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The anniversary of the crash of the Tu-154 Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation over the Black Sea

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Today it is exactly one year since the day of the plane crash of the Russian Defense Ministry over the Black Sea. We are talking about the Tu-154 aircraft, on board of which artists of the Aleksandrov ensemble, representatives of the media, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and Elizaveta Glinka (Dr. Lisa), the executive director of the human rights foundation, were sent to Syria. There were a total of 92 people aboard, including 8 crew members. They all died.
The plane fell into the water a few kilometers off the coast of Sochi, taking off from Adler airport, where it landed to refuel after taking off from an airfield in the Moscow region.
About 2016 thousand people and over 2017 units of various vehicles, including descent vehicles, took part in the search and rescue operation in December 3,5 - January 80. It was investigated about 140 square kilometers of the sea surface.
Experts during the investigation established that the plane almost completely collapsed when it hit the surface of the water. Most of the wreckage of the Tu-154 was found at a depth of about 60 m. During the operation, 19 bodies were found and identified. In addition, more than 200 fragments of the bodies of the victims were sent to special laboratories.
It is known that all the “black boxes” of the Russian Defense Ministry aircraft were raised from the bottom of the sea. Despite this, the official results of the investigation into the causes of the crash have not yet been presented. Moreover, the Investigation Committee stated that the investigation would be extended again - to "conduct complex examinations". Reports about it "Russian newspaper".
Earlier in the press appeared all sorts of versions, among which were these:
the aircraft commander experienced spatial disorientation, "confusing the sky and the surface of the sea";
the plane was overloaded, against the background of which the crew of the Tu-154 made a mistake.
The anniversary of the crash of the Tu-154 Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation over the Black Sea

Today in Sochi on the Black Sea coast will be held an action in memory of the victims of that tragedy.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 December 2017 06: 27 New
    +9
    ... People are always sorry ... Heaven is their kingdom!
    God bless the souls of the dead and forgive them for their sins, free and involuntary, and grant them the kingdom of heaven!
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 December 2017 06: 34 New
      +7
      Earlier in the press appeared all sorts of versions, among which were these:
      the aircraft commander experienced spatial disorientation, "confusing the sky and the surface of the sea";
      the plane was overloaded, on the background of which the Tu-154 crew members made a mistake

      Can the author just honor the memory of the dead? Instead of throwing thunder and lightning here. Alena Frolovna thanks for the article in the "Opinions" sectionGuys Will Live. Eternal Memory.
      1. Titsen
        Titsen 25 December 2017 06: 41 New
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        Quote: 79807420129
        The author may just honor the memory of the dead? And do not throw thunder and lightning here.


        It throws right - they hide the truth!

        The bureaucrats of the Moscow Region defending their ZDC are deceiving taxpayers for whose money they are deceiving!
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 25 December 2017 06: 44 New
          +7
          Quote: Titsen
          It throws right - they hide the truth!

          Bozhena Rynska? You don’t have to play on feelings, elections by elections, but you won’t make points for mourning, you have to be people first of all. Everyone has only money on their minds and their conscience was thrown into the back alley. negative
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 25 December 2017 08: 19 New
            0
            I would not be surprised if that 154 was shot down from MANPADS. But the truth we still do not know.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 25 December 2017 09: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              I would not be surprised if that 154 was shot down from MANPADS.

              it would have been proven a long time ago. there are eyewitnesses who saw the moment of disaster. they probably would have seen a trace from MANPADS
              1. tomket
                tomket 25 December 2017 11: 49 New
                +3
                Quote: LSA57
                it would have been proven a long time ago. there are eyewitnesses who saw the moment of disaster. they probably would have seen a trace from MANPADS

                Yeah, at 5 in the morning the keen eye sat there. Who saw everything.
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 25 December 2017 12: 38 New
                  +3
                  Quote: tomket
                  Yeah, at 5 in the morning the keen eye sat there. Who saw everything.

                  saw. he was fishing in the sea. it was shown on TV
                  1. tomket
                    tomket 25 December 2017 14: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: LSA57
                    saw. he was fishing in the sea. it was shown on TV

                    And he and PNV caught fish there?
                    Quote: LSA57
                    it was shown on TV

                    Now TV is generally not credible. Few things were shown there.
                    1. LSA57
                      LSA57 25 December 2017 14: 35 New
                      +2
                      Quote: tomket
                      And he and PNV caught fish there?

                      he saw everything perfectly and told with all the details
                      Now TV is generally not credible. Few things were shown there.

                      and who is the authority ????? OBS (one grandmother said) ????
                      where do you then get your fiction that you’ve hidden everything and hide everything ???? ask yourself a question, WHY ????? why it was necessary to bring down dancers from MANPADS ????
            2. tomket
              tomket 25 December 2017 12: 03 New
              +3
              Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              I would not be surprised if that 154 was shot down from MANPADS. But the truth we still do not know.

              Somehow they are in no hurry to bring it to us. Conclusion ? They probably think that knowing the truth is not necessary. We’ll sleep better.
            3. LSA57
              LSA57 25 December 2017 14: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              I would not be surprised if that 154 was shot down from MANPADS.

              great target dancers, doctor and journalists
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 25 December 2017 09: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Titsen
          It throws right - they hide the truth!

          what for? you can’t put a scarf on each mouth. the truth will come up anyway.
          The bureaucrats of the Moscow Region defending their ZDC are deceiving taxpayers for whose money they are deceiving!

          and the officials of the Ministry of Defense in general? what should they protect?
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 25 December 2017 06: 41 New
      +9
      Or we have a consequence of trouble, or there is something to hide. In addition to versions - nichrome!
      1. Alena Frolovna
        Alena Frolovna 25 December 2017 06: 48 New
        +8
        It is possible today without politics and litigation.

        Just remember, shut up, put, who can candle in the temple, honor the memory of those who went to Eternity!
    3. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 25 December 2017 06: 44 New
      +4
      Gone ..., untimely, inappropriately, forever,
      leaving only memories and pain ...


      Do not hesitate, we will meet them again,
      Since there is no death after death.


      One moment there is equal to centuries
      The price of love is the indestructible light
      The sacred essence behind this
      Sacred forces indestructible trace:

      Do not hesitate, we will meet them again,
      Since there is no death after death!

      Yunna Moritz
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 25 December 2017 06: 54 New
    +2
    Remember, and God forbid, all our lives we will remember who we lost! hi Peace be upon them! soldier May they forgive us for their premature departure from us!
  3. cannabis
    cannabis 25 December 2017 07: 01 New
    +2
    Boeing fell to Ukraine, but was supposed to fall on Rasey. There are no investigation results. Tu-154 fell in Rasea, but was supposed to fall on Turkey. There are no investigation results. In the first case, the blame could reasonably be blamed on Rasea, in the second on Erdogan. He was framed three times - they shot down SU, killed the ambassador and plotted. A downed plane would be the fourth trump card. Rasea managed to save Erdogan.
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 December 2017 07: 19 New
      10
      Quote: cunning
      Rasee

      Well, you’re nice to me, if you live in your own country, Rasea, it’s your business, in Russia it’s different. wink
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 25 December 2017 07: 31 New
        +3
        My grandmother is from Simbirsk province. All her life she has lived in Siberia, and her homeland was called Rasey. I just follow the traditions of my ancestors. I do not like the name Russia, I like the name of my country, RUSSIA,
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 25 December 2017 09: 00 New
          +5
          Quote: cunning
          I do not like the name Russia, I like the name of my country RUSSIA

          All the same, Russia or Rasea? Russia is almost mythical, epic, but quite respectful name. And in the 21 century, “Rasea” sounds boorish, especially against the background of strictly respectful mention in the text of “Turkey” and “Ukraine”, and not “Osmania” with “Khokhlyandia”.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 25 December 2017 10: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: cunning
          My grandmother is from Simbirsk province. All her life she has lived in Siberia, and her homeland was called Rasey. I just follow the traditions of my ancestors. I do not like the name Russia, I like the name of my country, RUSSIA,

          And if your grandmother called her country "Raska" like banderlogs, would you, too, like an ass, repeat this? By the way, "Rasea" is the favorite name of our country for xxlotrolles and liberties.
    2. Romulus
      Romulus 25 December 2017 07: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: cunning
      Erdogan. He was framed three times

      Judging by the text, devoid of meaning - you are a Turk, and not a "scatter" if you follow the twists of your "thought"
      Better ride the horses ..
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 25 December 2017 07: 32 New
        +1
        If you don’t have enough mind to comprehend the meaning of what you read, then it is better to be silent - you will marry a smart one.
        1. Romulus
          Romulus 25 December 2017 07: 36 New
          +5
          Quote: Romulus
          Judging by the text, meaningless

          My grandmother is from Simbirsk province, but where is it? Someone smelled like a baker)
          Well, it means so and remember, the grandson of the officer tongue
          1. cannabis
            cannabis 25 December 2017 08: 10 New
            0
            To suspect you of a noble birth means to offend the banner of the ideals of the revolution. So to summarize - the proletariat! Proletarians, have you all united against Russia there, or are you still biting among you?
    3. Herculesic
      Herculesic 25 December 2017 07: 32 New
      +7
      Konoprav-hello, daughter of an ambiguous officer, or an ambiguous daughter of an officer !!!! lol fool
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 25 December 2017 07: 35 New
        +1
        Hello, tugboat commander fellow
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 December 2017 07: 41 New
          10
          Quote: cunning
          Hello, tugboat commander fellow

          Senseless...
          1. cannabis
            cannabis 25 December 2017 07: 45 New
            +1
            And here’s the destroyer “Frivolous” destroyer commander!
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 25 December 2017 09: 31 New
              +3
              Quote: cunning
              And here’s the destroyer “Frivolous” destroyer commander!

              managed to bark everyone laughing
          2. Alena Frolovna
            Alena Frolovna 25 December 2017 09: 52 New
            +3
            Correctly according to pre-revolutionary spelling it is "Beзmeaningful. "
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 25 December 2017 09: 53 New
              11
              Quote: Alena Frolovna
              Correctly according to pre-revolutionary spelling it is "Beзmeaningful. "

              With all due respect to you, but we still live today, one hundred years after the revolution.
              Total: not in cash laughing
            2. cannabis
              cannabis 25 December 2017 10: 27 New
              0
              For a century now we have been under the pressure of an alien culture. All primordially Russian is being defamed and destroyed, starting with language and traditions. Today is a Slavic holiday - Kolovrat, at least someone remembered this? But the fallen or downed Russian plane was shot down precisely on a Slavic holiday! I'm not talking about carols, mummers, carousels on ice. Our grandchildren grow up in an atmosphere completely alien to the Russian spirit. In Russia, Russia now does not smell!
    4. LSA57
      LSA57 25 December 2017 09: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: cunning
      A downed plane would be the fourth trump card.

      about how. and who then brought him down?
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 25 December 2017 10: 05 New
        0
        Let's re-enter, without emotion, back to my statement and compare all known facts. If after the accident the part from which the plane took off was disbanded, what does this mean? The fact that the ends must be sought at the start, where explosives could be laid. If the plane had not landed, then it would surely have crashed in Turkey. Here’s the fact for you - try “wash off”, prove that you didn’t bring him down! Natural cooling of relations between Moscow and Ankara at least. Now about who benefits from it ... and to those who are now defaming Erdogan (Turkey) and "not allowing" his admission to the European Union. I am not a politician and I don’t have secrets, I just got the idea and expressed it. Since each of us. And as for your previous post, I’ll say that if you start to criticize and “run over” more than one opponent, then this is already called Harassment. And it is ugly and ignoble.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 25 December 2017 11: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: cunning
          If the plane didn’t land,

          so the landing was PLANNED. and everyone knew about it. and he stayed in Sochi for more than one hour. It is IMPOSSIBLE to calculate the time of the explosion when it is not clear at what time the board will be in a certain place.
          that if they start to criticize and “run over” more than one opponent,

          you do not give the right to speak to all eligible to vote?
          and if supported? what would they call it? laughing
          1. cannabis
            cannabis 25 December 2017 11: 18 New
            0
            What are you "voices" here are very angry, like a pack of dogs. I’ve gotten used to it for a long time - if they bark at me, then I'm right.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 25 December 2017 11: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: cunning
              I’ve gotten used to it for a long time - if they bark at me, then I'm right.

              oh how laughing and no one supported nirazu? laughing
              1. cannabis
                cannabis 25 December 2017 11: 31 New
                0
                My subordinates usually supported me, at all stages. So reliable.
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 25 December 2017 11: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: cunning
                  My subordinates usually supported me, at all stages.

                  well yes, the support of the SUBJECT is a great thing laughing it seems this is called an administrative resource lol
                  1. cannabis
                    cannabis 25 December 2017 12: 00 New
                    +1
                    Looks very jealous yes? ... okay, well, no luck with Entim, lucky in love. Maybe ....... You would have changed the profile. The Germans lure customers with such a figure.
                    1. LSA57
                      LSA57 25 December 2017 12: 04 New
                      +3
                      Quote: cunning
                      Looks very jealous yes? ...

                      Nope. I'm retired, no subordinates laughing
                      The Germans lure customers with such a figure.

                      I am Russian and I live in Russia and I do not care what and how the Germans mean
                    2. Alex_59
                      Alex_59 25 December 2017 12: 50 New
                      +3
                      Quote: cunning
                      The Germans lure customers with such a figure.

                      And you honor the traditions of not only grandmothers, but also of all the peoples of the world. Funny)))
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 25 December 2017 14: 39 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex_59
                        but all the nations of the world. Funny)))

                        Papuans loves laughing
  4. Alex_59
    Alex_59 25 December 2017 07: 31 New
    +3
    Used photos: business.ua

    ua? I don’t have my own photo resources, it’s necessary from the ua zone ...
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 25 December 2017 07: 42 New
    +5
    The plane fell into the water a few kilometers from the coast of big Sochi,
    - Speak directly. Against the Hosta. I fell so that vacationers who didn’t sleep heard the “peal of the city” that morning. And the double-glazed windows burst on some windows of the upper floors facing the sea. (A few days later the boarding house employees were surprised at this fact ?)
    Experts during the investigation found that the plane when it hit the surface of the water almost completely collapsed. Most debris
    The plane crashed at minimum speed, and the height is not big. You can see in the photo that the whole plane is a bunch of minimum size. Separate details. Even were torn. Well and
    : During the operation, 19 bodies of the dead were discovered and identified. In addition, more than 200 fragments of the bodies of the victims of the crash were sent to special laboratories.
    This also says a lot. When Ukrainians shot down Tu154 above the sea, the plane fell from a great height and there were more whole bodies. (According to the Ministry of Emergency Situations)
    It is known that from the bottom of the sea all the "black boxes" of the aircraft of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation were lifted. Despite this, the official results of the investigation into the causes of the crash of the airliner have not yet been submitted. Moreover, the Investigative Committee said that the investigation will be extended again - for "conducting complex examinations."
    It can be clearly seen that the authorities themselves want to get to the truth. Let them continue to work. And that the search operation was really large. Yes, and the beaches were closed for half a year even for fishing.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 25 December 2017 09: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      When Ukrainians shot down Tu154 over the sea, the plane fell from a great height, and there were more whole bodies.

      Well, that’s just logical. It fell apart at a great height and everything inside was just pulled out. If a person is dropped into the sea without a parachute from 10 km, then his body will not be torn apart when he hits the water in pieces. The result - a lot of whole bodies scattered over a large area and only some are badly damaged (those who were sitting next to the undermining of the warhead missiles or in the places where the fuselage was broken).
      And in Sochi, the plane hit the water and flew head over heels hitting the surface, and breaking at the same time. It is logical that those inside were severely crippled by breaking structures, and as they were divided into fragments during movement along the water, they were scattered along the path of a dying aircraft. It is also logical.
      Quote: Observer2014
      It is clearly seen that the authorities themselves want to get to the truth.

      Almost 100% of the plane died due to no deliberate sabotage or attack. They didn’t shoot him down, they didn’t blow him up.
  6. Moskovit
    Moskovit 25 December 2017 08: 17 New
    0
    The truth is bitter and uncomfortable ... but it is needed to save thousands of lives. Eternal memory to the heroes who died in the war. And they died defending the country.
  7. Berkut154
    Berkut154 25 December 2017 09: 14 New
    +2
    Take off according to the method of reducing noise, a useless but quite dangerous maneuver. It requires very precise control of speed, including vertical.
    1. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 25 December 2017 09: 40 New
      +1
      What is the noise reduction technique? As far as I know, takeoff was performed on takeoff mode.
      1. Berkut154
        Berkut154 25 December 2017 09: 48 New
        +2
        After takeoff, the engines are throttled and the speed must be maintained V2 + 40, up to 1000 meters and the passage of noise control posts. Therefore, they wanted to flap flaps at 500 meters ....
  8. Overlock
    Overlock 25 December 2017 10: 50 New
    0
    Sorry, very sorry. Sorry. that people leave for someone else's stupidity, oversight. It is even more unfortunate that this stupidity is hidden and blamed for the innocent and the dead. Eternal memory of the innocently murdered.
  9. Overlock
    Overlock 25 December 2017 10: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: Alex_59
    They didn’t shoot him down, they didn’t blow him up.

    he just fell. And the Kursk simply drowned. I did not expect anything else from the authorities. With our “pocket” investigation and justice for those in power, there will never be otherwise.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 25 December 2017 11: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Overlock
      I did not expect anything else from the authorities.

      Maybe you will like it more in North Korea. There, the authorities honestly always say that the enemies are to blame. Whatever happened, exploded, fell, broke - always enemies. But a Korean cannot squint himself under such wise guidance, right?
      In my opinion, our authorities are extremely honest. I can’t say about Kursk, it’s far from the topic, maybe something is really not clean there. And with the Tu-154 ... well, what's the point of hiding? Even if it is a terrorist attack or attack. Cover up those who screwed up? Yes, hundreds of cases were when someone screwed up, and no one is hiding - both the bombings in the subway and the Egyptian Airbus. Sometimes, unfortunately, in the sequence of events arranged by our enemies there are also our own mistakes, and equipment can sometimes fail.
      1. tomket
        tomket 25 December 2017 12: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Alex_59
        Maybe you will like it more in North Korea

        I do not mind if Chubaki (Chubais) and Perdyukov addition from anti-aircraft guns)))))
        Quote: Alex_59
        There, the authorities honestly always say that the enemies are to blame.

        And now they tell us that there are no enemies)))) It somehow all plundered, broke, screwed up. But there are no perpetrators and enemies))))
        Quote: Alex_59
        But a Korean cannot squint himself under such wise guidance, right?

        Well, such respected people like the ones listed above cannot steal and break))) Right?)
        Quote: Alex_59
        And with the Tu-154 ... well, what's the point of hiding?

        If you know the official version of what happened, then please share. I haven’t heard and don’t know. And already a year has passed. If this is not concealment or silence, then what?
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 25 December 2017 12: 31 New
          0
          Quote: tomket
          If you know the official version of what happened, then please share. I haven’t heard and don’t know.
          And what does that change? Those who think "that everything is hidden from us" will say these scans of linden. And those who deal with aviation a little and they do not need these reports. Everything has already leaked to the media in May. The link is below.
          http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2017/12/25/273459/krushen
          ie-rossijskogo-samolet-tu-154-upal-v-chernom-more
          -92-pogibshix-xronika-sobytij-fakty-rassledovanie

          Quote: tomket
          I do not mind if Chubaki (Chubais) and Perdyukov addition from anti-aircraft guns)))))

          I would also be glad, but if the lifestyle of the “North Korean” is mandatory with this, then I will probably tolerate these personalities until they themselves are attached. I do not want to eat grass even under the broadcast of the execution of the redhead.
  10. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 25 December 2017 12: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: tomket
    Quote: Alex_59
    Maybe you will like it more in North Korea

    I do not mind if Chubaki (Chubais) and Perdyukov addition from anti-aircraft guns)))))
    Quote: Alex_59
    There, the authorities honestly always say that the enemies are to blame.

    And now they tell us that there are no enemies)))) It somehow all plundered, broke, screwed up. But there are no perpetrators and enemies))))
    Quote: Alex_59
    But a Korean cannot squint himself under such wise guidance, right?

    Well, such respected people like the ones listed above cannot steal and break))) Right?)
    Quote: Alex_59
    And with the Tu-154 ... well, what's the point of hiding?

    If you know the official version of what happened, then please share. I haven’t heard and don’t know. And already a year has passed. If this is not concealment or silence, then what?

    And you find out. In short:
    - unstable emotional state of the FAC: at a speed of 70 km / h, he began nervously asking the crew for a take-off course, nervous negotiations on the take-off;
    - flap cleaning at an altitude of 157 m instead of the agreed 500, which led to an aircraft drawdown, and coupled with the deviation of the FAC of the helm from itself, led the aircraft to a pitch of 1,5 degrees, the vertical speed of decrease is 6-8 m / s.
    - the SSAS worked (dangerous land), the PIC turned the helm column from the right to the left, gave the leg to the left. A plane with a left roll was down. After that, the commander completely lost the spatial orientation and his actions on the governing bodies became inadequate for the situation.
    After the alarm was triggered, the bank was big, the PIC energetically turned the helm to the right to the maximum, but due to lack of time and altitude, this did not help ...
    That's all. No MANPADS, no explosion ...
    1. tomket
      tomket 25 December 2017 14: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: dmmyak40
      And you find out. In short:
      - unstable emotional state of the FAC: at a speed of 70 km / h, he began nervously asking the crew for a take-off course, nervous negotiations on the take-off;

      The last thing I heard about the Black Boxes is that they cannot be decrypted due to the lack of specialist equipment. And some kind of linden was still thrown from some other disaster. Well, if all of the above is true, then what is the problem of publicizing and completing the investigation? In order not to produce ridiculous guesses? Still clear as God's day. However, they are silent ....
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 25 December 2017 15: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: tomket
        Still clear as God's day. However, they are silent ....

        Yes, you just listened when it went through the media. And the scans of the report were thrown out. It was in May. No one is silent; it was the fray about these reports.
    2. Berkut154
      Berkut154 25 December 2017 14: 59 New
      +2
      In general, there are many strange things: what did the PCC and w do? What prevented the shoes from being removed before starting, why was there a confusion in the search for a preliminary having a fang on his nose ???? Some questions !!! This snowball was accumulating long before the flight! The flap cleaning team was a complete surprise for the crew, the ausp worked ... and away we go ... and there is still no data on the operating modes of 3 control systems ..
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 25 December 2017 15: 08 New
      0
      In short, the crew is to blame!
      MOSCOW, December 25. / TASS /. The Tu-154 plane, crashed on December 25 near Sochi, was controlled by an experienced first-class pilot Roman Volkov. This was reported in the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

      "The Tu-154 aircraft of the Military Transport Aviation of the Ministry of Defense of Russia was controlled by an experienced pilot, Roman A. Volkov. Roman Volkov is a first-class pilot. Total flight time is more than three thousand hours," the report said.


      More on TASS:
      http://tass.ru/proisshestviya/3904458
      1. Berkut154
        Berkut154 25 December 2017 15: 48 New
        +3
        And who is the plane? The crew is always to blame, because he controls the plane. In our case, technically sound. The investigation will have to prove the degree of fault of the crew and the factors that contributed to this and identify the perpetrators responsible on the ground for the flight training and organization.
  11. Overlock
    Overlock 25 December 2017 14: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Alex_59
    There, the authorities honestly always say that the enemies are to blame.

    so America is to blame for everything
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 25 December 2017 15: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Overlock
      so America is to blame for everything

      Well, as you see, not in everything. Tu-154 fell without the participation of America, as the authorities honestly say. But the people are again unhappy - they hide the truth from us. But what should the authorities do if the truth is a “pilot error”? They said so. And again, not thank God!
  12. Overlock
    Overlock 25 December 2017 15: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Alex_59
    And what does that change?

    why then the consequences? All alone will not change anything! Why the presidential election is still nothing will change. This is the logic of your words
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 25 December 2017 15: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Overlock
      This is the logic of your words

      The logic of my words is that for most ordinary people far from aviation, even if there is a count on their head, they still know "what the authorities are hiding." It makes no sense to spend energy on persuading them - it is useless. As with the Poles - how can you convince them that Kaczynski himself was killed? They do not want to recognize. The conspiracy, sabotage of the Russians, the terrorist attack, the wounded were finished off, even the version that the birch jumped and shot down the plane - everything will come down, if only he wouldn’t be killed.
      And the consequence and the election for normal people.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 25 December 2017 16: 18 New
        0
        don't find it strange. that the Polish Tu and the birch were decoded in 1 month. With our Tu-year?
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 25 December 2017 20: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Overlock
          don't find it strange. that the Polish Tu and the birch were decoded in 1 month. With our Tu-year?

          No, I can’t find it. As well as the fact that the Malaysian Boeing was not decrypted after several years. Each situation has its own difficulties - this is the time. Secondly, Sochi Tu was a military man. The military is not inclined to publicity, you should not expect from them the same openness as from civilians. And thirdly, since the topic of air accidents is so interesting to you, go to the IAC website - there all the reports are posted, for all incidents. Read it! Just a warning - for someone who does not understand the essence, it is akin to reading Bradis tables - you can fall asleep. This is a very dreary business. On the question of timelines - there other investigations take two years each. The main thing is to get to the bottom of the truth, and not to blind something faster.
  13. Overlock
    Overlock 25 December 2017 16: 17 New
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    But the people are again unhappy - they hide the truth from us.

    and what, the government did not lie to the people? Once a liar is hard to cheat
  14. Overlock
    Overlock 25 December 2017 16: 23 New
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    unstable emotional state of pic

    Why?
    Quote: dmmyak40
    - flap cleaning at a height of 157 m instead
    agreed 500, which led to a drawdown

    Why?

    Quote: dmmyak40
    After that, the commander completely lost spatial orientation

    Why?
    And say everything is clear, everything is known
  15. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 25 December 2017 19: 06 New
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    Quote: Overlock
    Quote: dmmyak40
    unstable emotional state of pic

    Why?
    Quote: dmmyak40
    - flap cleaning at a height of 157 m instead
    agreed 500, which led to a drawdown

    Why?

    Quote: dmmyak40
    After that, the commander completely lost spatial orientation

    Why?
    And say everything is clear, everything is known

    1. Why? Why can he do a lot of things: the authorities were in a hurry, the weather was rushing, fatigue ... Answer why, in 197--, when taking off from Leningrad to Il-18, the Armenian crew did not dissolve the rudders, did not release the mechanism and did not read the control cards?
    2. And why in the crash of Tu-154 (I do not remember, in Siberia) the crew lost speed in the 4th turn and fell into a tailspin? Have an answer? Although any pilot knows that "it is better to lose a wife than speed in the fourth U-turn."
    3. Direct roll indication on the flight control device (PKP).
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 25 December 2017 19: 49 New
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      1. Here also attribute the catastrophe 154 near Uchkuduk and Khabarovsk ..
      2. There was 154 ak Siberia when landing in Irkutsk.
      3. And what of this?
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 25 December 2017 19: 53 New
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        perhaps dmmyak40 decided to list all the accidents of civilian rock ships
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 25 December 2017 20: 47 New
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          Quote: Overlock
          maybe dmmyak40 decided to list all the accidents of civilian rock ships

          He writes everything correctly.
          In aviation, there were more severe cases. For example, in the 90 years, an Airbus crashed, in which the PIC landed at the helm at the helm of his son. And he sat up in a chair and began to get out and pushed the helm (apparently there were still helms there, and not joysticks right now). Well, I cut this autopilot (overpowering). As a result, the plane went into a peak, KVS pushed overload, and while he climbed into the chair it was too late. All died. How can this be?
          And before that there was a case - the FAC and the second on the Tu-134 argued that the FAC would sit blindly. Ordinary flight with people, Soviet time, i.e. everything is still pretty strict. Well, they sat down like this - with curtains at the FAC. By instruments. We got into the strip, but flopped off with an unbelievable overload, they killed the plane, and several people died. FAC sort of planted. Also sabotage, the authorities are hiding?
          Here is such gouging. And unintentional mistakes .... well, we are all people. All of us, even with experience, sometimes mow.
  16. Overlock
    Overlock 25 December 2017 20: 50 New
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    for some reason I got sick
  17. earloop
    earloop 25 December 2017 21: 47 New
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    It’s not for me to judge the actions of the summer squad. In life, there are often situations in which, high qualification conflicts with security. Moreover, the causes of such contradictions are due to the psychophysiological state of a person.
  18. Cetron
    Cetron 25 December 2017 22: 14 New
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    great target dancers, doctor and journalists

    Dr. Lisa I managed a charity fund (I didn’t give anyone food from it), and there is a lot of money. Over the past year, have you heard a lot about the work of this fund? Where is the help for the children of war victims? Here, many will not spare any MANPADS, the rest for them is just secondary garbage.
  19. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 25 December 2017 23: 03 New
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    Quote: Alex_59
    Quote: Overlock
    maybe dmmyak40 decided to list all the accidents of civilian rock ships

    He writes everything correctly.
    In aviation, there were more severe cases. For example, in the 90 years, an Airbus crashed, in which the PIC landed at the helm at the helm of his son. And he sat up in a chair and began to get out and pushed the helm (apparently there were still helms there, and not joysticks right now). Well, I cut this autopilot (overpowering). As a result, the plane went into a peak, KVS pushed overload, and while he climbed into the chair it was too late. All died. How can this be?
    And before that there was a case - the FAC and the second on the Tu-134 argued that the FAC would sit blindly. Ordinary flight with people, Soviet time, i.e. everything is still pretty strict. Well, they sat down like this - with curtains at the FAC. By instruments. We got into the strip, but flopped off with an unbelievable overload, they killed the plane, and several people died. FAC sort of planted. Also sabotage, the authorities are hiding?
    Here is such gouging. And unintentional mistakes .... well, we are all people. All of us, even with experience, sometimes mow.

    Saying that the child pushed the helm and overpowered knocked out the autopilot in the A-310 crash near Mezhdurechensk is not entirely true. When the autopilot was on, the child first created a roll to the left, which the autopilot countered by deviating the right aileron, then there was a right roll, counterbalanced by the AP with a left roll. There was nothing wrong with that, and that is how autopilot works. The problem was that as a result of the right and left roll, resistance to the steering machine appeared, which led to the autopilot being turned off. The worst thing is that, as was established later, the actual effort to turn off the AP was less than that specified in the RLE. And then the helms remained in position (with a roll) at the time of shutdown of the AP. What is even more worthless, the ABSU alarm did not work on turning off the AP and turning it into helm mode, while the indicator showed the operation of the AP. Then someone else added the right roll, the steering wheel shook, they went beyond the critical angles of attack and they went into a spin with rotation. As for the role of the son, at some point he blocked the co-pilot’s actions with the helm and did not allow him to straighten the roll. It would save the board, no one knows.
    As for the "blind" landing of the Tu-134 Grozny detachment in Kurumoch, there is generally such a level of idiocy that it is still impossible to understand how this could happen. I'm not talking about blind approach, but to enter the joint venture knowing that the course-glide path system is not working? This is approximately the same as driving out at night already at dusk knowing that your headlights do not work at all. But you are leaving ... Of the 94 people on board, 70 were killed ... Sorry for the people, they trusted, as they thought, to the professionals.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 26 December 2017 09: 53 New
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      Quote: dmmyak40
      Saying that the child pushed the helm and overpowered knocked out an autopilot in the A-310 crash near Mezhdurechensk is not entirely true.

      Well, maybe I don’t remember all the details by heart.
      Quote: dmmyak40
      Of the 94 people on board, 70 died ... Sorry for the people, they trusted, as they thought, to the professionals.

      I am glad that this is an exception. More such enchanting nonsense in the history of our aviation was not.
  20. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 25 December 2017 23: 04 New
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    Quote: earloop
    It’s not for me to judge the actions of the summer squad. In life, there are often situations in which, high qualification conflicts with security. Moreover, the causes of such contradictions are due to the psychophysiological state of a person.

    It seems that according to statistics, newcomers and very experienced drivers often beat on the roads: the first because of little experience, the second because of self-confidence.
    GOOD AT YOU NONE OF VOLGA, SKY? wassat