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Siemens could not achieve recognition of the transaction for the turbines invalid

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The Moscow Arbitration Court did not find arguments to declare the deal on the supply of Siemens turbines to the Rostec subsidiary Rostec-Technopromexport company invalid, transmits RIA News.




In violation of the provisions of Article 65 of the Arbitration Procedure Code of the Russian Federation, the plaintiffs in the original lawsuit did not prove that the plaintiff-2 (STGT Siemens plant, which manufactured the turbines) had a wrong understanding of the nature and subject matter of the disputed contract. The evidence that the defendants deliberately created for the plaintiffs an inaccurate understanding of the nature of the transaction, its conditions, the identity of the participants, the subject, other circumstances that influenced the plaintiff’s decision to enter into the disputed contract,
said in a court decision.

“In view of the foregoing, there are no legal grounds for invalidating transactions based on the arguments set forth in the original lawsuit, as well as for applying the consequences of invalidity of transactions provided for in paragraph 2 of Article 167 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation. The satisfaction of the initial claim should be denied, ”the document says.

Recall that in the summer Siemens announced that all 4 of its turbines, once intended for the project in Taman, were illegally supplied to the Crimea. In this regard, the concern announced its intention to terminate license agreements with Russian companies for the supply of equipment for power plants, as well as to suspend deliveries under existing contracts.
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  1. Mihanishche
    Mihanishche 25 December 2017 10: 44 New
    0
    We will heat wood. We have a lot of firewood.
    1. Finches
      Finches 25 December 2017 10: 45 New
      21
      Siemens did not want to make a positive decision ... laughing
      1. katana
        katana 25 December 2017 10: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Siemens did not want to make a positive decision ... laughing

        What did Siemens want?
        1. Finches
          Finches 25 December 2017 10: 49 New
          +9
          Money, money again + a large and promising sales market! And he already has it ...
          1. Going
            Going 25 December 2017 11: 00 New
            +9
            In this regard, the concern announced its intention to terminate licensing agreements with Russian companies for the supply of equipment for power plants, as well as to suspend supplies under existing contracts.


            This is a game for the public and no more.
          2. katana
            katana 25 December 2017 11: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            Money, money again + a large and promising sales market! And he already has it ...

            Money is understandable, but where in the Russian Federation did you see a promising market ??
            1. Finches
              Finches 25 December 2017 11: 12 New
              +6
              Where didn’t you see him? Open the card and that's all that red is Russia! Perhaps for you it will be a shocking discovery that Russia is 1/6 of the land! laughing
              1. katana
                katana 25 December 2017 11: 33 New
                +1
                Quote: Finches
                Where didn’t you see him? Open the card and that's all that red is Russia! Perhaps for you it will be a shocking discovery that Russia is 1/6 of the land! laughing

                I do not argue - the territory of the Russian Federation is large, but now 1/8 of the land, and not 1/6. In addition, the Russian Federation is currently in crisis, according to your Rosstat (this is not the data of the hostile State Department), industrial production in November 2017 fell by a record 3,6 percent. This only happened back in 2009 due to the global economic crisis. The economy of the Russian Federation collapses before our eyes, and then who will need the electricity and turbines that produce them?
                1. burigaz2010
                  burigaz2010 25 December 2017 12: 28 New
                  +2
                  Quote: katana
                  Quote: Finches
                  Where didn’t you see him? Open the card and that's all that red is Russia! Perhaps for you it will be a shocking discovery that Russia is 1/6 of the land! laughing

                  I do not argue - the territory of the Russian Federation is large, but now 1/8 of the land, and not 1/6. In addition, the Russian Federation is currently in crisis, according to your Rosstat (this is not the data of the hostile State Department), industrial production in November 2017 fell by a record 3,6 percent. This only happened back in 2009 due to the global economic crisis. The economy of the Russian Federation collapses before our eyes, and then who will need the electricity and turbines that produce them?

                  Well, about the drop in production, we are building new plants in Udmurtia, the salary is growing! And about Siemens, excellent electronics, we have in the boiler room, damn it, we’re not overjoyed!
                  1. katana
                    katana 25 December 2017 12: 59 New
                    +1
                    Glad for the Udmurts !!!!! smile
                2. Finches
                  Finches 25 December 2017 13: 09 New
                  +3
                  katana

                  You are very naive laughing
              2. 79807420129
                79807420129 25 December 2017 12: 08 New
                +8
                Quote: Finches
                Where didn’t you see him?

                Eugene drinks hi It's hard to argue with a tree yes You knock on it, it’s only its knock, knock, knock hi laughing
                1. Finches
                  Finches 25 December 2017 15: 00 New
                  +1
                  Vlad hi drinks He is simply envious + pathological hatred of Russia! Special attention should not be paid!
                  1. 79807420129
                    79807420129 25 December 2017 17: 09 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Finches
                    Special attention should not be paid!

                    Eugene drinks Yes, we don’t pay much attention to him laughing For a year and a half while he is here, except for rzhach does not cause anything. laughing Razmik 72 is his first nickname. Then 73,74, etc., now for some reason, he was reformed into a katana, although this is a Japanese sword. laughing He wants to be funny, it's a business. drinks hi
            2. 79807420129
              79807420129 25 December 2017 11: 35 New
              +6
              Quote: katana
              Money is understandable, but where in the Russian Federation did you see a promising market ??

              Probably in Armenia laughing And Simens was so frightened of the futility of the Russian market that it entered into a contract for the supply of two similar turbines to Tatarstan. bully
              1. katana
                katana 25 December 2017 11: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: 79807420129
                Quote: katana
                Money is understandable, but where in the Russian Federation did you see a promising market ??

                Probably in Armenia laughing And Simens was so frightened of the futility of the Russian market that it entered into a contract for the supply of two similar turbines to Tatarstan. bully

                And what about Armenia? I know about the contract for two turbines no worse than you, but this is not the volume of a promising market.
                1. 79807420129
                  79807420129 25 December 2017 11: 59 New
                  +8
                  Quote: katana
                  but this is not the volume of a promising market.

                  You tell Siemens and General Electric laughing maybe then they will stop the fight for an open market laughing you then they will obey such a "great" economist and business man. good
                  1. katana
                    katana 25 December 2017 12: 15 New
                    +1
                    Quote: 79807420129
                    Quote: katana
                    but this is not the volume of a promising market.

                    You tell Siemens and General Electric laughing maybe then they will stop the fight for an open market laughing you then they will obey such a "great" economist and business man. good

                    There will be competition for anyone, even for such a tattered one as Armenian. laughing
                2. Pirogov
                  Pirogov 25 December 2017 12: 05 New
                  +4
                  Quote: katana
                  And what about Armenia? I know about the contract for two turbines no worse than you, but this is not the volume of a promising market.

                  So this order is not the last, and the supply of turbines also includes maintenance, and this is always money. You would have looked at the price of one turbine before you scuffed and settled down.
      2. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 25 December 2017 10: 49 New
        +5
        Quote: Mikhanishche
        We will heat wood. We have a lot of firewood.

        Who to drown? The bath? Definitely firewood !!! laughing
        A Siemens need to drive a filthy broom. The Germans killed millions of our relatives. They are forever indebted to the Russians. Let them say thanks for being allowed to trade with us. Ghouls they are.
        There will be no Siemens forced to make turbines ourselves. As a result, there will be their own and there will be no dependence on ghouls.
        1. Puss in Boots
          Puss in Boots 25 December 2017 10: 56 New
          +2
          H. BOSS wear? and they sewed uniforms for fascists, did Porsche tanks, Opel cars and not only, there’s a lot of things that you have to refuse, and not only German, from Czech Austrian, AMERICAN, Hungarian, the list is huge, there’s not enough time to print!
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          2. Bolo
            Bolo 25 December 2017 22: 43 New
            +1
            I didn’t forget, the refuser is unfortunate that Siemens made gas chambers for concentration camps? Fucking historian!
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 25 December 2017 11: 05 New
          +1
          And you’ll be washing on “Wave-2” .. and forget about driving on the VAZ, turn off the computer, turn off the computer, and the enemy’s TV in the trash! The country will make turbines and they will work .. but you’ll have to forget about careless life if you are guided your logic! To find out how your mom’s business, you will need to run to the post office and order negotiations! The Internet, too, have been invented by the enemy, so goodbye .. wink
          1. bk316
            bk316 25 December 2017 11: 15 New
            +2
            The Internet, too, virulence came up

            Well, it’s you who distort the matter, not about who invented it, but about doing or buying it yourself
          2. Bolo
            Bolo 25 December 2017 22: 45 New
            +2
            Russians came up with the Internet, a victim of the exam!
        3. katana
          katana 25 December 2017 11: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Quote: Mikhanishche
          We will heat wood. We have a lot of firewood.

          Who to drown? The bath? Definitely firewood !!! laughing
          A Siemens need to drive a filthy broom. The Germans killed millions of our relatives. They are forever indebted to the Russians. Let them say thanks for being allowed to trade with us. Ghouls they are.
          There will be no Siemens forced to make turbines ourselves. As a result, there will be their own and there will be no dependence on ghouls.

          Do it yourself - no one holds your hands. The only question is - how?
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 25 December 2017 11: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: katana
            Do it yourself - no one holds your hands. The only question is - how?

            Silently Razmik and for over 9 years we’ve been doing laughing
            And with your stupidity you leave a bad impression about all Armenians. negative
            1. katana
              katana 25 December 2017 13: 04 New
              +1
              Wow- "comrade" from the special services drew !! As for the production of gas turbines in Russia, I know, but they, unfortunately, are not economical and have much less power.
      3. Shura Perm
        Shura Perm 25 December 2017 10: 50 New
        +2
        it's too late to drive, the turbines are already working ...
      4. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 25 December 2017 11: 02 New
        +3
        Siemens did not want to make a positive decision ...
        You are absolutely right. And if Ukraine had not made a fuss, then everything would have passed quietly and peacefully. As a result, Siemens had to imitate an active litigation and pour threats about the termination of contracts.
      5. Kent0001
        Kent0001 25 December 2017 11: 32 New
        +2
        But for pro forma, it’s notable that everything would be according to Stanislavsky wassat
  2. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 25 December 2017 10: 46 New
    +8
    I think that Siemens had this court of otmaza. Like, well, we tried, but failed.
    1. katana
      katana 25 December 2017 11: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Hagalaz
      I think that Siemens had this court of otmaza. Like, well, we tried, but failed.

      They will surely turn to the International Court of Arbitration. To be able to apply there, you must first apply to local courts such as Basmanny. wassat
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 25 December 2017 12: 16 New
        +1
        That's when they serve, then we’ll write off. What is the deadline for filing?
  3. Alexander War
    Alexander War 25 December 2017 10: 47 New
    +1
    Not on the topic! After the death of Dr. Lisa, the new head of her fund raised her salary 5 times http://ren.tv/novosti/2017-12-23/posle-gibeli-dok
    tora-lizy-novaya-rukovoditelnica-ee-fonda-podnyal
    a-sebe-zarplatu
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 25 December 2017 10: 50 New
      +3
      And I don’t hear anything about this fund after the death of D. Liza ....
  4. pvv113
    pvv113 25 December 2017 10: 47 New
    +1
    The scam did not pass wink
    1. Going
      Going 25 December 2017 11: 01 New
      +5
      Greetings Vladimir! hi , but they don’t want to go anywhere, they held an “event” for show and that’s all.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 25 December 2017 11: 18 New
        +1
        Hello Victor! If you are a Catholic - then Happy Holiday! If not, help Catholics celebrate! laughing
        I agree with you, no one has refused money yet, and the Russian market for Siemens is very profitable
        1. Going
          Going 25 December 2017 11: 55 New
          +5
          I will help Catholics, and Siemens is a long-time client of Russia.
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 25 December 2017 11: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Going
            I will help Catholics

            Well then for friendship denominations drinks
  5. Egorovich
    Egorovich 25 December 2017 10: 48 New
    +2
    The loud show-off of Siemens has not passed; they will quietly and peacefully continue their work in Russia. But they reported to the mattresses, they say we tried.
  6. svp67
    svp67 25 December 2017 10: 59 New
    0
    The Moscow Arbitration Court did not find any reasons to recognize the deal on the supply of Siemens turbines to Rostec’s daughter, the Technopromexport company, as invalid,
    Yes, this can not be. "Surprised", no "very surprised" ... How is it? how did Siemens have the money for good lawyers? "Poverty", that’s got the result ....
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 25 December 2017 11: 07 New
      0
      Yes, everything was agreed, Siemens didn’t want to lose the market, they just showed that we were kind of like that .. but it didn’t work, we are working on!
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 December 2017 11: 17 New
        0
        Quote: igorka357
        Yes, everything was agreed

        Yes, you sho? Collusion ... Well, actually ... Who would have thought that SUCH is possible in a "free and democratic world" .... Yes, you slander ....
  7. Vita vko
    Vita vko 25 December 2017 11: 00 New
    0
    in the concern announced their intention to terminate licensing agreements with Russian companies for the supply of equipment for power plants, as well as to suspend supplies under existing contracts
    We have been waiting for a long time and hope that Russian turbine manufacturers will finally be able to work normally. The main thing is that this initiative would come from Siemens.
    1. svp67
      svp67 25 December 2017 11: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Vita VKO
      We have been waiting for a long time and hope that Russian turbine manufacturers will finally be able to work normally.

      You can’t imagine what a difficult and costly way it will be. Thanks to the “wise” financial policies of Kudrin and his students, this is not so easy. Now you have to catch up, and take decades to develop in months, and this is VERY expensive. VERY. At least modern stands and test sites should be built. In order not to travel to "abroad" ... I know that our Ural Turbine has already begun to work in this direction ... Honestly - I’m only glad of it and wish you SUCCESS and GOOD LUCK
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 25 December 2017 11: 02 New
    +1
    The Germans are jumping that the Yankees will drive them out of our market! Moreover, the United States will deliver turbines to the Crimea, hiding behind the "national interests of the United States in this region!" recourse
    1. katana
      katana 25 December 2017 11: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      The Germans are jumping that the Yankees will drive them out of our market! Moreover, the United States will deliver turbines to the Crimea, hiding behind the "national interests of the United States in this region!" recourse

      And aren't you funny writing this kind of "comment"?
      1. PN
        PN 25 December 2017 14: 38 New
        0
        And so it really will be. Only a blind man does not see this. In technical terms, the EU has imposed more sanctions, and the Americans are using it.
  9. KCA
    KCA 25 December 2017 11: 03 New
    0
    The representative of Siemens, after announcing the verdict, turned away with a smile, "I didn’t really want to ..." :-)
  10. mavrus
    mavrus 25 December 2017 11: 06 New
    0
    Quote: katana
    Quote: Finches
    Siemens did not want to make a positive decision ... laughing

    What did Siemens want?

    I wanted to sell turbines ... I sold it. I wanted to get out of the sanctions clean ... I left ... and at the same time I wiped the nose of the sanctioners.
    1. katana
      katana 25 December 2017 11: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: mavrus
      Quote: katana
      Quote: Finches
      Siemens did not want to make a positive decision ... laughing

      What did Siemens want?

      I wanted to sell turbines ... I sold it. I wanted to get out of the sanctions clean ... I left ... and at the same time I wiped the nose of the sanctioners.

      You are seriously mistaken - Siemens will appeal to the International Arbitration Court, the matter will not stop there.
  11. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 25 December 2017 11: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimir16
    No Siemens will be forced to make turbines ourselves
    we’ve been doing our own since the time of Urengoy-Pomara-Uzhgorod and continue to do repeat
  12. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 25 December 2017 11: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Mikhanishche
    We will heat wood. We have a lot of firewood
    especially a lot of firewood in the Crimea, even for power generation repeat
  13. Ural resident
    Ural resident 25 December 2017 11: 20 New
    0
    Maybe then send Siemens - there the American company is ready to supply turbines instead of them, including in the Crimea
    1. katana
      katana 25 December 2017 11: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      Maybe then send Siemens - there the American company is ready to supply turbines instead of them, including in the Crimea

      Well, American firms are directly torn to the Crimea - this is the new Eldorado on Earth. wassat
  14. Mihanishche
    Mihanishche 25 December 2017 11: 29 New
    0
    Quote: A resident of the Urals
    Maybe then send Siemens - there the American company is ready to supply turbines instead of them, including in the Crimea
    - do not write stupidity.
  15. groks
    groks 25 December 2017 11: 50 New
    0
    Interesting. STGT - the plaintiff? In how. Are turbines installed? Do they work?
  16. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 25 December 2017 12: 17 New
    0
    All formalities are met, the curtain ..) somehow I can’t believe that Siemens, with great desire, got into this squabble) because, in the case of a “victory”, there was a threat of losing the market in which they are more than a hundred years old, and which they practically control
  17. Mestny
    Mestny 25 December 2017 19: 02 New
    -1
    Quote: katana
    I do not argue - the territory of the Russian Federation is large, but now 1/8 of the land, and not 1/6. In addition, the Russian Federation is currently in crisis, according to your Rosstat (this is not the data of the hostile State Department) industrial production in November 2017 fell a record 3,6 percent.

    And that you can’t calm down for the pugs ...
    Here are the statistics from Rosstat
    https://nangs.org/analytics/rosstat-o-promyshlenn
    om-proizvodstve
  18. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 25 December 2017 19: 26 New
    0
    Quote: katana
    In addition, the Russian Federation is currently in crisis

    But as soon as we elect again our eternally green “mustache” for a new presidential term ... the crisis will immediately awaken. What time!