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Gref warned Washington against large-scale anti-Russian sanctions

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The head of Sberbank, German Gref, warned the United States against imposing large-scale sanctions against Russia and said that if they were adopted, the Cold War would seem like “child's play,” reports RIA News.




One of Russia's top bankers said that the potentially far-reaching new sanctions of the United States could "make it so that a cold war would seem like child's play,"
writes the Financial Times newspaper, interviewing Gref.

During the interview, Gref called the “irrational step” the possible disconnection of Russia from the interbank SWIFT system under the new restrictive measures on the part of Washington.

As the newspaper notes, in favor of disconnecting Russia from SWIFT, Western politicians have been speaking since 2014, when the first sanctions were imposed because of the crisis in Ukraine. Due to the deterioration of relations between Moscow and Washington, there is a possibility that politicians will return to the consideration of this idea.

Earlier, Gref said that he allowed some expansion of anti-Russian sanctions, but it is unlikely to be critical.

Recall that SWIFT is an international interbank system for transmitting information and making payments. More than 10,8 thousand largest organizations in more than 200 countries are connected to it. In 2015, the Russian equivalent of the SWIFT system, the Mir electronic settlement system, was created.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 25 December 2017 08: 11
    12
    Let him say what he specifically offers, but for now, only under sanctions are the people ripped off.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 25 December 2017 08: 12
      +8
      Let's move on to the MIR cards.
      1. Logall
        Logall 25 December 2017 08: 18
        26
        I would warn Mr. Gref against such statements! And then again you have to make excuses, that Well, we can do nothing, as Medvedev said there is no money, but you hold on ...
        They just forget to clarify who doesn’t have money ... It’s clearly not with them!
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 25 December 2017 08: 43
          13
          Quote: Logall
          I would warn Mr. Gref against such statements! And then you have to make excuses again

          These citizens are not going to answer for their words, but this is apparently for the time being.


          1. cormorant
            cormorant 25 December 2017 13: 16
            +2
            Everything is very clear here, either the GDP changes the government or it loses its votes in the elections. But the fact that he will change his liberals is very doubtful.
        2. SIMALEX
          SIMALEX 25 December 2017 14: 58
          0
          The “roof has moved down” from the gref, and here he declares such a “navel” as a bank, like in Chubais - “bulk money”! But hold on - We, and give money, stsuki give Medvedev, he does not have enough, however.
      2. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 25 December 2017 08: 25
        +4
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        Let's move on to the MIR cards.

        and someone else has not switched? here’s patriotism, the MIR card has been working all over the country for a long time (except that it’s not connected yet on European sites; it seems it’s already plowing on aliexpress), and the people are still “thinking” ...
        1. BVS
          BVS 25 December 2017 08: 40
          +3
          There is no "MIR" card in aliexpress. Infa from 25.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          1. gaura
            gaura 25 December 2017 08: 45
            +6
            Bida) without aliexpress we will immediately go to the Maidan! Here, although inside the country I would go everywhere
          2. Cxnumx
            Cxnumx 25 December 2017 09: 05
            +1
            Quote: bvs
            There is no "MIR" card in aliexpress. Infa from 25.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX.

            Well, then it doesn’t plow - it’s wrong. but Yandex-money (for which money from this card is transferred without interest) 100% plow
          3. krops777
            krops777 25 December 2017 09: 12
            +8
            There is no "MIR" card in aliexpress. Infa from 25.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX.


            Yah? and I have another info.
          4. andj61
            andj61 25 December 2017 09: 23
            +2
            Quote: bvs
            There is no "MIR" card in aliexpress. Infa from 25.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX.

            Map "World" in "aliexpress" is present. In November I was offered to pay with this card too. True, my Mir card has not been activated yet, until the New Year I use a Visa - then it will be turned off.
            I just went to "ali" - "Mir" is also offered for payment along with other payment systems. I have not tried to pay. hi
          5. bk316
            bk316 25 December 2017 19: 48
            +3

            There is no "MIR" card in aliexpress. Infa from 25.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX.

            Sovramshi?
      3. svp67
        svp67 25 December 2017 08: 56
        +2
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        Let's move on to the MIR cards.

        The main thing here is that all banks have time to connect to this system within the country ... before the "shutdown"
        1. katana
          katana 25 December 2017 09: 27
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          Let's move on to the MIR cards.

          The main thing here is that all banks have time to connect to this system within the country ... before the "shutdown"

          The SWIFT money transfer system is, roughly speaking, just a logistics of money. Inside Russia, you will somehow connect your banks, but with foreign banks and the possibility of credit and money relations with foreign partners, you will be completely sealed. Turning off Swift will be another significant factor in isolating the Russian economy from the global, generally isolation of the Russian Federation. Surely the state banks of the Russian Federation will be the first to disconnect from Swift, which is why Gref warns, and in truth - the dude is a great coward.
          1. svp67
            svp67 25 December 2017 09: 30
            +3
            Quote: katana
            but with foreign banks and the possibility of credit - money relations with foreign partners, you will have a complete seam.

            Do not make me laugh. The seam WILL NOT. Firstly, after the imposition of sanctions, many will not want to work with ours, and secondly, you did not ask yourself a question, but how did you work before ....? That's how they will work, after the "shutdown", but the speed of communication will decrease, but will not stop. That's exactly what Iranian banks acted under sanctions. Decades have worked. Nothing new under the moon ...
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 25 December 2017 10: 08
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              That's exactly what Iranian banks acted under sanctions. Decades have worked.

              Over the past year, in Iran, GDP growth amounted to 4%. And this is under many years of sanctions! And we have?
              1. svp67
                svp67 25 December 2017 10: 12
                +1
                Quote: BecmepH
                Over the past year, in Iran, GDP growth amounted to 4%. And this is under many years of sanctions!

                Do you forget anything? Is this the first time in many years since the imposition of sanctions? This is the time. And the second, and whether they were slightly weakened, against the background of the "atomic agreement", thanks to which European companies simply "poured" into Iran. But what about us?
                1. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 25 December 2017 10: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  Is this the first time in many years since the imposition of sanctions?

                  No way, dear. Iran sanctions since the 70s. Moreover, under such restrictions, next to which our sanctions are mischief. They had GDP growth many times and 12, and 13, and 14, and even 23% in 1982.
                  It’s clear that it’s a shame for the state, but you have to be objective and honest.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 25 December 2017 10: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: BecmepH
                    They had GDP growth many times and 12, and 13, and 14, and even 23% in 1982.

                    Having an economy near zero, you can give a 100% rise. It’s more difficult for us, for us even 4% is a lot, and on the scale of the WORLD.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 25 December 2017 11: 40
                0
                And we will have 2%
          2. bk316
            bk316 25 December 2017 19: 52
            +2
            but with foreign banks and the possibility of credit - money relations with foreign partners you will have a complete seam.

            Nonsense well, transactions will go longer ....
          3. engineer74
            engineer74 26 December 2017 20: 05
            0
            Quote: katana
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            Let's move on to the MIR cards.

            The main thing here is that all banks have time to connect to this system within the country ... before the "shutdown"

            The SWIFT money transfer system is, roughly speaking, just a logistics of money. Inside Russia, you will somehow connect your banks, but with foreign banks and the possibility of credit and money relations with foreign partners, you will be completely sealed. Turning off Swift will be another significant factor in isolating the Russian economy from the global, generally isolation of the Russian Federation. Surely the state banks of the Russian Federation will be the first to disconnect from Swift, which is why Gref warns, and in truth - the dude is a great coward.

            What do you think will happen if payments for gas cease to take place? wink
      4. bk316
        bk316 25 December 2017 19: 50
        +2
        Let's move on to the MIR cards.

        And what do cards have to do with SWIFT?
        Everything will work with and without SWIFT.
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 25 December 2017 08: 23
      +1
      When all these strange, muddy Grefs, Chubais, Kudrins, etc., will be asked to go outside Russia.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 25 December 2017 13: 33
        +2
        Nothing to do there! Let the forest be restored in Siberia! In a numbering robe.
    3. Spook
      Spook 25 December 2017 08: 32
      +2
      No, Gref says it’s all, the bottom line is that we don’t have to do anything - the United States does everything. US hegemony is based on the spread of the "nutrient base" isolating the nutrient base and excluding it from their diet, they have corresponding difficulties when political decisions interfere with profit - these things have already torn Ukraine, made a turmoil in Europe.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 25 December 2017 11: 06
        +2
        Spook, 08:32. Translated into Russian, this means: Guests (Russia trying to integrate into a Western house) threatens the owners of the house (West). Well, what an insolence! AND! Then Gref sounded like a tirade about strata and the inadmissibility of commoners to power. And this, in his opinion, was fair. And now Gref and Russia act as commoners. All according to his philosophy. But he doesn’t like it. Again, in Russian speaking: On the tricky ass of Gref and Russia, there was a cunning bolt. Their attempts to command in a strange (Western) house are rebuffed. But they don’t want to build their home-Russia (and alliances with Russia). There is a question of either-or. Or guests obey the requirements of the owners of the house, or build their own house with their own laws. In another way. hi
        1. Spook
          Spook 25 December 2017 12: 49
          0
          Gref is not a known scoundrel, but sometimes he can say something practical, I do not argue
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 25 December 2017 13: 06
            +3
            Quote: Spook
            Gref is not a known scoundrel, but sometimes he can say something practical, I do not argue

            This is kaneshno! look carefully.
    4. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 25 December 2017 08: 39
      15
      Gref just hinted to partners that it would be difficult to overtake loot in the US ... that's all hi
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 25 December 2017 09: 01
        +5
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        it is difficult to overtake loot

        This is the whole point of the Gref threat!
      2. katana
        katana 25 December 2017 09: 30
        +1
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        Gref just hinted to partners that it would be difficult to overtake loot in the US ... that's all hi

        If everything were as simple as in your comment ... sad Due to the difficulties of money transfers to Russia, foreign investment in the Russian Federation will come to naught.
        1. lukewarm
          lukewarm 25 December 2017 10: 53
          +2
          Sane economists write that most of these "foreign investments" are investments by "our" oligarchs who have withdrawn their capital to offshore. And so ... Liberasty only pray for them for these investments: "Give money." After all, who invests - he expects to make a profit. He invested in us - made a profit - we got - WHAT ??? Most likely a donut hole. Ah yes ... "Jobs"
          1. bk316
            bk316 25 December 2017 19: 55
            +3
            Sane economists write that most of these foreign investments "are investments by" our "oligarchs who have diverted their capital to offshore

            This is exactly the case.
        2. Spez
          Spez 25 December 2017 11: 10
          +4
          Quote: katana
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          Gref just hinted to partners that it would be difficult to overtake loot in the US ... that's all hi

          If everything were as simple as in your comment ... sad Due to the difficulties of money transfers to Russia, foreign investment in the Russian Federation will come to naught.

          How does this threaten Russia? The fact that return on investment will no longer go beyond the cordon? It's horrible!
      3. bk316
        bk316 25 December 2017 19: 54
        +2
        Gref just hinted to partners that it would be difficult to overtake loot in the US ... that's all

        This is what he said, it is surprising that you first understood this ...
    5. vlad007
      vlad007 25 December 2017 09: 29
      +2
      Quote: Teberii
      Let him say what he specifically offers, but for now, only under sanctions are the people ripped off.


      If they disconnect us from SWIFT, then in response they threatened to close our airspace for foreign aircraft. You can also cut the Internet cable from America to Europe. We have the Losharik submarine, the 10831 project, and it is designed for this.
      1. starpom
        starpom 25 December 2017 12: 29
        +4
        Quote: vlad007
        You can also cut the Internet cable from America to Europe.

        Then Dima will have to throw his gadgets
    6. LSA57
      LSA57 25 December 2017 09: 45
      +1
      Quote: Teberii
      Let him say what he specifically offers

      Well, who in the war reveals his plans ahead of time?
    7. Herculesic
      Herculesic 25 December 2017 10: 54
      +2
      I didn’t understand - the US vulture gives instructions, how can we spoil it? ??
    8. Sergey53
      Sergey53 25 December 2017 11: 26
      0
      Quote: Teberii
      Let him say what he specifically offers, but for now, only under sanctions are the people ripped off.

      He does not offer something to us, he warns his curator. And we both robbed and robbed as a moneylender and not a banker.
    9. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 December 2017 12: 29
      +3
      Quote: Teberii
      Let him say what he specifically offers, but for now, only under sanctions are the people ripped off.

      But offers nothing ... stupidly ruined the air ...
      One of Russia's top bankers said that the potentially far-reaching new sanctions of the United States could "make it so that a cold war would seem like child's play,"

      This was said by a person whose personal accounts are not stored in our banks. That is, a man whom the United States holds tight to Faberge.
    10. Trotil42
      Trotil42 26 December 2017 16: 56
      0
      I know what he can specifically offer .. he is associated with LGBT in the Russian Federation ... financing of Ukraine and Petenka’s regime, loss of assets and his downcast pig’s eyes .. to choose from ... hi
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 December 2017 08: 11
    +3
    In 2015, the Russian analogue of the SWIFT system was created - the Mir electronic settlement system.

    ... after all, there was infa that Russia will be able to switch to Mir in 2018 completely ...
    1. Going
      Going 25 December 2017 08: 19
      11
      If, God forbid, they try to disconnect Russia from the world financial system, then they will bring down the entire world financial system, it will not seem to anyone.
      1. just exp
        just exp 25 December 2017 08: 29
        +2
        and how it will bring down the world fin. system?
        1. Going
          Going 25 December 2017 08: 32
          +6
          Because everything is interconnected and "cutting" Russia is simply not possible, otherwise the collapse of the entire system.
          1. just exp
            just exp 25 December 2017 08: 37
            +5
            it’s possible and very easy, and the consequences will only be for those who somehow trade with Russia (it means trading and buying the same way. For example, gas that mattresses really want to make, they will leave the opportunity to buy liquefied gas from them).
            of the minuses is that ours can switch to the Chinese system in international payments, that is, the Chinese will have new customers added, even the old ones will decrease. the role of the Chinese will increase, the European will decrease. and Russia will still have the opportunity to accept payments for gas, though through the Chinese. This is the only thing that stops Russia from disconnecting from swift
          2. Logall
            Logall 25 December 2017 08: 37
            +5
            Victor, good morning!

            I agree with you, if you exclude the Russians from the global financial system, then nothing will happen. But Russian companies, take off all Europe! And not only...
            I think that’s exactly what the Western countries ’securities are bought on their neck for ...
            1. Going
              Going 25 December 2017 08: 42
              +5
              Good morning, Alexander! hi I don’t feel like explaining causally for a long time - investigative relationships, I’ll say the final result - right up to man-made disasters, and this is not a joke, but ordinary people will lose their money, and all over the world.
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 25 December 2017 09: 01
                +4
                Victor, good morning! hi Precisely because not everyone in the West is blinded by hatred of Russia, Russia has not yet been disconnected from SWIFT. But there are fewer sane ones there, so such a disconnection is quite possible. And the consequences will be extremely gloomy, not only for Russia.
                1. Going
                  Going 25 December 2017 09: 51
                  +4
                  Good morning Maxim! hi it's like they sawing off the branch on which they are sitting.
                  1. Jedi
                    Jedi 25 December 2017 13: 27
                    +3
                    Let them saw - they are not the first time. Only again, it’s not they who are to blame - we. Maybe it's time to give rise to accusations to cease to be unfounded?
              2. katana
                katana 25 December 2017 09: 34
                +3
                Quote: Going
                Good morning, Alexander! hi I don’t feel like explaining causally for a long time - investigative relationships, I’ll say the final result - right up to man-made disasters, and this is not a joke, but ordinary people will lose their money, and all over the world.

                What technological disasters can happen in the world due to the disconnection of Russia from Swift? No one in the world will even notice that there is no more Swift in the Russian Federation.
                1. Going
                  Going 25 December 2017 09: 52
                  +4
                  You are mistaken, oil pipelines, gas pipelines, tankers, etc. everything is tied.
                2. just exp
                  just exp 25 December 2017 09: 54
                  +1
                  I somehow heard stories that if they turn off the swift, Russia will not be able to pay foreign workers, they will stop looking at gas storages, there will be chaos and chaos, and then explosions will be followed at abandoned gas storages and so on.
                  1. Going
                    Going 25 December 2017 10: 00
                    +4
                    This is very primitive, but a lot of questions.
              3. Spez
                Spez 25 December 2017 11: 29
                +1
                I will reveal a terrible secret. People will lose money anyway. For this, money was invented.
          3. BVS
            BVS 25 December 2017 08: 47
            +3
            Is the Russian Federation the basis of a "global financial system?" RF - 3,4%. (Despite the fact that, according to 2016 data, Russia's population was about 2,0% of the global population, the country's contribution to the global economy reached 3,2% [14]. However, the share of Russian financial instruments in total global assets amounted to about 1,0%.)
            1. katana
              katana 25 December 2017 09: 38
              +2
              Quote: bvs
              Is the Russian Federation the basis of a "global financial system?" RF - 3,4%. (Despite the fact that, according to 2016 data, Russia's population was about 2,0% of the global population, the country's contribution to the global economy reached 3,2% [14]. However, the share of Russian financial instruments in total global assets amounted to about 1,0%.)

              According to various estimates, Russia's GDP on a global scale is from 1,6 to 1 percent of GDP, but not less than 3,4 percent of yours. And it is clear that nothing will happen if you are turned off by Swift.
          4. 34 region
            34 region 25 December 2017 11: 24
            0
            Walking, 08:32. What then means the seizure of Russia's accounts? World collapse? Are suicides in the West? And why with the huge debt of the United States, there is no inflation? Maybe the arrest of Russia's accounts will be the burning of extra money? The seizure of accounts is the impossibility of purchasing modern technologies and discarding them in technological development. We ruined our industry ourselves, science too. But they did not spare money for yachts and sports clubs. It turns out the ditching of their science and production did not overwhelm the whole system, but gave it a breath of fresh air. And now the corpse will be able to crush the whole System? Or maybe it’s easier for the System not to let resuscitate and revive a corpse? Why is the System a competitor?
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 25 December 2017 10: 03
          +1
          Quote: just explo
          and how it will bring down the world fin. system?

          for a couple with China easily
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 25 December 2017 09: 52
        0
        Not. At macro levels - perhaps the EU will spend half a percent percentage in 3-6 months.

        This measure will result in:
        - to the activation of national systems / transition to the Chinese from countries that now have the prospect of sanctions. But for many countries, it will pass relatively unnoticed, for example, Pakistan is now in the Chinese system even more than in this of your Swift.
        - serious problems in export-import for the Russian Federation and partners. You have to conclude regular direct deals, use schemes and alternatives. All this will reduce the direct competitiveness of such operations, because more time, more costs, more risks.
        - Another round of tension in the world.
        - those who have cards in Swift - will storm banks for money and cards.
      3. BecmepH
        BecmepH 25 December 2017 10: 14
        +3
        Quote: Going
        If, God forbid, they try to disconnect Russia from the world financial system, then they will bring down the entire world financial system, it will not seem to anyone.

        I do not care. Let them ruin. Let the rich worry.
        And I have my own house with a garden. We survived in the 90s and now we will survive. Scared a hedgehog with a bare ass. So, guys?
        1. Viktor.12.71
          Viktor.12.71 25 December 2017 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: BecmepH
          So, guys?

          So it is, but in the State Duma there are many oligarchs with real estate and money outside the Russian Federation. Power is not all the same. Although there is an option that they will transfer all their capital to cryptocurrency.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 25 December 2017 10: 38
            0
            Quote: Viktor.12.71
            Quote: BecmepH
            So, guys?

            So it is, but in the State Duma there are many oligarchs with real estate and money outside the Russian Federation. Power is not all the same. Although there is an option that they will transfer all their capital to cryptocurrency.

            Good, you ... worry about the oligarchs ...
            1. Viktor.12.71
              Viktor.12.71 25 December 2017 10: 59
              +1
              I do not feel sorry for them; it’s no secret to anyone that millions of them were stolen. This is my personal opinion, but I see a picture of the pitting by the Americans of the Russian oligarchs with Putin.
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 25 December 2017 12: 16
                +1
                Quote: Viktor.12.71
                Bleeding Americans of Russian oligarchs with Putin

                Of course, we can assume that the oligarchs will run into the "roof". But something is doubtful. Peretrut and shake everything.
            2. max702
              max702 25 December 2017 11: 48
              +1
              Quote: BecmepH
              Good, you ... worry about the oligarchs ...

              The trouble is that the levers of REAL power are with these hmyrams, and not with you, and so they will go to great lengths so as not to lose their back-breaking labor .. They asked their country .. or, and they threaten to take everything from someone else’s and talk about their role in the looting of that country .. And where should they go? Having clenched your teeth, start restoration work? Come on! Firstly, you need to be able to, and they steal Toko .. So their choice is not great ...
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 25 December 2017 12: 14
                +1
                Quote: max702
                They asked their country ..

                I want to correct you. Not "pros..li", but sold. If the first option can be allowed through negligence, stupidity, or "so the card went down", then the second option is a deliberate action.
                1. Viktor.12.71
                  Viktor.12.71 26 December 2017 08: 42
                  0
                  The oligarchs are already running. The Board of CB North Credit has already fled, with all the money of the state and investors. Prior to this, Dmitry Ananyev would have taken out all his capital for treatment thereby emptying PromSvyazBank, but another thing is surprising, namely the Central Bank of Russia wants to pour into a bank where there is no capital of 100-200 billion rubles. And here there are thoughts that the depositors of this bank were shaved for such an amount and somehow it is necessary to return money to the people. And this is only for a week. And how many oligarchs escaped without light? This is an outflow of capital, it can lead to a panic of those in power. The only bank left soon is the Central Bank.
          2. The Siberian barber
            The Siberian barber 25 December 2017 11: 41
            0
            They have money already in it)) the same Herman Oskarovich))
            Here the meaning is different: even with money in cryptocurrency, you still use the payment system))
        2. 34 region
          34 region 25 December 2017 11: 39
          0
          BecmepH, 10:14. *** So, you guys? *** Boys! Boys! You hold your pants! Keep the boys from the girls! And the western girls were so seductive! Cola, jeans, chewing gum, and most importantly, the inviolability of private property !!! Divorced the girls boys ?! In the 90s, many did not survive. And today the population is falling. Migrants really save as much as they can. But those who do not fit into the market are not getting smaller. Already in the village they found 15 million extra people. They also talk about 40 million extra people. House with a garden! And how will it look in Moscow? Already, cities and villages people abandon and flee. And gardeners do not save at all. Maybe it's not in the garden?
    2. katalonec2014
      katalonec2014 25 December 2017 08: 27
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... after all, there was infa that Russia will be able to switch to Mir in 2018 completely ..

      We already crossed, three girls came from Sberbank and changed their cards right at work. I didn’t bother to ask, I asked a direct question - is this due to a possible SWIFT blocking? to which she replied in the affirmative, warned that she would work abroad only next year.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 25 December 2017 08: 38
        +2
        katalonec2014 Today, 08:27

        Now you are not afraid of anything! good Happy New Year!
      2. BVS
        BVS 25 December 2017 08: 43
        +6
        Does the word “abroad” mean Kazakhstan with Armenia?
        1. katana
          katana 25 December 2017 09: 43
          +2
          Quote: bvs
          Does the word “abroad” mean Kazakhstan with Armenia?

          I did not watch your comment when I wrote my forum member under the nickname Catalan, but I completely agree with you - the Russians are strenuously returning to the good old "scoop"!
        2. 34 region
          34 region 25 December 2017 11: 43
          0
          BVS, 08:43. The concept ** Abroad ** can also mean abroad of your city. Do you often go on holiday abroad? I do not travel abroad my city! hi
      3. katana
        katana 25 December 2017 09: 39
        +1
        Quote: katalonec2014
        Quote: aszzz888
        ... after all, there was infa that Russia will be able to switch to Mir in 2018 completely ..

        We already crossed, three girls came from Sberbank and changed their cards right at work. I didn’t bother to ask, I asked a direct question - is this due to a possible SWIFT blocking? to which she replied in the affirmative, warned that she would work abroad only next year.

        Where is this abroad with you? In Armenia? wassat bully
        1. lukewarm
          lukewarm 25 December 2017 10: 59
          0
          Quote: katana
          Where is this abroad with you? In Armenia?

          And your flag is just Armenian. Are you waiting for a visit?
          The biliary malice of you and splashes. Nobody has disconnected yet, and you are already laughing as if we had come to you to confront the whole forum personally.
          How did we offend you so much?
          1. max702
            max702 25 December 2017 11: 50
            +1
            Quote: unwillingly
            How did we offend you so much?

            The same as the 404th and the remaining 14 former republics .. Stopped feeding ..
    3. andj61
      andj61 25 December 2017 09: 28
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      In 2015, the Russian analogue of the SWIFT system was created - the Mir electronic settlement system.

      ... after all, there was infa that Russia will be able to switch to Mir in 2018 completely ...

      They gave me Mir Gazprombank. Not yet activated. Now there is still a visa valid until August 2018, but they warned that it will cease to work from 01.01.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX. True, they issued a new visa card WITHOUT binding to the account. Like going abroad - put money on the card and use it. hi
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 25 December 2017 09: 32
        0
        andj61 Today, 09: 28
        ... come in handy, I suppose ... and doesn’t ask, let it be, and then time will tell ... hi
  3. ImPerts
    ImPerts 25 December 2017 08: 26
    +4
    No, well, Gref is a famous commander!
    Gref deserves to be buried at the Kremlin wall ...
    Or instead of Lenin ...
    Z.Y. I don’t dream of burying Lenin, I dream of burying the redhead ...
    1. katalonec2014
      katalonec2014 25 December 2017 08: 34
      +2
      Quote: ImPerts
      Z.Y. I don’t dream of burying Lenin, I dream of burying the redhead ...

      Well, Lenin, okay, a man died, but what is Chubais alive ???
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 25 December 2017 09: 04
        +9
        Quote: katalonec2014
        what is alive ???

        As one villain (movie) said: I’d put him and a dead man in a noose!
    2. just exp
      just exp 25 December 2017 08: 39
      +2
      I thought the same thing. as I read the headline I thought - why are you going to make them a dick?
      1. katana
        katana 25 December 2017 09: 45
        +1
        Quote: just EXPL
        I thought the same thing. as I read the headline I thought - why are you going to make them a dick?

        This is the first thousand Chinese warning. laughing
  4. svp67
    svp67 25 December 2017 08: 28
    +7
    Gref warned Washington against large-scale anti-Russian sanctions
    What wonderful things are your Lord? Are these bees against honey? If Mr. Gref has become such a fighter against American sanctions, then maybe he will give a command and in the Crimea they will begin to open Sberbank branches? No, it seems that Mr. Gref began to play some kind of game, as if he hadn't played too much ...
    1. Going
      Going 25 December 2017 08: 33
      +6
      He is not a fighter, he understands that if someone tries to do this, they will bring down everyone, including Gref’s pocket.
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 December 2017 08: 40
        +2
        Quote: Going
        bring down everyone, including Gref’s pocket.

        And he thinks that it "will resolve itself." Gref is not so naive. He perfectly understands everything, which means he started some sort of “game”.
        1. Going
          Going 25 December 2017 08: 48
          +7
          The game is simple, people around the world will lose money, and they will be in the pockets of the “Gref”.
          1. svp67
            svp67 25 December 2017 08: 57
            +1
            Quote: Going
            and they will be in the pockets of the "Gref"

            Something seems to me that they will have more famous names around the world ...
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 December 2017 11: 50
        0
        Have you already shuffled in Gref’s pocket - is there something there?
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 25 December 2017 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      No, it seems that Mr. Gref began to play some kind of game, as if he hadn't played too much ...

      So he has already prepared. I bought a golf court in Europe for 350 million of their money. And for the money of Sberbank
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 December 2017 11: 01
        0
        Quote: BecmepH
        So he has already prepared.

        This, in comparison with his "manningo mania" - is utter garbage ...
      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 25 December 2017 11: 23
        0
        Quote: BecmepH
        I bought a golf court in Europe for 350 million of their money.

        Then he will sell it as non-core to his bathing friend, and they will write off the money.
    3. lukewarm
      lukewarm 25 December 2017 11: 01
      +1
      Yes, there is only a headline fighting, as if Groffff has already "shut up" with ours. In the article itself, nothing warlike and he warned no one. On the contrary, he hinted how to hit harder.
  5. private person
    private person 25 December 2017 08: 33
    +2
    Whose interests does Gref represent? But obviously not the Russians.
    1. Berber
      Berber 25 December 2017 08: 40
      +6
      Snickering znayka this gentleman. I saw his speech at one of the forums, he holds us for cattle.
      1. katana
        katana 25 December 2017 09: 51
        +4
        Quote: BerBer
        Snickering znayka this gentleman. I saw his speech at one of the forums, he holds us for cattle.

        Isn’t this the guy who declared the Russian downshifters, to put it simply, losers of a global scale? sad And this man still runs the largest state bank in Russia and no one can move him from this post! request Your affairs are wonderful, my God! Now they will fly in and begin to prove that the President of Russia does not have such powers that would remove such bureaucrats from the service, well, that’s just not all !!
        1. private person
          private person 25 December 2017 10: 44
          +1
          And who said that Sberbank is state owned? But try the throne, 80% or even more of the country's population have deposits or loans shorter one way or another connected with it. Here Gref does what he wants.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 25 December 2017 11: 49
            0
            private person, 10:44. If 80% of the population has deposits in a bank, why then do people take loans? The interest on the deposit is less than the interest on the loan. What is the benefit?
            1. private person
              private person 25 December 2017 12: 13
              0
              Read: deposits or loans. I explain: whoever has no deposits and needs to buy something, they take a loan or a mortgage. You will find and read about the mortgage.
              1. 34 region
                34 region 25 December 2017 13: 34
                0
                private person, 12:13. What credit do you think if 80% of the population have deposits?
                1. private person
                  private person 25 December 2017 13: 43
                  0
                  Read carefully: OR
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 December 2017 11: 53
            0
            Gref’s departure from the post of head of Sberbank on deposits and loans of the population, as well as on the work of banks, will not be affected.
        2. BecmepH
          BecmepH 25 December 2017 10: 57
          0
          Quote: katana
          Now they will fly in and begin to prove that the President of Russia does not have such powers that would remove such bureaucrats from dllness, well, that’s just not all !!

          Of course not. You’ll shoot like a sidekick. So same as the builder of the Crimean bridge will not remove. Although there is 3 billion !!! they brought the wrong soil. Forgive? Prost !! It's root.
        3. Berber
          Berber 26 December 2017 08: 49
          0
          I don’t understand myself, just like with Chubais. I do not believe that they are irreplaceable.
    2. svp67
      svp67 25 December 2017 08: 41
      +1
      Quote: private person
      Whose interests does Gref represent?

      "Whose boy? No one, your own ..."
  6. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 25 December 2017 08: 54
    +4
    Gref warned the US against sanctions! But the fact that? The Cold War will seem like child’s fun, how is it? The US decision to strengthen sanctions will be irrational, according to Gref. For him and all the thieves near Putin - yes, it will be irrational, even I would say difficult. And for me, then Putin is afraid to punish our thieves, then at least Trump will do it, because he is our agent!
  7. Altona
    Altona 25 December 2017 08: 57
    +1
    Disconnecting from SWIFT will simply increase the transit time for payments by a week and that's it. They will switch to the old-fashioned method of transmitting data-telexes, teletypes.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 25 December 2017 09: 19
      +1
      Switch to the old-fashioned way
      Well, since 2014, they haven’t come up with anything to get out of sight?
      1. bk316
        bk316 25 December 2017 20: 01
        +2
        Well, since 2014, they haven’t come up with anything to get out of sight?

        Well, what is one more: everyone has long passed
        In general, SWIFT is an interbank system
        "MIR" - national payment
    2. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 25 December 2017 09: 19
      +2
      It is possible with a computer using the Fax program, processes payments in turn automatically and quickly, so there will be no dial-up problems when manually entering faxes
    3. katana
      katana 25 December 2017 09: 52
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Disconnecting from SWIFT will simply increase the transit time for payments by a week and that's it. They will switch to the old-fashioned method of transmitting data-telexes, teletypes.

      There are more proven methods - messengers, through pigeons.
    4. amirbek
      amirbek 25 December 2017 12: 42
      0
      Quote: Altona
      grandfather way of data transfer

      the figure 18 suggests a good multiplicity for the nonmono-polarity of the quantum interests of the financial world ... I’ll assume the birth of 3 atoms, 6 atoms and 9 whales or elephants whatever you want ... is it time to fill / supplement / move / bend the swift system with your insolent while phantom presence or location
  8. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 25 December 2017 09: 02
    +1
    I got this Gref to be honest ..... it’s not at all clear who he plays for ......
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 December 2017 11: 55
      0
      Well, as always - Gref plays only for Gref.
  9. Chichikov
    Chichikov 25 December 2017 09: 07
    +6
    Better to disconnect Greft, from Sberbank of Russia! Sberbank was originally a state bank, and not a bank of privatizers, which in the 90s were called correctly - "thieves in law" or "thieves in white collars".
    1. amirbek
      amirbek 25 December 2017 12: 52
      +1
      Quote: Chichikov
      not a bank of privatizers

      whatever the privatizers would have been amusing, if only they had time / with the ability to sniff out to rob Masonic lodges or as they are now called there
  10. NKT
    NKT 25 December 2017 09: 17
    +5

    In 2015, the Russian analogue of the SWIFT system was created - the Mir electronic settlement system.


    Why did the author think that WORLD is an analogue of SWIFT? MIR is a payment system, and the analogue of SWIFT is SPFS
    1. bk316
      bk316 25 December 2017 20: 04
      +2
      Because the author does not understand anything about this, that is, at all.
      Well, for him, that NSPK that SPFS, that SWIFT that VISA is all one. Where the moderators are looking.
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 25 December 2017 09: 17
    +5
    And what? Gref, who is afraid to enter Crimea, could threaten the West with something, or is this just another throw-in to the election?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 December 2017 11: 59
      +1
      Probably he began to sniff out that after the election he might be asked from the post of Sberbank - a holy place does not happen to be empty, even when it is occupied by someone else.
  12. Berkut154
    Berkut154 25 December 2017 09: 20
    +6
    The selling skins shook his nerves ... most of all, US sanctions will hit people like him. That fretted the count. Threatened with a finger))
  13. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 25 December 2017 09: 27
    +2
    Sberbank head German Gref warned the United States against imposing large-scale sanctions against Russia and said that if they were adopted, the Cold War would seem "child's play"

    in any way at the corporate house of "Sberbank" went through, was going to bite a master's hand ???
  14. IL-18
    IL-18 25 December 2017 09: 28
    +2
    Well, I do not like this Gref. There is no trust. And I do not know what he must do to restore this trust.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 December 2017 12: 01
      0
      Fairy tale - before the new year, for all Gref loans lower the interest rate to 10% per annum.
  15. Mu Dialer
    Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 09: 34
    +2
    Jokes, jokes, but sanctions really benefit us.
    So extend! :-)
  16. Topotun
    Topotun 25 December 2017 09: 36
    +2
    Gref decided to scare? Banker scares bankers? Not funny. And it’s very weak to believe that Gref will seriously stand for Russia (he wanted to say his country, but he’s not very sure that for him it is Russia).
  17. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 25 December 2017 09: 38
    0
    Ticking with Visa and MC !!! I urgently transfer pension and salary to the WORLD ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 December 2017 12: 03
      0
      Salary WORLD - Sberbank does not support.
    2. bk316
      bk316 25 December 2017 20: 07
      +2
      Ticking with Visa and MC !!! [

      So they are through the WORLD and work since 1.04.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX
  18. Bakht
    Bakht 25 December 2017 09: 43
    0
    If the West is so stupid as to impose sanctions in the banking sector, then these are the problems of the West. Disconnecting from Swift is not catastrophic. They say that they can confiscate the unjustly acquired. But all experience teaches that you can confiscate only once.
    Question to Western bankers. If you confiscate (seize) the deposits of Russian oligarchs, then in what currency will the money be injected? Or will all oligarchs immediately become honest and stop stealing? The seizure of oligarch accounts immediately bring down the dollar system. As well as the euro and the yen and any other Western currency. The export of capital will cease immediately. Where to export if accounts are blocked?
    It's a shame to lose a trillion bucks. But ... what are the prospects !!!! The export of capital from Russia will stop, because there will be nowhere to export. Did Gref think about this? Or is he only concerned with the SWIFT system? That is, he still wants to rob the country and export capital?
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 25 December 2017 10: 09
      +1
      Of course he wants to rob the country. The owners of the Fed can not confiscate the money of the oligarch of the Russian Federation at the same time, because the oligarch at once became a beggar, it is REALLY SCARY. Even I, an active supporter of the use of nuclear weapons at the nesting place of the owners of the Fed and their slaves, am horrified at what the "tattered" oligarchy of the Russian Federation will do. Therefore, the owners of the Fed will act subtler - by the method of "breaking the crowd", when you first bend only the weakest physically and mentally, and after reaching a certain critical mass in the crowd, the strong begin to bend.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 December 2017 12: 12
        0
        The tattered oligarchy will not do anything already, the guys will take their places a step lower, and these will remain on the women: depression, insomnia, alcoholism, madness and suicide, some will seek outs for a decent life, only not all of them will reach the end - and half of the oligarchs realize this, that a catastrophe can happen at any moment, all their property abroad can be taken away - arrested, at any moment.
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 25 December 2017 12: 45
          0
          You are new to human psychology. Irrevocably lose a lot, you can survive it, but with the loss of EVERYTHING and when it is clear who took everything from you, the person is demolished and if he has access to something dangerous (weapons, poisons, fire, information), he’s right there uses it without bothering. But in Ukraine there is no barrier, because even with such a development of events, the oligarch of the Russian Federation hopes to negotiate with the owners of the Fed, not realizing that there can be no agreements between a predator and prey.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 25 December 2017 12: 01
      +1
      Bakht, 09:43. But does the situation with the Chicago mafia resemble? There were also cool chelas with connections. They lived well, but not for long. Our oligarchs simply raved about life according to the laws of the West. Their dream comes true. What is the problem? Their dreams come true. Arrests of accounts will not bring down the dollar system at all. No one even noticed the arrest of Libya’s accounts.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 25 December 2017 13: 02
        +1
        And how many were arrested in Libya? A couple of hundred billion. They were exported from Russia and converted into dollars for twenty years. But this is a loot. This can hardly be returned.
        I ask about the future. What to convert loot? Elementary, who will invest money in the bank, if he knows for sure that in a month the account will be confiscated? The West lives off the robbery of the colonies. For this there is a comprador bourgeoisie. They can impressively pin down a couple of oligarchs. But the West will never risk destroying the entire system. And Gref in this situation is worried precisely for the loot of the oligarchs. "Do not touch SWIFT, otherwise we will not be able to transfer money to the West."
        1. 34 region
          34 region 25 December 2017 13: 44
          0
          Bakht, 13:02. Arresting accounts, the West does not destroy the system, but supports it. Removing extra money makes the system more stable. In the world system, the share of our oligarchs is not very large. Strangle a couple of our oligarchs and keep the rest alive? There is no point in this. They will choke everyone. The system has been tested for a long time and works without failures. Or a full package of punishments, or a deal with the investigation and relief. For the West, our oligarchs are tantamount to a street gang.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 25 December 2017 22: 49
            +1
            I do not agree. The system is based on trust. The banking system is in full trust. When you bring money to the bank, it means that you TRUST the money to the bank. With full guarantee that the money will be returned to you. If this guarantee does not exist, then there is no banking system. So a complete confiscation means a complete collapse of the banking system. You can, of course, cut the sickle into the balls. And even stay alive. But I assure you that there will be no children after this.
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 December 2017 09: 47
    +1
    Quote: katana
    another significant factor in isolating the Russian economy from the global, generally isolation

    Yes, you quit with far-fetched isolation. For over the past ten years, they have been isolating and tearing to shreds, all to nothing. And imagine if you isolate the Russian economy and finance from the world overnight, what can happen? The Russian economy has long been closely interconnected with the world.
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 25 December 2017 10: 50
      +1
      And what will happen? The share of the Russian economy on a global scale is only 2,5%. The only ones who will suffer and very seriously are the Russian banking sector.
  20. JonnyT
    JonnyT 25 December 2017 10: 02
    +1
    Throw in elections, If Russia is disconnected from Swift, it will be more difficult for Gref to invest in American debt obligations, it will be more difficult to withdraw money in the USA
  21. Altona
    Altona 25 December 2017 10: 04
    0
    Quote: Gardamir
    Well, since 2014, they haven’t come up with anything to get out of sight?

    -------------------------
    You ask me? I'm not a banker.
  22. Altona
    Altona 25 December 2017 10: 05
    0
    Quote: katana
    There are more proven methods - messengers, through pigeons.

    ---------------------------------------
    Armenia apparently still uses such a connection.
  23. Overlock
    Overlock 25 December 2017 10: 20
    0
    And the USA listened to him! Blah blah and nothing more. Although, if he is their agent, then maybe ....
  24. Overlock
    Overlock 25 December 2017 10: 23
    +3
    If the United States confiscates accounts such as Gref, then I will be very glad. Someone should teach them the same mind if GDP cannot. “Let the storm come soon for people like Gref” - that’s how M. Gorky would say
  25. Palch
    Palch 25 December 2017 10: 28
    +2
    Well, our huckster fussed ....... and the question is not simple, it is not a matter of SWIFT and the WORLD map. In fact, the question was posed before the huckster - either you are from BB and you lose everything acquired by overwork in the dashing 90s or with us and we will keep all your preferences and close our eyes to your pranks in the financial sphere and legislation.
  26. lukewarm
    lukewarm 25 December 2017 10: 38
    +2
    And what a heading !!!! Grefff !!! Pogreffff !!! Caution !!!!! Whom will he warn? Owners of their Western ??? He said that impose sanctions, we will be bo-bo. Is that not begged "Not naa-daaa !!!" In Crimea, which is ours, his office is, after all, sc ... oh, is afraid to work precisely because of sanctions.
  27. Overlock
    Overlock 25 December 2017 10: 58
    +1
    Gref clearly said what he was afraid of — specifically disconnecting from SWIFT and more broadly — excluding the Russian banking system from the international financial sphere.
    Imagine the actual exclusion of Russia or any other country altogether from the system of international payments, that is, withdrawal from the system of international trade. Russia, not North Korea, for us is the collapse of the entire system formed after 1991. A return to almost military communism - what do you think, under military communism, how many hours of life are given to Gref and his ilk? He is afraid, of course. But even at their own expense, not even personal only, but also the accumulations of the social group that he represents - they are mainly focused on "earning" here, and spending there ... Here, I'm afraid German Oskarovich will end his own, without waiting for the "military communists."
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 December 2017 12: 19
      0
      Gref will be defeated! - I do not believe.
  28. Draf-d
    Draf-d 25 December 2017 11: 14
    0
    SWIFT system speeds up interbank operations. But disconnecting a bank from it is not = closing it. Contracts and agreements will also be concluded and signed, only the fact of signing will be of a personal nature (arrival, meeting, signing, farewell, county). Perhaps this is not bad, because in the modern world, you cannot be completely sure that you are talking with the very person you wanted (this is about the stories with Vovan and Lexus). And about the movement of money, it’ll be like old time — a money train (or a plane, for example TU95 smile ), but your money in your pocket. So you look, and the whole world will reach for us.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 December 2017 12: 22
      0
      In Moscow, such carriers of money are plucked every day; one has 100 thousand bucks; another has 700; one has 2 lemons.
      1. Draf-d
        Draf-d 25 December 2017 12: 40
        0
        I also say that it is safer to transport money in cash under the protection of the military. On Mondays and Thursdays, 2-3 TU95, accompanied by the SU34 link, fly to Western Europe or the United States to transfer money. And we are calmer, and the pilots training.
        1. BVS
          BVS 25 December 2017 14: 03
          +1
          This is how much air fuelers need to be arranged along the route, to provide for their change and a new arrangement. And taking into account their small number (As of 2013, there are 6950 aircraft in a separate air group of 21 Guards Air Base (Ryazan).). And what to do after six months of such exploitation (motor resource will end). The laugh is simple.
  29. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 25 December 2017 11: 33
    +1
    World and SWIFT are not comparable in scale. If Russia is turned off, this will be isolation, and the "economy to shreds" and the "World" will not help. That Gref understands and mandraves in anticipation of this.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 December 2017 12: 24
      0
      It is only you who think so - as you worked, we will continue to work. Using other communication methods.
      1. BVS
        BVS 25 December 2017 14: 05
        +1
        Yes, Russia will work like that. But, other countries will NOT return to faxes.
    2. amirbek
      amirbek 25 December 2017 13: 13
      0
      Quote: 16112014nk
      World and SWIFT are not comparable in scale

      if you rename the WORLD to SWIST it will most likely really compete with Swift bully
  30. Mentat
    Mentat 25 December 2017 11: 49
    +1
    Quote: katana
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    Let's move on to the MIR cards.

    The main thing here is that all banks have time to connect to this system within the country ... before the "shutdown"

    The SWIFT money transfer system is, roughly speaking, just a logistics of money. Inside Russia, you will somehow connect your banks, but with foreign banks and the possibility of credit and money relations with foreign partners, you will be completely sealed. Turning off Swift will be another significant factor in isolating the Russian economy from the global, generally isolation of the Russian Federation. Surely the state banks of the Russian Federation will be the first to disconnect from Swift, which is why Gref warns, and in truth - the dude is a great coward.

    Oh, these “katanas”, pretending to be sharp, but actually making sounds of quack-quack of rubber ducks in a bathhouse for kids.
    Swift is not a clearing system. This is a telecommunication system that speeds up the transmission of information. After it is turned off, there will be no “seams”, but simply a slowdown in work and an increase in rustling with pieces of paper. Turning it off for Russia is petty dirty trickery, it cannot create any global problems in principle. However, it will be a certain step (deliberate sabotage) that will begin an open confrontation, which Gref said.
  31. 1536
    1536 25 December 2017 12: 03
    +1
    If you are always one step late, pacify the aggressor, call him a "partner" and, speaking with an interview to a foreign newspaper, warn someone, then you need to understand this gentleman that the Security Council will not only work in Crimea, but throughout Russia after the introduction of sanctions by the Americans? Is this a warning to us, or a receipt in your own impotence? If a warning, thanks! But what to do? Or maybe this is another “agreement” with American capital on the withdrawal of deposits?
    But perhaps this is “another special operation”, the script is gleaned from the tales of “Uncle Remus”, where Brother Rabbit begs Brother Brother Fox not to throw him in a thorn bush, but when he finds himself in it, he is glad that he has deceived the stupid Fox, because Brother Rabbit is in the blackthorn like at home.
  32. 23424636
    23424636 25 December 2017 13: 45
    0
    Gref promised them to complain to the Jewish Defense League about the machinations of niggas, what did the niggas ask Trump where to answer this liquid vagina? And the German cunningly asked the dumbheads what kind of capital of Judostana, and the niggas in confusion found their secret residence in Kafa on Wikipedia for which Gref’s great-grandmother -Rosalia Zalkid baked kara-wai from kosher crabs after which niggas fell to the bottom. And the triumphant Gref punched a hole in the lapel of his jacket for the next order.
  33. Drozdov
    Drozdov 1 January 2018 16: 11
    0
    Shame on Gref to use his advantage in the weight category ...
    some feeble Fushington from his "Goliath" warning should urgently tremble, bite his nails and move the gray matter of the brain .. open a representative office in the Crimea, a young man, a descendant of the crusaders ...