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USA to Palestinians: “almost Jerusalem” could be your capital

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The Palestinian party HAMAS publishes information that representatives of American diplomacy offer Palestinians to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. At the same time, the Palestinians themselves are invited to proclaim Abu Dis, which is closely adjacent to Jerusalem, as its capital.


USA to Palestinians: “almost Jerusalem” could be your capital


TV channel Al Jazeera quotes a statement from Hamas leader Ismail Hanii:
Washington proposes the Palestinians to proclaim the capital of Abu Dis. So the US is trying to improve relations in the Middle East, to resolve the situation in the Gaza Strip.


Abu Dis is a city with a population of no more than 16 thousand people. The Israeli authorities had previously ordered the wall to be fenced off from Abu Dis. The UN condemned the construction of the wall by the Israelis, stating that the wall made it difficult for humanitarian access (for example, to receive medical assistance). In response, the Israeli authorities stated, primarily guided by security considerations.

In Abu-Dis at the moment there are no objects of the management system that could make at least a hint of its status as a capital.
In the American understanding, Abu-Dis is “almost Jerusalem”, to which, to put it mildly, not all Palestinians are ready to agree.
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  1. shark
    shark 26 December 2017 15: 56 New
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    survived. Now the inferior and tolerant will decide where the capital is. To whom to sleep with, they have already decided. Now they took up the city. What's next? where is the border?
    1. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 27 December 2017 10: 18 New
      0
      Quote: shark
      What's next? where is the border?

      Yes, they have long been deciding. the truth is not rolling with everyone, but there are plenty of examples.
  2. Blombirus
    Blombirus 26 December 2017 15: 57 New
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    I’m on a drum and this Jerusalem, where I will never be, and Arabs, and Jews, and all their religious squabbles, but Jews with pin.dos have completely lost the coast. Hutspa and rushing.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 December 2017 16: 05 New
      +3
      Someday you will be brought there by tour.
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      2. Shurik70
        Shurik70 26 December 2017 21: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: Vadim237
        Someday you will be brought there by tour.

        Anyway, on the drum. Where the capital of Israel is the personal business of the Jews, and only them.
        Where the capital of Palestine is a personal matter only for Palestinians.
        Since the Palestinians want the capital of Jerusalem, and the Jews promised them that half of the city would remain with the Palestinians, this is an internal matter between the Palestinians and the Jews. If the Jews deceive, this is again their internal affair, for others it will only lower the degree of confidence in treaties with Israel, well, the neighbors will condemn them publicly, no matter where in the UN's empty talk. Only.
        But the United States really lost the coast.
    2. BAI
      BAI 26 December 2017 17: 15 New
      +9
      And I liked it in Jerusalem. When you walk on the stones of the pavement polished by people's feet and you realize that Christ walked on these stones - an indescribable sensation.
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      2. hrych
        hrych 26 December 2017 20: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: BAI
        that Christ walked on these stones - an indescribable sensation.

        He could not walk along the Elia Capitoline, which was built a hundred years after the Gospel Events. The old city is now exclusively Elia request
    3. PalBor
      PalBor 26 December 2017 17: 23 New
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      To me, too, to most of the current Middle East as to the problems of Nigerian red-footed finches.
      But in the next yard one kid scoffs at another, kicks, squeezes out toys. He does it insolently and with impunity because the older brother looms behind with a moronic face and muscular paws.
      That’s what angers terribly. And you just can’t pass by just turning away. No.
      1. stone
        stone 27 December 2017 09: 59 New
        +1
        In an adjacent courtyard, an intelligent Jewish boy has been trying to get along with many cattle neighbors for many years! This analogy comes to me.
        Arabs, by the hands of Palestinian Arabs, want to overcome Jerusalem. Do you want Jerusalem to become a Muslim city ?!
    4. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 26 December 2017 21: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: BlombiRus
      I’m on a drum and this Jerusalem, where I will never be, and Arabs, and Jews, and all their religious squabbles, but Jews with pin.dos have completely lost the coast. Hutspa and rushing.

      This must be stopped in the bud. Otherwise, soon they will appoint capitals in countries that you are not "on the drum." Then you will be outraged, but it will be too late.
      1. Fkjydjckfrgh
        Fkjydjckfrgh 27 December 2017 11: 44 New
        0
        Quote: osoboye_mneniye
        Quote: BlombiRus
        I’m on a drum and this Jerusalem, where I will never be, and Arabs, and Jews, and all their religious squabbles, but Jews with pin.dos have completely lost the coast. Hutspa and rushing.

        This must be stopped in the bud. Otherwise, soon they will appoint capitals in countries that you are not "on the drum." Then you will be outraged, but it will be too late.

        Well, the whole (practically) UN was outraged. AND WHAT?
        1. osoboye_mneniye
          osoboye_mneniye 27 December 2017 14: 16 New
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          Quote: Fkjydjckfrgh
          Well, the whole (practically) UN was outraged. AND WHAT?

          The UN is not a state. From his indignation, the consequences are only indirect. Another thing is when states feeding the UN are outraged. In such cases, there may be all sorts of options ...
          Sha big trolls. They, as it were, were not indignant about Jerusalem, since it is not so much that their territory. They just troll and achieve their goals. Who needs to be indignant to help Palestine is a big question. I would suggest that this should be done by Syria. And Russia will be anxiously supporting Syria and protecting it from aggressors-occupiers if they turn up in response. Like the story of the Israeli attacks on Syria under the pretext of combating hezbalah. And the Syrians, meanwhile, under the pretext of fighting the Isis in Palestine, with her consent, will occupy Jerusalem. It will be a lot of fun ... hmm .. apparently there will be two Jerusalem.
      2. Blombirus
        Blombirus 27 December 2017 12: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: osoboye_mneniye
        Quote: BlombiRus
        I’m on a drum and this Jerusalem, where I will never be, and Arabs, and Jews, and all their religious squabbles, but Jews with pin.dos have completely lost the coast. Hutspa and rushing.

        This must be stopped in the bud. Otherwise, soon they will appoint capitals in countries that you are not "on the drum." Then you will be outraged, but it will be too late.

        Maybe I’ll give you a terrible secret now, but it’s been quite a while since it’s not that the capitals are appointed, but even bombed by any means. But only those who can with impunity. Such a scoundrel is not with everyone. So take the drum!
    5. Cutter
      Cutter 27 December 2017 05: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: BlombiRus
      I’m on a drum and this Jerusalem, where I will never be, and Arabs, and Jews, and all their religious squabbles, but Jews with pin.dos have completely lost the coast. Hutspa and rushing.

      When Trump's son-in-law (Kushner) comes to your house, and gently says: "Undress ...", you will remember-DRUM YOU JERUSALEM, or NO !!! fool THINKING is necessary ...
      1. Blombirus
        Blombirus 27 December 2017 12: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Cutter
        Quote: BlombiRus
        I’m on a drum and this Jerusalem, where I will never be, and Arabs, and Jews, and all their religious squabbles, but Jews with pin.dos have completely lost the coast. Hutspa and rushing.

        When Trump's son-in-law (Kushner) comes to your house, and gently says: "Undress ...", you will remember-DRUM YOU JERUSALEM, or NO !!! fool THINKING is necessary ...

        Kushner, to me? It’s ridiculous. To undress me? I would like to see how he succeeds. You would not try to base Aesop's language. This is not your path. Here you need to THINK! Fabulist you are our unlucky.
  3. axiles100682
    axiles100682 26 December 2017 16: 17 New
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    I also have something like a drum whose Jepusalim, although for the safety of the ancient shrines of Jerusalem, I would have left it all the same for the Jews. The Arabs love to destroy not Muslim but their Muslim, but in their opinion incorrect ancient architectural structures.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 27 December 2017 08: 38 New
      0
      Quote: axiles100682
      Arabs like to destroy not Muslim but their Muslim, but in their opinion incorrect ancient architectural structures.

      Arabs? Or mercenaries?
  4. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 26 December 2017 16: 17 New
    +3
    So maybe we, too, can proclaim Sevastopol, well, at least the capital of southern Russia
  5. axiles100682
    axiles100682 26 December 2017 16: 20 New
    +7
    Although one could somehow agree peacefully. Why is everything constantly being decided from a position of strength? It was possible to give Jerusalem the status of a free city. Or create a confederate state with the Palestinians or an allied Jerusalem with the common capital.
  6. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 December 2017 16: 24 New
    +3
    Naglosanksonsky gentlemen after themselves have spoiled everywhere, wherever possible. And for the rest, it’s like running around a football field with a ball, where a herd of dumb, fat cows has been saved. Moreover, we must pay tribute to the crap completely consciously, in the hope of the future, or what? So Western civilization does not have a future; in vain did the youth hope.
  7. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 26 December 2017 16: 32 New
    +6
    "The Israeli authorities had previously ordered the fence off Abu Dis with a wall ..."
    Cosmopolitans were preparing in advance! The conspiracy between the Zionists of Israel and the United States has been creeping out for a long time, here is another confirmation!
    1. Strips
      Strips 26 December 2017 17: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: Hurricane70
      Cosmopolitans were preparing in advance! The conspiracy between the Zionists of Israel and the United States has been creeping out for a long time, here is another confirmation!


      From there, there are many Palestinian terrorists. This is the reason for the construction.
      Well, you can continue to fantasize.
      1. allaykbar
        allaykbar 26 December 2017 21: 07 New
        +6
        "terrorists" came from the moon and for no reason laughing

        why did they become terrorists? I'm projecting a situation on myself. Palestinians are trashed in their land. What would I do to protect my homeland if I were a Palestinian?

        He would be young, he would throw stones at the occupiers, and with age he would learn other types of resistance. Well, like our children during all wars.

        Probably for someone I would be a terrorist. Especially I would be searched for by the punitive organs of the invaders and told stories in Goebbels style about the capture of a particularly dangerous terrorist or group of terrorists and printed leaflets. And for the locals, I would be a national hero who beats the enemy.

        The Jews did not have their own state. They did not suffer him. They tried, but failed. The competition of nations. Crushed a long time ago. Anglo-Saxon came and decided to solve their problems, giving Israel the chosen ones. And not only Anglo-Saxon took part in this.

        In general, they certainly try to win the competition again. But you are few, and around the Arabs and in their consciousness you are on their land. Sooner or later, you will again disappear on the map. Because the state must still be earned. And the story is usually cyclical.

        You are on the map while it is beneficial to someone.
        1. allaykbar
          allaykbar 26 December 2017 21: 19 New
          +3
          and while there is a roof, you can of course decide where “your” capital will be, build fences on “your” land, but a fence is a fence. and the beliefs of Palestinians or other Arabs are beliefs.

          I wish all people on planet Earth a comfortable stay in their cities. But whether it will be comfortable for you in your Jerusalem after all this is a big question. The fence I think here vryatli help Trump of course anneals.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 26 December 2017 21: 57 New
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          Quote: allaykbar
          "terrorists" came from the moon and for no reason laughing

          why did they become terrorists? I'm projecting a situation on myself. Palestinians are trashed in their land. What would I do to protect my homeland if I were a Palestinian?

          He would be young, he would throw stones at the occupiers, and with age he would learn other types of resistance. Well, like our children during all wars.

          Probably for someone I would be a terrorist. Especially I would be searched for by the punitive organs of the invaders and told stories in Goebbels style about the capture of a particularly dangerous terrorist or group of terrorists and printed leaflets. And for the locals, I would be a national hero who beats the enemy.

          The Jews did not have their own state. They did not suffer him. They tried, but failed. The competition of nations. Crushed a long time ago. Anglo-Saxon came and decided to solve their problems, giving Israel the chosen ones. And not only Anglo-Saxon took part in this.

          In general, they certainly try to win the competition again. But you are few, and around the Arabs and in their consciousness you are on their land. Sooner or later, you will again disappear on the map. Because the state must still be earned. And the story is usually cyclical.


          You are on the map while it is beneficial to someone.

          During the Second World War, the Arabs who were pro-Hitler hoped to squeeze out the property built by Jewish settlers in the Land of Israel. In the end, they ended up in a slightly smaller ass than they deserve. Now the Palestinian Arabs are honored beggars of the Middle East. A few cormorants, but soon it will pass.
        3. stone
          stone 27 December 2017 11: 12 New
          0
          Lord, what kind of nonsense are you talking about. am Better go to Allah to pray, you will succeed!
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 27 December 2017 01: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: Tiras
        From there, there are many Palestinian terrorists. This is the reason for the construction. Well, you can continue to fantasize.
        The fact is that “THEY” lived there and did not grieve until the emergence of such a state as Israel. Now you see, “THEY” prevent Israel from driving them out of their native land, punishing them with death for not agreeing with this. Your logic is strange. This is the same as having swallowed the Baltic countries, NATO approached the Russian border and declared that Russia posed a threat to NATO.
        1. Neksel
          Neksel 27 December 2017 01: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Quote: Tiras
          From there, there are many Palestinian terrorists. This is the reason for the construction. Well, you can continue to fantasize.
          The fact is that “THEY” lived there and did not grieve until the emergence of such a state as Israel. Now you see, “THEY” prevent Israel from driving them out of their native land, punishing them with death for not agreeing with this. Your logic is strange. This is the same as having swallowed the Baltic countries, NATO approached the Russian border and declared that Russia posed a threat to NATO.

          The most absurd thing about this caricature is that already in the 39th year there was a Palestinian flag, but not at all like that.
          The flag of Palestine was a white-blue field divided vertically in half with a blue part at the pole and a six-pointed star of David depicted in the center.
          (According to the French dictionary of Larousse of 1939.)

          During the years of the British mandate (1920 - 1948), in accordance with international law, the Palestinian state, of course, existed as such. But like all its large institutions, the state was Jewish. Until the 1960s, the word "Palestine" was perceived by different peoples as something Jewish. The 4000-year-old homeland of the Jewish people, the Land of Israel, the Holy Land, were all synonymous with Palestine.

          So for that matter, the "Palestinians" are Jews living in Palestine. And the rest are aliens from Arabia. That's why they are Arabs :)
          1. the lord
            the lord 7 January 2018 04: 41 New
            0
            What are you talking about ?! And so easily, some Ashkenazi in the tubuteyka took all the Canaanites and wrote down the Palestinian-Philistine-Pilisthim in Arabs and deduced the formula by which they all need to stomp into Saudi Arabia.
            The fact that every illiterate equal Palestine with the Jews is a gap in education. They lived there before you and the Arabs began to click them for the reason that after the warriors from the prophet the magicians they had to adopt Islam and be called Arabs. Or your Khazar king Monyu in the North Caucasus, too, the Saudis swept, not the Aramaic Muslims. yes Iranians? So grab your tubuteyk, cut off the paisas and stomp onto the Turanian plateau, where you come from, a tribe. Nothing to disturb local people in Palestine. Saigas miss you, dear ...
  8. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 26 December 2017 16: 34 New
    +6
    It is strange that there are no Jewish professors on the site yet !!! So sleep all nishtyaki!
  9. high
    high 26 December 2017 16: 39 New
    +9
    Quote: shark
    survived. Now the inferior and tolerant will decide where the capital is. To whom to sleep with, they have already decided. Now they took up the city. What's next? where is the border?

    For decades, Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel, where all its government offices are located.
    When Putin and Medvedev come to Israel, they are received by the Prime Minister of Israel at his residence in Jerusalem.
    More than 20 years ago, the 2 Chambers of the United States Parliament, deciding to transfer the embassy to Jerusalem, gave half a year.
    Every half year, US Presidents signed an order to postpone the transfer of the Embassy to half a goal, President Trump did not postpone the deadline and instructed: to transfer the Embassy to Yersalim.
    Israel is not going to take permission from anyone where its capital should be ...., by the way, Russia did not ask anyone for permission to place the first battery of the latest supersonic coastal missile systems (DBK) in Kamchatka.
    Japan is protesting .... this does not bother Russia, why are forum users so worried about where the capital of Israel is.
    1. Going
      Going 26 December 2017 16: 53 New
      +6
      Yes, do what you want, why yell for the whole world and arrange a performance, would make the USA silent and there would be no problems why this circus was staged.
    2. nikolaev
      nikolaev 26 December 2017 16: 54 New
      +2
      there is no desire to figure out why no one supported you?
      1. Astoria
        Astoria 26 December 2017 16: 56 New
        +2
        Ok, God's chosen ones are always right laughing
        1. ADT
          ADT 26 December 2017 16: 59 New
          +6
          Wrong God-bearer. Not always . But often enough.
          1. Astoria
            Astoria 26 December 2017 17: 26 New
            +4
            Well, you know better, you executed Christ.
            1. Strips
              Strips 26 December 2017 17: 31 New
              +6
              Quote: Astoria
              Well, you know better, you executed Christ.



              1. Astoria
                Astoria 26 December 2017 17: 32 New
                +1
                gays do not understand laughing
                1. ADT
                  ADT 26 December 2017 20: 48 New
                  +4
                  ............. otherwise you are so mysterious ........
                  1. Astoria
                    Astoria 26 December 2017 21: 29 New
                    0
                    ADT - well, the first one was found tongue
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 26 December 2017 19: 25 New
              +5
              Quote: Astoria
              Well, you know better, you executed Christ.

              The Romans, actually)))
              And of the Roman soldiers in Judea, 40 percent were Greeks - representatives of the nation that later created Christianity.
              1. Arameev
                Arameev 26 December 2017 19: 45 New
                +6
                Quote: Krasnodar

                The Romans, actually)))
                And of the Roman soldiers in Judea, 40 percent were Greeks - representatives of the nation that later created Christianity.

                they know this, but prefer to blame the Jews. because if you blame the Romans, it will turn out somehow .... ugly)) they first killed, and then suddenly they announced God. and so-convenient: the Jews are to blame))
              2. Astoria
                Astoria 26 December 2017 21: 47 New
                +2
                Krasnodar, no offense, for the future - do not be clever. laughing

                Gospel of Matthew, Ch.27.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 26 December 2017 23: 28 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Astoria
                  Krasnodar, no offense, for the future - do not be clever. laughing

                  Gospel of Matthew, Ch.27.

                  Alas and ah, the custom to pardon someone in Judea by a plebiscite was not))) Pilate could have mercy - but he did not.
      2. Neksel
        Neksel 26 December 2017 18: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: nikolaev
        there is no desire to figure out why no one supported you?

        And you around the Crimea?
        1. the lord
          the lord 7 January 2018 04: 51 New
          0
          And nobody supported us? Wow ... Frequently the current Khazars will not dream)))))
    3. Astoria
      Astoria 26 December 2017 16: 55 New
      +4
      Japan is protesting .... this does not bother Russia, why are forum users so worried about where the capital of Israel is.
      - Imagine that as a result of some political changes in the United States, support for Israel will disappear, and the United States, for example, will tell you where to live with Palestine.

      Japan about the missile defense also didn’t really ask anyone, they just told her where to put it.
    4. BAI
      BAI 26 December 2017 17: 18 New
      +1
      And whoever said in Israel: "Jerusalem can live without Israel, Israel without Jerusalem - no."
    5. Maz
      Maz 26 December 2017 19: 23 New
      0
      Yes nm
      Quote: alta
      Quote: shark
      survived. Now the inferior and tolerant will decide where the capital is. To whom to sleep with, they have already decided. Now they took up the city. What's next? where is the border?

      For decades, Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel, where all its government offices are located.
      When Putin and Medvedev come to Israel, they are received by the Prime Minister of Israel at his residence in Jerusalem.
      More than 20 years ago, the 2 Chambers of the United States Parliament, deciding to transfer the embassy to Jerusalem, gave half a year.
      Every half year, US Presidents signed an order to postpone the transfer of the Embassy to half a goal, President Trump did not postpone the deadline and instructed: to transfer the Embassy to Yersalim.
      Israel is not going to take permission from anyone where its capital should be ...., by the way, Russia did not ask anyone for permission to place the first battery of the latest supersonic coastal missile systems (DBK) in Kamchatka.
      Japan is protesting .... this does not bother Russia, why are forum users so worried about where the capital of Israel is.

      Yes, we are oh, like dolpo bulbs. Though in Abu Ghosh.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 26 December 2017 20: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: Maz
        Yes nm
        Quote: alta
        Quote: shark
        survived. Now the inferior and tolerant will decide where the capital is. To whom to sleep with, they have already decided. Now they took up the city. What's next? where is the border?

        For decades, Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel, where all its government offices are located.
        When Putin and Medvedev come to Israel, they are received by the Prime Minister of Israel at his residence in Jerusalem.
        More than 20 years ago, the 2 Chambers of the United States Parliament, deciding to transfer the embassy to Jerusalem, gave half a year.
        Every half year, US Presidents signed an order to postpone the transfer of the Embassy to half a goal, President Trump did not postpone the deadline and instructed: to transfer the Embassy to Yersalim.
        Israel is not going to take permission from anyone where its capital should be ...., by the way, Russia did not ask anyone for permission to place the first battery of the latest supersonic coastal missile systems (DBK) in Kamchatka.
        Japan is protesting .... this does not bother Russia, why are forum users so worried about where the capital of Israel is.

        Yes, we are oh, like dolpo bulbs. Though in Abu Ghosh.

        Why don't you care? The Dnepropetrovsk region has always advocated Jerusalem as the single and indivisible capital of Israel ...))) And no one from the administration of your city, especially from the Dnieper businessmen, wants to give Abu Ghosh to the Palestinians ...
  10. nikolaev
    nikolaev 26 December 2017 16: 52 New
    +1
    you must always remember: “divide and conquer” - this formula has not lost its meaning! And it is used in BV. Is it necessary for ordinary Jews, Arabs, .... or maybe the most right choice will be when human life will become a determining factor for countries participating in the conflict ?.
  11. Strips
    Strips 26 December 2017 17: 09 New
    +2
    This is the only correct solution to the conflict.



    In Abu-Dis at the moment there are no objects of the management system that could make at least a hint of its status as a capital.


    However, most offices of the Palestinian Authority for Jerusalem are located in the city.
  12. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 December 2017 17: 19 New
    +2
    Why did the Israelis, let them through us, not want to peacefully solve this problem with the Palestinians, especially since Russia is getting along well with both sides?
    1. Strips
      Strips 26 December 2017 17: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Why did the Israelis, let them through us, not want to peacefully solve this problem with the Palestinians, especially since Russia is getting along well with both sides?


      lol lol lol
  13. Shahno
    Shahno 26 December 2017 17: 31 New
    +6
    Quote: Herkulesich
    Why did the Israelis, let them through us, not want to peacefully solve this problem with the Palestinians, especially since Russia is getting along well with both sides?

    And get along with them?
    "Neither Jordanians, nor Saudis, nor Egyptians like the Palestinian Authority’s demand for the complete exclusion of the United States as a mediator in the settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Therefore, according to reports in Jordan, these three countries decided to select the" reins "in the question of the status of Jerusalem and negotiations at the presumptuous Abu Mazen.

    By decision of the League of Arab States, a special commission will be created in the near future from the ministers of foreign affairs of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, with the participation of a representative of the PA, which will engage in the formation of a pan-Arab policy on the issue of Jerusalem.

    Thus, the Arab-Israeli conflict with the filing of Trump became the bone of contention between the opposing Muslim camps - Persian, Turkish and Arab. And, apparently, Abu Mazen, who all this time has pointedly ignored the other Middle East conflicts, will no longer be able to sit aside, using the unconditional protection of all parties, even if they conflicted with each other. Having openly opposed the United States and drawing other countries into a confrontation with Trump, he shifted one of the main balances in the fragile Middle East political balance, and further fluctuations in the weights may turn out to be too tough for him, first of all. ”
  14. Professor
    Professor 26 December 2017 17: 53 New
    +7
    Abu Dis is a city with a population of no more than 16 thousand people. The Israeli authorities had previously ordered the wall to be fenced off from Abu Dis. The UN condemned the construction of the wall by the Israelis, stating that the wall made it difficult for humanitarian access (for example, to receive medical assistance). In response, the Israeli authorities stated, primarily guided by security considerations.

    “Occupying” them is bad. You give them territory and draw a border on this side, badly. And what is actually good for you, gentlemen from the Fylistians? Rhetorical question.

    In Abu-Dis at the moment there are no objects of the management system that could make at least a hint of its status as a capital.

    I’m embarrassed to ask a nameless author, but is there in Jerusalem?

    In the American understanding, Abu-Dis is “almost Jerusalem”, to which, to put it mildly, not all Palestinians are ready to agree.

    "Palestinians"? No, I don’t know those. I know Arabs from Arab countries, I don’t know "Palestinians". recourse
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      1. Professor
        Professor 7 January 2018 17: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: znavel
        Don't you know the Palestinians, Khazarenok? These are the descendants of the Philistine pilishtim, who, unlike you, were in Harnan even before your Safardinians.

        And what is the connection between the present Arabs who have called themselves “the Philistines” since the 1964 year and the “pilisthimites-philistines”? wink
        1. the lord
          the lord 8 February 2018 05: 21 New
          0
          The most direct connection is the descendants of those who lived in these lands before the Safard, during the Safard and after the defeat of Israel by the Romans. Yes, at some point they were conquered by the Arabs and they began to be reckoned among the Arabs, but the Syrians were reckoned among the Arabs, but this people is more ancient than the Jews and was there before the Saudis for sure))))
          1. Professor
            Professor 8 February 2018 09: 50 New
            0
            Quote: znavel
            The most direct connection is the descendants of those who lived in these lands before the Safard, during the Safard and after the defeat of Israel by the Romans.

            Did you come up with yourself or who suggested it? Maybe you have material evidence? wink Arabs used to claim that they were descendants of the Philistines. Today, Abu Mazen said that they are descendants of the Knaans. Neanderthals are next in line.

            Quote: znavel
            Yes, at some point they were conquered by the Arabs and they began to be reckoned among the Arabs, but the Syrians were reckoned among the Arabs, but this people is more ancient than the Jews and was there before the Saudis for sure))))

            Right? And what remains of the ancient Syrians in today's Syrians? I don’t ask about the Fylystynts. They are newcomers, more recently.
            1. the lord
              the lord 8 February 2018 10: 06 New
              0
              In today's Palestinians and Syrians, much more remains of the ancients than of you, whose ancestors ran after saigas along the Turanian plateau))))). They can change spiritually wherever they please, but their blood will remain the same as their ancestor’s genetics. Unlike Vasoni - direct descendants of Canaan))))
              1. Professor
                Professor 8 February 2018 11: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: znavel
                In today's Palestinians and Syrians, much more remains of the ancients than of you, whose ancestors ran after saigas along the Turanian plateau))))).

                For example? Language, religion, culture? Come on? Anything? wink

                Quote: znavel
                They can change spiritually wherever they please, but their blood will remain the same as their ancestor’s genetics. Unlike Vasoni - direct descendants of Canaan))))

                Do give your calculations on their DKA. I do not have it either? laughing
                1. the lord
                  the lord 10 February 2018 02: 35 New
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                  But about the language, religion or culture, that is, if, for example, the Amer Adventist died and it happened. that his only heir is a cousin nephew from France, a Buddhist. Do you think he no longer has inheritance rights? After all, he does not know English (this happens in France), by faith, what difference does it make? Cultural differences are an abyss. How such a situation.
                  And prohfessor, what are you talking about? You yourself answer, before they answered you))))) You do your calculations. Find the burials of the ancients in the pestin and compare with yours - you will be very surprised. But according to the calculations of the DKA Canaan, do you have them? Or we will deny the right of those. whose family has always lived on this earth in favor of the savages who came from nowhere)))))
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 10 February 2018 08: 37 New
                    +1
                    Quote: znavel
                    But about the language, religion or culture, that is, if, for example, the Amer Adventist died and it happened. that his only heir is a cousin nephew from France, a Buddhist. Do you think he no longer has inheritance rights? After all, he does not know English (this happens in France), by faith, what difference does it make? Cultural differences are an abyss. How such a situation.

                    That is, no language, no culture, no writing, no religion left? Clear. good

                    Quote: znavel
                    And prohfessor, what are you talking about? You yourself answer, before they answered you))))) You do your calculations. Find the burials of the ancients in the pestin and compare with yours - you will be very surprised. But according to the calculations of the DKA Canaan, do you have them? Or we will deny the right of those. whose family has always lived on this earth in favor of the savages who came from nowhere)))))

                    You are nice, do not translate the arrows. You claimed that
                    Quote: znavel
                    They can spiritually change wherever pleases, but their blood will remain the same as that of their ancestors - the same genetics.


                    Now blown away fellow

                    Thickly troll.
                    1. the lord
                      the lord 1 March 2018 00: 41 New
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                      Professor, you’re not ashamed to like yourself and say that someone was blown away by the wait for an answer. An example was given to you with relatives so that a lawyer speaks to you and you understand that genetics is more important. than cultural or religious heritage. But you have degraded here. With what I congratulate you (I won’t put emoticons; I have no children’s fun).
                      It follows that their culture continued and developed into the present. But they can inherit the land exclusively by their blood relationship with their ancestors. And your estates in Turan are right now Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, it seems, but not the point. For the legacy to you - there, and in Palestine you are guests))))))
      2. svp67
        svp67 7 January 2018 17: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: znavel
        But no one knew Jews in Palestine until the 20th century.

        Sorry, but you have a darker mind ... It is enough to read the Bible to understand that you are carrying complete nonsense
        1. the lord
          the lord 8 February 2018 05: 18 New
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          Sorry, sorry, yes. Of course, -Tse nonsense, when the Khazarin claims to be related to the Babylonian slaves)))))). What hangover did you attach to the Abrashka tribe there? It is that until the 20th century you were not there. And your appearance in safards caused very serious objections. But their current is already not enough in relation to you, so you finally succeeded in shutting them up ... However, this does not cancel the fact that you do not have rights to this land))))))
          1. Professor
            Professor 8 February 2018 09: 53 New
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            Quote: znavel
            Precisely that until the 20 century you were not there.

            It was definitely not. For example, we will not recall the travel notes of Mark Twain or the books of the biographer Napoleon. Just forget them all. That's just what to do with the village of Pkiin where the Jewish influx ceased only on the 2 of the year and then in the 1940's? wink
            1. the lord
              the lord 8 February 2018 10: 08 New
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              And what do you have to do with safaris? Even if a part of the Khazars settled in Palestine a little earlier than your main mass, they are still only guests in this house and their voice is the last of all living there from the beginning of time
              1. Professor
                Professor 8 February 2018 11: 43 New
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                Quote: znavel
                And what do you have to do with safaris? Even if a part of the Khazars settled in Palestine a little earlier than your main mass, they are still only guests in this house and their voice is the last of all living there from the beginning of time

                So what to do with Pkeyin? Jews have been living there continuously since the time of the First Temple.
                1. the lord
                  the lord 10 February 2018 02: 39 New
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                  Professor of sour cabbage soup, there was a community there at all times or not, you Khazars, what do you have to do with them? This is a completely different people in relation to you. In addition, given how many times in the history of these poor fellows, all sorts of conquerors used them, can they be called your relatives?))))))
                  And I do not touch them, but you, the Turks)))))) And by the way. Druze, Christians and Halal live there right now. Jews do not mention something)))))
      3. Neksel
        Neksel 8 January 2018 20: 52 New
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        Quote: znavel
        Don't you know the Palestinians, Khazarenok? These are the descendants of the Philistine pilishtim, who, unlike you, were in Harnan even before your Safardins. But no one knew Jews in Palestine until the 20th century. Well you skullcaps, hitched themselves pace.

        And with what joy do you allow yourself to be rude to me and familiarize yourself, not respected?
        In this vein, I do not intend to conduct a discussion, dismiss me.
        Hamlo and mumps.
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  15. Dormidont
    Dormidont 26 December 2017 17: 58 New
    +5
    And why was it impossible to move the embassy to Washington?
    1. Neksel
      Neksel 26 December 2017 19: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Dormidont
      And why was it impossible to move the embassy to Washington?

      Wildly witty lunge.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 26 December 2017 19: 37 New
        +6
        I have a suspicion, dear man, that in the USA there are more Jews than Anglo-Saxons. So maybe Dormidont is right.
        1. Neksel
          Neksel 26 December 2017 20: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: sabakina
          I have a suspicion, dear man, that in the USA there are more Jews than Anglo-Saxons. So maybe Dormidont is right.

          there are unreasonable suspicions, but there are facts. as they said in Odessa - "2 big differences", dear.

          And purely technically, it's like - the US embassy in its own capital .....?
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 26 December 2017 20: 58 New
            +2
            Suspicions often turn into facts. Especially in people with good intuition.
            1. Neksel
              Neksel 26 December 2017 21: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: sabakina
              Suspicions often turn into facts. Especially in people with good intuition.

              Of course, I also really love science fiction, but let's better talk about the real world.
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 26 December 2017 21: 09 New
                +3
                This "science fiction" saved my life more than once. So you need to see which of us lives in a more real world.
                1. Neksel
                  Neksel 26 December 2017 21: 29 New
                  +2
                  Quote: sabakina
                  This "science fiction" saved my life more than once. So you need to see which of us lives in a more real world.

                  In general, we are talking about the US population, they said, what’s your side here?
  16. Nemesis
    Nemesis 26 December 2017 18: 12 New
    +1
    And the capital of the United States could become Manaus ...
  17. flicker
    flicker 26 December 2017 18: 52 New
    +6
    Is the US ready to build its embassy there?
    Eh, to walk so to walk, it’s time for Amers to declare Tel Aviv the capital of Palestine.
    It will be fun. lol
    1. Neksel
      Neksel 26 December 2017 19: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: flicker
      It is time for Amers to declare Tel Aviv the capital of Palestine.

      why? What do you think of the Arabs associating with Tel Aviv, especially in comparison with the centuries-old Jewish relationship with Jerusalem?
      1. the lord
        the lord 7 January 2018 05: 01 New
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        What are the Jewish connections with the Hittite city? Only the occupying)))) So, give yourself a little sarochka in Tel Aviv to the Philistines. According to the old millennia-old tradition, sung in the foul testament))))))
  18. Maz
    Maz 26 December 2017 19: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Neksel
    Quote: flicker
    It is time for Amers to declare Tel Aviv the capital of Palestine.

    why? What do you think of the Arabs associating with Tel Aviv, especially in comparison with the centuries-old Jewish relationship with Jerusalem?

    History, as Jews connect history.
    1. Neksel
      Neksel 26 December 2017 19: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Maz
      Quote: Neksel
      Quote: flicker
      It is time for Amers to declare Tel Aviv the capital of Palestine.

      why? What do you think of the Arabs associating with Tel Aviv, especially in comparison with the centuries-old Jewish relationship with Jerusalem?

      History, as Jews connect history.


      With Tel Aviv? Yes, you ...
      Unless as hired builders, at one time.
      In other matters - like the "Jerusalem" Arabs (Palestinians like ..), who overwhelmingly generally moved Hebron migrant workers,
      hired by the Jews in the construction of the western regions of the city.
  19. flicker
    flicker 26 December 2017 20: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: Neksel
    Quote: flicker
    It is time for Amers to declare Tel Aviv the capital of Palestine.

    why? What do you think of the Arabs associating with Tel Aviv, especially in comparison with the centuries-old Jewish relationship with Jerusalem?

    When the Americans declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel, in my opinion, they didn’t bother with historical realities (otherwise, they would have announced it much earlier), rather it was a political expediency - it was necessary to fan a new conflict (instead of the conflict, Syria was terrorists trying to launch Palestinian-Israeli). True, the situation has changed, and the conflict has so far been decided to be released.
    And if it is necessary to motivate the other side to the conflict (and collect likes from the Arabs), then it is entirely possible to declare Tel Aviv the capital of Palestine. It depends on what task (and the capital will be selected for the task) the Palestinian-Israeli conflict will have to solve.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 26 December 2017 20: 30 New
      +3
      If no one has a desire to conflict, what can be inflated?
      There are no losers in this conflict, except for Abu Mazen .. And for well-known reasons, he lost confidence.
      1. ADT
        ADT 26 December 2017 21: 13 New
        +2
        In one of Mlechin’s films, it was said that Abu Mazen was responsible for the financial part of the Munich Ter.act. And I don’t understand, if so, why does he even walk the earth. And for a long time he could still ride around Israel.
      2. flicker
        flicker 26 December 2017 22: 18 New
        +2
        If NO ONE ...
        And if there is someone who really wants to inflate ...
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 26 December 2017 22: 21 New
          +1
          So far I do not see any power beyond the control capable of this. Hezbollah can only, but not that weight category.
          1. flicker
            flicker 28 December 2017 18: 03 New
            +2
            Well, this is understandable, if the IG, Jebhat an nusra, etc. are under control then - yes.
            True, the question remains open: under whose control?
            If it is under Israeli control, then there is reason for calm, and if it is under US control, then calm is in great doubt.
    2. Neksel
      Neksel 26 December 2017 21: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: flicker
      When the Americans declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel

      The fact of the matter is that no one "announced" or "appointed" the capital. All the while, it's about “recognition.” only.
      So no one can “declare” the capital (tel aviv, or even mind-el-fahm there), the more so if the state does not exist, the phalastinians will not be able, with all the will.

      And the Americans simply recognized de jure that for decades now there has been de facto (and de jure according to the laws of Israel).
      By the way, mention that they actually recognized something back in the 95th year ...
  20. flicker
    flicker 26 December 2017 22: 08 New
    +2
    Neksel: "But the Americans simply recognized de jure that for decades now there has been de facto (and de
    jure according to the laws of Israel).
    By the way, mention that they actually recognized something back in the 95th year ... "
    -------------------------------------------------
    Well, so be it, but why have they been pulling "de jure recognition" since 95?
    Is it because, in addition to the legal side, there is also a political one, which is a powerful negative motivator, sharply increasing the degree of tension between Arabs and Israel, in a sense changing the agenda for BV?
    1. Neksel
      Neksel 27 December 2017 01: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: flicker
      Well, so be it, but why have they been pulling "de jure recognition" since 95?
      Is it because, in addition to the legal side, there is also a political one, which is a powerful negative motivator, sharply increasing the degree of tension between Arabs and Israel, in a sense changing the agenda for BV?


      I absolutely agree with your first phrase .. The key word is politics.
      All international relations are exclusively politics, but what else? Friendship? Love?
      naturally mutually beneficial alliances and relationships, temporary partners and travel companions. That's why she is politics.

      In our country it was just like the capital with all the authorities, and it remained. Whether the embassy will move here or not, also do not care.
      By the way, they (the USA) in Jerusalem have at least 3 locations of consulates known to me, which in state and area are much superior to similar embassies in Tel Aviv.
      And this is also a fact by which the difference is only in the name, another tag. In any case, their main work is apparently in Jerusalem. Presidents and representatives of world powers come here for official meetings ...
      So the fact is he is about Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, such a pretty accomplished one.
      And over time - everything will settle down.

      As for me - the recognition of the 95th year was much more important than the last, Trump.
      Well, as a resident and taxpayer to the treasury of the City Hall of Jerusalem, I am violet who decided to admit or not to recognize something.
      In fact - on the street, nothing has changed from this.

      It is very annoying when comrades here rant on the topic of Jerusalem, Israel, the Middle East, with the appearance of experts who not only have not been to Israel, but sometimes even flaunting proudly that their leg does not set foot here. But unfortunately - there is not much understanding of the situation of such types. Do not get fooled by this, gentlemen.
      East, this is a very delicate matter. Do not pop into it, do not. You and your worries are on your side above the roof, so it’s better to taxi there first.
      1. flicker
        flicker 28 December 2017 16: 54 New
        +2
        It’s all clear that in fact Jerusalem is the capital of Israel ... the question was and is in another: why did Trump suddenly need to announce his recognition right now? Is it just an accident or is there some kind of intent? Indeed, right after his statement, a wave of indignation swept through the Arab countries - was the intention to launch this wave?
        1. Neksel
          Neksel 30 December 2017 02: 08 New
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          Quote: flicker
          It’s all clear that in fact Jerusalem is the capital of Israel ... the question was and is in another: why did Trump suddenly need to announce his recognition right now?

          I think you dig too deep. Less conspiracy. He simply continues to fulfill his campaign promises.
  21. Mestny
    Mestny 27 December 2017 00: 07 New
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    Quote: alta
    Israel is not going to take permission from anyone where its capital should be ...., by the way, Russia did not ask anyone for permission to place the first battery of the latest supersonic coastal missile systems (DBK) in Kamchatka.

    Wow, how menacing. Feel free to.
    Something before Trump’s statement was silent in a rag, and then once - and immediately, "he doesn’t ask anyone.
    Did Russia ask the US for permission to place DBK? Did Trump claim permission?
  22. Zina389
    Zina389 27 December 2017 00: 40 New
    +2
    To the Palestinians, Jerusalem is not a hat for Delilah. Among the Arabs, they are the latest in line. It is precisely the conflict that gives them some significance. Abu Dis them right at the time. As for the embassies, their one time in Jerusalem was about 20. Gradually, under pressure from the "progressive public", they moved to Tel Aviv. And now they will gradually move back. Of course, this rather shows the vector of development of the situation, and does not bring any solutions.