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Construction of the 11356 frigates stopped due to lack of engines

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Construction of the second three frigates of the 11356 project has been suspended pending engines, said the head of the Baltic Yantar Shipyard (PSZ), Edward Efimov.


At present, the Yantar contract with the Ministry of Defense continues to operate, however, the construction of the “admiral” series has been suspended pending Russian-made engines. Or some other customer decision
- he specified.

Construction of the 11356 frigates stopped due to lack of engines


Previously, due to problems with the propulsion systems produced in Ukraine, the construction of the second “troika” went on intermittently. There is still no complete clarity about their future. According to one version, they can be purchased by India, which will solve problems with propulsion systems.

Earlier, the first three frigates of Project 11356 were built at the Yantar Shipyard (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation). The Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Essen are already in the combat structure of the Black Sea fleet. They participated in Caliber-NK cruise missile attacks against the Islamic State (banned in the Russian Federation) in Syria. The day before, an act was signed on the transfer to the Navy of the third frigate of this project - Admiral Makarov.

The hulls of the second three frigates of the 11356 project are launched and are located on the PSZ. While it is assumed that two hulls can be completed for the Indian Navy, two more will be built in this country. The fate of the third corps from among those on the PSZ is still unknown, Interfax reports.

Earlier, the deputy commander-in-chief of the Navy for armaments, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk, reported on the fields of the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg about the decision to complete the construction of the second three frigates of the 11356 project - Admiral Istomin, Admiral Butakov and Admiral Kornilov - in the interests of the Russian Navy.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 26 December 2017 12: 45
    +9
    So what about Rybinsk GTE? So far, in spite of victorious reports?
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 26 December 2017 12: 48
      +9
      The problem of engines was known to all, not even experts, but simply interested people. Everyone hoped that the question would "resolve somehow". Not a ride
      1. seti
        seti 26 December 2017 12: 57
        +7
        Well, now the thunder has struck. Or baptized or go to bed in a coffin. We will wait for victorious reports from NPO Saturn.
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              2. serezhasoldatow
                serezhasoldatow 27 December 2017 18: 55
                +1
                You, please, do not be rude on the site, it does not roll.
      2. Chestnut
        Chestnut 26 December 2017 15: 39
        +6
        You know what is really scary. When you read this kind of a little surprised.
        Highly sophisticated and high-tech components are produced abroad in order to weaken the national security of the state, knock Russia down.
        We go to purchases from China, the sad end for the country.
        1. Dreamboat
          Dreamboat 27 December 2017 17: 45
          +1
          Don’t panic! America has been purchasing 2/3 of its components in China for a long time and does not end there, bastard ... angry
        2. Nick
          Nick 27 December 2017 23: 48
          0
          Quote: Chestnut
          We go to purchases from China, the sad end for the country.

          And where did you see the end of the country? Watch your best. wink
    2. DMoroz
      DMoroz 26 December 2017 12: 50
      +3
      Their only supposed to receive since 2018
      1. 210ox
        210ox 26 December 2017 12: 52
        +4
        Yes, there is a huge distance between desire and reality ..
        Quote: DMoroz
        Their only supposed to receive since 2018
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 26 December 2017 12: 56
          +6
          No one ordered the 11356 gas turbine. We have today five unfinished frigates
          at Yantar - Fog, Novik / Borodino, Butakov, Istomin and Kornilov. And the plant is already in the red:
          The net loss of the Baltic shipyard Yantar (PSZ Yantar, Kaliningrad, part of USC) for January-September of 2017 amounted to 520,4 million rubles. against profit following the results of the same period last year (871,48 thousand rubles), the company said. Revenue for the reporting period decreased by 33,2% and amounted to 5,5 billion rubles.

          portnews.ru/news/248693
          1. katana
            katana 26 December 2017 13: 13
            +3
            Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            No one ordered the 11356 gas turbine. We have today five unfinished frigates
            at Yantar - Fog, Novik / Borodino, Butakov, Istomin and Kornilov. And the plant is already in the red:
            The net loss of the Baltic shipyard Yantar (PSZ Yantar, Kaliningrad, part of USC) for January-September of 2017 amounted to 520,4 million rubles. against profit following the results of the same period last year (871,48 thousand rubles), the company said. Revenue for the reporting period decreased by 33,2% and amounted to 5,5 billion rubles.

            portnews.ru/news/248693

            And besides the military courts, is this Yantar shipyard building anything else?
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 26 December 2017 13: 20
              +1
              Quote: katana
              And besides the military courts, is this Yantar shipyard building anything else?


              Nothing ... no longer needed.

              http://www.shipyard-yantar.ru/grazhdanskoe-sudost
              roenie /
            2. Igor V
              Igor V 26 December 2017 13: 49
              +2
              Quote: katana


              And besides the military courts, is this Yantar shipyard building anything else?

              They built a BMRT for Kamchatka or something similar in a series of 3 pieces, the first one, it seems, has already been sent to the customer. Recently it was reported that a series of CPT levels was ordered for local fishermen, but these are trifles. Amber - it is essentially a military enterprise and the construction of civilian courts, in theory, is more expensive than a civilian enterprise.
    3. Andrey K
      Andrey K 26 December 2017 12: 50
      +7
      Quote: 210ox
      So what about Rybinsk GTE? So far, in spite of victorious reports?

      So far, only winning reports, and complaints about the lack of funds. Some industrialists lack the conscience and desire to work ... request
    4. katana
      katana 26 December 2017 12: 52
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      So what about Rybinsk GTE? So far, in spite of victorious reports?

      I am sure that the forum member under the nickname 210 okv - your country will win all, despite temporary difficulties! Keep it up and everything will be about kei!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 26 December 2017 13: 22
        +2
        Of course we will win!
        Quote: katana
        Quote: 210ox
        So what about Rybinsk GTE? So far, in spite of victorious reports?

        I am sure that the forum member under the nickname 210 okv - your country will win all, despite temporary difficulties! Keep it up and everything will be about kei!
      2. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 27 December 2017 18: 57
        +1
        What can I tell you, nonsense is easier to carry than a log.
    5. Burbon
      Burbon 26 December 2017 13: 07
      +6
      Quote: 210ox
      So what's up with Rybinsk GTE?

      only GTUs are used for the Gorshkov series, but for the Admiral no one was going to .... did you know? belay
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain 26 December 2017 13: 18
      12
      Quote: 210ox
      So what about Rybinsk GTE? So far, in spite of victorious reports?

      Dima, actually for this admiral series GTU were not supposed requestAnd so the foundry holds a new one, the old one does not cope with the increased nomenclature.
      Quote: Andrey K
      Some industrialists lack the conscience and desire to work ...

      Don’t need Andrey, we work in three shifts, and you won’t go on the weekend, you’ll get horseradish laughing
    7. alexmach
      alexmach 26 December 2017 13: 21
      +5
      They have priority for engines for 22350. According to 11356, as well as for engines for Brave and other Petrels, they wrote that there are estimates, but apparently there is no final solution.
    8. bagr69
      bagr69 28 December 2017 00: 02
      0
      In general, with the pomp presented Rybinsk GT actually General Electric. And since there is still much that is not being produced in Russia for full-fledged independent "import substitution" (first of all, "tricky" heat-resistant alloys and industrial control systems and instrumentation), they may simply not allow us to produce gas turbines for the needs of the Navy.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 28 December 2017 10: 31
        +2
        Quote: bagr69
        In general, with the pomp presented Rybinsk GT actually General Electric.

        Avona how belay belay belay Not a single General representative is at the factory, but General Electric is still good Bravo.
        1. bagr69
          bagr69 28 December 2017 12: 10
          0
          The physical presence of representatives in an enterprise is not an indicator at all. A very striking example is a joint venture of LMZ and Siemens. If necessary, deliveries and technical support are stopped and everything, and in a real conflict, potentially working machines can also be remotely stopped.
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 December 2017 12: 47
    +6
    Lived, lived and strengthened! fool ****, but thought as always the place on which you actually need to sit! Who prevented Russia from mastering the production of its diesel engines and turbines for the needs of the navy? Other than the mat, the five-story mat, there are no other thoughts! fool am fool am fool am
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 26 December 2017 13: 21
      +8
      It’s good that they work alone, but completely different on the forums.
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 26 December 2017 14: 19
        +1
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Other than the mat, the five-story mat, there are no other thoughts!

        Self-critical laughing
        I agree:
        It’s good that they work alone, but completely different on the forums.
    2. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 27 December 2017 18: 59
      0
      But you have a sea of ​​thoughts without a mat !!! Go ahead, put the flag in your hands. Or maybe better p ... here, easier.
    3. Nick
      Nick 27 December 2017 23: 54
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Lived, lived and strengthened!

      Listen, sir? Maybe you are releasing all the engines of the world in Iceland, but in Russia they are releasing what is needed. There will be engines for the admiral series, if there is a need. Do not spoil the air ...
  3. gig334
    gig334 26 December 2017 12: 55
    10
    You won’t cook with such porridges. If only to sell everything, their fleet is naked, and they want to sell the Hindus liberals damn liberals. With these liberals you cannot build the army that we had in the USSR. And in order to stop NATO and protect our interests on the world stage, we need a strong fleet, etc. So I will not vote for Putin, I will vote for Grudinin from the Communist Party. I think that the Communists will do things an order of magnitude faster, both with weapons and with improved life in the country.
    Catch the corrupt, you have them on top of a dime a dozen, in which apartments are crammed with money., Here you have the means to build new weapons. And do not sell anything.
    1. Nick
      Nick 27 December 2017 23: 56
      +1
      Quote: gig334
      Catch the corrupt, you have them on top of a dime a dozen, in which apartments are crammed with money., Here you have the means to build new weapons. And do not sell anything.

      Money is not the main thing. Technologies are needed and production facilities.
  4. Mole
    Mole 26 December 2017 12: 57
    +3
    All this has been known for a long time, but where is the news?
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 26 December 2017 13: 16
      +2
      The news is that the wall is no longer 3 frigates unfinished, but 5 and when the engines will make it is unknown.

      On the other hand, who does nothing, he is not mistaken, said Uncle Vitya and threw a stopar ...
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 26 December 2017 14: 36
        +2
        Why?

        In fact, only 2 frigates get in the way. The third was pushed through the plant and it does not interfere.

        Most likely they will squeeze the Hindus, or rather the Hindus at a discount, and two will leave for India and 2 will be built in India. Sections of the third or as kits for the head office in India will be sent or dismantled for metal.
      2. Mole
        Mole 26 December 2017 15: 57
        +1
        That such a situation would turn out was clear right away, I would be very surprised if it were otherwise.
  5. Moonsund
    Moonsund 26 December 2017 12: 58
    +3
    Since 2014, in the framework of import substitution, Saturn has been carrying out three development work on the M90FR, Aggregat-DKVP and M70FRU-R engines ... better, higher efficiency, advanced materials ... but it’s NOT HIM. 2 years have passed, and from the time when it was necessary to design it, and even more (((We patched what the fathers built on. Pi ... the pain is continuous. I don’t even want to mention the Chinese here.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 26 December 2017 13: 38
      +3
      Can you name what engines the Chinese are doing? They even order German engines for tanks, not like GTU for frigates.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 26 December 2017 14: 34
        +5
        They use their diesels (in a licensed production) for frigates.
        The destroyers use QC-280 afterburner turbines - kits for which Zorya produces. But there is a plan to localize this 80% turbine. They are already making a new one with the help of Dawns and defectors from GE.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 26 December 2017 14: 39
      +3
      Real work only on M90FR. At the same time, the first deliveries go to standard media (22350). According to 11356 - there is no solution. Options:
      - sell to India, but there are tough bids.
      - equip the energy unified with 22350. But this requires OCD and a large amount of alterations for the assembled ships.
      - write off, to Fog and Borodino.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 26 December 2017 22: 54
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        According to 11356 - there is no solution. Options:

        Damn it, a whole "romance with iron." And a bunch of different information, such as:
        . In August of this year, Igor Ponomarev, vice president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, officially confirmed that only one of the ships, the Admiral Butakov, would be completed for the Russian Navy, equipped with gas turbine engines of domestic production, and the other two, Admiral Istomin and Admiral Kornilov - exported to India ....
        Source: https://rueconomics.ru/298246-vtoraya-zhizn-burev
        estnika-ukraina-provalila-popytki-svernut-rossiis
        kie-fregaty # from_copy
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 26 December 2017 23: 00
          +2
          Well it even sounds silly.

          No one plans to build design gas turbine plants. This is the last generation and the only producer in the world of Zorya. With a scratch, they fixed their repairs on their own. And this is success - for the main documentation is in Dawn. On VO, even large material was laid out with details.

          That is a replacement.
          Any replacement is OCD. This is money. Moreover, the alteration of the living, but Butakov's scope of work on the living will be maximum and the most expensive as a result. Regardless of what the 4 M-90FR will do - with two upgraded marching or unification of energy with 22350.

          If we complete the design and development work, butakov’s work, then it will already make sense to complete Istomin, because the bulk of the money has already been spent.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 26 December 2017 23: 45
            +1
            Quote: donavi49
            If we complete the design and development work, butakov’s work, then it will already make sense to complete Istomin, because the bulk of the money has already been spent.

            Maybe selling two “beat off” the third? request
  6. Altona
    Altona 26 December 2017 13: 09
    +2
    Who spoke there in 2007? What do not we need modern industry, we will buy everything on the side? Where will we buy it and where is this side? And where is this shortsighted comrade with "state thinking"?
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 26 December 2017 13: 26
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      Who spoke there in 2007? What do not we need modern industry, we will buy everything on the side? Where will we buy it and where is this side? And where is this shortsighted comrade with "state thinking"?


      Let's still be honest and not pull the words out of context ...

      The Russian Ministry of Defense resorts to the purchase of weapons and military equipment of foreign manufacture in order to push Russian industry to create new designs defense products. This was in an interview with "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. In addition, he said, in this way the military department is trying to identify those industries in which Russian industry has fallen behind from global manufacturers.

      «We want to encourage industry to create modern weapons systems. This problem can be solved both through our own developments, and by creating cooperative relations with foreign companies. And this is a license purchase, organization joint production of weapons, equipment, components and individual units in our territory", - said Serdyukov.

      Serdyukov’s actions are absolutely correct.
      No one in the world will develop without competition.
      The human brain loves bamboleio every day.
      And only competition makes him move.
      Our military industrialists wanted to spit on the competition.
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 26 December 2017 13: 36
        +1
        Engines will do for years, until they put in sharashka.

        And this despite the fact that there actually is nothing to do with it for years.

        Could make a batch of the first stage for installation on the first three frigates, and then they would finish off the rest.
  7. alexmach
    alexmach 26 December 2017 13: 19
    +3
    As if this news seems to be not news long ago.
  8. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 26 December 2017 13: 57
    0
    It is simply vitally important for Russia to quickly master the production of engines for our Navy, otherwise this is how it happens .......
  9. pin_code
    pin_code 26 December 2017 14: 37
    0
    Quote: alexmach
    They have priority for engines for 22350. According to 11356, as well as for engines for Brave and other Petrels, they wrote that there are estimates, but apparently there is no final solution.

    there will be a gas turbine for 11356 (it is for 20386)
  10. aleks700
    aleks700 26 December 2017 16: 13
    +1
    And I in 2014 said that we need to take and Nikolaev and Kherson and Odessa. So there is no "Our Crimea". Yes, a little Crimea! Seven troubles one answer.
  11. NEXUS
    NEXUS 26 December 2017 17: 34
    +4
    These frigates were good for their time ... now, we need to concentrate on the construction of frigates of project 22350 (22356) ... of course, these frigates need to be completed, since we can have almost ready ships on the stocks from the stocks, and he has experience nothing good promises us.
  12. Overlock
    Overlock 26 December 2017 17: 35
    +1
    Quote: Chertt
    Everyone hoped that the question would "resolve somehow". Not a ride

    our "maybe". So they thought in relation to Ukraine, the Olympics did not work. As if football didn’t work either
  13. Alexander War
    Alexander War 26 December 2017 18: 14
    +1
    The first Russian turbines for new frigates will be commissioned in 2017 https://lenta.ru/news/2016/05/05/engines/
  14. Nemesis
    Nemesis 26 December 2017 18: 18
    0
    Only engines are needed for 11356 .... There is no sense in building a 22350 because there are no engines or air defense systems for them
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 26 December 2017 18: 35
      0
      Then we’ll already build frigates pr 22356, only engines are needed for them too! It’s stated that the main emphasis will be on frigates pr 22350 and later on pr 22350M
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 27 December 2017 00: 07
        0
        Apparently you mixed up 11356 with non-existent 22356 ... I wrote about it ... For it, only engines are needed, everything else works fine ...
    2. Alexander War
      Alexander War 26 December 2017 18: 38
      +1
      Here, too, it is not yet clear exactly when the engines for the project 22350 will be here. Or they will finish faster at Poliment Redoubt or engines.
  15. Overlock
    Overlock 26 December 2017 20: 34
    0
    Aleksey Rakhmanov, head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, said: “In 2018, we will begin to produce engines at our enterprise in the Yaroslavl region. To establish the necessary capacities there are all conditions. In the near future the fate of the fourth and fifth frigates of project 11356 will already be decided. ”
  16. huntsman650
    huntsman650 26 December 2017 23: 59
    0
    Woke up. Or from space?
  17. Lexus
    Lexus 27 December 2017 13: 54
    +1
    Inok10,
    Kindergarten, honestly. "Pouring boiling water in different directions," it is important not to splatter yourself (safety measures).
    They decided on that. In the next "debriefing", when the problems of gas turbine construction and military campaigns "at the pier" due to another breakdown will be discussed, I wish you did not have to make excuses. Otherwise