An unanswered offer for NATO

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On the eve of the 20 anniversary of the establishment of the CSTO, a meeting was held between the heads of the Ministries of Foreign Affairs of the countries participating in this association. The meeting was held in the Kazakh capital and was filled with talk far not only about the upcoming anniversary, but also that the CSTO had long outgrown, let's say, children's pants, and may well declare their interests in different regions of the world.

One of the key issues discussed in Astana is the question that the CSTO is ready to offer cooperation to the North Atlantic Alliance to solve a number of tasks: from eliminating the threat of drugs and working together on leveling the effects of man-made and natural disasters to countering terrorism. At a meeting with colleagues from other CSTO member countries (Armenia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan), the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry Sergey Lavrov expressed the view that the CSTO is ready to call on NATO to fully and productively cooperate in various areas.

The proposal to cooperate with NATO can certainly be viewed as an attempt to enter into a constructive dialogue with Brussels and Washington, but the reaction of the NATO Secretary General, Mr. Rasmussen, was far from the one that was obviously expected of him in Astana. Rasmussen said that he does not see the need for NATO to go for any joint activity with the CSTO, since the Alliance can cope with the threats identified by the CSTO members and without outside help. Apparently, Rasmussen believes that NATO “fights” excellently with Afghan drug trafficking, and terrorists anywhere in the world shudder and hide in the corners from just one mention of the word “NATO”.

Such a reaction of Brussels suggests that the West is not ready to view the CSTO as an organization capable of working with NATO on an equal footing. This once again confirms that NATO’s attitude to any Russian, even if obviously productive, initiatives that are offered in any format are obviously negative. How much Washington and Brussels would not say about readiness for a “reset” in relations with Russia, but in fact, any reset is doomed to turn into a pile of debris at the first stage of its implementation. Apparently, the stereotype about Russia, as the number one enemy, is a stereotype far from Mitt Romney alone, but of the whole “progressive West”. Rasmussen's words once again show that the West is not ready to get rid of the phobias of the Cold War and to perceive Russia and its allies as equal partners, cooperation with which can bring tangible benefits.

However, the response of Mr. Rasmussen is, as they say, his case, and he can reject the CSTO initiatives as much as he wants, but there is one nuance that Brussels and Washington will obviously not be able to dissociate from. According to the documents signed by the delegates of the participating countries (by the way signed by everyone except Uzbekistan), the CSTO is committed to working with the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping Operations. This suggests that the CSTO are going to conduct a certain kind of peacekeeping work, guided by their own principles. After all, today, it must be admitted, there is a hefty roll of the UN towards the interests of NATO. In essence, the UN itself began to be perceived by Washington and Brussels as a kind of tool for achieving its goals. And if the CSTO is really ready to implement its own initiatives through the United Nations, then this will be a sharp injection for NATO, who feels a de facto monopoly on world order.

But issues of cooperation with the UN concerning peacekeeping may raise a number of issues within the CSTO itself. And the main question is that if the CSTO enters the initiative of a global peacekeeping nature, then you should not expect the deployment of the Organization’s military contingents to the same Syria or Libya. It is obvious that the venture with the introduction of troops by the CSTO to any other country is doomed to a complete lack of support among the citizens of the participating countries. However, here we need to talk about the issue of terminology. The world has become accustomed to judging the words "peacemaking initiatives" solely through the prism of understanding this term by Washington and Brussels. Now even the phrase “peacekeeping operation” itself has become, almost, a synonym for the real war itself. These are the obvious fruits of NATO work "alone."

Speaking about the CSTO initiative, it is necessary to understand that at the meeting in Astana an idea emerged to restore the real effectiveness of peacekeeping missions with diplomatic tools. For this, it is not at all necessary to send a couple of tens of thousands of soldiers anywhere. After all, peacekeeping missions are much more effective if they are based on constructive diplomatic dialogue, and not on the use of Tomahawks. If we turn back today, we can realize the scale of all the "peacekeeping" missions of the West. Entering the NATO contingent in any region is a war already a priori. Therefore, the CSTO initiative looks like a real counterweight to the NATO understanding of restoring order in the world, which almost always turns into open military pressure on one of the parties to the conflict.

In this regard, we can assume that the CSTO chose a very thoughtful way of their future work. The proposal on mutually beneficial partnership rejected by Rasmussen will now be an excellent opportunity to demonstrate to the United Nations who really want to work for peace and stability, and who are looking for an excuse to sell the next billionth portion under peacekeeping weaponsstale in warehouses.
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  1. Sarus
    +11
    April 10 2012 08: 38
    Yes, when our leadership already understands that we need NATO as much as a stop signal for the hare .. The Eurasian Union has all the conditions to live in a closed ...
    There is where to grow food. There are markets. And most importantly, there is an argument for an independent policy and independent decisions.
    But Syud all over it is now more profitable to ask for allies than to be an alternative force in the world :(
    1. Ty3uk
      +5
      April 10 2012 10: 37
      Quote: Sarus
      But Syud all over it is now more profitable to ask for allies than to be an alternative force in the world :(

      You're not right. Afghan drug trafficking - already for the sake of this topic makes sense in "establishing cooperation". It is necessary to press them on this issue from all possible sides, incl. through the CSTO.
    2. +13
      April 10 2012 10: 38
      The Eurasian Union has all the conditions to live closed ...


      And we don't need to live "closed"! The whole world is with us, and BRICS is just the beginning. Better to "close" the one who constantly sets this world on fire. Our stupid habit is to constantly "offer" something and make friends with those whose contracts, as Bismarck said, "are not worth the paper on which they are written."
      1. admiral
        +11
        April 10 2012 11: 02
        It’s not necessary to fight drugs, but to fight! And this means the destruction of all those involved, regardless of their country of residence. Why let missiles with Chinese markings not bring down a couple of American aircraft, naturally on behalf of the Taliban! And listen to how this American prostitute speaks funny? ..
    3. sergskak
      +4
      April 10 2012 11: 17
      The more initiatives on the part of Russia or the same CSTO, the less willingness NATO has to cooperate. But does it need cooperation? It's time to end conversations with them and convince us that the Cold War is over. Our silence will cause them a much greater desire to scratch their turnips and think about it. If they cope with everything then the flag is in hand. We will also cope with what we need, only in our own way!
      1. 755962
        +3
        April 10 2012 11: 48
        Quote: sergskak
        the less willingness NATO has to cooperate

        NATO wants to cooperate, but difficulties in this are associated with the position of the Alliance, which considers it more efficient to develop cooperation on a bilateral basis - with each of the seven CSTO member countries individually. That’s the catch ...
        1. sergskak
          +6
          April 10 2012 12: 27
          755962, Therefore, if the CSTO considers itself a serious organization, first of all, a solid foundation is needed in the form of a treaty under which no single country can cooperate with NATO in any way, whether it be joint exercises or the provision of intelligence. Cancel all treaties with NATO that are not relevant these requirements.
          1. 755962
            +1
            April 10 2012 15: 41
            Quote: sergskak
            treaty under which no single country can cooperate with NATO in any way

            And then it will turn out like in Krylov's fable: "Once a Swan, Cancer, and a Pike
            They took a load of luggage .. "Only
            Quote: sergskak
            solid foundation in the form of a contract

            We understood each other drinks
            1. sergskak
              +1
              April 10 2012 19: 06
              755962Well when thoughts converge! drinks
        2. 0
          April 10 2012 20: 30
          bilateral cooperation - with each of the seven CSTO member countries individually


          In other words, "divide and conquer", which is as old as the world itself. And there is no smell of "cooperation" here - rather, "a secret war."
    4. drossel81
      -2
      April 10 2012 11: 41
      It’s a pity there is no Hitler, so you would explain it to him, if you look everything would have turned out differently ...
      1. Neighbor
        -2
        April 10 2012 15: 41
        There was no reboot - there was not, and never will be!
        NATO - does not need cooperation with the CSTO! We found something to surprise - yes, we (in particular Russia) - like a bone in the throat! They sleep and see how to destroy us.
        For if there hadn’t been Russia - Ameriko.sosy - long ago they would have become sovereign rulers of the whole world, on whom the rest of the world would plow day and night. They would do the same thing - what Hitler wanted to do - they would take over the whole world - only they Hitler - Yes, they had already surpassed their cruelty and cynicism.
        And they would not be afraid of any crises! Indeed, the Quote is unfair that one country (Russia) owns 70% of the world's resources - if only it would be another country! wassat (America) - then it would be fair! belay
        And the rest of the NATO Members are like that, the dogs at the owner’s feet are Amerov.
  2. +9
    April 10 2012 08: 39
    It makes no sense to offer assistance to NATO, they will not ruin their affairs even though they are doing the same thing on drugs ?! But in any case, I am glad that the OKKB is growing stronger, so to speak, to evil enemies! smile
    1. +9
      April 10 2012 08: 56
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      It makes no sense to offer help to NATO,

      Maxim, these CSTO initiatives addressed to NATO are indeed doomed to failure in advance, and Alexei clearly noted this --------- This once again confirms that NATO's attitude to any Russian, even obviously productive, initiatives that are offered in any format are obviously negative. -------- Here, in these initiatives and the ways of their implementation by Russia, I see, to a greater extent, an aspect of the ideological impact on world public opinion, such as - "We are making the most active efforts to establish a productive dialogue, but not finding mutual understanding in NATO, we are not weakening these efforts, and if the situation reaches an undesirable turn for all, then this is not our "merit!" All questions to NAT!

      To avoid copyright infringement, post a hyperlink to the original article: http://topwar.ru/13278-bezotvetnoe-predlozhenie-dlya-nato.html
  3. +5
    April 10 2012 08: 39
    The enemy needs to be beaten with his own weapon ... As partisans at one time .. NATO will be quite difficult to answer the questions of the CSTO ... in the same UN ...
  4. F751
    +3
    April 10 2012 08: 41
    ** ..... CSTO is determined to work with the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping Operations ** NATO, to put it mildly, will be in shock. If only we would not limit ourselves to words. Article plus, definitely.
  5. +3
    April 10 2012 08: 44
    The proposal for mutually beneficial partnership, rejected by Rasmussen, will now be an excellent occasion to demonstrate at the same United Nations who really wants what is called to work for peace and stability, and who are looking for an excuse to sell the next billionth portion of weapons that are lying on warehouses.
    -a sense to prove something to a UN puppet .. ??? ..
    The CSTO will still have to "coarse" in its capabilities: to create its own collective forces (albeit attaching them to the UN peacekeepers) and a single economic and political vector.
    Otherwise, no one will listen.
    1. +10
      April 10 2012 09: 13
      Quote: Yves762
      Otherwise, no one will listen.


      From our proposals, the Anglo-Saxon snobs will always turn their nose up like a barrel of dung, such is their mentality based on historical hatred of the Russian people and state. Let us sniff nothing, and we will stir with a "stick" for completeness of sensations. We will not lose anything, but let them strain themselves looking for reasons, reasons for their refusals, Let their whole godly essence come out.
      1. +6
        April 10 2012 10: 16
        The reaction from NATO is natural. They do not see an equal in the CSTO. Not yet. This means that it is necessary to build up economic and, most importantly, military power to such a level that they simply cannot ignore the new realities. Fortunately, the leader of the CSTO Russia now has all the prerequisites for a real growth in both economic and military might. The Anglo-Saxons have always understood well only the language of force, and it is from such a position that a dialogue should be conducted with them. They will immediately "hear" a strong Russia!
        1. admiral
          +4
          April 10 2012 11: 05
          Норд,
          Quote: Nord
          Fortunately, the leader of the CSTO of Russia now has all the prerequisites for real growth in power, both economic and military.

          There are prerequisites, but is there time ??? That is the question!
      2. +5
        April 10 2012 11: 54
        Quote: Ascetic
        From our proposals, Anglo-Saxon snobs will always turn up their nose like a barrel of manure,

        Stanislav, welcome again. This line reminded me of many of the comments on the Polish forum. So - among many Polish Russophobes, one of the biggest "cultural and historical" shortcomings of Russians (both dirty and smelly) is that "even in the nineteenth century, not knowing that manure helps to increase yields, these pigs (Russians) thrown away! " Can you imagine, colleagues, how low we have fallen in the eyes of the Panov and the lady, that this "universal sin" is charged to us along with Katyn? It's a shame, I can't ... feel
  6. JoylyRoger
    +4
    April 10 2012 09: 08
    Organized, increased drug trafficking, and then you understand, they offer to eliminate it. Fuck you, we'll "fight" ourselves smile ,
    Like this



    An unanswered offer for NATO

    In my opinion the answer is clear - go through the forest
  7. +4
    April 10 2012 09: 16
    Well, what NATA would say "not NATA" - one could guess laughing
    And what do we need from that NATA? Well, what can she give us that which we ourselves do not have? what
  8. +2
    April 10 2012 09: 25
    The CSTO's proposal to NATO for cooperation is nothing more than a diplomatic curtsy. The CSTO intends to be an active independent force in the world arena. In order to protect oneself in the future from accusations of deliberate start of confrontation and the beginning of implementation of plans to counter the "civilized society", the first step is to offer cooperation. Would you like to? Well, it didn't hurt that I wanted to. And then we do what we see fit.
  9. +2
    April 10 2012 09: 36
    In my opinion, everything is correctly stated in the article. Now let the UN answer our questions that are inconvenient for them. What kind of goal are you pursuing by refusing our help ?! Now they’ll be spinning like a frying pan! am
    Maybe we can handle the drug traffic ourselves!
  10. Artur09-75
    +2
    April 10 2012 10: 19
    Tired of running around for NATO. As comrades pointed out in their comments, NATO will turn up its nose on any proposals. Diplomats need to create conditions so that NATO runs after us, and we decide whether to cooperate with them or not. To the author of the next + per article.
  11. vostok
    +1
    April 10 2012 10: 19
    The CSTO itself needs to be reformed, the meaning of the organization’s existence is not clear, Karabakh’s status is not defined in Armenia, two revolutions have taken place in Kyrgyzstan, NATO base is also located there, Islamist gangs feel free in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, drugs go all over Central Asia and Russia and the Collective Security Treaty Organization is drawn by conducting ostentatious exercises. In fact, the CSTO is not doing anything and will not protect anyone in the event of a threat.
  12. +6
    April 10 2012 10: 21
    Drug dealers are the usa and nato! I do not think that they will fight with themselves. You need to destroy poppy crops yourself-bomb, poison the fields and do not care what the NATO drug lords say
    1. -5
      April 10 2012 12: 29
      po svoemu vozrastu xoroshe pomnu i 70 i 80 godi, i chto togd narkotu nam usa and nato postovlyalo? davayte budem obektivnimi, u etix tvarey- drug lords
      net nationalnostey,
      1. Reva3113
        -10
        April 10 2012 13: 24
        xa xa xa smi6no 4itat narkatu US postavljala ti xot dumai 4o pi6e6, s avganistana narkata shla v rasiu vmesta gruza 200, v nekotarix slu4ajax naverna amerikosiiii i diavi iavi iavi iavi yiom daiaviivaliom
        1. -4
          April 10 2012 13: 37
          Reva3113 (3) esli ti mne eto otvechaesh, to ya i ne pishu chto nam shtati narkotu postavlyali, svou domorowennie bili, a voter Afgana eto tochno, pomnu pervie dembelya prishli polovina uje na narko side do do
        2. +2
          April 10 2012 16: 37
          have: Reva3113

          Under the USSR, if that went so in such scanty amounts that one could not talk about it, the Chuy grass was probably enough ...
          Prior to the American invasion, the Taliban government, together with the UN, successfully implemented a drug destruction program during 2000-2001. As a result, opium production was reduced by 94% and dropped to 185 tons.
          In the US military presence, a rapid increase in drug production began in October 2001.
          According to the UN, from 2001 to 2006, that is, over five years, this growth amounted to 3200%! UN report.

          The dynamics of drug production in Afghanistan
          Year Area, ha Volume, tons
          (1997) 58000 2804
          (1998) 64000 2693
          (1999) 91000 4565
          (2000) 82000 3276
          (2001) 8000 185
          (2002) 74000 3400
          (2003) 80000 3600
          (2004) 131000 4200
          (2005) 104000 4100
          (2006) 165000 6100
          (2007) 193000 8200
  13. markus112
    0
    April 10 2012 10: 22
    interesting i would say
  14. markus112
    +1
    April 10 2012 10: 53
    well said
  15. +3
    April 10 2012 11: 57
    It is no longer news for anyone that the MP (international law) is in fact "deciphered" as ME ON (3 known letters). MP, namely the MPP (international public law), functions reasonably well only in those areas that do not affect geopolitical and economic interests. There is also nothing new to say about the UN - the UN is like a rod, where NATO will turn, and went there.
    I agree with Iv762 - the CSTO needs not only to create a joint force, but also, by analogy with NATO, to show initiative in peacekeeping operations, especially in those points where US interests are the highest. The presence of the CSTO of its own, well-equipped and trained forces, together with active participation in regional conflicts, may lead to the NATO bloc emerging "separatist" sentiments or unwillingness to promote "peace and democracy." This is understandable, the interests of the US and the EU do not always coincide. The main thing is that the CSTO does not step on the NATO rake
  16. sahha
    +5
    April 10 2012 14: 27
    Not in the subject of course, but even so: Americans are bad people, have rounded up the Indians, and even called their missiles tomahawks.
    1. +1
      April 10 2012 20: 59
      And also helicopters feel
      Iroquois, Apache, Chinook .... Comanche ... wink
  17. M_I_T_YA_89
    +3
    April 10 2012 14: 51
    NATO is effectively fighting drug trafficking ...
    After the start of the occupation of Afghanistan, heroin production increased 50 times.
  18. Odinplys
    +1
    April 10 2012 15: 06
    Quote: M_I_T_Y_89
    NATO is effectively fighting drug trafficking ...
    After the start of the occupation of Afghanistan, heroin production increased 50 times.


    So it’s clear ... they protect soy plantations there ...
  19. andrklimanov
    +1
    April 10 2012 22: 13
    Quote: Sarus
    Obviously, the idea of ​​troops being sent from the CSTO to any other country is doomed to a complete lack of support among citizens of the participating countries.

    why? this is a good test for a contract army, screening out "real servicemen" from those who serve "only for money and only in peacetime" + practice + the authority of the state (you need to make them understand that we do not bastard soup either)
    I AM FOR

    And as for the UN, it's time to send this organization to the "junk"! all its decisions are decisions of NATO and the US Department of State
    ON COSTER laughing
  20. Tsar Ivan the First
    +1
    April 10 2012 23: 45
    we don’t need either Washington or Brussels ourselves, with the CSTO, with the BRICS, with the SCO, and even more so with the Eurasian Union, we can and will, we think, put them in the wheel, so that they know that their gigemony has passed and the world will not be what it is we remember him. But the UN must be liquidated, or heavily restructured. NATO is losing ground, since the war is not for you to spend two rubles, but they have the crisis. tongue here is one of the conclusions
  21. 0
    April 11 2012 11: 10
    By the way, here's another thing I remembered ... besides NATO, the Yankees once did SEATO ... winked
    Toka, where is it? laughing

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