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In the Russian Federation, a complex is being developed for the destruction of unmanned vehicles

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Russia is developing a new anti-aircraft artillery complex to destroy tactical UAVs and cruise missiles, reports RIA News Post commander of military air defense Lieutenant-General Alexander Leonov.




To replace the Shilka complexes, a new anti-aircraft artillery complex with innovative rounds of ammunition is being developed,
Leonov said in an interview with the newspaper Izvestia.

According to the commander, the complex "is designed to destroy tactical unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), single rocket launchers of the MLRS, cruise missiles, strike elements of high-precision weaponstactical aircraft aviation"fire support helicopters, as well as ground and surface lightly armored targets."

Leonov added that the peculiarity of the new complex is its “low radio-visibility due to the use of passive means of reconnaissance, detection and tracking of air targets”.
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 28 December 2017 09: 52 New
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    Curious ... UAVs and cruise missiles to shoot down with a cannon ... it’s hard to imagine, not even to implement! Well, okay against tactical battle pilots hanging over the battlefield, but how can I bring down the same Tomahawk ?!
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 28 December 2017 10: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Curious ... UAVs and cruise missiles to shoot down with a gun ... it’s hard to imagine, not even to implement!

      I wrote on a neighboring branch today)))
      IMHA.
      New computing systems and "radars" allow you to create a "Shilka" of a new generation. The “shell” is redundant for a number of tasks, but the reincarnation of “Shilka” is very necessary for fighting scouts and kamikaze drones, but the rest are “to the heap.”))
      But cruise missiles fly not so high and not so fast, and we are not talking about UAVs of the "traitor" type or global hawks.
      PS.
      There is a video where Pantsiy from cannons knocks down a quadrocopter .... but the carapace against quadrocopters is redundant, the Shilka is it.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 28 December 2017 10: 27 New
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        Quote: Scoun
        New computing systems and "radars" allow you to create a "Shilka" of a new generation.

        It’s interesting, but can’t the Tunguska be adapted for the “landing” of an UAV? It is also necessary to "fence the city" from scratch ?!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 December 2017 10: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: Starover_Z
          It’s interesting, but can’t the Tunguska be adapted for the “landing” of an UAV? It is also necessary to "fence the city" from scratch ?!

          You can and "Tunguska." But why? Do not forget, with the "Shell" and the "Tunguska" the main tool is xen. rockets. An artillery installation only to "clean up" the missiles.
          And in order to combat highly maneuverable UAVs, it is necessary on the contrary, to increase the effectiveness of the artillery destruction channel in order to be able to create a "cloud of gaps" that covers all possible target motion vectors.
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 28 December 2017 11: 55 New
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            only for the “cloud of ruptures” small-caliber guns are not effective, remote detonation and larger-caliber shells are best here. The only problem is that the developers of these "gun + shot" make them too expensive and low-rate, which negates all the advantages.
            1. Sergey53
              Sergey53 28 December 2017 13: 09 New
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              According to the given characteristics, the complex should be tricked out.
              1. ProkletyiPirat
                ProkletyiPirat 28 December 2017 20: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: Sergey53
                According to the given characteristics, the complex should be tricked out.

                Well, if you do as in the west with an axial field and an ultra-precise electronic detonator, then yes, you get a tricked out, expensive and therefore not effective complex.
                It’s easier, a shrapnel shell with the emission of all fragments forward, an electromagnetic or gunpowder timer-detonator. The main thing here is to choose the caliber, the shape of the fragments, the explosive power, the velocity of the projectile, effective range of destruction by fragments and the accuracy of the detonator. Highlighted is the most important. since it is precisely the shrapnel field of long range and diameter that allows the use of simplified and cheapened detonator timers.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 December 2017 10: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Scoun
        but the carapace against the quadrocopters is expensive and redundant, the Shilka is it.

        This is not the only point. For effective "work with UAVs" the car must be optimized, which will inevitably lead to its complication and rise in price.

        Now, in fact, the "gold standard" has become the placement on the same machine and "soft-kill" and "hard-kill" funds. That is, in addition to the artillery mount, at least a directional antenna of the radioelectronic suppression station, possibly a laser optics suppression station (as on Nerekhta). Trying to shove it into the Shell is not a very adequate solution.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 December 2017 10: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: Magic Archer
      But how to bring down the same Tomahawk ?!

      And what's so difficult, to bring down a flying in a straight slow rocket?
      1. san4es
        san4es 28 December 2017 12: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Magic Archer
        But how to bring down the same Tomahawk ?!

        And what's so difficult, to bring down a flying in a straight slow rocket?

        "Duet" on the truck will go?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 December 2017 14: 17 New
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          Quote: san4es
          "Duet" on the truck will go?

          This "on the wagon" is actually not for drones. And for C-RAM. For drones, its capabilities are redundant.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 December 2017 10: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Well, okay against tactical battle pilots hanging over the battlefield, but how can you bring down the same Tomahawk ?!

      And how does their “Shell” bring down cannons? And recently, MLRS missiles were shot down, and they have a higher speed than the Tomahawks
      https://dailystorm.ru/rossiyskie-pvo-otrazili-ata
      ku-na-aviabazu-hmeymim
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 28 December 2017 12: 05 New
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        Quote: Piramidon
        And how does their “Shell” bring down cannons? And recently, MLRS missiles were shot down, and they have a higher speed than the Tomahawks

        Shot down is not a problem, the problem is that ammunition overdraft is spent on one target being shot down, as a result, cannon weapons turn into "last chance weapons" and become unsuitable for full use.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 28 December 2017 19: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          Quote: Piramidon
          And how does their “Shell” bring down cannons? And recently, MLRS missiles were shot down, and they have a higher speed than the Tomahawks

          Shot down is not a problem, the problem is that ammunition overdraft is spent on one target being shot down, as a result, cannon weapons turn into "last chance weapons" and become unsuitable for full use.

          Do you have statistics on ammunition consumption per target? Or is it just another fabrication of a NATO blogger (judging by the flag)?
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 28 December 2017 20: 23 New
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            Quote: Piramidon
            fabrications of a NATO blogger (judging by the flag)?

            Oh ha laughing I knew that it would write :) :) About the proxy, you obviously did not hear lol
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 28 December 2017 09: 53 New
    +1
    The new weapons dictate the creation of new means of combating them. Let us see what characteristics are obtained in the end. It will be possible to combine modern radio-electronic means of combating conventional weapons in one complex.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 28 December 2017 10: 09 New
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      Quote: Teberii
      Let's see what characteristics are obtained in the end.

      It has been written more than once that the Pantsir air defense missile system, especially its new modifications, showed capabilities that turned out to be higher than anticipated. Probably, given these data, they create a new complex
  3. 210ox
    210ox 28 December 2017 09: 54 New
    +1
    "Shilka" is generally a unique beast ... But what about drones? Have EWs been canceled?
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 28 December 2017 10: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      "Shilka" is generally a unique beast

      So she looks like an alien
      1. 210ox
        210ox 28 December 2017 10: 17 New
        +1
        Yes, especially in the cloud of shot cartridges ... fellow
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: 210ox
        "Shilka" is generally a unique beast

        So she looks like an alien
      2. SSR
        SSR 28 December 2017 10: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: 210ox
        "Shilka" is generally a unique beast

        So she looks like an alien

        Only the crew must still be reduced.
  4. kap-lei
    kap-lei 28 December 2017 09: 55 New
    +3
    It was high time for Shilke to develop a modern replacement - small drones did not appear yesterday
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan 28 December 2017 10: 06 New
      +1
      Her logic Tunguska replaced.
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 28 December 2017 11: 03 New
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        Yes, but everything flows and changes. Clouds of tactical UAVs appeared above the battlefield, while airplanes and helicopters use the WTO in large numbers. And ZRPK "Tunguska" has already grown into ZRPK "Shell" with increased dimensions and the cost of missiles. Therefore, an air defense missile system of a battalion unit with a six-barreled 23 mm AO and SAM in the form of a missile defense system "Tor" in reduced dimensions, made on the chassis of an infantry fighting vehicle "Dragun" or "Kurganets", is necessary.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 28 December 2017 11: 55 New
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          Quote: zoolu350
          Therefore, an air defense missile system of a battalion unit with a six-barreled 23 mm AO and SAM in the form of a missile defense system "Tor" in reduced dimensions, made on the chassis of an infantry fighting vehicle "Dragun" or "Kurganets", is necessary.

          You described KZRAK Dagger / Broadsword on the T-15 chassis ... laughing
          1. zoolu350
            zoolu350 28 December 2017 16: 44 New
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            No. Maximum ZRPK "Pine".
    2. 210ox
      210ox 28 December 2017 10: 28 New
      +1
      By the way, against barrage of ammunition, Spike missiles is an irreplaceable thing ..
      Quote: kap-lei
      It was high time for Shilke to develop a modern replacement - small drones did not appear yesterday
  5. cannabis
    cannabis 28 December 2017 09: 56 New
    +4
    In the picture "Three Heroes" Ilya Muromets uses passive means of reconnaissance.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 December 2017 09: 57 New
    +3
    Apparently, there will be radio fuses and controlled remote detonation, plus IR systems and powerful optics. Our small-caliber shells with plastic belts have mastered in production ... Well wassat as they say, with god.
  7. Terenin
    Terenin 28 December 2017 09: 58 New
    +8
    They will create the "ducklings" according to the principle of a hunting rifle and have been reliably and tested for decades. IMHO laughing
    1. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat 28 December 2017 13: 44 New
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      The hunting rifle will perfectly cope with a light drone at a distance of meters up to 30-35 ... but this is already too close. And you won’t solve the problem of MLRS shells, ATGMs and cruise missiles, where large-diameter buckshot is required for destruction, and talus density decreases when used.
      Here you need at least container ammunition with a given disclosure distance. Then, with an error of + - 10-15 meters, you can shoot so that the directed shot sheaf would knock down the target.
  8. kap-lei
    kap-lei 28 December 2017 09: 59 New
    +1
    PSU with remote detonation obviously means, and passivity due to the tactical link
  9. Chichikov
    Chichikov 28 December 2017 10: 02 New
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    Under an umbrella, you always feel more comfortable - even in the rain, even in the sun!
  10. gukoyan
    gukoyan 28 December 2017 10: 05 New
    +1
    What to reinvent the wheel?
    It has long been discovered electromagnetic waves that can burn electronics at a certain frequency ... Ehhh, and in the USSR they invented wunderwafes at times more interesting)))
    And we cannon armed small drones with guns.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 28 December 2017 12: 09 New
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      Quote: gukoyan
      What to reinvent the wheel?

      Then, that not everyone watched a series of jumble about smart watches ...
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 28 December 2017 10: 13 New
    +3
    Artillery has a significant drawback in this matter:
    all fragments of anti-aircraft shells fall down on their own objects, and damage from
    they can significantly exceed the damage from the drone itself.
    For example: someone's UAV flew to an international airfield. Arta has earned.
    Then the airport will need to be stopped in order to clean up the fragments (and pick up
    wounded, perhaps).
    A more efficient way: launch a counter-drone with one or two mini-missiles
    with plastic (combustible) housing and warhead. Approached - fired. But the way is expensive.
    1. himRa
      himRa 28 December 2017 10: 25 New
      +5
      There are no expensive ways wink
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 28 December 2017 10: 30 New
        +4
        Raheem, hello! hi I haven't seen you in a while. Thank you for the video! good
      2. Ural resident
        Ural resident 28 December 2017 11: 27 New
        +1
        interesting and the screws do not cut off their fingers on their paws?
        1. himRa
          himRa 28 December 2017 12: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: A resident of the Urals
          interesting and the screws do not cut off their fingers on their paws?

          You do not underestimate these birds ... besides the paws of the ears there is a beak and a reaction developed by thousands of years of experience
          Wolves and foxes are taken ... with their teeth and plastic screws are not a problem! Birds really are in the service ....
          Like dogs we need enthusiastic people ...
          1. himRa
            himRa 28 December 2017 13: 03 New
            +1
            Let me imagine, controlled cockroaches are already there laughing and if you turn on the bird’s button, hunger and a steady reflex to the target, then for 50 years you will have a reliable natural mechanism
      3. iouris
        iouris 28 December 2017 13: 02 New
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        Orlov will be shot down. No, you have to turn your brains on. A very serious problem. We need detection systems for small-sized UAVs of various types and reusable barrage drones-interceptors.
    2. SSR
      SSR 28 December 2017 10: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Artillery has a significant drawback in this matter:
      all fragments of anti-aircraft shells fall down on their own objects, and damage from
      they can significantly exceed the damage from the drone itself.
      For example: someone's UAV flew to an international airfield. Arta has earned.
      Then the airport will need to be stopped in order to clean up the fragments (and pick up
      wounded, perhaps).
      A more efficient way: launch a counter-drone with one or two mini-missiles
      with plastic (combustible) housing and warhead. Approached - fired. But the way is expensive.

      For airfields, you can and expensive, but on the march and at the positions, it’s the most.
      And sorry, if the enemy launches a mini UAV over the airfield, then this means that in this place the battle / war is a profukan.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 28 December 2017 10: 38 New
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        Reliable flying quadcopter Chinese-made UAV with a good video camera
        sold in toy stores and costs about $ 200.
        And anyone can launch it over the airport (or military base). And a child, and a bully, and an enemy spy. How best to bring him down / intercept is a problem over which serious people are puzzling around the world.
        Start firing from Shilka above the ammunition depot - the depot will fly into the air.
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 28 December 2017 13: 26 New
          +3
          This does not apply to military air defense in any way.
        2. Dreamboat
          Dreamboat 28 December 2017 13: 27 New
          +2
          From Chinese drones for $ 200 excellent means of electronic warfare save. They can be used only in partisan wars such as Syria, but with military drones with well-protected channels, it’s more difficult to communicate
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 December 2017 13: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      all fragments of anti-aircraft shells fall down on their own objects

      And the fig? if the fragments fall on the protected territory, then the UAV’s enemy is already above the protected object (!) ... isn’t it too late to “drink the Borjomi” .. that is, to shoot at the drone? And if you try to do this a little earlier (that is, in a timely manner)? Next: 1. In the "courses", are you currently developing artillery shells with plastic, composite, "light-ceramic" fragments? With fragments, SPE, burning in the air before falling to the ground? With high-explosive shells in buildings (composite), "crumbling into dust" during an explosion. 2. List me the objects struck by fragments of anti-aircraft shells, and I will tell you how to "protect" ...
      Quote: voyaka uh
      someone UAV flew to the international airfield. Arta has earned.

      Oh, and you confuse the "plug with a bottle"! Can’t you tell the difference: “someone’s (single!) UAV flew to the international airport (in peacetime!) And” UAV flew (flew) to the airport in wartime (during the fighting) ???
    4. 9K35
      9K35 29 December 2017 12: 50 New
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      For EM weapons, the same restrictions apply; the associated electronics will be disabled. To defeat many UAVs, the main factor is its stealth (especially in mountainous terrain) and the normalization of the cost of its destruction.
  12. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 28 December 2017 10: 38 New
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    It turns out this new development is cheaper and more practical than the use of the "Shell", for other means of air defense / missile defense it is not necessary to speak ...
  13. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 28 December 2017 10: 42 New
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    Well right now, Russophobia, such as a canoe, howl howl, the Russians are preparing for war
    1. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat 28 December 2017 13: 22 New
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      In the West, 5-6 dozens of special tools for the fight against drones have already been presented ....
  14. Dreamboat
    Dreamboat 28 December 2017 10: 44 New
    +2
    The point is probably not even in the "gun", but in shells. Rapid-fire automatic guns and a calculator that calculates the flight path of a subsonic target are Shilka (art part of Tunguska and Shell), but get 30 mm. challenging a small target over a long distance is difficult. At one of the exhibitions, I saw a shell with a drop-down stabilizer (like an RPG 7 shell, I don’t know how to describe it more clearly). Moreover, the “stabilizer” of thin metal plates is two-link, i.e. each plate is 1.5 times longer than the projectile. It turns out such an "inverted umbrella" 20 centimeters in diameter .... "Stabilizer" is connected to the fuse ...
    To get such an "umbrella" into a small drone is much easier than 3 cm. Even a small charge at a distance of 10 cm is enough to defeat
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 28 December 2017 12: 17 New
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      too expensive and not much more efficient ...
      1. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat 28 December 2017 13: 20 New
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        I think it’s cheaper than remotely exploded ammunition or a target hit by a guided projectile.
        And most importantly, it does not require replacing weapons; it can only be finalized with software for a different ballistics.
  15. sivuch
    sivuch 28 December 2017 13: 27 New
    +1
    Is it about ZAK-57 with UAS? So everything seems to converge.
  16. Dreamboat
    Dreamboat 28 December 2017 13: 53 New
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    Ancestral experience! For cheap UAVs, the Shilka volley is too expensive and excessively powerful.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 December 2017 17: 01 New
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      30 mm six-barreled gun with thermal imaging, optical, surveillance channels, with full automation, mounted on a trailer.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 December 2017 17: 07 New
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        Something like this with only six trunks 30 millimeters.
  17. flicker
    flicker 28 December 2017 21: 22 New
    +2
    So far, the most effective (price, quality) is the Panzer gun
    1. 9K35
      9K35 29 December 2017 12: 53 New
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      The shell is most likely the only means that sees small UAVs. But the cost of their destruction is disproportionate.