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How Kiev is engaged in defamation in the exchange of prisoners

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Reported on the procedure for the exchange of prisoners, which is carried out after agreeing on the details of the exchange between the authorities of Ukraine and LDNR. We are talking about the exchange according to the formula “all for all”, but at the moment the previously declared number of prisoners does not correspond to the value noted during the exchange. There are reports from the scene that so far 74 people have been transferred to the Ukrainian side, and LDNR - 75 people.


The exchange of prisoners is carried out in the so-called "gray" zone - between Mayorsky, which is under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and Gorlovka. It is noted that not only members of the OSCE CMM are present at the prisoner exchange procedure, but also representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church, with whose assistance the negotiations took place.

Recall that the initial version of the exchange involved the transfer of Kiev 306 prisoners to the republics of Donbass and the transfer of prisoners 74 republics of the Donbas republics to Kiev. As you can see, representatives of LDNR fulfilled their obligations in full, which cannot be said of the representatives of the Ukrainian side.

How Kiev is engaged in defamation in the exchange of prisoners


The Ukrainian side claims that the 43 person in general “did not arrive” for the procedure, since they had allegedly been released from prison because they had “served a sentence”. At the same time, the Ukrainian ombudsman, Valeria Lutkovskaya, states that many prisoners "themselves did not express a desire to move to the uncontrolled territories of Donbass." And the same Ms. Lutkovskaya herself noted that in respect of a number of prisoners, permission to exchange was not received in December. According to her, the Ukrainian authorities "intend to give such permission in January."

Thus, Kiev once again violates the agreement, actually engaging in defamation of the “all for all” formula, to which he himself had previously declared declaratively.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 27 December 2017 16: 13 New
    13
    We didn’t learn anything new about Kiev .. As we were not adequate ... So we stayed ...
    1. Shura Perm
      Shura Perm 27 December 2017 16: 24 New
      +3
      even though the exchange wasn’t thwarted, they’ve done well, but what Kiev’s divorced, it was clear right away, a Jew cried, a crest was born ...
    2. Going
      Going 27 December 2017 16: 26 New
      10
      Thus, Kiev once again violates the agreement, actually engaging in defamation of the “all for all” formula, to which he himself had previously declared declaratively.


      All this was assumed and soon we will hear their bravura reassurances, as they deceived the Separs.
      1. gm9019
        gm9019 27 December 2017 16: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: Going
        All this was assumed and soon we will hear their bravura reassurances, as they deceived the Separs.

        Are these "non-appearing" alive, that’s the question. Or are they locals whom they hastily grabbed ...
        1. igor67
          igor67 27 December 2017 16: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: gm9019
          Quote: Going
          All this was assumed and soon we will hear their bravura reassurances, as they deceived the Separs.

          Are these "non-appearing" alive, that’s the question. Or are they locals whom they hastily grabbed ...

          I’m watching Ukrainian news now, they have taken prisoners out of their cells, and some refuse to return
          1. Bumblebee_3
            Bumblebee_3 27 December 2017 17: 09 New
            +5
            Igor67 Today, 16:57
            Do you want to say that they want to return to the camera?
            1. igor67
              igor67 27 December 2017 17: 27 New
              0
              Quote: Bumblebee_3
              Igor67 Today, 16:57
              Do you want to say that they want to return to the camera?

              maybe his family doesn’t live in LDN, so they remain
              1. Bumblebee_3
                Bumblebee_3 27 December 2017 17: 35 New
                +4
                Igor67 Today, 17:27
                Controversial answer. Most likely - dummies, under the guise of prisoners or "pumped up" by something.
                1. katana
                  katana 27 December 2017 17: 56 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Bumblebee_3
                  Igor67 Today, 17:27
                  Controversial answer. Most likely - dummies, under the guise of prisoners or "pumped up" by something.

                  The situation is already beginning to resemble a confrontation in Berlin, divided into western and eastern sectors - no one wanted to return to the communists in the eastern sector of Berlin with either a carcass or a scarecrow. it is not said that about 2 million people fled from Donbass to Ukraine!
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 27 December 2017 23: 51 New
                    +4
                    Usually, in order to avoid unnecessary speculative conversations during the exchange of prisoners, everything is done like this:
                    All prisoners are brought alive to the place of exchange. They establish their identities and their state of sanity. And if a capable person does not want to return and refuses to exchange, then he will be released and no one will be returned.
                  2. just exp
                    just exp 28 December 2017 02: 55 New
                    +3
                    and 4 million people fled from Donbass to Russia.
                    what does this tell you?
                  3. the lord
                    the lord 7 January 2018 06: 03 New
                    0
                    And Dartanyan again in shock, to spoil even here. Yes, 2 million people fled from the conflict just because they didn’t have to cross the border and it was more familiar to act within their own state. To leave for another state is completely incomparable with a simply forced relocation. Being a foreigner during a military crisis is an unenviable fate. The usual behavior of people.
              2. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 27 December 2017 18: 08 New
                +2
                Quote: igor67
                maybe his family doesn’t live in LDN, so they remain
                ------- I think the same. Families live in Ukraine .. and plus, obviously, threats to their families - wives, children, parents. SBU has worked! Everything is as old as the world! Blackmail and threats. And of course the gingerbread ...
          2. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 27 December 2017 17: 25 New
            +5
            Quote: igor67
            Quote: gm9019
            Quote: Going
            All this was assumed and soon we will hear their bravura reassurances, as they deceived the Separs.

            Are these "non-appearing" alive, that’s the question. Or are they locals whom they hastily grabbed ...

            I’m watching Ukrainian news now, they have taken prisoners out of their cells, and some refuse to return


            So I’m direct and believe that a person of his own free will wants to sit in a cage. There are many ways to make people say something to the camera.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 27 December 2017 21: 43 New
        0
        the bear is also at the same time with the bandera?
        more than 3 were on the lists.
        as agreed and who on our side ran along the corridors — checked these lists?
        there will be no peace under the olives.
        1. dSK
          dSK 27 December 2017 23: 58 New
          +2
          During the exchange of prisoners in the Donbass, a resident of the Lugansk People’s Republic was released, who blew up a soldier of the APU with a jar of honey. In January 2015, one Ukrainian serviceman died in the village of Lugansk, three more VSUshnikov were seriously injured. Here is how it was. An elderly citizen appeared at a checkpoint in the lunch area. He introduced himself as a local resident and presented the soldiers with a jar of honey - as much as three liters. Also, a local resident thanked the military for their service, and then departed. When the soldiers opened the can, there was an explosion. It is noted that in 2016, 65-year-old Nikolai Ruban, who undermined the AFU checkpoint, was sentenced in Ukraine to 15 years in prison. (Channel "Tsargrad" 23: 03., 27.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX)
  2. Bumblebee_3
    Bumblebee_3 27 December 2017 16: 14 New
    15
    Pancake! Well, when will they understand that it is impossible to agree with the Kiev junta! They will not fulfill a single contract!
    1. katana
      katana 27 December 2017 18: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      Pancake! Well, when will they understand that it is impossible to agree with the Kiev junta! They will not fulfill a single contract!

      Azerbaijanian - is it for you that if the Russians can agree with the Ukrainians or not? For a well-known reason, I dislike your Azerbaijani power, but I do not allow myself to hang labels on your power - a khanate, a pahanat, and so on. If Azerbaijan were advanced democratic state, then I would understand your definition, which you hung on the Ukrainian authorities - the junta.
      1. Bumblebee_3
        Bumblebee_3 27 December 2017 23: 35 New
        +5
        katana today, 18:03
        Ara, you sometimes read the comments! I already wrote that I am a citizen of Russia! Just registered in Azerbaijan! And tie with national strife! My advice to you! Otherwise, what is the Armenian doing on the Russian site?
      2. just exp
        just exp 28 December 2017 02: 57 New
        +4
        a pseudo-Armenian, but what do you think of other people's opinions?
        The State Department paid the cookies to you not for this, but to conduct propaganda activities more subtly.
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 27 December 2017 18: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      Pancake! Well, when will they understand that it is impossible to agree with the Kiev junta! They will not fulfill a single contract!

      so what to do??? prisoners, after all, must be freed. here with the devil you’ll go for a deal
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 27 December 2017 23: 29 New
        +1
        That's when the Azerbaijanis and Armenians agree on the Karabakh issue, so immediately the Russians and Ukrainians will reconcile ...
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 27 December 2017 23: 57 New
          0
          The leader of the redskins Today, 23:29
          My opinion is this tramp, for a long time! As I see, no one wants to deal with issues of reconciliation. The situation at the moment is a dead end.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 27 December 2017 23: 59 New
            0
            Are you talking about which of the conflicts now?
            1. Bumblebee_3
              Bumblebee_3 28 December 2017 00: 05 New
              0
              About both. Do you think Ukrainians are not brainwashed? Same thing in Armenia and Azerbaijan. Look at the story. After what time did the citizens of the GDR, the Germans, cease to be "fascists" for the citizens of the USSR?
  3. dog breeder
    dog breeder 27 December 2017 16: 14 New
    +4
    Who would doubt that. In addition, everything was previously voiced by "commentators" on the other side in the comments on the news in RT
  4. assa67
    assa67 27 December 2017 16: 15 New
    15
    it doesn’t go to any gate ....... dill steal people from "controlled" territories. supposedly separatists and they don’t go for a return ... apparently, nobody ... tried
  5. Dormidont
    Dormidont 27 December 2017 16: 18 New
    12
    Ay yai yai ... What a surprise ... What dishonest fascists ... Who would have thought ...
  6. Masya masya
    Masya masya 27 December 2017 16: 26 New
    +7
    this is what krajina does excellently, so defame! lie and dodge!
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 27 December 2017 18: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Masya Masya
      this is what krajina does excellently, so defame! lie and dodge!

      and betray. Mazepa is their hero. an example to follow
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 27 December 2017 18: 44 New
        +5
        and begging ahead of the rest! God forgive me, how many "talents" they have !!! Live and be happy! wink
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 27 December 2017 18: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: Masya Masya
          and begging ahead of the rest!

          they are already genomodified
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 27 December 2017 21: 48 New
      +4
      this is what krajina does excellently, so defame! lie and dodge!

      And something else ... and combine everything together
  7. Sergey53
    Sergey53 27 December 2017 16: 30 New
    +3
    What can they submit for the transfer? If the above-mentioned people were either killed or crippled to such an extent that they are afraid to represent them. Therefore, they postpone the deadlines, change their names, catch them on the street and take them for an exchange. And now, when they have also handed over the dill prisoners, they will now wait until the current regime changes. Is it really impossible to understand what they are? They are neighing there right now. After all, the same has already happened more than once, what else needs to be done to understand who we are being held for?
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 27 December 2017 18: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey53
      What else needs to be done to understand who they are holding us for?

      Your suggestions, what should be done so that they don’t do this and return all prisoners? offer, it will be very interesting to listen. or blablabla for like?
  8. maxim1987
    maxim1987 27 December 2017 16: 30 New
    +2
    impunity gives birth to permissiveness request
  9. KRAT
    KRAT 27 December 2017 16: 36 New
    +2
    Peremoga, however, by the face, the juntais took away all their prisoners and the militias did not, how can they now rescue the others, for whom should they be changed? Bred as suckers.
  10. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 27 December 2017 16: 47 New
    0
    I read on another site that the exchange was between the LPR and Ukraine, now it should be between the DPR and the name.
    ... the verification procedure of the persons exchanged between Lugansk and Kiev took place on the Ukrainian side in the area of ​​the Mayorskoye checkpoint. As the correspondent. DAN, located at the Armed Forces checkpoint, a special tent was set up to verify documents. People were brought into it in groups of up to 10 people. The process was monitored by the Ombudsman of the LPR Olga Kobtseva, representatives of the OSCE and the International Committee of the Red Cross.
    According to Kobtseva, of the 75 people who were declared by the LPR in the lists for exchange, two refused to return to the Republic and remained in the territory controlled by Kiev. Thus, the 73 supporter of the Lugansk People’s Republic went to the DPR checkpoint.
    It is expected that the exchange procedure between the DPR and Ukraine will soon begin.
  11. sabakina
    sabakina 27 December 2017 16: 54 New
    +3
    I do not understand, it was immediately impossible to guess the exchange of 1 to 4? How much in percentage terms Ukraine returned, so much would have received.
    1. Going
      Going 27 December 2017 17: 57 New
      +4
      Vyacheslav, welcome! hi , this is an international practice - “all for all”, and the practice is in the blood, when, in such conflict situations, quotas were set, hostage-taking began and then complete lawlessness.
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 27 December 2017 18: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: sabakina
      I do not understand, it was immediately impossible to guess the exchange of 1 to 4?

      so the contract was all at all
  12. voronbel53
    voronbel53 27 December 2017 16: 58 New
    +5
    ... there was no need to free about a thousand captured Khokhlourok prisoners after boilers in 14-15 years, and now they are screaming - now, we have 306, and LDNR only 74 prisoners. So it will be - Ukrainians will never, in the normal way, fulfill the agreements if, in any way, these LDNR provisions are implemented. Moreover, I don’t really want to return these “heroes” to the outskirts - pay them benefits, honor the heroes, and this is all the money that they have already divided everything among themselves - there is no money and there is no desire, what can I say ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 27 December 2017 23: 32 New
      0
      Why are tsifiri so terrifying? Come with RT or Life News?
  13. Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 December 2017 17: 09 New
    +2
    Could simply not reach, after conversations with "law enforcement". And some could be killed in the clean. Bandervah tA still the Gestapo.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 28 December 2017 14: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Captive
      Could simply not reach, after conversations with "law enforcement". And some could be killed in the clean. Bandervah tA still the Gestapo.

      It’s rather "in the basement" in Donetsk, this happened.
      1. the lord
        the lord 7 January 2018 06: 08 New
        0
        Been there already, shortage?
  14. igorra
    igorra 27 December 2017 17: 11 New
    +1
    Do not give half until they bring back those who have refused and who have served their closest relatives, in extreme cases, for confirmation. When will we already understand that there is a cheater with speckled cards against us? Such people will not understand until you put your fist in the face.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 27 December 2017 20: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: igorra
      Do not give half until they bring back those who have refused and who have served their closest relatives, in extreme cases, for confirmation. When will we already understand that there is a cheater with speckled cards against us? Such people will not understand until you put your fist in the face.

      With terpils, worried, preoccupied and entangled in cunning plans, they do just that ... There is no more strength to listen to some other bullshit excuses.
  15. Swar
    Swar 27 December 2017 17: 18 New
    +4
    To everyone who returns from captivity, health and strength! At home they wait and pray for you!
  16. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 27 December 2017 18: 41 New
    0
    Eventually passed 237 people from 306.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 28 December 2017 05: 03 New
      +1
      It was necessary to immediately stop the exchange when they tried to conduct it in the wrong place - it was already an introduction to deception! With this cunning audience, you never have to compromise - otherwise they immediately start yelling about the "peer-mogue"! Now the rest of the line with two help out.
  17. senima56
    senima56 27 December 2017 19: 25 New
    +1
    Is engaged in defamation? What did you expect? Ukrainians same !!!
  18. German Titov
    German Titov 27 December 2017 21: 29 New
    +1
    Yes, especially from the "scammers" decency and did not expect. God forbid, some decent people have been freed. In 2014, they actively “sucked” us into an active participant in Euromaidown (a member of the “Hundred Bear”, a citizen of Turkmenistan “sponsoring” a granny in the Chernihiv region (the plot is famously twisted)). The “Banderization Service” appointed him “Separ” - “it was hanging out.” We were human beings and remain so. I am a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, a citizen of the Donetsk People’s Republic, "a worthy member of the Peacemaker website, I declare responsibly," scammers! "
  19. Ural resident
    Ural resident 27 December 2017 21: 55 New
    0
    Immediately the question is - why did LDNR give everyone away?
  20. German Titov
    German Titov 27 December 2017 22: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: A resident of the Urals
    Immediately the question is - why did LDNR give everyone away?

    Immediately the answer is "do you need them here?" Most of them fought with the "scattered army". We do not have enough psychiatrists. After all, not every proctologist will be able to do a “lobotomy” (“somewhere there is a brain”). Maybe someone no longer wants to be captured. For some, “captive for happiness” - (medal “For Persistence in Captivity”). For others, "not everyone (" Aidar’s ", etc., etc.) will be able to crawl to captivity with broken limbs. This is Donbass, here the devils are sent to addresses. Maybe rudely from the Soul !!!
  21. LeonidL
    LeonidL 28 December 2017 05: 00 New
    +2
    Shame on you! passed not those and even less! Why such a deception (exchange?). They exchanged militants for random civilians. They are also a pity - but they had to be rescued first and foremost and uncompromisingly, not looking at the church, nor in Kiev, nor in Moscow — they should not be abandoned!
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 28 December 2017 14: 16 New
      0
      Quote: LeonidL
      Shame on you! passed not those and even less! Why such a deception (exchange?). They exchanged militants for random civilians. They are also a pity - but they had to be rescued first and foremost and uncompromisingly, not looking at the church, nor in Kiev, nor in Moscow — they should not be abandoned!

      Have you personally been there? Not? Then your words are rubbish.
      1. the lord
        the lord 7 January 2018 06: 09 New
        0
        Garbage is only your words
  22. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 28 December 2017 07: 23 New
    +1

    "Thanks to me, you are now free," so to eat pound thanks to you, Petya, they got there!
  23. koshmarik
    koshmarik 28 December 2017 11: 27 New
    +1
    Any agreement with Kiev should be calculated on the subject of deception, defamation and dishonesty in order to get rid of surprises.
  24. Normal ok
    Normal ok 28 December 2017 14: 15 New
    0
    Ukrainian Ombudsman Valeria Lutkovskaya states that many prisoners "themselves did not express a desire to move to uncontrolled territories of Donbass."

    No, what normal person will go there voluntarily?
    1. the lord
      the lord 7 January 2018 06: 12 New
      0
      Normal in terms of a dill like you? These will not go, because dill is cowardly by nature and it is sold both in a bunch and in bulk. An old story about the third hohla.