Naftogaz announces the advantage of gas purchases from Russia

The Ukrainian company Naftogaz announced the advantages of buying gas from Russia after the decision of the Stockholm arbitration. Thus, in Kiev, they are trying to bring the ground for the purchase of natural gas from Gazprom directly, because before that they have said that they are not going under any circumstances to “buy gas from the aggressor.”

Yuri Vitrenko, the commercial director of Naftogaz, said that now Ukraine had the opportunity to purchase gas from Russia “without overpayments”. This statement was made against the background of gas purchases by Kiev through the so-called reverse route, which automatically led to an overpayment of approximately 15% of the cost.

Recall that the Stockholm arbitration ordered Ukraine to resume gas purchases from Gazprom (as part of the contract) and to pay about 2 billion dollars.

Vitrenko on the air of the Gromadska shopping center:

If we buy this gas from Slovakia, Poland or Hungary, then the market price of gas from Slovakia includes the appropriate cost of transportation from the German liquidity hub market. This price in Slovakia is slightly higher than the price in Germany. Now we have the opportunity to buy gas in Russia at a price slightly lower.

Further Vitrenko adds:

A separate question is whether we will buy or not, because besides the price there are other aspects, we all understand, politics, war.

Comments

[GLIMMERING]

Buy from your "friends" - amers.
We do not trade with Bandera!

[Monos]

whether we will buy or not

Classic: “To be or not to be? That’s the question ...” Rather, the South and North streams would be launched to put these Hamlets on the dung.

[Zubr]

Yes, they understand everything perfectly, politics, war .... philosophers of imperfection ..

[BecmepH]

Quote: GLIMMERING

We do not trade with Bandera!

How do we trade. After all, our traders have nothing sacred. One excuse: "This business is nothing personal." And the money earned in this way is not for personal use?

[Petr1968]

Quote: BecmepH

And the money earned in this way is not for personal use?

No, these are pensions, salaries for teachers and doctors, roads, as well as our army !!!!

[BecmepH]

Quote: Petr1968

No, these are pensions, salaries for teachers and doctors, roads, as well as our army !!!!

This is what they think about last.
Pensions ... I was raised by 570 rubles, and Oru was ...))))

[Maz]

Thank God, winter is unusually warm in Ukraine. And it would be for pensioners of the khan. That and ordinary people with colds in the outpatient clinics rushing.

[Petr1968]

Quote: GLIMMERING

We do not trade with Bandera!

Dacoli OUR gas with you will be for the Nazis and child murders ??? !!!!

[210ox]

Why? Yes, because then it turns out to be squeezed from Gazprom through the court and not paid at all .. What will not work for the same Germans or Slovaks ..

[Cutter]

, which automatically led to an overpayment of approximately 15% of the cost.
Recall that the Stockholm arbitration ordered Ukraine to resume gas purchases from Gazprom (as part of the contract) and to pay about 2 billion dollars.

Well, yes, yes, "spite grandmother" ... Only EARS ONE, earplugs !!!!

[alexmach]

Well this is not true about wringing. In this particular Stockholm court, a truly fair and reasoned decision was made.
Canceled all space pritenzy sucked from the finger (take and pay, and space prices floating out of the formula drawn from the ceiling). They made a sane decision in essence.

[ARES623]

Quote: alexmach

Canceled all space pritenzy sucked from the finger (take and pay, and space prices floating out of the formula drawn from the ceiling). They made a sane decision in essence.

You say that because you didn’t buy anything besides bread. If you want to conclude a gas supply agreement, the seller will adapt the existing infrastructure to your volume or build a new one. Gas is not water in the tap, its volume cannot be increased instantly, and the stop of a working well flies a pretty penny. Take-or-pay works on almost all fuel contracts. Ask the Poles how much wasted money because of their unwillingness to accept Qatari LNG? The court just felt elementary sorry for the Ukrainians. And Tymoshenko, at the time of signing the contract, could not even think about what kind of ... her party members will lead the country's economy.

[alexmach]

It’s true, the take-or-pay principle has a certain justification, indeed in the volumes of a large system, as you put it, “gas is not water”, although with water that with electricity even in the scale of the city actually the same picture arises.

But it is also true that this principle has never been applied by Gazprom against any of its customers. What suddenly then decided to demand from Ukraine?

In addition, to transfer all the risks of their activities exclusively to the buyer, well, of course I really want to, but it turns out not always and not at all.

As for Ukraine’s claims, it was initially clear that these conditions are impossible and that Ukraine will never fulfill them. Sorry, I’m not sorry, the court will decide, the court will not decide. There is no such money in nature that is drawn in these gas contracts, that’s all. Naftogaz would have lost the court - would have declared itself bankrupt and would not have paid a dime, that's all.

[ARES623]

Quote: alexmach

What suddenly then decided to demand from Ukraine?

I think in response to claims for a “monopoly” and an increase in transit tariffs past the contract. Brotherly love quickly ended, they decided to show their teeth. It is an expected solution.

Quote: alexmach

In addition, transfer all risks of its activities exclusively to the buyer

These are not risks, but the requirement of an elementary analysis of their consumption and development forecast (of their own). Where are the risks? In the absence of brains from related ministries concerned? Moreover, with good relations between the buyer and the seller, it was always possible to agree on forecasts for the year. There was simply no goodwill.

[alexmach]

Brotherly love quickly ended

this is understandable.

These are not risks, but the requirement of an elementary analysis of their consumption and development forecast (of their own). Where are the risks?

Elementary analysis? Well, as soon as the question of Gazprom’s capabilities is not delivered, it immediately becomes technically impossible, and as soon as the conversation about consumption analysis, it immediately becomes elementary. How do you think the same Navtogaz can make me interested in this? Well this is not the State Planning Commission of the USSR, which knows everything for 5 years on the front. How do you predict the weather? How do you predict market conditions among metallurgists and chemists? Elementary? Was the 2008 crisis well predicted? In reality, many often fly past these forecasts. In my opinion, almost every year Ukraine asked me to correct this figure both in advance and after the fact. In addition, in the contract, if I am not mistaken, a specific figure was prescribed, which at the time of signing the contract made sense, but after a few years - was no longer there.

[ARES623]

Quote: alexmach

Well, as soon as the question of Gazprom’s capabilities is not delivered, it immediately becomes technically impossible

And can court decisions on short deliveries from Gazprom be brought? And then, all serious counterparties manage to predict consumption, but poor Ukraine can’t? Who is stopping Ukraine from creating its Gosplan?

Quote: alexmach

In my opinion, almost every year Ukraine asked me to correct this figure both in advance and after the fact.

At the same time, accompanying your requests with Russophobic tricks? This is not serious ... And about the meaning - something is not clear, what are you talking about? Be that as it may, you want to negotiate with a partner to take into account your interests - do not write to him for shoes. It's so simple ...

[alexmach]

And can court decisions on short deliveries from Gazprom be brought?

This is what you wrote about now? I may not have put it that way, I had in mind to reduce operational production - the volume of deliveries.

And then, all serious counterparties manage to predict consumption, but poor Ukraine can’t?

Oh oh Well, that is, Italy, for example, is not a serious counterparty in your opinion?
After all, not one “poor Ukraine” had any chance of flying past these forecasts. Poor Ukraine, by the way, until 10-12 was your biggest buyer of gas.

Who is stopping Ukraine from creating its Gosplan?

Is this a clowning question for the sake of, or are you waiting for a serious answer? But who does the Gosplan create for you? Has your country flown past the planned one with neither the May decrees nor the doubling of GDP? Why then write nonsense?

At the same time, accompanying your requests with Russophobic tricks?

Well, for example, what Russophobic antics offended you say in 2012? This is, in my opinion, you are currently watching Ukrainian-Phobic nonsense.

This is not serious

This is, after all, very serious. Because every time this happened, Gazprom refused to take a take-or-pay claim, and every time when the gas price according to the formulas went off scale, Russia found an opportunity to make a discount on the basis of something, despite Ukraine’s unpleasant actions. And this, in turn, indicates the unrealistic price and conditions specified in the contract, and the recognition of this unrealistic by both parties, which by the way confirmed the court decision.

[ARES623]

Quote: alexmach

Has your country flown past the planned one with neither the May decrees nor the doubling of GDP? Why then write nonsense?

May decrees and doubling of GDP are our business. And when Ukraine requested 50 a year and we invested in the creation of infrastructure for these requests, that is, we seriously spent it, and she suddenly declares that she can’t choose the promise and pay accordingly, then who should put the extra costs on?

Quote: alexmach

Well, what for example Russophobic antics offended you say in 2012

Before 2012 was 2009, which seriously alerted us. In addition, there were a lot of incidents with Tyagnibok nationalists, to which the Ukrainian government turned a blind eye. The departure from partnerships was widespread. It only seemed that Yanyk was pro-Russian, he was supported, including by gas discounts, in the hope of improving relations.

Quote: alexmach

Russia found an opportunity to make a discount on the basis of something, despite the unpleasant actions of Ukraine. And this in turn indicates the unrealistic price and conditions specified in the contract, and the recognition of this unrealistic by both parties

Discount does not prove anything. Sometimes it was a payment for the services that Ukraine provided. Our ties were very diverse. The court decision, by the way, took place only to prevent Ukraine from entering the world. T.S., out of pity ...

[alexmach]

And when Ukraine requested 50 a year and we invested in the creation of infrastructure for these requests, that is, we seriously spent it, and she suddenly declares that she can’t choose the promise and pay accordingly, then who should put the extra costs on?

Ukraine requested based on its current needs and current price. Since then, the world has changed a lot and needs have changed. This is normal, this is life.
But about the fact that you invested in something under something there - this is a lie. You supply gas using infrastructure built in Soviet times. You yourself support it, but you would support it whether you would sell gas to Ukraine at all or not, and you would work with the fields anyway. Then you went too far. If in your initial message that the same gas volumes had to be planned was accurate, then here you are slipping into lies and distorting the facts.

he was supported, including by gas discounts, in the hope of improving relations

This is also not true, no one supported him with gas discounts. During the reign of Yanyk, gas prices for Ukraine were the highest in history. You did not support him, you twisted and blackmailed his hands at these prices. You really gave a discount in 2013 from the space price to quite normal, but it happened at the very end of his reign, right in front of the Maidan, and in fact from that Maidan it began.

Discount does not prove anything.

Proves, proves. The whole history of gas relations between Russia and Ukraine is
1. We break the price that is obviously unrealistic for Ukraine
2. We achieve political results
3. We agree on normal prices.

The court decision, by the way, took place only to prevent Ukraine from entering the world. T.S., out of pity ...

I doubt that the court takes into account such concepts as pity. But there is such a thing as economic feasibility. That space price from which you gave generous discounts and told tales about the fact that subsidizing the Ukrainian economy is not economically feasible. Ukraine doesn’t need gas at such prices, it’s cheaper not to buy gas, not to produce anything, and to heat dung, than to work at the space prices drawn in the contract. Everyone understands this, including your gas management. That’s why they always made concessions and instead of the space conditions prescribed in the contract, they worked under acceptable conditions, urging them to make some kind of political justification.

[ARES623]

Quote: alexmach

You supply gas using infrastructure built in Soviet times.

You obviously have no idea what oil and gas production is. You have not seen this gas except on the stove and in the lighters. Therefore, your judgments on the cost of gas production, the cost of gas on the market, planning long-term contracts are primitive, like a preschooler. The court for you, too, "terra incognita." You are simply not in the subject ... Bored, girls ...

[Uncle lee]

A separate question is whether we will buy or not, because besides the price there are other aspects, we all understand, politics, war.

They also roam, to buy or not!

[Evdokim]

Quote from Uncle Lee

They also roam, to buy or not!

Where do they get from the submarine. From the beginning they will gag, and then they will stand in the same position as before the European Union, they will also pay extra money. Masochists in Kiev or what?

[Mikhail m]

Is this the decision of the Stockholm court or zrad? Gas will have to be bought from the aggressor, but cheaply. The Bandera brain is peddling and its eyes are now in a heap, then in different directions strive to scatter.

[210ox]

Where there is almost no freebie there the aggressor does not smell ..

Quote: Michael m

Is this the decision of the Stockholm court or zrad? Gas will have to be bought from the aggressor, but cheaply. The Bandera brain is peddling and its eyes are now in a heap, then in different directions strive to scatter.

[Lexus]

The mentality of such a freebie avid. And history, alas, does not teach anything.

The American, German and Ukrainian got to the uninhabited island. As it turned out, not so uninhabited - a tribe of natives lived on it. They were caught. The leader offers them three options: for us to let you go, either
five bucks "from the nose", either eat a bag of onions, or we each all
by the tribe "we love."
American: gets $ 5000, he is given a boat, a supply of food and water, released.
German: asks for onions, eats a dozen onions, gets $ 5000, he is given a boat, a supply of food and water, released.
Ukrainian: scratched the back of his head and said "Drag the bow!" I ate half a bag
says: "That's it! I can’t take it anymore!" Love! "" Started to "love" him. Half tribe
“Loved it,” shouting: “That's it! I can't take it anymore!” Takes $ 5000 from his pocket
and shouts: "Yes, choke on my pennies!"

[alexmach]

And who actually said about cheap? They lowered the price of gas for 2014, the very prices that Gazprom counted at 500, it’s clear to the elephant that these Wishlist 500 were sucked out of their fingers (in reality, they either paid 240 or 260, to which Gazprom himself agreed , sued for the rest). Did they change the current price?

[fa2998]

Is it like a “lure” for them to pump gas to Ukraine after 2019? We do not need such a buyer and a transiter, so that they can then extort money through the courts. Note that only on different sites, and on the talk show, there are no promises of gas cutoff through Ukraine after 19, there are no promises from high stands. I think transit through Ukraine is eternal, they will come up with reasons again, to conclude an agreement for another 50 years.

[210ox]

No, it is not eternal, because natural gas itself is not eternal ..

Quote: fa2998

Is it like a “lure” for them to pump gas to Ukraine after 2019? We do not need such a buyer and a transiter, so that they can then extort money through the courts. Note that only on different sites, and on the talk show, there are no promises of gas cutoff through Ukraine after 19, there are no promises from high stands. I think transit through Ukraine is eternal, they will come up with reasons again, to conclude an agreement for another 50 years.

[Archon]

The gas pipeline wears out and can simply not be repaired.

[Piramidon]

Quote: fa2998

I think transit through Ukraine is eternal, they will come up with the reasons again, conclude an agreement for another 50 years.

Do you think the pipe will last another 50 years and will not decay completely?

[tuts]

This is HELLO. How is that?

[svp67]

Naftogaz announces the advantage of gas purchases from Russia

“I like” today's Ukraine, it not only manages to “change shoes” several times in one jump, but to change harem pants ....

[Lexus]

“I like” today's Ukraine, it not only manages to “change shoes” several times in one jump, but to change harem pants ....

He still manages to make a "bunch" in this jump, plunge into it, and then find the person to blame for this, of course not himself, of course ... we know who
And most of all then be indignant.

[Herculesic]

Did we forgive them three billion dollars? And the rest of the debts of the "fraternal people" were written off to them at our expense? I would have prematurely closed the crane for ukroiny! !!

[Kot_Kuzya]

It was not possible to throw Slovaks paying for gas. Here are the pots and decided to buy from Muscovites again, so as not to pay them later, arguing that Russia is supposedly an “achressor”. You don’t have to do anything with Bendera at all. . Let the EU and mattresses contain them.

[alstr]

By the way, let them not forget to pay 5 billion cubic meters (also by decision of the Stockholm court). And there they will take gas or not will not worry us.

[Sergey53]

For me there’s nothing to trade with them. There are some problems with them. And they sold gas to the EU, they returned the money to us without any problems. Ukraine bought from them, we are well, because The EU will buy this amount. And no headache. And their headache, which turned out to be more expensive, IS THEIR HEADACHE,

[Dormidont]

For non-brothers, even simple arithmetic is already higher mathematics

[Cxnumx]

A separate question is whether we will buy or not, because besides the price there are other aspects, we all understand, politics, war.

poker poker! refuse even if asked. let them buy from politically loyal Poland, for example - they’re already sickened.

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

For a long time, Archimedes deduced the formula. "This is math" (c)

[alexmach]

ARES623,
Bored? Stomp on!
And you about objective reality as a whole have a very one-sided view.

[GLIMMERING]

Quote: Maz

Thank God, winter is unusually warm in Ukraine. And it would be for pensioners of the khan. That and ordinary people with colds in the outpatient clinics rushing.

Winter, as such, has not happened yet ... February and March, there will be a "Dead End" for maydaunov ...