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Rostec: Ankara will receive a loan from Moscow to purchase S-400 air defense systems

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The head of Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, said that Moscow is going to allocate a loan to Ankara so that it could pay Russia for the supply and maintenance of the C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. According to Chemezov, the funds contributed by the Turkish side as an advance will be about 45% of the total. The rest (55%) is the credit funds of the Russian Federation.


This was the head of "Rostec" said in an interview with the newspaper Kommersant.

It was noted that all financial documents for the supply of Turkey's C-400 air defense systems were prepared for signing. The signing itself should take place before the beginning of next year. The total amount of the transaction on the acquisition by Turkey of the 4-x divisions of the C-400 air defense missile system - 2,5 billion dollars.

Rostec: Ankara will receive a loan from Moscow to purchase S-400 air defense systems


According to Sergey Chemezov, C-400 air defense systems should be delivered to Turkey in 2020. Some time ago, the press passed information that Ankara would receive Russian anti-aircraft missile systems previously announced by Sergey Chemezov.

At the moment, there is no exact data on what percentage, term, and through which financial and credit organization Turkey will receive a loan from Russia.

Recall that earlier concerns about the desire of Turkey to acquire the C-400 air defense system were expressed in NATO, stating that these complexes cannot be integrated into the NATO air defense system.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 27 December 2017 06: 16
    29
    And why not give it? And what about our dead pilot? Doesn’t hiccup?
    1. Evgeny Strygin
      Evgeny Strygin 27 December 2017 06: 18
      +9
      some hucksters communicate well with others. Specifically for us there is no difference between them.
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 27 December 2017 07: 16
        20
        Ohr raised in the morning. And what to yell. The money will practically go to the S-400 manufacturers. And the percentage for this financing will be paid by the Turks.
        What a bad thing. Well, besides your mood? laughing
        Sixty-seventh, the nuclear power plant is not credited. The station is Russian. Turks will buy electricity. What doesn’t suit you here? What is not being built in your country house, but on Turkish soil? So the Turks will pay more than buying electricity. And the Russian people make the reactors and equipment and get paid for it.

        What is better, saddened, to invest in own production or in securities of mattresses? Have you decided yet? Or everything is bad and we all die, aaaaaaaaa ..... wassat
        1. Alone
          Alone 27 December 2017 07: 38
          16
          Are you aware of the payback period laid down in the Turkish nuclear power plant?
          Regarding this case, the parable. Korotko. The man argued with the vizier that for 20 gold after 20 years the donkey will teach the scripture to speak. Then, after the argument, he tells the judge who testified to this argument - "what about me, after 20 years, either I either the vizier or the donkey will die, and I will use the gold now. "
          1. akribos
            akribos 27 December 2017 23: 29
            +1
            Come on. Dumb before our eyes. If earlier domestic policy raised many questions, then the last steps in foreign policy are very alarming, an attempt to get short-term benefits and a lack of vision for the future. Apparently, the main goal of our elites is just elections.
        2. AID.S
          AID.S 27 December 2017 07: 57
          10
          Quote: Vladimir16
          The station is Russian. Turks will buy electricity.

          Well, how will they refuse? They will say: "u ... e together with the station!" Or just pick it up. The option of an atomic scientist in a white coat, on the last breath of a turning person, does not offer the self-destruction key.
        3. Evgeny Strygin
          Evgeny Strygin 27 December 2017 08: 53
          13
          About NPPs, in general, it’s wonderful - yes, we are building something that will not pay off during our lifetimes to our best friends in the world, and in which case we will be sent where necessary. Five-point investment in our production. It seems to me that this decision is in no way connected with the interests of our production or is strange at all.
        4. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 27 December 2017 09: 30
          +9
          Quote: Vladimir16
          The station is Russian. Turks will buy electricity.

          A year ago, they nationalized a subsidiary of Gazprom with a graceful stroke of the pen. And there was nothing for them. They didn’t even get off with tomatoes.
          https://topwar.ru/105896-smi-gazprom-mozhet-poter
          yat-svoi-aktivy-v-turcii.html
          And do you still believe that they will buy something?
        5. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 27 December 2017 09: 46
          +9
          Quote: Vladimir16
          What doesn’t suit you here? What is not being built in your country house, but on Turkish soil? So the Turks will pay more than buying electricity. And the Russian people make the reactors and equipment and get paid for it.

          That would be appropriate in the case of a floating nuclear power plant! If something is wrong, they drove to another consumer, and build nuclear power plants on the ground, under the threat of nationalization at any time, and even attracting Turkish contractors (ordinary builders with equipment, they will obviously not drive from Russia), and yes, at their own expense, very profitable ...
        6. katana
          katana 27 December 2017 09: 58
          +5
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Ohr raised in the morning. And what to yell. The money will practically go to the S-400 manufacturers. And the percentage for this financing will be paid by the Turks.
          What a bad thing. Well, besides your mood? laughing
          Sixty-seventh, the nuclear power plant is not credited. The station is Russian. Turks will buy electricity. What doesn’t suit you here? What is not being built in your country house, but on Turkish soil? So the Turks will pay more than buying electricity. And the Russian people make the reactors and equipment and get paid for it.

          What is better, saddened, to invest in own production or in securities of mattresses? Have you decided yet? Or everything is bad and we all die, aaaaaaaaa ..... wassat

          Selling Turkey’s air defense systems on credit is a smart move, but I don’t think it’s a smart move to build the Akkuyu NPP in Turkey completely for Russian money - the payback period of this project is very doubtful, not to mention the fact that your country investing tens of billions of $ to Turkey, risks "getting off not only with tomatoes" in the event of an aggravation of Russian-Turkish relations, to put it simple, the Russian authorities voluntarily give the Turks a powerful club against themselves. But you are right - Russia is not very competitive in many sectors of the economy and another alternative is investment to American OFZs. That's why your government is taking such a risk - Russia simply does not have the technologies that it could offer on the international market.
        7. Piramidon
          Piramidon 27 December 2017 10: 24
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir16
          And the percentage for this financing will be paid by the Turks.

          Tomatoes?
    2. svp67
      svp67 27 December 2017 06: 24
      24
      Quote: 210ox
      And why not give it?

      Well, Erdogan can do it without us ....
      The head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, announced that Moscow was going to give Ankara a loan so that it could pay off with Russia for the supply and maintenance of S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems.
      Awesome financial policy with us, weapons on credit, nuclear power plants in Turkey on credit, Streams and Strength for OUR money, plus the purchase of US government funds, which the United States can close “democratically” and “technically” with decades and is it worth it to be surprised after that that gas prices are rising "by leaps and bounds" ....
      1. Letun
        Letun 27 December 2017 07: 00
        16
        Quote: svp67
        Awesome financial policy, weapons on credit

        Not just weapons on credit, but weapons to a NATO member country on credit. I am not sleeping? It does not fit in the head ...
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 27 December 2017 07: 03
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        Awesome financial policy with us, weapons on credit, nuclear power plants in Turkey on credit, Streams and Strength for OUR money, plus the purchase of US government investments, which the United States invested in,

        By the way, we are building our own nuclear power plant. And if the pipes are foreign, then you will have to pay for transit. Also an ambush. And so it is called soft power. If anything - Tomatoes. Erdogan already knows what is not tasty
        1. Evgeny Strygin
          Evgeny Strygin 27 December 2017 08: 55
          +2
          I have news for you - you will have to pay for transit. Well, you know, it's not the pipes.
          Such a strategy is bad in relation to anyone, and with the Turks it means putting yourself in a knee-elbow position.
      3. Observer2014
        Observer2014 27 December 2017 07: 20
        10
        svp67
        Awesome financial policy with us, weapons on credit, nuclear power plants in Turkey on credit, Streams and Strength for OUR money, plus the purchase of US government funds, which the United States can close “democratically” and “technically” with decades and is it worth it to be surprised after that that gas prices are rising "by leaps and bounds" ....
        You noticed. Plus, they still do everything so that the people’s work is not normally paid .. The Russian people are kept special in poverty. And our authorities have everything for this. Before the elections, they will again increase the salary of the military. Well, so what. And after the elections they will do everything to lower the ruble. They don’t know how to work differently. Think of a mortgage. So that apartments, for example, before the mortgage cost 10 ue. And with the adoption of a mortgage of 000, plus another interest for a mortgage loan for 100 years. Do these people know how to manage the country?
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 27 December 2017 08: 51
          +2
          Quote: Observer2014
          svp67
          Awesome financial policy with us, weapons on credit, nuclear power plants in Turkey on credit, Streams and Strength for OUR money, plus the purchase of US government funds, which the United States can close “democratically” and “technically” with decades and is it worth it to be surprised after that that gas prices are rising "by leaps and bounds" ....
          You noticed. Plus, they still do everything so that the people’s work is not normally paid .. The Russian people are kept special in poverty. And our authorities have everything for this. Before the elections, they will again increase the salary of the military. Well, so what. And after the elections they will do everything to lower the ruble. They don’t know how to work differently. Think of a mortgage. So that apartments, for example, before the mortgage cost 10 ue. And with the adoption of a mortgage of 000, plus another interest for a mortgage loan for 100 years. Do these people know how to manage the country?

          Do not disturb the Russian people in their choice of president! bully
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 30 December 2017 14: 31
            0
            https://mihajlopotapych.livejournal.com/570507.ht
            ml
        2. Evgeny Strygin
          Evgeny Strygin 27 December 2017 08: 59
          +1
          specialist? no. It’s just that someone should be very rich, that someone should be very poor.
          And given our place in the general capitalist system, it couldn’t be otherwise.
          This is all natural and consistent.
      4. Herculesic
        Herculesic 27 December 2017 07: 30
        +2
        Chemezova would be in the "drying", but what in the sky of Syria, on the border with the Turks flew! fool
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 27 December 2017 08: 49
          +2
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Chemezova would be in the "drying", but what in the sky of Syria, on the border with the Turks flew! fool

          naive ... what does the chemez have to do with it? he is a talking head ...
      5. katana
        katana 27 December 2017 10: 08
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: 210ox
        And why not give it?

        Well, Erdogan can do it without us ....
        The head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, announced that Moscow was going to give Ankara a loan so that it could pay off with Russia for the supply and maintenance of S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems.
        Awesome financial policy with us, weapons on credit, nuclear power plants in Turkey on credit, Streams and Strength for OUR money, plus the purchase of US government funds, which the United States can close “democratically” and “technically” with decades and is it worth it to be surprised after that that gas prices are rising "by leaps and bounds" ....

        The main chip and the dog buried in this sale of the S-400 air defense system is not that the Turks get them on credit, but the main "BYAKA" here is that Russia transfers the production technology of the S-400 air defense system! That's where the dog is buried. Americans and Europeans They refused to sell air defense systems to Turkey along with technologies, but the Russian Federation, if not strange, agreed. request
    3. Sergey53
      Sergey53 27 December 2017 09: 43
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      And why not give it? And what about our dead pilot? Doesn’t hiccup?

      We do not have money in the budget, but we are holding on. And we have loans to the left and to the right. There is no money for the rise of its industry and agricultural production, and there IS IS for the construction of a nuclear power plant in Turkey. What, again, we decided to get into this hole, and then forgive everyone? Enough already? When will we face our people, and not a causal place?
  2. populist
    populist 27 December 2017 06: 18
    +5
    According to Chemezov, the funds that the Turkish side makes as an advance will amount to approximately 45% of the total.

    For their money, arm the Turks with missiles? The authorities have something with the head! Capital "roof" went. wassat wassat fool
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 27 December 2017 07: 16
      10
      Quote: populist
      For their money, arm the Turks with missiles? The authorities have something with the head! Capital "roof" went.


      if the actions of the state do not look logical from the outside, then as a rule this means that the observer does not have enough information to understand them.
      or someone forces or this action is part of a plan pursuing strategic goals in the future.
      such things don’t solve, there is always logic
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 27 December 2017 07: 26
        +2
        That's right. There is logic. Who will build the Turkish air defense. He will get rich
  3. Monos
    Monos 27 December 2017 06: 20
    +7
    stating that these systems cannot be integrated into the NATO air defense system.

    And what is this "NATO air defense system"? Do they have a single air defense system? Something I had not heard about this before ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 December 2017 08: 33
      +3
      Something I had not heard about this before ...

      And do they not have Aegis integrated into the air defense / missile defense system? However, it is rather not about integration, but about external target designation or guidance of interceptor aircraft. The protocols for transmitting information are different, F-16 will not be able to receive the CPU from C-400 and generally work together. Defenders of "friend or foe" are also different, you will have to push the identifiers of US and European production boards into the C-400 system. And this is a direct intervention in the on-board systems of aircraft. And so on ... This is what the United States is afraid of.
      They do not have a very good relationship with Turkey, and now they have such a present in the form of the Russian air defense system. Money floated by, maybe something bigger floated away. For example, Turkey will leave NATO ... respectively, US bases will be invited to exit.
      1. Monos
        Monos 27 December 2017 08: 39
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak
        And do they not have Aegis integrated into the air defense / missile defense system?

        I would not call it unified system. Germany, France and other Italians have no “Aegis” (correct if I'm wrong). So ... separate elements in separate places. And the rest - I agree.
      2. katana
        katana 27 December 2017 10: 16
        +1
        Turkey put forward only one condition when buying any air defense systems - the seller should share with the buyer the technologies for the production of air defense systems. The United States did not agree with the EU, but Russia agreed. Over the years, we’ll look at the benefits of Russia and Turkey from this transaction - but for now it’s clearly visible that the short-term effect of $ 2,5 billion may be lost by Turkey’s ability to make a breakthrough in the segment of production of long-range air defense systems and the appearance of a new competitor in the global arms market.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 27 December 2017 11: 52
          0
          may be confused by Turkey's ability to make a breakthrough in the production of long-range air defense systems

          Something I doubt that Turkey will be given the technology of long-range missiles. We ourselves cried their cat. Given that all export modifications of military equipment go in a simplified form, Turkey will receive roughly what China received. Well, maybe a little modified under the terms of the customer. The inscriptions in Turkish will be stuck.)))
          Again, to create a similar air defense system, it takes years and the introduction of a bunch of indirect technologies. The development, including very specific production. China how much is already koryachivaetsya, copies our engines? I copied, yes. Outwardly ... the resource leaves much to be desired. And here is something I don’t remember in Turkey of high-tech production.
          But to sell the Russian air defense system to NATO, and even on credit, is priceless.
  4. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 27 December 2017 06: 23
    +5
    We still didn’t forgive the Turks. Need to try. Say, for permission to pump gas through their territory. It’s quite politically correct. And there is always someone to justify this outrage. "Negative economic growth" is an example.
  5. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 27 December 2017 06: 24
    +1
    "Red Book Reptiles" !!!
  6. Vitas
    Vitas 27 December 2017 06: 27
    +3
    Shooting down the Su-24, the Turks were convinced that their air defense did not work and ordered the S-400. Politics gentlemen, there are no eternal friends and enemies, there is only a national interest (I hope it is national, and not oligarch-baryzhny).
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 27 December 2017 06: 42
      +7
      Quote: Vitas
      (I hope he is a national, not an oligarch-baryzhny).

      Hope .. Do not go to a fortuneteller that they will forgive a debt with time. Forgive and share ...
      After all
      At the moment, there is no exact data on what percentage, term, and through which financial and credit organization Turkey will receive a loan from Russia.
    2. Evgeny Strygin
      Evgeny Strygin 28 December 2017 22: 53
      0
      There is no hope. it is all disgusting and stupid. Pure biology textbook with a description of the unpretentious behavior of animals.
  7. MadCat
    MadCat 27 December 2017 06: 43
    +6
    A country entering the NATO bloc will be financed by Russia, is Turkey really so poor? Or is it payback so that the planes no longer shoot down? fellow
    1. midivan
      midivan 27 December 2017 06: 54
      +2
      Quote: MadCat
      A country entering the NATO bloc will be financed by Russia, is Turkey really so poor?

      I also visited the same thought, but they push the Turks at any cost, it’s unlikely for NATO to troll, it’s more for strife, and on the last statements about entering the EEC they put the Turks on a par with Ukraine, it is possible to drag them completely to their side, on the basis of pride and fervent temper of Erdogan, if anything so terrible, credit, this implies interest and an ally, albeit not entirely reliable, but ours in that region is not even bad, there are not a few prerequisites for this.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 December 2017 12: 44
      +2
      Quote: MadCat
      A country entering the NATO bloc will be financed by Russia, is Turkey really so poor?

      Elementary commerce. Credit is not credit, but it is money. And our defense plants need orders in order to create new weapons for our army. Our Moscow region cannot buy so much weapons that the defense industry enterprises refuse to export.
      Quote: MadCat
      Or is it payback so that the planes no longer shoot down?

      No, dear, it’s not repayable. Russia does not need complications in that region. That is why neither the Turks nor the Israelis nor the coalition planes began to shoot down. We do not need a second Afghanistan, in which we are stuck to the ears for a long time.
      As for the purchase by the Turks of our air defense systems ... firstly, we do not transfer technologies to them. Secondly: these air defense systems will have truncated performance characteristics. Third: we supply them with S-400 and we deliver them missiles, otherwise it’s just guiding empty launchers and nothing more. In case of any contradictions between us, the supply of missiles will cease and Turkey with what will remain? Further ... the Turks are now on the counter with the United States and this is in our hands, maybe Turkey was a strong argument in that region with NATO. Shame the Turks with mattresses on our hands. This will weaken the influence of the United States on BV.
  8. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 27 December 2017 06: 45
    +3
    At the moment, there is no exact data on what percentage, term, and through which financial and credit organization Turkey will receive a loan from Russia.

    Let them get through Sberbank, since they have become impoverished for so much.
    However, I don’t understand - why give a loan to Turkey. The country is not poor, it is a member of NATO again - accomplices will help.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 December 2017 08: 35
      +1
      accomplices will help.

      They are not enemies to themselves ... why should they help them buy air defense systems competing with the Patriot?
  9. samarin1969
    samarin1969 27 December 2017 06: 47
    +6
    Is this a joke or what? Does Russia give a loan to a NATO country for the purchase of exclusive high-tech weapons? ... Turkey is a completely rich state, why a loan?
    ... or without the “Turkish stream” Russia - “no way”? ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 27 December 2017 10: 11
      +6
      of course nothing, one must go to the polls with something - but for now there is nothing to show except for the "victory" in Syria. Missiles with satellites are falling, icebreakers are moving late, production is falling, they were humiliated below the plinth with the Olympics - at least show some achievements on TV to the people before the elections, and then Grudinin looms
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 December 2017 07: 06
    +5
    Ofanaret, the Turks who have a good loot on us have managed to have the same and we take it! This is what kind of kickback they needed to pay, that our power to creed to creed? ??? fool
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 27 December 2017 07: 21
      +7
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Ofanaret, the Turks who have a good loot on us have managed to have the same and we take it! This is what kind of kickback they needed to pay, that our power to creed to creed? ???


      credit is debt, the debtor owes you. debt can be replaced with something that will bring more benefits than the amount of debt.
      every time someone writes off debt to someone, the debtor pays in kind.
      there are no free rolls in nature
      1. zyzx
        zyzx 27 December 2017 07: 31
        +4
        They can also forgive a loan, or you yourself can forgive it yourself, a nuclear power plant can be nationalized. And there seek the truth, in the European courts ...
        1. midivan
          midivan 27 December 2017 07: 57
          +4
          Quote: zyzx
          A nuclear power plant can be nationalized. And there seek the truth, in the European courts ...

          Do not get it wrong, I'm just very far from nuclear power plants, what will nationalization look like? Where will they take fuel? Not really ours against the background of Ukraine did not draw conclusions and did not make sure that now you can’t put a foreign core into our station? And the experts, or the Turks in the field of atom of dogs, ate more than a Korean?
          1. zyzx
            zyzx 27 December 2017 08: 30
            +1
            The tragedy at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant occurred precisely because of an error in the construction of the rods (professors of the St. Petersburg Research Institute, they blocked themselves, dumping everything on the station employees). Right now Westinghouse is training for a stole, and it will be able to replace our rods with all the fighters with a bloody Rusnya.
            1. midivan
              midivan 27 December 2017 08: 49
              +1
              Quote: zyzx
              The tragedy at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant occurred precisely because of an error in the construction of the rods (professors of the St. Petersburg Research Institute, they blocked themselves, dumping everything on the station employees).

              Can I read about this somewhere? Wouldn't that kind of info be used by liberalists and howled on this basis?
              Quote: zyzx
              . Right now Westinghouse is training for a stole, and it will be able to replace our rods with all the fighters with a bloody Rusnya.

              It turns out that the new stations do not differ at all from the previous ones? You have already upset me, you thought we were farsighted in this area.
              1. zyzx
                zyzx 27 December 2017 09: 18
                +2
                A.S. Dyatlov. Chernobyl How it was.
                Great book. No, the rods of course after the tragedy, modified. And the reactors of the St. Petersburg project, it seems, are no longer being built.
                Here I wanted to say more that the rods themselves are part of the reactor, which is dangerous to install from the side, but the Ukrainians have shown that it is possible.
                1. midivan
                  midivan 27 December 2017 09: 56
                  +1
                  hi Thank you!
                  Quote: zyzx
                  Here I wanted to say more that the rods themselves are part of the reactor, which is dangerous to install from the side, but the Ukrainians have shown that it is possible.

                  Understood, well, everything seems to be clear there, judging by Solovyov’s transfer laughing
                2. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 27 December 2017 10: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: zyzx
                  the rods themselves are part of the reactor, which is dangerous to install from the side, but the Ukrainians then showed what is possible.

                  Yes, they have shown a lot of things over the past three to four years. wassat And the rods still come out sideways. yes
          2. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 27 December 2017 09: 35
            +1
            Quote: midivan
            Do not get it wrong, I'm just very far from nuclear power plants, what will nationalization look like?

            Just like the nationalized Gazprom subsidiary a year ago.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 27 December 2017 07: 34
        +3
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        credit is debt, the debtor owes you. debt can be replaced with something that will bring more benefits than the amount of debt.

        Just don’t be offended (!) .... when did you say a clever idea ... did Ukraine “pop up” in memory?
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 27 December 2017 08: 19
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Just don’t be offended (!) .... when did you say a clever idea ... did Ukraine “pop up” in memory?


          grimacing to you not to face.

          Ukraine alone didn’t fall on big pennies in our world. in 91 it is thought and Russia took a couple of pounds on credit. and many other debtor wanders.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 27 December 2017 10: 31
            +1
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            grimacing to you not to face.

            I apologize for this! I won’t.

            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            Ukraine alone didn’t fall on big pennies in our world. in 91 it is thought and Russia took a couple of pounds on credit. and many other debtor wanders.

            Alas, you didn’t understand me. The point is not that Ukraine "borrowed" (and Russia borrowed, and others ...); but that Ukraine is making considerable efforts not to repay debts ! When this country takes a loan, it does so with the “feeling” that it is not necessary to give it to her and give it back later! It turns out that the Kiev regime categorically (!) Does not want to pay money with Russia or anything else! So explain how to interpret your phrase: “debt can be replaced with something that will bring more benefits than the amount of debt” - in relation to Ukraine? hi
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 27 December 2017 15: 33
              0
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              ; and the fact that Ukraine is making considerable efforts not to repay debts!


              I think Ukraine is even working out its debts. maybe not Russian but western for sure
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 27 December 2017 16: 07
                +1
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                maybe not Russian but western for sure

                Maybe so ..... but Russia is not easier on this!
      3. Herculesic
        Herculesic 27 December 2017 07: 35
        +6
        Only now our authorities manage to write off the creedites from other countries, and not like, for example, the Chinese, who stipulate return of territories with cash when they do not return cash, you can take enterprises, minerals, on account of the debt, the debtor country will open a supply base at its own expense .... Many there are ways, but not like ours, just forgiven! !!!!
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 27 December 2017 11: 03
          0
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Only now our authorities manage to write off kridit from other countries, and not like the Chinese, for example, who stipulate the return of the return territories in cash

          I apologize. And who did China take the territory from for loan defaults?
  11. gukoyan
    gukoyan 27 December 2017 07: 08
    +4
    Ahahaha, well, well, and then this loan will be forgiven)))))
  12. Dave36
    Dave36 27 December 2017 07: 26
    +3
    And what is surprising is that we either buy loyalty, or win by force, while we buy ... nothing new was invented.
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 December 2017 07: 31
    +5
    It started. And what, the loan is not your income? Is this a type of GIFT? Taking into account the cost of the S-400 system in RUB, 45% of the advance payment is the total cost. And the rest is net income, and even with interest. The transaction amount for the Turkish budget is monstrous, of course, they cannot pull without a loan. This is a worldwide practice. Lending. Or are we expecting that the Turks, like Ukraine, will not return the loan to us? This is far less likely than Ukraine’s failure to comply with a London court decision.
    1. Antony
      Antony 27 December 2017 08: 03
      +3
      Took off the language)) and still guaranteed loading of production facilities.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 27 December 2017 10: 07
      +2
      Or are we expecting that the Turks, like Ukraine, will not return the loan to us? This is far less likely than Ukraine’s failure to comply with a London court decision.
      Well, Venezuela has been “restructuring” for a long time - that is, it still doesn’t pay. And then, during its reign, GDP was written off by loans of more than 100 billion - who after that will give them now ?!
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  15. cannabis
    cannabis 27 December 2017 07: 43
    +6
    Turks - a loan. The people - an advance payment for utilities. (And who will not pay in advance - turn off the gas!)
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 27 December 2017 08: 58
      +1
      Can you throw proof about the trip? Or do you want to poke while everyone whines?
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 27 December 2017 09: 05
        0
        The film "Diamond Arm". Or just want to .. get it?
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 27 December 2017 09: 14
          0
          Clear. Those. you are just a nonsense. And your word is not worth a penny. Ugh to be like that.
          1. cannabis
            cannabis 27 December 2017 09: 17
            +1
            How do you live with such a vile "inner world"? Probably no one likes. It happens......
  16. Baloo
    Baloo 27 December 2017 08: 28
    +1
    Ankara will receive a loan from Moscow to purchase S-400 air defense systems

    There are guarantees that they will return? belay Just not tomatoes, while we ourselves have enough locals.
  17. Shadow shooter
    Shadow shooter 27 December 2017 09: 13
    0
    If in the near future Erdogan nevertheless withdraws Turkey from NATO, I will say that a person who commits a good grandmaster for this deal. If this does not happen, then it is not clear what is happening at the top request
  18. FLOOD
    FLOOD 27 December 2017 09: 54
    +1
    [quote = Wedmak] [quote] For example, Turkey will leave NATO ... respectively, US bases will be invited to exit. [/ quote]
    And this is already coming. Here you need to be a little more sensitive to what is happening. A downed plane, a failed coup d'etat, a killed ambassador .... I don’t want to impose anything on anyone, but I’ll try to imagine what would have happened if these incidents had not occurred. Turkey is making a clear roll in the direction of the Russian Federation, and Russia also benefits from a partner with economic (especially rapidly developing) and military potential. At the expense of misunderstandings, so who doesn’t this happen to ?! If the Americans and the Japanese get along after everything that has happened (the proportions are incommensurable), the Germans get along with the whole of Europe and practically feed it, and all this has the only goal of harming (to put it mildly) Russia, then why Russia and Turkey will not unite in an alliance (at least economic and political, not excluding the military)? At VO very often offensive statements about Turkey are highlighted. Are some forum users aware of all the global, strategic, political and military plans of the leadership of the Russian Federation?
  19. Garden1212
    Garden1212 27 December 2017 09: 56
    0

    Words can not be thrown out.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 27 December 2017 10: 10
      0
      In secret, I’m not a drinker, but you can believe me ... I’m honest. I don’t know how to lie, but I really do not like to deceive. Well it is so ... :)
      1. Seal
        Seal 9 January 2018 17: 30
        0
        What is characteristic is that this expression on the Internet expanses in two editions.
        First as above .. "Do not believe the drinker."
        The second - the opposite - "Do not trust the non-drinker."
        Apparently it all depends on who writes.
    2. Seal
      Seal 9 January 2018 17: 29
      +1
      Oh, how many allegedly spoken expressions were attributed to Peter the Great.
      Well, you can say, when Peter the Great allegedly uttered this expression, who was the witness, who wrote ...
      By the way, what is characteristic is that this expression on the Internet wanders in two editions.
      The first one is like yours .. do not believe the drinker.
      The second is the opposite. Do not believe the non-drinker.
      Apparently it all depends on who writes.
      The teetotalers give the editors: "Do not believe the drinker ...".
      Well, so to speak, aquanauts ... give your editors.
  20. Normal ok
    Normal ok 27 December 2017 10: 59
    0
    Rostec: Ankara will receive a loan from Moscow to purchase S-400 air defense systems

    Any whim - for our money. Something like this.
  21. dvvv
    dvvv 27 December 2017 11: 23
    0
    all this is complicated and risky. After the chaos went on in the world, only Americans are not afraid for their loans and their entourage. The Turks may set a purchase price such that it becomes very sad for this NPP to work or find some defects in technologies with Greenpeace so that the station is closed and you have to depend on them. As for the S-400, then maybe the Turks will be allowed to sit at the screens of Russian specialists, and they themselves will fly around on the F-35, which they promised to sell to them. After improvements, it will be possible to fly around the air defense system and see how and what it can do. Although I do not exclude the usual cut dough friends heaps
  22. Lesorub
    Lesorub 27 December 2017 11: 34
    0
    The remainder (55%) is credit funds from the Russian Federation.

    Nightmare? Rave? What is wrong with those in power ??? Not only did they sell the country to NATO and obviously to the country that always holds the “knife” behind their backs, they donated more than half the cost of these complexes !!!)))) The notorious States of the Petriots sell their partner dearly for three! Undercover policy!
  23. Ural resident
    Ural resident 27 December 2017 11: 34
    +2
    A great deal, loans for the purchase of weapons, a world practice - the United States so captured the entire market.
    Well, and strategically - we get controlled air defense at hand, instead of the Americans missile defense.
    Another argument for Turkey is not to fight with us, and Erdoganushka’s defense in the event of a confrontation with the United States.
    In the future, various political turns are possible on the basis of such air defense, not excluding the joint security system over Asia Minor, the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea.
    And in the event of a conflict, it’s better to resist our systems than aliens, and the aliens there were just around the corner - the missile defense position areas are only expanding - and this is worse than Erdoganushka with a grenade.
  24. Thracian warrior
    Thracian warrior 27 December 2017 11: 49
    0
    Quote: TUFAN
    Are some forum users aware of all the global, strategic, political and military plans of the leadership of the Russian Federation?
    He drank dough, that's all plani.
    It took only one saying to answer. laughing
  25. agel26r
    agel26r 27 December 2017 11: 59
    0
    What kind of nonsense in the article ???
    [/ quote] According to Sergei Chemezov, deliveries of S-400 air defense systems to Syria should take place in 2020. [quote]
    Is it about Turkey or about Syria ??? What did the author smoke ????
  26. HMR333
    HMR333 27 December 2017 12: 00
    +1
    well, they don’t give and sell, they introduce them on credit and then they finish building the flow and they can deduct the next povad from Ankara to no longer do stupidities of vile things! Yes, I agree that the pilot was shot down, but if there is a chance to restore relations, they should not be missed. Blood feuds have nothing good. There are many similar examples in the world!
  27. ADT
    ADT 27 December 2017 13: 36
    0
    The Turks fooled for a long time, then we’ll buy, or maybe we’ll buy, we’ll just give the final answer ...
    Only yesterday, somewhere here, I recalled this uncertainty. Today's news - well, finally, they bought over 400 million. And now it is not so simple. Intrigue persists.
    1. ADT
      ADT 27 December 2017 14: 00
      0
      The main thing that is not clear - a loan is the purchase of money, for even more money. Usually they go for it, those who have no way out. Here you need a roof over your head, there is no necessary amount - take a loan, in one form or another.
      But why should the Turks? The country is not poor, there is enough finance.
      It’s clear why Russia is selling at risk: the goods must be in demand (buying them by someone else is an advertisement in itself), selling their own (not the newest weapons) to the NATO country is high! and someone’s addiction.
      But all these pluses from the transaction materialize when the entire amount is paid.
      And what are their plans guided by the Turks, promising to essentially give away the extra money, although they have enough dough to pay less? Unclear.
  28. Lexus
    Lexus 27 December 2017 14: 54
    +1
    Russia is a generous soul!
  29. Wolka
    Wolka 27 December 2017 17: 26
    0
    Well, wow, the Ottomans got lucky, for our grandmothers and our best weapons, and even on New Year's Eve, very quickly however, well, who is Santa Claus ...
  30. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 27 December 2017 17: 44
    +1
    Very oh ... ate! And conscience is lost! And children on television every day with the world collect a thread for treatment! Frozen oligarchy can not create a fund for these purposes? And then fairy tales on TV .... How many billions of “friends” were written off ?! And these "friends" at every opportunity - they wanted to ... be! How many unsolved problems and how many unsaved lives in Russia!
  31. Seal
    Seal 9 January 2018 17: 25
    +1
    Quote: katana
    .Americans and Europeans refused to sell Turkey air defense systems along with technology, but the Russian Federation, if not strange, agreed.

    And the next great Armenian cry began yes