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HSP + KhPZ, or Vladimir Putin is inferior in the elections ...

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One of the main political topics of the past week can be considered the official refusal to participate in the elections of the permanent chairman of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennady Zyuganov. On the one hand, so what, actually, is this? The phenomenon in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not unique - it is not the first time when Gennady Andreyevich misses another “nominee” instead of himself. So, for example, it was in 2004, when Vladimir Putin was elected for a second term. Then the Communist Party sent to the election a second person on the party list - Nikolai Kharitonov, who took the silver seat in the race, gaining almost 13,7% of the vote (and this, for a second, 9,5 million people). By the way, in the same 2004 year, the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party Vladimir Zhirinovsky also refused to participate in the elections. Instead, as a party candidate, Oleg Malyshkin went, losing not only to Putin and Kharitonov, but also to Glazyev and Khakamada. His result is 2,02% of votes. Zhirinovsky is going to this election.


However, the situation of the current election campaign still deserves special attention in terms of the decision of the Communist Party. The fact is that for the first time this party decides to support a candidate who is not a member of the party itself. We are talking about Pavel Grudinin, who is the Deputy Chairman of the Committee of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation on the development of the agro-industrial complex and the chairman of one of the most successful agricultural enterprises in Russia - the Lenin state farm famous throughout the country.

Press office KPRF:
The Communist leader congratulated Pavel Grudinin on his nomination, and also expressed the need to immediately include all party organizations in the work. He called for a fight with the apathy of voters, which he called Russia's greatest misfortune.


From the speech of Gennady Zyuganov:
Our program “10 Steps to a Decent Life” was approved at an international forum in Orel, where representatives from the Academy of Sciences, the Chamber of Commerce and Industry arrived. Then, at the farm of Pavel Nikolaevich Grudinin, we gathered representatives of leading labor collectives. There were also envoys from 200 folk businesses. We must, against the background of sanctions, against the background of the crisis, against the background of the decline in GDP, which over the years 5 has amounted to 8% (only Ukraine collapsed below us), to show what we can do. We fought off the bandits from Grudinin, Kazankov, Bogachev. Fought off without the help of law enforcement. We did not ask for state money, but earned it ourselves. And we have invested them in the main thing: in production, in new technologies and in humans. The secret ballot on the candidacy of Pavel Nikolaevich Grudinin showed brilliant results. Of the 314 congress delegates, only 11 voted against. Pavel Nikolaevich is a worthy candidate, let's greet and greet him!


HSP + KhPZ, or Vladimir Putin is inferior in the elections ...


So, for the elections, instead of a media-political person, and with a rating that has fallen to its lowest level in all recent years, a person from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is coming who is not a member of the party or a politician as such. And this is being promoted by the media-political party leader.

Who is advancing? This is a business executive who, if I may say so, is not tainted by inter-oligarchic relations and party-political mud. Moreover, this is a man who has managed to build a real island of progressive socialism against the background of oligarchs' competition that has spread throughout the country, preventing international capital from extending its laws (or lawlessness) to the economy it heads. Grudinin's motto is simple and understandable to many: "You can not be rich in a poor country." And this one motto is already a challenge for clans of capital.

I re-read my writing, I thought, well, pure political advertising of candidate Grudinin is obtained ... In fact, this kind of information about Pavel Grudinin and his management methods is publicly available a long time ago, and therefore he made the advertisement for himself, no opus in the media. It is clear that the PR managers of the main candidate’s campaign are well acquainted not only with the track record of Grudinin, but also with the fact that this person is very popular among the public as an economic manager. Especially considering the fact that politicians who are able to change their shoes not just once or twice in the air, the majority have really ceased to be interesting.

In general, the main candidate is up to date, his campaign headquarters is also naturally up to date. And here, of course, you can argue long and long that the parliamentary parties in our country are really independent, that their leadership acts sovereignly and exclusively in the interests of the party, but in any case you will eventually have to state that both the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the Liberal Democratic Party, and “Fair Russia” is not opposition in the generally accepted sense of the word. This kind of completion of the political system of the current president is part of the same management vertical — the part that de facto accepts all the presidential proposals by no less active than the majority of the parliamentary majority does. To verify this, it is enough to get acquainted with the results of voting in the State Duma on a wide range of issues. In most cases, striking synchronicity.

And against such a background, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation has a fairly strong candidate, with a residential manager, without blind worship of the liberal principles of economics. Moreover, the socialist candidate, and even not the socialist, who at one time in France went to Hollande, but a socialist, from the appearance of which the liberal “partners” can show up, to put it mildly, stress. And this candidate in the conditions, as is commonly believed, the complete absence of political competition in the country before the presidential election is allowed today. Today! Against the background, when many have already announced in advance that “they do not change horses at the crossing,” that “under conditions of sanction pressure, the course set by Vladimir Putin must be maintained, and only Vladimir Putin himself can maintain this course.” At the same time, a strong candidate appears against the background of statements from another front that Putin, they say, has not made a single step to prepare a successor for the 2024 year.

Let me remind you that we ourselves often discuss the question of how much money the western “comrades” are going to spend on countering the new presidential term of Vladimir Putin, how much resources will be invested and how much dirt will be poured over the next 6 years. But all of these Western attempts to the current president may well, that in his spirit, cross out with ease. It can turn into dust all sanctions regimes and the billions worth of big “friends” of Russia. How? A seemingly radical option is to give up ... in the elections ... Go to the elections and ... give up - in a sort of pre-planned beautiful democratic fight, with a beautiful final - on points ... It is clear that the 84% rating, it is clear that everything is in a single impulse, but here the matter is much deeper than just the results of the presidential race in numbers. Russia is at stake here, its future and a clear controlled opportunity to replay all those who are still trying to unravel the KSP ... One can imagine the elongated faces of liberal partners, if even a hint of something similar appears. After all, the whole ideology that has been built up over the past few years by “partners” —the ideology, the quintessence of which is the thesis about Putin’s “irremovability” and “the absence of prospects for Putin's Russia.”



And then, when the "partners" will bite their nails in an attempt to pick up comments and build a further system of "evaluating" events in Russia, truly unique perspectives open up for the Russian government system itself - right up to the development of the idea of ​​the Supreme Management Board.

Utopia? But who knows ... Even 4 years ago and the Crimea as part of Russia was considered utopia, and the victory over the ISIS banned in Russia in Syria is also.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 December 2017 06: 43
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    ... you can agree with the author, but you can - and no ... I'm for the second ...
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 25 December 2017 07: 26
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      I completely agree with the author. Moreover, I think that all incomprehensible actions with the absence of a receiver for Vl.Vl., And generally, it would seem, the absence of a change of power that is painless for Russia, are perfectly resolved. Let's not forget that Vl.Vl. master of unexpected, unpredictable decisions, and such a move, in his style
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 25 December 2017 07: 40
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        Quote: Chertt
        and in general, it would seem, by the absence of a change of power, painless for Russia, are perfectly resolved. Let's not forget that Vl.Vl. master of unexpected, unpredictable decisions, and such a move, in his style

        He will not give up power under any circumstances, or 1% of 100, which is under some incredible guarantees of immunity and security for life.
        But the question arises, but what about the sidekick on the “lake” with their “businesses” and “cellos” ?!
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 25 December 2017 07: 46
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          Quote: Stroporez
          He will not give up power under any circumstances, either

          Slightly puzzled by your categorization. And what about Vl.Vl. there is reason to be afraid of something
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 25 December 2017 08: 01
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            Quote: Chertt
            Slightly puzzled by your categorization. And what about Vl.Vl. there is reason to be afraid of something

            Are you kidding now?
            Here's a snap, how did the Kovalchuk take 60 Lard from the Gasmyas?
            Remember how in the “Golden Calf” - “p. 157 I’ll ask the defendant, where did the transport of food going to Petrograd go in 1921?” - there’s no answer, I’ll put it on the record, now p. 227 “What kind of relationship did the defendant with Hercules Berlag " wink
            Look at the colleague in the Internet, for example. case No. 144128.
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 25 December 2017 08: 18
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              Quote: Stroporez
              Are you kidding now?

              I am absolutely serious. Today we will not analyze in detail case No. 144128., And many others in which there are probably elements of illegality. But given the positive things that have been done in Russia since 2000. I do not consider it a crime that the leaders of our country have 100 billion euros in their accounts
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 25 December 2017 08: 29
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                Quote: Chertt
                But given the difference between Russia in 2000 and 2017. I do not consider it a crime that the leaders of our country have 100 billion euros in their accounts

                belay Those. You say that for 18 years (on) managers have been engaged in the accumulation of equity? And there is nothing precarious from your point of view? belay
                In a mattress so hated by us, this would be enough for 1000 life !!!
                Thank you for the koment, now I clearly understand that some of the population is, to put it mildly, not in itself wassat
                Byad .... fool
                1. Chertt
                  Chertt 25 December 2017 09: 00
                  20
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Those. You say that for 18 years (on) managers have been engaged in the accumulation of equity?

                  No, they worked, first to prevent the physical collapse of the Russian Federation, then to restore the economy and sovereignty of the country. They coped with their task. And are entitled to gratitude
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Byad ....

                  Do you think that Russia should be a saint president?. So saints for president are not suitable
                  1. Prometey
                    Prometey 25 December 2017 11: 05
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                    Quote: Chertt
                    they worked, first to prevent the physical collapse of the Russian Federation, then to restore the economy

                    It remains only to clarify the restoration of the economy of whose country they worked. This, where pensioners can not adequately bury on their pension?
                    They coped with their task. And are entitled to gratitude
                    Well, apparently, their "partners" are grateful, but not the people.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 25 December 2017 11: 41
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                      Quote: Prometey
                      It remains only to clarify the restoration of the economy of whose country they worked. This one, where pensioners cannot be adequately buried for their retirement?
                      -in 1985, May 9 (round date, 40 years !!!) in front of my eyes from an unheated barrack they buried a disabled WWII, artillery officer, cavalier of 3 degrees of Glory, KZ and a lot of military awards - the military enlistment office did a lot of pillows .... .
                      After 2 weeks, the barracks - collapsed(thank God no one was there at that moment).

                      Question what then oligarchs stood in power, the party stole, "sidekick" and other blah blah about a decent life ???
                      whom then there was no care for a one-armed invalid ?? Who then spit on the old man - who saved the country and lived his whole life (40 years old !!!!) in the rotten hut of the WWI??
                      1. Chertt
                        Chertt 25 December 2017 11: 47
                        +8
                        Quote: your1970
                        The question is, what then were the oligarchs in power, the party stole, "sidekick" and other blah blah about a decent life ???

                        There is a category of people who are “always offended” by the authorities, for whom everything is always, by definition, bad.
                      2. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 25 December 2017 12: 06
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                        Quote: your1970
                        buried a disabled WWII, artillery officer, gentleman of 3 degrees of Glory,

                        I hate it when they brazenly lie !!!
                        Remember dear, that the Full Knights of the Order of Glory were equated with the Heroes of the Soviet Union !!!
                        In 1967 and 1975, additional benefits were introduced to the full cavaliers of the Order of Glory, equalizing their rights with the Heroes of the Soviet Union. In particular, the right to grant them personal pensions of national importance, large housing benefits, the right of free travel, disabled cars were provided with free cars, etc.

                        Quote: your1970
                        The question is, what then were the oligarchs in power, the party stole, "sidekick" and other blah blah about a decent life ???

                        You already embarrassed once,
                        don't complicate stop
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 25 December 2017 12: 45
                        +6
                        Personally for Stroporeza-I KNOW about equating !!! and I I KNOW - about the benefits of the SCA !!!
                        That's just the old man carried to bury from the hut(!!) - he was a quiet, harmless person - who did not know how to walk around cabinets, did not know how to write complaints ....
                        True, they also buried the pyramid, but how, then, the authorities took part - I can’t deny this ..
                        My grandmother helped cook at the wake - he had no relatives.
                      4. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 25 December 2017 14: 05
                        +3
                        After 2 weeks, the barracks - collapsed
                        Well, if you tell tales. Recently I read it in the newspaper. She’s sued for the war veteran’s grandmother for over 90. Cars were parked at her house, the wall collapsed and crushed an expensive foreign car. the court awarded the grandmother to recover the cost and moral damage. I don’t know, maybe a fake, but it seems to be true.
                      5. Stin u
                        Stin u 26 December 2017 03: 39
                        +5
                        ... 1985 - 2017 ... Now, of course, there are a lot of veterans of the Second World War - much less, for obvious, natural reasons. And, on the contrary, there are more "barracks". An ideal State (system) does not exist. But to this humanity is striving to the extent.
                        Returning to the “rotten huts”, Today, under the strict guidance, entire villages, villages, towns turned into rotten huts.
                        The last - if they had stolen today since 1985, I am sure that there would have been no barracks at all. SURE (!).
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 25 December 2017 13: 42
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                    Quote: Chertt
                    There is a category of people who are “always offended” by the authorities, for whom everything is always, by definition, bad.

                    You won’t get to Baba Vali soon, eh
                    1. Chertt
                      Chertt 25 December 2017 14: 32
                      +4
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      You won’t get to Baba Vali soon, eh

                      Despite your "harshness" in expressions, I understand your point of view, although I consider it unproductive. Less criticism (this is the "clearing" of liberals), more suggest solutions .... I liked the video
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 25 December 2017 20: 45
                        +6
                        Quote: Chertt
                        Less criticism (this is the "clearing" of liberals), more suggest solutions ...

                        So the solution is only one and it has been repeating itself every day for 17 years — a change in the country's course from wild capitalism to socialism.
                      2. Svetlana
                        Svetlana 26 December 2017 17: 09
                        +5
                        Quote: Chertt
                        Less criticize (this is the "clearing" of liberals)

                        Criticism of power is not the lot of liberals. Liberals criticize power in order to take its place. The power to criticize the people not only can, but must and must. Otherwise, this is not a people, but a herd of sheep. We are being cut, but we must endure silently? Any power from God? Wretched is reasoning unworthy of the Russian freedom-loving spirit. Here is a granny with a Russian spirit.
                2. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 25 December 2017 09: 03
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                  They threw you a bone in the form of Grudinin, and you are happy to try: now this candidacy overshadows all the news. And no one knows that without coordination with Putin, nothing is being done in our country! Come on, call to vote for Grudinin, and I will laugh at you after the election!
                  I hope that my moderators will not delete this comment, as they did last time when discussing Grudinin's candidacy.
                  1. Chertt
                    Chertt 25 December 2017 09: 07
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                    Quote: СРЦ П-15
                    And no one knows that without coordination with Putin, nothing is being done in our country!

                    You are not telling the truth (lying to the common people) I just did not agree with Putin
                    1. SRC P-15
                      SRC P-15 25 December 2017 09: 10
                      +8
                      Quote: Chertt
                      You are not telling the truth (lying to the common people) I just did not agree with Putin

                      Well, Chertt is with you! laughing
                      1. Chertt
                        Chertt 25 December 2017 09: 14
                        +4
                        Quote: СРЦ П-15
                        Well, Chertt is with you!

                        According to your comment, I thought that you are always grumbling, it’s good that it’s not hi tongue
                  2. Varyag_0711
                    Varyag_0711 25 December 2017 10: 07
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                    СРЦ П-15 Today, 09:03 ↑ New
                    They threw you a bone in the form of Grudinin, and you are happy to try: now this candidacy overshadows all the news.
                    I agree with a colleague! hi Grudinin is certainly a good man, BUT a good chairman of a state farm is not yet a good leader of the country. To begin with, it would not be bad for him to work at least in the Ministry of Agriculture, to gain experience. And then we already had two collective farmers, Khrushchev and Mishka Mechny, taxed so that the country fell apart.
                    We all have heroes to say beautiful words, but the real deeds are the real deeds. There we have all the Yabloko unanimously howling how sorry they are for our pensioners, and how in general Russia needs to switch from foreign policy to domestic, but who really believes them? No, maybe, of course, it has a few DBs in the country fool who forgot where we were brought into the 90s by the same Yabloko people, but only the bulk of the people have a long memory and they all remember very well how they didn’t pay the same pensions for six months, and when they received it, they already managed to depreciate to the price of a loaf of bread. What, again I wanted to, is there a little extreme in life?
                    So even though I myself am a scoop, I want everything to be different, but not such victims. It seems to me that Putin in such a situation will win with a crushing score. Trump will not come out of Grudinin, and the country is not that, and the people are not that.
                    1. Mikhail Filippov
                      Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 11: 07
                      +4
                      In the 90s, Apple was not in power. The apple has never been in power. The State Duma was "red", and the government - members of "Our House - Russia" (consider the successors of EdRa)
                      1. Varyag_0711
                        Varyag_0711 25 December 2017 11: 18
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                        Mikhail Filippov Today, 11:07 ↑
                        In the 90s, Apple was not in power. The apple has never been in power. The State Duma was "red", and the government - members of "Our House - Russia" (consider the successors of EdRa)
                        Ta wi sho? You will tell these tales to children. Yavlinsky programs foul on "development" did not write, "Apple" did not sit in a thought?
                        And then call the hell even carrots, the essence will not change. All the liberalism as it dug in the economic bloc in the 90s and there it sits. What Ulyukaev, Nabiulina, Gref, Siluanov, Kudrin, Chubais not from one liberal garbage dump? All of them are oiled in one world, and as they were in posts, they remained. One of Yavlinsky and Khakamada was pushed away from the feeder, and the poor fellows climbed out of their skin to be taken back.
                    2. Kokarev Mikhail
                      Kokarev Mikhail 25 December 2017 11: 13
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                      Grudinin is an intelligent man. Maybe a cool president will come out of it. But I think the international bustle will confuse him. He would have been prime minister, there is a complete blockage with the economy. Although there, without experience in state security, our gangs cannot be pacified.
                      1. Varyag_0711
                        Varyag_0711 25 December 2017 11: 25
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                        Kokarev Mikhail Today, 11:13 ↑
                        Grudinin is an intelligent man. Maybe a cool president will come out of it. But I think the international bustle will confuse him. He would have been prime minister, there is a complete blockage with the economy. Although there, without experience in state security, our gangs cannot be pacified.
                        I agree. In general, I am for the country to be headed by one of the security forces with strong support in the army and among law enforcement agencies. But the prime minister should be a good business executive, who would, first and foremost, drive the hell out of the entire economic viper, a native of HSE. In general, it’s time for the FSB to cover this shop with the genitals!
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 28 December 2017 11: 29
                        +2
                        Quote: Kokarev Mikhail
                        Maybe a cool president will come out of it. But I think the international bustle will confuse him.

                        Grudinin is a pragmatist, a producer with great positive experience, who knows all the pros and cons of the current economic system to the finer points. He is certainly a patriot, but at the same time he is a patriot who is not part of the current unpopular "elites", and, unlike many of our high-ranking "official patriots", has no accounts, property and family abroad. Finally, he knows how to speak reasonably and clearly, while leading killer arguments based on knowledge of the real economy and his own practical experience.

                        Yes, of course, Grudinin is probably not strong on foreign policy issues. And it is precisely on this that those who try to convince that for this very reason he is not suitable for the presidency are resting. But first of all, who said that he would generally begin to build his election program on the discussion of foreign policy, and would not say, for example: “The foreign policy of Vladimir Putin is quite normal, it is not worth changing it. But let's discuss domestic policy ... "?
                        Somehow external political achievements were disavowed? Is it not said that both Lavrov and Shoigu, as specialists and pros, will not remain idle? Http: //zavtra.ru/blogs/pochemu_putinu_n
                        eobhodim_grudinin
                    3. north
                      north 25 December 2017 11: 19
                      +3
                      Grudinin doesn’t quite, to put it mildly, have words that match business. It’s enough to google it. Not the director of the SOVkhoz, but the landowner, with a family contract.
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 28 December 2017 11: 26
                        +4
                        Quote: north
                        Grudinin doesn’t quite, to put it mildly, have words that match business. It’s enough to google it. Not the director of the SOVkhoz, but the landowner, with a family contract.

                        Lying.
                        Are you given a carbon copy of such posts to write on the Networks? Everywhere, everywhere, like wound up one and the same phrase ..
                    4. AleksUkr
                      AleksUkr 25 December 2017 15: 30
                      +1
                      If Grudinin gains enough votes - Of course, less than Putin - let Putin propose him instead of the scoundrel of Medvedev, who is sleeping and sees himself as the next president. He already hinted at it. Liberals are thrilled ...
                      1. Karabin
                        Karabin 25 December 2017 18: 47
                        +5
                        Quote: AleksUkr
                        let Putin offer him instead of Medvedev's scoundrel

                        But what about Kudrin? Putin does not abandon his. He has such a positive feature.
                    5. Alf
                      Alf 25 December 2017 20: 47
                      +2
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      It seems to me that Putin in such a situation will win with a crushing score.

                      Putin will win with a crushing score in any conditions.
                    6. Stin u
                      Stin u 26 December 2017 04: 16
                      +2
                      I do not agree, today it is the OWNER that we need. Politicians are already sick. What is only Medvedev worth as prime minister? Pancake! Who stuck it there? "Lawyers" are good if everything is done in the Country. Under the "leadership" of D. A. Medvedev, the Cabinet (with 100% of its "population") is a kind of SERPENTARY. It is known that - "raven - crow ..." and the snake does not bite its tail. What is going on in general in the Cabinet of Ministers in general and in Ministries in particular is covered in darkness. Of course, masturbation gives "pleasure" to one's beloved, but Nothing and NO one is capable of giving birth to such an action.
                      And about the victory of Putin. Of course he will win, Panfilov will work out his 2 and a half million, received monthly, where she will go. Do not forget - who counts, he counts ... Not for nothing, Putin Churova, after the last election - called a MAGICIAN.
                    7. badens1111
                      badens1111 28 December 2017 10: 59
                      +4
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      Grudinin is a man, of course, a good one, BUT a good chairman of a state farm is not yet a good leader of the country

                      A colleague, I object, Putin didn’t immediately come from among the great managers, the KGB lieutenant colonel is not the head of the enterprise, but we eat masses of praises, next to him is Medvedev, what did he steer in his life before he was stuck in the government? What was directed by Shuvalov or even more so a nimble boy Dvorkovich? NOTHING. But smart physics are doing one thing and they rule something .. the question is how did they steal.
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      And then we already had two collective farmers, Khrushchev and Mishka Mechny, and they steered so that the country fell apart.

                      Were
                      But there was a seminarian Stalin.
                      There was Brezhnev.
                      The question is not who they were before they became a common noun., Khrushchev and Gorbachev, edlzign like Judas, but how they became such, in exchange for what and how they surrendered the country.
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      We all have heroes to say beautiful words, but the real deeds are the real deeds.

                      Medvedev speaks beautiful words to us every day, but in fact?
                      Grudinin was able to show how to work, and Medvedev, in addition to reveling to bankers and other nouveau riches, what did he show?
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      It seems to me that Putin in such a situation will win with a crushing score. Trump will not come out of Grudinin, and the country is not that, and the people are not that.

                      Your right to think so, only Trump is not a decree for us, and opinion polls already give Putin the first place — 1%, the second Grudinin — 55%, and somewhere in the backyard there is a grease.
                  3. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 25 December 2017 13: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: СРЦ П-15
                    And no one knows that without coordination with Putin, nothing is being done in our country! Come on, call to vote for Grudinin, and I will laugh at you after the election!

                  4. Pancir026
                    Pancir026 7 January 2018 18: 32
                    0
                    Quote: СРЦ П-15
                    I hope that my moderators will not delete this comment, as they did last time when discussing Grudinin's candidacy.

                    It’s good to lie, your comments and the like do not delete.
                    They remove those who fundamentally disagree with you.
                3. Hottabych
                  Hottabych 25 December 2017 11: 18
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                  Quote: Stroporez
                  In a mattress so hated by us, this would be enough for 1000 life !!!

                  You, apparently, have no idea who rules in mattress ?! But certainly not the president. Everyone knows that there rules a group of people with large grandmothers. And the worst thing is that these people have no responsibility to anyone, because formally in power is another person. The US president is like a floor rag. As soon as it becomes dirty they change it (laundering is not accepted there, the country is rich).
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Now I clearly understand that some of the population is, to put it mildly, not in itself

                  The fact that another, much smaller part of the population is not in ourselves, we all know very well! And in general, are you part of the population of our country, or write with a neighboring, fraternal one? )))
                  1. 97110
                    97110 25 December 2017 16: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: Hottabych
                    And the worst thing is that these people have no responsibility to anyone, because formally in power is another person.

                    Just like in our well-maintained country, each one is a bit larger than an IP enterprise. There is also a director and somewhere owners who meet the size of the contribution to the authorized capital.
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 25 December 2017 17: 17
                    +3
                    Quote: Hottabych
                    You apparently have no idea who rules in mattress ?! But certainly not the president.
                    And right there
                    Quote: Hottabych
                    Everybody knowsthat rules there is a group of people with big dibs.

                    Further reading your conspiracy thesis is no longer interesting. belay
                    I understand that you want to raise your own conceit, but you are just part of the “population”, and I am, albeit a small, very insignificant particle, but PEOPLE!
                    Comprehend what is written, if master. soldier
                    1. Hottabych
                      Hottabych 25 December 2017 18: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Comprehend what is written, if master.

                      ))) Yes, you are a brainy guy. )))) It is a pity that you are not interested in reading further my message.
                      But considering what you wrote:
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      but you are just part of the "population", and I am, albeit a small, very insignificant particle, but PEOPLE!

                      You, nevertheless, have read it to the end, where your location is described ... wink
                  3. Alf
                    Alf 25 December 2017 20: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Hottabych
                    . Everyone knows that there rules a group of people with large grandmothers. And the worst thing is that these people have no responsibility to anyone, because formally in power is another person. The US president is like a floor rag. As soon as it becomes dirty they change it (laundering is not accepted there, the country is rich).

                    Doesn’t it resemble any huge country in the other hemisphere?
                4. sir_obs
                  sir_obs 25 December 2017 21: 28
                  +1
                  Che there in the mattress? To whom were they lifelong given? The Clinton family has taken over the drain, which is not 1000, but more pulling. And what? The rest there, too, do not sit down stiffly. In the Pentagon, TRILLION was taken away and who is siding? No one! All quietly hushed up. Enough to tell the rebels about the most democratic democracy!
                  They get worse than ours. Or Che Clinton’s still will not calm down. Yes, under it the stock was invested, but there is no return. And they calculated. That burns her ass.
                  Power serves capital, everywhere.
                  1. Stin u
                    Stin u 26 December 2017 04: 48
                    +2
                    “Derbanyat” is probably worse there ... Maybe ... maybe only “he is a dollar in Africa - the dollar” in any case, “jerking” somehow remains in the mattress. But here in Russia, or rather from Russia, 50% of the GDP goes to offshore. In the "foreign land" go denyushki. And the leader in the withdrawal of funds is the Bank of Russia, our "native" Central Bank.
                    Another example - the Interior Ministry general retired, left for the United States, bought almost 40 million green real estate in Miami (not otherwise retired, or saved his whole life), and so, now he is a resident of "mattress" and he knows the real estate he bought pays taxes ...
                    Russia is good - a FEEDER for a thief of all stripes. Rich Russia, only PEOPLE get the crumbs. Glory to Putin - the light of the Russian economy (thieves'). Glory to Medvedev! ... Is it possible to change them?
                    Who, then, will "cover" CLIPTOCRACY?
                    God forbid (be it not written in sou) the minimum wage will be made as in 1985 - 70 rubles - a TON of gasoline, and even with this amount taxes should not be paid. For the traveler and others like them - cold sweat only with such a thought.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 26 December 2017 09: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: Stin U
                      "Derbanyat" there probably worse ....

                      1) in offshore Panama, as far as I remember, EVERYTHING was lit up, including American business belay -it’s kind of supposed to you- "everything in the house, everything in the house !!"
                      why, you don’t know by chance, do offshores create? Correctly, so that you don’t pay taxes at home. There are not so many fools to pay taxes in America
                      2) when did not those holding power robbing Russia?
                      Under the tsars? Secretary Generals? Presidents? Read out of sports interest how the mail robbed in 1934 under the "bloodthirsty" Stalin - Zakharchenko nervously smokes on the sidelines, Vasilyeva plays in the sandbox - in the quarter of 1934 they rushed 4 million(this is when the T-34 experimental another 450 (in the 000 series) cost, and the howitzer 250 cost, it's just for you to compare the numbers)
                      And the cotton business with millions of postscripts is not corruption for your personal interests? Where did millions go for the fake cotton? Apparently, the national economy is growing, but how could it be otherwise - all the Communists ...
                      And the guns of Kurchevsky are obviously unsuitable for anything, but WHY SOMETHING (!!!) turned out to be in service in quite sickly quantities and quickly removed from it in a couple of years? This disgust was not even used at the critical time of the fall of 1941 - when even Berdanks No. 1 went into battle
                      3) in 1983, 12 tons of saltpeter were buried in the ravines outside our village, Selkhozkhimiya wrote off as taken to the fields. Reported, divided prizes, and forgot ...
                      If anything falls there and God forbid !! - detonates - the village for the most part blows away to hell ..

                      For the past 26 years, metal workers have been collecting abandoned iron across the fields and it still does not end .... "Why repair it? Drop it now! A new harrow / plow / hydraulic cylinder / bridge / Kirovets will be brought ..."
                      Fuel trucks poured gasoline into the ravines at the end of the quarter so that coupons would not disappear and funds would not be cut ..
                      The word is sweet - "FUNDS !!!" remember ??
                      And all this was - norms, but what? "It’s popular, those are nobody ..."
                    2. Hottabych
                      Hottabych 26 December 2017 12: 58
                      +1
                      Steen, you were frozen in the 85th, and now released? Zadolbali these whiners!
                      1. Stin u
                        Stin u 26 December 2017 15: 41
                        +1
                        Not “Stin”, but Shtin - Vyatka surname Ded Shtin, laid his head in the war, father - Shtin (born 1923) came wounded from the war. Among those 7% of his peers that survived.
                        "WHITERS"? - you say. I have not whined in my life, and I just ask such FOOLS to ask my brain, moldy, to turn it on ...
                        When you’re not a TV box, but you’ll think with your brains. USE does its job !!!
              2. Kent0001
                Kent0001 25 December 2017 08: 44
                18
                And Stalin had only one jacket, a pipe and boots. This is for information.
                1. Chertt
                  Chertt 25 December 2017 09: 04
                  +7
                  Quote: Kent0001
                  And Stalin had only one jacket, a pipe and boots.

                  With all due respect to Comrade Generalissimo Stalin, he had his own flaws, maybe it would not be bad if he had two or three service jackets
                2. Mikhail Filippov
                  Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 11: 08
                  +1
                  You are confusing Soviet times with present. Yes, he (and many Soviet leaders) had little of their own ... but how much was given "for use ..."
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 25 December 2017 20: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Mikhail Filippov
                    .but how much has been given "for use ..."

                    But HOW from these users asked ...
                    1. Mikhail Filippov
                      Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 09: 42
                      0
                      And on the other hand ... how much did Vasily Stalin receive? With him, too, quite robustly so asked after the death of the dad. How much did Svetlana Alliluyev get? Not.
                3. Santjaga_Garka
                  Santjaga_Garka 25 December 2017 12: 18
                  +3
                  But Stalin had a guaranteed LIFE power and all the benefits that are inherent in it - dachas, cars, planes - he didn’t ride a bus and lived not on the outskirts of a hut, and he obviously did not wear the same jacket with boots from the age of 17.

                  I am for Stalin in many respects, his course led the country to world leaders in many respects, but he suffered from disempowerment because he had everything from the state, why did he have his own?

                  IMHO
                  1. Karabin
                    Karabin 25 December 2017 18: 56
                    +6
                    Quote: Santjaga_Garka
                    but he suffered from disempowerment because everything was from the state for him, why did he have his own?

                    The state is no worse than the current elites than Stalin provides. Only now without coats, offshore, planes, yachts and nedvizhim in London and on the Cote d'Azur they can not live and work for the good of the motherland.
                  2. Stin u
                    Stin u 26 December 2017 22: 07
                    +1
                    Cars and dachas did not belong to Stalin. Asceticism, in tune with Communism ...
                    Limit YOURSELF and give to another (neighbor). Well, it’s not given to him, share it with your neighbor, don’t take away the last one. This is in the GOSPEL, Jesus bequeathed.
                    - "LOVE NEARBY, YAKI YOURSELF!!! "(I put a"! "sign from myself.)
                    But this commandment is only for those who believe in GOD. Not everyone is given, just like that, just, to LOVE your neighbor.
                    For this you need understand themselves, accept the person (neighbor) as he is.
                    Stalin was more BELIEVE than the current POPs and the more so "holding power". What Jesus said to one young, rich, man - sell your property, give money to the poor, then come to me (to God). But the young man was wealthy, he felt sorry for his wealth and he departed ... What Jesus noticed was that he would get to paradise RICH, that a camel would go through a coal ear.
                  3. Stin u
                    Stin u 26 December 2017 22: 26
                    0
                    You read about Stalin. What good? No matter what you eat, you will fit more than the "stomach" ... He WORKED and STUDYED all his life. You will find at least one ambiguous or Dumb saying. And he didn’t have the MATCHERS (!).
                    Then, do not forget, he was "not Russian", in the sense - he thought in his native language (Stalin has an article about this in his native language about this), therefore he "translated" every word uttered twice. This is the case that is called - measure seven times, one - cut. "
                    The intelligence of Stalin was recognized by ALL PEOPLE who have contact with him. Churchill next to Stalin looked like a first-grader in front of an academician.
                    Take, "for fun" and read the works of Stalin. There are many interesting things and are very suitable for today's Russia.
                4. verner1967
                  verner1967 25 December 2017 13: 14
                  +3
                  Quote: Kent0001
                  And Stalin had only one jacket, a pipe and boots.

                  Well, yes, and another 18 cottages in different parts of the country, and the whole country in addition
                  Quote: Kent0001
                  This is for information.
                  1. AleksUkr
                    AleksUkr 25 December 2017 15: 34
                    +8
                    Envy gnaws at you. Go to the oligarchs. Weak? Then do not blurt out the dirty tricks, knowing that the dead will not give in a brazen face. Go ahead ...
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 25 December 2017 17: 53
                      +1
                      Quote: AleksUkr
                      Envy gnaws at you.

                      firstly, not "you", I didn’t help you graze pigs, and secondly, I don’t need so much, I have enough of mine.
                      Quote: AleksUkr
                      Then don’t blurt out any dirty tricks

                      you blurt out when you do not reach the toilet, but I personally was at Stalin’s three dachas and I know about the rest from reliable sources. And do not tell me that this is all a national treasure. Nobody drove mineral water and greens with wine from Georgia by air from Georgia.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 25 December 2017 20: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: verner1967
                        Nobody drove mineral water and greens with wine from Georgia by air from Georgia.

                        Yes, I would have dragged this water and greens from Georgia on foot if I knew that the person for whom they are working for the benefit and development of their country, and not the "world community."
                  2. Alf
                    Alf 25 December 2017 20: 51
                    0
                    Quote: verner1967
                    Yes, and the whole country in addition

                    And he used it, stuffed his pockets with might and main ...
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 25 December 2017 21: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: Alf
                      he used it, stuffed his pockets with might and main ...

                      Quote: Alf
                      I would drag this water and greens from Georgia on foot

                      I think that Ukrainian opponents are sometimes right when they say that many Russians have slave psychology.
                5. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 26 December 2017 20: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Kent0001
                  And Stalin had only one jacket, a pipe and boots. This is for information.

                  Comrade Stalin had special boots for working in the library. I don’t remember whose memoirs and there were described boots with holes that Stalin made to ventilate his legs. Itself.
              3. Mikhail Filippov
                Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 11: 05
                +2
                You know, the law should be the same for everyone. For example, Arab princes and sheikhs also have a dofiga of lard bucks on their accounts. But they did not violate their laws.
                And so, by your logic, you can justify any criminal.
                1. Santjaga_Garka
                  Santjaga_Garka 25 December 2017 12: 23
                  +1
                  Firstly, who told you that they did not violate their laws? If they monitor their execution? Who will dig against them, let alone publish the results?

                  Secondly, even if they do not steal or are not on such a scale as ours, then this is only a consequence of the inherited power, why carry it yourself from pocket to pocket.
                  1. Mikhail Filippov
                    Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 07
                    +1
                    In the US, Nixon was removed because of some wiretapping, and you say. Yes, I agree, the country count them, but they wrote the laws. And in them they are unlikely to cheat themselves
                  2. 97110
                    97110 25 December 2017 16: 36
                    +3
                    Quote: Santjaga_Garka
                    it is only a consequence of inherited power

                    They didn’t hear it, they just locked the prunks in the hotel until the grandmas gave them away. Graters go, who climb to the throne. In general, inherited power is good when it has survived to accession. Yeast further, pray that the snuffbox miss. The laws in the monarchies are not humane, pensions are not supposed.
              4. E_V_N
                E_V_N 25 December 2017 11: 33
                +6
                Quote: Chertt
                I do not consider it a crime that the leaders of our country have billions of euros in 100 accounts

                That is, if the Guarantor of the Constitution, in addition to the official salary, in case of a ban on doing business as a father, then he acquired 100 euro lard is not a crime? And for what then Vasilyeva and Ulyukaev were judged, according to your concepts of their case, generally childish pranks.
              5. Yarik
                Yarik 25 December 2017 14: 53
                +3
                Quote: Chertt
                I do not consider it a crime that the leaders of our country have billions of euros in 100 accounts


                In this case, I dare to assume that you are one of the "leaders of our country." Or .... you are suitable in clients to the corresponding medical institutions. wink
                1. Chertt
                  Chertt 25 December 2017 15: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Yarik
                  In this case, I dare to assume that you are one of the "leaders of our country." Or .... you are suitable in clients to relevant medical institutions

                  At the moment, I am a villager, in the spring I’m going to set up beehives, maybe a small smokehouse. From the authorities, I only want that it would not be a shame that I am Russian
              6. albert
                albert 25 December 2017 19: 55
                +4
                Quote: Chertt
                I do not consider it a crime that the leaders of our country have billions of euros in 100 accounts

                Damn yourself !! But I think. and many here agree with me that our "leaders" should be sent to logging. The funniest thing is that all this money is stored abroad!
              7. Nick
                Nick 27 December 2017 22: 19
                0
                Quote: Chertt
                I do not consider it a crime that the leaders of our country have billions of euros in 100 accounts

                Moreover, they are not. bully
            2. renics
              renics 25 December 2017 11: 11
              +7
              You might think that such things merge on the Internet, fantasies are no more than your fanatical faith in 100% certainty. Such facts go nowhere especially to the Internet, and if anyone has them, then they all have their own commercial price. Just one such document from the Moscow City Hall is on the dark Internet from 500t bucks. You agree to redeem them and publish them for free on the Internet.
          2. E_V_N
            E_V_N 25 December 2017 08: 33
            +4
            Quote: Chertt
            Quote: Stroporez
            He will not give up power under any circumstances, either

            Slightly puzzled by your categorization. And what about Vl.Vl. there is reason to be afraid of something

            “Do not renounce sumy and prison” - I didn’t come up with this saying.
        2. Iaaa
          Iaaa 25 December 2017 08: 00
          24
          Well, suppose Grudinin won! So what? Will Western politicians make surprised faces? Ok done! So what? Will the sanctions be lifted on March 19, NATO troops will be withdrawn from the borders, will they be sharply friends with Russia? Yeah, wait, how come. Yes, they and our home-grown liberoids immediately assured that in Russia the commie had come to power, the worst enemy of the entire civilized world, which means that pressure on Russia must be intensified. Something like this. Well, if Ksyushad or Navalnyonok, then yes, then they would have sung that here she, democracy, had won.
          And if you win the election of KhPP or KhPZ for Russia, nothing will change for the West. Probably fortunately.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 25 December 2017 08: 09
            12
            Quote: Iaaa
            Yes, they and our homegrown liberoids immediately squeal,

            1. Iaaa
              Iaaa 25 December 2017 08: 17
              15
              GDP this time made a tricky move. Went self-nominated. Well, it seems to be from our entire multinational people. Slightly pulled away from EdRosovtsev. Although everyone understands everything perfectly, but .... you won’t fault it.
              And the second, did I say that there are no liberals in EP? Yes, 99%, well, maybe a little less.
            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 25 December 2017 09: 05
              17
              Edrosovets Fedorov also probably believes that there is nothing wrong with the 100 billion dollars in the accounts of the leaders of our country - such as the Constitution, they really have it in store for the people, they just need to support Putin, and as soon as he sees this support, he will immediately change the Constitution and give billions out to people wassat
            3. Wayfarer
              Wayfarer 25 December 2017 09: 26
              17
              Pay attention to the video 4:30 that Fedorov says: the laws of the Russian Federation are written by foreign experts. So, the constitution of the Russian Federation, all laws of the Russian Federation are written abroad. GDP is not in the know, it is imperative to convey this stunning fact to him, now he will be surprised. Does anyone still doubt the sovereignty and independence of the Russian Federation?
              1. Mikhail Filippov
                Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 11: 16
                12
                Well, yes ... a legend as old as the world - the king is good, the boyars are bad. It is necessary to send to the king walkers from all the provinces and counties, so that they convey the truth to him)
                But just let me, Putin did not know under what constitution he ran for president? He does not know what constitution he will run for now?)
              2. Yarik
                Yarik 25 December 2017 15: 01
                +3
                Does anyone still doubt the sovereignty and independence of the Russian Federation?

                And in the identity of the guarantor?
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 25 December 2017 08: 56
            12
            sanctions,
            sanctions here from which side? There is at least a minimal chance that in the Kremlin with the advent of Grudinin, people will be remembered.
            1. Iaaa
              Iaaa 25 December 2017 09: 01
              +5
              Quote: Gardamir
              sanctions here from which side?

              Yes, from that.
              From the article
              But the incumbent president may well, in his spirit, cross out all these Western attempts with ease. It can turn into dust all the sanctions regimes and billions of dollars spent by Russia's big "friends". How? A completely radical, it would seem, option - to give up ... in the elections ... Go to the polls and ... give up - in a kind of pre-thought out beautiful democratic battle, with a beautiful ending - on points ...

              That's it from this very side!
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 25 December 2017 09: 30
                +9
                from this very side!
                the author is certainly a smart person, but in this case he is mistaken. Sanctions are only a means to influence politics. There were sanctions under the communists, now sanctions. The next ruler does not look back to the West and sanctions need to pursue an independent policy.
                1. Iaaa
                  Iaaa 25 December 2017 09: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  the author is certainly a smart person, but in this case he is mistaken.

                  What I wrote about in my first post. soldier
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 25 December 2017 09: 40
                    +3
                    What I wrote about in my first post
                    was inattentive, sorry.
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 25 December 2017 11: 13
                +3
                Quote: Iaaa
                That's it from this very side!

                So you sincerely believe that the sanctions were imposed not against Russia, but personally against Putin and his "friends"? Will Putin leave and lift the sanctions? Naively, the United States does not need any center of power independent of them, and they come up with a reason for sanctions sanctions once or twice. If you want Magnitsky’s law and sanctions on it, you want Crimea, you want influence on the US elections, even a lunar eclipse can cause sanctions.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 25 December 2017 11: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Will Putin leave and lift the sanctions? Naively, the US does not need any center of power independent of them, and they come up with a reason for sanctions sanctions for one or two
                  Jackson-Vanik sanctions began in another state (USSR) and almost a dozen rulers of Russia changed during this time
                  1. Romulus
                    Romulus 25 December 2017 11: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: your1970
                    Jackson-Vanik sanctions began in another state (USSR) and almost a dozen rulers of Russia changed during this time

                    The Jackson-Venik amendment was adopted under Brezhnev L.I.
                  2. your1970
                    your1970 25 December 2017 12: 49
                    +2
                    Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev- almost guessed right-7 turned out (not a dozen)
                2. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 25 December 2017 13: 56
                  +6
                  sanctions were introduced not against Russia, but personally against Putin
                  Personally, Putin has tried hard enough to make Russia dependent on the West. As they said, why is production necessary? We will sell oil and buy what is needed. And now they are writing boiling water on the Mask. Only progress cannot be stopped.
                  1. Mikhail Filippov
                    Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 26
                    +1
                    Putin tried to put the West on the "oil and gas needle." Russia now is not a “gas station” as McCain said, but an oil and gas corporation. Huge corporation
                    1. Karabin
                      Karabin 25 December 2017 18: 59
                      +7
                      Quote: Mikhail Filippov
                      Putin tried to put the West on the "oil and gas needle."

                      And he planted Russia. Now each mongrel is blackmailing with pipelines.
                      1. Mikhail Filippov
                        Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 09: 43
                        0
                        It is the West. And the West is breaking its head now, as if to get off it
            2. dauria
              dauria 25 December 2017 19: 25
              0
              There is at least a minimal chance that in the Kremlin with the advent of Grudinin, people will be remembered.


              Goofy. They attributed, attributed to Putin tricky moves, insightful inhuman ... And now he and all his advisers laughed wink I’ll rather believe that Grudinin is Putin’s cunning move too. Or believe that somewhere in Moscow there is a communist-Leninist, and even under power? wassat What are you buying? To the words "collective farm chairman"? Or the fact that "collective farm. Lenin"? Tfu, continue to participate in the "legitimate power through elections" circus. I’m not going to provide them with “turnout” anymore.
          3. Essex62
            Essex62 25 December 2017 10: 23
            18
            But should this concern us? Pressure is possible only because our so-called elite prays to the west, cut Masonic paper and umbilical cord are connected with, absolute evil - capitalism. Inside it is necessary to turn around, to build a fence and bring to life a lively farce. Why do we need an exchange and a global market? Russia is a self-sufficient country, in the bowels the entire periodic table, got rid of the ballast of the Eastern and Baltic bloodsuckers. The Slav brothers return home very quickly. The production of tights and jeans has been established, but without Bentley and Kruzakov they will survive. You cannot be rich, and not only in a poor country, but simply not. If someone cuts a huge chunk from a public pie, then all the rest is left with crumbs, or even a shish.
            1. Hottabych
              Hottabych 25 December 2017 11: 36
              0
              Quote: Essex62
              Inside it is necessary to turn around, to build a fence and bring to life a lively farce.

              Yeah, they turned around already in the last century a couple of times, and they’ve recently seen enough of a neighbor, how did they bring their farcers to life. Enough!
            2. your1970
              your1970 25 December 2017 12: 51
              0
              Quote: Essex62
              The Slav brothers return home very quickly.
              - we have RB 4 (FOUR !!!!!) Union (all acting !!) - however, they don’t break into something for us. Oh, I’m silent about the Outskirts ...
              Quote: Essex62
              without Bentley and Kruzakov survive
              - first owners Mercedes who was in the USSR? Brezhnev (that's strange, yes ???) and Vysotsky ..
              The current ones, accustomed to good cars, will not sit in the "members"
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 25 December 2017 14: 50
                +7
                Yes, as if to have the Emperor, mind you donated, Merce seems to be not shameful. The difference in the salary of the minister and the skilled machine operator is only three times, well, plus the buns in the form of a personal wheelbarrow and a summer residence (while serving) - it’s ridiculous according to the current layouts.
                They will return if we return the warmest and most humane society in the entire history of civilization. You look Soviet films, what problems people have. Everything around family and love revolves. After all, we really lived like that. No one thought about their daily bread and well-being. It was a given.
              2. Mikhail Filippov
                Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 51
                0
                What for? It’s good to be in Belarus not with Russia, but with Russia. As they say, friendship is friendship, and tobacco apart
          4. Mikhail Filippov
            Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 11: 13
            0
            Is not a fact. At first they would study what kind of person he was, what he intended to do. Look, the West lifted sanctions against Lukashenko, although until recently he was "the last dictator of Europe"
            1. Hottabych
              Hottabych 25 December 2017 11: 38
              0
              You are naive, Mikhail Filipov ...
              1. Mikhail Filippov
                Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 10
                +2
                I mean, even if Navalny won, Russia would hardly have lifted the sanctions. Even if he had given Crimea to Ukraine and stopped helping the Donbass and, in general, let Ukraine go free swimming, they would hardly have lifted the sanctions. The dog of them is there, savage ruskies know, now they will say one thing, then they will say another, and then a new leader will come and say something else
                1. Hottabych
                  Hottabych 25 December 2017 14: 29
                  0
                  I agree with you
                  1. Mikhail Filippov
                    Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 34
                    0
                    For example, a Jackson-Vanik pair. When was it introduced? Even under Brezhnev. And canceled it when? In 2004 Ukraine and in 2012 Russia. And not in 1991 when the communist system and the USSR collapsed and when Russia gave the whole of Eastern Europe to the West
        3. Nonna
          Nonna 25 December 2017 08: 17
          30
          Quote: Stroporez
          He will not give up power under any circumstances.


          Yes, I agree with you 100%. I do not like that the author dragged here the western partners of the Kremlin elite. Say, they will be against the socialist. This liberal capitalist environment of Putin will be against it. They are quite happy with the person who distributes state awards to old women who have put their whole lives on the blackening of the USSR, and then Russia. The oligarchy does not need the socialist Grudinin - for this is a revision of privatization, edros with Kiriyenko will have to smash their head in order to dig up some dirt on him. Yes, and Putin’s speech at the congress - the people hated by the EP and his words - "strength in unity and harmony" - did not add optimism. In a class society, call for agreement? At least strange. In a society where the entire "elite" elite, including sports only "one life", this is the justification for all the vile, and often just criminal acts. And mad salaries. The rest of the people have at least 10 lives, so this people must alone endure all the economic pressure and sanctions on the country. Guide
          Understanding such concepts as “spiritual bonds,” patriotism and “soon we will begin to live better” reach out for “consent”. Seek agreement in a society where Stalin takes the leading lines in the rating of historical figures, and sculpt boards .... to different "marginals" and build Yeltsin centers with wailing walls. For the sake of a narrow minority. It turns out that the people should “agree”. This people is not satisfied with domestic policy in almost all areas. And those in power and the oligarchs feel great. Some increase salaries every year, others are exempted from taxes due to sanctions. Now here are the Eurobonds at%. Those. they will earn money again, first on the withdrawal of capital, and then on the return. No one stutters about the progressive tax. Everything is fine. And the people will live well in the second or maybe fifth of their lives, but they do not have such a privilege. Putin outdid the Communist Party in terms of verbiage and hypocrisy. At the very beginning he admitted that he was a manager. Those. there is a certain "corporation" in which it performs certain management functions. Obviously, it has two main functions: to build a balance of interests of a certain group of oligarchs and to force-protect the territory of their feeding from external and internal threats. And the methods of processing the electorate have long been worked out.
          1. owl
            owl 25 December 2017 11: 38
            +2
            Nonna, it looks like you are from Novy Urengoy ...
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        5. raw174
          raw174 25 December 2017 10: 08
          +8
          Quote: Stroporez
          He will not give up power under any circumstances.

          I will repeat it for the thousandth time: they don’t give power, they don’t give, they don’t transfer, they TAKE it! By force, money, deceit - the third thing, but the power must be taken! If you can’t take it, then you have nothing to do there.
          Regarding the candidate from the Communist Party, he is not known to people, no one knows his merits ... A dark horse has only one way to victory - surety and recommendations from the current one. If he is such a good manager, maybe better at the premiere? Nevertheless, more foreign policy is entrusted to the president ...
          1. freddyk
            freddyk 25 December 2017 11: 15
            +5
            Quote: raw174
            Regarding the candidate from the Communist Party, he is not known to people, nobody knows his merits

            You know, until recently, I also thought so, but the fact that I did not know him did not mean at all that no one knew him. Whoever I tried to "open my eyes" at him was asked in surprise - "Why didn’t you know him?"
          2. freddyk
            freddyk 25 December 2017 11: 19
            +5
            Quote: raw174
            If he is such a good manager, maybe better at the premiere? Nevertheless, more foreign policy is entrusted to the president ...


            So the prime minister, it seems, is the position appointed by the president. Putin will not appoint him for sure. Dimon is his own, but Putin has principles
            1. raw174
              raw174 25 December 2017 13: 31
              +3
              Quote: freddyk
              So the prime minister, it seems, is the position appointed by the president. Putin will not appoint him for sure. Dimon is his own, but Putin has principles

              I'm talking about the hypothetical possibility of applying managerial talents ...
          3. Mikhail Filippov
            Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 11: 20
            +2
            You know, Prokhorov, too, was not particularly known, but in Moscow and Peter in 2012, he beat Putin.
            And about the fact that they take power ... you know, in fact it sounds like a call for a coup.
            1. raw174
              raw174 25 December 2017 13: 37
              +2
              Quote: Mikhail Filippov
              Prokhorov was also not particularly famous, but in Moscow and Peter in 2012, he went around Putin.

              Well, apparently he was known there ... But in general in Moscow and St. Petersburg, the turnout is small (as I personally remember, google laziness), as in other large cities, they do not solve much. Regions will vote for Putin.
              Quote: Mikhail Filippov
              And about the fact that they take power ... you know, in fact it sounds like a call for a coup.

              I do not call))) but the coup is one of the ways to take power, there are a lot of examples ...
              You can also convince voters that you are right, you can discredit your rivals, you can try to bribe the CEC, and a lot of things, like in the war and the laws didn’t stop anyone on the way to power ...
              1. Mikhail Filippov
                Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 11
                +1
                Voters ... you know, the main thing is who considers how, and not who votes how
                1. raw174
                  raw174 25 December 2017 14: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: Mikhail Filippov
                  you know, the main thing is who thinks how and not who votes how

                  For four years I worked in the precinct election commission and in the territorial one too, I know 100% that there were no frauds, the risk was too great, there were a lot of observers and our result always coincided with the results. So I do not agree with you ...
                  1. Mikhail Filippov
                    Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 35
                    0
                    it was with you they were not
          4. Andkor1962
            Andkor1962 25 December 2017 12: 12
            +2
            Take a look at YouTube. I myself recently discovered Grudinina. And since then I think that there is no better candidate for Russia. That would be Shoigu - would vote for him.
          5. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 25 December 2017 12: 40
            +1
            Quote: raw174
            about the candidate from the Communist Party, he is not known to people, no one knows his merits ...

            That's why there is an election campaign to show the people who is who.
            1. raw174
              raw174 25 December 2017 13: 39
              +2
              Quote: forty-eighth
              That's why there is an election campaign to show the people who is who.

              I agree, here we’ll see whose PR specialists are better at fulfilling their pennies ...
        6. AA17
          AA17 25 December 2017 10: 27
          +4
          Dear, Stroporez. And I thought about the author’s words: "... the option is to give up ... in the elections ..." - "These would be words, but to God’s ears."
          .
        7. freddyk
          freddyk 25 December 2017 11: 11
          0
          Quote: Stroporez
          1% of 100, which is under some incredible guarantees of immunity and security for life.

          I could be wrong, but in my opinion, Yeltsin also passed a law on the untouchability of ex-presidents.
          1. your1970
            your1970 25 December 2017 11: 49
            +1
            Quote: freddyk
            I could be wrong, but in my opinion, Yeltsin also passed a law on the untouchability of ex-presidents.
            - you won't believe it belay there is also a position about criminal non-prosecution after the deadline ... lol
            1. Mikhail Filippov
              Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 30
              +3
              Well, firstly, this is the very first Putin’s decree. And secondly ... well, judge for yourself, will our officials and oligarchs give their votes and money to someone who will urge them to hang them on lampposts? Not
          2. Mikhail Filippov
            Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 28
            +2
            Actually, this is Putin’s first law
        8. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 25 December 2017 15: 30
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          He will not give up power under any circumstances, or 1% of 100, which is under some incredible guarantees of immunity and security for life.

          It was the case he gave to Medvedev and went to the premieres. Here, judging by the twisting intrigue, too - the grandmother said for two. If Grudinin has a second result, then he will probably become the prime minister instead of DAM. If, as Volodin writes, the GDP will play in the “give way” option, then no one can prevent the GDP from becoming the prime minister again. Interestingly, both of them had never voiced their decision to run for anything, but then they “shot” in unison, almost simultaneously. What is characteristic of both, they both do not belong to any party, but seem to be self-nominated, but supported by some parties, which could attract the electorate of different political convictions and preferences in their favor, which would simply vote for an alternative, not a party.
      2. Spook
        Spook 25 December 2017 09: 03
        0
        in general, I had a glimpse of a possible replacement at the crucial moment of Putin by Volodin, but it seems that this is not legally feasible, but here it seems to be a legally prepared option.
      3. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 10: 58
        +1
        Putin is surrounded by many people who came to power with him and who owe him wealth ... and power. Because I don’t know, I don’t know. And Putin himself does not come out of United Russia, which has bothered everyone, but as an independent candidate.
        1. Sergey53
          Sergey53 25 December 2017 14: 49
          0
          Liberals are participating in the campaign headquarters. Example-SHUVALOV. SO WHAT WILL CHANGE
      4. lidda47
        lidda47 25 December 2017 11: 11
        +2
        Oh, and what is “with the absence of a receiver from Vl. Vl.” - Is he still living without a radio ??? Maybe we will learn to read and write - the successor - and then we will write in public, eh?!?!?
      5. Sergey53
        Sergey53 25 December 2017 14: 47
        +1
        We need to change our domestic policy with its irremovable leader, MEDVEDEV. Everything in us rests on his opposition to the development of industry, economy, science, education, upbringing and everything that his hands touch, and the destructive influence of his clan LIBERALS. The truth will remain in history as giving 175 sq. Km to Norway, canceling time zones, and then restoring them, and changing daylight saving time there. Well, with the phrase “NO MONEY, BUT YOU KEEP”
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 25 December 2017 10: 50
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... you can agree with the author, but you can - and no ... I'm for the second ...

      1. Cx. in an industrial society there can only be subsidized. Hence, the successful "Red Director" is simply a state (oligarchs), a well-funded promotion.
      2. Another son of a "Russian mother and lawyer." True option is less boorish. But the same slimy.
      3. Then he asked Zhirinovsky “to consider the possibility of joining the ranks of the Liberal Democratic Party of the employees of Lenin State Farm CJSC”.
      4. ALL sites with compromising content are blocked on it.
      5. The “Left Front”, headed by Serg Udaltsov, told about the completion of the election for the presidential candidate from the “left-patriotic forces”. According to the results, most of the 15 thousand participants in the questioning chose the director of the “Name Lenin Farm” Pavlov Grudinin. If Grudinin is a candidate from Udaltsov, then this is not my candidate.
      6. Not completed communist, LDPRovets, but held Edinoros.
      7. It turns out a man without conscience and honor.
      1. dSK
        dSK 25 December 2017 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        this is not my candidate.

        Utopia? But who knows ... Author: Volodin Alexey

        It seems that the head of the State Duma is "PR" in the receivers.
        Just Russia, following United Russia, will not nominate its candidate for the 2018 election and will support the current head of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin. This was stated by the leader of the Socialist Revolutionaries Sergei Mironov after a meeting of the presidium of the central council of the party. This decision is recommended to the party congress on December 25. According to him, “few people doubt Putin’s victory in the upcoming elections.” Therefore, it makes no sense to nominate a candidate who would be among "outsiders with known meager interest," he added. " (Channel "Tsargrad" 20: 47., 24.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    3. horhe48
      horhe48 25 December 2017 11: 59
      +1
      In fact, all the author’s speculations are arguments on the topic of how it could be. Grudinin will take an “honorable second place” in these elections. And there, if, as a result of the next 6-year “shrinkage and utrusi”, it will remain as a political figure then anything can be.
    4. seos
      seos 28 December 2017 15: 12
      0
      For me, as a citizen of Russia, there are 2 fundamental questions: 1) Crimea, 2) Donbass ... when Grudinin is asked questions about the ownership of these territories, he begins to "swim", it bleats that something about world peace and that it is necessary to agree ...
      There is a WAR, they have been destroying us since 1999 ... and he wants to bend down and expose the asshole!
      As a business executive, he is very good, but as president he will be a complete scribe ....
      The ideal option is that Putin wins, but with a minimum margin, and for the unification of the country, Putin has to give the chair to Prime Minister Grudinin ... Putin is engaged in foreign policy, Grudinin's economy ... though there is a percentage chance of such a result ...
      1. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 28 December 2017 16: 28
        0
        We have a presidential republic. And so, for each decision, whether externally or domestically, the president puts his signature. Then it turns out we need to change the system
  2. populist
    populist 25 December 2017 06: 44
    29
    One of the main political topics of the past week can be considered the official refusal to participate in the elections of the permanent chairman of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennady Zyuganov

    The wise decision of Zyuganov and the Communist Party. Grudinin is a very uncomfortable rival for the authorities. It is necessary to provide maximum support for a broad coalition of leftist and national-patriotic forces. good
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 25 December 2017 07: 30
      16
      Quote: populist
      It is necessary to provide maximum support for a broad coalition of leftist and national-patriotic forces.

      We will be able to provide!)
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 December 2017 09: 09
      14
      Quote: populist
      The wise decision of Zyuganov and the Communist Party. Grudinin is a very uncomfortable rival for the authorities. It is necessary to provide maximum support for a broad coalition of leftist and national-patriotic forces.

      No matter how tricky plans people make and whatever they write, I will vote for Grudinin. The author, by the way, does not take into account that Grudinin speaks not only from the Communist Party, but also from the PDS of the NPSR (Boldyrev, Filin, Rokhlina, etc.), and Udaltsov’s left front can be safely attributed here
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 December 2017 07: 01
    +6
    up to the development of the idea of ​​the Supreme Management Council.
    Aleksey, yet this is most likely a utopian idea. Then why should not the initiators of this idea, in parallel with the Supreme Council, put forward the idea of ​​building a "city of the Sun"? To walk, that to walk.
    And until March 18, oh, how much more ranting on the topic of elections will bother - who, where, when and with whom.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 25 December 2017 07: 54
      +1
      40 years ago they did not let Brezhnev go to rest
      and GDP is quite healthy and who will continue his policy, with personal activity of himself.
      Only to transfer it over the course of a year, gradually-smoothly and with the subordination of polit and econom curators for each project.
      Will Grudinin want to introduce a new one?
      How will one and others collide?
      Gref and Sechin in the same ranks with the strawberry harvesting team leader ???
      1. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 31
        +1
        He is “quite healthy” on camera, but we don’t know how things really are.
  4. Alber
    Alber 25 December 2017 07: 02
    +1
    Grudinin ...
    This case is not a former edrosovets? The cunning tricky move of United Russia to nominate disguised "bugs"
    Then there will be no sense for the people.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 25 December 2017 09: 05
      16
      former edrosovets?
      And what? Your Putin is a former komunyuka, ah!
      My countryman and namesake were not only an officer, but also managed to fight for Kolchak, but moved to the Red Army. And now we remember him as Marshal of the Soviet Union. L.A. Govorova.
      1. freddyk
        freddyk 25 December 2017 11: 28
        +5
        I took it off the tongue. At first, many believed in Putin and his party.
        1. seos
          seos 28 December 2017 15: 17
          0
          Editors never was Putin’s party, he never talked about it .... he always hinted that there’s NOTHING to be connected with this party — all economists and political scientists have been talking about this for 10 years, but the people themselves are evil Pinocchio ... .
  5. Nix1986
    Nix1986 25 December 2017 07: 07
    14
    I read about him. If this is so, then why not, the current director with his team with the resources and time provided did not cope with the main tasks, he only pulled the army up.
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 25 December 2017 07: 22
    +5
    This is how Alexey took it and easily destroyed his faith in our incorruptible and unbiased election system. We thought that by voting we influence the future of the country, but it turns out that everything depends on the correct filling of the protocols of the election commission. Horror is simple.
    That is, Putin will simply order the correct vote count, and an unknown person will win the election? But what about the screams of the world community, and where will the international observers be, of whom not so few are eager to come to us?
  7. Conductor
    Conductor 25 December 2017 07: 33
    +9
    It would be an interesting move, but somehow Putin’s circle is not associated with guardians of Russia's interests, and they can be afraid to be without Putin.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 25 December 2017 07: 37
    +2
    Go to the polls and ... give up -
    .... Maybe, but tormented by vague doubts ...
  9. Odysseus
    Odysseus 25 December 2017 07: 41
    +9
    A witty idea, but still unrealizable. The transfer of the presidential power to the Communist Party (and this is the authority and symbolic power of the “Tsar”) means a review of the results of privatization, and in general property relations. As if the Communist Party was now far from the CPSU (b) ( and Marx is even further from Communism), no matter how it is now externally controlled by the AP, for the Russian "elite" this is an excessive risk, and they won’t do it.
    Another thing is that as a working option, one can consider the option of holding elections without an admin resource. And providing full advertising of Grudinin on TV. This means a second round, and this, in turn, will allow Putin to tell the West either me or the Communists. And this will really be a strong move, although smart people in the West may not believe it. But in any case this is a working option. Option B.
    But the main option (based on the actions of the authorities) is Putin’s nationwide choice, he doesn’t come from the parties, but from the “people”, the parties (EP, SR) only support him, he has no alternative, and he wins in the first round. Putin represents all of Russia and the West should reckon with this. Grudinin in this case will be second with 15-17% of the vote.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 25 December 2017 07: 58
      0
      although in the West smart people may not believe it, But in any case this is a working option. Option B.

      Close the Russian Federation in sanctions
      are there all sorts of Cambodia with requests to invest? you can always find oil and gas elsewhere. only then, about 20 years, it is necessary to build and break down the logistics of the old (it is still broken) system of division of labor.
    2. andj61
      andj61 25 December 2017 08: 47
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      A witty idea, but still unrealizable. The transfer of presidential power to the Communist Party (and this is the authority and symbolic power of the “Tsar") means a review of the results of privatization, and in general property relations.

      The idea is witty - I agree, but realizable, albeit with difficulty. Grudinin still has a near-zero rating, almost no one knows him. This campaign is his chance to shine in politics. But Grudinin himself is never a communist; he even once belonged to United Russia. So even the election of Grudinin as president does not mean the transfer of power to the Communists. This is just a non-standard move by Zyuganov, allowing the Communist Party to win several points against the Liberal Democratic Party at the start of the presidential race. hi
    3. E_V_N
      E_V_N 25 December 2017 09: 04
      11
      Quote: Odyssey
      This means a second round, and this in turn will allow Putin to tell the West either me or the communists

      Still, the question remains, why the city fence. Do you think the “West” is about to scratch its turnips and say “No, Putin is better than the Communists”? Will the West lift sanctions, surrender Ukraine, open interest-free credit lines and other buns sprinkled on Russia?
      The question is essentially simple, but is the West so afraid of GDP as the Russian media interpret and some people think here, declaring its lack of alternative? It seems to me that what is desired is presented as valid. There can be no win-win foreign policy without a strong economy and a coherent domestic policy. The United States has a strong economy, therefore, it can dictate to others its conditions and not pay attention but any UN. China made its economy second (or first?) And the United States is already forced to reckon with China, go to negotiations, enter into contracts for hundreds of billions, abandoned the idea of ​​a Pacific partnership, since China did not support it. And this despite the fact that China does not climb into Syria, Afghanistan and other hot spots.
      Yes, Russia can win the battle (Syria), it’s enough economic potential, but winning the war, with a weak economy, critical dependence on Western products and technologies, a declining population, and a corrupt oligarchic elite is hardly probable.
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 25 December 2017 09: 10
      18
      .Putin represents all of Russia
      How humor rides. Putin represents only the oligarchs. Yes, now, as they began to dodge. One message after another that "money is." But if Putin suddenly remains in power, they will begin to compensate for the election costs.
      1. seos
        seos 28 December 2017 15: 21
        0
        The oligarchs do not need a conflict with the West, this is actually proof that Putin does not represent the oligarchs .... the problem is that Putin is trying to please EVERYONE right away and that’s why the economy is on its own ...
        1. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 28 December 2017 16: 30
          0
          Well, why ... they relocate their assets to China and they sneezed to this west. On the contrary, it’s possible to make some profit on defense orders
    5. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 11: 23
      +3
      Putin will tell the West "either me or the Communists," and the West will say "they scared the hedgehog with his bare backside." China cooperates quite closely with the West, but at the same time there are communists
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 25 December 2017 13: 21
        +2
        Quote: Mikhail Filippov
        China cooperates closely with the West, but at the same time there are communists
        The communists are different, in school years I was told that the war between the socialist countries is not possible ... If China is considered socialist, then the events on Damansky and its war with Vietnam, the PRC has denied it. By the way, the socialists are different, for example, at one time, the German workers' national-socialist party, which for the Soviet Union was not only “brother”, but an antipode, since Hitler was brought to power and allowed to rise with only one goal, to create an anti-USSR, from defeated Germany to the First World War, and, like Harry Truman’s, that the Germans and the Russians would kill each other as long as possible. China was allowed to rise, with only one purpose, the creation of a new anti-USSR, anti-Russia, already in the east. Therefore, no one will interfere with the “communists” in “red” China and continue to gain strength at our emptying borders, with our shrinking population, Chinese military will not go across the ocean to the US, and they will not really need the overpopulated and poor south. As long as Russia has the Soviet legacy of a superpower, as long as Russia can destroy the United States, no matter who we are in power, the king, the Democrats or the Communists, if they continue to have this possibility of destroying the States. Will the Chinese and Russians kill each other, doing a good deed for the US in mutually destroying, otherwise China will suppress Russia, but in any case, we have a dangerous neighborhood with a country that does not hide its ambitions for world hegemony, and which has extensive territorial claims. As for the Chinese "communists", they are the same Communists as the Nazis were socialists, from the concept of "national", socialism for the Germans or communism (and the whole world) for the Chinese.
        1. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 15
          +3
          You underestimate China. You think that there are only 2 poles in the world. But in reality there have been 3 of them for a long time, and China is one of them. This is not anti-Russia or anti-USA. This is the third pole of power.

          And by the way, our party functionaries from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union were also not particularly communists, if you judge so
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 25 December 2017 19: 47
            0
            Quote: Mikhail Filippov
            You think that the world has only 2 poles. But in fact, 3 and China have long been one of them.
            Alas, Michael, in the world now there is only one main pole of power, and this is CAPITALISM. Both Russia and China are dependent on this pole, and its true owner, who was finally formed and strengthened after the destruction of the Soviet Union and its bloc of socialist countries. The United States and Britain, the owner, in whose person the transnational monopolies and clans of the world ghouls of the puppeteers, created their own empire, on which the occupied and puppet Europe, Japan, and the oligarchs of present-day Russia, and the "national-communists" of the PRC, are also dependent. A real multi-polar world is possible only when Russia returns an independent system, exits this world pole and its rules of the game, created by the masters. You can, of course, change the dollar to the yuan, but this hell will not be sweeter than radish, rather, on the contrary. As long as we have the Soviet safety margin, there will be an appearance of this "multipolarity", along with "red" China, but as soon as we finally pass it, we will start to lag behind with our chosen capitalism, then our Chinese will come to us with a "copper basin" "brothers-allies", on Russia besieged from all sides. Hopes to have a pole of power in capitalism, squeezing a share from the Anglo-Saxons or building something “parallel”, is a utopia that can be costly for Russia. Therefore, the sooner we return socialism, even if under the conditions of a new super NEP, a temporary alliance with Russian oligarch thieves, the better.
  10. Loess
    Loess 25 December 2017 08: 11
    +1
    Well, I don’t even know ... Something Grudinin does not impress me ...
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 25 December 2017 13: 04
      +7

      Does the stuttering, mumbled Putin impress you? He endlessly thanks all the Moscow bureaucrats who pulled him out of St. Petersburg. Compare this with the confident speech of Grudinin, not bowing and not crouching before anyone.
      1. Loess
        Loess 25 December 2017 13: 47
        +1
        Firstly, I do not consider Putin to be stuttering and haggard, secondly, I have no respect for people who, without presenting arguments, speak about someone in insulting boorish terms, and thirdly, I have not heard a word from Grudinin about how he is going to something to change, because by the pike dictate in my opinion, it’s unlikely that this will work out, and finally Sobchak and Navalny can speak confidently, but it's beautiful to say this is not the main thing. Grudinin may be an arbitrarily successful leader of the Moscow Region economy, but I did not see his talents at the level of the state official.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 26 December 2017 13: 10
          +1
          Quote: Less
          I do not consider Putin stuttering and furious
          Have you watched the video? Did I just throw it here?
          Quote: Less
          without presenting arguments speak out about anyone in abusive language
          What are the arguments? They threw off the whole video to you. Does Putin impress him as an independent and confident person? No no and one more time no.
          Quote: Less
          I did not hear a word from Grudinin about how he was going to change anything
          Open the Communist Party program and read.
          Quote: Less
          but I didn’t see his talents at the level of the state official.
          Ok, what are the major achievements of Putin in the 90-s, working in the mayor's office of St. Petersburg?
          1. Loess
            Loess 26 December 2017 13: 32
            +1
            Point by point:
            Have you watched the video?
            96 video of the year, you would still find a video where he is in the diaper aguket. Personally, put me in front of the camera now, I won’t say a word for I’m not used to public attention, especially if they ask me provocative questions, but this does not mean that I am deaf and dumb.
            What are the arguments? They threw off the whole video to you.
            I admit, I didn’t watch, because your post in which you posted the video made me think that I won’t see anything interesting there, and I would like to hear about the arguments from you and not from YouTube.
            Open the Communist Party program and read
            As far as I know, Grudinin is not a member of the Communist Party.
            Ok, what are the major achievements of Putin in the 90-s, working in the mayor's office of St. Petersburg?
            It was enough for me how he behaved on a post of the prime minister and in a post of IO of the President.
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  12. then
    then 25 December 2017 08: 40
    +4
    An example of a collective farm chairman is already in the presidents. You can see. The results will not differ much. If someone is happy, they can vote. And if you take into account the international situation (a la 39 years), then if not Putin, then Shoigu.
    1. seos
      seos 28 December 2017 15: 24
      0
      Shoigu is definitely not an option, he was already the governor of Moscow Region and blundered ...
      1. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 28 December 2017 16: 31
        0
        And what? Was that a bad guy? He spent very little time with them
        1. seos
          seos 28 December 2017 19: 00
          0
          Well, there are territories that because of Shoigu did not turn out to be New Moscow, at first they announced that these territories would become Moscow, and then Shoigu began to resent that he had been stolen his estate ... and as a result, these residents were left without Moscow buns ... - this exposes Shoigu as an ordinary grabber who tried to deprive of lawful possessions ....
  13. Wayfarer
    Wayfarer 25 December 2017 08: 40
    14
    In theory, it is possible to conclude an agreement between the GDP and Grudinin on fair elections in exchange for the personal integrity of all those who are currently in power. Still, the GDP in 18 will be 66 years old, one feels fatigue in it, it is quite possible to understand the desire to live quietly with family. There is only one but. The fact is that there is an opinion about the dependence and non-independence of GDP as the president of the Russian Federation. If so, then he will not agree to Grudinin and will use the entire resource to maintain power. The fact is that Grudinin will pursue a national policy in the interests of the country that is not pleasing to the West, Grudinin is completely unsatisfied with the West as President of the Russian Federation.

    Let's look at the interests of the West. Indeed, since 2000, Russia has been pursuing a policy that is completely satisfactory for the West, including the return of Crimea to the Russian Federation. Finally, the West can justify the existence of NATO and its expansion to the east, finally the huge US military budget and its further increase are justified, the creation of missile defense in Europe is justified. Finally, the cherished dream of the Russophobes came true: to split the Russian world, to quarrel and make enemies of Russians and Ukrainians. Everything is great for the west. Everyone should be very satisfied there. Of course, they make noise for the order, criticize the GDP, not without it.

    What are the findings? The patriots face a fierce struggle for power in the upcoming elections, do not relax, there will be no concessions from the authorities.
    1. andj61
      andj61 25 December 2017 09: 50
      +5
      Quote: Traveler
      In theory, it is possible to conclude an agreement between the GDP and Grudinin on fair elections in exchange for the personal integrity of all those who are currently in power. Still, the GDP in 18 will be 66 years old, one feels fatigue in it, it is quite possible to understand the desire to live quietly with family.

      If we are talking about agreements, then another option will be more interesting for Putin: fair elections in which Putin, of course, wins: Grudinin is still unknown to the people - for all its merits. Then Putin, paying tribute to the dignified result of Grudinin (if this result is), appoints Grudinin as prime minister - and then, after a while - “I'm tired, I'm leaving ...” The prime minister becomes acting President - and is already using this resource. How do you like this HPP?hi
      1. Wayfarer
        Wayfarer 25 December 2017 11: 10
        +5
        Quote: andj61
        "I'm tired, I'm leaving ..."
        Why does he need Grudinin, for what? Absolutely not needed. Grudinin - an effective figure? So what? We have many such effective and sensible ones. Here are just selected at our staff according to other criteria. GDP will hold onto power; it will resign only if the same candidate is found as GDP itself. For us, this does not change anything. There will be no present, it is necessary to fight and win.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 25 December 2017 13: 48
          +2
          Quote: Traveler
          GDP will hold on to power, it will retire only if the same candidate as GDP is found
          It is unlikely that there is such a candidate now, if we do not speak about a fake “wedding general,” or rather, “wedding president,” whom Medvedev already had when castling with Putin. If Putin is just a friend of the oligarchs, that he is going to continue only to squeeze a share from the West, or to create such an appearance during the Soviet legacy from a superpower, then we must agree that the West will arrange it. The fighting dogs that are dying in a fight for their masters, probably, firmly believe that they are saving their owners, and they, pulling off their pets, only make money. So are wars, confrontations ... If we climbed into capitalism, which took place as a planetary system, with a leader and master already established, we will be addicted, no matter how much you blow your cheeks. It is very doubtful that now it is possible to honestly win the elections, if Putin is a friend and king of oligarchs, only a military coup can change anything in Russia. How good it is, after eating up the Soviet safety margin, is another question. Time will tell who is "Mr. Pu", what can Grudinin, but, in any case, the elections should go.
          1. Wayfarer
            Wayfarer 25 December 2017 16: 18
            +3
            Quote: Per se.
            It’s unlikely that such a candidate is now,
            I do not agree, there are always such ones, just so far they have decided to put on GDP. By the next election, if we win these GDPs, maybe we will see a new face. Someone's hope will flood, and suddenly, but nothing will change: the Yeltsin-Putin course will continue.
            Quote: Per se.
            If we crawled into capitalism, which took place as a planetary system, with an already established leader and master, we will be dependent
            It seems to me that everything would have been different if the head of Russia in the year 91 were a patriot, and not what it was. Only this could not be by definition, for the patriot would not ruin the USSR. Therefore, we received the complete collapse of the country and the extinction of the people.
            Quote: Per se.
            It’s very doubtful that now you can honestly win the election,
            We have no other way, we must fight for the minds of people, go to the polls and vote for Grudinin - this is our civic duty, this is an elementary thing that we must do for our country. And you have to be ready for everything. Do what you must and be what will be.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 25 December 2017 20: 07
              +1
              It happened, as it should have happened, the "graft" of capitalism had to go through. Consider this new super NEP. Will Russia have enough strength and health to recover, to return the lost, we can only hope. "Snickers" ate, "changes" were needed, there is something to compare ... One thing is comforting, however, here you have to become an idealist, that God willing to destroy Russia, Chubais, Gaidar and Yeltsin would come not after 1991, with the legacy of the Soviet superpower, but already in 1917. Yes, and the oligarchs in Russia, instead of Putin, no matter how they treat him, could have found another figure, however, then the army and the people themselves would rebel ... Time will tell, I repeat, it is necessary to go to the polls, in any case.
      2. Andkor1962
        Andkor1962 25 December 2017 12: 31
        +2
        The most realistic option. It seems to me that this will be so. Well, how long can Dimon be prime minister?
      3. Romey
        Romey 25 December 2017 13: 03
        +4
        Quote: andj61
        Quote: Traveler
        In theory, it is possible to conclude an agreement between the GDP and Grudinin on fair elections in exchange for the personal integrity of all those who are currently in power. Still, the GDP in 18 will be 66 years old, one feels fatigue in it, it is quite possible to understand the desire to live quietly with family.

        If we are talking about agreements, then another option will be more interesting for Putin: fair elections in which Putin, of course, wins: Grudinin is still unknown to the people - for all its merits. Then Putin, paying tribute to the dignified result of Grudinin (if this result is), appoints Grudinin as prime minister - and then, after a while - “I'm tired, I'm leaving ...” The prime minister becomes acting President - and is already using this resource. How do you like this HPP?hi

        Alas ... But there is no HPP and has never been in nature. Why would the oligarchy and bureaucracy sign the death sentence for themselves? They are not suicides. Hand on heart, I personally do not believe in the positive outcome of these elections in the literal sense. Voluntarily, Putin will be taken out of the Kremlin only if he kicks ahead or as a result of a conspiracy of friends with the transfer of power to the right oligarchs. Here in this case, then P.N. Grudinin needs to achieve the widest fame. Since we do not have enough information resources, we need to use our campaign to the fullest. And of course, be prepared for the most unfavorable developments.
  14. Clueless
    Clueless 25 December 2017 08: 53
    +8
    A stern man is a worthy man. But Zyuganov merged simply for one simple reason, the same Sobchak will gain more votes than he is a blow to his authority :) Current Zhirinovsky did not understand this yet. Young people have already gotten a lot, they want stability (that is, Putin), but at the same time they want changes - and they simply vote for Sobchak from the principle, knowing that Putin will win anyway, but they will show the authorities that it’s time to change in the country , and remove many officials from the feeder.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 25 December 2017 17: 22
      +5
      Quote: Bad
      Young people have already gotten a lot, they want stability (that is, Putin), but at the same time they want changes - and just from the principle they will vote for Sobchak,

      Well do not tell. I’m never old - 24 years old. But I will not vote for this mare even under torture by Dom-2. Like most of my friends and many of my peers. True, there are especially alternatively trained (HSE) individuals who will vote either for Navalny or for Sobchak. Well, not for Putin! And they don’t need a business executive, because we don’t need production if we can buy cheap in China. Only such a pair, well - three. All
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 December 2017 18: 28
        0
        For Putin - with him the whole economy, in the country, is rising normally.
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 26 December 2017 08: 36
          +2
          I agree. But as for once, an adequate alternative to Grudinin is just that. It has better chances to win over a large number of votes.
        2. seos
          seos 28 December 2017 15: 29
          0
          The question is this - either the foreign policy and authority of the country or the development of entrepreneurship and agriculture ....
          According to Grudidin, there is a saying: "tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are," and next to him there are constantly some kind of murky characters rubbing ...
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 28 December 2017 16: 25
            0
            "tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are"
            and with whom muddy personalities like Shuvalov, Sechin, Iedvedev rub?
            1. seos
              seos 28 December 2017 19: 10
              0
              such as Shuvalov, Sechin, Iedvedev
              - these are muddy personalities of the "Common Thief" class, and next to Grudinin rub those personalities who want even more liberalization and the harm from them will not just be not just stealing the budget ... I would predict the transition of the social system to caste - the government milks everyone - officials entrepreneurs are milking - entrepreneurs, thanks to the liberalization of legislation, milk the unauthorized population, the problem is that "entrepreneurs" need liberalization of the legislation and a complete rejection by the state of any supervisory actions ... which will result in only hawthorn and soy substitutes remaining on the shelves TU ... and no one will be punished for food poisoning ... dead means you yourself are to blame ...
  15. groks
    groks 25 December 2017 08: 54
    +3
    And what to do with the power of the Communist Party? They talked everyone, and now do it ?! Unrealistic.
    And the communist from him, like a ballerina with me.
    1. your1970
      your1970 25 December 2017 13: 04
      0
      given the presence in the Communist Party oligarchs? begin to privatize themselves?
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 25 December 2017 13: 09
      +3
      Quote: groks
      They talked everyone, and now do it ?!
      Are you talking about EdRo? They once filled their hand in loud slogans before the election. True, after the election they forget about their fiery speeches instantly and continue to row the loot.
      Quote: groks
      And what to do with the power of the Communist Party?
      The Communist Party has a program. Many national-patriotic organizations cooperate with the Communist Party. Will sort it out.
      1. groks
        groks 25 December 2017 13: 54
        +1
        Slogans are pushing everything. But no one realizes.
        How to figure it out? Nobody will let them break the system. In general, the difference with the 90s is that now you can’t just turn around. The ruling .... group, did everything very well - without a practically revolution, it will not work at least to change something. But nobody wants a revolution. That deprivatization will not be tantamount to a civil war?
        1. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 28 December 2017 16: 34
          0
          In fact, the demolition of the 90s began ... in the 90s, more precisely under Yeltsin. When the seven-bankers appeared.
          1. groks
            groks 28 December 2017 18: 10
            0
            Current system.
  16. brom
    brom 25 December 2017 09: 00
    0
    4 years ago, Crimea as part of Russia was considered a utopia, and victory over the ISIS banned in Russia in Syria was also a victory.


    Does the author even know the meaning of the word "utopia"?
  17. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 25 December 2017 09: 01
    +1
    I liked the statement of Grudinin that one should not be rich in a poor country. This is somewhat reminiscent of Adenauer's policy in the FRG; he also said something like: it is unfair when a skilled worker receives more than a beer merchant. As a result, Germany recovered very quickly! (and there was also a shortage of male labor)
    Although the same Adenauer said that the goal of a politician is not to be right but to remain right. What is very problematic in our country, breaking the system is always through a crisis (Greek court)
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 25 December 2017 11: 01
      +7
      In my opinion, he considered it unfair that a skilled worker gets less (and not more) a beer trader.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 25 December 2017 14: 38
        0
        exactly i was wrong
  18. Boris55
    Boris55 25 December 2017 09: 01
    +6
    For beaten, two not beaten give
    If anyone forgot, the Communist Party supported the marsh, organized by the State Department. Whoever likes us to rule from behind a puddle - vote for the Communist Trotskyists. Personally, I will vote for Putin. The last step remained for gaining independence. It will be a pity if we exchange this real chance for lace panties.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 25 December 2017 13: 11
      +6
      Quote: Boris55
      Personally, I will vote for Putin. The last step remained for gaining independence.
      Thanks, funny joke. 17 years, Mr. Putin was not enough to gain independence. And now suddenly 6 years is enough. Just like a student with a term paper: three months old, and then in three days he does everything. Some kind of childish approach, don’t you?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 25 December 2017 13: 20
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        And now suddenly 6 years is enough

        I have already written here more than once. 1) It was NOT necessary to let Russia fall apart. 2) It was necessary to feed people. 3) Provide food and military security. 4) Ensuring economic security - which is what Putin will have to do in the next term.
        There is no point in fighting for the independence of a crumbling state. The hungry people are unable to restore anything. And so on. Everything goes according to plan. Do not bother him.
        Video ~ 0: 45
  19. Monetniy
    Monetniy 25 December 2017 09: 08
    +8
    It is time to abandon imperial ambitions to close in one’s own country and begin to build economy and agriculture, Grudinin is best suited for the role of president of an agricultural country.
    1. andj61
      andj61 25 December 2017 09: 58
      +8
      Quote: Monetniy
      It is time to abandon imperial ambitions to close in one’s own country and begin to build economy and agriculture, Grudinin is best suited for the role of president of an agricultural country.

      This is just wonderful, only Russia, due to its size, geographical location, available resources and the living population, can exist exclusively in the form of an empire. Otherwise, either it will fall apart, or fall apart from the outside. The second option is more likely. In the early 90s, the status of the empire was abandoned - and by 2000 the country was on the verge of collapse. So, movement along the path of rebuilding an empire is an indispensable condition for the existence of Russia!
      And Grudinin is still like a “black box” - he is a very good business executive, a very reasonable person, but it’s not clear what kind of president he will be!
      1. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 11: 28
        +2
        Under Alexander III, Russia was an empire, but it was not particularly involved in any conflicts. The country has not broken up
        1. Nix1986
          Nix1986 25 December 2017 11: 46
          +8
          Yeah, and the degradation continued on. Google about the reform of the abolition of serfdom, which ultimately happened. When the redemption payments were canceled and calculated after the well-known events in 1904-1906, the following picture surfaced - the value of the distributed land was about 560 million, and the peasantry had already paid 1,5 billion rubles by that time, they pulled out all the juices. This is just one fact. The peasantry at the time of the events of 1917 amounted to 85% of the population, therefore, the opus about the paid revolution did not channel, 85% of the population could not physically pay. Now the situation is very similar, there is a very small part of the population that owns more than 90% of the country's resources, and the main thing is illegally obtained in the dashing 90s, this is a wild situation and their guarantee is GDP, not ours.
          1. your1970
            your1970 25 December 2017 13: 08
            0
            This is possible in one single case - when poverty becomes widespread as in RI - when more than 80% of the population did not have ANYTHING at all, they had nothing to lose at all. That is why THEN they burned, gouged out the eyes of the tribal horses, cut down gardens - out of hatred of the rich, and not out of a desire to cash in / redo ....
            Now 1) almost everyone has something to lose, 2) there is no hatred - there is ENVY to the rich. Out of envy - they can steal, write a denunciation, make a dirty trick (dump an egg on a car / scratch it with a nail). But this is not enough for the revolution. That's when he ripens to such a thing - that they gathered as a team, discussed and went to kill a rich man / his guard / his wife / his children (including infants) - only then do revolutions happen, not coups / Maidan
            Moreover, the presence of ALL local poor is strictly necessary - otherwise there will be a simple redistribution of the rich from one to the other, which happened in Ukraine. It seems that all the evils were on the regime - and quite a few terbats and other bandits went to kill. And the majority sat / sits to one side .

            And do not confuse the poverty of the times of RI with the current poverty - it is different. The present proletariat has something to lose ...
            1. Nix1986
              Nix1986 25 December 2017 13: 31
              +2
              As for envy, this is your personal, do not drag. I personally don’t envy, if a person has earned his own work I have nothing against it, I have a need for justice and banal compliance with the requirements of laws, which is not there. Almost all of the oligarchs have acquired their business in one way or another illegally, the other part of the simply banal rich people use their position - from judges to deputies. We do not have a week, so some drunken judge on a piston cayenne is ramming someone. That is IT’s eyes hurts a lot, but as long as the GDP is not going to change anything, we’ll just less and less know what is happening inside our country and more and more how they’ve fought in Syria like a h.p. in. in Ukraine and how much BDSM in Europe.
              1. your1970
                your1970 26 December 2017 15: 38
                0
                Quote: Nix1986
                I personally don’t envy, if a person has earned his own work I have nothing against it, I have a need for justice and banal compliance with the requirements of laws, which is not there.
                -the tax instead of 95% of the budget collects 20% of everything. "A man made his own work" and WHY SOMETHING does not want to pay taxes categorically, he does not want to "abide by the requirements of laws" ....
          2. Mikhail Filippov
            Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 17
            0
            Did I say anything about the revolution? She actually was under Nicholas
            1. Nix1986
              Nix1986 25 December 2017 14: 26
              +2
              I'm not talking about the revolution, but about maintaining the current course and the state of things. It would be possible to maintain the current state of things if everything was ok with us, but as with us, the oil will shake again and the revolution will roll up well or we will be very close to the boiling point.
              1. Mikhail Filippov
                Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 39
                0
                That is, it turns out that Russia is a hostage of officials and oligarchs in fact. For a change in the exchange rate and oil prices is, first and foremost, a blow to their pocket, because their money is all on resources. Another example is China. They slightly changed course, they carried out reforms (in particular, collective farms were abolished), they became stronger and did not break up
                1. Nix1986
                  Nix1986 25 December 2017 14: 45
                  0
                  We can only dream about the path of China or Korea. Not a small role is played by culture, which of us would act as Cho Hyun ??? Yes, few. That's all the answers.
                  1. Mikhail Filippov
                    Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 57
                    0
                    The Chinese and Koreans are fanatical workaholics. They will not look for a pike that will do everything to them "at the command of the pike." The main vice from the point of view of the Chinese is greed. Not wealth or poverty, but greed. Including the greed of power. Yes, one party rules them, but the general secretaries there are not life-long
      2. seos
        seos 28 December 2017 15: 36
        0
        Look at the debates and speeches of Grudinin - he says everything is right and good, but he made it clear that he will make concessions in order to lift the sanctions ... he is ready to exchange sovereignty for the fact that we would not have much (they will not care, but ass will not be fatally torn)
        According to Grudinin, Russia's role is to be a Western bitch! (he speaks about this in all his speeches, only in beautiful words)
    2. raw174
      raw174 25 December 2017 10: 29
      +5
      Quote: Monetniy
      It is time to abandon imperial ambitions to close in one’s own country and begin to build economy and agriculture, Grudinin is best suited for the role of president of an agricultural country.

      Joke? I hope so, because the last experience of shutting down and developing would lead to a deficit and subsequent collapse, but if the Internet existed at that time, the USSR would collapse back in the 70s ...
      1. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 11: 29
        +1
        I gave an example above, when the country didn’t go anywhere, but it didn’t break up
        1. raw174
          raw174 25 December 2017 14: 20
          +3
          Quote: Mikhail Filippov
          I gave an example above, when the country didn’t go anywhere, but it didn’t break up

          Times have changed, then our energy sources were not so valued beyond the hill ...
          1. Mikhail Filippov
            Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 40
            0
            then oil for the hill was not sold at all - the king banned
            1. raw174
              raw174 25 December 2017 14: 55
              +2
              Quote: Mikhail Filippov
              then oil for the hill was not sold at all - the king banned

              No one really needed her ...
              1. Mikhail Filippov
                Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 15: 19
                0
                Well, why ... is needed. for example, already then they started using cars, planes. Including military needs. And what did they run with?
                1. CT-55_11-9009
                  CT-55_11-9009 25 December 2017 17: 26
                  0
                  The question is rhetorical, however, I will answer. Kerosene.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 25 December 2017 17: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: CT-55_11-9009
                    The question is rhetorical, however, I will answer. Kerosene
                    more precisely gasoline
                    "Gasoline or gas gasoline (according to the Russian pre-revolutionary nomenclature -" rigolen "or" petroleum ether ") - the most volatile, water-insoluble liquid hydrocarbons, specific gravity from 0,6 to 0,68 (from 100 to 75 ° Bome), included in the composition of oil and capable of very easily transitioning to a vapor state, which depends precisely on their low boiling point of about 30-70 ° C. The same hydrocarbons, but with an average higher boiling point, are called gasoline. gasoline always contains some gasoline. "
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 7 January 2018 18: 16
          0
          Foreign policy activity during the time of Alexander 3 was very high. The Russian-French Union began to take shape under him. The country simply did not participate in military conflicts. The emperor believed that Russia had already reached its natural borders and the expansion of the territory should be stopped.
      2. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 58
        0
        So our closes were closed, but no one thought about development
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 25 December 2017 11: 03
      0
      We have long been an urbanized country. In rural areas, less than a quarter of the population lives. And with no carriages the overwhelming majority of the townspeople, including people from the villages, cannot be lured already.
      1. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 14: 20
        0
        In the USA they were able to lure people to conquer the "wild west"
        1. raw174
          raw174 25 December 2017 14: 56
          +2
          Quote: Mikhail Filippov
          In the USA they were able to lure people to conquer the "wild west"

          Adventurers and crooks in pursuit of gold and new lands.
          1. Mikhail Filippov
            Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 15: 23
            0
            Here. Gold. You see, people were interested in something, right? Further, the gold mine became a city-forming enterprise. Others settled there who came to earn extra money
            1. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 25 December 2017 17: 27
              0
              And then the empty mines gave ghost towns. Because the miners roamed en masse to the next explored deposits.
              1. Mikhail Filippov
                Mikhail Filippov 25 December 2017 17: 54
                0
                Nevertheless, they do not have huge bare territories
                1. CT-55_11-9009
                  CT-55_11-9009 26 December 2017 08: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Mikhail Filippov
                  Nevertheless, they do not have huge bare territories

                  Compare country area, population, and population density. For starters, they have a smaller country, and a larger population. In addition, large areas are given for grazing, agricultural. And now find in Siberia, especially north of the parallel of the 65-70th suitable land for the same purpose. Yes, there is only the desire to live, except for mining. By the way, I’m silent about the permafrost, they only have such conditions in Alaska, and we have it all over the north, and depending on longitude, it varies in spread to the south.
                  1. Mikhail Filippov
                    Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 09: 46
                    0
                    And who is stopping us from “growing" the population? For example, due to the Slavic population of post-Soviet countries. Settle them somewhere, give lift ...
                  2. your1970
                    your1970 26 December 2017 09: 50
                    +1
                    moreover on half US territory is possible (and harvested) 2 crops per year - and we do not have such territories
                    The northern border with Canada runs geographically at the Kharkiv level - it’s not quite correct to compare us even with Canada, but there’s no talk about the United States
                    1. Mikhail Filippov
                      Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 13: 23
                      0
                      Damn, then why is the whole territory of Finland cultivated? Whatever a piece of land, then a family farm. And they are located far north of Kharkov. The problem is that there are not enough people - but this problem is solved
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 26 December 2017 15: 43
                        +1
                        1) the territory of Finland is far from being completely processed
                        2)
                        Quote: Mikhail Filippov
                        not enough people - but this problem is solved
                        "Do you have a photocopy machine that allows you to print people? Or do you know how to lure people to villages? About a large salary, you don’t need to -"
                        this year, our farmers paid 20-25 thousand per month + 30-40 tons of grain each - for some reason, there were no crowds wanting to plow in the field ...
                        The people said, "We better go to Moscow on guard to guard the same grandmothers."
                2. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 7 January 2018 18: 27
                  0
                  They have an effective territory (effective area in another way) of the country (google on the Internet what it is, too lazy to write) 7,9 million square kilometers out of 9 million total area. In Brazil, the effective area generally coincides with the total area of ​​the country. We, God forbid, have 5,5 out of 17 million. In our country, by almost 70% of the territory, by definition, many people will never live. We are in first place in the world in terms of total area, but in fifth place in terms of effective territory after Brazil (who has the first place, and according to some sources, this country can argue with us on mineral reserves!), USA, Australia and China . The only thing that somewhat refutes the thesis about the incredible complexity of managing such a huge country as ours. Indeed, a quarter of the country's territory really needs daily management, plus individual foci, clots in the remaining three quarters.
    4. zoolu350
      zoolu350 25 December 2017 19: 20
      0
      No refusals from imperial ambitions, but to realize these ambitions is not a pity and clumsy, as the Russian oligarchy does, but ambitiously and powerfully, as Stalin did.
  20. Spez
    Spez 25 December 2017 09: 50
    +7
    “You cannot be rich in a poor country”

    I recall a joke:
    In 1917, the Decembrist’s granddaughter hears a noise on the street and sends a servant to find out what is the matter.
    Soon, the servant returns:
    - There is a revolution, mistress!
    - Oh revolution! It's great! My grandfather was also a revolutionary! And what do they want?
    “They want the rich not to be.”
    - It’s strange ... And my grandfather wanted there to be no poor.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 25 December 2017 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Spez
      I recall a joke:

      Have you heard the thread about socialism under tsarism?
      1. Spez
        Spez 25 December 2017 11: 05
        +1
        It is in this wording not. Can you explain in a nutshell?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 25 December 2017 11: 28
          0
          In a nutshell.
          We are convinced that the initial capital must be necessarily criminal. However, it is not. In Russia before the tsars and during their time there was communal capital. Most of the factories and manufactories in tsarist Russia were organized with the money of the Old Believers, whose "owner" was the hired manager appointed by the council of the oldest. At his death or poor work - he changed to another. The property of factories, manufactories, did not inherit. This did not fit into the idea of ​​capitalism by the authorities. The confrontation grew, which ultimately led to the revolution of 17 ...
          The war between the faith of the alien and the faith of our ancestors continues to this day. How, how Putin managed to rearm the army, for what money - for the West this remains a mystery.
          1. Spez
            Spez 25 December 2017 11: 38
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            We are convinced that the initial capital must be criminal.

            May I continue to read?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 25 December 2017 11: 40
              +1
              Quote: Spez
              May I continue to read?

              Can. But do not forget, hiding your head in the sand, the ass always remains accessible to all comers.
              1. Spez
                Spez 25 December 2017 11: 43
                +1
                The butt has no head. Respect the Russian language.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 25 December 2017 11: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Spez
                  The butt has no head. Respect the Russian language.

                  Where does the head come from, if you put it in the sand. laughing
                  In general, that’s all. hi
                  1. Spez
                    Spez 25 December 2017 11: 53
                    +1
                    Sorry...
          2. your1970
            your1970 25 December 2017 13: 13
            0
            Quote: Boris55
            In Russia before the tsars and during their time there was communal capital. Most factories, manufactories
            -bearing off to the kings, there was no community capital ...
            And the majority of factories - the acts of Peter 1 when (even forcibly sometimes!) Was appointed the last one, he was given a village / two / three and forth. To consider criminal capital acquired through wild exploitation (sometimes for food !!) is a moot point : after all, he didn’t steal, he himself earned the Demidov / other then oligarchs

            Quote: Boris55
            The war between the faith of the alien and the faith of our ancestors continues to this day. How, how Putin managed to rearm the army, for what money - for the West this remains a mystery.
            - the Old Believers gave ???????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fool fool fool

            1. Boris55
              Boris55 25 December 2017 14: 05
              0
              Quote: your1970
              -bearing off to the kings, there was no community capital ...

              How do you know how they lived in Russia before Christianization? laughing
              Quote: your1970
              most of the factories are the deeds of Peter 1

              Peter I built capitalism, and the Old Believers lived and live under socialism.
              Quote: your1970
              - did the Old Believers give?

              I guessed. There are many of them in the management of various property. Surnames - do not ask, I won’t give.
              1. your1970
                your1970 25 December 2017 14: 42
                0
                1)
                Quote: Boris55
                How do you know how they lived in Russia before Christianization?
                - I don’t observe pre-Christian money in necessary quantities in the numismatic circulation - the foundations of ANY capital ... The question is, how do you know HOW then you lived?
                2) Old Believers - "in the management of different property"? !! Well, well ...
                Then they are the same Old Believers-as the Communist Party-the Communist Party, and Zyuganov-the Communist !!
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 25 December 2017 14: 53
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  I do not observe in numismatic circulation


                  Quote: your1970
                  How do you know how they lived then?

                  From history and annals. Pre-Christian Russia conducted trade with different countries and this was not always barter.

                  About Old Believers: http://rpsc.ru/
      2. istepanov
        istepanov 25 December 2017 12: 00
        +1
        How much can you promote this Russophobic "face." Engaged in a centennial purposefully disgusting ro .., lying in every letter. Jewish reminder to the occupied goyim, hu who.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 25 December 2017 11: 56
      +1
      This joke is the work of the liberals (the present proves this).
      1. Spez
        Spez 25 December 2017 12: 09
        +2
        Most likely you are right. But he is, and he will work against the slogan. There are also likely to be those who are dissatisfied with the term “poor country,” primarily rivals-competitors will cling to it. The argument may sound "iron", "and who prevented you from making it rich while you were in power?"
        So it is necessary to approach such questions more carefully and accurately so that the electorate does not have bad thoughts that this PR project is a programmed discharge.
  21. BAI
    BAI 25 December 2017 10: 36
    +1
    4 years ago, Crimea as part of Russia was considered a utopia, and victory over the ISIS banned in Russia in Syria was also a victory.

    But this is Putin, and what Grudinin is capable of is unknown.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 25 December 2017 11: 58
      10
      What Putin is capable of is already clear, much more. But Grudinin - he will cope with the team, you just need to help him become president.
    2. alexandrastafiev
      alexandrastafiev 25 December 2017 12: 09
      +3
      Yes, Putin did well as a politician. And Syria and China and Europe, and that Russia as the USSR did not fall apart, are living examples. But the growing poverty of Russians is the same purely private the Plato system for collecting budget money means Putin as a full-time manager-economist .....
      1. your1970
        your1970 25 December 2017 13: 25
        0
        Quote: alexandrastafiev
        the same purely private Plato system for collecting budget money
        - I’m embarrassed to ask - where did the drivers get budget money ??!
        And if you mean honest drivers who pay taxes to the state on time and in full, then there are NO such in nature !! The tax collects only 20% of the budget - and it must collect at least 90%. But the trouble is that it does not pay taxes - it’s far does not want ...
        however, not only he - IP and LLC shouting "about the nightmare of business" also mow from taxes to the last ...
        1. alexandrastafiev
          alexandrastafiev 26 February 2018 09: 21
          0
          I explain: all the money collected by the state from citizens and organizations directly or through all sorts of “gaskets” like Plato is the budget of the Russian Federation. And the fact that people refuse to pay taxes and other things in full - yes it is. For better or for worse. And to collect money from the population in favor of a frankly private company, in my opinion, is a hundred times worse.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 January 2018 18: 30
        0
        Where do you see the growing poverty of Russians?
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 7 January 2018 18: 37
          0
          The number of poor in Russia in a year has decreased by 300 thousand. This is evidenced by the data of the Federal State Statistics Service for the first half of 2017, published on September 25.

          According to the statistics agency, the number of Russian citizens with an income below the subsistence level is 21,1 million people - 14,4% of the total population. Exactly one year ago, this indicator was at around 14,6%.

          Also, according to Rosstat estimates, the cost of living increased in the second quarter of 2017 to 10 rubles per person per month (in the first quarter it amounted to 329 rubles). At the same time, the average per capita income of citizens in Russia as a whole in the second quarter reached 9 rubles a month.

          In a word, according to Rosstat, life is getting better. But this optimism, alas, is not shared by other researchers. Https: //svpressa.ru/economy/article
          / 182062 /
          1. alexandrastafiev
            alexandrastafiev 26 February 2018 09: 23
            0
            To paraphrase Mark Twain, let’s say this: "... rumors of an increase in the well-being of Russians, to put it mildly, are greatly exaggerated ..."
  22. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 25 December 2017 10: 55
    12
    Whether the GDP can fulfill its election promises, ask yourself this question, I personally answer it NO. May presidential decrees were not implemented, 25 million new jobs were not created, someone was fired for this, he was punished, according to various sources, we have from 20 to 37,5 million. RUSSIAN CITIZENS live below the poverty line. The COUNTRY faces two topical issues, the solution of which is of paramount importance for the country - SOCIAL EQUALITY and CRIMINAL PROCEDURAL EQUALITY, the ratio of wealth to poverty exceeds 1: 20, which happens in law enforcement and judicial bodies that cannot be understood at all whether there is power, putting forward the political will of the president I’m thinking that I will not resolve my candidacy for a new term. To do this, it is necessary to break down the management system, remove many others from the team from the authorities, build the most severe control over the work performed and its results, a professional who is honest and dedicated to the FATHERLAND is needed. There should be one slogan EVERYTHING FOR PEOPLE is for a simple PEOPLE. THE GUARANTEE OF THE CONSTITUTION is not just sitting in the Kremlin, with the slogan "it is not in the competence of the Kremlin", the KREMLIN must quickly and harshly, even cruelly, respond to all violations, FOR ALL because everything is not good in our country and suffer from this outrage in the first place a simple PEOPLE, the government must reach it, the authorities must reach it, protect it, create comfortable conditions for it in all spheres of life, which it could not do, but it’s a pity.
    1. your1970
      your1970 25 December 2017 13: 27
      0
      Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
      EVERYTHING FOR THE PEOPLE is for the simple PEOPLE.
      - I’m embarrassed to ask why L.I. Brezhnev needed a Mercedes ???? !!!!!
      He apparently when he rode on it - he thought about ordinary people .......
  23. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 25 December 2017 10: 57
    +5
    Really for the Communist Party honest people and Russia !!!!
  24. renics
    renics 25 December 2017 11: 02
    +4
    (It can turn into dust all the sanctions regimes and the billions of dollars spent by Russia's big “friends.” How? It would seem like a completely radical option to give up ... in the elections.) The author went nuts, it was the West who personally inspired or guaranteed that without Putin everything cancel. Or the option as with Gorbachev promised not to expand NATO to the East.
    1. lidda47
      lidda47 25 December 2017 11: 17
      0
      Yes, I finally laughed, reading this "opus" - in what nonsense did he write?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 25 December 2017 11: 38
        +5
        Itself, not described?
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 25 December 2017 11: 40
      +6
      God be with him, with the West! We are self-sufficient with the right ruler and fair system.
  25. Macross
    Macross 25 December 2017 11: 03
    +2
    But who will believe the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, if it is an abbreviation that was killed, crap knows when. Just look where the Communist Party celebrated the October Revolution as a guest. The Emperor.
  26. a housewife
    a housewife 25 December 2017 11: 04
    +2
    And how much money does this socialist have? And if one cannot be rich in a poor country, then why is he so rich? Or is the country still rich? Then why blame her? And if he is such a good manager, let him first show himself as the chairman of the government. One agricultural worker has already commanded the country. And what is this rich Communist Party trying to promote, they are for social equality. Or not already?
    1. Antivirus2k
      Antivirus2k 25 December 2017 11: 24
      +6
      This "rich" himself earned. And earned so that his collective farm is a dream. Everyone would like to work there, get an apartment and social guarantees. And Putin’s “rich” friends are XNUMX% thieves who have profited from the popular good, which, by the way, belongs to you. And against their background Grudinin is a rogue. As for the "chairman of the government", is he called there? Putin does not even allow his mediocre Medvedev to touch a finger, despite the fact that everyone already hates him. You open your eyes, write such trivialities that it’s even a shame.
      1. your1970
        your1970 25 December 2017 13: 41
        0
        "It’s worthwhile to dwell on the property of Mr. Grudinin. More precisely, on the issues of his property, since the last publicly available declaration of income was posted on the Internet back in 2009. A pair of houses of 340 square meters on a plot of 17 acres, an apartment in Moscow and Toyota-" rafik "- that’s all his wealth. Well, the monthly income is one million rubles (in 2009 prices more than not bad)."
        "The state farm, in which a candidate for Russian presidency allegedly serves as chairman, has in fact long been a private Company. 20 years ago, 526 state farm employees were really shareholders there, but now their number has decreased to 40, and most of the shares are concentrated in the hands of several managers. At the very Grudinin, for example, there are about 40% of them."
        A collective farm is a dream? Well, for very, very many - a million a month - this is really a dream
        7 528 620 000,00 balance financial CJSC (2015) - 40% of the Grudininsky make him a billionaire (in rubles) repeat truth)
      2. raw174
        raw174 25 December 2017 14: 06
        +4
        Personally, I do not dispute what
        Quote: Antivirus2k
        This "rich" himself earned.
        Well done that he himself has earned and gives people the opportunity, but it’s not because of spiritual kindness, but to preserve their own production. I repeat, I welcome this, but do not draw a saint, because interest is selfish and not single. I personally know one director of a state farm in our Urals (do not ask who, take a word, the way it is), he also builds houses for his workers, small (70-100 squares), but solid, gives loans at a very low interest, plus about 2-3 million rubles. spends annually on charity (mainly sports and culture), he himself pays for the supply of gas to the homes of his employees. What for? Yes, it’s just that it’s impossible to keep people in the village, for all this seemingly generosity, it’s impossible to keep people, you always need to give something. Young people do not want to work on a combine, even if it is not inferior in comfort to a near-luxury car. All these benefits for hard workers are aimed at their preservation in the village. And yet, to develop an enterprise in Moscow is not the top of professionalism, but he would try to work 300-400 km from the city, that’s where the manager’s talent is needed! here logistics is added to the problem of lack of hands ...
      3. a housewife
        a housewife 26 December 2017 02: 16
        +1
        I kinda didn’t even mention Putin! I'm about Grudinin. Itself earned - it's cool !! I started right there with six hundredths, a chopper in my hands and went and went. So he earned the first million, bought the first tractor. And then ... No, probably not like that. I just don’t know what kind of education my comrade has. Well, an agronomist, probably. He came to work in the countryside, saved on everything, put off his salary, from morning to night in the field. So he earned a million and leased the first hectares ...
        What are you doing here, storyteller. From somewhere I got money, land and a position, and then I started to earn money. That's where I got it - the first question. I do not believe. I DO NOT BELIEVE ONE RICH RICH THAT I EARNED FROM AND TO HONEST !!! Well, not one! If not, give an example! The Russian proverb of law - you won’t make stone chambers from the works of the righteous! Then you can do anything you want - to develop farms and enterprises, do charity work, donate everything to a hospital or some kind of fund. Tell me - where did everything come from at first! When you take the whole story - everything happens only for the sake of receiving money. Wars, revolutions, coups, discoveries, looting and splits are being made. Digs are money. No need to tell that right now the ruler is bad, but you need to put the good, and everything will work out. That's bullshit. One is better, the other is worse, but no one canceled the money, comrades. Peter the first suffered the theft of Menshikov, because in addition to theft he was involved in business. Set another, he will steal in the same way, but he won’t do anything. And to put you President, then, of course, you will push your friends away! say so? Or will they be around you? And when the Soviet regime was somehow different? Imagine - the same thing! And why did they arrange privatization? She herself heard the words of Chubais - in order to rob the Communists of property. Taken away? Taken away! There was something to take away! Notice, not among the people, but among the Communists! Just do not mention honest communists, ordinary workers, teachers and so on. They were not sitting at the feeding trough. Okay, they took it away - where did they do it, distributed it to the people? Shchazz! And immediately, a lot of honest capitalists appeared in the country who "earned everything themselves!" Maybe all this is triviality, only pure truth!
        1. raw174
          raw174 26 December 2017 06: 38
          +4
          Quote: housewife
          I'm about Grudinin. Itself earned - it's cool !! I started right there with six hundredths, a chopper in my hands and went and went.

          Again, from the experience of acquaintance with the same business executive, I’ll say that they all inherited from the USSR, at the right time were in the right place and fussed. But from my point of view, it’s good that they got into it - business executives.
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 26 December 2017 12: 39
            +1
            And how much is "fussing"? What a good word! The great and mighty Russian language! Not a single foreigner will fully understand. A capacious word. It can include everything from a bribe, fraud and fake signatures to good acquaintances, relatives, a profitable marriage. I’m not talking about Grudinin specifically, I don’t know anything about him, I’m generally. But any person understands that everything is not just like that. You yourself said - he was fussing.
          2. Mikhail Filippov
            Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 13: 18
            0
            The main thing is not only to take, but also to develop
        2. your1970
          your1970 26 December 2017 09: 53
          0
          The tax budget gives to the budget only 20% - despite the fact that it should give at least 95%
          Nobody stupidly pays taxes - neither "honest businessmen", nor shameful FE, nor any LLC ...
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 25 December 2017 11: 37
      +5
      Why don't you envy any of the liberals?
  27. Magadan
    Magadan 25 December 2017 11: 05
    14
    I personally will vote for Grudinin.
    1. lidda47
      lidda47 25 December 2017 11: 16
      0
      Are you actually from Magadan ... or was it called for the sake of shocking?
  28. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 25 December 2017 11: 09
    +4
    Quote: Iaaa
    GDP this time made a tricky move. Went self-nominated. Well, it seems to be from our entire multinational people. Slightly pulled away from EdRosovtsev. Although everyone understands everything perfectly, but .... you won’t fault it.
    And the second, did I say that there are no liberals in EP? Yes, 99%, well, maybe a little less.

    This is such a "tricky move" that it is visible to everyone who wants to see it. Moreover, the "Edrosovtsy and Spravorossy" grabbed hold of Putin's grip, and no matter how Putin "showed" his "self-nomination," those lackeys who feed collecting crumbs from the lord's table will simply not allow him to do this.
  29. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 25 December 2017 11: 10
    +2
    It’s good that the completion for the authorities, for this completion is the population of Russia and not small.
  30. Silver fox_2
    Silver fox_2 25 December 2017 11: 12
    +1
    If Putin makes Pavel Grudinin the prime minister) And then the successor) I think he will be able to consolidate the country) What else is needed to meet old age! The future for China is obvious !!! liberals have outlived their time
  31. lidda47
    lidda47 25 December 2017 11: 15
    +1
    Poor Grudinin (I hope you didn’t distort the surname?) - he sat quietly on his collective farm, but no, Zyugu shook the yellow water in his head ... And the Internet ran through the pipes - we have it at 99,9 percent. Oh, the president appointed by the commentators! Ridiculous and ridiculous!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 25 December 2017 11: 36
      +8
      Sgin, radish.
  32. iouris
    iouris 25 December 2017 11: 17
    +1
    Do not make us funny. It doesn’t work like that.
  33. Antivirus2k
    Antivirus2k 25 December 2017 11: 20
    +9
    Grudinin is a very worthy candidate, I will vote for him with pleasure, even though I do not believe in his victory. For TV viewers, this person is new, propaganda will rub that it is "some kind of next communist." Well, plus the "honesty" of our elections has long been known, tighten up if that. Moreover, you won’t have to twist much, it’s clear that Putin has a lot of support. So, most likely, we are waiting for another 6 years of economic decline and degradation of industry. And Zyuganov’s respect for the wise decision not to go on his own.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 25 December 2017 11: 35
      +6
      If the people are powerful, though not enough to win, but vote in large numbers for Grudinin, then it will be easier for Putin to carry out reform in the country (or it will be difficult to get away from it, how can one look at the situation). But not to sit on the fifth point is even, but to show civic courage and wisdom. It’s time to get smarter.
  34. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 25 December 2017 11: 21
    0
    We remember the fate of these forever second. Zyuganov, Lebed, Tuleyev and others. When they reached the line, they successfully converted the votes of voters into personal dividends and dumped them in a warm place.
  35. NordUral
    NordUral 25 December 2017 11: 31
    +6
    It would be nice so. But in any case, with the nomination of Grudinin, as a single candidate (I hope) of all left-wing forces, the people had a chance to prove to themselves and the world that the Russians (in the broad sense) are not at all fools. It's time to wake up and free the country from the obsession of liberal leprosy.
  36. alexandrastafiev
    alexandrastafiev 25 December 2017 11: 45
    +4
    The good news is that Grudinin is going to the presidential election. Of course, most likely he will lose (there is someone to try on this).
    BUT...
    “It's impossible,” Reason said,
    “It's reckless,” said Experience.
    “It's useless,” snapped Pride,
    "Try ..." - whispered the Dream!
  37. E_V_N
    E_V_N 25 December 2017 11: 47
    +2
    Varyag_0711,
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Yavlinsky programs foul on "development" did not write, "Apple" did not sit in a thought?

    The program was called for 500 days, and the Duma had several places in the Duma, but the program was not accepted by the apple, but by Gaidar-Chubais. And although it led to complete collapse, they are not going to review it. For 18 years they have been trying to patch up the Trishkin Kaftan of the Russian economy, sewn by Gaidaro-Chubais.
  38. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 25 December 2017 11: 48
    0
    Grudinin is needed solely to increase interest in elections and turnout.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 26 December 2017 16: 57
      0
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Grudinin is needed solely to increase interest in elections and turnout.

      Perhaps so, the current government only counts on this positive moment for itself in this nomination, but, nevertheless, the people want and are waiting for changes, as in the time of Tsoi. And you can’t sit idly by. Now, just don’t hang noodles on our ears with empty promises; we need reinforcement by deeds. In the case of Grudinin, it exists; it is not just that it is promoted by a broad patriotic movement out of many worthy people.
  39. istepanov
    istepanov 25 December 2017 11: 49
    0
    Shining like a prime minister, Kalashnikov ...
    The fact that they gathered at the last bend to throw Putin is not even discussed. The smallest electoral commission fraud will be the most desirable for jude a chair the harbinger of the Maidan.
    The Israeli script is starting to take shape.

    With the nomination of Grudinin, the plans became clear and did not intend to give up a convoy national in composition and detrimental in content, a deep state, the inflamed and decaying core of Russian civilization, an ethnic anti-system, black realtors of Russia, or, more simply, Jews occupying the Kremlin, who are about to demonstrate their agonizing face hateful nature.
    Behind Grudinin, there is a terry glazyovschina - monetarist reform - a Latin American - Libermanian model, which has led into a swamp of stagnation, more than a dozen economies.
    Everything else is just for confusing traces.
    That is, Grudinin’s nomination, which is definitely not dog-like and not doomed to failure, as they want to present him, but strategically verified and carefully masked (like the mask of the Stolypin Club they had previously tried on) is the course of black realtors in Russia.
    1. istepanov
      istepanov 25 December 2017 11: 58
      0
      And it seems the ending of the text on the Supreme Governing Council is really one of the few ways to break the permacolonial web.
      1. Nonna
        Nonna 25 December 2017 12: 34
        +5
        Quote: Istepanov
        Terry glazyovschina is hidden behind Grudinin’s back - monetarist reform - Latin American - Liberman type


        It feels like you are raving. Usually, haloperidol helps in such cases. In general, to the doctor
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 25 December 2017 13: 16
      0
      I did not understand the main thing in all your opus: what is morality and what to do? request
  40. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 25 December 2017 11: 50
    +3
    According to the law of the change of power in the USSR - Russia, "bald - shaggy", the turn for Grudinin.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 25 December 2017 13: 17
      +1
      Do not wait. lol
  41. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 25 December 2017 12: 05
    +1
    [quote = Traveler] In theory, it is possible to conclude an agreement between the GDP and Grudinin on fair elections in exchange for the personal integrity of all those who are currently in power.
    Offer Grudinin to repeat the fate of General Lebed? I hope Grudinin is not so naive, and then, to guarantee his integrity, Putin will demand an "oath of blood." The same as he gave Yeltsin ...
  42. Svetlana
    Svetlana 25 December 2017 12: 10
    +7
    It’s clear that the rating is 84%, it’s clear that everything is in one fit, but here the matter is much deeper than just the results of the presidential race in numbers.

    In reality, no 84% exists. 30-40, possibly. Opinion poll? Where, when and from whom was it held? No one asked me personally, my acquaintances, friends, relatives and their acquaintances, friends, relatives at all. Does anyone know at least one person who was asked?
    1. Nonna
      Nonna 25 December 2017 12: 40
      +6
      Quote: Svetlana
      In reality, no 84% exists. 30-40, maybe


      84% are wet dreams of edrosses feeding near the body. Maybe he had such support after the Crimea, but in four years everything was successfully merged into the toilet, starting from the “Russian spring” until the Olympics
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 January 2018 18: 35
      0
      I participated several times.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 January 2018 18: 40
      +1
      It all depends on the circle of friends. Among the dozens of my relatives, friends and acquaintances, two-thirds are for Putin, the rest are for the Communists, but they are neutral or positive towards Putin. And only a few people hate him. And again, I am not making any conclusions from this. Moreover, I am a little versed in the basics of sociology.)) The sample is too small and unrepresentative both in your case and in my case.
  43. ont65
    ont65 25 December 2017 12: 18
    +1
    Stagnation leads to a crisis. - At a congress to delegate a person is never a friend? This is somewhere beyond the bounds. Over the years of inglorious attempts to ascend to Olympus, our motley political elite has rightly criticized Yeltsinism, hindering prominent figures from the party environment on the media level (and such people are likely to be found in any party), doomed its country to stagnation. And now, how would you mock this? - They do not nominate a minister to the government, but support the nomination of a presidential candidate (we know such a good person - it’s just good for the head of state!). Bullshit, or rather political prostitution.
  44. Vovan 73
    Vovan 73 25 December 2017 12: 19
    +7
    I’ll go to the polls. I won’t vote for Putin !!!
  45. Essex62
    Essex62 25 December 2017 12: 31
    +6
    Quote: your1970
    Quote: Prometey
    It remains only to clarify the restoration of the economy of whose country they worked. This one, where pensioners cannot be adequately buried for their retirement?
    -in 1985, May 9 (round date, 40 years !!!) in front of my eyes from an unheated barrack they buried a disabled WWII, artillery officer, cavalier of 3 degrees of Glory, KZ and a lot of military awards - the military enlistment office did a lot of pillows .... .
    After 2 weeks, the barracks - collapsed(thank God no one was there at that moment).

    Question what then oligarchs stood in power, the party stole, "sidekick" and other blah blah about a decent life ???

    whom then there was no care for a one-armed invalid ?? Who then spit on the old man - who saved the country and lived his whole life (40 years old !!!!) in the rotten hut of the WWI??

    And I remember my hut, from which I was relocated to a kopeck piece and completely free of charge with my mother and grandmother, the daughter of an enemy of the people, who did not work for a day where, however, donated blood and became an honorary donor of the Russian Federation throughout the war. And I remember the price tags for the main products, DECADES, not changing. I remember the pioneer camps and the free school, and then the techie. I remember that I had any boss, because I didn’t lick my ass and did not make a career. Crossed the road - required, required, required, for the same engineering 120 plus a premium. Yes, and no boss could fire me, the gut was thin. The leadership of the country considered a working man a hegemon and not a huckster.
    Agree very strikingly this differs with the current life. And they didn’t steal party bureaucrats, it was impossible to build a yacht or buy real estate in Nice. It makes sense to fold into the underground, because they will still find it so that there is someone, and they will lean against the wall.
    Socialism is the fairest system on Earth. All of it is a bit of a pie, not a bunch of freaks with psychology - you’ll be able to strangle your neighbor.
  46. Vadim237
    Vadim237 25 December 2017 12: 47
    +1
    I will vote for the “Tsar”, the rest will not inspire confidence, I would put Grudinin as the prime minister and it would be possible to judge the results of his activities in the government, and only then, to draw conclusions, is he capable of holding such a high post as presidential or not.
  47. istepanov
    istepanov 25 December 2017 12: 55
    +1
    How do commentators noticeably diligently circumvent the main message of the article - the Supreme Management Council proposed to create a lonely President instead of the notorious populous [sic!] Format? forced to buy a "location" of insane media of various groups.
  48. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 25 December 2017 12: 56
    +4
    your1970,
    In that case, what does that power and human modesty mean ?! My cousin also refused his apartment in favor of a large family.
    I repeat once again that there were about 2,5 thousand full cavaliers throughout the country, and for such a category of people the state was doing everything to the full! Apartments, treatment, sanatoriums, special rations, free cars and not a single lice would pocket what a veteran should!
    Although you can’t promise, it’s already beyond the bounds of good and evil.
  49. Woldemar
    Woldemar 25 December 2017 12: 58
    +6
    the author offers us to look at Grudinin as a sort of idiot controlled by Putin, and in Putin invites us to see a genius with brilliant plans
    the article started well, but ended with Putin's praise
    I’m personally for Grudinin, I’m tired of listening to endless promises from GDP and waiting for him to take up domestic politics and tame thieves, but we have not the 37th year, as he said, so we should not wait
  50. istepanov
    istepanov 25 December 2017 13: 29
    0
    In the 21st century, when there are first-hand closed structures that are superior in terms of aggregate, primarily intellectual power, many states remain in the format of a single presidential post packed together with goal-setting (not fake, without permanent feeding, considered partisanship as a team of intellectuals) and lack of effective mechanisms to neutralize interference generating effects .....
    the Supreme Governing Council proposed by the author looks logically flawless on a platform of ideologues adapted to our continental nature similarity - which allows breaking the noose of permacolonial low-frequency genocide of the peoples of the Russian World.