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Mass media: American companies buy aircraft manufactured in Russia and the USSR

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Several US companies acquire military aircraft of Russian or Soviet origin, in particular, in Ukraine and provide them for training, including the US military. This is stated in an article published on Sunday in the magazine The National Interest.


The list of companies that can provide such services, as noted in the material, includes Air USA, Tactical Air Support, Draken International and Pride Aircraft. The first, according to the information on its official website, has two MiG-29 fighters. On the company's website it is reported that both cars are made in the Soviet Union and "imported from the former Soviet republic."

Mass media: American companies buy aircraft manufactured in Russia and the USSR


The Draken International page states that it has at its disposal MiG-21 fighter jets. The site Pride Aircraft reported that she recently acquired in Ukraine combat aircraft Su-27. It also explains that they have already been sold, to whom it is not specified.

The National Interest has noted that the Su-27 fighter was seen while simulating an air battle with an F-16 aircraft near the Nellis airbase in the US state of Nevada, perhaps this is one of the cars purchased in Ukraine. In September, the object had a plane crash that killed Lieutenant Colonel Eric Schulz. The American publication Aviation Week later reported that during the maneuvers Schultz could control foreign-made aircraft, he allegedly served in a unit specializing in the use of production fighters of the USSR and the Russian Federation, including the Su-27 and MiG-29, in order to assess their fighting qualities . Representatives of the base did not confirm this information to TASS.

The article cites the words of the American pilot Jerry Gallop, who, according to The National Interest, in the past traveled to Ukraine and participated in a deal to acquire two Su-27 aircraft. He highly appreciated the flight qualities of the fighter, in particular, its ability to quickly pick up speed. The publication notes that the aircraft were tested in the United States without weapons. The material also states that the maintenance of aircraft manufactured in Russia and the USSR, most likely, is very expensive in the United States. It is stated that this can be a profitable business if the US Air Force is willing to pay for the opportunity to use these planes in training, reports TASS
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  1. Shura Perm
    Shura Perm 25 December 2017 13: 34
    +2
    In general, it’s normal practice, there’s nothing outstanding about that ... ours, at one time, our Christie tank was taken out under the guise of a tractor
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 December 2017 13: 43
      +3
      [b] [quote] [quote] Media: American companies buy aircraft manufactured in the Russian Federation and the USSR [/ quote] and how many have "foreign cars"? probably less than in personal use. and it wouldn’t be harmful to know the technical characteristics and electronic characteristics of foreigners ... and your equipment, to build them up with the prospect of development.
      1. Sergey53
        Sergey53 26 December 2017 05: 25
        +2
        It can also be used in Syria in raids on cities and make noise that Russia is doing it. How is this version ?.
    2. Monos
      Monos 25 December 2017 13: 44
      +6
      Quote: Shura Perm
      In general, it’s normal practice, there’s nothing outstanding about that ... ours, at one time, our Christie tank was taken out under the guise of a tractor

      For those who buy - normal. For those who sell ... It will be more difficult for them to then confront the same F-16. Yes, and to break through the defense of air defense, equipped with American air defense systems, too.
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 25 December 2017 13: 51
        +6
        Victor, good day! hi
        Quote: Monos
        For those who sell ...

        Those who sell do not think about anything but money.
        1. Monos
          Monos 25 December 2017 14: 03
          +4
          Hello Max! hi
          Quote: Jedi
          Those who sell do not think about anything but money.

          Another question: "What are they thinking?". I suspect - the rectum.
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 25 December 2017 14: 08
            +5
            Worse, Vitya: with her exhaust pipe. How did K. Marx write in his work about what some are capable of for the sake of 400% profit? wink I’m not saying that I quoted exactly, but the essence is clear. yes
    3. figwam
      figwam 25 December 2017 13: 46
      +3
      SU-27 have been used for training for a long time, no brothers are on the alert.
      1. Ushly_bashkort
        Ushly_bashkort 25 December 2017 14: 50
        +2
        These are ready to sell the last, if only to fill our pockets and make us salt. When with the last cut, they will remain on the whole army and then try to draw it in.
    4. Dimontius
      Dimontius 25 December 2017 14: 54
      +3
      don't we have a single f-16? their darkness in the world! it would be necessary to test them too
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 25 December 2017 13: 39
    +2
    We would also need to acquire their aircraft for study! Everything should be relative in the world!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 December 2017 13: 47
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      We would also need to acquire their aircraft for study! Everything should be relative in the world!

      know that, in the "Voentorg" no ... the demand is small ...
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 December 2017 13: 47
      +4
      Quote: Herkulesich
      We would also need to acquire their aircraft for study! Everything should be relative in the world!

      Meaning? To buy old unmarried fighters, which in their performance characteristics are much inferior to their modernized brothers, who are in the arsenal of the NATO bloc? And what to do with them?
      Another question is if we could get the latest version of, say, F-15 or F-35, and preferably F-22. That's then it makes sense.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 25 December 2017 13: 52
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        And what to do with them?

        Yes, at least "verify" the radars .. and conduct training battles, or is it not worth it?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 25 December 2017 13: 54
          +4
          Quote: Dead Day
          Yes, at least "verify" the radars .. and conduct training battles, or is it not worth it?

          Do you think that the obsolete F-15/16 are equipped with modern radars or an arsenal?
          1. katana
            katana 25 December 2017 14: 00
            +6
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: Dead Day
            Yes, at least "verify" the radars .. and conduct training battles, or is it not worth it?

            Do you think that the obsolete F-15/16 are equipped with modern radars or an arsenal?

            Well, just recently there was infa that Su-35 drove away the Amer F-22 in the sky of Syria. They could go for a little hassle and check in practice what the vaunted F-22 is worth. The Soviet Union did so, but did not express concern.
            1. Cxnumx
              Cxnumx 26 December 2017 06: 28
              0
              Quote: katana
              Could go for a little hassle and check in practice what the vaunted F-22 is worth. The Soviet Union did so, but did not express concern.

              I was directly interested in what you mean by "a little hassle"?))
  3. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 25 December 2017 13: 41
    +3
    The information is old and well-worn of course ..... but it is necessary to draw conclusions, our MO note ... well, of course, ours would also do well to practice the technique of the "probable enemy", it’s interesting there’s no one a couple of F-15, F- lying around 16, well, from the F-22 will not give up ....
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 December 2017 13: 48
      +1
      Quote: Alexey-74
      The information is old and well-worn of course ..... but it is necessary to draw conclusions, our MO note ... well, of course, ours would also do well to practice the technique of the "probable enemy", it’s interesting there’s no one a couple of F-15, F- lying around 16, well, from the F-22 will not give up ....

      only with whom? who sell-betray NATO and the United States! which means tomorrow is democracy with bombing and all sorts of other goodies ...
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 25 December 2017 14: 58
        0
        Only Iran. He has Phantom, Tomketiki, F-5 - who still sold the Shah.
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 25 December 2017 13: 43
    +5
    Everything would have looked logical, if not for one small nuance. Those fighters that are in Ukraine have not been modernized for a very long time and now, it’s ridiculous to say that these machines are at least close to Russian modernized dryers and in their performance characteristics. And if we take into account that our VKS are transplanted to the SU-30s, 34th, 35th, then all these trainings against the outdated Ukrainian SU-27 and MIG-29 look quite comical. And on the approach is also the SU-57 with the MIG-35.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 December 2017 13: 54
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      Everything would have looked logical, if not for one small nuance.

      do not tell with a “small nuance” ... A signature is such a “trace” (conditionally, of course) that characterizes some object. Signatures can be unique, and objects associated with them are not necessarily tangible: for example, the term “signature” is used for computer viruses.

      In radar, a signature can be called a certain set of characteristics of the signal reflected by the target received by the radar. Interestingly, the parameters of this signature are very useful, as they give developers a tool to recognize targets. And in this the work of the radar software is somewhat reminiscent of the work of antivirus scanners. True, the task with the radar is somewhat more complicated.

      It is clear that recognition of target types is a very important functionality. Say, in the simplest case, a radar observing a target by receiving reflected signals shows this target to the operator (or, say, a fighter pilot) in the form of a certain mark on the screen. The mark itself does not mean anything, which is not good.

      In principle, the first step towards improving the information flow will be adding to the mark information about the course, speed and range (this information is readily provided by the radar). The recognition system "friend or foe" will add to the mark "touches" of nationality of the target (also important, right?).

      But this is not enough. I would like to see which model of the fighter is hiding behind the enemy mark. Here, “signature analysis" may come in handy. It turns out that the signal reflected by one or another fighter acquires some “internal” structure, which has quite unique features. This is due to the fact that different aggregates and surfaces of the irradiated target contribute to the formation of the reflected signal, and a different configuration of these surfaces / aggregates will give a different signal. Moreover, for airplanes of the same type, the signals will be similar, since the shape and structure of these airplanes practically coincide in basic features. True, there is a big problem: when observing from different angles, the signature will change in the most striking way.

      Therefore, very valuable information can be collected if you observe the flights of fighters of the “likely enemy” from different angles, using a good radar. For example, observing the exercises or the movement of an aircraft carrier group in the neutral waters of the World Ocean.

      The collected signatures are stored in a special database (almost like with anti-virus scanners), which is later included in the radar software. Subsequently, the radar can tell the type and model of the target, referring to the database. I ask forgiveness, there is no link, look-lazy, do not like it, delete it.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 December 2017 13: 59
        +4
        Quote: Dead Day
        But this is not enough. I would like to see which model of the fighter is hiding behind the enemy mark. Here, “signature analysis" may come in handy.

        Do you think that the signature of the latest modifications of the F-16, F-15 and even F-22 was not “copied” by our airborne forces and air defense, given the frequent meetings of our pilots with Turks, Israelis and mattresses?
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 25 December 2017 14: 24
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Dead Day
          But this is not enough. I would like to see which model of the fighter is hiding behind the enemy mark. Here, “signature analysis" may come in handy.

          Do you think that the signature of the latest modifications of the F-16, F-15 and even F-22 was not “copied” by our airborne forces and air defense, given the frequent meetings of our pilots with Turks, Israelis and mattresses?

          So, the EPR has not changed much, and the behavior of the aircraft in battle, for sure ... but would you like to see the Target in real life? not worth it?
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 December 2017 13: 58
      +3
      To be in "sports form", they would need to buy a Su-30.
      And then Red Flag is good, but it’s also good for American pilots
      hold the helm.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 25 December 2017 14: 27
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        in order to be in "sports form", they would need to buy a Su-30.

        35th, anyway ... like it is in American ....: "kick the ass" ..! - here! tongue
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 December 2017 15: 22
          +1
          Under some conditions, yes, under others, no.
          But to verify this, they need the Su-30/35.
  5. Rusland
    Rusland 25 December 2017 13: 56
    +8
    Got ears from a dead donkey. Now, if they drove our planes in all modes for sparring, just like our pilots fly, then there would be no sense, and it’s scary to sit on this junk and it is doubtful whether to survive from these planes.
  6. Shuttle
    Shuttle 25 December 2017 13: 59
    +1
    I'm curious, and ours already have F-16 at least? Not for all sorts of indecent, but for the museum ... there was a lot of it. :)
  7. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 25 December 2017 14: 14
    0
    I train my dogs, with ***** we are children ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 December 2017 14: 28
      +1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      I train my dogs, with ***** we are children ...

      Cavo coaching ... ??? belay
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 December 2017 15: 25
        +1
        Hounds And the dogs are the children of ss_u_ki. What is incomprehensible? fellow
  8. Unbearable
    Unbearable 25 December 2017 14: 14
    +1
    If suddenly a technological leap occurs in Russia, then nothing will remain of the development of Soviet aircraft construction. All the same, you need to step over the 5th generation, immediately to the sixth. Only decent financing and advanced staff are needed ...
  9. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 25 December 2017 14: 21
    +3
    Quote: katana
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Dead Day
    Yes, at least "verify" the radars .. and conduct training battles, or is it not worth it?

    Do you think that the obsolete F-15/16 are equipped with modern radars or an arsenal?

    Well, just recently there was infa that Su-35 drove away the Amer F-22 in the sky of Syria. They could go for a little hassle and check in practice what the vaunted F-22 is worth. The Soviet Union did so, but did not express concern.

    This was done in the sky of Syria. The Su-35 tested its capabilities on a real adversary with modern technology. The F-22 proved its capabilities on a modern Russian fighter. Judging by the results, they were unexpected and not pleasant for the American. He didn’t see him once , while the Su-35 perfectly identified him and fell into his tail. Here the moral, psychological factor is more influential. Look, we’re working out your destruction on your equipment. PR, and they won’t take away the propaganda of our superiority. Before the first battle of course .......!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 December 2017 14: 31
      +2
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      .Raz he did not see him, while the Su-35 perfectly identified him, and came into his tail. Here the moral, psychological factor is more influential.

      Ours is of course "conceived", but it "collapsed" from a great height, where it was "overslept" by the ground Americans, where it should not have been (they thought so ... stealth damn ...) and of course well done commanders , learned from the Turks-covered.
    2. misti1973
      misti1973 25 December 2017 20: 43
      +1
      You are in psychology profane, excuse me! They are sure of their own rightness, their country gives them everything. Therefore, all the bazaars that they were afraid only of your fantasies. The raptor drove off the attack aircraft, and this our cover overslept it, since it not only flew so close, but also rushed with magnesium traps! It really makes it difficult for the attack aircraft to work if they use missiles with infrared detectors. This is what the situation looks like if you don’t consider it through the ass.
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 25 December 2017 14: 34
    +4
    They buy it not only for study, but also for provocation ... sometimes it appears in messages that unknown planes did nasty things ... and poke towards Russia.
    1. misti1973
      misti1973 25 December 2017 20: 36
      0
      Yes, where do you read such a "bastard"? In the Russian media? So they will write to you tomorrow that the mattress has conspired with aliens to attack Russia :) And the unknown is written together in this case. Russian, and you don’t know Russian.
  11. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 25 December 2017 20: 25
    +1
    Why in Russia they do not resort to such a practice, we know almost nothing about the flight qualities of NATO aircraft in a real training battle under our own supervision
    1. misti1973
      misti1973 25 December 2017 20: 32
      +2
      And they don’t sell their cars to anyone :)
  12. misti1973
    misti1973 25 December 2017 20: 31
    +1
    This "news" already hell knows how many years!
  13. Nemesis
    Nemesis 25 December 2017 21: 00
    +1
    It’s time for the RF Government to begin to look soberly at the Russophobia-affected countries of the former scoop and stop providing them with material and military assistance of any kind
  14. SERVER
    SERVER 25 December 2017 21: 00
    +1
    maybe Schulz died because of what, because of what Kharchevsky and his comrade in 1992, on the way from Langley, the engines of the 27th refused ...
  15. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 26 December 2017 20: 47
    0
    Quote: Dead Day
    and how many ours have "foreign cars"?

    200 Bentley was brought in last year ... I believe that our valiant VKS are trained to destroy jihad mobiles precisely on them.
  16. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 26 December 2017 20: 53
    0
    Quote: UNBEATABLE
    suddenly in Russia happen ... leap

    And the Russian government in its entirety, with the main and effective managers at the head, as fleas will accelerate beyond the borders of long-suffering Russia.