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Ukraine is not able to create technology, competing with "Kurgants"

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At present, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have, at first glance, an impressive fleet of infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and armored cars. There are more than two thousand units in the troops, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


Ukraine is not able to create technology, competing with "Kurgants"


“Upon closer inspection, we find that the vast majority of this armada is long-obsolete designs. So, in the army there are not the last upgraded BMP-1 with the Malyutka ATGM, the ancient BTR-60PB. It seems that in order to provide the newly created brigades with equipment, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine sent everything that could move to the troops, ”says the article by Lev Romanov.



According to military experts, in the event of an aggravation of the situation in the Donbas, the greatest losses in armored vehicles will fall on infantry delivery vehicles.

Someone, for sure, will say that in the Russian army the main combat tracked infantry fighting vehicle is still the model of the second generation. “However, the Russian military-industrial complex is now successfully working on an average BMP Kurganets-25 and a heavy one, the T-15 Armata. Created wheeled infantry fighting vehicle based on the middle platform "Boomerang". The Ukrainian defense industry cannot offer anything even close. All that is, is the modernization of the old BMP-1 and some attempts to create something on the basis of MT-LB, ”the author writes.



До 2014 года предлагалось делать тяжелые БМП на основе Т-64 и Т-80. Сейчас этот вариант тоже не пройдет: просто нет свободных tank шасси. Все отправлено в зону АТО. Делать с нуля? Но Харьков никак не может закончить тайский контракт – всего лишь на 49 машин. Сроки выполнения контракта истекли уже несколько лет назад.

Not the best way things are wheeled vehicles. BTR-3 and BTR-4 are morally outdated at the time of creation. About their disgusting quality of manufacture did not write just lazy.

And completely hopeless is the situation with the release of armored cars. “If someone tries to count the number of various models and modifications, it will simply get off the bill. This technique is produced in very limited quantities by various factories, sending it to the troops, where it turns out that the next armored car has a lot of defects that cannot be eliminated in principle. Then another company is trying to push a new craft. And so on to infinity, ”the article says.



So, in this area, the APU has big problems. However, there are no options to overcome these problems. Ukraine is not able to produce equipment of the BMP Kurganets-25 and T-15 Armata levels, but it is also not possible to buy it abroad due to lack of funds, the author concludes.
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  1. jolly deckhand
    jolly deckhand 27 December 2017 11: 44 New
    23
    And where is this “Kurganets” here? What parts are equipped with? We write and mock everything about Ukraine, only wimps and insecure ones can ...
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 27 December 2017 11: 51 New
      16
      Ukraine is capable of much, if objectively. This country has been buried on the site for 4 years now, and their GDP is growing at a much faster rate than the Russian one.
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 27 December 2017 12: 00 New
        22
        I don’t know how the GDP is, but my relatives living there say that they will eat up the last x ... th without salt! I can’t live on pension, they have fallen so much that even the cost of living is not enough !!! And this information is from first-hand!
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 27 December 2017 12: 06 New
        +9
        Quote: xetai9977
        Ukraine is capable of much, if objectively.

        Of course she is capable, only the West does not need a strong Ukraine.
        Quote: xetai9977
        their GDP is growing at a much faster rate than Russian.

        "There is a lie, there is a big lie, and there is statistics." hi
      3. just exp
        just exp 27 December 2017 12: 07 New
        11
        and due to what is GDP growing there?
        they have a drop in everything, and the glaze has almost died so, what do you think, why did their gas consumption so sharply decrease?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 27 December 2017 13: 19 New
          +6
          Quote: just EXPL
          and due to what is GDP growing there?

          It's simple: if the GDP is considered a “shaft” in hryvnias without taking into account inflation and the hryvnia / dollar rate, then this can not be calculated. smile
          1. CAT BAIYUN
            CAT BAIYUN 28 December 2017 21: 10 New
            +7
            Yeah .. And add here what GDP can count (as a rule, this is done) and loans that have already been received. Now, if all the loans received by Ukraine to add to GDP calculations, everything will turn out that way - growth. In fact ... Oops ...
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 27 December 2017 13: 48 New
          +2
          Well, in fact, after the fall that a certain growth was possible due to the “low base” effect, it can even be somewhere impressive in percentage terms ..

          But in general, as far as I remember, the growth there is very minimal - less than half a percent. Growth is less than the growth rate of the global economy is actually not growth but decline ..
      4. LSA57
        LSA57 27 December 2017 12: 20 New
        11
        Quote: xetai9977
        and their GDP is growing at a much faster rate than Russian.

        infa not from Kovtun? from what fright will GDP grow there if they ruined everything they could there. from a country with growing GDP people do not scatter to work throughout Europe
      5. antivirus
        antivirus 27 December 2017 12: 22 New
        +2
        It seems that in order to provide equipment for the newly created brigades, the Armed Forces command sent everything that could only move to the troops, ”

        COCHLAM ONLY 2-3 YEARS TO CONTINUE AND WILL BE UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF NATO AND THE EU
        and GDP is growing like fly agaric
        Kharkov could not do new already in the late 90s
      6. Orionvit
        Orionvit 27 December 2017 13: 14 New
        +8
        Quote: xetai9977
        Ukraine is capable of much, if objectively., And their GDP is growing at a much faster pace than Russian.

        Is Petrosian accidentally not your relative? You have the same jokes.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 27 December 2017 13: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Orionvit
          You have the same jokes.

          below the belt lol
      7. Winnie76
        Winnie76 27 December 2017 13: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: xetai9977
        Ukraine is capable of much, if objectively. This country has been buried on the site for 4 years now, and their GDP is growing at a much faster rate than the Russian one.

        "Panikovsky will still buy and sell you all"
      8. vasya.pupkin
        vasya.pupkin 27 December 2017 15: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: xetai9977
        Ukraine is capable of much, if objectively. This country has been buried on the site for 4 years now, and their GDP is growing at a much faster rate than the Russian one.

        Please indicate the source of the nonsense that you are distributing here.
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 27 December 2017 12: 03 New
      +5
      I would say that Ukraine is not even able to create a competitor to the BMP-3. Completely lost competencies not only in engineering. Also, Ukraine is no longer able to create guns (guns) larger than 30mm, munitions factories have been almost completely lost. What can we say about Rockets, Aircraft, Ships, and Space Systems.
      The right way, comrades, keep it up. wassat
      1. Shura Sailors
        Shura Sailors 27 December 2017 13: 42 New
        +3
        What is there and where is it lost? What are the competencies? What are you talking about? Where are the Russian "competencies" in the production of gas turbines for warships ?! This is an example.
        In Ukraine, neither during the USSR, nor after, NEVER PRODUCED ARTSYSTEMS !!! Ammunition (and even for small arms) is produced in Lugansk (the reasons for the loss of production are known). Aircraft in Ukraine were built (and, horror, are built) only transport and passenger + a few "highly specialized. Rockets are built (yes, not compare with the old days, but still). With sea vessels the situation is worse, no doubt, 25 years of robbery do not pass without a trace ...
        Regarding the decline in production - it depends on how and where to look - for example, metallurgy in Ukraine is alive and even modernized in some places (this is said by a person who has been working at Ukrainian metallurgical enterprises all his conscious life). And the decrease in the consumption of natural gas is, in the last turn, connected with metallurgy (some metallurgical plants remained in Donbass and Ukraine does not supply them with gas based on Ukrainian data, production optimization is carried out by itself (adding pulverized coal mixture, blast furnace gas, etc.)) ...
        Why all this opus? Once there was one large country in which each subject was assigned a specific task (someone built ships, someone tanks, someone electronics), and all together they built a strong country. Now all this unity is poher. And each former “subject” became independent and chooses his own path - someone decided to become an agrarian power, someone lives on credit. And the right way or not is up to the people ...
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 27 December 2017 14: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Shura sailors
          And the right way or not is up to the people to decide.

          Well, people decide, but what's the point? And what is a people? This is a formless mass from which professionals mold public opinion. Usually works, sometimes not. But in the case of Ukraine, it worked. From a bunch of marginalized nationalists, they made a whole country of outspoken id.i.t.o.v.
        2. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya 27 December 2017 15: 14 New
          +3
          Can you tell me how many letaks Ukrainian plants produced in 2016 and 2017? Is the Antonov plant still producing aircraft? According to my information, the last Antonov aircraft was released in 2015, and now it produces only spare parts and serves them, so it is still alive. But already on its last legs lol
        3. RASKAT
          RASKAT 27 December 2017 15: 54 New
          +3
          Stop lying!
          Ammunition (and even for small arms) is produced in Lugansk (the reasons for the loss of production are known)
          State-owned enterprise Shostka factory "Star" In the Sumy region. Shostka Plant "Impulse" and the State Research Institute of Chemical Products. Here is a partial list of products of enterprises
          23-mm shots UOF7, UBR1
          30 mm UBR shots6, UOR6, UOF8
          100 mm ZUOF index shot17 with high-explosive fragmentation shell
          122 mm ZVOF index shots5, ZVO6 with high-explosive fragmentation shell
          122-mm index shot 53-VOF-463M with high-explosive shell
          125-mm tank shots with armor-piercing-ammunition shell
          125-mm tank shot index ZVBK10 with cumulative shells ZBK14 and ZBK14M
          125-mm tank shot of the ZVP index5 with a practical cumulative projectile [1]
          125 mm ZVOF index tank shot; 36 with high-explosive fragmentation shell
          125 mm Shot of the ZVP Index; 6 with a practical sub-caliber projectile
          125-mm blank shot index 4X33
          130-mm shot index 53-VOF-482ВУ with high-explosive shell
          smoky granular gunpowder
          fire-resistant cords of the OSh and OShP brands
          pyroxylin powder
          full variable charge in the case of index 4Г23 for shells of index 53-ОF-462, 53-ОF-462Ж, 53-БК-463У, 53-БК-463УМ to the 122-mm howitzer М-30 and Д-. After the Gos coup, the factories got you in working condition, your leadership handed them over to the guard of the National Guard, the plants stupidly looted. This I call the loss of competence. That is, the enterprises got in working condition, and then you yourself killed them. Or is it Putin again to blame for you?
          Further, as the list says.
          Ukrainian missile and artillery weapons and ammunition enterprises
          State Research Institute of Chemical Products
          State Enterprise "Balakley Repair Plant"
          State Enterprise "State Kiev Design Bureau" Luch ""
          State Enterprise "Znamenskaya repair base"
          SE "Design Bureau" Artillery Armament ""
          SE "Machine-building company" Artem ""
          State Enterprise "Scientific and Production Complex" Progress ""
          SE "Shepetovsky repair plant"
          Zhuliansky machine-building plant "Vizar"
          The state enterprise "Shostkinsky state-owned factory" Star ""
          State enterprise "Shostkinsky state factory" Impulse ""
          Lviv State Plant "LORTA"
          NTK "Precision Mechanics Plant"
          Ukrainian Research and Development Institute of Elastomeric Materials and Products
          Chemical Treasury Association named after G.I. Petrovsky
          The list of art weapons Only a few enterprises: KBAO completed the development of technical documentation and for the 2012 year it was ready to manufacture the 125-mm gun VNYAZ 50L, the 140 mm gun 55L Bagira, the 125-mm tank gun KBA-3K for the T- tank 55 and 125-mm gun KBM-1M for the T-72 tank. KBA-105 “Flurry” combat module, KBA-1 and KBA-3,152-mm towed howitzer KBA-27,82-mm mortar KBA-48, etc.
          And so in almost everything, aviation has one aircraft built in 2017 year, Metallurgy drop in three years from 33 million to 24 million tons. Machine-building finally laid down, Machine-tool building, Chemistry, etc. The rate of decline in all sectors over these three years is more than in the previous 20 years. From this ABLE leadership of the country, you will not say anything. good
          1. Shura Sailors
            Shura Sailors 12 January 2018 14: 37 New
            +1
            So I understand the data from Wiki? Indicated for the period of the collapse of the USSR?
    3. Per se.
      Per se. 27 December 2017 13: 09 New
      10
      Quote: jolly deckhand
      We write and mock everything about Ukraine
      The Germans were also mocked when they rolled the plywood models of tanks, and later Hitler bent France with some light TI and T-II. Let Dill is not Germany, and Bandera is not the Wehrmacht, but we should not underestimate the threat, especially since the States need war, and they will set off, and, therefore, help the former Ukraine with weapons and instructors. Before we laugh, that they will sweep away the Donbass, going to the borders of Russia, and after that, they will come to the Crimea to take them, under the righteous howl of the West. How many of these gunmen, “Armat” and “Kurgantsev”, do we have that have not yet been accepted for service, or haven’t we recommended ourselves? For export, all the capacities are ready to be connected in the same new tanks, we are loosing the “low-end” versions for ourselves ... Enough, F-35 shit, aircraft carriers are outdated, hi-hee about the real threat to Donbass and Crimea. Hurray-patriots, as obliging fools, are more dangerous than enemies, we need to be more serious about such things.
  2. Chichikov
    Chichikov 27 December 2017 11: 45 New
    12
    So what? Zimbabwe, too, is not capable ...
    After the collapse of the Union, Ukraine got the second largest military-industrial complex, the largest enterprises and research centers - pr .... polymers. This is because the Ukrainian elite is not a nationality - it is a profession!
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 27 December 2017 11: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Chichikov
      All because the Ukrainian elite is not a nationality - it is a profession

      The oldest profession!
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 27 December 2017 12: 22 New
        0
        most important profession
    2. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 27 December 2017 13: 46 New
      +2
      The second most important military-industrial complex, the second most powerful army in Europe ...
      "... give the fool a crystal male reproductive organ - he will break it anyway ..."
  3. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 27 December 2017 11: 46 New
    +5
    These pans even cannot do 82-mm mortar. What can I say about armored vehicles. Not to the level of Africa, siblings.
    1. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 27 December 2017 13: 53 New
      +2
      They can do it, and even put it on the stream (if there is such a goal). The question is different - who needs it? Do you really think that the political elite in Ukraine thinks about the people? There are thoughts about one thing - to fill your pockets, and burn the rest with a blue flame. Population problems in most cases remain population problems
  4. Sergey53
    Sergey53 27 December 2017 11: 48 New
    11
    Nobody can compete with Kurganets-25, due to the fact that he is not yet there.
    1. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 27 December 2017 13: 54 New
      +1
      Exactly! How can you compete with what is not ?! request
  5. Masya masya
    Masya masya 27 December 2017 11: 50 New
    +5
    excuse me repeat ! e ... t
    all that can move

    and what, doesn’t move then move !!!
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 27 December 2017 12: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Masya Masya
      and what, doesn’t move then move !!!

      square roll round carry
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 27 December 2017 12: 49 New
        +4
        Sergei! love + + + + + + good
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 27 December 2017 12: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Masya Masya
          Sergei! love + + + + + + good

          Hi love hi smile
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 27 December 2017 13: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: LSA57
        square roll round carry

        And by all means paint everything in 4BO. smile
  6. Dormidont
    Dormidont 27 December 2017 11: 55 New
    +4
    So to speak, the technology of the non-brothers is beyond competition
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 27 December 2017 12: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: Dormidont
      So to speak, the technology of the non-brothers is beyond competition


    2. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 27 December 2017 13: 57 New
      +1
      And what do Ukrainians have to do with your non-brothers Germans? You haven’t messed up anything?
      PS although the picture itself is cool hi
  7. fridge
    fridge 27 December 2017 11: 59 New
    +2
    Vnaukraina is already incapable of much, well, Russia needs to be compared with the wretched.)) Selyuki took power, and Selyuk he was a farm laborer for life, his industry does not care, everyone for sebe! And they can crap without advanced technology, which we see and will see soon.
    1. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 27 December 2017 14: 07 New
      +3
      Dear, you run into "bad words" in your address. Your words “compare Russia and the wretched” resemble the words of the German Nazis about the superiority of one nation over another. Do not notice?
      Selyuk (peasant) in Ukraine is not much different from a peasant (selyuk) in Russia - it also works on fields and farms ...
      And crap can (if desired and appropriate education) not only at the forefront, but also on the Internet (it’s even safer) hi
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 27 December 2017 15: 16 New
        +1
        Selyuk is a brain condition and a diagnosis.
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 27 December 2017 12: 11 New
    0
    That is, the authors of this news were going to fight with Ukraine?
  9. cannabis
    cannabis 27 December 2017 12: 19 New
    +1
    It is not clear who and why is fanning this military hysteria. We have exactly the same fleet of military vehicles as in Ukraine. The same BMP. For that matter, it’s painlessly possible to strengthen the armor of BMP -1 and 2 to a weight of 18 tons. In this case, the BMP will retain mobility at the level of the T-34 tank. For some reason, no one says that each BMP-1 company is a self-propelled battery of 73 mm cannons capable of solving the simplest fire tasks in the interests of a battalion company. Forget about it, maybe they didn’t know? Any technique must be used rationally, and not driven to slaughter under the cries of "forward!" with bulging eyes.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 27 December 2017 12: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: cunning
      able to solve the simplest fire missions in the interests of the company battalion.

      That's it, the simplest. and modern warfare is not a "simple" task. You can just as well equip infantry with slingshots. they will fulfill the simplest task of mocking the enemy to complete disruption
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 27 December 2017 13: 23 New
      0
      Quote: cunning
      Any technique must be used rationally, and not driven to slaughter under the cries of "forward!" with bulging eyes

      Let me remind you that technology, in itself, does not mean anything. And she is only as good as the crews know how well she is. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a comprehensive military training program has not been established. So the "take-off and landing", according to a simplified scheme, the more so, the contingent in the aria is not the best, the most competent slanted. But they thump there notably.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 December 2017 13: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: cunning
      For that matter, it’s painlessly possible to strengthen the armor of BMP -1 and 2 to a weight of 18 tons.

      At the cost of abandoning buoyancy. BMP with enhanced armor for more than 30 years - they were used in Afghanistan.
      Quote: cunning
      For some reason, no one says that each BMP-1 company is a self-propelled battery of 73 mm guns capable of solving the simplest fire tasks in the interests of a battalion company.

      EMNIP, after 08.08.08 BMP-1 from brigades and divisions were removed, replacing BMP-2. And they remained only in cropped compounds - along with "shilki" and other antiques.
    4. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 27 December 2017 14: 11 New
      +1
      Probably the only adequate comment!
  10. Morglenn
    Morglenn 27 December 2017 12: 36 New
    +2
    Ukraine may not be, but Russia has exactly the same fleet of equipment, and all these Kurgan people only promise every year, but the army just saw them. And it seems to me that they won’t reach the troops (
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 27 December 2017 13: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Morglenn
      but in Russia the exact same fleet of vehicles.

      in urkain already T-90 do and deliver to the troops? I am silent about aviation

      But we certainly don’t have such equipment

    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 December 2017 17: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Morglenn
      Ukraine may not be, but Russia has exactly the same fleet of equipment.

      Not really. BMP-1 was removed to warehouses and cropped parts. BTR-60 remained only as a base for KShM and radio stations. Under the contract for the modernization of the BMP-2 and BMD-2 with the installation of the module “bank”, a new workshop was built in Tula.
  11. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 27 December 2017 14: 04 New
    0
    nevertheless, I consider it stupid to compare the old in the army with the new, but absent in the army. and the fact that old cars quickly get out is logical. with such saturation of any unit with anti-tank weapons that BMP / BTR are not designed for. and even if you fight in urban conditions.
  12. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 28 December 2017 11: 10 New
    0
    We have both BMP-2 and BMP-3, we are waiting for the "Kurganets", with the armored personnel carriers we are also generally okay on the 80th, 82-A, we are waiting for the "Boomerang"
  13. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 28 December 2017 15: 05 New
    +2
    Nobody in the army has ever seen these Armats, Kurganians and Boomerangs. What really goes into the army is the junk from Soviet stocks, which has been modernized to varying degrees. There is nothing to boast about.
  14. Kerensky
    Kerensky 28 December 2017 15: 57 New
    0
    And we also have the most powerful group of deep-sea spacecraft. Something no one seeks to compete with us!
  15. Cynic
    Cynic 3 January 2018 18: 40 New
    0
    Create?
    Urkaina is no longer able to support the production of old BTT models, and you're talking about new ones!
    Whatever the supply contract is scandal!