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Ukrainian tank "Bulat" dangerously underestimate

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Ukraine is shaking another tank scandal that the Russian media happily picked up. Local experts say that the T-64BM Bulat tanks after modernization at the plant are not suitable for military operations. But if we analyze the claims to Bulat in detail, it will become obvious that it is too early to bury the Ukrainian tank industry.




The director of the Ukrainian Center for Army, Conversion and Disarmament Studies, Valentin Badrak, literally cries: all those spoiled by T-64BM “Bulat” were urgently sent to the reserve for decay, because the equipment “does not pull”. Folk money wasted away thoughtlessly.

The blame for everything is the usual laxity of the heirs of the Soviet "defense industry" and the lack of proper control: Ukroboronprom does not monitor the quality of Ukrainian armored vehicles, but its costs and the number of cars produced, that is, it takes quantity.

For Russian observers like news - a reason not for sadness, but for gloating. But this time it is worth thinking about what specific factors of the unsuitability of Bulat for combat were brought by expert Valentin Badrak and his unnamed colleagues.

One of the main reasons is the absence of a “certification base” at Ukroboronprom. This is really important - and this is an objective failure of the Ukrainian "defense". But if expert Badrak is hit on the back first with a shovel, which has a “certification base”, and then with a shovel without a certificate, he will not feel the difference.

It is impossible not to notice that the experts operate mainly with emotions, not facts. What does this expression mean - "not suitable for battle"? To fight with whom? For tank combat or for tank blitzkrieg? Unsuitable in what - can not shoot or can not drive? Professional liars know: the less detail, the more invulnerable the lie. If Badrak called a tank gun or a tank engine worthless, the military would show him on his broken fingers how much he was mistaken. And so - what to prove?

We turn to the other claims. Part of "Bulatov" lost in the battles. So what? In war they can even kill. Claim to the tank that he was hit? Any technique in the war, sooner or later knock. Unkillable machines do not exist at all.

The comrade says that dozens of cars are idle at the factory in Kharkov without repair and are located in training centers. Together, this led to the inability to form even one battalion of them - the 31 tank. The military allegedly abandon Bulat because of their large mass and weak engine, preferring linear T-64 and modifications of T-72 and T-80.

For example, a tank has a really large mass and a weak engine, we will believe "experts." However, it is well known to those who were in the war: it is better to hide from the bullets behind a large tank with a weak engine than from couch experts with a cast-iron forehead. Let even a weak tank with a 125-mm cannon covers you, than representatives of the public with their likes and reposts.

Now seriously. T-64 - the brainchild of the Soviet "defense." Even T-34, having stood on pedestals for many years, after a little prophylaxis, they start and go where it is necessary, which was proved, including in the Donbas. And T-64 were not on pedestals, but on storage bases.

Bulat tanks are a deep modernization of Soviet T-64А / B / BV tanks. Adopted as the main tank of Ukraine in the 2004 year. Ten years later, these cars went to war - and for such a war, the Bulat tanks are quite suitable. They do not need to participate in tank wedges, defense breakthroughs and long marches for hundreds of kilometers. They are mainly used as a means of infantry support, the suppression of individual firing points and control of the territory. Even a gun on wheels is suitable for these purposes. But the tank is much better.

Combat weight of the tank - 45 tons. Crew - three people. The "Bulat" multi-layered armor. Active protection KOEP "Varta". Built-in dynamic protection and dynamic protection "Knife". The caliber of the gun - 125 mm, ammunition - 40 shells, of which 28 - in the automatic loader. The firing range is two and a half kilometers of BOPS and cumulative shells, 10 kilometers of high-explosive shells and five kilometers of guided missile. Bulat also has an 12,7-mm anti-aircraft machine gun and a 7,62-mm machine gun.

The machine uses a multi-fuel diesel engine with horsepower 1000. The speed on the highway is 70 kilometers per hour, the power reserve is almost 400 kilometers. The tank easily overcomes the meter wall and a three-meter-wide moat. What can be claims to such a tank?

Soviet T-64 was created in those years when there were still plans for a big tank war. His destiny is to destroy and suppress, but he has a huge reserve for modernization.

Bulat surpasses even some of the most advanced Eastern European tanks, such as the Romanian T-55 Bizon, the Polish Twardy T-72M, the Czech and Slovak T-72М2 and T-72СZ. It can compete with the Russian T-80 and T-90 tanks and even with the western “Leopard-2А5” and М1А2 “Abrams”.

Of course, Bulat has flaws and vulnerabilities to more modern machines, but, as one old tankman used to say, “I would have my crew, and on my 64, any Abrams would print to the ground.” Weapon - this is primarily people. A well-coordinated crew on an old vehicle will destroy the young and inexperienced even on the most advanced machine.

Today, Ukraine has five tank brigades and four separate tank battalions. On the former storage bases of the three Soviet tank divisions there is still a lot of equipment. Moreover, after the collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainians did not sit idly by, but began to create their own tank building. Over the past years, local gunsmiths managed to do much in the field of new tank defense, fire control, communications, and so on. As a result, according to its characteristics, the Bulat tank has grown to the world level of tank building.

In 2005, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received the first Bulat 17 tanks. In 2012, their number increased to 80. The service life was extended by 15 years, and the service life grew to 11 thousands of kilometers. Like new cars.

The latest proof of the "worthlessness" of the Bulat tank was the fact of its placement in the defense reserve. But in fact, this is an indicator of excellent weapons. In a war (especially one that goes in the east of Ukraine) it is more expedient to use something that is worse. The Russian military both campaigns were driving the worst equipment to Chechnya. Subunits from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka visited the republic, and they all carried the oldest and most broken tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Much of this was subsequently burned by militants. But the new command cars have reserved for the future. Why burn expensive cars ahead of time?

There are very different tanks: "Leopards", "Abrams", T-80, Type 90, but RPG-7 made them all equal. They all burn equally well from a cheap hand-held grenade launcher.

What really happened to Bulat? Apparently, this is the usual disassembly within the Ukrainian "defense". Supporters of the T-84 “Oplot” tank tried to bury Bulat T-64, which is being modernized at the same factory, by slander and slander. Their motive is money. The Oplot T-84 tank is four times more expensive than the Bulat T-64 modernization, and was not included in the Ukrainian state defense order last year. In terms of their main characteristics - firepower, protection and mobility - these tanks hardly differ from each other. However, it is more profitable for the plant to make new expensive tanks than to upgrade old ones cheaply. So the bike about the bad "Bulat" was invented.

Some may be indignant, but the modernization of tanks is today the main direction of the world tank industry. Modernize everything and everyone: the Germans - "Leopard-2", the Russians - T-72B and T-80, the Americans - "Abrams", the Israelis - "Merkava".

Therefore, to discount the armored forces of Ukraine is a big mistake. Do not confuse lobbying spells with the verdict of the industry - there is a risk of losing vigilance at the most inopportune moment.

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  1. Titsen
    Titsen 29 December 2017 06: 34
    +5
    The main thing in the article is BURN!

    And the rest is on the side.

    This is 404!
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 29 December 2017 07: 08
      22
      The article is an attempt by the dill to praise themselves. yes
      He cites data on the Bulat’s weapons from the media without going into “some details”, and how can he “go into” them if he wasn’t engaged in armored business in kind? what
      The most vulnerable part of this tank is a two-stroke diesel. A lot has been written about its shortcomings, including in VO.
      Tired of changing motors, that’s what they brought to the reserve.
      Yes, and the MSA components are either a Ukrainian remake, or even second-hand Soviet units mined from non-factories.
      What is their quality, the story is silent, but, judging by the statements, worse than the good old Soviet ones on the T-64B1, B, BV.
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 29 December 2017 07: 16
      +5
      The main thing is that those who should be appointed according to their position, in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, would evaluate “Bulat” correctly, and not on the basis of an article in the media
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 December 2017 07: 46
        +8
        Bulat incidentally passed to the militias.
    3. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 29 December 2017 10: 03
      19
      So I understand that only 404 tanks are BURNED? You will find photos of the best (but burned) Russian T-72, -80 in Chechnya?
      Impenetrable tanks do not exist, there are only impenetrable I.D.O.T.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 December 2017 11: 51
        16
        Quote: Shura of the sailors
        So I understand that only 404 tanks are BURNED? You will find photos of the best (but burned) Russian T-72, -80 in Chechnya?

        Hehehehe ... until 2014, the notorious Baron fiercely argued that the T-64 does not break through, does not burn, and the BC does not explode. Unlike crafts of Krivorukov Tagil breeders shoved into the arsenal of a sabotage machine (This is not an exact quote from the Baron, but the quintessence of his reasoning about the T-72). And at the same time, the Baron actively posted those very photos of the burnt T-72s - here, see how the T-72 burns in practice, in contrast to the theoretically unaffected T-64.
        All requests to give facts of a similar combat use of the T-64 Baron ignored or sent ... to Transnistria.
        And then began the active use of the T-64 in battles in Ukraine. And they sent photos of the corpses that had collapsed at the seams and the towers of the Kharkov ubertank flying off. At first, the Baron, when he saw the next photograph of the destroyed T-64, did not agree to less than Krasnopol. But in the end he reached a 120 mm mine in the roof of the tower. smile
        1. megavolt823
          megavolt823 29 December 2017 12: 34
          12
          I wrote a lot about tanks. I am interested in tank history and communicate with different people who have had experience with different techniques in different conditions. tank is a very dependent product. both from people inside and out. from the area of ​​application and from the generals. I do not believe in universality. the best tank is not invented. and will not appear. the tank may be modern. can be adapted to the terrain. but effectiveness is determined by people with experience. even fuel quality can be fatal. or its absence is corny. the modernity of the machine is determined by the time challenge factor. not the price or the presence of cool gadgets. quantity and not quality and history is not your opinion from the couch. and everything else is show off and fantastic. hi
          1. megavolt823
            megavolt823 29 December 2017 13: 00
            +6
            do not confuse a full-scale war with hostilities. guerrilla war on terror. and leave the word terrorism to politicians. medium tank even brought to the concept of the main. remains average. and over time it is decommissioned in armament and protection into light tanks. Ties have losses 50% in battle and 50% undermine that would not get. everything has a priest. and the tank is no exception. The BMP 1 was ineffective in the war in Afghanistan. The 2 BMP had high angles and a lineup. not all equipment worked in high altitude conditions. You can write a lot, give examples. universality as a golden member of failed ideas. but the species is an even worse solution in a full-scale war. hi
      2. tochila
        tochila 31 December 2017 00: 07
        0
        Can I have a photo of the T-80 burned out in Chechnya?
      3. Uxus
        Uxus 3 January 2018 17: 17
        0
        I don’t know where is “Bulat” and where not ...:
      4. The brightest
        The brightest 9 January 2018 16: 56
        0
        Quote: Shura of the sailors
        Impenetrable tanks do not exist, there are only impenetrable I.D.O.T.

        Apparently, such VNA even ended, once the “damask steel” was removed to the warehouses, during the time when there is an unprecedented war with Russia and everything that can be removed from the warehouses.
    4. iouris
      iouris 29 December 2017 12: 33
      +8
      Quote: Titsen
      The main thing in the article is BURN!

      To capture the LPR and the DNI, these tanks are quite suitable. And they are no longer needed for anything.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 29 December 2017 17: 09
        +7
        Israelis - Merkavu
        On the holy - no need to wave. And then ... Professor come - restore order ... winked
  2. Per se.
    Per se. 29 December 2017 07: 05
    +5
    What really happened to Bulat? Apparently, this is the usual disassembly within the Ukrainian "defense". Supporters of the T-84 “Oplot” tank tried to bury Bulat T-64, which is being modernized at the same factory, by slander and slander. Their motive is money. The Oplot T-84 tank is four times more expensive than the Bulat T-64 modernization, and was not included in the Ukrainian state defense order last year.
    So, this is “ce la vie”, unless otherwise, we have an argument that “the skin is not worth the sand”, and the ship will be slaughtered with a hull that is unique in its durability, or a “golden platform”, something that has not passed the test cycle, will be slaughtered. not adopted. In any case, with lost production connections, lost-liquidated design bureaus, testing grounds, test benches, ruined, bankrupt factories, it is necessary to use their potential more wisely, including, if possible, to modernize or redesign stocks of tanks as the same platform. And, in any case, you can not underestimate the possible enemy.
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 2 January 2018 15: 54
      +1
      I agree how much controversy over the past year has been about the fact that the T-90B3 or Armata, the SU-35 or T-50, AK or AEK are better. And how many such "battles" were during the USSR. T-64 "Bulat" is in every way more dangerous than the non-modernized T-64. Below are the correct comments about the role of weapons, when you have nothing to defend, anyway old or new weapons will kill you.
  3. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 29 December 2017 08: 05
    18
    I do not presume to judge what “Bulat” will show in a tank duel or in a battle with ones like it, but ironic comments are superfluous. Any weapon is called to KILL! And for the funeral, it doesn't matter what the soldier was killed for - from the modern Barrett M107A1 or the Mosin rifle, model 1891.
    1. Vvol
      Vvol 31 December 2017 08: 47
      0
      For the funeral, it’s not important, but for relatives and organizers of the funeral, it has a certain meaning. So for the “accuracy” of the 12,7 mm caliber., Unlike 7,62, I don’t want to vouch, even if the hit was not in the head / face ... As a result of the use of some ammunition, because sometimes you have to bury the sufferer in closed the coffin. And sometimes you have to pick out the remains from the tank ... And sometimes there’s nothing to "bury!" ... One thing is the same: in relation to all these sufferers, both "neatly" and "neatly" killed, there is a reinforced concrete verdict - did not survive . recourse Here, yes ...
  4. Astoria
    Astoria 29 December 2017 09: 33
    +4
    Clinical author:
    1st promise -
    Weapons are primarily people. A well-coordinated crew on an old technique will destroy the young and inexperienced even in the most advanced car.

    2nd promise -
    In a war (all the more so as it is in the east of Ukraine) it is more expedient to use what is worse.


    But seriously - the military budget 404 is a grandiose cut of money in a poor country: the latest example is the purchase of communications in Turkey. The authorities are temporary workers, the task of restoring defense is not needed / not feasible. What kind of modernization can we talk about, repaint two tanks and report, and then talk about
    world-class tank building.
    1. katana
      katana 29 December 2017 16: 13
      +7
      Why Turkish radio stations are bad if you consider buying them a sign of cutting money? A few months ago, on the same site, there was an article saying that Armenia was buying radios from Russia. So your forum users almost wrote that these radios were complete Some members of the forum even wondered: “Why do the Armenians need such radio stations?” But the casket here is very simple - Armenia does not have money for walkie-talkies and other things from other countries, but Russia sells on credit. Recently there was an exhibition of Czech goods and Armenia offered modern army radios, but alas, the Armenians didn’t have money. And the Turkish goods that I had the opportunity to use outperform similar goods from other countries. I don’t want to indicate specific countries.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2017 16: 58
        +4
        Astoria is a typical "couch general." One would like to ask such as in the film "Ata Baty": - Have you ever seen a tank? Well, about thirty meters, when he rushing at you? ....
        1. Astoria
          Astoria 29 December 2017 17: 46
          +2
          The leader of something there, they didn’t call you into the conversation, and the fact that KV stuck on the avatar does not make you a hero of the Kursk Bulge, is available for those who are in the tank wink
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 30 December 2017 17: 37
          +5
          After the school, they took part in the “running-in” division. Although I ended up tanking - what, like, to be afraid of, but, damn it, an amphibious backpack behind me - this is such a hump, it turns out when the tank rolls at you, pi.pec! laughing drinks
          1. cannabis
            cannabis 30 December 2017 18: 29
            +1
            And we were run in the first year. Circus! Jump from a birch to a power, and close the triplexes with a raincoat and tent. Then, lying next to the trench, wait for it to hit you — the earth is shaking, it’s cramped from frost, but if you just put a grenade under a lump and have time to fall into the trench. Then they threw UPG-3 with a powder charge for an argument - anyone else will fly away.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 31 December 2017 19: 33
              +5
              Perverts! You can’t do this with a tank! laughing
              And we didn’t have a trench. You lie in the grass, a tank comes, roll over under it. Then - a grenade (I’m already aware of the RKG 3E, I don’t remember), then - a line from the machine gun for "escaping tankers". But u
      2. Astoria
        Astoria 29 December 2017 17: 44
        +3
        Turkish radio stations - bad / good I don’t know, I focus on the 404 press: the Turks published a contract in which the walkie-talkies went through the Ukrainian gasket which made the contract 30% more expensive, + with regard to the estimates of 404 specialists, the purchased equipment will require considerable additional costs since it is initially incompatible. In this case, I focus on the media in Ukraine.

        Regarding the fact that Turkish radios are bad / good - this is your notion.
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                1. ventel
                  ventel 30 December 2017 00: 57
                  0
                  Well, look at your level and write it. I served in the three armies how old I am. Yes, I forgot to add I'm not an officer.
                  1. Astoria
                    Astoria 30 December 2017 01: 00
                    0
                    I served in three armies how old I am.
                    - In the civilian war on the Kolchak fronts - this is noticeable. wink
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                    1. ventel
                      ventel 30 December 2017 01: 12
                      +1
                      I have four military politicians which one to call the first or the last.
                      1. gsev
                        gsev 31 December 2017 02: 31
                        +1
                        I have a familiar Afghan man, I didn’t really study at home, I immediately went to earn money, now I have opened a store in Russia. Once laughed at his education. In retaliation, for some time he hired men as sellers with only three entities.
                  3. evgeny68
                    evgeny68 1 January 2018 14: 04
                    +2
                    How about the oath of allegiance to the motherland. The homeland is also three.
                    1. ventel
                      ventel 1 January 2018 16: 27
                      +2
                      I have one homeland where I was born and raised and not where my country is sold for a high pension and the promise of heaven on earth.
  5. BAI
    BAI 29 December 2017 10: 05
    +5
    Bulat surpasses even some of the most advanced Eastern European tanks, such as the Romanian T-55 Bizon, the Polish Twardy T-72M, the Czech and Slovak T-72М2 and T-72СZ. It can compete with the Russian T-80 and T-90 tanks and even with the western “Leopard-2А5” and М1А2 “Abrams”.

    As I understand it, all this is for articles to appear in Ukro Media on the topic that even the aggressor-Ukrainian website VO recognizes the superiority of Ukrainian military equipment (as it was after the article on NATO tank biathlon, where Ukrainian tanks participated) .
    But actually, I always adhered to a point of view similar to the author - it is better to have at least some kind of weapon than none.
    1. BAI
      BAI 29 December 2017 12: 49
      0
      Guilty - Ukrainophobic.
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 2 January 2018 16: 05
        0
        In vain they apologized ... Here, all Ukrainians love! smile And yes, "it’s better to have at least some weapon than none." PzI a terrible beast when you have only a mosquito.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 December 2017 10: 25
    +3
    As I understand the author, while in Russia the Ukrainian military-industrial complex is “gloating”, it is becoming more powerful in spite of our country. Can I start to grieve?
    Why burn expensive cars ahead of time?
    And then Ukrainian strategists (or the author) turned out to be “smarter” than Russian ones. Of course it’s better to burn it later, but with a pomp.
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  7. alavrin
    alavrin 29 December 2017 10: 26
    +4
    I don’t have to express sympathy for Ukrainian tank building so clearly ... Yes, and not every tank is burning from RPG 7 now. You can check it on the same Merkava 4. And Ukrainian tank builders do not dream of producing the same Oplot, because there are no corresponding capacities and, most importantly, it’s a high-tech weapon, and in Ukraine there are simply no specialists left to produce it.
    In short, a superficial article.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2017 17: 00
      +2
      Do you work in the personnel department of the Kharkov backwater named after Malyshev? Or so - just to fart in a puddle for bubbles? ... It's me about the frames ...
      1. alavrin
        alavrin 29 December 2017 17: 13
        +3
        Well, yes, producing new tanks is not an avenue to name SS Hauptsturmführer. A stronghold - in a single copy - that is what non-fall Ukraine has today. So take note, and do not try to squeeze yourself out of something as if witty.
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          1. alavrin
            alavrin 29 December 2017 17: 35
            +5
            As Yury Tolochny, deputy commander of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in an interview with the Military-Industrial Courier, "the reserve of equipment is still large, but all this equipment is outdated and the potential for modernization is almost exhausted. Some modernization options are unsuccessful in a real battle." .. BM "Oplot" ... in the Armed Forces is available in a single copy - in the Kharkov Institute of Tank Forces. So the question is the state’s ability to purchase, and industry - the serial production of new machines "...
            Read and enlighten, but do not be rude, rudeness is a sign of infantilism or stupidity. Choose what is closer to you.
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2017 17: 46
              0
              Six T-84 tanks after repair and modernization transferred to the Ukrainian army

              bmpd
              November 20th, 2016
              The original was taken from a colleague diana_mihailova in the T-84 Party after repair and modernization was transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine

              On November 19 on November 2016 a photograph appeared depicting the chief engineer of the State Enterprise Plant named after V.A. Malysheva, ”Alexander Sheiko and the representative of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine against the background of the T-84 (object 478DU9).





              Since according to the contract signed in June, the transfer of the repaired and modernized tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine was planned in December 2016, they have already been returned to the customer.

              In June 2016, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine signed a contract with the Kharkov enterprise Malyshev Plant for the restoration and partial modernization of the first generation of the T-84 Oplot series tanks received by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2001.

              Here you have the first link to the Ukrainian stronghold. What is the volume of dill logistics? I am not responsible. Link from our growing bmpd site.
              You can also see Wikipedia.
              1. alavrin
                alavrin 29 December 2017 17: 57
                +4
                Well, let's argue purely logically, if Oplot is a new tank, then what kind of repair and modernization can we talk about? I know that there are several modifications of the T-84. So "Oplot", which was delivered to Thailand, in Ukraine, is really in one copy. Everything else that you mentioned above is bringing (modernization of tanks) to the T-84 level. Those. to one of the modifications.
                1. The leader of the Redskins
                  The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2017 18: 49
                  0
                  That is, being in service with the 2001 year of modernization does not require? Then why are we upgrading to T-72b3? The "Thai" version can also be in a single copy - just like whatever the "tropical" version is. And the "strongholds" - there they are ... All ten pieces are. According to the video, it only seemed to me once that in the background the "stronghold" flashed in the ATO, but I could be wrong. And at the parade they drove ten years ago in formation.
                  1. alavrin
                    alavrin 29 December 2017 20: 12
                    +2
                    It requires, but apparently, Tolkoy considers “Oplot” to be innovative for Thailand, and made 17 years ago as an early modification. Well, anyway, the T90A and T90B3 and this is a significant difference
  8. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 29 December 2017 11: 04
    +4
    The machine uses a multi-fuel diesel engine with horsepower 1000. The speed on the highway is 70 kilometers per hour, the power reserve is almost 400 kilometers. The tank easily overcomes the meter wall and a three-meter-wide moat. What can be claims to such a tank?

    As I understand it, the expert did not read Murakhovsky. smile
    But Viktor Ivanovich has described in paints - what is the T-64 engine and how well the mechanical driver lives with it. And running is also a miracle how good.
    By the way, if the tank before the modernization (with a concomitant increase in mass) had problems with the chassis - what will happen after the modernization?
    1. yehat
      yehat 29 December 2017 11: 51
      +1
      and how many rollers does bulat have?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 December 2017 11: 56
        +3
        Quote: yehat
        and how many rollers does bulat have?

        6 pairs Like the original T-64B. For completely cutting the chassis, remaining within the budget - this is akin to the Miracle of five loaves and two fish. smile
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2017 17: 03
          +2
          As the fur of the waters of the T-64 and T-72 I can not agree with the dviglo popovod. Chassis - yes, weak, but with 5TDF there were as many problems as with B-84. Much depended on the batch of the manufacturer. Often came across brand new cars that did not care for the required resource. Both those and those ... But repair "64" is easier.
          1. prodi
            prodi 29 December 2017 18: 32
            +2
            The idea of ​​two-stroke refers to the times of the USSR, and not Ukraine. The idea is wonderful. To have such an engine in the “reserve”, mindful of the 2nd World War was correct
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 30 December 2017 17: 54
            +6
            He exploited 64 in the Urals when he studied at the school. I remember one difference - the start temperature. The rest is a car similar to 72 and 80. The engine was enough. A chassis - while driving and 62 torsion bars burst. But - the lowest in the world, probably laughing There were 64 in the GSVG, even in reconnaissance battalions, but they did not send a complete crap there. So - for the Soviet tanks! drinks
  9. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 29 December 2017 11: 28
    +2
    The world level of tank building is Armata, which in one day has made all tanks in the world morally obsolete.
  10. yehat
    yehat 29 December 2017 11: 50
    +7
    Damask underestimated! This is not 45, but 46-48 tons of scrap metal!
  11. captain
    captain 29 December 2017 12: 21
    +6
    Yes, our patriots at VO "Bulat" just throw their hats.
  12. Fitter65
    Fitter65 29 December 2017 12: 28
    +7
    Therefore, to discount the armored forces of Ukraine is a big mistake.

    As well as the Ukrainian "aces" with a raid of 48-50 hours a year ... In one with the author I agree to discount even a monkey with a grenade is impossible, not to mention the banderlog in the tank. Who needs it has long considered all the pros and cons of tank troops of singers about the "puppy died" ...
  13. vlad007
    vlad007 29 December 2017 12: 29
    +5
    From the article it is not clear what SPECIFICALLY the modernization consisted of, what was done wrong. If you wanted to improve dynamic protection, then what exactly didn’t work out.
    The new tank, the author claims, "costs 4 times more expensive," but the work on its production is 4 times more. Unclear!
  14. Vadim237
    Vadim237 29 December 2017 14: 39
    +4
    One shot from an RPG in the DZ tower of this tank - and she herself will blow up the tank, as in this photo triggering of protection led to detonation of neighboring sections and to the explosion of fuel tanks.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2017 17: 07
      +2
      I can give in response the words of a distant acquaintance of the captain - the APU tanker, who said that he had a car in the company that withstood seven (!) Hits from the RPT into the frontal projection and remained in service.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 December 2017 17: 55
        +2
        "RPT in the frontal projection" Well, that says it all - probably with conventional grenades, not tandem. And so, do not hang up the trash, the result will be predictable
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2017 18: 00
          +1
          I won’t talk about warheads of grenades - I don’t know. Well, this photo ... So much so that with the “Leopards”, that with the “Abrams”, that with the t-72 and 3 you can dig a lot. Can one conclude from them that the tank is bad?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 December 2017 20: 50
            +3
            This tank will soon be 50 years old and its workmanship was far from ideal. His time passed as T 55 and T 62 for local wars will come down, but no more. The leopards and Abrams of the latest modifications correspond to the current time of warfare. And T 64BM and T 72B3 no longer correspond, for obvious reasons, to the rapid development of anti-tank systems.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 December 2017 20: 53
              +2
              Lucky here See the fuel tank was not full.
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2017 21: 23
                +1
                The same captain said that in real life these times they are most often filled with sand.
            2. ventel
              ventel 30 December 2017 00: 21
              +1
              And you didn’t think that Leo2 and Abramsy were designed with 64k in mind, because they would have to have names in the fields of Europe. And for some reason, there was a clause on the disarmament treaty for the disposal of names but not 64k and 62 or 55th of which there were not one on the storage bases Thousand.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 30 December 2017 18: 03
                +1
                64 live out their time, as scrap metal, the Ukrainian army.
  15. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 01
    +7
    Kharkov engines from T-64, which are also installed on the T-80UD, the modification of which is the T-84 Oplot and Bulat have never shone with reliability, they are not diesel engines from the T-34, the development of which is based on the T-72 and their comparison is not correct. ... Dynamic protection The knife completely explodes from the first hit, which leads to the collapse of the tower from the shoulder strap and, at least, the shell concussion ... This is not a secret for a long time .... But I think this is not the point ... Ukraine is experiencing an acute shortage of ammunition and production capacities for their manufacture ... The stocks of Soviet ammunition in NATO countries are not endless, and their shelf life has either expired or at the limit ... All these conversations about Ukrainian tanks are preparing society for the procurement of NATO-made tanks , of course, control units and not new models, but with a large stock of ammunition for them in NATO countries ... This is my opinion
  16. cannabis
    cannabis 29 December 2017 17: 52
    +1
    Bulat, Khazbulat ... Like it or not, but soon this tramp with Ukraine and Donbas will end, because one way or another all Slavic worlds will fight again with a united Europe. And it is not a fact that "Chin, Kun, commander, come on, come on help" will remain indifferent. The situation is the same as a hundred years ago, only exactly the opposite in geography.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 30 December 2017 18: 04
      +5
      So we ourselves arranged this bodyaga when we changed the homeland to "freedom". We should finish it before we are eaten. Only here is a hitch - if anything, few people will fight for their "pipe", and in the case of the nationalization of the stolen oligarchs, they promised us a civilian on TV. But it will not resolve itself, alas. "So shtaaa" (c)
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 30 December 2017 18: 16
        +1
        Kings and general secretaries, boyars and oligarchs, presidents and leaders both come and go. But Russia was, is and will be "eat."
  17. German1314
    German1314 29 December 2017 19: 47
    +1
    And if you weld more garbage cans onto it, the author of 100 pounds will be able to sit behind him even during a nuclear war.
  18. panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 29 December 2017 20: 04
    +2
    I served in the 70s. Then the T-64 was considered a priority. Revolutionary machine. Especially the T-64B (Ob). He did not go for export to any country. It was in service with the elite Kantemirovskaya division and the GSVG. And the T-72 was a tank of the Warsaw Pact and was considered a continuation of the T-62.
  19. ventel
    ventel 30 December 2017 01: 06
    0
    Astoria,
    Apparently guessed.
  20. Doliva63
    Doliva63 30 December 2017 17: 24
    +7
    "There are very different tanks: Leopards, Abrams, T-80, Type 90, but the RPG-7 made them all equal."
    Gee! laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 December 2017 18: 04
      +1
      With a reservation, who will not have KAZ and DZ.
  21. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich
    Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich 31 December 2017 02: 57
    +2
    This is where in that “Bulat” suddenly there was already a whole ... THOUSAND of horse power ???
    In fact, 850 is declared ...
    But even then, according to rumors of nonsense ...
    Firstly, no one really knows how much the power of the Soviet 5TDF was increased as a result of “modernization,” but it’s for sure that the 5TDF itself was supposed to produce 700 hp, but it always overheated due to the lack of normal fan cooling and therefore hardly gave out funny ... 600 hp
    And secondly, they didn’t even put OO “modernized” 5TDFM on all “Bulat” cars.
    In some places, the old Soviet 5TDF with a small motor resource was simply made capital and returned to its place :-)))
    And most importantly: Morozov’s lightest suspension, cobbled together under just 36 tons of the mass of the first prototype, was hung up today ... 45 (!) Tons of “Bulat”!?!
    As a result of all this wunderwaffle just can’t move normally ...
    This is NOT your Petersburg suspension of the Omsk “kerosene”, which will easily pull 50 (!) Tons, and it will remain as soft :-)))
    And the Kharkov freak T-64 was already a dead end even before its official adoption ...
    1. CooL_SnipeR
      CooL_SnipeR 2 January 2018 19: 24
      0
      Quote: Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich
      And the Kharkov freak T-64 was already a dead end even before its official adoption ...

      Such a dead end in the form of T72 and T90 / 80, if you meant the classic T64
  22. ventel
    ventel 31 December 2017 11: 08
    0
    gsev,
    Actually, it’s not about the level of education, but about intelligence, I just asked the task whether a person knows the history of his country, mathematics and at least some laws.
  23. tosha.chuhontzev
    tosha.chuhontzev 31 December 2017 16: 27
    0
    Tanks are the ritual archaic of the armed forces. Israelis need tanks against Arabian cobblestones, Ukraine and Russia to suppress local protests and control the territory of conflicts.
  24. asher
    asher 1 January 2018 16: 35
    0
    the industry’s best verdict is a workshop iskander with the most competent ukronazists
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 3 January 2018 16: 34
      0
      Iskanders no longer laugh, so the workshops will continue to work)
  25. CooL_SnipeR
    CooL_SnipeR 2 January 2018 18: 44
    0
    There are very different tanks: Leopards, Abrams, T-80, Type 90, but RPG-7 made them all equal
    Do not smack nonsense, 7 none of these tanks will break, unless in the stern or on board the MTO. Perhaps with PG-1VR in the forehead, how lucky it is. Chechnya to knock out the T7 required almost a dozen shots, and after that even the tank could fire back. I believe that the militants were most likely 80VL (aka ray). And the equipment that they burned - everyone already knows that the boxes with DZ were empty. And where it was - the Chechens beat them with tandem in one place - the first shot down DZ - the second pierced
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 3 January 2018 16: 33
      0
      I think the author here figuratively put it. Any expensive tank can be destroyed from a fairly cheap anti-tank systems. Even with a few shots. The price is not comparable.
  26. Uxus
    Uxus 3 January 2018 16: 31
    0
    Quote: Titsen
    The main thing in the article is BURN!

    And the rest is on the side.

    This is 404!

    Everything burns. We read carefully. Although ... Continue to squeal further about 404)) the more fun the surprise will be))
  27. Uxus
    Uxus 3 January 2018 16: 38
    0
    Quote: cunning
    soon this tramp with Ukraine and Donbas will end,

    Not soon.
    Quote: cunning
    one way or another, all Slavic worlds will fight again with a united Europe

    This will never happen.
  28. Uxus
    Uxus 3 January 2018 16: 41
    0
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    The world level of tank building is Armata, which in one day has made all tanks in the world morally obsolete.

    lol lol
  29. Uxus
    Uxus 3 January 2018 17: 07
    0
    Quote: Astoria
    Turkish radio stations - bad / good I don’t know, I focus on the 404 press: the Turks published a contract in which the walkie-talkies went through the Ukrainian gasket which made the contract 30% more expensive, + with regard to the estimates of 404 specialists, the purchased equipment will require considerable additional costs since it is initially incompatible. In this case, I focus on the media in Ukraine.

    Regarding the fact that Turkish radios are bad / good - this is your notion.

    I would not advise you to particularly focus on our media))))
  30. Uxus
    Uxus 3 January 2018 17: 22
    0
    Quote: Titsen
    The main thing in the article is BURN!

    And the rest is on the side.

    This is 404!

    Here you have a few chronicles of 404:
  31. NordUral
    NordUral 3 January 2018 23: 43
    +2
    The correct article. You should not listen to fools and crooks, as well as underestimate the potential enemy. Sad of course. that our tanks were now dangerous to us.
  32. A.Kaledin
    A.Kaledin 5 January 2018 13: 37
    0
    Ukrainians already got here :))). Like cockroaches, by golly, you can’t drive them out of Russian social networks and a slipper :)))
    If the author is such a special on tanks, then maybe he will give us an answer, but where in / in Ukraine do gun barrels are made ??? AND?