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The world's largest amphibian performed its first flight

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The world's largest Chinese amphibian AG600, designed to extinguish fires, today successfully completed the first test flight, reports RIA News CCTV message.




“The plane took off from the airport of Zhuhai city of southern Guangdong province in 09.38 local time (04.38 Moscow time). The aircraft spent minutes in the air 64, the maximum flight height was 3 thousands of meters, ”- said in a statement.

The aircraft accompanied the aircraft with a team of technical staff on board.

Aircraft manufacturers completed the assembly AG600 in July last year, the aircraft was built in the city of Zhuhai.



It is reported that the aircraft is the largest among samples of such technology, not only in China but also in the world. It is designed to extinguish fires and conduct rescue operations on the water. In addition, "AG600 can be equipped with additional equipment for monitoring the marine environment, passenger and freight traffic, as well as mineral exploration."

The publication reminds that AG600 is equipped with four turboprop engines, the aircraft is capable of collecting onboard 12 tons of water in 20 seconds. Its maximum take-off weight is 53,5 tons, the hull length is 39,3 meters, its wingspan is 38,8 meters, the maximum range is 4,5 thousand kilometers.
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  1. Karakut
    Karakut 24 December 2017 08: 39
    +9
    Glad for the Chinese ..! Well done .. Ours clearly helped them.
    1. arane
      arane 24 December 2017 08: 47
      +6
      Quote: Karakut
      Glad for the Chinese ..! Well done .. Ours clearly helped them.

      The aircraft spent 64 minutes in the air, the maximum flight altitude was 3 thousands of kilometers, ”the report said.

      Definitely. This is the result! Yes on the screws! Typo, but cool!
      Or just blunted? what
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 24 December 2017 08: 52
      +4
      Quote: Karakut
      .Our clearly helped them.

      Ours did not help!
      Quote: Karakut
      The aircraft spent 64 minutes in the air, the maximum flight altitude was 3 thousand kilometers "

      TNKT named after Beriev does not have such technologies, especially in terms of flight altitude! Our somehow completely forgot, abandoned A-40 "Albatross". Sadly, but .....
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 24 December 2017 08: 55
        21
        Be-200 will be more beautiful, and the same 12 tons of water are gaining.
      2. Spez
        Spez 24 December 2017 09: 19
        +3
        But the Be-200 is not the A-40?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 24 December 2017 09: 53
          +4
          Quote: Spez
          But the Be-200 is not the A-40?

          A-40 in take-off weight and carrying capacity is two times more than the Be-200.
          1. Spez
            Spez 24 December 2017 09: 59
            +1
            Yeah thanks. already looked.
      3. iaroslav.mudryi
        iaroslav.mudryi 24 December 2017 14: 25
        +4
        Quote: Tol100v
        TNKT named after Beriev does not have such technologies, especially in terms of flight altitude! Our somehow completely forgot, abandoned A-40 "Albatross". Sadly, but .....

        Not forgotten, neglected, and it is gratifying:
        Maritime aviation will receive A-2020 seaplanes by 40
        By 2020, Be-12 anti-submarine amphibious aircraft will be replaced by A-40 hydroplanes. This was stated by the chief of naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet, Colonel Gennady Zagonov, RIA Novosti reported.
        Earlier, in July of 2015, a senior source in the Navy leadership claimed that the military would order an anti-submarine aircraft based on the Be-200 amphibian, which, in turn, was created in the 1990 years using the backlog of A-40 aircraft.
        Anti-submarine amphibious aircraft A-40 (Be-42) "Albatross" was developed at the beginning of the 1980-s in the USSR to replace the Be-12. For the first time the car took off in the 1986 year, in the 1990 it was put into service, but it never got into mass production (only two copies were produced). In 1998, the Be-200 civilian aircraft appeared (in fire and search and rescue versions), created on the basis of the A-40.
        The machine with a take-off mass of about 90 tons was equipped with two D-30KVP turbojet engines (a variant of engines from the Il-76 aircraft). The aircraft developed a top speed of 760 kilometers per hour and carried up to 6,5 tons of payload. The airborne armament could include three AT-3 Orlan anti-submarine torpedoes, four APR-2 Hawk anti-submarine missiles or six Eagle-3 APR, as well as mines, depth charges and sonar buoys.
        Source: https://lenta.ru/news/2016/03/03/albatros/
    3. svp67
      svp67 24 December 2017 09: 33
      0
      Quote: Karakut
      Ours clearly helped them

      And his wing doesn’t remind you of the An-12?
      1. Karakut
        Karakut 24 December 2017 09: 55
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Karakut
        Ours clearly helped them

        And his wing doesn’t remind you of the An-12?

        And I'm talking about this and powerful engines from the same series as well .. Why reinvent the wheel.?
        1. svp67
          svp67 24 December 2017 09: 56
          +3
          Quote: Karakut
          Why reinvent the wheel.?

          And the Chinese beautifully use what they have ... Well done.
          1. Spez
            Spez 24 December 2017 10: 09
            +3
            Moreover, it has long been tested and recognized as suitable.
          2. Lexus
            Lexus 24 December 2017 13: 29
            +3
            They are all busy with business, each with his own, but together they do one thing in common. And with us - demagogy. Governors comment on the adoption of fighters, and plant directors on roads and social programs. And then they are amicably looking for the “switchman” when the terms are shifted to the right.
          3. Grits
            Grits 25 December 2017 06: 15
            +1
            Aircraft builders will tell you that in order to increase the lifting force of the wing, it is desirable that the air flow is forced under the wing in its front part. Or vice versa, it was sucked from above from its back. That's exactly what was done on the Be-200. And the Chinese have screws stupidly standing in the middle of the wing. Therefore, the Be-200 will be more effective in terms of lift
            1. Cook
              Cook 25 December 2017 09: 49
              0
              Here you are wrong, the larger the area of ​​the wing blown by the screws, the section of the wing, the greater the lift. The fact is that the speed of the air flow from the propellers is higher than the speed of flight. And the lifting force of the wing, as you know, depends on the speed head. By the way, on the An-12, with a similar engine installation scheme, the wing area is blown by screws 80%. And on the Be-200, this arrangement of engines is more likely due to the need to protect their input devices from the ingress of large amounts of water during planing. The area with which the engine will suck out the air flow is painfully small.
        2. dauria
          dauria 24 December 2017 12: 31
          0
          Why reinvent the wheel.?


          Well, the auxiliary floats are not removed, it seems. And on the “Catalina” of World War II they took shape along the sweep, becoming the endings. Why didn’t they repeat the good decision?
          1. svp67
            svp67 24 December 2017 13: 45
            0
            Quote: dauria
            Why didn’t they repeat the good decision?

            It’s more reliable - it won’t break.
            1. dauria
              dauria 24 December 2017 14: 07
              +1
              It’s more reliable - it won’t break.


              That's the plane. Everything is on the verge of "breaking" with a margin
              only one and a half. But licking for the sake of range gliders, engines, and then giving it all to the resistance of some trifles is a pity.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 24 December 2017 14: 21
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Karakut
        Ours clearly helped them

        And his wing doesn’t remind you of the An-12?

        This aircraft, in fact, reminds me of an An-12 hybrid with a torpedo boat. But it flies. Once, during my service in the Air Force of the SF, we and the Be-12 called "aerodynamic disgrace", but, for its time, it was a good car.
        1. svp67
          svp67 24 December 2017 18: 57
          0
          Quote: Piramidon
          we and the Be-12 called "aerodynamic disgrace", but, for its time, it was a good car.

          "Pterazavr" is a terrible machine. But really flew, and even HOW
    4. avt
      avt 24 December 2017 11: 16
      +5
      Quote: Karakut
      ..Our obviously helped them.

      fool Brains do not have enough to work with a search engine ?? Only claudia mastered and rather scribble on the counter for rating?
      1. Karakut
        Karakut 24 December 2017 11: 46
        +2
        Quote: avt
        Brains do not have enough to work with a search engine ??

        On wiki ..? Or google? he he
        Quote: avt
        Only claudia mastered and rather scribble on the counter for rating?

        Well, the rating is not interesting to me for a long time, unlike you .. hehe
        Write essentially a blue shark .. (you can complain ..)))
        1. avt
          avt 24 December 2017 11: 51
          +4
          Quote: Karakut
          Write essentially

          In fact, it is necessary to start that from school, but Az was not hired to teach the sinful mitrofanushek.

          Quote: Karakut
          On wiki ..? Or google?

          Well, if the site’s search engine could not be mastered, judging by the brackets of the type depicting laughter, and equating Wikipedia with the search engine, medicine is powerless here, not that Az is sinful. request
          1. Karakut
            Karakut 24 December 2017 12: 44
            0
            Quote: avt
            Quote: Karakut
            Write essentially

            In fact, it is necessary to start that from school, but Az was not hired to teach the sinful mitrofanushek.

            Quote: Karakut
            On wiki ..? Or google?

            Well, if the site’s search engine could not be mastered, judging by the brackets of the type depicting laughter, and equating Wikipedia with the search engine, medicine is powerless here, not that Az is sinful. request

            Well done..! They live so long ... They climbed out before the elections! Now whining will begin on the site
            1. avt
              avt 24 December 2017 13: 13
              +2
              Quote: Karakut
              .. We climbed out before the election! Now whining will begin on the site

              bully Oh to me these quackery bully Well, here - ,, I don’t want to study, but I want to get married "But really - why? I mastered the buttons and clicks, and the rest, how does the google differ from Wikipedia ..... bully Come on, burn on. But with short chants
              1. Karakut
                Karakut 24 December 2017 13: 31
                0
                Quote: avt
                Quote: Karakut
                .. We climbed out before the election! Now whining will begin on the site

                bully Oh to me these quackery bully Well, here - ,, I don’t want to study, but I want to get married "But really - why? I mastered the buttons and clicks, and the rest, how does the google differ from Wikipedia ..... bully Come on, burn on. But with short chants

                The blue shark, you suddenly activated ..? I remember you and people like you, who lay at the bottom .. hehe
  2. loginovich
    loginovich 24 December 2017 08: 48
    +1
    Quote: Karakut
    Glad for the Chinese ..! Well done .. Ours clearly helped them.

    Polite people?
    1. Karakut
      Karakut 24 December 2017 09: 56
      0
      Quote: loginovich
      Quote: Karakut
      Glad for the Chinese ..! Well done .. Ours clearly helped them.

      Polite people?

      laughing Not yet, just experts from Russia!
      1. avt
        avt 24 December 2017 11: 29
        +1
        Quote: Karakut
        Not yet, just experts from Russia!

        Great, great Lavrov with his - ,, DB. "When did Japan become a federal part of Russia? Name it.
        1. Karakut
          Karakut 24 December 2017 13: 36
          0
          Quote: avt
          Quote: Karakut
          Not yet, just experts from Russia!

          Great, great Lavrov with his - ,, DB. "When did Japan become a federal part of Russia? Name it.

          Rest for now .. shark!
          We will deal with such then .. A lot of you pop up from 2012
          1. avt
            avt 24 December 2017 13: 50
            +2
            Quote: Karakut
            We will deal with such then .. A lot of you pop up from 2012

            bully Hare in the hop! bully Grow first, sorting out. "
  3. APASUS
    APASUS 24 December 2017 08: 55
    +8
    Coming to the end of the Be-200 era, China will now supply the whole world with unique aircraft for extinguishing fires. This was worth the wait. Next is the production of ekranoplanes
    1. jolly deckhand
      jolly deckhand 24 December 2017 08: 58
      +3
      Well what are you, sir ... Our local experts put a fat cross on the ekranoplans laughing laughing laughing
    2. faridg7
      faridg7 24 December 2017 09: 12
      +6
      Quote: APASUS
      Coming to the end of the Be-200 era, China will now supply the whole world with unique aircraft for extinguishing fires. This was worth the wait. Next is the production of ekranoplanes

      Well, I probably wouldn’t abruptly put a cross on the Beria machine. Of course, I am not a specialist, but I have the impression that the Chinese machine is rather weak in terms of seaworthiness, in the sense that for normal take-off and landing, you will need calm sea-low propellers above the surface.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 24 December 2017 09: 16
      +9
      There is no Be-200 era in extinguishing fires. Sadness. But now there is an era of CL-215 / 415 + conversion Herkuls and other conventional aircraft. Why? Because they are cheap. It burns far from every year, it is very expensive and impractical to maintain aircraft for this. Especially amphibians. Especially reactive.

      Therefore, Bombardier was able to sell 200 + of her kids (4 and 6 tons of water). But Be-200 still flies for the gingerbread cookies for especially large fires, but there are no particular contracts.
      1. faiver
        faiver 24 December 2017 09: 45
        +6
        but there are no particular contracts
        - so those that are at the time are not fulfilled ...
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 25 December 2017 07: 31
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        keeping planes for it is very expensive and impractical. Especially amphibians. Especially reactive.

        In a country where 1200000 km of rivers and roads are not everywhere with asphalt, where there is a normal route to Vladik, an airplane that can be perfectly converted can be used for rescue operations, ambulances, and just sits on a strip.
        I recall Shoigu proposed creating a Euro squadron to help the EU in extinguishing fires, and then it turned out that the Ministry of Emergencies has only 2 BE-200s and this is from Vladivostok to Kaliningrad.
        The problem of the Be-200 is not in the absence of orders, but in its production.
    4. avt
      avt 24 December 2017 11: 32
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      China will supply the whole world with unique fire fighting aircraft.

      What is the uniqueness of the design developed already since 1952 and taken up in the air in 1968 ????
    5. Net
      Net 25 December 2017 05: 27
      0
      Produce. They built a large ekranoplan for the Navy. Apparently, the Yankees are going to drive.
  4. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 24 December 2017 08: 59
    +5
    Well done Chinese quickly create, quickly copy, quickly build. We should learn from them.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 24 December 2017 20: 32
      +4
      Quote: Alexander 3
      Well done Chinese quickly create, quickly copy, quickly build. We should learn from them.


      The AG600 has four WJ6 turboprop engines with a take-off power of 5100 hp each. (copy of the Soviet AI-20 engine, manufactured by China National South Aviation Industry Company (CNSAIC) in Zhuzhou, Hunan) with six-bladed propellers.
      For the construction of pilot and production aircraft, the AG600 CAIGA and AVIC carried out a complete reconstruction of the ZYAC plant in Zhuhai. Nevertheless, this plant is still essentially an assembly platform for amphibians. For prototype 001, the center section, middle and front of the fuselage and wing were manufactured by AVIC Xi'an Aircraft Industry (Group) Company in Xi'an, the tail of the fuselage and tail were manufactured by AVIC Hanzhong Aviation Industry Group Company in Hanzhong, and the nacelles were made by the Chinese company Flying North This cooperation will continue in the future. In total, about 600 institutes and research centers and 150 enterprises of the PRC industry are involved in the development and production of AG70.

      http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/inostrannye_razrabot
      ki / kitayskiy_samolet_amfibiya_ag600_v_chzhukhae /
  5. svp67
    svp67 24 December 2017 09: 02
    +6
    The publication reminds that AG600 is equipped with four turboprop engines, the aircraft is capable of collecting onboard 12 tons of water in 20 seconds. Its maximum take-off weight is 53,5 tons, the hull length is 39,3 meters, its wingspan is 38,8 meters, the maximum range is 4,5 thousand kilometers.
    And is this the BIGGEST seaplane?
    Yes it's a "baby" compared to Hughes H-4 Hercules
    Crew: 3 person
    Length: 66,45 m
    Wingspan: 97,54 m
    Height: 24,08 m
    Fuselage height: 9,1 m
    Wing area: 1061,88 m²
    Maximum take-off weight: 180 tons
    Payload weight: up to 59 kg
    Fuel capacity: 52 996 L
    Engines: 8 × air cooled Pratt & Whitney R-4360-4A, 3000 hp each from. (2240 ​​kW) each
    Propellers: 8 × four-blade Hamilton Standard, diameter 5,23


    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 24 December 2017 09: 10
      +4
      ... and this Hughes H-4 Hercules does he take water aboard by "self-capture"? ... after all, our Be takes from the surface of reservoirs, this is the trick ...
    2. PN
      PN 24 December 2017 09: 11
      +1
      The largest of the present, but not in history ...
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 24 December 2017 09: 17
      +1
      It's about what flies now. Howard's boat does not fly.
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 24 December 2017 14: 58
        +1
        She did not fly. The last photo shows the maximum achievable height. Mozhaisky plane flew higher.
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 24 December 2017 11: 10
      0
      What year pictures?
    5. Dalailama
      Dalailama 24 December 2017 14: 22
      0
      This is not a plane, he could not leave the screen.
      1. svp67
        svp67 24 December 2017 20: 45
        +1
        Quote: DalaiLama
        This is not a plane, he could not leave the screen.

        Okay, but these ..
        Dornier do x

        Blohm & Voss BV 238

        Kawanishi H8K

        Martin mars

        Be-10
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 24 December 2017 21: 00
          0
          Are they exclusive to national pride?
          Does anyone in a heated hangar cost 70 years?
          1. svp67
            svp67 24 December 2017 21: 08
            +1
            Quote: DalaiLama
            Does anyone in a heated hangar cost 70 years?

            A couple of Martin Mars before the beginning of 2000 flew quite a while and extinguished fires, even later ...
            Here are the videos of 2014 and 2015


            You understand that "mausoleums" are not built for everyone
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 24 December 2017 21: 47
              0
              You again are not talking about H-4.
              Why did you have to put it there? It would be better to restore the Hindenburg.
    6. Dalailama
      Dalailama 24 December 2017 14: 37
      0
      He would not be a good clean ekranoplan.
  6. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 24 December 2017 09: 05
    +3
    EMNIP, the largest flying boat was the Howard Hughes giant H-4 Hercules what
    Just at the moment, the Chinese is the largest, which is a dwarf in comparison with the above ... winked
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 24 December 2017 14: 49
      0
      Gliders also sometimes fly better than the H-4, but they don’t welcome it and then there is little left to put in the museum.
  7. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
    Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 24 December 2017 09: 15
    +5
    Chinese Air Force News: Amphibious Aircraft in Space!

    "“ The plane took off from the Zhuhai city airport in southern Guangdong at 09.38 local time (04.38 Moscow time). The aircraft spent 64 minutes in the air, the maximum flight altitude was 3 thousand kilometers, ”the report said.

    Victims of the exam, damn him!
    1. svp67
      svp67 24 December 2017 09: 19
      +1
      Quote: Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
      Victims of the exam, damn him

      "Coekakers" were always, even at the time of the "great and mighty ..."
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 24 December 2017 14: 24
        +1
        Koeckaker most in the USA. Even in the face of Hughes. There were no Stalin purges.
        1. svp67
          svp67 25 December 2017 08: 23
          0
          Quote: DalaiLama
          There were no Stalin purges.

          But there was its own - the "great depression"
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 25 December 2017 11: 15
            0
            This is a phenomenon of the opposite nature.
    2. zivXP
      zivXP 24 December 2017 10: 24
      0
      In the news on TV they said about the flight range, that's for sure, but I don’t remember the number.
  8. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 24 December 2017 09: 41
    +1
    Quote: faridg7
    ... I have the impression that the Chinese machine is weak in terms of seaworthiness, in the sense that for normal take-off and landing, you will need calm sea-low propellers above the surface.


    But China can collect them in such quantities and at a price that the BE-200 probably never dreamed of. And there have been so many fires lately that the Chinese amphibians are like a green light.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 24 December 2017 10: 03
      +2
      Do not exaggerate their capabilities. Already, it was not very cheap in China. Salaries are growing fast. In Russia, much has become cheaper to do wassat
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 24 December 2017 10: 53
        +2
        We still have an advantage in technology.
        As soon as the Chinese pull up a science school - that's it!
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 24 December 2017 14: 25
          0
          Will they really learn how to sew clothes properly?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 14: 27
            +9
            Quote: DalaiLama
            Will they really learn how to sew clothes properly?

            They always knew how and can do it now.
            It’s just that "Chinese" that you are probably used to seeing is ... not even a "second freshness."
            But the engines for the fighters, they never really learned how to do it. And soon will learn request
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 24 December 2017 14: 33
              0
              If you don’t climb out of the Forbidden City, where everything is covered in silk, then I willingly believe it.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 14: 40
                +8
                Quote: DalaiLama
                If from the Forbidden City where everything in silks do not climb out

                I don’t get out ... because I’ve never climbed there laughing
                A couple of, ahem, arguments:
                My father had a cloak, Chinese, when I was still petty. the coat was worn for a very long time and was an order of magnitude higher quality than similar products made in the USSR.
                I know an office that sells, including sportswear (for snowboarding, for example). So, their main producer is China. Moreover, the quality ... very, say, decent.
                But the prices are completely horse belay
                Something like that.
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 24 December 2017 14: 54
                  0
                  Doesn't the office have an office in Hong Kong?
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 15: 29
                    +8
                    Quote: DalaiLama
                    Doesn't the office have an office in Hong Kong?

                    In Moscow, as I understand it.
                    1. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 24 December 2017 16: 25
                      0
                      At the Chinese supplier.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 24 December 2017 20: 02
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          As soon as the Chinese pull up a science school - that's it!

          So they don’t pull it up.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 25 December 2017 07: 10
            +1
            Come on!
            Yes, there is no fundamental there so far, but the application blooms and smells!
            As soon as they begin to develop the fundamental, they will not catch up, lagging behind the generation, but go about keeping up.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 December 2017 10: 01
    +2
    Well, whatever you say, something “clumsy” is on this plane. Well, take-off weight is big, but it takes as much water as Berievsky. And the look ...
  10. zivXP
    zivXP 24 December 2017 10: 22
    0
    Have the Chinese era of gigantomania begun?
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 24 December 2017 14: 26
      0
      They began with them many thousands of years ago. Not all are over yet. But if you start to bake boats like pies.
  11. Azazelo
    Azazelo 24 December 2017 10: 27
    +2
    Altitude 3000 km .... famously. And the whole world does not know how to make a shuttle rated, and the Chinese can display satellites on amphibians.
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 24 December 2017 14: 30
      0
      This is a secret Chinese project to develop hydrocarbon deposits on Titan while American pepper shakers travel around Mars in search of Helium-3.
  12. Azazelo
    Azazelo 24 December 2017 10: 31
    0
    Well done and done ... what srach to breed? Let's see how it shows itself.
  13. NordUral
    NordUral 24 December 2017 11: 05
    0
    An example of how the Communist Party controls capitalism. An example of the symbiosis of a planned and market economy. It is time for Russia to come to its senses. And I’m ashamed of the country, reading about the successes of our neighbors to the joyful cries of Urya-Patriots about our achievements in the future.

    And for the moderators of VO - edit the articles at least as little as possible so that there are no blunders like 3000 km in the articles?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2017 12: 01
      +2
      Yes, it’s really time to do in China - to abolish pensions in general and make the country a capital industrial printer, let them plow until their death.
      1. Mimoprohodil
        Mimoprohodil 24 December 2017 16: 09
        0
        There are pensions in China. For those who work in industry
      2. pafegosoff
        pafegosoff 24 December 2017 16: 46
        +2
        China now has exactly the same pension system as it does in Russia. This is 60-30 years ago in China, employees of state institutions, state enterprises and military personnel received pensions. But we, racing with Ukraine, are running towards China half a century ago ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2017 17: 49
          0
          And 300 million beggars - a third of the population, a truly developed country.
          1. pafegosoff
            pafegosoff 25 December 2017 06: 19
            0
            We have 50%, so what? Shovels in hand and to the site! Help parents, grandparents, although I also have to help my grandchildren and a 97-year-old parent.
            And then! We have unofficial unemployment five times more than official. And pensions - 14,5 - the average maximum, 8,5 - the minimum. A budget weather observer gets 11-12 thousand, without which sudden hurricanes are a common thing (hundreds of weather stations are cut around Moscow, and then the vovchik clown blames the weather bureau for everything. Schwonder found himself. He needs to knock on the back of his head, as Prof. Preobrazhensky said.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 25 December 2017 10: 59
              0
              We have beggars only 14%.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 25 December 2017 11: 11
              0
              Not official unemployment - yes, these are those who do not work officially and do not pay any taxes, but to raise pensions for all 40 million pensioners at least up to 30000 a month, you must have an additional budget of 14,5 trillion rubles for this - this raises the question of where and at the expense of what to take such money because - some taxes are not paid, others work in the gray and lower their incomes, still others steal - this is total across Russia. Of course, in such a situation, those who hapanul or created and developed their business will live with dignity.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 December 2017 11: 00
          0
          For you - in China now only 2% of the population receive pensions.
  14. Mentat
    Mentat 24 December 2017 13: 48
    +4
    Quote: APASUS
    Coming to the end of the Be-200 era, China will now supply the whole world with unique aircraft for extinguishing fires. This was worth the wait. Next is the production of ekranoplanes

    Himself not sick of the tasteless, absurd and ignorant slogan in an attempt to capitalize on the pros with an extended clave?
  15. Nikolay R-PM
    Nikolay R-PM 24 December 2017 15: 15
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    In my humble opinion, the generic features of the Y-8 are visible in the car: recognizable forkil, straight wing. Here are just a fuselage as if half-enlarged and instead of the power floor made redan. In general, it is often heard that the Y-8 is a licensed copy of the an-12, but in my opinion this is not so. For example, the Chinese on extreme modifications have a full cargo ramp, while our an-12 (at least those that flew into our unit) two narrow ramps that are installed manually. Although, probably, it is not quite correct to compare the older An-12s and the Y-8 family - nevertheless, the Chinese path of development of this aircraft passed at a later time and could take into account the trends and experience in operating the base model. In general, in the hands of the Chinese, the An-12 turned into a completely different machine.
    I do not share concerns about the "avalanche of Chinese amphibians." The most widespread Chinese aircraft received in countries with a limited military budget, under political pressure (sanctions, UN embargo, etc.) or not directly affiliated with large military blocs. If they are allowed to enter the civilian market in Europe, then only to certain countries with the permission of local EASA branches. The American market is generally closed to them. Only the military and civilian markets of South America and Africa remain. Separate deliveries to the Russian Federation are not ruled out (our aviation authorities have a particular weakness for foreign technology).
    However, it is unlikely that these will be mass postaki — something specific.
    1. avt
      avt 24 December 2017 15: 57
      +2
      Quote: Nikolay R-PM
      In my humble opinion, the generic features of the Y-8 are visible in the car: recognizable forkil, straight wing. Here are just a fuselage as if half-enlarged and instead of the power floor made redan.

      wassatNot . Well, it’s really direct some kind of viral brain disease transmitted by the Internet droplet path! There is a real epidemic on the branch with a mania of attempts to academically analyze Well, for those especially gifted, although I have repeatedly asserted myself in the adherence to folk wisdom - “To teach fools to only spoil”, not to fumble the vulnerable brain of know-it-alls who do not seem to want to find anything from the principle of a search engine. artistic whistle in a minor with a flat! Then bring the rest to the masses about
      Quote: Nikolay R-PM
      nevertheless, the Chinese path of development of this aircraft took place at a later time and could take into account the trends and experience in operating the base model. In general, in the hands of the Chinese, the An-12 turned into a completely different machine.
      1. Nikolay R-PM
        Nikolay R-PM 24 December 2017 19: 23
        +1
        Thanks for the criticism)
        1. avt
          avt 24 December 2017 23: 09
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          [quote = Nikolay R-PM] Thank you for your criticism) [/ quote]
          Yes, not really deigned to work as a search engine? Progress, however, is not an example [quote = Karakut]: Yes, in fact today, NOBODY even moved on a Japanese theme. bully
  16. tinibar
    tinibar 24 December 2017 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: Thrall
    Be-200 will be more beautiful, and the same 12 tons of water are gaining.

    By the way, the A-40 Albatross will be bigger than the Chinese ... Forgot? Something fast ....
  17. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 24 December 2017 16: 42
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    Engines, probably modernized old men AI-20.
    When diving, the distance of the blades to the water is something 1-1,5 meters. and ka when excited such a giant? The same Be-12 has a “seagull” wing and AI-20 engines on top of the wing and two engines. Let's see how this giant will be tested on water. And how will it surpass the A-40 (Be-42) in practice with a maximum take-off weight of 90 tons?
    The biggest one, say? Well, yes, if the length of the aircraft is the main, and not the maximum take-off weight, then the designer is a great specialist in kites.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2017 17: 51
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      I propose to return to the creation of a super-heavy seaplane ekranoplan Be 2500 the price of the issue is 500 billion rubles, for ten years, the very real task of creating it. The lion's share of the cost - R&D will take the creation of engines with a thrust of 120000 kg of forces.
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 24 December 2017 21: 52
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        Where did such a big price come from? But you can not take smaller engines in larger numbers?
        All R&D on it were ready 100500 years ago.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 December 2017 11: 18
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          “All R&D was ready for it” - Yes, conceptual design was ready, but there was essentially no design, and such a price appeared when calculating R&D, creating new production facilities, as well as an engine for the creation and production of which it will take 280 billion rubles - NK 114 engine.
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 25 December 2017 11: 44
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            Such a price and such arguments were taken to prevent the project from taking place.
            Why can not you use the old areas?
            The one who designed it simply did not have sketches.
            Quote: DalaiLama
            But you can not take smaller engines in larger numbers?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 26 December 2017 00: 20
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              Why can not you use the old areas? - Because the dimensions of this aircraft are 115 meters long and the wingspan is 125 meters, and from full load it will weigh 2500 tons. Fewer engines complicate maintenance.
              1. Dalailama
                Dalailama 26 December 2017 01: 34
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                This is for final assembly.
                Does not lead. In this case, it leads to greater reliability, and the ability to get the result (quickly). But do you really need it?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 28 December 2017 21: 57
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                  I apologize - a larger number of engines leads to more complicated design and maintenance.
                  1. Dalailama
                    Dalailama 29 December 2017 00: 05
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                    On flying boats, on the contrary, it simplifies and lowers the requirements for its quality. On Do-X for example.
      2. pafegosoff
        pafegosoff 25 December 2017 06: 21
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        120 thousand? This is only with new approaches, such as pulsating ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 December 2017 11: 22
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          No, it’s like this double-loop screw - a fan GE9x with a thrust of 47000 kg of forces only enlarged 2,5 times
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 December 2017 11: 23
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            For the new Boeing 777