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It was once washed on the father of Lenin ...

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If you ever come to Penza, well, suddenly, you never know where and why fate throws us and you suddenly have free time, it makes sense to devote him to getting acquainted with cultural monuments. Of course, if you are interested in them, because otherwise it is best to go directly to the Black Square and the Emerald City. The local history museum on Krasnaya Street in this case is usually in the first place, but then people usually go either to the art gallery, which is very close (in Penza, everything is near in the center!) Or to Klyuchevsky’s museum, which is also pleasing because you need to go there downhill, from which the whole city is in full view. But ... if you look out of the museum and look to the left, you will see there, behind a beautiful cast-iron fence, a beautiful building lined with trees, and in front of it are lots of expensive cars. This is 1 school, where it is difficult to get and not so easy to learn - the building of the former Penza Institute of the nobility. But right next to it, on the right, there is a very interesting museum, which is so well disguised as trees, that it is not even visible from the bus stop at the school. But he is still there and today we will get to know him a little. Cause? Well, very simple, many people speak here about the origin of V.I. Lenin, that is, this topic interests people. And if it interests people, then why not find out about it, so to speak, at the museum level?



The text of the article - the text, and we now look at the exhibition of the museum I.N. Ulyanova through the eyes of an ordinary visitor. Let's start with the street. Go to him you need from the public transport stop "Grammar school №1". And the arrow, only it is not very visible from afar.


We go along the steps, then along the path between the pines and we see this gate in the fence.


And here is the museum.


And the entrance to it ... And do not think that there once was an institute laundry.

Let's start with the most banal statement: many famous people are associated with the Penza region, and it is quite true. They say (and very conclusively!) That even the great AV Suvorov was born here, and not in Moscow, in his family estate Marovka, but about this some other time. Anyway, and among them Ilya Nikolayevich Ulyanov, who entered the history as an outstanding teacher, democrat, educator and father of Vladimir Ilyich.
He arrived in Penza after graduating from Kazan University and for eight years, from 1855 to 1863 years, served as a senior teacher at the Penza Nobility Institute.


Actually, the exposition dedicated to the stay of I.N. Ulyanova in Penza, located in two halls of the first floor. In Soviet times, they managed to stretch it on all two floors, but not so many exhibits of those years were preserved. Here is the restored interior of the time. True, it is too empty. In real life this does not happen. Always, where are some little things.


Who knows, maybe I.N. Ulyanov?


A reduced copy of the monument to spouses Ulyanov by sculptor A.A. Fomina.

Well, and the biography of I.N. Ulyanov began in Astrakhan in 1831. His father was Nikolai Vasilyevich Ulyanov, one of the serfs of the Nizhny Novgorod province, who was the first of Ulyanovs to be freed. In 1808, he was accepted into the petty-bourgeois class, in the workshop of craftsmen-tailors. He had four children: Basil, Maria, Fedosya and Ilya. N.V. died. Ulyanov in 1836, when his youngest son, Ilya, was only five years old, and the elder Vasily, seventeen. After the death of his father, Basil assumed all cares about the maintenance of the family. But, apparently, he kept it well, if in 1843 Ilya Ulyanov was able to enter the Astrakhan gymnasium, which he graduated with a silver medal and in the same year entered the Kazan University in the Faculty of Physics and Mathematics. That is, with all the restrictions that allegedly existed in the field of education for the people, even the children of tailors could even study in gymnasiums, and then everything depended only on them. By the way, after all, both my grandfather, his sister, and both his brothers all managed to finish the gymnasium (true grandfather was an external student), being children of the master of railway workshops, but of the master, but ... and nothing more. Not a nobleman! The usual hard worker who has achieved a hard place a little higher than the rest of the workers. That is who wanted, that ... achieved!

By the way, the Kazan University in those years experienced a real dawn, because it was headed by the famous mathematician, the creator of non-Euclidean geometry, Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky.


He precisely used this device. He is from the physics office.


Mirrors Pictet. Used for experiments with thermal (infrared) rays.

Kazan University Ilya Nikolaevich graduated brilliantly. In 1854, he presented to the Scientific Council of the Faculty of Physics and Mathematics the scientific work “Olbers method and its application to the definition of comet 1853 Klinkerfus”, and she received a high rating. In 1855, he passed the exams for the title of teacher of mathematics, and then physics, after which Lobachevsky won him a place at the Penza Nobility Institute.


There are a lot of devices in the museum, and they are very diverse. It means that Ilya Nikolayevich conducted his studies at a high pedagogical level.

Penza of that time was a typical provincial city. In 1855, its population was only about 23 thousand people. There were wooden houses on the streets. Almost entirely brick houses were built up only Moskovskaya Street, where most of the shops, shops and trading establishments were located. The street rose steeply uphill and ended with the Cathedral Square, on which stood the Cathedral, surrounded by three main buildings in the city - the house of the governor, the bishop's house and two buildings of offices.


On these stands is the whole history of Penza education in the 60-s of the XIX century.

The Penza Nobility Institute, where Ulyanov began his work, was opened on January 1 1844 in honor of the visit to Penza in 1837 by the heir Alexander Nikolayevich.


A replica of the uniform of a student of the Nobility Institute.

It was a class secondary school, in which only the children of nobles studied. At the age of 10 - 12 years after passing the entrance exams on "sacred history, reading, writing, the first four rules of arithmetic". The maintenance fee was high - 114 rubles 28 kopecks a year in silver and on the initial acquisition of 28 rubles 57 kopecks in silver. Studying at the institute was seven years old. Initially, he owned a two-story wooden building, where from 1844 to 1851 was a boarding school at the gymnasium. But by the arrival of Ilya Nikolayevich, a beautiful three-story building had already been prepared for him, the construction of which had just been completed.


But in such paper dolls then girls played. From my granddaughter's paper dolls, they differ only in that they are printed on a color printer.

Together with the main building, two more small two-storied economic buildings were built on either side of it. In the building, located on the right, there was a coach house with a stable, hayloft and barn. In the building on the left, the first floor was set aside for a laundry and drying bathhouse, where students' and apartment teachers' clothes and clothes were washed, and room warders' apartments were on the second floor. And it is precisely this building that is currently adapted for the museum of I.N. Ulyanova.


Rising to the second floor, we find ourselves in the museum of the peasant, merchant and noble life of Penza. And here, too, there is something to see, and the museum is decorated very modern.


Here are utensils, and samples of needlework of the Penza and Mordovian peasants, and their national clothes ...

The institute, according to the tradition of that time, was surrounded by a vast courtyard and park. And behind the park was a country forest - Zaseca.


Our local Tatars: he.

The museum will tell you that Ilya Nikolayevich was a follower of the pedagogical methods of Ushinsky and Pirogov, read Russian Pedagogical Bulletin, Magazine for education, Detsky Mir, KD Ushinsky, that is, the teacher was an advanced teacher who loved teaching and children.


Our local Tatars: she.


But who was this diva, I somehow did not record, but in any case, her costume is impressive!

The study of mathematics and physics in those years was distinguished by formalism and isolation from life. But Ulyanov opposed cramming and believed that students should be conscious of their learning attitude and develop their thinking, as well as opposed to corporal punishment. He also attached great importance to visualization in training, which is proved by the fact that he always accompanied his physics lessons with various experiments, so they were interesting and fascinating.


Costumes in the fashion of the time ...

In the summer, under his leadership, the students of the institute were engaged in shooting plans and leveling the terrain, were trained to work with a compass, astrolabe, leveling ruler, other geodetic tools needed by surveyors, whose profession was very important for agrarian Russia and enjoyed great respect.


Isn’t it so easy to fall in love with such a beautiful woman and in such a dress!

In addition, Ilya Nikolayevich showed his students a mirror telescope and a microscope, an electric telegraph model, an air pump (with which he dismantled the lack of sound conductivity of a vacuum). For experiments with infrared rays, Pictet mirrors were used, and glass plates were used to prove the presence of partial attraction of bodies. In his physical office there was a “Franklin Wheel” - a device for generating electricity, Magdeburg hemispheres - for conducting experiments with atmospheric pressure, and there was also an electromagnetic Clerk machine, an electrodynamic Lenz machine, Newton rings, a Voltaic electroplated column, a water freezing device, a stereoscope Blyuster "with twelve mathematical and two photographic paintings", an electric gun and paintings to show them through the "magic lantern".

The cabinet is annually replenished with the latest instruments and tools. There were also quite rare devices for that time, for example, the “Orerri Planetarium” manufactured by the English company “Dollond” and representing a model of the solar system. In the center is the Sun, and at some distance from him known at that time: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus. This device was extremely accurate.


"Planetarium Orerri"

Needless to say, Ilya Nikolayevich, who managed with all these devices, was kind to the students, quickly won their sympathies, and his superiors paid attention to him. Very soon he entered the list of teachers of the nobility institute, awarded with bronze medals on Vladimir ribbon in memory of the 1853-1856 war of the year. He received awards in March 1861.

It is interesting that, directing I.N. Ulyanov to Penza, Lobachevsky commissioned him, along with performing his direct duties, to also conduct meteorological observations. Of course, they were held in Penza and before I.N. Ulyanova, since the 1820-ies, but did not differ in regularity and were not always carried out in good faith. Only with the arrival of Ulyanov in Penza did systematic and strictly scientific meteorological observations begin here, conducted from 1855 to 1859 a year.

It was once washed on the father of Lenin ...

Penza Cathedral.

The weather station at the institute (observatory) did not have a special room, while there was also no site with thermometric booths. During the period of operation, meteorological instruments were located in a physical office. Only a few of them (the Reaumur thermometer, in the warm season of the psychrometer) were hung on the north side of the building and protected from rain and snow by a canopy in the form of a wooden box that had a grid on one side. Ilya Nikolayevich determined the direction and speed of the wind with the help of a yellow copper weather vane.


Then they got married and they had children. And the children wore just such children's clothes.

He sent the results of his observations to the Observatory of Kazan University and to the Agricultural Society of Southeast Russia, who were very interested in his research.

It is significant that at the same time I.N. Ulyanov also showed a penchant for scientific work by writing a scientific article on the benefits of meteorological observations for Penza.

It is pleasant to know that the Russian teachers of provincial educational institutions and the children of artisans at that time had a level of education that most of the graduates of our modern universities did not dream of today. For example, they freely read books in French and thus increased their level of education. For example, Ilya Nikolayevich in the 1861 of the year read in the original, that is, in French, the works of French physicists Francois Arago, de la Riva and several others.

Ulyanov’s second work, On Thunderstorms and Lightning Rods, which he read at a solemn event at the 23 institute in November 1861, should have promoted ignorant prejudice against lightning rods and promoted their widespread adoption. He noted that the peasants suffer most from thunderstorms, because of ignorance of the laws of nature, they are afraid of installing lightning rods.

Well, and then the romantic part of Ilya Nikolayevich’s life began in Penza - in 1861, he met his future wife Maria Alexandrovna Blank.

The future mother of the leader of the world proletariat was born in St. Petersburg 6 March 1835 in the family of a doctor, Alexander Dmitrievich Blanca, a native of bourgeois who graduated from the medical-surgical academy, and more than 20 years working in St. Petersburg, Smolensk and Perm provinces. In 1847, he retired, bought a small estate in Kazan province (Kokushkino village) and started farming. He became a widow early and stayed with his son Dmitry and five daughters in his arms. Ekaterina Ivanovna Essen’s sister helped him raise them.


Children's dishes and children's toy porcelain set.


Beautiful porcelain knick-knacks that decorate dressers and secretaries.

In 1850, one of Maria’s sisters, Anna, became the wife of Ivan Dmitrievich Veretennikov, a teacher at the Perm gymnasium. And in the 1861 year, the Veretennikovs moved to Penza, because her husband was appointed inspector of the Penza Nobility Institute. In the evenings, teachers from the institute and the gymnasium began to gather at his apartment, and among them was Ilya Nikolayevich, who paid attention to Maria who was visiting her sister. And she stayed with her in Penza for a long time and it was, of course, not by chance, because at that time it was in this way that the young people in their circle got acquainted. That's how Ilya Nikolaevich and Maria Alexandrovna met, and at the beginning of the summer of 1863, they announced their engagement. It should be noted that the girl had a very good education at that time and even passed the exam for a home teacher in 1863. Owned German, English and French. She knew both Russian and European literature well, played the piano and, like any future owner of that time, was trained not only in handicraft, but also in housekeeping.


Here are presented various well-known Penza residents and their equally well-known relatives.

However, after the reform of 1861, the position of the institute deteriorated sharply, funding was significantly reduced. There was not enough money for the most necessary needs, delays in staff salaries began, in a word, everything, as in the 1991 year, or rather after it. The Institute was barely making ends meet. Therefore, student performance fell, and problems began with discipline. As a result, the trustee of the Kazan District offered the Ministry of Public Education to close it, and it was closed on 12 in August 1863, after which I.N. Ulyanova was sent to work in Nizhny Novgorod.


Beautiful couple, is not it? This is the way to show the clothes of the past and its life. Rusty glands and faded rags today are not interesting to anyone except specialists.


What a train !!!

So he gave Penza his life for eight years, which is quite a lot. Here he began his teaching career, met his faithful companion and mother of his children, found many friends, relations with whom he then maintained throughout his life. After Penza he served in Nizhny Novgorod, in Simbirsk he was already an inspector, director of public schools, participated in the creation of schools not only in Russians, but also in Mordovian and Chuvash villages. "For excellent, diligent service" the tsarist government awarded him the Order of St. Stanislav 1 degree, St. Anna 2 degree, St. Vladimir 3 degree, he received hereditary nobility, that is, all his descendants from the moment of birth were considered nobles. Well, in Penza, in memory of his years in 1970, in front of the building of the former Institute of the Nobility, a monument was erected to the Ulyanovs couple by sculptor A.A. Fomina.


P.S. A tour of the museum for all of us was conducted by its head Larisa Vladimirovna Panova, for which she thanks a lot!

Pss So, you will be in Penza - welcome to the Museum of I.N. Ulyanova!
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  1. alexsipin
    alexsipin 10 January 2018 07: 57
    +3
    It’s strange. Where is the home synagogue in the Blanqui house?
    1. Diminisher
      Diminisher 10 January 2018 09: 02
      +9
      Either you forgot the sarcasm sign, or you just showed your level of development. One out of two. request
      1. alexsipin
        alexsipin 10 January 2018 13: 56
        +2
        Quote: Diminisher
        Either you forgot the sarcasm sign, or you just showed your level of development. One out of two.

        Ie without a tablet in any way?
    2. albert
      albert 10 January 2018 23: 34
      +1
      Quote: alexsipin
      It’s strange. Where is the home synagogue in the Blanqui house?

      Romanov, are you logged in?
  2. Serge72
    Serge72 10 January 2018 07: 57
    20
    It’s as if I’ve been to Penza. Interesting.
    White bone led the next historical round of Russia
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 10 January 2018 08: 08
    13
    A tour of the museum for all of us was conducted by its head Panova Larisa Vladimirovna, for which many thanks to her!
    ..Thank you, Larisa Vladimirovna, and the author ...
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 10 January 2018 10: 05
      +6
      I'm in. Thank. Very colorful article. Nicely. hi
      1. ruskih
        ruskih 10 January 2018 11: 54
        10
        And I join. Very beautiful photos. I enjoyed reading it! Winter walk to the museum ... Thank you!love
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 10 January 2018 13: 55
          +3
          Someone has winter ... crying And even Spetstrans doesn’t rush to clean the streets. "What for? Tomorrow all one will melt." North! Damn, the capital ...
          1. ruskih
            ruskih 10 January 2018 15: 03
            +5
            Anton love Is it winter here? belay She looked out the window, there was no snow, the grass turned green, the sun was shining .... what should she be like that ?! wink
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 January 2018 15: 09
              +3
              Yes, I, Elena, about Penza ...
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                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 10 January 2018 15: 52
                  +3
                  When did you last see the price of air tickets to Irkutsk? For this money you can fly to Mexico. I have a closer look, my mother lives in the Murmansk region.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 10 January 2018 16: 11
                    +5
                    The joke was removed and the joke. But, after all, it was encrypted in the ellipsis, "thanks to the municipal services of the city for driving quietly, quietly, taking care of my life and health." True, true, honestly, honestly.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 10 January 2018 18: 14
                      +4
                      I managed to read and caught the humor. Nevertheless, the LochNess lake is much more accessible for the residents of Peterburg than Lake Baikal
                      And as for the climate ... when they tell me that the material withstands 100 cycles of freezing-freezing, I smile sadly: "Three Petersburg winters?"
                      The car is only a pity ...
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 11 January 2018 05: 56
                        +2
                        The car is only a pity ...

                        Cannon fat with Rast Stop in the mixture have not tried?
              2. ruskih
                ruskih 10 January 2018 17: 23
                +6
                Ah, Anton, I'm sorry repeat hair color failed again ...
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 10 January 2018 17: 41
                  +2
                  Far from it, Elena, I appreciated. Again, the hair color for a woman is not a constant, but even a variable at all, the main thing is that they let them go to work. wink Won Buzova - the smartest girl, successfully plays a silly engineering, and Sobchak as she was, and remained.
                  1. ruskih
                    ruskih 10 January 2018 19: 02
                    +5
                    ... the hair color for a woman is not a constant, but even a variable at all ..

                    Shh ... how can that be. recourse All the years of hard work on the topic of blondes (PR on the part of the mind, an established opinion, the cost of hair products, etc.) went down the drain. recourse Took and burned. Deprive your favorite game part of the female population ..
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 10 January 2018 19: 48
                      +2
                      Sinful! Biased! Brown hair is my weakness!
            2. Amurets
              Amurets 10 January 2018 15: 36
              +6
              Quote: ruskih
              should she be like that ?!

              Lena! Good afternoon. Well, I kind of sent you a photo of our winter. Today, again, the wind, again during the day -25C. No powder snow. Well, before the New Year there was about such a short snowfall. Well, this one was at the end of November
              1. ruskih
                ruskih 10 January 2018 17: 34
                +7
                Kolya, good evening! love You have a wonderful real winter there! That is how it should be!
                Boys, once again I want to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! love
                It's great that such a great company is gathering here, with a subtle sense of humor, smart and witty comments. Reading is a pleasure! Thank you for being!!! love love love
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 10 January 2018 17: 40
                  +3
                  That's because we remember that you are with us, Elena love love love
                  1. ruskih
                    ruskih 10 January 2018 19: 04
                    +5
                    Alexander! Thank! love
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 10 January 2018 17: 46
                +1
                Interestingly, what do you pour into the washer fluid reservoir?
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 10 January 2018 17: 49
                  +2
                  Who knows. Written to minus 30. Freezes at minus 10. Yearning.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 10 January 2018 18: 56
                    +2
                    Have you tried to fill the best moonshine? I heard it helps.
                    1. Amurets
                      Amurets 10 January 2018 23: 34
                      +4
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      Have you tried to fill the best moonshine? I heard it helps.

                      When I traveled, usually to -15, I filled in "nemeraika," below, nothing at all. Moonshine, vodka. alcohol, meth help well, but there may be trouble with the traffic police.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 11 January 2018 05: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: Amur From us, a guy worked out a breathalyzer and a friend did not prove anything in court.
                        Nikolai, alas, but your friend, "fills the tanks." For the Court, the breathalyzer does not work, you need a blood test for alcohol and a ppm in it. In 100% of cases, an examination is carried out, with mandatory blood sampling for analysis. Perhaps he refused a medical examination.
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 11 January 2018 04: 00
                      +2
                      Have you tried to fill the best moonshine? I heard it helps.

                      In the cabin after such pouring as in a distillery. For me, nothing, but for some reason my wife and child do not like the smell. request
                      1. Amurets
                        Amurets 11 January 2018 04: 51
                        +4
                        Quote: avva2012
                        In the cabin after such pouring as in a distillery.
                        Yes, I agree. And that too. Why did I write about the traffic police? Here, with a guy, a breathalyzer tripped and a friend didn’t prove anything in court. In those days he received 2 years of imprisonment and 20 fines, in court. He’s familiar, he doesn’t use this potion, according to medical indicators.
            3. Serg koma
              Serg koma 11 January 2018 12: 52
              +3
              Quote: ruskih
              should she be like that ?!

              No, not like that !!!
              (photo taken five minutes ago - especially for you and IN laughing )
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 10 January 2018 21: 57
            +1
            Yes, it seems that even heaps near the roadsides have almost been removed, thank God. And the wipers work. And so - yes, the northern capital, where even miserables are expressed in French wink drinks
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 January 2018 23: 54
              +1
              Com sa va, mon ami?
    2. Serg koma
      Serg koma 11 January 2018 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      A tour of the museum for all of us was conducted by its head Panova Larisa Vladimirovna, for which many thanks to her!
      ..Thank you, Larisa Vladimirovna, and the author ...

      Good, unobtrusive, good storytelling. THANK! I'm with those who "join" hi
  4. Curious
    Curious 10 January 2018 08: 33
    +7
    Penza of that time was a typical provincial city. In 1855, its population was only about 23 thousand people. There were wooden houses on the streets. Almost entirely brick houses were built up only Moskovskaya Street, where most of the shops, shops and trading establishments were located. The street rose steeply uphill and ended with the Cathedral Square, on which stood the Cathedral, surrounded by three main buildings in the city - the house of the governor, the bishop's house and two buildings of offices.

    Looking at the photo you understand why galoshes were popular. But this is the center of Penza, Belinsky Street. A one-story building with a guardhouse - a county treasury, built in 1843. And the house with the mezzanine on the right is a guardhouse, built in 1868.
    1. Curious
      Curious 10 January 2018 08: 51
      +6

      And the view of Moskovskaya Street also shows why galoshes in the XNUMXth century were the main products of the rubber industry.
    2. kalibr
      10 January 2018 09: 22
      +5
      Now there is no house with a booth. Now there is a monument to the first settler with a view of the city. And in the next house is the Museum of one painting. And then - Zaksob. And before there was a noble assembly.
      1. Severomor
        Severomor 10 January 2018 10: 02
        +1
        In the Penza theme, one could talk about the princess (queen) of the Narchatka and the people - the Burtases.
        PS Was in December at the competition in the complex "Burtasy")))) ..... became interested
        1. kalibr
          10 January 2018 11: 45
          +3
          Yes you are right. But my drawback as an author (and historian!) Is that I deal with very narrow topics. That is, you can’t call me a local historian. And I heard about them, but ... I know no more than yours. And "digging" for the sake of a single article, which you can’t insert anywhere later, is unprofitable.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 10 January 2018 12: 37
            +5
            In my opinion, this is a virtue. Wide topics are engaged in Venya.
  5. long in stock.
    long in stock. 10 January 2018 08: 33
    +3
    Vyacheslav and what kind of terrible carpet on the floor in the museum? Doesn’t fit with the era at all. Or parquet or plaque on the floor. Who was doing the restoration there?
    1. kalibr
      10 January 2018 09: 15
      +3
      Well this is a museum !!! Rejoice at such floors!
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 10 January 2018 15: 24
        +2
        I can not Vyacheslav .. I have a perverted look related to the profession.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 January 2018 10: 36
      +5
      The thing is likely that parquet flooring in public places is extremely impractical, maintaining it in good condition is an ongoing and costly undertaking. No, of course there are multicomponent varnishes, but their cost and the cost of working with them far exceed the cost of parquet with laying. Do not forget that such museums are extremely budgetary establishments and investing in the exposition is more priority than flooring.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 10 January 2018 11: 12
        +6
        Anton, notice how everyone yearned for the forum and the company. good drinks
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 10 January 2018 11: 24
          +4
          Not without it. What to do? The lack of interlocutors in the "real" generates a "sensory hunger."
      2. long in stock.
        long in stock. 10 January 2018 15: 25
        +2
        Yes, everything is so. But the era is the era ...
  6. Amurets
    Amurets 10 January 2018 08: 47
    +5
    This is how it is necessary to show the clothes of the past and its life. Rusty pieces of iron and shed rags are no longer interesting to anyone except specialists.

    Correctly! I fully support you in this matter. Thanks for the interesting stuff. Before the revolution, there were two gymnasiums in Blagoveshchensk, and it is clear that the children of the rich studied in them, but first of all, the city itself is young compared to Penza. It was founded in 1856. Secondly: the nobility did not seek to go here, in the wilderness, voluntarily.
    By the way: EMNIP at the Moscow Nobility Institute tuition fees were higher. I took this comparison from the Poshekhonskoy antiquity of Saltykov-Shchedrin, the landowner Zatrapeznaya had to pay 600 children and 800 rubles a year for four children, I don’t remember exactly.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 11 January 2018 16: 58
      +2
      A good museum. Nice expositions. Everything is positive. And Lenin’s father and his mother. It turns out that the whole family was right. And it is good that Vyacheslav Olegovich wrote such an article. True, he nevertheless designated the derogatory word of the Communists. How so? After all, both he and his older relatives joined the CPSU and were proud of it?
  7. XII Legion
    XII Legion 10 January 2018 08: 49
    18
    We also have - Ulyanov House Museum
    Now the museum of the history of the city
    Thank you!
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 10 January 2018 11: 18
      +8
      We also have - Ulyanov House Museum

      Of the museums of Lenin, I remember one place near Zelenogorsk - Yalkala. There he was hiding, if I’m not mistaken, after a hut, but in front of Finland, on the farm of Parviainen (by the way, he was a bourgeois, he kept his own factory in St. Petersburg). He was then without a mustache and beard ("why did Volodka shave his mustache"? laughing), constantly wore a wig and a cap, so as not to be recognized. So, as the guides say, Lenin was very fond of swimming - and the lake there is beautiful. Parviainen’s children began to suspect something, and they asked their father a simple question that does not fit into the children's brain: "Dad, why is this uncle constantly bathed in a cap?" belay drinks
  8. speelforce
    speelforce 10 January 2018 08: 52
    +5
    Not a nobleman! An ordinary hard worker who achieved a job a little higher than other workers. That is, whoever wanted, he ... sought!

    Fresh thought))) Maybe we can recall Aleksashka Menshikov or there - Yaguzhinsky. More likely than the given examples will be.
    And of course - the main idea in the title - was erased against Lenin’s father here! Like - it’s not the gods who burn the pots, but we didn’t know that the laundry is dirty and the world is down. What is it for? The article is generally not bad, but some pettiness and vulgarity in the spirit: -... and yours, the very one, has an eye, but it is crooked ... - spoils the whole impression.
  9. kalibr
    10 January 2018 09: 19
    +5
    Quote: speelforce
    Fresh thought))) Maybe we can recall Aleksashka Menshikov or there - Yaguzhinsky. More likely than the given examples will be

    Why mix cabbage soup with salad. Examples of this is darkness and darkness. But here is what it would look like in this article, if their listing had suddenly begun. Everyone would remember about the fool ...
    1. captain
      captain 10 January 2018 09: 27
      +7
      Thanks for the interesting story, I always get great pleasure from your articles and works.
      1. kalibr
        10 January 2018 11: 41
        +4
        I will tell you a secret - I also enjoy them. Twice! First, when I write - "oh yes Pushkin, oh yes son of a bitch !!". Then when I read comments about the fact that Shpakovsky is an English spy - this is especially funny. And how my former students in the FSB get lost ...
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 10 January 2018 11: 52
          +4
          Now someone will brand you as a double agent! Shadow of Mata Hari will be envious!
        2. Mikado
          Mikado 10 January 2018 12: 00
          +4
          Then when I read comments about the fact that Shpakovsky is an English spy - this is especially funny.

          why only english? wink almost a year ago the Rev. you personally was awarded the “Japanese spy”. fellow if anything - I have that forum in my bookmarks! stop
        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 11 January 2018 17: 06
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          I will tell you a secret - I also enjoy them. Twice! First, when I write - "oh yes Pushkin, oh yes son of a bitch !!". Then when I read comments about the fact that Shpakovsky is an English spy - this is especially funny. And how my former students in the FSB get lost ...
          Everything is clear ---- an eyepiece! Instead of the words of the FSB ---- one must understand ----- another abbreviation, in the USA, this is where some of the author’s former students climbed! Or vice versa --- they came from here to study !!!!!!! and recruit agents! That's what! Indeed, in the Russian FSB ----- the former students of the author cannot be in any way!
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 13 January 2018 00: 25
            +1
            So I wanted to bring some kind of animation to the conversation! Create dynamics, rebus, but no! No one came to life. Not interested! Sadness.
  10. Blue cop
    Blue cop 10 January 2018 09: 43
    18
    So someone lived without working for a day - at the expense of the family, then the wife, then the party ...
    But he wrote about the proletariat ...
    Interesting article, thanks
    1. kalibr
      10 January 2018 11: 38
      +7
      He was a talented person, you can’t say anything ...
      1. Blue cop
        Blue cop 10 January 2018 12: 46
        17
        That's right.
        We must be able to)
  11. Olgovich
    Olgovich 10 January 2018 09: 50
    +8
    . A tour of the museum for all of us was conducted by its head Panova Larisa Vladimirovna

    The deepest bow to Larisa Vladimirovna — what a delightful Russian woman! hi

    Thanks to the author for a wonderful tour: I love such museums that allow you to look into the past. In the beautiful past of Russia.

    And I.N. Ulyanov is an unfortunate person: none of his many children did not leave offspring, except for Dmitry, who died in a madhouse, none of them had ever worked before the October coup, all were state criminals and all were surprisingly ugly and sexless.
    Ilic’s peer, Nicholas II turned out to be much happier than him, having known the joy of fatherhood five times, and his sister Ksenia Romanova -had 6 children and 24 great-grandchildren! This is the true happiness and achievement of man.
    And the Ulyanov family suffered crushing collapse....
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 10 January 2018 10: 24
      +6
      Ilic’s peer, Nicholas II turned out to be much happier after learning the joy of fatherhood five times, and his sister Ksenia Romanova had 6 children and 24 great-grandson! This is the true happiness and achievement of man.
      And the Ulyanov family suffered a crushing collapse ....

      1. Mikado
        Mikado 10 January 2018 10: 36
        +7
        Good Doctor, good afternoon!
        Can I rephrase your picture? wink
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 10 January 2018 10: 52
          +9
          Can I rephrase your picture?

          Good afternoon, Nikolai! It seems to me that in your version part of the sacred meaning is lost. Without a king, how? The comment of our Moldovan correspondent reminded me of a joke: “Newspaper ad: a dog lost without a front right paw, without a left eye, neutered. It responds to the nickname,“ Lucky. ”
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 10 January 2018 11: 06
            +4
            I agree with Olgovich on one thing. I'm certainly not Alain Delon, but
            all were state criminals and all were surprisingly ugly and sexless

            true... what
            Will shoot - leave your face, aim at the heart! wink drinks
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 10 January 2018 11: 16
              +4
              Well, well, criminals. Read at your leisure what you got rid of: https://studopedia.ru/19_183460_krestyan-tsentral
              noy-rossii.html
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 10 January 2018 11: 20
                +3
                Well, well, criminals.

                if you approach from the point of view of the then criminal law .... well, you understand .. request
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 10 January 2018 11: 34
                  +6
                  I understood that, but the Moldovan citizen does not approach the Code from a formal point of view.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 10 January 2018 11: 46
                    +3
                    but in some ways he’s right ... looking which way to look. But I do not share the second part of Olgovich’s optimism about the Romanovs. hi the Romanovs degenerated then, unfortunately. "The elite has degenerated." what
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 10 January 2018 11: 52
                      +4
                      Look, or you can just listen to the cycle of programs of Pavel Pepper, “Romanovs without co-play”. In it, mainly, not about emperors, but about the family, and without stamps. Just a family.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 10 January 2018 11: 56
                        +2
                        Look, or you can just listen to the cycle of programs of Pavel Pepper, “Romanovs without co-play”. In it, mainly, not about emperors, but about the family, and without stamps. Just a family.

                        you see, Alexander, I want to watch and read about great people. And with the Romanovs, they ended after Alexander III. I would like to read about Paul I, but about the bearded cherub Nicholas II, the family and his loafers, ogloed-relatives, not at all. Let others read it, even though they put icons. To each his own.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 10 January 2018 12: 15
                        +3
                        Pavel Petrov (Pepper) is a very extraordinary person. Several years ago I visited his author's thematic tours of St. Petersburg.
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 10 January 2018 12: 09
                      +5
                      Yes, no, the Romanovs had a poet under the pseudonym "K.R." Although, I agree, any closed elite degenerates. In my opinion, nevertheless, Paul 1 was the last of the dynasty, deserving of memory, attention, and veneration from the church. Betrayed by his own son, killed by a drunken house, slandered after death. Just, perhaps, if his reforms had passed, then the people would have been easier.
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                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 10 January 2018 16: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Just the Romanovs time was breed, shoot crows, love ballerinas, engage in spiritualism

                        Ahhh, now it’s clear: everyone thought that Ilic didn’t have, um, yes, for reproduction, but he, it turns out .... TIME was gone! laughing lol
                        "All that you are in the works, aki bee!" (C) lol

                        And Manyasha and Anyasha, too, think -TIME -not enough? ! But not something else?lol laughing
                        even under pain of execution, under a gun, well ...
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 11 January 2018 07: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Work with such a load, find out what you have enough.
                        So who cares


                        "Hard workers", yes laughing fool This t.s. the lady is NOT a historian, but a physicist by training, who DIDN'T DAY work by profession, immediately became a party propagandist (Fu!) - bears nonsensenot related to the HISTORY. fool
                    3. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 10 January 2018 13: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: Mikado
                      But I do not share the second part of Olgovich’s optimism about the Romanovs. have degenerated The Romanovs

                      Degenerate is read above about the Ulyanov family
                      . And this is not like degeneration:


                      Sister of Nikolai Romanov Ksenia with 7 children, the same age as Ilycha
                      The children of her grandchildren and great-grandchildren-successful and successful people. Is this not the HUMAN happiness of the Romanov family? The same would be with Nikolai
                      For example, Xenia’s grandson -Andrey Andreevich Romanov-sailor Arctic convoys in Mumansk, a famous artist, an intelligent person, the head of the Romanov dynasty, 90 years old, looks and thinks great!
                      Show dozens of grandchildren of Ilic and other big bolsons. Solid uds: Stalin’s granddaughter in the United States, Khrushchev, Suslov, Gorbachev, etc.
                      This is it.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 10 January 2018 13: 31
                        +3
                        The children of her grandchildren and great-grandchildren are successful and successful people. Is this not the HUMAN happiness of the Romanov family? The same would be with Nikolai

                        with their money is not a problem. And the tsar did not know where to attach the daughters with the gene pool, and then there was the heir to the sick, and other messes.
                        Show dozens of grandchildren of Ilic and other big bolsons. Solid uds: Stalin’s granddaughter in the United States, Khrushchev, Suslov, Gorbachev, etc.

                        Yes, Vladimir Kirillovich in the form of an SS is somehow dearer to us ... angry (sarcasm).
                        Do not be offended, for God's sake! hi
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 10 January 2018 15: 42
                        +4
                        It’s just that the Romanovs had time to breed, shoot at crows, love ballerinas, engage in spiritualism. It is not a king’s business to work like the son of a shoemaker.
                      3. avva2012
                        avva2012 10 January 2018 16: 24
                        +5
                        Work with such a load, find out what you have enough.
                        So who cares
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 10 January 2018 12: 41
                    +5
                    Quote: avva2012
                    I understood that, but the Moldovan citizen does not approach the Code from a formal point of view.

                    From the formal: everyone is Ulyan, from the point of view of the Law RI-were recognized as criminals. And I admit.
                    And the laws were the mildest: in Lenin's time, similar to the Ulyanov (according to deeds) disappeared altogether without ships
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 10 January 2018 12: 46
                      +5
                      And the laws were the mildest: in Lenin's time, similar to the Ulyanov (according to deeds) disappeared altogether without ships

                      it all started with the Zasulich process, bordering on idiocy. The feeling that the authorities for the next almost fifty years did not even try to defend themselves.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 10 January 2018 13: 05
                        +7
                        Didn’t hear anything about the "pacification" of the peasants under Stalypin and not only?
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 10 January 2018 15: 02
                      +2
                      Ah, you took off? I think that there were no commissars among relatives.
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                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 10 January 2018 13: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Mikado
                  with their money is not a problem. And the tsar did not know where to attach the daughters with the gene pool, and then there was the heir to the sick, and other messes.

                  And Ilic had no money, so he did not breed, an interesting new version! lol True, the Sudanese also have no money, but ...
                  Quote: Mikado
                  And the king did not know where to attach daughters with the gene pool
                  There was no such problem before him
                  :
                  Maria Romanova- such girls always find grooms for themselves.
                  Quote: Mikado
                  Yes, Vladimir Kirillovich in the form of an SS is somehow dearer to us.

                  Why duplicate someone else? nonsense? request
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 10 January 2018 14: 12
                    +4
                    Maria Romanova, such girls always find grooms for themselves.

                    for some reason none of the four found.
                    Why duplicate someone's nonsense? request

                    here is a quote from the refutation: The only public appeal of Vladimir Kirillovich during the Great Patriotic War of June 26, 1941 contains nothing but a statement of the fact of the outbreak of war (the "menacing hour") and a call to use this moment to liberate the Motherland from the atheistic Bolshevism.
                    https://newizv.ru/news/society/24-08-2017/velikiy
                    -knyaz-vladimir-kirillovich-ne-sluzhil-v-ss
                    You know, I do not care if he served in the SS, he did not serve in the SS, did he serve at all. But if he even said something, even farted against my country, even if he was hiding behind liberation from Bolshevism, he played into the hands of the invaders, who were going to destroy our peoples. That's all my attitude.
                    Yes, and daddy he still had that figure - he betrayed the Emperor, so that later he would be the first to call himself emperor in exile.
                    What should I have to do with them? negative
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 10 January 2018 15: 37
                      +1
                      Quote: Mikado
                      for some reason none of the four found.

                      At 12-18 years old ?! belay
                      In addition, they especially did not have time: they served the Motherland as sisters of mercy of the ROCC
                      Quote: Mikado
                      You know, I don't care, he served in the SS, he did not serve in the SS,

                      The opinion of the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church completely suits me:“It is characteristic that during the Second World War, while in France, Vladimir Kirillovich established contact with German officers opposed to the fascist regime, and thanks to this he actively helped Soviet prisoners of war. In 1944 they followed his arrest and deportation to Germany... ".


                      By the way, neither Maria Fedorovna, nor Nikolai Nikolaevich, nor many others recognized him as emperor. Many consider the head of the Romanov house Andrei Andreyevich Romanov
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 10 January 2018 16: 44
                        +2
                        Vladimir Kirillovich made contact with German officers
                      2. Mikado
                        Mikado 10 January 2018 21: 15
                        +3
                        In 1944, his arrest and deportation to Germany followed ...

                        then it is strange why this uncle, obviously not suffering from anorexia (judging by the photo), did not rattle back to Buchenwald. laughing
                        For the sake of interest, I now read opinions about him in the search. Friends, but I got the feeling that they were really trying to whitewash him. Too many publications in his defense. what why would it ...
                      3. avva2012
                        avva2012 11 January 2018 08: 29
                        +2
                        Olgovich: Not Olgovich. and the PATRIARCH of the Russian Orthodox Church. He is authoritative for hundreds of millions of pudes.

                        Let me remind you what V.K.R. said: “At this terrible hour, when Germany and almost all the peoples of Europe crusade declared against communism-Bolshevism, which enslaved and oppresses the people of Russia for twenty-four years, I appeal to all the faithful and devoted sons of our Motherland with an appeal: contribute to the best of our abilities and capabilities, the overthrow of the Bolshevik government and the liberation of our Fatherland from the terrible yoke of communism. ”
                        Interestingly, but in the understanding of this text, there may be discrepancies? This is a call to support the Nazis and nothing else.
                        Olgovich, but the source does not indicate this statement by Patriarch Alexy II? I understand that the site of the Russian noble assembly is very authoritative and widely known in narrow circles, but nevertheless, where did the dog rummage? Source, Olgovich, hde?
                        When you try to find, you meet only such passages: "However, the first Russian president, Boris Yeltsin, favored Romanov, as did His Holiness Patriarch of All Russia Alexy II. It would hardly have been possible if the head of the Russian Imperial House had been tarnished with anything reprehensible." . © Russian Seven russian7.ru or: “the Soviet counterintelligence eventually found each of the major Nazi collaborators-collaborators (Vlasov, Shkuro, Krasnov and many others). All of them were destroyed. Presumably, Vladimir Kirillovich would not have passed this fate - if was for what. " Source: same. Noticed, Olgovich, latitude with depth, logic? And, the fact that V.K.R. favored the first president himself, E.B.N., is sorry, but with such friends, there is no need for enemies. And finally: from the same source, it turns out that this excerpt is from the speech of Alexy II, said on 29 on April 1992 of the year before the funeral of the Grand Duke during a solemn prayer service in St. Isaac's Cathedral. Well, "about the dead or good or nothing." The Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, based on his position, has official duties, which, in turn, rarely contradict the official position of the official authorities. I recall the speech of Alexy I: "The Great Leader of our people, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, did not become ......"
                        As you can see, I have a link. wink Quote: Olgovich: “He is authoritative for hundreds of millions of people.”
                      4. avva2012
                        avva2012 11 January 2018 08: 52
                        +2
                        Olgovich: Unlike non-professional talkers-prudnikovyh and other propaganda.

                        Olgovich, for a beautiful woman, Elena Prudnikova:
                        laughing laughing laughing
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 11 January 2018 04: 07
                      +2
                      Friends, but I got the feeling that they were really trying to whitewash him. Too many publications in his defense.

                      Kohl from Urengoy, Olgovich with “Vladimir Kirillovich established contact with German officers”, a commentator with “FSE shot the true liberators of Prague.” The foam has surfaced. Or, do you think, Nikolai, the enemies of Russia will calm down after the appearance of the "Immortal Regiment"?
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 11 January 2018 07: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: avva2012
                        I, Olgovich with "Vladimir Kirillovich made contact with German officers",

                        Not Olgovich. and the PATRIARCH of the Russian Orthodox Church. He is authoritative for hundreds of millions pounds.
                        Unlike non-professional talkers-prudnikovyh and other propaganda.
                      2. Mikado
                        Mikado 11 January 2018 18: 14
                        +1
                        Kohl from Urengoy, Olgovich with “Vladimir Kirillovich established contact with German officers”, a commentator with “FSE shot the true liberators of Prague.” The foam has surfaced. Or, do you think, Nikolai, the enemies of Russia will calm down after the appearance of the "Immortal Regiment"?

                        I don’t know about Kolya, but the teacher and other organizers and assistants of this action must be kicked out.
                        I think, Alexander, there is such a thing as a trend. I'm talking about the whitewashing of the Romanovs. It feels like the whole campaign ...
                    3. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 11 January 2018 07: 27
                      +2
                      Quote: Mikado
                      For the sake of interest, I now read opinions about him in the search. Friends, but I got the feeling that they were really trying to whitewash him. Too many publications in his defense. why would it ...


                      Think about the fact that even in Soviet times, he was NOT charged with collaborationism.
                3. avva2012
                  avva2012 10 January 2018 14: 59
                  +5
                  "Yes, Vladimir Kirillovich in the form of an SS"
                  There you can, without a hitch, recall Prince Tsusimsky whose pair of armadillos in his pockets was lost.
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 January 2018 12: 00
              +5
              Are you counting on a posthumous mask and effigy? laughing
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      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 10 January 2018 11: 17
        +2
        Quote: avva2012
        Ilic’s peer, Nicholas II turned out to be much happier after learning the joy of fatherhood five times, and his sister Ksenia Romanova had 6 children and 24 great-grandson! This is the true happiness and achievement of man.
        And the Ulyanov family suffered a crushing collapse ....

        I know the author! Here he is, without a king and without a head:
        :
        hi
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 10 January 2018 11: 21
          +3
          I know the author! Here he is
          No, not him.
          1. kalibr
            10 January 2018 11: 48
            +3
            What a horror to look like! In my opinion, so complete bad taste! Everyone who is interested in the appearance of the author - SECOND ARTICLE ABOUT THE CITY OF MAYSEN. There he is shot in an embrace with his beloved effigy!
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 January 2018 12: 25
              +3
              Moscow, however ....
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 January 2018 13: 10
              +5
              My friend at the bank works. He comes to work in jeans, changes into a suit. To the question “why is this” he answers: “This is a special clothing, because you also don’t go around the city in a robe.” Here is such a masquerade.
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 10 January 2018 11: 56
            +5
            What a hipster jacket! And you cannot tell by sight that a person in the Mitkov style works.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 10 January 2018 12: 02
              +3
              What a hipster jacket! And you cannot tell by sight that a person in the Mitkov style works.

              I will tell you a little secret. This is not Lozhkin. wink This is the Doctor at his exhibition on the background of a cat. drinks
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 10 January 2018 12: 17
                +5
                Not, Nikolai, in clothes, this is not my style laughing laughing
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 10 January 2018 12: 22
                  +3
                  how do I know what you have there between your bathrobe and hairy torso wink fellow but .. I introduced. what And a really funny and positive Doctor came out! good drinks
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 10 January 2018 12: 39
                    +4
                    Thank you, Nikolai for your kind words! After them, for sure, the positive will increase. And it’s a pity that good people leave the civil service for business. Although, maybe the business will get better? hi
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 10 January 2018 12: 48
                      +3
                      Good people leave because bad people combine.
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 10 January 2018 12: 23
                  +5
                  Ndaa .... I think if you come to work in a similar "outfit", you will have a resounding "success"! "Doctor Bykov" in the "jacket" will fade.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 10 January 2018 12: 35
                    +4
                    will have a resounding "success"!

                    efficiency is the main thing! 80% of patients will immediately feel healthy. The good will recover from the positive radiated in this way, and the evil will flee in fear. laughing
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 10 January 2018 12: 42
                      +5
                      Damn, we must treat everyone! Can you imagine if he is evil, and even sick wassat
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 10 January 2018 12: 47
                        +2
                        so you need to approach in terms of PR! such a colorful Doctor comes in with a big enema for an evil person, makes a terrible face, and his anger will disappear instantly! laughing
                  2. avva2012
                    avva2012 10 January 2018 15: 06
                    +3
                    Dr. Bykov in his company of jokes about medicine looks great.
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      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 10 January 2018 10: 57
        +3
        Quote: Ilya77
        Lenin led the Russian people out of the darkness, gave each a piece of bread,

        I TAKE a piece of bread from each: at ichich died of hunger 5 million people unprecedented NEVER in Russia before cannibalism and corpse eating. Bread was taken even more terribly in peacetime 1932-33, when it died 7 million people
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 10 January 2018 11: 30
          +6
          unprecedented NEVER in Russia before cannibalism and corpse eating.

          How scary to live!
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 10 January 2018 11: 51
            +1
            not! nobody will defeat us!
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 10 January 2018 12: 01
              +4
              not! nobody will defeat us!

    3. avva2012
      avva2012 11 January 2018 07: 48
      0
      Olgovich: nonsense that has nothing to do with HISTORY.

      Present the certificate that you are somehow sideways to science, how you relate to history. Perhaps you are printing with you, even if not 100 of thousands of copies, but at least 25? Maybe then fool In your opinion, as an expert, there will be more confidence than E. Prudnikova. But one thing is a plus, you listened to this information. Suddenly, in one of the hemispheres, something hooks? And then, as you know, the process will go wink
  12. avva2012
    avva2012 10 January 2018 10: 17
    +4
    But apparently, he kept it well, if in November 1843, XNUMX Ilya Ulyanov was able to enter the Astrakhan gymnasium, which he graduated with a silver medal and in the same year entered the Kazan State University to study physics and mathematics. That is, with all the then restrictions that supposedly existed in the field of education for the people, even the children of tailors could study in gymnasiums

    The report on reducing school education, better known as the Circular on Cooking Children (although cooks were not mentioned there), was published on June 18 (July 1) November 1887, XNUMX Minister of Education of Russia Count Ivan Davidovich Delyanov. The Minister recommended that the directors of gymnasiums and gymnasiums, when admitting children to educational institutions, create conditions to free them from entering "children of coachmen, lackeys, cooks, laundresses, small shopkeepers and the like, whose children, except for those gifted with brilliant abilities, do should not strive for secondary and higher education. "
  13. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 January 2018 11: 26
    +4
    Good article and wonderful tour! The headline is only a little discordant.
    1. kalibr
      10 January 2018 11: 50
      +1
      The headline should get attention!
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 January 2018 12: 31
        +3
        It is certainly true, if we start from PR-technologies .... You show Panova, I think she will be a little upset.
  14. Mikado
    Mikado 10 January 2018 13: 10
    +3
    avva2012,
    b] avva2012 [/ b],
    I heard everything. And how did Tukhachevsky peasants poison the gas - did you hear? It's not that. Stolypin is one of the few who at least somehow tried to restore order when the situation has already reached a peak. Yes, he hung, and there were a number of assassination attempts on him. No one was left in debt. Which did not interfere with the rapid growth of various revolutionary organizations.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 January 2018 13: 20
      +4
      Well, everything, the soul rushed to paradise! Long time ago, the Doctor did not annihilate anyone in this field. "The lads stood in the saddles."
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 10 January 2018 13: 26
        +4
        "The lads stood in the saddles."

        miss you! Each other, by company, by topic! drinks Not all of Samsonov’s only article on 700 with a hook (how many there, I don’t remember) comments one and a half weeks from despair! Wait, Anton, the Doctor will roll up the sleeves of the robe now, and will distribute to everyone an enema! fellow
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 10 January 2018 13: 38
          +2
          I'm a pass! January 4 was enough for me!
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 10 January 2018 13: 42
            +2
            come on! Address to the Doctor, he will improve your health.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 January 2018 13: 46
              +2
              It was he who “corrected” him.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 10 January 2018 13: 48
                +3
                if you need the help of a psychoanalyst, go to Viktor Nikolaevich. laughing And if you taste good drinks by correspondence - to Marat. Although VN can also be drinks
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 10 January 2018 14: 06
                  +4
                  Only the presence of Viktor Nikolaevich saved me from the complete moral destruction and decay of the individual.
                  As for psychological help ... "Do you want to talk about it?" laughing
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 10 January 2018 22: 02
                    +1
                    As for psychological help ... "Do you want to talk about it?" laughing

                    Uh, no! stop I only talk about this with beautiful girls. wink and I agree about the brown-haired woman winked drinks (let others not be offended - all are beautiful love )
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 10 January 2018 22: 49
                      +1
                      yes Damn, I'm not talking about THIS (the term is still not missed by the robot), but about psychoanalysis. "There are just dreams." wink
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 10 January 2018 15: 23
                +2
                Yes, to me, it just became really scary. I understand that an adult, and I’ve seen it, maybe more than me, but this is fine grass. And in my years, making mistakes in people is contraindicated. Mycardial infarction, a defective scar.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 10 January 2018 15: 46
                  +2
                  Yeah, "But Rabinovich, for what ?, And for the company!" Nesto you decided that it’s so easy for me to rinse the skull box ?! request There is no mold, there is hydro concrete! good
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 10 January 2018 16: 29
                    +2
                    I have no doubt, Anton, but nevertheless, nevertheless. Better to make sure than to think badly of a person.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 10 January 2018 17: 12
                      +1
                      By the way, hydro concrete on ghouls also acts. Described: O. Divov "Night Watching".
                    2. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 10 January 2018 17: 17
                      +3
                      As for 04.01.18/XNUMX/XNUMX., I'm not offended. But the memorial rake with the inscription "From the Doctor for a long memory" hung on the wall. The second time I will not come ... or I'm not the polar Chingachguk. laughing
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 10 January 2018 17: 28
                        +4
                        But memorial

                        This is an allegory
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 10 January 2018 15: 18
      +4
      Nikolay, you’re an old member of our club of pique vests. About chloropicrin they read .... And how do you like a machine gun in the village? And hung, it was the essays, the terrorists, the military field courts? Maybe they grabbed the peasants? The Bolsheviks did not come up with a plan, and some citizens always wanted to curry favor.
      Damn, read about Stolypin and his reforms. Maybe not in vain, he was called the "first Russian fascist." And it’s not an insult. Maybe, just something ideologically close was seen by the partyigenosses of the Ryazan spill?
      ps there are no revolutions in countries with normal power.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 January 2018 15: 25
        +1
        By the way, essays were the “hunters” of Stolypin, the Bolsheviks did not stand there either.
      2. Mikado
        Mikado 10 January 2018 15: 28
        +2
        The Bolsheviks did not come up with a plan, and some citizens always wanted to curry favor.

        some and the 37th year wanted to curry favor hi
        ps there are no revolutions in countries with normal power.

        I agree.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 10 January 2018 15: 49
          +4
          You to any team, they are enough at all times. The main merit of that power is that after 37 the 38 came.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 10 January 2018 22: 05
            +2
            but careerists moving along the party line still remained. Otherwise, where does the "talkative combiner" come from? request "People do not change, just the housing problem spoiled them" hi
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 11 January 2018 04: 21
              +3
              One person recently wrote on our website that after the 53 with the advent of "corncracker", they turned up at the top, exactly the ones you describe and the like with their help began to be sucked to the top. A capacious term, is not it "began to suck"?
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 11 January 2018 05: 02
                +5
                Quote: avva2012
                A capacious term, is not it "began to suck"?

                Why not? The principle of a fecal pump - sucks in waste from the bottom and delivers it to the top for cleaning and processing. But how the treatment facilities work, such is the treatment.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 11 January 2018 05: 39
                  +3
                  They did not give IV Stalin elections on an alternative basis in the 1936 year, but did not run into that, got the 1937 year. Alas, many had to be pulled out with blood and meat, for which the innocent suffered denunciations. Then the War, the Devastation (not before the election was) and the death of the Leader. And then the ram pump started.
                  Nikolay, you have + 2 from us, in my opinion? Together awake on the whole site? laughing hi
                  1. Amurets
                    Amurets 11 January 2018 07: 45
                    +4
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Nikolay, you have + 2 from us, in my opinion? Together awake on the whole site?

                    If you have Primorye or Khabarovsk, then +1. I have an Amur region. The difference with Moscow is +6 hours.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 11 January 2018 09: 03
                      +3
                      I have an Irkutsk region, which means: + 1, you have it. I read it late, there are already not two of us, the Moldavian friend stirred. laughing He has that Moscow time, why can't he sleep on a deaf night?
                  2. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 15 January 2018 00: 16
                    0
                    "Alas, many had to be pulled out with blood and meat, for which innocent people suffered from denunciations." ////

                    You wrote wonderfully: "with blood and meat."
                    Under Lenin-Stalin, a blood pump and a ram pump worked together, and then under Khrushchev-Brezhnev only a ram pump remained.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 15 January 2018 05: 02
                      0
                      You may be glad that you live in Lorien. Holy people, what do you say. They unleashed two world massacres, staged a famine in Bangladesh (British Bengal), the genocide of Soviet residents in the occupied territories, but this is not meat and blood. The main evil is the Communists and Stalin. So be it. The main thing is that you are aware of where the ram pump stands and you know its structure perfectly.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 15 January 2018 12: 17
                        0
                        I did not say that - the main thing. You "attribute" things to me.
                        But - one of the main ones. In the top ten "angry", if we take the 20th century.
                        Thank God this is history, and generations have changed.
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 15 January 2018 12: 32
                      +1
                      For you, perhaps yes. Still, an absolute evil for some from Ukraine. Comparing what is happening in Russia now, with people, education, medicine, industry, I understand that communism is the only way out for my country, at least.
  15. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 January 2018 14: 25
    +3
    Mikado,
    The main thing is to understand what factor works, a colorful Doctor or a big enema
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 10 January 2018 16: 22
      +1
      one another strengthens and gives an amazing effect.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 January 2018 17: 58
        +3
        We need to check that tomorrow I’ll put on my Superman costume and go to sculpt plumbing. Think more crazy?
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 10 January 2018 22: 08
          +2
          Anton, the main rule: if you play Superman, then the cowards don over pants yes Do you agree? or better batman? laughing
          In general, at one time the joke was: "Every German plumber dreams at least once just to come to fix the plumbing". (well, you understand what kind of films with the German translation are in question drinks )
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 10 January 2018 22: 34
            +1
            That's right, the simplicity of the costume and props help to reveal the talent of the artist brighter! (And why didn’t I go to Karogodsky’s course? After all, I called!)
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 10 January 2018 22: 42
              +1
              And why didn’t I go to Karogodsky’s course? After all, he called!

              but at the same time, and why didn’t they finish the vocal course? recourse Eh, to him in the middle of the scene of an aria to sing, and he ...
              fate decreed! and nothing to regret! drinks
  16. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 January 2018 18: 01
    +2
    avva2012,
    Nifiga is not an allegory, this is my future.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 11 January 2018 04: 25
      +1
      C'mon, this is real, like a quilted jacket, I say a quilted jacket wink drinks
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 11 January 2018 19: 57
        +2
        You know, I may be a quilted jacket, but I build better than the bourgeoisie at times! "You need to do well, x .. it will work out by itself"
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 12 January 2018 04: 52
          0
          Workers of all countries, unite? wink I, it seems, also at work is not bad at work. No substantiated complaints. And, therefore, can the bourgeois really have an extra link?
  17. Mamka pula
    Mamka pula 10 January 2018 18: 20
    17
    What interiors are chic and dresses
    People were able to live
    If you could
    Doctors, teachers and engineers before the revolution - the cream of society. And now...
    1. kalibr
      10 January 2018 18: 38
      +4
      Yes, the floors in her house did not wash Papa Lenin’s wife, and Nadia Ulyanova, too, even in exile, didn’t. They always lived with a servant ... But they made friends with classmates - now a woman is a doctor of sciences and washes and erases floors (in a washing machine, really). Like the saleswoman from Magnet ... The king was ... too kind! And it was necessary this way: for membership in the Socialist Revolutionaries and the RSDLP - the death penalty by hanging with the expulsion of all relatives to Siberia. For the attempt on the policeman, official, governor - the death penalty. Concealment - 20 years of hard labor. The publication of destructive materials, the call for violence - 10 years. Also for non-reporting. And all - there would be no more revolutions!
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 10 January 2018 22: 10
        +2
        And it was necessary this way: for membership in the Socialist Revolutionaries and the RSDLP - the death penalty by hanging with the expulsion of all relatives to Siberia. For the attempt on the policeman, official, governor - the death penalty. Concealment - 20 years of hard labor. The publication of destructive materials, the call for violence - 10 years.

        Our Petersburg historian Ikonnikov-Galitsky writes about the same. That power was like teddy bears. Played in democracy and tolerance, so to speak.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 11 January 2018 04: 37
          +2
          That power was like teddy bears. Played in democracy and tolerance, so to speak.
          No.291 1907 March - The order of the peasants 2-th Pavelkovsky society of the Balakhna district of the Nizhny Novgorod province in the II State Duma: We, the peasants of the 2-th Pavelkovsky society of the Balakhna district, being at a gathering in the presence of the village headman, had a judgment about the reasons that brought the Russian people to such a disastrous disenfranchised situation. True unrest and unrest is a product of the Stolypin government. Can there be a right life where military courts and the death penalty reign, where thousands of people languish in prisons and where hungry cries for bread are heard throughout Russia. In view of this, we, the peasants, of the Pavelkovsky society, through our deputy Mikhail Semenovich Fokeev, demand from the State Duma, first of all:
          1) Abolition of the military courts and the death penalty.
          2) Responsibilities of the Ministry.
          3) Take away all the land (monastic, church, specific, cabinet) without redemption and transfer them to the hands of the working people on an equal footing.
          4) Take the land from large private owners without redemption, and from small ones, according to a fair assessment.
          5) Cancellations of zemstvo chiefs.
          6) Election of people's representatives on the basis of universal direct, secret ballot. By exposing these requirements, we firmly believe that they will soon be implemented. Followed by 217 signatures. RGIA. F. 1278 (2). On. 2. 1907. D. 787. LL 355-556 Handwritten script.
          1905 July 17. - The petition of the peasants Khotebtsovsky volost of the Ruzsky district of the Moscow province to Nicholas II We suffer from uneducation. In zemstvo schools, we barely learn to read and write, and in parish schools — even less so; neither gymnasiums nor agricultural schools are accessible to our children, not to mention universities. We do not have enough hospitals and medical personnel, which is seriously affecting our health, we have almost no veterinary care, which causes our cattle to suffer and die. We do not have educated priests, and yet the priest must serve as the leader of the people, and the current priests, by their ignorance, do not satisfy us, and the high requisitions for their fulfillment are difficult for us. We suffer from low land, and the master's, cabinet, monastery, specific lands surround us and we must pay a high rent in order to use them. http://www.online812.ru/2010/11/29/017/ Think Nikolay about how people lived.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 11 January 2018 04: 31
      +1
      Quote: Mamka pula What interiors are chic and dresses. People were able to live

      There is a special category of people in Moscow. She does not understand anything in painting, is not interested in architecture and does not like ancient monuments. This category visits museums solely because they are located in beautiful buildings. These people roam the dazzling halls, enviously examine the painted ceilings, touch with their hands what is forbidden to touch, and mutter continuously: - Oh! People lived! They don’t care that the walls are painted by the Frenchman Puvi de Chavannes. It is important for them to find out how much it cost the former owner of the mansion. They climb the stairs with marble sculptures on the platforms and imagine how many footmen stood here, how much salary and tip each footman received. Porcelain is on the fireplace, but they, not paying attention to it, decide that the fireplace is unprofitable: too much firewood is consumed. In the dining room, sheathed in oak paneling, they do not look at the wonderful carvings. One thought torments them; what did the former owner-merchant eat here and how much would it cost at the current high cost? In any museum you can find such people. While the excursions cheerfully march from one masterpiece to another, such a person stands in the middle of the hall and, without looking at anything, growls yearning: Oh! People lived! Ilf I., Petrov E. / Twelve chairs
  18. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 10 January 2018 18: 21
    +1
    Interesting material in the article. The text has a photograph of the Cathedral. Penziaki, do you have it now? Or sunk into oblivion?
    1. kalibr
      10 January 2018 18: 32
      +2
      Cathedral commies blew up in the year 1928. Now he is rebuilding exactly the same as he was in the same place !!! It seems to finish Easter. Work goes on day and night!
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 10 January 2018 20: 08
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        Cathedral commies blew up in 1928.

        Do you think of a new article, an autobiographical? How they conducted subversive teaching anti-communist activities with a membership card in your pocket.
        1. kalibr
          10 January 2018 20: 52
          +3
          And what did his Martians blow up? What's wrong? I’m just like the Finnish sniper about which my article was here - I can say that I did everything that my senior party comrades ordered me to do and did it as well as I could and even better than many. What I was thinking didn’t matter. The teacher of history of the CPSU at the university at that time simply could not conduct any subversive work, even if he really wanted to. But I ... didn’t want to. For our devotion to Lenin’s cause, the party fed and watered us so well that only .... would begin to cut the branch on which he sits!
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 12 January 2018 10: 24
            0
            That's interesting ------- in 1928 blew up? Perhaps this is the year your mother was born, subsequently, the communist, teacher, Vyacheslav, + (-) years5. That is, your grandfather at that time was also a communist, is it? Well, again, + (-) what years. And you derogatoryly call the Communists? ....... Surprisingly and incorrectly.
      2. Evgenijus
        Evgenijus 10 January 2018 21: 04
        +2
        kalibr:
        Works go day and night!

        Thank God! Thank you for information. And do not pay attention to Satanists, let them shake from the mere sight of the golden cross on the dome of the temple. ... wink
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 11 January 2018 04: 46
          +1
          And do not pay attention to the Satanists, let them shake from the sight of the golden cross on the dome of the temple.

          Did you graduate from the seminary with a degree in demonology and satanic studies? The certificate is not expired?
          1. Evgenijus
            Evgenijus 11 January 2018 12: 36
            +3
            Are you a Satanist? The certificate of a Christian - a cross on his chest, I have it in stock. Where is the seal of the Antichrist? You have already shaken ... hehe (I was not mistaken in the signs) wink
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 11 January 2018 16: 44
              +2
              And that the cross on the neck of someone prevented the river of blood from shedding? News! Opened your eyes to the laws of the universe, thank you.
              1. Evgenijus
                Evgenijus 11 January 2018 17: 04
                +2
                No need to blame Christians on what the Satanists in Russia have been doing since 1917, led by your idol Lenin. 918 year is a bloody year, 100 years have passed, but we remember these rivers of blood. Lenin and his accomplices had no crosses on their chests.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 12 January 2018 05: 26
                  +1
                  And no one brings down Christians. "but we remember these rivers of blood" belay We, Nicholas II, or what? You know, split personality leads to dire health consequences. Do not get carried away, otherwise “voices” and painful ideas of a religious / messianic nature are possible as a complication. Say, "I," it is more natural. For example, “I am Charlie Ebdo,” as civilized people do or “I hate those who built a great state and won the Great Patriotic War”, as is customary among Russian citizens (Sytin and co). ps Satanism is a series of occult-religious beliefs, worldviews and beliefs, formed in the 19th century as a protest against the dominant position of Christianity, in which the image of Satan is interpreted as a symbol of power and freedom. This religion, if you please, the Communist Party in 1918 denied any religion, because, on the basis of dialectical materialism, it adhered to atheism. If so, you began to talk about such serious things, then do not be an "education", have an idea of ​​the terms.
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            3. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 12 January 2018 10: 14
              +2
              Quote: Evgenijus
              Are you a Satanist? The certificate of a Christian - a cross on his chest, I have it in stock. Where is the seal of the Antichrist? You have already shaken ... hehe (I was not mistaken in the signs) wink
              Super! I have never seen anything like it here! And clairvoyance and occultism! And how to combine this with virtual epaulettes and a virtual five-pointed asterisk on them?
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 12 January 2018 12: 27
                +1
                and your comment will be deleted .. like mine. You can’t offend the feelings of believers even if they are not believers ..
  19. OAV09081974
    OAV09081974 10 January 2018 19: 13
    18
    Such is the monument to I. N. Ulyanov standing in Astrakhan
    On Lenin Square - next to the Kremlin

    And from the opposite side of the Kremlin - a classical monument of V.I. Lenin.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 January 2018 21: 52
      +2
      Powerful! This is some kind of Betman, not Ilyich!
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 10 January 2018 22: 17
        +5
        I was in the village of Ushachi in Belarus, this is the area of ​​the partisan region itself. There is just a very massive bust (directly - the administration, to the left of it - the fisherman’s store, to the right - the department store). Ah, what a genie! What a fat! Mmm! Thank you from the bottom of my heart to Belarusians for last summer! drinks

        Before the war, there was also a monument. When the Germans arrived, they drove the Jews into the ghetto, and ordered to destroy the monument by hand, and then shot the entire ghetto after a while. After the war, front-line Jews who returned there restored their memory ...
  20. Amurets
    Amurets 11 January 2018 05: 52
    +3
    avva2012,
    Quote: avva2012
    Perhaps he refused a medical examination.
    This name was written in the minutes, and the trial took place without his participation.
    This often happens in world courts, and then it’s hard to prove that you are not a camel. And not just for alcohol and drugs. Magistrates' courts try to hold without plaintiffs and defendants at all, so sentences are easier to stamp.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 11 January 2018 06: 48
      +2
      Nikolai, the law clearly states that if he refused, then alas, he is automatically guilty. And judge for yourself, if a person has not consumed, then it means there is nothing in the blood, and there is no reason to refuse an examination? No medicine ppm in the blood will show, unless, of course, a couple of glasses of valocordin are swung.
  21. leo1946
    leo1946 11 January 2018 08: 08
    +2
    When I told my grandmother about the 20th congress and about Yegor Ligachev, she asked: and when this yurka became Yegor, I don’t know, if this is Yurka Ligachev from Novosibirsk, he was the main Komsomol member, and I washed his crap underwear, and not only him. Well, he asked the folder about the yurka-egorka, and he set me on fire: duck is the same thing, and it’s also true about cowards. After this wash, he became the secretary of the regional committee of VLKSM.
  22. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 January 2018 15: 58
    +3
    Olgovich,
    Photos you can always choose the successful and "photo-toads."
    Here, for example, Lenin’s sister - Anna.
    And in general, it is not a matter of transferring hatred to one
    man (I also do not like Vladimir Ilyich) for his whole family.
    The son does not answer for the father - an important principle. So are the parents
    cease to be responsible for their children when they come of age.
  23. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 January 2018 16: 23
    +2
    for kalbr:
    "even the children of tailors could study in gymnasiums," ////

    But Ilya Ulyanov was still a nobleman smile - by the landowner mother Anna Smirnova.
  24. marline
    marline 11 January 2018 17: 29
    +1
    Great article, Vyacheslav Olegovich. The article is definitely a plus.
    And still you pricked us a little with dresses. Here, for example, an outfit with a signature:
    Isn’t it so easy to fall in love with such a beautiful woman and in such a dress!

    I want to ask, and where is the tournament here? And here it isn’t ... Because the dress is in the Empire style. In these, Josephine Beauharnais and Natasha Rostova shone at their first ball. However, during the teaching of Ulyanov in Penza, the Victorian style was in fashion, as on paper dolls.
    1. kalibr
      11 January 2018 20: 02
      +2
      You know, I honestly don’t know. It was necessary to photograph all the signboards. But ... I was in a hurry. I had to do with "round phrases." But the museum did not get worse from this ...
      1. marline
        marline 12 January 2018 00: 11
        0
        And the article didn't get any worse.
  25. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 11 January 2018 19: 29
    +3
    avva2012,
    Surround, Doctor !!!! I don’t know who is like, but Kotische will definitely not forgive you!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 12 January 2018 05: 36
      +2
      With Vyacheslav, it seems, like the world. He agreed with my argument that I have nothing against cats. So the indulgence is obtained with this seal: