in Germany — did not give a hand to the Nazis.
            Quote: avva2012
            We defeated both your “whites” and the Nazis.

            How white you won won was shown in 1991, when the whole USSR looked indifferently at the signing of the Bialowieza Agreements.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 8 January 2018 17: 25 New
              +1
              White won, didn’t he? Wrangel, who arrived on a warship of a foreign state, to Russia, in what year was sent back under the knee backside? And 1991 year, and where?
              About the "Soviet citizens" is not necessary. Those who went to serve the Nazis ceased to be not only Soviet, but also citizens. But about the Russian security corps in Yugoslavia from the former, knights of the white movement, do not want to say anything? 12 thousand by the way. And they fought defending the entrusted property with the only ones who did not transfer us to the Balkans, with the Serbs. Do you also want to talk about how the numerous “daughters” of the ROVS welcomed the attack on the USSR? You have the only "bright spot" Denikin, who was on the content of the British, he yes, did not say anything for the invasion. But, England by that time had already fought with Germany for two years. How do you think the curators reacted to Denikin if he wrote the opposite? And so, the “whites” actively helped the Japanese, and the Germans. Nonsense, of course, think of a translator in the German army. He didn’t kill himself, right?
              Not Kaiser Germany in 41 attacked the USSR, but Hitler. You are confusing something. Lightly as usual. And what you said is clear. You are against the fact that the USSR survived. And do not drag here the DPRK, well done, Koreans, they showed cookies to your current owners. We would be so!
              "Have you decided to insult?"
              Can I offend you? Than? Call who you are? This is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. You yourself write everything about yourself perfectly.
              Yes, still, I have a habit. This is called "work indirectly." An interesting fact, but for some reason only you mentioned China and the DPRK. About China, in general, new information, there was no such stuffing before. Both countries, by the way, are enemies of the United States. And the militarization of the United States does not bother you. Strange, right?
              1. Dalailama
                Dalailama 9 January 2018 04: 45 New
                +1
                Defeated the Russians
                again you forgot about the "green".
        3. Dalailama
          Dalailama 9 January 2018 04: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          The Poles, in exchange for maintaining their statehood, Western Belarus and Ukraine would gladly give.

          the Poles refused this, they even abandoned the collective defense pact against the Germans.
        4. Dalailama
          Dalailama 9 January 2018 06: 23 New
          +1
          And why are you all about bad Stalin, but not a word about bad Trotsky, lieutenant?
  20. Conductor
    Conductor 8 January 2018 11: 48 New
    0
    Who can explain what is happening with the site? It’s buggy, it's hard to enter. Moreover, from different computers and with different connections to no, even with a very good speed.
  21. Albatroz
    Albatroz 8 January 2018 16: 44 New
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    This article helps to see the everyday life of war workers in a moment of joy.
    What a rarity.
    After all, basically the style of pure military
    So thanks!
  22. Ilya77
    Ilya77 8 January 2018 19: 33 New
    +1
    Kolya told me that he had met two almost naked children in Ostrov - in tattered rags, in black and wet, matted bast shoes. They dragged brushwood, saw Kolya - they were frightened, cried ... And for this people they require magic lanterns! They demand wisdom, patriotism, messianism from this people! O thieves, villains!

    I’m still thinking about the lies in the newspapers about the patriotism of the people. And the peasants are so bored with the war that no one is even interested in telling us how we are doing. "Why, it's time to quit."

    From the diaries of I. Bunin for April 1916
    1. Albatroz
      Albatroz 8 January 2018 19: 47 New
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      The great patriot Bunin ... lol
      And the recording of one uncle (albeit Bunin) is an episode embellished with his personal fantasies.
      And a Russian soldier will prove patriotism on the battlefield - a month after entoy recording, on the fields of the Brusilovsky breakthrough good
      1. Ilya77
        Ilya77 9 January 2018 09: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Albatroz
        The great patriot Bunin ... lol
        And the recording of one uncle (albeit Bunin) is an episode embellished with his personal fantasies.
        And a Russian soldier will prove patriotism on the battlefield - a month after entoy recording, on the fields of the Brusilovsky breakthrough good


        And in a couple of years, the people will prove patriotism - they will finally shoot the bloody tyrant, whose family kept the Russian people under oppression for three hundred years.
        1. Albatroz
          Albatroz 9 January 2018 13: 47 New
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          So bloody - horror.
          Especially when compared with the subsequent bacchanalia.
          However, every life is priceless.
          On the contrary - many of those who were not spanked (they turned out to be at the resort - hunted rabbits), then - they thanked well.
  23. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 10 January 2018 02: 14 New
    0
    Quote: DalaiLama
    You whistle with your grandfather (who was supposed to bayonet in the ground and not go to fight on the side of the Red Trotskyist terrorists with the people). In the central vocational school went from 2 to 4 classes. Next is a vocational school or gymnasium. Only the mentally retarded were illiterate, and this can now be seen more often

    1. My grandfather fought in the Red Army in the Red Army for the future of his children, and while he was alive, you all hid in the crevices and did not stick out with your lies.
    2. It was your bourgeois ancestors who had the opportunity to go to study, but the peasant children from poor families had one thing to do - hard work from dawn to dawn.
    3. And at the expense of illiteracy, you yourself have already shown it twice in this forum. You write, and you don’t even know, that there were real schools in tsarist Russia, and craft schools appeared after the Great Patriotic War.
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 10 January 2018 03: 38 New
      +1
      Your grandfather, who was "tired of the war with the Germans," then immediately took part in the civil war, killed the Russians, fighting on the side of the Red Trotskyist terrorists, in order to ensure the future of his children.
      There were craftsmen before the revolution. They taught crafts. Or there were no crafts in Russia, as well as writing?
      a difficult life was usually in those few children whose parents drank from dawn to dawn.
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 10 January 2018 03: 51 New
        +1
        Corporal punishment was applied to such family drunkards in Tsarist Russia. Could this somehow have an additional effect on the revolutionary orientation?
      2. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 10 January 2018 23: 04 New
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        Quote: DalaiLama
        a difficult life was usually in those few children whose parents drank from dawn to dawn.

        My grandfather, with millions of Red Army men like him, really provided a future for the children of all working people, and I am proud of him, and your parasitic ancestors, who threw them off the national hump, being in the minority, called on the interventionists to help them sit on the neck again and parasitize.
        And we have already heard the explanations of all drunkenness, all the anti-advisers explain it that way, they don’t want to admit that they have torn the working people to the core.
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 11 January 2018 04: 04 New
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          Your grandfather is an admirer of intelligent Trotsky, with the same red terrorists, who put tens of millions of Russians, mostly peasants, into the ground. Providing the future of their children later in sanatoriums.
          So to the thread that we ourselves didn’t have enough for vodka and a marafet.
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 11 January 2018 18: 31 New
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            Quote: DalaiLama
            Your grandfather is an admirer of intelligent Trotsky, with the same red terrorists, who put tens of millions of Russians, mostly peasants, into the ground.

            No, dear, my grandfather, along with peasants like him, smashed the gangs of whites and interventionists whom the whites called for help to again sit on the neck of the working people and continue to parasitize. And the peasants mobilized into the white army understood this and massively sided with the Reds.
  24. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 11 January 2018 17: 59 New
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    Quote: verner1967
    For the illiterate: all four articles provide for punishment for counter-revolutionary crimes, the struggle against the revolutionary movement, counter-revolutionary sabotage, i.e. action against the existing communist regime


    Quote: DalaiLama
    DalaiLama Today, 03: 56 ↑
    Why should he be able to read if he can write


    Dear wiseacres, well, quote me where in what part of the 58th article it is written that there are "the punishment for renouncing the faith ... communist" .
    You, dear ones, have forgotten how to understand the Russian language yourself, one of the Dalai Lamas is patched up under the German flag, the other is named with the German name Werner, you see the translator from German is weak, not all Russian words are understood.
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 11 January 2018 19: 51 New
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      Quote: Alexander Green
      in which part of article 58 it is written that there is “a punishment for renouncing the faith ... communist”.

      oo-oo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o .... What do you think counter-revolutionary activity is? Any Communist who questioned the party’s general line, but did not hesitate along with it, as an opportunist immediately sewed 58-10, and if he did something, then from 58-11 to 58-14 depending on the zeal’s zeal.
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 11 January 2018 23: 27 New
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        Quote: verner1967
        -y -yy .... how everything is started .... What do you think counter-revolutionary activity is? Any Communist who questioned the party’s general line, but did not hesitate along with it, as an opportunist immediately sewed 58-10, and if he did something, then from 58-11 to 58-14 depending on the zeal’s zeal

        Article 58 - provides for penalties for counter-revolutionary crimes, not for "Renunciation of faith ... communist". What kind of communist faith can the enemies of the people have? The enemies of the collective farm system? The enemies of socialism? The enemies of the Soviet state? There is such a Russian proverb: “But they don’t beat the wolf because he’s gray, but because he ate the sheep”, therefore, all those convicted under Article 58 were punished for their specific crimes.

        And the fact that you are so obsessively engaging readers of the forum, who understand the Russian language, relates to your explanatory information, as Kozma Prutkov taught: “If you read the inscription“ Buffalo ”on the elephant’s cage, don’t believe your eyes!”.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 13 January 2018 23: 15 New
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          Quote: Alexander Green
          What kind of communist faith can the enemies of the people have? The enemies of the collective farm system? The enemies of socialism? The enemies of the Soviet state?

          and you look at the list of repressed, there through one party members
          Quote: Alexander Green
          And the fact that you are obsessively engaging readers of the forum,

          called give white to black hi
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 13 January 2018 23: 57 New
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            Quote: verner1967
            and you look at the list of repressed, there through one party members

            Yes, but they were not repressed for "renunciation of faith ... communist", and for specific crimes, read their criminal cases.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 14 January 2018 09: 00 New
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              Quote: Alexander Green
              Yes, but they were not repressed for "renouncing the faith ... communist"

              but in your opinion
              Quote: Alexander Green
              specific crimes

              who carried a political connotation, like, counter-revolutionary activity is not
              Quote: Alexander Green
              denial of faith?
              By the way, if you are so literally interpreting "renunciation ..", then voluntary withdrawal from the party did not entail a "landing", but put on the person, as a leader, a cross, and later on persecution for other reasons.
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 14 January 2018 17: 35 New
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                Quote: verner1967
                By the way, if you are so literally interpreting "renunciation ..", then voluntary withdrawal from the party did not entail a "landing", but put on the person, as a leader, a cross, and later on persecution for other reasons.

                Nothing of the kind, no one who quit or was expelled from the party did not pursue. They could have been removed from a leading position, but it’s right - only an ideological person can lead the construction of socialism.
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 14 January 2018 20: 30 New
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                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  but it’s right - only an ideological person can lead the construction of socialism.
                  Here is the head of the department for cleaning the city from stray animals or the plumber foreman, did they also build socialism?
                  You do not confuse the party and Soviet leadership? Although, yes ... it's the USSR.
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 16 January 2018 01: 00 New
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                    Quote: verner1967
                    Here is the head of the department for cleaning the city from stray animals or the plumber foreman, did they also build socialism?

                    Everyone worked in their place, and then on a subbotnik or Sunday, your supervisor and plumber, together with all the people, cleaned the area, or planted trees, or painted benches, and there were many, many different common things.
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 17 January 2018 21: 39 New
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                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      and then on a subbotnik or Sunday, your supervisor and plumber, together with all the people, cleaned the territory

                      yes, a beautiful fairy tale)))
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 18 January 2018 00: 05 New
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                        Quote: verner1967
                        yes, a beautiful fairy tale)

                        It feels like you did not find those times. And you know how fun it was on a subbotnik or Sunday. After finishing work, I didn’t even want to disperse.
  25. verner1967
    verner1967 14 January 2018 09: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Green
    But the bulk of the war honestly and heroically

    and in World War I there was the same picture, only in the absolute numbers of defectors the picture looms not in favor of the Second World War
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 14 January 2018 17: 30 New
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      Quote: verner1967
      and in World War I there was the same picture, only in the absolute numbers of defectors the picture looms not in favor of the Second World War

      Again you see only the external form of war. And look at their content. The imperialist war of 1914 was a battle of imperialists and there was no political coloring in it. Everyone fought for the interests of the ruling elite. For the Soviet people, the Great Patriotic War was also a continuation of the civil war. Citizens of the USSR joined the ranks of the fascist troops, to some extent offended by the Soviet regime. In addition, the 1941 war was distinguished by savage brutality by the Nazis against the Soviet people, against Soviet soldiers. Many went over to the side of the enemy under the threat of death, unable to withstand torture, hunger and other deprivations.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 14 January 2018 20: 31 New
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        Quote: Alexander Green
        Again you see only the external form of war. And look at their content. The imperialist war of 1914 was a battle of imperialists

        blah blah blah ... sick of communist propaganda ...
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 16 January 2018 01: 04 New
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          Quote: verner1967
          la blah blah ... sick of communist propaganda ...

          Dear, this is not blah blah, this is the real truth, and if you feel sick from it, then why are you arguing?
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 17 January 2018 21: 41 New
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            Quote: Alexander Green
            if you feel sick of it, then why are you getting into an argument ?.

            so then a dispute, not toasts from the rostrum on the first
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 18 January 2018 00: 09 New
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              Quote: verner1967
              so then a dispute, not toasts from the rostrum on the first

              Dear, something is wrong with your thinking. Where did you see in my comment "toasts from the rostrum on May Day"?
              Read carefully again.
              "You again see only the external form of wars. And look at their contents. The imperialist war of 1914 was a struggle of imperialists and there was no political color in it. Everyone fought for the interests of the ruling elite. The Great Patriotic War was also a continuation of the civil war for the Soviet people, Soviet citizens, to some extent offended by the Soviet regime, joined the ranks of the fascist troops. In addition, the 1941 war was notorious for its brutal brutality by the fascists against the Soviet people, against Soviet soldiers. Many went over to the side of the enemy under the threat of death, unable to withstand the torture, hunger and other privations. "
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 18 January 2018 06: 14 New
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                Quote: Alexander Green
                Read carefully again.

                Do you think that if the slogans are repeated several times, then they will replace the truth? Well, well ... though, the Communists did it for a while, then the people got tired ....
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 18 January 2018 20: 52 New
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                  Quote: verner1967
                  Do you think that if the slogans are repeated several times, then they will replace the truth? Well, well ... though, the Communists did it for a while, then the people got tired ....

                  Dear, I was just wondering where you saw the slogans in my text?
                  Read carefully again.
                  "You again see only the external form of wars. And look at their contents. The imperialist war of 1914 was a struggle of imperialists and there was no political color in it. Everyone fought for the interests of the ruling elite. The Great Patriotic War was also a continuation of the civil war for the Soviet people, Soviet citizens, to some extent offended by the Soviet regime, joined the ranks of the fascist troops. In addition, the 1941 war was notorious for its brutal brutality by the fascists against the Soviet people, against Soviet soldiers. Many went over to the side of the enemy under the threat of death, unable to withstand the torture, hunger and other privations. "
                  You have a problem with understand.
  26. verner1967
    verner1967 18 January 2018 06: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Green
    And you know how fun it was on a subbotnik or Sunday. After finishing work, I didn’t even want to disperse.

    I found it, sometimes it was fun, but then the work was of appropriate quality, for either to work or to rest. That's just the bosses I saw not among the workers, but more and more with slogans. People then with such ease and abandoned this "joy", because they saw this as an unnecessary coercion.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 18 January 2018 20: 58 New
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      Quote: verner1967
      That's just the bosses I saw not among the workers, but more and more with slogans. People then with such ease and abandoned this "joy", because they saw this as an unnecessary coercion

      Well, it’s you’s in vain, everyone worked, in Soviet times, no one refused subbotniks, they stopped conducting them when they started privatization, i.e. when public property began to be divided into parts.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 18 January 2018 21: 38 New
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        Quote: Alexander Green
        everyone worked, in Soviet times no one refused subbotniks

        well yes,
        Subbotnik (Sunday) - in the USSR, ideologists tried to present subbotniks as conscious organized free labor for the benefit of society in their free time, on weekends (where the name comes from). For the majority of the population, it was forced labor on weekends (on Saturday or Sunday - “Sundays”), which they tried not to shy away from, although people were forcibly deprived of rest on weekends so as not to be considered politically unreliable. The inhabitants of the USSR themselves called such labor “voluntary-compulsory” (the term “voluntary-compulsory” was part of the language of Soviet people).

        "Thank you party native
        For kindness and affection
        What the weekend stole from us
        Spoiled us Easter. "- Soviet folk humor.
        1. onix757
          onix757 18 January 2018 21: 42 New
          +1
          You can humor as much as you like, but this does not negate the fact that they managed to build social infrastructure facilities on subbotniks.
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 18 January 2018 21: 44 New
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            Quote: onix757
            on subbotniks managed to build social infrastructure facilities.

            why not build them during working hours and for salaries?
            1. onix757
              onix757 18 January 2018 21: 55 New
              +1
              Because according to the plan, financing for this object can be in 3 and 5 years, and people voluntarily accelerated this process for their own benefit
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 18 January 2018 21: 58 New
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                Quote: onix757
                Because according to the plan, financing for this object can be in 3 and 5 years

                it is clear, even poverty according to plan ...
                well, labor is free, but building materials, equipment, machinery ?? So something is wrong with financing))))
                1. onix757
                  onix757 18 January 2018 22: 01 New
                  +1
                  The poverty plan of the Russian Federation pension fund will provide you)
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 20 January 2018 08: 10 New
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                    Quote: onix757
                    The poverty plan of the Russian Federation pension fund will provide you)

                    I don’t live in poverty, I live much better than my retired parents lived under the scoop.
                2. onix757
                  onix757 18 January 2018 22: 05 New
                  +1
                  well, labor is free, but building materials, equipment, machinery ??

                  Company Administration Allocated Resources
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 20 January 2018 08: 09 New
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                    Quote: onix757
                    Company Administration Allocated Resources

                    And where did you get the money if the financing plan is not provided for? Most importantly, the most expensive paid, but for the slave labor of people there was not enough money)))))