In the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will keep the divisions and brigades

The structure of the Ground Forces (SV) of Russia in the future will keep both divisions and brigades, according to the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The preservation of brigades and divisions in the structure of the Ground Forces (SV) of Russia will ensure a balance of groups of troops capable of performing various tasks

- Commander-in-Chief of the Army Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov declared

It is noted that from 2012 to 2017, seven combined-arms divisions were formed. Compared with combined-arms brigades, they have increased strike force and fire power, and are capable of solving combat missions on a broader front.

In addition, the commanders in the divisions have experience in managing large tactical units, which are necessary for the subsequent transition to the leadership of operational groups of troops.

- Oleg Salyukov added.

At the same time, the combined-arms brigades continue to remain highly mobile and self-sufficient units.

Comments

[Sergey53]

This time zones can be changed here and canceled. And in the army They’ve already reduced it once. Well then, back to the old. Mind was enough to stop.

[cannabis]

Yes, not once. In the days of Frunze (20 years) the army wasn’t at all and Frunze was amazed how the bourgeoisie didn’t notice and attack! At the time of Khrushchev, "Twice in 200, a court of honor and a million two hundred." they cut the army by one and a half million, cut the atillery, cut the IL-28. During the time of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, 4 Group of Forces, a military formation were destroyed, and what can I say! But Serdyukov’s “reforms” are like this: “they put a mute swan in their pants.”

[Vadim237]

Ground forces 270000 people across Russia are critically few - a full-scale conflict with NATO in the context of the use of conventional weapons will not be pulled. And from a citizen of conscripts to enter the troops - cannon fodder, which within one week of intense fighting, will turn into mincemeat.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Vadim237

270000 ground forces people across Russia are critically few.

According to the laws of the military economy, a peacetime army should not exceed 1% of the population, i.e. no more than 1,5 million people .... otherwise the economy will collapse ...

[MOSKVITYANIN]

cannabis At the time of Khrushchev, "Twice in 200, a court of honor and a million two hundred." cut the army by one and a half million, cut the atillery, cut the IL-28

Did it right otherwise the Union would have collapsed before ... the threat of US bombing of the cities of the USSR passed and now reduced, why so many parasites?

[cannabis]

He’s generally well done! In each region, he came up with two regional party committees. He forbade the peasants to keep livestock, began to tax each fruit tree, and relocate the peasants to five-story buildings. He began to buy wheat in Canada, and in the north forced to grow corn. Well, he set the world on the brink of nuclear war. I remember how for two hours I stood in line for bread. It is generally typical for Soviet Russia to bring to power illiterate insignificants and traitors to the niteres of the people.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

cannabis He’s generally well done!

I did not say this, do not distort ...

[Wayfarer]

Quote: Sergey53

And in the army They’ve already reduced it once. Well then, back to the old. Mind was enough to stop.

Only all of these reforms in the army were quite specific people who were still in power and continue their course unchanged.

[Lexus]

Brigades - for limited operations in peacetime, divisions - to prevent the "partners" from a major war. Reasonable.

[cannabis]

Stalin only land (not including aviation and morphlot) had 300 divisions, and what saved him from the war? Did not save. To save the country you need a wise ruler.

[Doliva63]

Quote: cunning

Stalin only land (not including aviation and morphlot) had 300 divisions, and what saved him from the war? Did not save. To save the country you need a wise ruler.

Putin has not yet been attacked at 7 (!) Msd - this is a wise “ruler”!

[sivuch]

Here are just the OShs of these brigades of new and other forms scolded on what the light stands
http://russiainwar.forum24.ru/?1-15-0-00000015-00
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[Alexey-74]

More mobile brigades - for local conflicts, divisions - for full-scale hostilities

[cannabis]

And why is the brigade more mobile than the division ?. Only half as much. Both battalions - divisions fight in the division and brigade. So what's the difference?

[Doliva63]

The mobile divisions were the DSBR, which had their own helicopter regiments. And those who are on wheels and tracks are equally mobile. Another thing is that the brigade is more compact than a division for operations in isolation or in conditions of focal defense. But this is a matter of taste, as they say. Or hold 2-3 brigades, or one division to solve the same problems.

[cannabis]

At one time, the United States abandoned aero-mobile divisions. Too “easy” divisions are obtained.

[k_ply]

Rather, it’s expensive because of the massive use of helicopters, plus difficulties with maintenance and fuel and lubricants (“convoy” vehicles need to be covered with armored vehicles that are not available) and air defense (based on short-range MANPADS).
And indeed, 101th regiment now has only one AA brigade of approximately the same composition as in other divisions.

[Doliva63]

This is their internal affair - they want to create, they want to refuse What for us?

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Doliva63

keep 2-3 brigades, or one division to solve the same problems.

So can keep divisions consisting of brigades and separate brigades in secondary areas?

[Wayfarer]

Quote: cunning

So what's the difference?

You are a dense person, you do not understand elementary things that everyone understands. Where are you on our head such a white crow. All smart people tell you that brigades are more mobile, and it occurred to you to doubt the obvious.

[cannabis]

Apparently I misunderstood ...... it happens.

[Vadim237]

Given the critical shortage of heavy transport aircraft in the BTA, we can’t talk about any mobility of troops in the short term on an area of ​​17 million square kilometers.

[ramzes1776]

Quote: Alexey-74

More mobile brigades - for local conflicts, divisions - for full-scale hostilities

It’s on the Chinese border that the brigades stand for local conflicts One plus: the Chinese will be tortured to look for them, if that

[Herculesic]

And what in the spirit of the new trend did they come up with a different name, and the composition of the unit will become larger from this?

[mavrus]

Quote: cunning

Stalin only land (not including aviation and morphlot) had 300 divisions, and what saved him from the war? Did not save. To save the country you need a wise ruler.

Yes, a wiser ruler than Stalin ... Search and seek .... But all the same, war.

[cannabis]

I do not know what his wisdom is. I saw only one wise man - his regiment commander.

[Vadim237]

Really “wise” with his stupid organization of the stakes and teams - in the summer and fall of 41, our army lost millions of people killed, wounded, missing and captured “Tavarisch Stalin believes in a non-attack pact” thereby signed for the Red Army death sentence.

[Chaos]

Another couch commander. For your worthless information, the Germans knew everything about us before the attack. where what parts are, weapons, airfields, warehouses. Do you doubt the mind of German generals? Enough to dirty our history. Stalin saved the whole world from a larger war. Germans were close to creating a nuclear bomb. The victims were not in vain. They stopped the Germans and drove.

[NKT]

And who was Stalin's NGS? And who drew up and signed the directives?

[voyaka uh]

"" In addition, the command staff in the divisions gain experience
management of large tactical connections "///

The main thing is that thousands of state employees were employed: colonels, majors, etc. at headquarters
these "paper" divisions. Recruits for whom it is still not possible to collect (and train)
for objective reasons demographics.
A dozen of these trained and united teams (contract soldiers + reservists) would be more useful.

[Vadim237]

I’ll collect new recruits, everything is fine with demography - but it will take a long time to train, the army needs professionals, not cannon fodder.

[tolmachiev51]

What idiot had the idea of ​​forming our Armed Forces according to the Amer method !!! ??? Broke firewood. Now we return to the time-tested and Soviet formations.

[Vadim237]

The USSR had an army of guaranteed breakthrough - head-on, with huge losses in people and equipment in the procession. Therefore, the army was more than three million people, tens of thousands of tanks, artillery, thousands of planes and helicopters. Russia is moving away from this suicidal tactic.

[Chaos]

Go away from here. You don’t think a damn thing, write nonsense.

[Doliva63]

Give a link from the Battle Manual to this. I mean, if you are dumb in the matter, at least read books!

[k_ply]

The structure of the Ground Forces (SV) of Russia in the future will retain both divisions and brigades ...

Yes, it seems that no one in the World has tried to switch to separate BTGs, even Amer’s combat brigade groups are the same brigades as they are not called.

[Prutkov]

Small brigades for the scale of Russia. Yes, and the experience of the war in the Donbass showed that the BTG could not fight for a long time without full support. And the brigades could not provide combat operations for the BTG.

[Vadim237]

You know, given the state the Ukrainian army was in for 24 years, its defeat in the Donbass in 2014 is not surprising.

[cannabis]

Brigades are needed where battalions operate independently. For example, a pipeline brigade - each battalion draws its own thread of a gas pipeline. Or the Railway Brigade. One battalion is mining objects, the other is destroying the road (Have you seen such plows with which sleepers uproot?), The third at this time lays rails on a rocky road. And so on .... This is the team.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

In addition, the command staff in the divisions gain experience in managing large tactical formations

The key phrase of the article, I would add - as soon as it appears, I would introduce a new military rank as a brigadier general (or senior regiment, like the KPA), thereby increasing the importance of the commander of the main tactical formation of the SV RF ..., and the regiments of divisions in including and reorganize into Airborne Forces into brigades .... so that the divisions consist of brigades (British model) and can act both separately and as part of divisions ...
In addition, any division should be considered as an administrative unit, i.e. depending on the destination, to form it from various brigades of constant composition (for example, in the Caucasus MSD - will consist of 3 MSBr., and near Voronezh from 2 TBR and 1-2 MSBr.), but the composition and TBR., MSBr., VDBr ./DSSBr. should be the same, with the exception of compounds located on remote theater (Tajikistan, Armenia, ATS - according to the 1 MSBR.), where these connections can be strengthened by other units in peacetime ....

The preservation of brigades and divisions in the structure of the Ground Forces (SV) of Russia will ensure a balance of groups of troops capable of performing various tasks

This was understandable even before the construction of the “new appearance of the Armed Forces”, however, Serdyukov essentially carried out a hidden deployment of new formations, as many regiments separated from divisions and subsequently become separate brigades, as the division itself turned into a brigade, remained separate brigades, and the former division with the remaining regiments (and became a brigade) was again transformed into a division, but no longer combining with the parts that were previously part of it subsequently become a separate brigade .....
This is called hidden mobilization, a joke once made by the USSR in the period from 1939-1941.
Anyone who served under Serdyukov remembers that all existing TD / MSDs were converted into brigades differently, somewhere the division turned into two brigades, and somewhere in the 3-4 (42-I MSD, for example), after returning to the "source" of many divisions have different composition, the majority consist of regiments, and some of the brigades ("selection" continues?) ....

[cannabis]

In the Soviet army there was such a little book - Combat charter Division - Brigade-Polk. In this booklet, the main provisions and principles were described in the organization and conduct of hostilities. And it was clear to everyone that the regiment consisted of 7 battalions - divisions. A brigade is a regiment plus several battalions and divisions. The division is 6 regiments and several battalions-divisions. The difference between the American and Soviet divisions was that the division was based on battalions, as independent military units and being a lieutenant colonel in combat was more prestigious than serving as a lieutenant colonel in the army headquarters. Our confidence in the party spread only since the regiment commander and the battalion commanders were forced executors of orders. And the lieutenant colonel with daddy from the district headquarters imagined himself to be at least the Minister of Defense of Zanzibar. If there were 4 brigade headquarters in the Amer’s division, then the brigades were staffed, depending on the tasks, with a different number of battalions — divisions for the duration of the task. In our army, battalions - divisions were "serfs" among regiment commanders.

[cannabis]

Well done! Right! Let's brood as many generals as possible.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: cunning

Well done! Right! Let's brood as many generals as possible.

And while creating “boxes” of OA and TA consisting of brigades or divisions and reaching in their power at best up to AK times of the Union, you will not produce them ...?

[k_ply]

A division is an operational-tactical formation, and it will remain so if it is a 2-4 brigade squad or 4 regimental (SA). Even actions in a separate operational direction (for example, Kaliningrad Oblast, Tajikistan, etc.) of one or two separate combined-arms brigades of military units reinforced by units and subdivisions of the combat arms (PA, AA, engineer, air defense, military maintenance) will require the formation in the ground (ground ) component of a separate operational command of the divisional level, this is in addition to the combined operational (due to other types of aircraft) above it. At the same time, everything will depend on the scale of local databases, for example, in the Kaliningrad enclave there can be either a “Polish” or a “Lithuanian” direction, the same with Tajikistan. So there should be divisions and not only with the administrative powers of their commands and headquarters.

[cannabis]

A division is the pinnacle of tactical units - units - formations. The corps is an operational-tactical association. The army is an operational association. The division has not 4 regiments, but 6.

[k_ply]

Now it’s operational tactical., You are somewhere in the last century (RKKA, SA). It is clear that there are 4 "linear" regiments, without taking into account the parts of the combat and rear support.

[cannabis]

Is this an artillery regiment without accounting? Yes, this is the main firepower of the division! 4 linear regiments without artifacts are “whipping boys. Is this an anti-aircraft missile regiment of a“ mare that hasn’t taken a mare? ”I’m then in my own age, but I managed to re-magnetize you in the Amer manner. Name tag on the chest, American bandage on the sleeve, plaque on breasts, Negro jealousies on the parade ground yellow shoes. "rivets here, here and tama."

[k_ply]

Of course there are regimental artillery divisions, but only here are parts of the BO division since when, hell, the same artillery regiment ?! What a lot of self-hypnosis go to scandal wanted because of "self-control"?

[cannabis]

Whose text is it? "It is clear that there are 4" linear "regiments, without taking into account the parts of the combat and rear support." Who's screwed up here? And what is "self-hypnosis" leave to posterity. Have you ever read the Battle Manual? What about the staff service manual? Apparently not. Then we will say goodbye ......

[k_ply]

Then we will say goodbye .....

God, what a blessing!

[Doliva63]

Quote: cunning

In the Soviet army there was such a little book - Combat charter Division - Brigade-Polk. In this booklet, the main provisions and principles were described in the organization and conduct of hostilities. And it was clear to everyone that the regiment consisted of 7 battalions - divisions. A brigade is a regiment plus several battalions and divisions. The division is 6 regiments and several battalions-divisions. The difference between the American and Soviet divisions was that the division was based on battalions, as independent military units and being a lieutenant colonel in combat was more prestigious than serving as a lieutenant colonel in the army headquarters. Our confidence in the party spread only since the regiment commander and the battalion commanders were forced executors of orders. And the lieutenant colonel with daddy from the district headquarters imagined himself to be at least the Minister of Defense of Zanzibar. If there were 4 brigade headquarters in the Amer’s division, then the brigades were staffed, depending on the tasks, with a different number of battalions — divisions for the duration of the task. In our army, battalions - divisions were "serfs" among regiment commanders.

One day the colonel arrived, not even from the district, but from the General Staff, he wanted to straighten my tie, k.zel. I was an intelligence officer. He took out a gun and promised to shoot any hand with which he would try to do it. There was a screech, kapets! But did not dare Moreover, he didn’t tell anyone about it, he was shy, probably.
And when he served in battalion intelligence, the "serfs" were company MCPs, not battalions. The battalion commanders depended, of course, but less than the company battalions on them.
Later, in regimental intelligence, I watched the decision to march the regiment. One battalion flatly refused a decision. The regiment "ran over" him. The rest silently got up and went out. And kapets. The commander heard "offended", returned the rest, the decision was made, but the commander promised everyone it is clear what if .... It all ended in scandal, but the command decided that everything was right. The commander was quickly sent off somewhere to the top, and the battalion commander was appointed instead. It seemed to me that everything was right. And they listened to the smart ones, and they themselves "grazed" the situation - both the division and the army.
Although, for example, in Dauria it was different - the command of the 55th corps stupidly laid its tail on everything. The division commander assigned everything to the polkach. They did what they wanted. But this is the beginning of the 90s, the collapse of the sun.
And why 7 battalions / divisions? I only counted 6.