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Russian experts are exploring a new facility, similar to the San Juan diesel-electric submarine.

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Russian experts with the help of the uninhabited submersible Panther Plus are exploring another object off the coast of Argentina, similar to the submarine San Juan that disappeared more than a month ago, reports RIA News.




The destroyer Sarandi discovered a new object that will be examined by the vessel Malvinas Islands, on board of which is the Russian remote-controlled device Panther Plus,
says the release of the Argentine Navy.

It is also reported that "the research vessel of the Russian Navy" Yantar "sailed from Montevideo to Uruguay on Saturday and is heading for the search zone of the submarine." It is expected that the crew of the vessel again begin the search on Monday.

Earlier it was reported that Yantar was in Montevideo to resupply in order to return to the San Juan search zone again.

Recall, diesel-electric submarines "San Juan" stopped communicating on November 15 communication at the transition from the naval base of Ushuaia to Mar del Plata. On board were 44 man. Representatives of the Navy reported a single explosion, which may be associated with the disappearance of the submarine.

Russia joined the search in late November. The Panther Plus complex is designed to locate and survey emergency and sunken objects at a depth of one kilometer. The research vessel "Yantar" is also equipped with deep-sea apparatuses, which allow to conduct searches at a depth of six kilometers.
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  1. Jedi
    Jedi 24 December 2017 12: 45 New
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    God forbid to find the lost submarine and calm the sailors according to tradition. About the establishment of the causes of death and I do not lead ...
    1. Karakut
      Karakut 24 December 2017 13: 01 New
      +3
      I think our bookmarks are being set there ... And these guys have already died ..!
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 24 December 2017 19: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: Jedi
        God forbid to find the lost submarine and calm the sailors according to tradition. [/ Thumb]

        The Australians recently found their submarine, sank in the 1914th.
        http://medialeaks.ru/2112phk-straya-submarine/
        So, they officially said that they would not raise it. Not because they regretted the money. It’s just that different peoples have a different attitude to "rest".
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 24 December 2017 21: 30 New
          +2
          It is not necessary to raise, but to hold a farewell service for believers, to give relatives of non-believers just to say goodbye to their people and place a memorial sign at the bottom of the boat, and also put the coordinates of the underwater mass grave on maps.
    2. Maz
      Maz 24 December 2017 22: 10 New
      +2
      If ours find San Juan, the image of the US Khan. They will be despised as animals on all seas. And their friends too. But the image of the Navy and Russia is higher than the clouds. Not all the Lord God rejoices in miracles. Only to the elect. In this century, these are clearly not Jews. Right
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 24 December 2017 22: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Maz
        If ours find San Juan, the image of the US Khan. They will be despised as animals on all seas. And their friends too. But the image of the Navy and Russia is higher than the clouds. Not all the Lord God rejoices in miracles. Only to the elect. In this century, these are clearly not Jews. Right


        is there really such a mess in your head?
        Have you ever been released from the ward for the weekend?
        Do you see the Epiphany every night?

        Still start drinking haloperidol ...
        He is more important to you than vodka.
  2. HEATHER
    HEATHER 24 December 2017 12: 48 New
    +7
    We are looking for a long time. To see problems with the last course of the submarine. Where the coordinates went and there are no exact coordinates. The main thing is to find, raise and give the last honors to the sailors.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 12: 54 New
      10
      Quote: VERESK
      raise

      And was someone going to raise her, anyway?
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 24 December 2017 12: 59 New
        +4
        generally raise? If it lies at an accessible depth, the submarine is always raised. It's up to a kilometer. And Xuan still needs to be found.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 13: 42 New
          10
          Quote: VERESK
          If it lies at an accessible depth, the submarine is always raised ...

          Allow ... to doubt?
          1. Ace Tambourine
            Ace Tambourine 24 December 2017 14: 36 New
            +1
            oh I agree .. How much was there before Kursk? with a hole in the starboard side? Until there are no witnesses left ...
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 14: 43 New
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              Quote: Ace of Diamonds
              How many were there before Kursk? with a hole in the starboard side?

              Kursk had no holes in the starboard side.
              A hundred times already chewed, put in your mouth, swallowed, digested and ... well, of course, yes?
              And still located ... individualsI would say negative
              1. Ace Tambourine
                Ace Tambourine 24 December 2017 14: 50 New
                0
                ..... In a Romanian from secate, I, like others dreamed
                1. Ace Tambourine
                  Ace Tambourine 24 December 2017 15: 04 New
                  +1
                  People, colleagues, comrades gentlemen ... I don’t even know how to apply ... whether I am the same one, the roofing felts don’t go ... didn’t there a hole in the right side of Kursk, or did a squirrel come from Peter Lyakseyich to me?
                  1. Ace Tambourine
                    Ace Tambourine 24 December 2017 15: 26 New
                    0
                    judging by the lack of comments ... the hole was .. but no one wants to discuss it ...
                    1. Ace Tambourine
                      Ace Tambourine 24 December 2017 15: 27 New
                      0
                      Well ... all to the polls ...
                      I hope I have not written anything seditious?
                      1. brr1
                        brr1 25 December 2017 11: 05 New
                        +2
                        Hard with gays, everywhere they see a hole
                  2. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 15: 33 New
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                    Quote: Ace of Diamonds
                    was there a hole in the right side of Kursk, or did the squirrel from Pyotr Lyakseyich come to me?

                    There was a hole. But not cross-cuttingyou see.
                    The hole was in a light body. It was called a "technological hole" (either they fastened when they sawed the nose, or something else).
                    There are no such “holes” from a torpedo.
                    That is, in short.
                    If it’s interesting, look on the same site ... that’s true, the topic has been sucked and gnawed 101+ times already.
                    PS: For the squirrel do not worry. There was no squirrel. They have a lyuboff with Pyat Lyakesich ... mutual laughing
                    1. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 24 December 2017 17: 09 New
                      0
                      And what holes were in the sawn nose?
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 19: 38 New
                        +9
                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        And what holes were in the sawn nose?

                        But nobody will ever know this. The nose, as I recall, was blown up.
                        Specifically, for the hole about which there was a question, are there still ambiguities?
                      2. Dalailama
                        Dalailama 24 December 2017 19: 51 New
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        But nobody will ever know this. The nose, as I recall, was blown up.

                        Undermined why?
                        This precious metal, it could also be raised at night. Cover with tarpaulin and saw it without much effort already on the shore, until no one sees what holes in it.
                        Didn’t make underwater photos of the bow? Strange, there are such Titanic and Kursk not.
                        Well, at least the general nature of the damage? Photos of the boats in whole and in section at the shipyards have been around for a long time, only screws are covered. They are not in the bow.
                    2. tomket
                      tomket 25 December 2017 00: 14 New
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                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      The hole was in a light body. It was called a "technological hole" (either they fastened when they sawed the nose, or something else).
                      There are no such “holes” from a torpedo.
                      That is, in short.

                      What holes are from torpedoes in modern nuclear submarines I personally do not know, because I do not remember precedents. But the fact that no one can clearly explain the origin of the hole is a fact. It all boils down to the fact that it seems that someone saw something, when that, why, sawed during the ascent. Although it seems to me that there should be an absolute specificity. Who, at what minute of work, than, for what purpose. But it turns out they made a hole, but why? But who knows ...
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 25 December 2017 00: 19 New
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                        Quote: tomket
                        Although it seems to me that there should be an absolute specificity. Who, at what minute of work, than, for what purpose

                        But it seems to me that many were pampered by various restructuring with publicity.
                        Nothing personal, but under the Union you would not have heard the words “Kursk”, not to mention any kind of “holes” there.
                        And this, IMHO, was right - there is nothing unnecessarily to bother the layman, he is naughty from this ...
                        The request of ostriches not to scare - the floor is concreted

                        That something like this.
                  3. Shelest2000
                    Shelest2000 24 December 2017 18: 56 New
                    0
                    No comments. But ... it was. At that time I served in the Federation Council, a lot of information went through. Sorry, but no comment. Smart will understand ...
            2. igorka357
              igorka357 25 December 2017 05: 36 New
              0
              Ah ... this is a neat hole, from MK48 ... that burns through the case with jewelry accuracy and accuracy, walks through the compartments, looks for the ammunition of torpedoes, finds, smokes the last cigar, and is blown up nearby .. wink ? In nature there were still woodpeckers in the world .. laughing
      2. Jedi
        Jedi 24 December 2017 13: 03 New
        +6
        Novel hi
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        And was someone going to raise her, anyway?

        First you need to find, but then it will become clear who needs it, and most importantly - who does not need the rise of a dead submarine.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 13: 05 New
          +9
          Quote: Jedi
          First you need to find ...

          Well, that’s understandable ...
          It’s just that I’ve never heard of plans to raise this boat anywhere.
          And this operation, as I understand it, is in itself quite ... non-trivial.
          Hence, in fact, the question is - suddenly I missed what?
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 24 December 2017 13: 12 New
            +6
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Hence, in fact, the question is - suddenly I missed what?

            I suspect that we all missed something in this story (we simply don’t know), as searches in the indicated area / squares are inconclusive. And this may indicate that obviously false data for the search took place to be.
            1. ZaRif
              ZaRif 25 December 2017 10: 07 New
              0
              “took place” or “were”
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 25 December 2017 13: 17 New
                +3
                And it already depends on the rhetoric of those who will answer questions.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 24 December 2017 13: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            It’s just that I’ve never heard of plans to raise this boat anywhere.

            Therefore, they did not hear that she had not yet been found. How can you make any plans if it is not known where it is, at what depth, in what condition ...
        2. pvv113
          pvv113 24 December 2017 13: 34 New
          +3
          Those who do not need themselves will immediately show themselves and, most likely, will be the first to offer their help wink
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 24 December 2017 14: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: pvv113
            Those who do not need themselves will immediately show themselves and, most likely, will be the first to offer their help wink

            Volodya, have they not already done this? yes
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 24 December 2017 14: 25 New
              +2
              That was at the beginning of the search. Now let's wait for their reaction if Russian specialists find a boat laughing
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 24 December 2017 14: 38 New
                +4
                Wow, then tricks will begin with the insertion of sticks in the wheels, pressure on Argentina and all in a row - if only the truth would not be on the surface. negative This gad tribe will do anything to hide their dirty little squirrel.
                1. pvv113
                  pvv113 24 December 2017 14: 49 New
                  +2
                  And they will have to turn around
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 December 2017 13: 28 New
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      Quote: VERESK
      problems with the last course of the submarine. Where it went and the exact coordinates are missing.
      In fact, documents on the transition should remain at the headquarters of the Navy: a graphic plan, a communication program, reference points on the map ... The operators must have kept it and marked the place, K, V according to the TLG subscription time ... If you didn’t (and this can not be!), then you can forget about the Argentinean submarine - there is no service, there is no organization, there is no control of forces at sea ...
      Quote: VERESK
      The main thing is to find, raise and give the last honors to sailors.

      For some reason, it was our people who would find her, I had no doubt ... Well, the Yankees could have found it, but apparently they were not very interested in the search.
      About raise - the problem is in the “price of the question” and the results of an underwater inspection of the Juan’s corps lying at the bottom: where the sheathing sheets are bent: outward (internal explosion) or inward (the work of a torpedo, mine, or other external impact).
      Honoring the dead can be carried out into the sea, without lifting the bodies from the depths. According to international laws, the places of death of ships / submarines are declared the burial places of crews and victims of shipwrecks and are considered mass graves ...
      So, it all depends on the outcome of the work and the decision of the Government of Argentina.
      IMHO.
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 24 December 2017 14: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        So, it all depends on the outcome of the work and the decision of the Government of Argentina.

        Which does not completely exclude pressure by all means to suppress the true causes of the tragedy by those interested, right?
        1. Spez
          Spez 24 December 2017 15: 24 New
          +1
          By the way, who could benefit from it? The boat, like, is not the first freshness ...
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 24 December 2017 16: 34 New
            +4
            Yes, not the first, but not a bucket of bolts. And who benefits from this? It will be clear when the submarine is found. wink
            1. Spez
              Spez 24 December 2017 17: 34 New
              +1
              https://marc-aureli.livejournal.com/317998.html
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 25 December 2017 08: 48 New
                +3
                Thanks for the link, interesting thoughts. yes
  3. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 24 December 2017 12: 49 New
    +4
    God grant that they find it. Relatives will know where their mass grave is. Although this is little consolation.
  4. Altona
    Altona 24 December 2017 13: 05 New
    0
    I already thought Juan with them, with the search. It turns out they are still looking for him.
  5. iouris
    iouris 24 December 2017 13: 35 New
    +1
    There is already a version - the explosion of batteries. By the way, check the condition of the batteries in your smartphones and cars.
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 24 December 2017 15: 05 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      By the way, check the condition of the batteries in your smartphones and cars.


      What for?

      Why not explode in the Falkland Islands?

      What for?
    2. AID.S
      AID.S 24 December 2017 18: 32 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      By the way, check the condition of the batteries in your smartphones

      Electrolyte level?
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 24 December 2017 22: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: AID.S
        Quote: iouris
        By the way, check the condition of the batteries in your smartphones

        Electrolyte level?


        Yeah ... And its quality is a hydrometer. In smartphone and laptop ...
    3. tomket
      tomket 25 December 2017 00: 16 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      There is already a version - the explosion of batteries. By the way, check the condition of the batteries in your smartphones and cars.

      And air conditioners do not forget .....
  6. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 24 December 2017 14: 58 New
    +2
    Well, are you silent, Golovan Jack ..? Or, according to the old, knurled pattern, can you say that Kursk just drowned?
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 24 December 2017 17: 12 New
      0
      Yes, that's strange, but MH17 simply could not fall by itself?
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 25 December 2017 00: 27 New
      +9
      Quote: Ace of Diamonds
      Silence, Golovan Jack

      Do not poke, do not harness.
      I know the same as everyone else. I have nothing to add.
      Your "hole" is not the reason for the death of Kursk - I answered you this.
      All. I closed the question stop
  7. HEATHER
    HEATHER 24 December 2017 17: 20 New
    +6
    The site becomes a bunch of jumpers without sensible comprehension. Just to blurt out something. And that is not important.
  8. tomket
    tomket 25 December 2017 00: 24 New
    0
    Golovan Jack,
    It’s all so, only at a time when the average person would hardly have known about it, after the incident against our border guards, sailors, pilots, etc. usually there was such an answer that, for example, Japan, for example, was not the only war to rock the boat in our direction.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 25 December 2017 00: 33 New
      +8
      Quote: tomket
      after the incident against our border guards, sailors, pilots, etc. usually...

      ... but not always. Kursk - just such a case, IMHO. When "not always."
      There was such a situevina, as knowledgeable people told me that the Caribbean crisis nervously smokes on the sidelines.
      Quote: tomket
      ... that Japan, for example, was not in the habit of rocking the boat in our direction

      I don’t quite understand how Japan and the Great Patriotic War are here (are you talking about it now, or didn’t I understand what?)
      1. tomket
        tomket 25 December 2017 02: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        There was such a situevina, as knowledgeable people told me that the Caribbean crisis nervously smokes on the sidelines.

        Something I didn’t notice that “the whole world would stand still in expectation of a nuclear apocalypse”, and I didn’t even notice when “the world breathed a sigh of relief”, well, there are different military alarms, the nuclear triad in all its glory, both here and there . If our media “might not have noticed”, then they would hardly have lost sight of this.
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        I don’t quite understand how Japan and the Great Patriotic War are here (are you talking about it now, or didn’t I understand what?)

        Japan - I had in mind the incident with the border guards, which resulted in hostilities on Khalkhin Gol and Hassan Island. And the consequences of the otvetka - Japan trampled on WWII in Manchuria
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 December 2017 02: 20 New
          +9
          Quote: tomket
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          There was such a situevina, as knowledgeable people told me that the Caribbean crisis nervously smokes on the sidelines.

          Something I did not notice, so that "the whole world would stand still in anticipation of a nuclear apocalypse" ...

          And should have noticed?
          Everything was on the upper level there and decided. Quietly.
          Here, catch it. These are the facts.:
          The main arguments in favor of "foreign versions" come down to the intensity of Russian-American contacts at the level of senior military and political figures, which increased sharply after the disaster, including the unexpected telephone conversation between Russian and US Presidents Vladimir Putin and Bill Clinton, as well as an emergency visit to Moscow by CIA Director George Tenet on August 17, 2000. Soon, earlier voiced by the Russian high-ranking military version of the death of the “Kursk” as a result of a collision with a foreign nuclear submarine ceased to arise, and Russia managed to write off debts worth about $ 10 billion from the United States. The lack of material evidence also fits into this logic of events - they did not begin to collect them, wanting to keep secret the incident that could lead to an international scandal unprecedented in its scale


          Quote: tomket
          I meant the incident with the border guards, which resulted in the fighting on Khalkhin Gol and Hassan

          Got it.
          Here is an example of the opposite (October 8.10, 1950, Sukhaya River) airfield:

          So there are cases, you know, there were ... all sorts request
  9. ver_
    ver_ 25 December 2017 05: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Ace Tambourine
    ..... In a Romanian from secate, I, like others dreamed

    ... it's just a hatch in a light body .., yeah - round, but how else * get * into the inter-space - there are a lot of things there ...
  10. pavelty
    pavelty 25 December 2017 10: 04 New
    0
    Besides ours, is anyone else bustling there?