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Zhirinovsky is participating, Zyuganov is not ...

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It became known that, unlike the LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov will not run for office in the 2018 year. Instead, Zyuganov, reportedly, will head the Supreme Council of People’s Patriotic Forces, which will also be the election headquarters of Pavel Grudinin, director of the prosperous Lenin State Farm near Moscow.


Zhirinovsky is participating, Zyuganov is not ...


Speaking before the beginning of the party congress of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Zyuganov said that the party’s Central Committee had unanimously supported the nomination of Pavel Grudinin. At the same time, Grudinin himself accepted the offer to participate in the presidential elections in 2018 as a candidate supported by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. According to the latest data, Grudinin himself is not a member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.

Gennady Zyuganov notes that Grudinin, together with representatives of the Council of People's Patriotic Forces, will soon present his program.

Official Communist Party website:
Grudinin is a nominated candidate from the broad patriotic forces of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and he is going to the polls with the program of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation "10 steps worthy life."


The secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Leonid Kalashnikov, who has become a “screen star”, reports:
Zyuganov believes that he should head the Council, which will unite the left-patriotic forces within it. The Council will include 20 people from the Communist Party, the most authoritative. They will support Grudinina and not let him "get lost" somewhere.


For reference: Pavel Grudinin is the Deputy Chairman of the Committee of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation on the development of the agro-industrial complex.
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  1. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 10: 46 New
    23
    Eh, I feel sorry for Grudinin, a clever guy, at least he says competent things. But in the context of the Communist Party, they simply use it. As the saying goes: you can’t put out a protest-head it! Zyuganov realized that his chances are very low.
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 23 December 2017 10: 48 New
      10
      Zyuganov wants to become a gray cardinal in case of victory of Grudinin. "Guiding and guiding force." The CPSU is not forgotten.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 10: 51 New
        17
        This is yes. The modern Communist Party took everything bad from the CPSU of the Brezhnev era.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 23 December 2017 11: 31 New
          88
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          This is yes. The modern Communist Party took everything bad from the CPSU of the Brezhnev era.

          Well? What exactly did the Communist Party take from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union? In my opinion, "United Russia" is a remake of the CPSU in its worst form - a one-party system of power, at least vertically, at least horizontally. Someone who is not "slammed" on corruption, or on a trivial bribe, starting from the head of the wounded district municipality to the Minister of Economic Development of Russia, is the representative of Edra. They don’t even blame their failures on anyone - wherever they spit one Edro. Have you ever looked into the Communist Party program with at least one eye?
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 11: 34 New
            14
            I am not an adherent of EP, so you will not hear words from me in defense wink I do not care about the Communist Party program-a set of unfulfilled wishes, I look at her affairs at the present stage.
            1. Rostislav
              Rostislav 23 December 2017 11: 42 New
              21
              Things are going just fine. Take an interest in the successes of the national enterprises that they create - they work successfully.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 11: 45 New
                +7
                Dear Rostislav, please provide links. I am pleased to read, maybe I will change my mind.
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 23 December 2017 14: 31 New
                +4
                Quote: Rostislav
                Things are going just fine. Take an interest in the successes of the national enterprises that they create - they work successfully.

                In addition to the state farm near Moscow there is nothing more ....
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 23 December 2017 11: 52 New
              30
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              then yes, the Modern Communist Party took everything bad from the CPSU of the Brezhnev era.

              Quote: andrej-shironov
              This is yes. The modern Communist Party took everything bad from the CPSU of the Brezhnev era.

              Grudinin put forward a broad coalition of People's Patriotic Forces !!!
              Communist Party is just part of the coalition.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 15: 41 New
                +4
                Dear Stroporez. Who else is in this coalition?
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 23 December 2017 16: 05 New
                  18
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Dear Stroporez. Who else is in this coalition?

                  All the "left" organizations that are not members of the Communist Party, human rights activists, the Union of Officers of the USSR, Navy Veterans, the Union of Orthodox, centrists, nationalists, monarchists, Delo Party, Strelkov, Kvachkov, Barabash organizations, Airborne Veterans, etc.
                  Type in the search for the PDS of the NDSR-Government of the People's Trust -total 45 regions. (You can watch the video)
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  What, you can already "Urya"?

                  To leave! soldier It's too early, but We will try good
                  1. Oden280
                    Oden280 23 December 2017 18: 18 New
                    +4
                    With the participation of human rights defenders (almost all Western grant-eaters) and Natsiks in this "government", one must score an aspen stake.
                  2. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 21: 26 New
                    +1
                    Sling, convinced, take a look. Are there any ready-made links in nete?
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 23 December 2017 23: 36 New
                      +7
                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      Are there any ready-made links in nete?

                      I’m posting the video on purpose.


                      And here is a link to the congress
                      https://youtu.be/9-eTLBQ4UZk

                      https://youtu.be/K9rtqUvjSdU
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 24 December 2017 14: 47 New
                        +3
                        Sling cutter thanks!
              2. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 15: 42 New
                11
                Quote: Stroporez
                Grudinin put forward a broad coalition of People's Patriotic Forces !!!
                Communist Party-only a part of the coalition

                What, you can already "Urya"? repeat
                1. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 24 December 2017 01: 28 New
                  +4
                  Such a highly paid labor force of the Russian oligarchy as you, it is better to shout "atas". Or did you decide to escape from the hosts?
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 01: 41 New
                    +9
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    Such a highly paid labor force of the Russian oligarchy as you

                    Correction: I have nothing to do with the "oligarchy of the Russian Federation ..." from the word in general. The rest is true.
                    My immediate boss "costs" 2.5 times more than me. At the same time at work appears at 10, leaves no earlier than 21, and buzzes all day, like an electric broom.
                    And at night, even from a distance, some things are controlled. I know because I myself am involved in this periodically.
                    IT department, nothing really "military" ... it would seem.
                    About the director (he is also one of the owners) of the office - I don’t understand at all, does he ever sleep, or he has colostrum ... chronic, damn it.
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    ... better shout "atas" ...

                    What for? Verified - I survive in almost any environment. Two years was without work, for example. Now I’ve found ... to taste and strength.
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    Or did you decide to escape from the hosts?

                    I have no owners. An employer is one whose problems (within my competence) I solve. For his money, naturally.
                    No more yes
                    1. zoolu350
                      zoolu350 24 December 2017 03: 49 New
                      +3
                      Do not be shy. How much lime and Sanox have you used in futile attempts to whitewash the wretched actions of the Russian oligarchy. At 10 in the morning to work and at 21 from work? So it’s not your life there, but raspberries. No wonder you are for the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 07: 34 New
                        +8
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        How much lime and Sanox have you used in futile attempts to whitewash the squalid actions of the Russian oligarchy

                        Exclusively in your inflamed brain ...
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        At 10 in the morning to work and at 21 from work? So your life is not there, but raspberries

                        So live for about a year, then come in ... if you have enough strength.
                        The game "Digger" do not remember, of course ... still in DOS-e worked. There the animal was running, the holes were digging, and the bags fell on it.
                        That's about such a job. I have it from 10 to 18, by the way. If everything is normal, naturally.
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        you are for the oligarchy of the Russian Federation

                        GYYY laughing laughing laughing
                        I would say that I’m thinking about you ... but I’m reluctant to go to the bathhouse, so there’s seven "medals already."
                        And to fly out of the site is reluctance, where else can you find such fun request
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              1. forty-eighth
                forty-eighth 23 December 2017 12: 14 New
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                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                simple people will vote, who do not sit on the forums, but work tirelessly!

                Any people will vote. And who sits on the forums, and who works tirelessly.
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                decide the people, not the idlers who rub the ass at the computer!

                Similar to the above. Loafers who rub their ass at the computer are part of the people.
                Well, the question is, how do you frequent this site: do you relate yourself to what part - to non-working hands or wiping your ass for loafers at the computer?
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 23 December 2017 14: 04 New
                  +4
                  Quote: forty-eighth
                  Well, the question is, how do you frequent this site: do you relate yourself to what part - to non-working hands or wiping your ass for loafers at the computer?

                  And to whom will you take me if I am a pensioner and work as much as possible. And I don’t have enough time to spend days at my computer. Therefore, I sometimes respond to comments late.
              2. Vladimir16
                Vladimir16 23 December 2017 12: 21 New
                22
                I will vote for someone who does not propose a revolution. For the one who really can control the country, the army, special services. So far, I have sent only Putin. His team steers.
                The change of the country's leader at the current time to anyone other than Putin entails a change in everyone and everything. Translating into Russian will be a scribe.
                Under the new tsar, changes occurred but not on a revolutionary scale. At councils, the party guaranteed the acceptability of power.
                The change of the Ririkovich dynasty to the Romanovs is the result of turmoil. Was z.opa at that moment in Russia. The change of the Romanovs to the CPSU is the result of the next turmoil. Was z.opa in Russia .. Millions of dead in every turmoil.
                Hunchback created another turmoil. The result is millions of beggars and millions of premature deaths of our fathers.
                Enough.
                Putin’s task over the next term is to create the acceptability of power in Russia without unrest.
                This is his historical mission.
                If he doesn’t do this, he will be us. And the army will not help.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 23 December 2017 14: 34 New
                  29
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  If he doesn’t do this, he will be us. And the army will not help.

                  He won’t do it! He leads the country into the abyss, everything will happen before you think up.
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  The change of the country's leader at the current time to anyone other than Putin entails a change in everyone and everything.

                  Do you like Chubais, Medvedev, Naibulin, Gref, Kudrin, Oreshkin, Kovalchuk, Rotenberg, Usmanov, Friedman?
                  Explain what will be bad for you personally if these people "leave"?
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  Translating into Russian will be a scribe.

                  Justify if you can.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 23 December 2017 15: 31 New
                    +1
                    "It will be bad for you personally if these people" leave ". If this happens, you can expect the closure and bankruptcy of all the enterprises they own and a good undermining of the economy, as a result.
                    1. rumatam
                      rumatam 23 December 2017 20: 14 New
                      +5
                      Yes, not much and lose, there is nothing to close, and the fact that they can be expropriated.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 24 December 2017 11: 24 New
                        +1
                        You have nothing to close, and a million people will be left without work.
                  2. Oden280
                    Oden280 23 December 2017 18: 28 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Do you like Chubais, Medvedev, Naibulin, Gref, Kudrin, Oreshkin, Kovalchuk, Rotenberg, Usmanov, Friedman?

                    There will not be these, there will be others. In our country, in principle, there are no normal people. In spite of any colors and slogans. All work out sponsorship. With a change of power, in addition, the control vertical is lost, and in this muddy water, any trash can make a buzz. And it will not end with anything good.
                    In addition, this collective farmer causes me great distrust. Well, no matter how he pulls on a popular candidate. It looks more like an oligarch from agriculture and our oligarchy will push it through its manual parties and movements.
                    1. Technician72
                      Technician72 23 December 2017 18: 50 New
                      12
                      But Putin is generally an agent of influence, not a single decision for the benefit of the people, all just to enrich the world behind the scenes!
                      1. Oden280
                        Oden280 23 December 2017 18: 58 New
                        +5
                        You have not seen the 90s and do not know what agents of influence are. Then, then, definitely not a single solution either. which is for the good of the people, and even for the stabilization of the state was not.
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 21: 57 New
                        11
                        Quote: Technician72
                        Putin is generally an agent of influence, not a single decision for the benefit of the people, all just for the enrichment of the world behind the scenes

                        Will you call the orderlies, or will you move yourself?
                        In general, drinking a lot is harmful yes
                2. VladGashek
                  VladGashek 24 December 2017 00: 53 New
                  +7
                  The task of the current government is to completely saw through the remnants of the public domain. Watch TV how GDP agrees with DAM on continuing privatization and setting priorities. Only the blindfolded and zaklukanny tradesman does not want to see this.
              3. faiver
                faiver 23 December 2017 12: 37 New
                24
                I’ll probably make a discovery for you, but the lion’s share of the “common people” that works tirelessly will not work - people don’t believe the authorities and the authorities themselves are to blame ...
                1. Vladimir16
                  Vladimir16 23 December 2017 13: 01 New
                  18
                  Do you know something there, discoverer? Speak for yourself. How many people out of 146 million do you personally know, and how many people have decided to inform you of the decision to vote? One, two, or three?
                  Usually for the people speak those who themselves are not a damn thing. hi
                  1. SOF
                    SOF 23 December 2017 13: 45 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Vladimir16
                    Usually people who do not represent a damn thing speak for the people

                    good
                    ... and this is the truth!
                    March 18, 2018 will show who is who.
                    Horses at the crossing, all the more so when around a pack of wolves, DO NOT CHANGE. Who else but us should know.
                    Exactly so many years ago there was already a precedent when, for the sake of politics, they nearly merged the entire power.
                    1. faiver
                      faiver 23 December 2017 13: 58 New
                      19
                      your “horses” have already been torn off all over the country like sticky ...
                      you ahem ahem ain't you getting stronger ...
                    2. RUSS
                      RUSS 23 December 2017 14: 36 New
                      13
                      Quote: SOF
                      Horses at the crossing, all the more so when around a pack of wolves, DO NOT CHANGE. Who else but us should know.

                      I heard this back in the 90s when the Kremlin movement "Our Home Russia" was going to the polls, and then in the presidential election.
                    3. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 23 December 2017 16: 00 New
                      16
                      Horses at the crossing, all the more so when around a pack of wolves, DO NOT CHANGE
                      Are they shooting horses, aren't they?
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                      2. Karabin
                        Karabin 23 December 2017 22: 16 New
                        +8
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        Are they shooting horses, aren't they?

                        They are a little like the driven ones. Rather, on the frenzied.
                      3. SOF
                        SOF 23 December 2017 22: 35 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        CHANGE
                        Are they shooting horses, aren't they?

                        Not true. When there is a flock of wolves (you need to read carefully, but not diagonally) you will have no time to shoot. Believe the Siberian, this is the first.
                        Now the second. If YOU, with the world's largest number of cameras in electoral precincts, with the complete prohibition of detachments and the presence of your observers in each polling station, try to declare the elections invalid, raise the Maidan in my country, play into the hands of diving from across the ocean, give up the "extra "the squares of the territory are not clear to anyone and you will risk reducing the population of my country by the next revolution --- blame yourself - now it’s not nine hundred and seventeenth, but two thousand and seventeenth and you’ll get the hell out of hiding your actions by taking the phone and telegraph.
                        ..... let's be honest, men, in Russian. It will not work the first time, with Grudinin, try the next one.
                        Do not spoil the water ......
                        Wolves, damn it, around. DON'T SEE WHAT?
                  2. faiver
                    faiver 23 December 2017 13: 56 New
                    +6
                    poke unimagined reflection in the mirror will
                    for myself, I can say that I’ll go to the polls, but based on what I see from the elections to the elections, most people don’t go to the polls ...
                2. JIaIIoTb
                  JIaIIoTb 23 December 2017 13: 26 New
                  +9
                  What I “like” liberalheads is not a punctured conceit.
                  Their point of view is the most "correct"! All that they utter is the ultimate truth. Even if it's a lie!
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 23 December 2017 14: 37 New
                    +8
                    Quote: JIaIIoTb
                    What I “like” liberalheads is not a punctured conceit.
                    Their point of view is the most "correct"! All that they utter is the ultimate truth. Even if it's a lie!

                    The same thing they will answer urapatriotami.
              4. Weyland
                Weyland 23 December 2017 13: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                simple people will vote, who do not sit on the forums, but work tirelessly!

                Something similar I already met centuries and a half ago ...

                "Feudal lord! shouted the patriot at him,
                Know that salvation is only among the people! ”
                But the Stream says: “I am also a people,
                So what is the exception for me? ”
                But to him a patriot: “You are a people, but not that one!
                Only black people are called to rule Russia!
                Then according to the old system everyone is equal,
                And in our opinion only he is full! ”
                (A.K. Tolstoy, "Stream-hero")
              5. RUSS
                RUSS 23 December 2017 14: 32 New
                +3
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                to be Putin president or not to be - it's up to the people, not the idlers who wipe their ass at the computer!

                Well, why wipe it? Maybe they have such a job - for example, security guards laughing
              6. serg.shishkov2015
                serg.shishkov2015 23 December 2017 15: 14 New
                +4
                Although I’m sitting on VO, I’m sticking it in such a way that my eyes are on my forehead, guts from, ,,, I’ll vote for GDP and do not hide it, although I live hrrrrr!
                1. Wayfarer
                  Wayfarer 23 December 2017 17: 37 New
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                  Quote: serg.shishkov2015
                  I’ll vote for the GDP and do not hide it, although I live hrrrrr!
                  For the yachts and palaces of the oligarchs? For offshore and US securities? For the sanctions and the split of the Russian people? For the impoverishment of the population? For the systemic crisis and the decline in industrial production?
                  1. serg.shishkov2015
                    serg.shishkov2015 25 December 2017 06: 12 New
                    0
                    I won’t be for the racers, who are in the State Duma for 24 years on a thick w ,,,, sit for swamp evil spirits !!!!!!!
            4. RUSS
              RUSS 23 December 2017 14: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              I do not care about the Communist Party program-a set of unfulfilled wishes, I look at her affairs at the present stage.

              And at the present stage, the Communist Party is looking into the Kremlin’s mouth.
              1. the lord
                the lord 23 December 2017 21: 21 New
                +2
                Duck is not going to see anymore, otherwise they would have acted like a girik and a codla-old candela sent to the polls b. And in the modern world it’s impossible without a link to the Kremlin — the enemy is not asleep, but fighting for the right to the Kremlin is extremely necessary. To rule us the best
          2. Pirogov
            Pirogov 23 December 2017 11: 45 New
            +8
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Have you ever looked into the Communist Party program with at least one eye?

            And what is someone going to execute this program? The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is no different from EP; the same bigwigs are only pushed to second roles.
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 23 December 2017 12: 06 New
              11
              Pirogov
              The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is no different from EP; the same bigwigs are only pushed to second roles.
              Yeah, all the thieves and corrupt officials are direct. Only in the West are true disinterested managers. We heard about the fact that everything is bad with us. There everything goes awry. Maybe we’ll organize a veche on Red Square? The dream of all the enemies of Russia.
              1. Pirogov
                Pirogov 23 December 2017 13: 23 New
                +5
                Quote: Observer2014
                Yeah, all the thieves and corrupt officials are direct. Only in the West are true disinterested managers. We heard about the fact that everything is bad with us. There everything goes awry. Maybe we’ll organize a veche on Red Square? The dream of all the enemies of Russia.

                Your complaints against me are ridiculous. If you carefully read the comments, then you realized that to the colleague who praised the Communist Party, I wrote that the Communist Party is the same people as in the EP and all their programs will remain that way. And why did you drag the west, veche, Red Square, I don’t understand, I’m far from being a fan of the West. Keep yourself in control uv. Observer and do not look for enemies where they are not.
            2. Lars971a
              Lars971a 23 December 2017 14: 35 New
              +8
              And the programs of all presidential candidates are about the same, so you need to look at real things. But things like that, the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs has failed, pension reform has failed, foreign policy has failed, I do not mean Syria, I mean Ukraine as the most painful for our country
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 23 December 2017 15: 40 New
                +3
                “I mean Ukraine” It’s all over with her, let this ballast go on to a cliff of infinity, a country of traitors and cowards, with Bandera’s foundations, with rare exceptions, why we don’t need it, we have our own problems - we won’t help them.
                1. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 24 December 2017 01: 40 New
                  +4
                  Here, part of Russia already has ballast. Tomorrow we’ll get ballast from him and the Caucasus, then the Urals and the Volga region. And only Moscow will not be ballast.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 24 December 2017 11: 29 New
                    +2
                    It’s at your own expense that you will feed and equip your beloved Bandera’s Ukraine - “this half of Russia” doesn’t pierce a knife like it stuck in the back.
                    1. zoolu350
                      zoolu350 24 December 2017 11: 40 New
                      +1
                      At my expense, Ukraine will feed me. You stupidly do not see that in Ukraine the Enemy will not stop and move on?
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 24 December 2017 23: 12 New
                        0
                        This enemy will not move further - has already run into a barrier. Ukraine has a lid, it’s time to leave it, it itself went to this, starting from the 30s.
              2. turbris
                turbris 23 December 2017 15: 57 New
                0
                Lars971A - well, you definitely don’t have to go to the polls, since everything has failed, I want to tell you whoever you choose - everything personally will continue to fail, so why go?
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 21: 29 New
                  +2
                  Turbris, is there anything concrete to say, or is it just pathetics that is pouring out of you?
          3. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 23 December 2017 12: 38 New
            +5
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Someone who is not "slammed" on corruption, or on a trivial bribe, starting from the head of the wounded district municipality, to the Minister of Economic Development of Russia, is the representative of Edra

            I would rephrase it differently: "They will not slam, but will merge their own").
          4. Blombirus
            Blombirus 23 December 2017 13: 18 New
            +5
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Quote: andrej-shironov
            This is yes. The modern Communist Party took everything bad from the CPSU of the Brezhnev era.

            Well? What exactly did the Communist Party take from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union? In my opinion, "United Russia" is a remake of the CPSU in its worst form - a one-party system of power, at least vertically, at least horizontally. Someone who is not "slammed" on corruption, or on a trivial bribe, starting from the head of the wounded district municipality to the Minister of Economic Development of Russia, is the representative of Edra. They don’t even blame their failures on anyone - wherever they spit one Edro. Have you ever looked into the Communist Party program with at least one eye?

            And nobody edsin and praises. Natural cattle base. And communism from there, and Zhiriputzli from communism. The massacre entertainer. Darrmoedy!
          5. alexmach
            alexmach 23 December 2017 15: 16 New
            +6
            In my opinion, United Russia is a remake of the CPSU

            This is probably true, only the CPSU still had some kind of ideology.
            Communist Party - a parody and parasites.
          6. Shelest2000
            Shelest2000 23 December 2017 16: 25 New
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            Someone who is not "slammed" on corruption, or on a trivial bribe, starting from the head of the wounded district municipality, to the Minister of Economic Development of Russia, is the representative of Edra. They don’t even blame their failures on anyone - wherever they spit one Edro. Have you ever looked into the Communist Party program with at least one eye?

            I agree with you. At the moment, all of these "fair Russia", Zhirik with the Liberal Democratic Party, Sobchachka and others, other - just cherished that year, albeit with different names, the project for the selection of votes from the Communists. No more. And the project is very successful. It is enough to see how the LDPR votes on bills - almost 100% with EdRom.
            PS. Grudinin is currently the only candidate with a clear program for the development of production and agricultural production (I’ll give my vote for him), unlike the GDP with his old songs about the main thing at the last conference, which you could not have listened to - all the same, as a year ago. Alas. GDP will choose itself once again as President - it will fall into the Guinness book, surpassing Brezhnev.
          7. RUSS
            RUSS 23 December 2017 21: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            In my opinion, United Russia is a remake of the CPSU

            Pavel Grudinin was a member of the Communist Party, then in United Russia, now he leaned to the left and joined the Communist Party, but he did not join it in truth.
        2. Lars971a
          Lars971a 23 December 2017 14: 25 New
          14
          The CPSU and the Communist Party are just babies compared to today's UNITED RUSSIA, this is definitely
        3. Wayfarer
          Wayfarer 23 December 2017 17: 25 New
          14
          An important detail is intentionally hushed up in the article: Grudinin is a representative of a broad national-patriotic front, which includes left and right, including nationalists and monarchists. Currently, we are witnessing a unique event: the unification of all the patriotic forces of Russia, aimed at overcoming the oligarchic, offshore course of power, leading the country out of the systemic crisis.
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      3. Conductor
        Conductor 23 December 2017 11: 59 New
        +3
        Do you think that Grudinin has a chance? He’s not a particularly well-known figure, the electorate of the Communist Party is slowly but surely drying out, Zu, just decided not to substitute for another loss. Or maybe there really are some hints about improving and strengthening the Communist Party.
        1. captain
          captain 23 December 2017 12: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Conductor
          Do you think that Grudinin has a chance? He’s not a particularly well-known figure, the electorate of the Communist Party is slowly but surely drying out, Zu, just decided not to substitute for another loss. Or maybe there really are some hints about improving and strengthening the Communist Party.

          Anecdote to the topic;
          -Abram sells boiled eggs in the market for 10 cop. a piece.
          -Ivan is surprised; Abram, you buy raw from me at 10cop, you cook them and sell at 10cop. Where is the profit?
          Abram replies: Well, firstly, a fat, and secondly, I AM IN BUSINESS.
        2. turbris
          turbris 23 December 2017 16: 00 New
          +2
          Conductor - I only bet on whether he will win Zyuganov in comparison with the previous elections, and of course he has no chance of becoming president.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 21: 31 New
            +3
            Well, compared to Putin, who draw voices, they’re definitely not.
            1. turbris
              turbris 24 December 2017 11: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              Well, compared to Putin, who draw voices, they’re definitely not.

              You love the facts! Give how many court orders have been canceled the election results at specific polling stations, and then talk about where and who draws something. Your main principle in comments is boltology.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 24 December 2017 14: 59 New
                +2
                Turbris, can you talk about chatter without facts! Whose cow would mumble ... Recalculations were, you can easily find this info on the Internet.
      4. Observer2014
        Observer2014 23 December 2017 12: 18 New
        +7
        oleg-gr
        Zyuganov wants to become a gray cardinal in case of victory of Grudinin. "Guiding and guiding force." The CPSU is not forgotten.
        What a gray cardinal there. A strong prime minister is needed in the country. What kind of president is there with Grudinin ?! The chairman of the collective farm. What does he think about in geopolitics? Or the security of the country. We repeat I need a strong manager. If you want a supply manager. I think that I’d get a great prime minister with Grudinin. Together with Putin. But there’s no way to climb Grudinin as president. It’s early. we have one Silan. Gorbachev was called. It would be a smart and right step to make him prime minister. But first, let him run in the election. Maybe Putin will have him pretended to be taken to the government. For you can see for yourself. The country got this situation. I will not list it. And so everyone is aware of our problems.
        1. freddyk
          freddyk 23 December 2017 12: 51 New
          23
          Quote: Observer2014
          A strong prime minister is needed in the country. What kind of president is there with Grudinin ?! The chairman of the collective farm. What does he think about in geopolitics? Or the security of the country. We repeat a strong manager. we have one silan. Gorbachev was called. It would be smart and right step to make him prime minister


          Partly agree with you. But there will be no connection with Putin. Putin is already in conjunction with the oligarchs and embezzlers. He told us clearly, the government and the prime minister are completely satisfied with it. Well proven in foreign policy? Let him work in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, under the supervision of the Communist Party. But the problem of Gorbachev is not that he is a peasant, but that he (censorship) and a traitor.
        2. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 23 December 2017 12: 54 New
          +9
          Quote: Observer2014
          Maybe Putin will take his pretext to the government. For you can see for yourself. This situation got the country

          But Putin is just happy with such a situation with the Government, from the work of which he experiences only positive emotions.
          By the way, if he said the opposite, guess who the "indignant voice of the people" would turn to?)). And so, the people simply "do not understand" why they are holding them. The consensus between the authorities and the people however!)
        3. Wayfarer
          Wayfarer 23 December 2017 17: 48 New
          11
          Quote: Observer2014
          What does he think there in geopolitics
          Do you think someone in power understands geopolitics? Do not make me laugh. They are well versed in offshore and more. Grudinin was put forward by a wide front of the patriotic forces of the left and right; there is an excellent program and a strong government. Grudinin and the patriotic government are able to pull Russia out of the swamp into which the liberals and oligarchs dragged there.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 03: 00 New
            +8
            Quote: Traveler
            Grudinin nominated by a wide front of the patriotic forces of the left and right

            It would be interesting to know Who paid this "union"?
            It was strange somehow - they were biting, biting among themselves, and suddenly decided ... to unite ... all-all-all, from the Communist Party to the Natsiks. Noah's ark, "every creature has a pair," damn it ...
            Quote: Traveler
            there is a great program, a strong government

            What is the beauty of the program? How is the power of "government" proved? Well, besides the trepidation on the Internet, of course?
            Quote: Traveler
            Grudinin and the patriotic government are able to pull Russia out of the swamp into which liberals and oligarchs dragged

            Only if they have a large supply of bottles ... but not those that you have !! And with genies that fulfill desires.
            So how is it there? About the bottles, in the sense of? wink
            1. Wayfarer
              Wayfarer 24 December 2017 07: 44 New
              +5
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              It would be interesting to know who paid this "union"?
              Your attempts to muddy and discredit the patriots of Russia will lead to nothing. Victory will be ours.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              What is the beauty of the program? How is the power of "government" proved?
              Read everything on the Internet. The program is socially oriented, the nationalization of the commodity sector, state investment in production and agriculture, the real fight against corruption and sabotage.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              How is the power of "government" proved?
              The authority of members of the government. From the mere mention of Strelkov's name, some have an acute attack of diarrhea. In the case of the appointment of I.I. Strelkov as the director of the FSB, he will bring legitimacy to the country with space velocity.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              if they have a large supply of bottles ...
              A lot of things were written about Trump, but in the end he won. Previously, the choice was between Putin and Zyuganov, many voted for Putin out of hopelessness, as the ideas of the Communists do not enjoy support, the townsfolk are afraid of empty shops. In addition, patriots-statesmen who did not share leftist views, nationalists and monarchists did not vote for Zagyunov. All this division in the past, the patriots of Russia united, chose a single candidate for president of the Russian Federation, formed a single program and government. Now all patriots will vote for one candidate, and the townsfolk will see a real alternative to Putin and will vote for Grudinin.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 08: 06 New
                +8
                Quote: Traveler
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                :
                It would be interesting to know who paid this "union"?

                Your attempts to muddy and discredit the patriots of Russia

                Do not cut quotes, since they have already begun to quote an opponent.
                I was just interested, why I repeat
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                suddenly decided ... to unite ... all-all-all, from the Communist Party to the Natsik

                They thought of it themselves, or who “thought it over” who?
                Quote: Traveler
                ... nationalization of the commodity sector ...

                I see ... civil war - as a result. And there, "potential partners" will catch up ...
                Nubynafig negative
                Quote: Traveler
                ... state investment in production and agriculture ...

                "Where is the money, Zin?"
                You’ll sing about 109 lards, probably ... well, go ahead yes
                Quote: Traveler
                real fight against corruption and sabotage

                May God give our calves and eat the wolf (s).
                Something in the morning on proverbs-sayings pulled ... to the rain snow, probably ...
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                How is the power of "government" proved?

                Quote: Traveler
                The authority of members of the government

                Thanks, it's already funny ...
                Quote: Traveler
                From the mere mention of Strelkov's name, some have an acute attack of diarrhea

                Ahhh ... Isn't that the one howling every day from the basement: "Putin, bring in troops"?
                Personally, from the mention of his name "I have an acute attack" of disgust negative
                Quote: Traveler
                In the case of the appointment of I.I. Strelkov as the director of the FSB, he will bring legitimacy to the country with space velocity

                Yeah. With the help of genies and bottles, I told you already.
                Really - there will be a mess even bigger than under Bakatin, for example (remember this? Hardly ...)
                Quote: Traveler
                ... Zagyunov was not voted by state-patriots who did not share leftist views, nationalists and monarchists. All this separation in the past, the patriots of Russia united ..

                So: "philistines", "communists", nationalists and monarchists have united.
                Well I say - the zoo for a walk laughing
                Quote: Traveler
                Victory will be ours

                In such a composition - very unlikely.
                PS: Another time, when you write something, you’ll be kindly advised: think with your head ... You have a blunder on a blunder in your "message", it’s not even funny negative
                1. Wayfarer
                  Wayfarer 24 December 2017 08: 32 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  They thought of it themselves, or who “thought it over” who?
                  They united because they are all patriots, devoted to their homeland and ready to give up some of their ideals to save the country. Only by uniting, the patriots get a chance to win, that's what everyone understands now. Of course, it was necessary to unite earlier, the unification did not happen suddenly, this was preceded by a long process of negotiations and approvals.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  I see ... civil war - as a result. And there, "potential partners" will catch up ...
                  Do not scare. Just funny. There will be no civil war, the partners of the current government will also sit exactly where they are sitting.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  "Where is the money, Zin?"
                  It’s funny. The national analysis of the commodity sector, the state monopoly on alcohol, the cessation of the export of capital to offshore companies, the return of funds taken abroad, the introduction of the death penalty, a sharp decrease in theft and corruption, a tough fight against sabotage. Are you still wondering where to get the money? Enough money for social, defense, science and space.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Thanks, it's already funny ...
                  What you still have to do, you have no arguments, only dirt.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Personally, from the mention of his name "I have an acute attack" of disgust
                  What you get there doesn't matter.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Yeah. With the help of genies and bottles, I told you already.
                  The death penalty for corruption and theft on an especially large scale will be introduced and strict compliance with the law will be introduced. That’s all, this is enough to restore order in the country.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Well I say - the zoo for a walk
                  The patriots of Russia united, leaving their political differences to save the country.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  In such a composition - very unlikely.
                  Russia has no other patriots.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  think with your head ... You have a blooper on a blooper in your "message", it’s not even funny already
                  Dear, keep yourself in control, you have not yet made a single reasonable argument. Only the dirt that you pour on the training manual. How many silverfish do you get paid for your labors?
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        4. zoolu350
          zoolu350 24 December 2017 02: 09 New
          +1
          The chairman of the collective farm Lukashenko turns on ... The oligarch of the Russian Federation, together with their senior partners, the owners of the Fed vertically and diagonally in matters of geopolitics. And if Grudinin becomes the prime minister in this government, then he sold himself to the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 02: 54 New
            +8
            Quote: zoolu350
            The chairman of the collective farm Lukashenko turns on ... The oligarch of the Russian Federation, together with their senior partners, the owners of the Fed vertically and diagonally in matters of geopolitics

            It would be interesting to learn in more detail what exactly this "spinning" is expressed in.
            So far, Belarus lives in debt, debt repayments are carried out through re-lending (that is, through new borrowings).
            The external debt of the Republic of Belarus as of 01.062016 amounted to $ 13,1 billion.
            As of 01.11 / 2017, the external debt of the Republic of Belarus amounted to $ 16,6 billion.

            I think the dynamics are clear yes
            Quote: zoolu350
            ... if Grudinin becomes the prime minister in this government ...

            And who said about "this government"? With the re-election of the President of the Russian Federation, the government will be reorganized, so you know ...
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 24 December 2017 03: 57 New
              +3
              In what does not allow these ghouls (the owners of the Fed and the oligarchy of the Russian Federation) to put their dirty paws on the beautiful Belarus and throw its wonderful people into the darkness of poverty and hopelessness. The debt is not so big, the school has much more. And it does not creep in front of the owners of the Fed, like the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. Any government formed by the oligarchy of the Russian Federation is essentially anti-people.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 07: 29 New
                +8
                Quote: zoolu350
                In what does not allow these ghouls (the owners of the Fed and the oligarchy of the Russian Federation) to put their dirty paws on the beautiful Belarus and throw its wonderful people into the darkness of poverty and hopelessness

                The fact that the Old Man managed to save in Belarus much of what was left of the USSR (and socialism) is, of course, a predatory plus for him.
                Everything else is far from so rosy. In particular, about "poverty and hopelessness." Unfortunately.
                Quote: zoolu350
                The debt is not so big, the school has much more

                Nonsense talk please. It is necessary to compare comparable things. And so, as you deigned to write there - yes, "donkey doesn't care ... ears are longer" wink
                Quote: zoolu350
                Any government formed by the oligarchy

                The Government in the Russian Federation is formed by the Chairman of the Government appointed (with the consent of the State Duma) by the President of the Russian Federation.
                Question: Which of them, in your opinion, is the “oligarchy of the Russian Federation”?
                1. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 24 December 2017 10: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  The Government in the Russian Federation is formed by the Chairman of the Government appointed (with the consent of the State Duma) by the President of the Russian Federation.
                  Question: Which of them, in your opinion, is the “oligarchy of the Russian Federation”?

                  All of you listed and those who stand behind them.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 10: 21 New
                    +8
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    All of you listed and those who stand behind them

                    Mdya ... "Shiz mowed our ranks" (c) ...
                    Good luck ... fiery fighter request
                    1. zoolu350
                      zoolu350 24 December 2017 11: 42 New
                      +2
                      Your ranks (slaves of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation) are mowed by the Truth. Thank you, I will need luck.
      5. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 23 December 2017 12: 27 New
        +8
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Zyuganov wants to become a gray cardinal in case of victory of Grudinin. "Guiding and guiding force." The CPSU is not forgotten.

        It's okay. Once Berezovsky installed Putin, and then Uncle Vova showed the benefactor a fang and Borka barely got his feet swept away. The test of power is a terrible force. And everyone passes it differently ...
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 23 December 2017 14: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Barkhan
          It's okay. Once Berezovsky put Putin

          Really? Is Birch himself direct?
        2. Wayfarer
          Wayfarer 23 December 2017 17: 59 New
          14
          Quote: Barkhan
          Once Berezovsky put Putin
          This tale was composed by Berezovsky. If this were actually the case, then he would not end his life in England. Putin does not abandon his.

          In fact, the Kremlin nominated Stepashin as the successor to Yeltsin, he traveled to the United States, spoke in the US Congress, but ultimately put forward Putin. And then you know everything: the lack of funding for the army, the destruction of a reconnaissance base in Cuba, the destruction of a base in Kamran in Vietnam, the destruction of the MIR space station, the destruction of the most important railway nuclear deterrence complex, the awarding of the Order to Gorbachev, the Yeltsintsentr, Mannerheim’s board, with an honor guard and Ivanov standing at quietly and much more. Grudinin can put an end to all of this if, contrary to everything, he becomes president of the Russian Federation.
      6. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 23 December 2017 12: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Zyuganov wants to become a gray cardinal in case of victory of Grudinin.

        Yeah, this was especially evident when he merged in 1996. Gray Cardinal Yeltsin?)
    2. CAPTIVE
      CAPTIVE 23 December 2017 10: 49 New
      +5
      Well, finally, Zyuganov realized ..!
      And Grudinin ... What with the other surnames is not?
      It would be better if they nominated me!
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 23 December 2017 11: 05 New
        28
        Quote: captive
        And Grudinin ... What with the other surnames is not?

        What's wrong with the last name?
        Quote: captive
        It would be better if they nominated me!

        How correctly: Candidate Captive or Captive candidate?))) It sounds so, and so ...
        1. the most important
          the most important 23 December 2017 18: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Volodin
          How correctly: Candidate Captive or Captive candidate?))) It sounds so, and so ...

          Considering. that he is a senior lieutenant on the site, it will be right - POW! Well, on the one hand, it is very successful - they will not shoot.
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 23 December 2017 11: 08 New
        12
        Quote: captive
        It would be better if they nominated me!

        What is the problem then Vital laughing Collect signatures, documents and more, VO audience is huge! fellow
        1. CAPTIVE
          CAPTIVE 23 December 2017 15: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: 79807420129
          Quote: captive
          It would be better if they nominated me!

          What is the problem then Vital laughing Collect signatures, documents and more, VO audience is huge! fellow

          If only by admin .. hehe winked
      3. PalBor
        PalBor 23 December 2017 11: 30 New
        +6
        Quote: captive
        Well, finally, Zyuganov realized ..!
        And Grudinin ... What with the other surnames is not?
        It would be better if they nominated me!

        Silbershuher?
        1. PalBor
          PalBor 23 December 2017 11: 31 New
          19
          And Grudinin is a normal man. Namely, that man.
          1. dauria
            dauria 23 December 2017 12: 09 New
            +2
            And Grudinin is a normal man. Namely, that man.


            I’m talking about a neighbor, and I can’t say anything - they didn’t serve together, they didn’t work, they didn’t study or drink. (By the way, Grudinin didn’t serve either) And here from the floundering bay ... "No one will give us deliverance. Neither God, nor king, nor hero." Quickly forgot. For me, this is happiness for the current rulers. He won’t win, but will give weight to the elections and visibility. And if (oh miracle) wins? Cancel privatization? Plants and land will return to the state? belay Of course not. So, we live under capitalism. So, the hope is only on ourselves and the trade unions. And the presidents - we are not choosing them, but the ruling elite.

            And in general, it is time to choose presidents from artists. There is no difference, but they will look on the screen. laughing
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          2. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 23 December 2017 13: 45 New
            +6
            Quote: PalBor
            And Grudinin is a normal man. Namely, that man.

            Yeltsin was also a “normal” man, whom the people were led to. Because he blamed the Mech, and in fact both led the same line of the clan "party" and American friends. I don’t feel any dislikes towards Grudinin, but I wouldn’t wave with a “checker” rashly. We need to see what team and program they are preparing and what will come of those slogans that they promote. Zyuganov said a lot of things and says, but for some reason the “left” electorate is becoming more and more disappointed in supporting up to a statistical error in the difference between the slogans of the Communist Party and their deeds. The celebration of the 100th anniversary of the Great October Revolution clearly showed this. But how many billions (!!!) of state rubles are allocated annually to the party and could independently, without the support of the authorities, organize the celebration of the anniversary not only in Moscow, but throughout Russia.
            For some reason, the liberals from the government are not stingy with the “Trotsky” and “The Wailing Walls,” and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation as promoting the communist ideas among young people is an “icon of the retirement age” and ANYTHING with the complete absence of driving energy from Pavka Korchagin. If so, where is the money, Zin?)
            Sometimes I get the impression that Zyu was specially made to lead the Communist Party so that the party would lose its authority and finally bury communist ideas completely and irrevocably among the people.
            What am I calling for?
            Do not rush to conclusions (three months before the elections, despite the fact that everyone understands who will win) and thoroughly and carefully analyze, but is this coalition leading us to the “left” reforms that the people demand? Is it possible to get another Yeltsin out of the changed communists and those who joined them?
            And if it succeeds, it will be a complete collapse of the "left" movement in the country. Something like this....
            1. PalBor
              PalBor 23 December 2017 13: 59 New
              +4
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              Quote: PalBor
              And Grudinin is a normal man. Namely, that man.

              Yeltsin was also a “normal” man, whom the people were led to. Because he blamed the Mech, and in fact both led the same line of the clan "party" and American friends. I don’t feel any dislikes towards Grudinin, but I wouldn’t wave with a “checker” rashly. We need to see what team and program they are preparing and what will come of those slogans that they promote. Zyuganov said a lot of things and says, but for some reason the “left” electorate is becoming more and more disappointed in supporting up to a statistical error in the difference between the slogans of the Communist Party and their deeds. The celebration of the 100th anniversary of the Great October Revolution clearly showed this. But how many billions (!!!) of state rubles are allocated annually to the party and could independently, without the support of the authorities, organize the celebration of the anniversary not only in Moscow, but throughout Russia.
              For some reason, the liberals from the government are not stingy with the “Trotsky” and “The Wailing Walls,” and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation as promoting the communist ideas among young people is an “icon of the retirement age” and ANYTHING with the complete absence of driving energy from Pavka Korchagin. If so, where is the money, Zin?)
              Sometimes I get the impression that Zyu was specially made to lead the Communist Party so that the party would lose its authority and finally bury communist ideas completely and irrevocably among the people.
              What am I calling for?
              Do not rush to conclusions (three months before the elections, despite the fact that everyone understands who will win) and thoroughly and carefully analyze, but is this coalition leading us to the “left” reforms that the people demand? Is it possible to get another Yeltsin out of the changed communists and those who joined them?
              And if it succeeds, it will be a complete collapse of the "left" movement in the country. Something like this....

              X ... knows him. I am not campaigning, I have not decided yet. But you can and should pay attention to a person.
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 23 December 2017 15: 22 New
                +6
                Quote: PalBor
                X ... knows him. I am not campaigning, I have not decided yet. But you can and should pay attention to a person.

                Who can argue, in my opinion, this "globalization" and "common mankind" with fascist manners in the form of individual integration into the market "a la Chubais & Gaidar" has already gotten everyone.
      4. avt
        avt 23 December 2017 11: 39 New
        +9
        Quote: captive
        Well, finally, Zyuganov realized ..!

        bully I would rather believe in the raider seizure of the privatized brand - ,, Communist Party "than in some kind of" enlightenment "in Zyuganov’s brain in terms of ,, the struggle for the ideals of communism." bully Zyuganov extinguished all attempts, comrades in struggle, to “move him from this feeding trough, well, with age, it seems, he partially succeeds. Unlike Zhirik.
        Quote: captive
        And Grudinin ...

        And Grudinin will sparkle his face on TV in the toga of a candidate from a prizedient and go back to the collective farm. In general, forget about the current commies. Hucksters. They had everything in 1996 - the Federation Council was controlled through the Oryol Yagorka, he headed the Duma directly No. 2, there was a red belt of governors, the elections at the EBN Zyuganov won in the first round in one wicket and .... turned on the back - ,, Otherwise there will be a war between the north and the south. Yes, and your Grudinin is not Butska, he does not have a thirst for power.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 23 December 2017 14: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: avt
          Otherwise there will be a war of the north with the south. Yes, and your Grudinin is not Butsk, he does not have a thirst for power.

          By the way, it could well have been, the so-called “red belt” had been and partially remained, it was mainly the southern regions that voted for the left forces.
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2017 17: 04 New
        0
        You can’t - make it so that the floor will crack, and in the place with the floor and the country.
    3. Finches
      Finches 23 December 2017 10: 51 New
      13
      I wish health to Zyuganov and Zhirinovsky, but I remembered from the immortal Golden Calf:"- It's time, father," the doorman answered, smiling joyfully, "into our Soviet columbarium. He even waved his hands ...." laughing
      1. jolly deckhand
        jolly deckhand 23 December 2017 10: 57 New
        20
        Zyuganov didn’t even have to — he essentially refused the Presidency in 96, and now sits in the warm Dumovsky chair, don’t care for him people ... I don’t even vote against him for power, traitor.
        1. Finches
          Finches 23 December 2017 11: 02 New
          19
          Now it is possible to vote protesting for the chairman of the collective farm ... And now I remembered the magnificent Soviet actor Mikhail Ulyanov in the role from the movie "Chairman"! laughing
          By the way, the Communists need to lobby the screening of this good film before the elections on the central TV channels in prime time - according to any number of votes, they will be torn off the "bloody" dictator! laughing
          1. freddyk
            freddyk 23 December 2017 11: 45 New
            15
            Quote: Finches
            Now you can protest for the collective farm chairman to vote

            And why only protest? Do you think he has no chance of winning? I still believe that everything depends on us. If those who never voted go, and there are thirty percent, then this is a real chance.
            1. Finches
              Finches 23 December 2017 11: 46 New
              +6
              Basically, I don’t vote, but if I go, I will vote for GDP! Grudinin’s time has not come yet ... hi
              1. freddyk
                freddyk 23 December 2017 11: 53 New
                14
                Your right. I also do not vote since 1996, and now I did not intend to. But now I’ll go for sure.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 23 December 2017 11: 58 New
                  +2
                  And wonderful - but I have not decided yet - as they say - "To be or not to be" - beat or not beat, that’s the question! laughing
                  1. freddyk
                    freddyk 23 December 2017 12: 12 New
                    +3
                    Yes, there is still time for reflection what
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 23 December 2017 14: 45 New
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                Basically, I don’t vote, but if I go, I will vote for GDP! Grudinin’s time has not come yet ... hi

                This is the position of the loyalists and those now more and more ......
                1. Finches
                  Finches 23 December 2017 15: 21 New
                  +1
                  Excuse me, I do not consider your position at all as the position of a patriot, but rather the opposite - a position aimed at weakening Russia, so your reference to the loyalists and patriots of America’s struggle for their independence is completely inappropriate here! hi
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 23 December 2017 18: 32 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Finches
                    Excuse me, I do not consider your position at all as the position of a patriot, but rather the opposite - a position aimed at weakening Russia, so your reference to the loyalists and patriots of America’s struggle for their independence is completely inappropriate here! hi

                    How can you judge my political preferences if you don't know me at all? Yes, Loyanism certainly originated in the war for US independence, but loyalism was also manifested in Northern Ireland at the end of the 20th century and there are prerequisites in modern Russia, and you are a supporter of this phenomenon.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 23 December 2017 18: 41 New
                      +2
                      I am a supporter of Putin, but for some reason this is what you consider my loyalism - everything suits me in the policy pursued by the incumbent President ... I see shortcomings, but I clearly understand that the best candidate today is not just saying the right words , but also able to do something, in Russia, no! I don’t believe in the ability of a single candidate to do something better than GDP, but what’s going to get worse is almost certain! And this is not a position of non-interference or loyalism - it's just plain common sense! You need shocks - I personally do not!
                      1. turbris
                        turbris 24 December 2017 11: 37 New
                        0
                        Zyablitsev - here someone on the site did not find people who will vote for Putin. So, I officially declare that I will be the majority of my acquaintances and friends. So that later they would not talk about postscripts and all kinds of violations in the elections.
            2. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 23 December 2017 15: 06 New
              +3
              Quote: freddyk
              Now it is possible to vote protesting for the chairman of the collective farm ... And now I remember


              well, he has no chance, that’s understandable. Too many who do not see the point of changing “horses at the crossing,” “sewed to soap” request it’s just that with each new period of GDP, two lines are more clearly visible — domestic and foreign policy. If I think for external support for 90%, then for the internal ... I’m even afraid to assume ... I feel no more than half, maybe even a third. Just vote for one! And as a protest - I agree! As the only way to convey the opinion of the people ... After all, no one doubts that Putin will win? So let him at least listen, not to liberals and all sorts of pro-Westerners, but to those who want to live in dignity in their own country. In any case, this is certainly not Sobchak hi
              1. dauria
                dauria 23 December 2017 15: 32 New
                10
                After all, no one doubts that Putin will win? So let him at least listen


                Why would he listen at the latest? Finally, it will fix the bondage, raise the retirement age. In a word, he will do everything for which the owners keep him there - and retire.
                1. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 23 December 2017 15: 38 New
                  +1
                  well
                  Quote: dauria
                  After all, no one doubts that Putin will win? So let him at least listen


                  Why would he listen at the latest? Finally, it will fix the bondage, raise the retirement age. In a word, he will do everything for which the owners keep him there - and retire.


                  well, anyway you need to think about the future after GDP)) hi
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 23 December 2017 11: 48 New
            24
            Quote: Finches
            Now you can protest for the collective farm chairman to vote ...

            Duc for a dog portfolio carrier already 18 votes, we tolerate for now wink
            Quote: Finches
            And now I remembered the magnificent Soviet actor Mikhail Ulyanov in the role from the movie "Chairman"!

            A great movie good , and with pvv only about cops and oligarchs, a la "beauty" belay
            Quote: Finches
            according to any how many votes will be torn from the "bloody" dictator!

            do not worry!


            1. Finches
              Finches 23 December 2017 11: 50 New
              +8
              Sling cutter hi I’ll specially repeat for you - today, neither Grudinin, nor Jesus Christ can do anything to satisfy your aspirations — it will only get worse! The time has not come yet, but in the 24th year, there is a sense in his candidacy ! Only he needs to spend this period of time very productively for himself and for the party!
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 23 December 2017 21: 54 New
                +7
                Quote: Finches
                The time has not come yet, but in the 24th year - there is a sense in his candidacy!

                And at pvv time has already passed. Well, you can’t pull the country more than all the 18 years a citizen of PvP has been doing together with his homies.
                The country will not stand another 6 years with him and his "team", although everything will happen much earlier.
                For me personally, the pvv personification of lies.
                Believe me, very little time will pass, when all his deeds are opened, you will be ashamed of your current position.
                and it is better for him to leave voluntarily under the guarantee of inviolability and transfer power to the Government of the People’s Trust.
                Otherwise, he will lead us to disaster and his personal in particular.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 23 December 2017 22: 11 New
                  0
                  Sling cutter, no offense, get out of the narrow circle of your illusions ... hi
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 23 December 2017 22: 15 New
                +2
                Look at the meeting of the board of directors of the Russian Federation.
                Separately, pay attention to citizens of foreign states that are part of Putin's circle: Timchenko, Usmanov ... etc.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 23 December 2017 22: 25 New
                  0
                  So what? What do you mean by that? A Communist candidate will come - only the names will change, but there will be the same video! You are an adult! hi
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 24 December 2017 00: 36 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Finches
                    So what? What do you mean by that? Communist candidate will come

                    I want to say that this is a representative of the united wide opposition !!! I give myself a report that if Grudinin is available, even if he won, the elections will be rigged, while ensuring the turnout. But this is a tactic. But strategically, now the opposition will act as a united front. If before the communists went to rallies on their own, and the Russian March was separate, now everyone will come out !!!
                    And the second point, what kind of “team” does Putin have? Now look at the Government of People’s Trust and their program of action.
                    I give you materials, look at least before drawing conclusions.
                    And the last one: he’ve exhausted himself, it’s obvious that in six months nobody will listen to his lies and no Nazi squad will help him.
                    All of you Zaputinians hold on to this citizen only because of oil prices. As soon as your little piece of “trough” begins to shrink, you will be the first to take it down. You zaputintsy will be hit on the nose from all sides, you will be shown that you are nowhere in the international arena, your money is offshore, you don’t have friends, even you go to the Olympic Games under the white flag. But soon they will give you a kick in the form of confiscation of foreign dough, including the stabilization fund, then the price of oil, a maratorium for the supply of oil products and other things will crash. equipment, slightly block the payment system, and so that there would not be a show for plebs -banned Sat.RF on football to speak at their own World Cup. And voila!
                    Why are you stubbornly leading people to rebellion and bloodshed? They offer you a normal democratic way out of the situation, and even with good development prospects for all, and most importantly for the country !.
                    Quote: Finches
                    You are an adult!

                    That’s why I’m saying all this. Is there anything to think about? what hi
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 24 December 2017 00: 49 New
                      +2
                      Ok! Sling cutter - as you begin to actively rebel - do not forget to warn - I will call an ambulance! Lenin, in order to make the Revolution, rethought history by writing a huge number of philosophical works, creating a solid theoretical base, and making millions of people believe this, and all that concerns you and your like-minded people is a couple of dozen hospital cases and several clowns on Bolotnaya or Poklonnaya .. Stroporez, are you bored or something to do in this life - do you have everything and everything is good? hi
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 24 December 2017 01: 16 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Finches
                        Sling cutter - as you begin to actively rebel - do not forget to warn - I will call an ambulance!

                        Zaliz, counted as a jump laughing
                        Quote: Finches
                        Are you bored or nothing to do in this life - do you have everything and everything is fine?

                        Yeah, everything is there, children, wife, apartments, car, summer house and mother-in-law’s house, as well as fishing rods, cries, skates and CCM club good fellow
                        I described further events to you, and you write me nonsense ... request
                        Look at the press conference, especially on the words of Boldyrev arr.
                    2. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 01: 04 New
                      +9
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Is there anything to think about?

                      Sling cutterreading your agitation, I can’t get rid of the thought that you ... do not think at all.
                      Moreover, all your fiery matches here are written under the serious "fly", KVM.
                      I will be glad if I am mistaken.
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      And voila!

                      In-in ... negative
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 24 December 2017 01: 44 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Moreover, all your fiery matches here are written under the serious "fly", KVM.

                        Get baptized yes
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        I will be glad if I am mistaken.

                        Rejoice bully
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Sling cutter, reading your agitation, I can not get rid of the thought that you ... do not think at all.

                        And you have no time to catch yourself thinking and even more so to get rid of it, but you also need to troll wassat
                        Listen to the song, catch the thought, like a certain mr. Groping the bottom and good night to you yes


                        the bottom is broken if
                        we call the king of the bandit
                        If everyone is richer here metropolitans
          3. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 23 December 2017 12: 01 New
            15
            By the way, the director of the Lenin state farm, Pavel Grudinin, is non-partisan.
            Support for Grudinin’s candidacy of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation came as a surprise to him "Probably, yes, because there are a lot of worthy candidates in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation," Grudinin told reporters, answering the question whether support for his candidacy by the plenum of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation was a surprise. He thanked the Communist Party for this decision.
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 23 December 2017 10: 54 New
      36
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Zyuganov realized that his chances are very low.

      This is at least one smart step in Zyuganov’s career, you cannot go aside yourself. Zyuganov won’t get so many votes, and you can and should give your vote for Grudinin. hi
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        2. 79807420129
          79807420129 23 December 2017 11: 39 New
          12
          Quote: jolly deckhand
          voted for you, and you gave power to Yeltsin.

          Alex! I’m not Zyuganov, no one voted for me and I didn’t give any power to the alkanoid, but dad Zyug could prepare a million such as P. Grudinin while he was sitting in thoughts and parties, no, his feeder suited, so did Zhirik, give him God is of course healthy and long years of life, but we are all mortal and at one point Volfych will nevertheless go to court with God, and after that they won’t even remember LDPR. Yes, the Communist Party also faces the same thing. hi
          1. jolly deckhand
            jolly deckhand 23 December 2017 11: 45 New
            +7
            So what am I talking about, damn it ... hi About the same thing, just in different words ... smile hi
          2. Esoteric
            Esoteric 24 December 2017 04: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: 79807420129
            ... after that, they won’t even remember about the LDPR. Yes, the Communist Party also faces the same thing. hi

            Did you remember this based on the evolution of pro-government parties and associations? belay
            Our home is Russia ... Unity ... United Russia ... ONF ...laughing wassat
      2. papas-57
        papas-57 23 December 2017 13: 10 New
        +5
        Most likely, Zu himself did not step aside, but his party members pushed aside and explained that his time was over. And in the absence of a normal candidate, in order to avoid shame, they warmed Grudinin. So to speak, they rented it. Win - the glory of the Communist Party, lose - but he is not a communist.
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 24 December 2017 04: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: papas-57
          Most likely, Zu himself did not step aside ...

          Most likely Pu cannot leave the stage so quickly - there is no replacement ... request Who and under what program (will you post Putin's program for review, so that in addition to general words there are concrete directions) will stand in his place? We’ve reached an impasse, managed it, so stand and streamline ... comprehend ... There are more people in Russia than sweet-living oligarchs, their mobs and the authorities serving them ...
          Have you even sacrificed the flag of the country and the anthem for the money and profits that will be unfastened at the Olympics and now we are singing a loud song about the main thing? You sing it yourself - listen ...
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 23 December 2017 14: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: 79807420129
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        Zyuganov realized that his chances are very low.

        This is at least one smart step in Zyuganov’s career, you cannot go aside yourself. Zyuganov won’t get so many votes, and you can and should give your vote for Grudinin. hi

        It remains to award Zyuganov with the Order and all retire.
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2017 15: 49 New
        +1
        This should be planted at the prime minister's place - for a preliminary assessment of how and what will be done.
    5. freddyk
      freddyk 23 December 2017 10: 56 New
      +2
      And to spare him, he always supported the policy of the Communists.
    6. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 23 December 2017 11: 10 New
      12
      It’s a paradox, but in Russia, with the overwhelming majority of the pro-communist electorate, Putin will be elected again ... The secret is simple ... People believe that maybe Putin will suddenly become a communist, but not that Zyuganov will remember that he is a communist .. And the fact that he put in his place a dark horse does not change his role. There are no programs of action for the corresponding reality in the Communist Party. Statues.
      1. jolly deckhand
        jolly deckhand 23 December 2017 11: 13 New
        11
        No, Oleg ... The secret is ridiculously simple to trick ... wink hi
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 23 December 2017 13: 47 New
          +5
          Why juggle? The administrative resource is huge. Who wants to be a defendant in a criminal case. Putin has no rivals .. Some are insane and opportunists.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 23 December 2017 11: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        It’s a paradox, but in Russia, with the vast majority of the pro-communist electorate, Putin will be elected again ...

        With the vast majority of PATRIOTIC-minded electorates, the patriot Putin will be chosen. Therefore, there is no paradox.
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        The people believe that maybe Putin will suddenly become a communist, but not that Zyuganov will remember that he is a communist.

        Putin for 17 years-did not give, but enjoys the support of the vast majority.
        1. jolly deckhand
          jolly deckhand 23 December 2017 11: 27 New
          21
          Which of the majority?NO ONE for such a life did not vote NEVER with us. am And the Tsar with his retinue will win again ...
          1. Finches
            Finches 23 December 2017 11: 33 New
            +8
            I am for Putin, then and now! In my environment, mainly among former and active servicemen, 90% percent for him, and not because they ordered, but sincerely! And in the country - a very decent figure is pouring out!
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 23 December 2017 12: 03 New
              +5
              Quote: Finches
              I'm for Putinwas then and now! In my environment, mainly among former and active military personnel, 90% percent for him and not because they ordered but sincerely!And in the country - a very decent figure is pouring out!

              What are we talking about! hi
            2. Dr_engie
              Dr_engie 23 December 2017 12: 20 New
              10
              Because you have paid salaries that ordinary employees don’t even dream about and can’t refuse anything in themselves? Living in the provinces and having zp aki in Moscow. Well yes, what is there to complain about.
              1. Finches
                Finches 23 December 2017 13: 11 New
                +7
                Welcome to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation! hi
                1. Suhov
                  Suhov 23 December 2017 15: 15 New
                  11
                  Quote: Finches
                  Welcome to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation!

                  Thanks for the invitation. smile
                  With all the kagal, from infants to the elderly, we are enlisted in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation! wassat
                  But if all citizens of Russia become military personnel, then questions may arise. For example:
                  - what will we eat? (all collective farmers in the Army)
                  - who will have children, future warriors, give birth, raise, treat and teach?
                  - What are we going to fight with sticks and stones? (or do you need someone to develop and provide the RF Armed Forces with weapons, preferably high-quality?)
                  - etc.
                  Yes, the security officials were raised salaries and pensions (bought loyalty, and at a low price), and what other citizens are not people ???
                  "The military and economic power of the state is provided by a simple teacher." (not mine)
                  We have many, and teachers in particular, survive ...
                  hi
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 23 December 2017 15: 23 New
                    +4
                    Teachers now receive a little, but much more worthy than in the 2000s and for the first time a competition appeared at Pedagogical Universities! I agree that problems exist, but believe me, not electing GDP will only deepen and strengthen them, and not vice versa - that’s the matter, even if Grudinin has seven spans on his forehead!
                    1. Suhov
                      Suhov 23 December 2017 15: 41 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Finches
                      Teachers now get a little, but much more worthy than in the 2000s

                      Teachers' salaries are rising.
                      As if.
                      In fact: it grows - according to reports, in fact - no, and given the rise in prices, the real salary will fall.
                      Do you know why?
                      The teacher has a bet and increasing odds:
                      - for education,
                      - experience
                      - qualification level (certification once every five years)
                      - Etc.
                      That is, the teacher receives:
                      Salary = Rate * K1 * K2 * K3 ... KN.
                      The extreme salary increase was as follows.
                      The salary fund of an educational institution has remained the same.
                      They increased the rate, and at the same time, they reduced the multiplying factors by the same amount (the salary fund remained the same).
                      Result:
                      Statistics talks about increasing teachers' salaries (they increased the rate). Bukhgaktera well done, showed an increase in salaries without spending a dime.
                      Teacher how much he received before, he gets so much now, but since the price of goods has increased, the real purchasing power of the money earned has decreased.
                      That’s why I “don’t like” bukhgakters (pah on them wassat ), bankers and efficient managers.
                      hi
                      1. Finches
                        Finches 23 December 2017 15: 53 New
                        +2
                        Changing GDP to anyone - you will not change anything, you need to change the system, and nobody will change the system - then where is the point in changing the President? So, only to show the whole world that, like we have their “democracy” ... It’s another matter that the GDP will more decisively begin to kick the Government to solve internal problems, and it alone solves many problems on the ground, which local bureaucrats should decide, but the whole point is that he doesn’t have much of this power and exchange it for another person now, even the existing stability, which is mainly based on the authority of the President, will collapse and external forces will begin to press us, and internal , seeing the weakness of the power vertical, again as in the 90s they drag the country to pieces ... This is really bad, for Russia - the lack of a worthy alternative to GDP, but it always has been - this is our political tradition ... After Peter I the mess began, after Alexander III Kolya came, after Joseph Vissarionovich - Khrushchev ..., after Brezhnev, we don’t think the same age, Gorbachev came! Has anyone from Russia become better off from all this? No, it didn’t! So why the hell is a goat button accordion? Russia needs time, stability is needed, but in the 24th year, perhaps Grudinin’s time will come! Let it become overgrown with political fat ... To manage Russia is not to steer a collective farm, all the same!
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 23 December 2017 15: 53 New
                    +5
                    And other citizens - which ones, most of the population work for private owners - the state will not raise their salaries.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 23 December 2017 11: 45 New
            +7
            Quote: jolly deckhand
            NOBODY voted for such a life

            belay Do you live badly? Why is it so?
          3. Olgovich
            Olgovich 23 December 2017 12: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: jolly deckhand
            Which of the majority?NO ONE for such a life did not vote NEVER with us. am And the Tsar with his retinue will win again ...

            Vote, consider HONEST (if in doubt), sue (if you do not agree), expose (but with facts). WHO is in the way?!. WHO was killed for this, convicted, etc.? NO ONE!
            But it’s easier to grumble about “cheating” than to do something .... request
        2. asiat_61
          asiat_61 23 December 2017 11: 31 New
          16
          Putin didn’t give a reason for 17 years ..... Donbas, Naibulina, the best banker of all time, Gref, Crimea Sberbank, and much more can be found.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 December 2017 15: 56 New
            0
            This is all nonsense, compared with what was achieved over 17 years in 2000, Russia's GDP was 13 trillion rubles, in 2017 - 92 trillion.
            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 24 December 2017 04: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: Vadim237
              This is all nonsense, compared with what was achieved over 17 years in 2000, Russia's GDP was 13 trillion rubles, in 2017 - 92 trillion.

              And in 1990, the budget of the RSFSR was $ 1, which equals approx. 189 rubles, and in 600 - 000 !!! belay Where is the money, Zin? And how much GDP was spent on public spending and the needs of the population, and how much was deposited in the pockets of the oligarchs and in bank vaults? recourse
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 24 December 2017 11: 35 New
                0
                PPP GDP is now almost 4 trillion dollars. "And in 1990 the budget of the RSFSR was $ 1 billion," which equals approx. 189. Only in 600, the dollar was worth one ruble and the budget, respectively, was 000 billion rubles - plus or minus five percent.
        3. Esoteric
          Esoteric 24 December 2017 04: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          Putin for 17 years-did not give, but enjoys the support of the vast majority.

          So, Russian banks don’t invest our money in production, and they have been making profits for more than a quarter of a century ... On deposits, the percentage is lower than on loans, but they use the support of most depositors, and people carry money ... request
          And in the besieged Leningrad they ate all domestic animals, which does not contradict the existence of animal welfare societies in St. Petersburg today ... belay
          Stand back, let me live without you ... You think that they will choose you - do not strain so much, otherwise you’ll manage it ... lol
      3. freddyk
        freddyk 23 December 2017 11: 24 New
        10
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        People believe that maybe Putin will suddenly become a communist,


        Let's just say that people believed that Putin was a hidden communist. Now the confidence is the opposite. Either they crushed him, or he skillfully disguised himself.
      4. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 23 December 2017 12: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        The secret is simple ... People believe that maybe Putin will suddenly become a communist

        Rather, the people want Putin to defend communist interests with the same enthusiasm.
        Quote: jolly deckhand
        No, Oleg ... The secret is ridiculously simple to trick.

        Well, or the people will rally around the leader in the event of a military conflict at their borders ...
      5. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 23 December 2017 20: 17 New
        +2
        today was the 17th congress of Edro. It also introduced the GDP, and then DAM DAM put forward once again the GDP and all the work of the party order to send the nominee to victory.
        And a little later, the same DAM pleased. That in 2018 the minimum wage and minimum living wage will be equal
        what to talk about next?
    7. NordUral
      NordUral 23 December 2017 11: 51 New
      +6
      Stalin also wanted to use some comrades. So it's up to us. Vote for the fall or for the rise of the country?
    8. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 23 December 2017 12: 45 New
      +9
      It would be great if Grudinin took second place in the elections. I am personally impressed by the fact that from him alone I heard a prediction of why the economy should fall after some recovery at the beginning of the year. And this happened in November, contrary to the predictions of our liberals. Our government thought that now we will suppress inflation, and consumers will go in order to buy, and producers produce. But they did not take into account the fact that during the reign of the liberals the population had seen enough of their tricks and as soon as an extra penny appeared for the population; it began to spend it not on consumption, but put it off for a rainy day due to gloomy forecasts of sanctions and seeing the lack of a clear will of the authorities. Nabiullina cried about this. In short, the solvent population refuses to consume, but production cannot produce. Therefore, the economic revolution has matured. If Grudinin takes second place, then he will show will and fighting qualities. Then he will gain authority and in his free will Putin can appoint Prime Minister. A guarantee of the advancement of his ideas will be the very fact of the occupation of a person from the production of a place of honor in the presidential race. But alas, this will not happen if it will be necessary to hitch, and so - himself
    9. Blombirus
      Blombirus 23 December 2017 13: 03 New
      +4
      Well, what kind of program can a Communist Party nominee have? Yes, everything is the same FACTORY WORKERS, LAND TO PEASANTS, PEOPLE'S PEACE, BREAD HUNGER, DEATH POPPERS! Somewhere, once we heard these mantras. They are ready to promise anything for the sake of satisfying a satisfying meal. And Zhiriputsli and communism, one shobla-obl. Tripi.dony!
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 23 December 2017 17: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: BlombiRus
        Well, what kind of program can a Communist Party nominee have? Yes, everything is the same FACTORY WORKERS, LAND TO PEASANTS, PEOPLE'S PEACE, BREAD HUNGER, DEATH POPPERS! Somewhere, once we heard these mantras. They are ready to promise anything for the sake of satisfying a satisfying meal. And Zhiriputsli and communism, one shobla-obl. Tripi.dony!


        Well, for starters, at least they could listen to a person so that they could write repeat the benefit of the Internet gives such an opportunity hi
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 23 December 2017 21: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: BlombiRus
        Well, what kind of program can a Communist Party nominee have? Yes, everything is the same FACTORY WORKERS, LAND TO PEASANTS, PEOPLE'S PEACE, BREAD HUNGER, DEATH POPPERS! Somewhere, once we heard these mantras. They are ready to promise anything for the sake of satisfying a satisfying meal. And Zhiriputsli and communism, one shobla-obl. Tripi.dony!

        Whose will you be from?
      3. Esoteric
        Esoteric 24 December 2017 04: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: BlombiRus
        Well, what kind of program can a Communist Party nominee have? Yes, everything is the same FACTORY WORKERS, LAND TO PEASANTS, PEOPLE'S PEACE, BREAD HUNGER, DEATH POPPERS! Somewhere, once we heard these mantras. They are ready to promise anything for the sake of satisfying a satisfying meal. And Zhiriputsli and communism, one shobla-obl. Tripi.dony!

        Yes, nothing is worse than the important one ... wassat LAND AND BACKS - OLIGARHAM, WORLD IN TRUMP'S HANDS, RUBLE - DOLLAR DERIVATIVE, BREAD - NOT BY GOST, BUT BY EVERY POP - BY COMING AND MERCEDES, PEOPLE - SHESH WITH PERMANENT OIL AND PARADISE AFTER ... AFTER laughing lol
    10. Blombirus
      Blombirus 23 December 2017 13: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Eh, I feel sorry for Grudinin, a clever guy, at least he says competent things. But in the context of the Communist Party, they simply use it. As the saying goes: you can’t put out a protest-head it! Zyuganov realized that his chances are very low.

      But I don’t feel sorry for the sternum, I feel sorry for the country. When people like this same Grudinin are trying to enter paradise on a communist poker, wait for trouble! Around the see is a scoundrel and a liar.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 24 December 2017 04: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: BlombiRus

        But I don’t feel sorry for the sternum, I feel sorry for the country. When people like this same Grudinin are trying to enter paradise on a communist poker, wait for trouble! Around the see is a scoundrel and a liar.


        But I don’t feel sorry for you ... Are you afraid to live like everyone else? We drove drunk and still can not rake. Do not get it, all you have is not enough. Already backward eating, already the "extra" money in the "partner" debt obligations are invested only in the economy, if only not for people. You need to scour you like an infection ... Remove like rust, like scab ... Parasites of the upper class ...
      2. Blombirus
        Blombirus 24 December 2017 13: 20 New
        +2
        And I put pity on your crocodile. Sorry for yourself, destitute, embittered, from a feeder wiped from a disease, hung over from a hangover, in non-washable trainings, with a ohnarik in uncleaned teeth, hugging the leader’s plaster bust with tears.
    11. RUSS
      RUSS 23 December 2017 14: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Zyuganov realized that his chances are very low.

      This decision of Zyuganov is the most significant in recent years, and indeed for all his activities.
    12. Sergey53
      Sergey53 23 December 2017 19: 21 New
      +1
      And I think he, that is, Zyuganov, was simply asked not to run, it is necessary to attract a new electorate. At the premiere with a new team, WITHOUT A SINGLE LIBERAL in the government.
    13. The brightest
      The brightest 24 December 2017 10: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Zyuganov realized that his chances are very low.

      Zyuganov finally realized that after he passed the won elections, people would no longer support him. She thought that it would be forgotten, but no - they don’t forget that.
  2. tsvetkov1274
    tsvetkov1274 23 December 2017 10: 47 New
    17
    Grudinin at the Premiere !!!!!
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 23 December 2017 11: 18 New
      30
      Quote: tsvetkov1274
      Grudinin at the Premiere !!!!!

      Yeah !!! wassat First at the presidency, then at the premieres ... Then you can again ... belay Like GDP ...
      What the hell are you man here? Do you like Putin Do you have a salary above 100? We don’t, we don’t like Putin, neither he, with his beautiful surname and Vanga’s predictions about Vladimir’s land, nor his “successful” environment ... I especially don’t like his attitude to capitalism, EBN’s house, white flag for the Olympics, unplanned development of the country, lobbying for the interests of oligarchs and banks, attitude to "partners" ...
      1. Finches
        Finches 23 December 2017 11: 38 New
        +9
        You, an adult, but naive - even Grudinin, even Jesus Christ ... you will not have a salary of more than 100000 rubles, and indeed, it will become even less ... Or, as in the 90s, they will stop paying you half a year. However, thank God, there are not very many wrong people in Russia: some support Navalny, some support Zyuganov ... but in fact it says in general that society is politically healthy! In the 24th year, then, if he does not merge, Grudinin, as a candidate, will be the most relevant for the people, and now it is too early.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 23 December 2017 11: 54 New
          20
          I don’t know who is naive. But our society is inert and cowardly. Therefore, for a quarter of a century, we have been fooled and robbing the country. The country needs a patriot president in deed, not in words.
          1. Finches
            Finches 23 December 2017 12: 07 New
            +9
            All the promises that concerned me personally, the GDP data in 2000, have been fulfilled! Who do you think I should vote for?
        2. Esoteric
          Esoteric 23 December 2017 12: 03 New
          22
          .
          Quote: Finches
          You, an adult, but naive - even Grudinin, even Jesus Christ ...

          ... and even Putin ... wassat
          I am an adult, but not naive and not stupid. I will not have a salary of 100, as I am already retired, like my son - a teacher and wife - a nurse. And why should I love a military pensioner? Because his board dealt very well with the pensions of officials (taking into account %% of earnings when calculating pensions and official length of service), judges and prosecutors who did not justify the trust of mayors and governors in contrast to pensions? Bow to his legs, that soon only the blind Chukhonite will not laugh and point a finger at the garbage dump, what has Russia transformed beyond the MKAD? Give Putin time? For what? To introduce a law on the legalization of LGBT communities? Legalized soft drugs? What should I say thank you to him? For foreign policy or for domestic? Thank you (you), Vladimir Vladimirovich, for working since 000, I was not able to go on vacation outside the region myself. Thank you for the New Year's table, which will have mashed potatoes, stewed cabbage with mushrooms and chicken, apple salad, beetroot salad with garlic, juices, some fruit and your New Year's greetings ...
          1. Finches
            Finches 23 December 2017 12: 08 New
            +6
            Vote as you see fit, and I will vote (if I go) as I see fit - that’s the whole story!
            1. Sergey53
              Sergey53 24 December 2017 14: 25 New
              +1
              In general, I think no one persuades anyone, everyone conveys what he considers important and important for himself.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 December 2017 16: 05 New
            +5
            “Because I have not been able to go on vacation outside the region since 1996. Thank you for the New Year table, which will have mashed potatoes, stewed cabbage with mushrooms and chicken, apple salad, beetroot salad with garlic, juices” And you are to blame for this, and not Putin - everyone is the creator of his own happiness.
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 23 December 2017 17: 12 New
              +7
              And you are to blame for this, and not Putin - everyone is the creator of his own happiness.

              why so ?? categorically too ... can you repeat this in the eyes of those who have a pension of 10000, and there are 7400? with experience of 35 years? what sledgehammer forge their happiness? or a child in a kindergarten whose mother is a nurse at three jobs?
            2. Sergey53
              Sergey53 24 December 2017 14: 29 New
              +2
              So our liberals act, everyone forges as much as they can. Some have salaries of 1.5 million per day. And for the majority of the population, 300 rubles a day may not work.
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 December 2017 12: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: Finches
          You, an adult, but naive - even Grudinin, even Jesus Christ ... you will not have a salary of more than 100000 rubles, and indeed, it will become even less ... Or, as in the 90s, they will stop paying you half a year. However, thank God, there are not very many wrong people in Russia: some support Navalny, some support Zyuganov ... but in fact it says in general that society is politically healthy! In the 24th year, then, if he does not merge, Grudinin, as a candidate, will be the most relevant for the people, and now it is too early.

          Well, I agree with everything!
          1. Finches
            Finches 23 December 2017 13: 17 New
            +2
            Olgovich hi Because there is no History, but only the harsh realities of today! laughing
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 23 December 2017 20: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Finches
              Because there is no History, but only the harsh realities of today!

              Because the main thing is RUSSIA! hi
              1. Esoteric
                Esoteric 24 December 2017 04: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                Because the main thing is RUSSIA!

                United Russia ... lol But a single candidate from the left forces does not suit you? Remember how after 1917 you rested ... in 1941 you tried ... belay
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 24 December 2017 11: 05 New
                  0
                  Quote: Esoteric
                  United Russia

                  One and Indivisible, yes!
                  Quote: Esoteric
                  But a single candidate from the left forces does not suit you?

                  Satisfied, quite. Will be able to convince, please!
                  Quote: Esoteric
                  Remember how after 1917 you rested ... in 1941 tried

                  belay
        4. Dr_engie
          Dr_engie 23 December 2017 12: 22 New
          +9
          Seriously? Putin has been ruling for a whole generation. Only life is only worse for most ordinary people.
          1. Rader
            Rader 23 December 2017 13: 15 New
            +4
            Grudinin, even though Jesus Christ ..., you will not have a salary of more than 100000 rubles, and indeed, it will become even less ...

            I do not agree! There is one person ... no ... Messiah !!! BULK !!!
            Elect him and in a year in Russia the average salary will exceed 100000. (And for the dollar they will give five thousand rubles, but it doesn’t matter ...)
            But seriously, my attitude to the re-election of Putin in 2018 is this: In this period, the GDP will not do anything new and uncanny, the situation today will most likely freeze. But what will happen next, or rather, the fate of Russia will depend on whether Volodya understands that he needs to act and not he and his team to act, because they are already completely bogged down in ... uh ... better I will not say what they are mired ...
          2. Finches
            Finches 23 December 2017 13: 16 New
            +2
            Are you seriously? Then you don’t understand much or were born after 1996 laughing
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 December 2017 16: 06 New
            +1
            "Most" - this is probably 20 million out of 147.
        5. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 21: 38 New
          +2
          Zyablitsev, by the way, wanted to talk with you without formalism. Can? However, I’ll write all one. Here we have a dispute with you over a formal approach to the Russian Federation and the people. But tell me, if you are so sure of the formal approach, can Putin compare the rule of, say, 2006-2007 and now? After all, all the formal signs are in place. Enlighten me about your position. Your opinion and comments.
          1. Finches
            Finches 23 December 2017 21: 56 New
            0
            Here I have a lot of dialogues and, in order to objectively answer you, please remind our conversation about formalism! hi
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 22: 07 New
              0
              Well, we're talking about comparing today and the 90s.
              1. Finches
                Finches 23 December 2017 22: 12 New
                +1
                Today is many times better than in the 90s, and this is largely Putin’s merit! Have I answered your question?
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 22: 23 New
                  +2
                  Nah! So you came up against formal signs that supposedly you can’t compare the 80s of the last century and now, then they say there was no Russian Federation and finally Putin did not steer. Let's compare 2007 and 2017. Are the formal signs met? Complied with. As you are responsible for yourself. wink Wrote this? Wrote! So then, my salary was 35 tr. The cost of products was several times lower, the interest on loans was at 18%, the cost of housing was 39900 per square meter. Write what prices are now and the cost of housing and much more?
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 24 December 2017 09: 58 New
                    +2
                    I will repeat once again for you - I live better now than in 2007! For me personally, GDP has fulfilled all its promises, and it is really not correct to compare with the 80s!
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 24 December 2017 15: 06 New
                      +2
                      That is, there is nothing to answer you? The situation in Russia is only getting worse! Open your eyes already! If the military added salaries, this does not mean that everything around was in chocolate!
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 24 December 2017 23: 22 New
                        0
                        Most people think chocolate is medicine, there is education, there is work and everyone has a choice - remember the 90s there: constant power outages, strikes throughout the country, hunger strikes at nuclear plants, months, years of no pay, banditry at every turn, expenses on medicine, defense industry, science, etc. at zero. Now this is not observed in such a mass and this is the merit of the government, no matter how much everyone criticizes it.
                  2. turbris
                    turbris 24 December 2017 11: 45 New
                    0
                    andrej-shironov - well, you personally could have had better lives in 2007, you probably worked harder, sat on the Internet less, did you hear anything about the crisis or did he pass you by the way, but about the sanctions? Is it known to everyone except you that the economy in 2017 has just begun to recover? So who is engaged in formalism here?
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 24 December 2017 15: 08 New
                      +1
                      Voooot crises, sanctions! So maybe Putin and his government are not so much in charge of the country that as soon as the crisis and sanctions, the whole economy flies into tartarracks, and as oil costs a lot of money, it seems like something works! This shows that people in power finally can not steer!
                      1. turbris
                        turbris 24 December 2017 19: 26 New
                        0
                        Quote: andrej-shironov
                        Voooot crises, sanctions! So maybe Putin and his government are not so much in charge of the country that as soon as the crisis and sanctions, the whole economy flies into tartarracks, and as oil costs a lot of money, it seems like something works! This shows that people in power finally can not steer!

                        Is that what you have now? Is not pathos and boltology?
        6. The brightest
          The brightest 24 December 2017 10: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Finches
          Grudinin, as a candidate, will be the most relevant for the people, and now it is too early.

          Then he will already be an old man who would warm his bones in the bathhouse ... One of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR was gerantophilia. And even then, a failure cannot, 2% of degenerates is its maximum. Recently stated, almost land to the peasants ... I say all taxes will be canceled and checked. I directly saw how Khodorkovsky smiled and said: - "But I didn’t pay")))))
  3. q75agent
    q75agent 23 December 2017 10: 47 New
    27
    so and so he was going to vote for the communists, now at least they have a normal candidate
  4. igor1981
    igor1981 23 December 2017 10: 49 New
    26
    Now I’ll definitely go to the polls and vote for Pavel Grudinin.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 23 December 2017 11: 42 New
      +3
      you’re not alone ... the most important thing is that the Kremlin’s “wouldn’t be wounded” ...
      but even if they allow it before the election, the result is absolutely predictable - President Putin ...
      there are no miracles in Russia ... only the case of the “wizard-churov” lives and wins ...
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 23 December 2017 12: 00 New
        14
        How we will go to the polls and how to vote. Of course, it is difficult to hope for victory now, but a good result of our, people's deputy, will give a chance on the road to victory. And, most importantly, peacefully, without coups and blood.
        Mutin can be thankful for not letting Russia break off completely, but one cannot forgive the creation of an even more thieves' system than even in the 90s. With Putin, we will be lost anyway. The country needs change.
        1. kepmor
          kepmor 23 December 2017 12: 14 New
          +3
          millions agree with you ... that's just "celestials from the Forbes list" with the official prosecution and judicial service staff think differently ... just like that "from the trough" they will not back down ...
        2. Finches
          Finches 23 December 2017 15: 25 New
          0
          The country needs time! hi
          1. Romey
            Romey 23 December 2017 21: 18 New
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            The country needs time! hi

            But is 18 years not enough? For me it is so abundant ...
            1. Finches
              Finches 23 December 2017 21: 22 New
              0
              You are sure? Some even cannot command the squad, although they spent 25 years in the army ... and then the country!
              1. Romey
                Romey 23 December 2017 21: 27 New
                +5
                Quote: Finches
                You are sure? Some even cannot command the squad, although they spent 25 years in the army ... and then the country!

                Alas, a colleague, I have not seen a single positive moment in this genotube since 1993. If specifically about GDP, then this is a typical underdevelopment or half-dealing, which did not bring to the end a single good deed, unlike the thin ones. Need to give others a chance ...
                1. Finches
                  Finches 23 December 2017 21: 31 New
                  +2
                  You are not quite right in my opinion ... Here Ukraine has done nothing at all ... But in fact, that Mrs. England went to her life for 200 years mercilessly exploiting half the globe ... For a person - 18 is a lot, for countries - a drop in the bucket! But we did as much as others had to do in a hundred years! And I think you specifically write that nothing has been done ... Moreover, the modern political system does not imply the absolute power of the President - a hired clerk! Nevertheless, it is the GDP with with his charisma and approach, he broke a lot in the system for the good of Russia!
              2. Esoteric
                Esoteric 24 December 2017 05: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                You are sure? Some even cannot command the squad, although they spent 25 years in the army ... and then the country!

                Are you, perhaps the commander is shy? Here some rose to lieutenant colonels, and even did not command a platoon ... belay So, a respected interlocutor in narrow circles, your commander could not even build this squad by rank in 17 years. Tall and tall on the left flank, and pot-bellied, thick and short on the right ... lol Nobody belittles Putin's merits, only his merits are not visible behind a pile of miscalculations and misses, okay? Animals also live in the zoo. Those who are born there think that there is no better place ... If you are trying to protect someone, give reasons other than those that take into account average indicators ... Tell me at least one case of Putin, which he brought to a logical the end. Is there such a thing? Or just May decrees and cunning plans?
                1. turbris
                  turbris 24 December 2017 11: 50 New
                  +1
                  Esoteric - and you listen to the government report for 2017 and a lot will become clear in your brain, for example, the lines in kindergartens are eliminated - this is the smallest of all!
                  1. Romey
                    Romey 25 December 2017 07: 43 New
                    0
                    Well, yes, yes ... The decline in industrial production by 3,5%, and the total income of the banking sector of 850 billion .... This is certainly an improvement. Well, yes. Queues in kindergartens were liquidated for a completely natural reason - another demographic hole.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 23 December 2017 15: 14 New
      10
      Quote: igor1981
      Now I’ll definitely go to the polls and vote for Pavel Grudinin.

      The simplest answer to the verbiage of the Zaputinists, who were horrified to find that for the first time in many years, a strong opposition candidate is going to the polls good
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 December 2017 10: 54 New
    +9
    It is time for Volfovich to think about nominating one of his promising ones (in his understanding). Enough of trolling and intimidating the world. On the other hand, no matter who the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the Liberal Democratic Party nominates, the struggle will go for second place with some less than a dozen percent.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 10: 55 New
      17
      It is time for Putin to think about the same.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 23 December 2017 10: 58 New
        +9
        It’s time for Putin to think about the same

        Judging by your comments on different branches early. Many still want to ditch Russia.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 11: 03 New
          15
          That is, you advise others, and Putin is better / worse? In this, all of you are such advisers: let’s change there and we don’t wink Damaged position, don’t you? Regarding the threat of Russia, I was always amused to study people who think that they are supposedly on guard of Russia, while completely not noticing how it bends.
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 23 December 2017 11: 09 New
            +7
            Firstly, I do not advise, but express my opinion, just as you do. Secondly, today Russia does not bend, no matter how much the West does not want it, or whatever the "liberal-handshake" dreams of. Interestingly, you were probably not born yet in the 90s, or were you in parental care? Then Russia really was bent.
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 11: 25 New
              +6
              Dear Rotmister, you hit the sky with your finger, I’m 46 years old. So even in the 80s I was quite mature. wink Russia began to bend in the era of Brezhnev stagnation. I remember how the same defenders from bending stood guard from unbending, thereby bringing the people to complete exhaustion and contributed to the arrival of Spotted.
              So, if you express an opinion that something is wrong with your opinion wink
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 23 December 2017 11: 52 New
                12
                Quote: andrej-shironov
                I'm already 46 year old

                am So you, one of those who demanded change? And in 20, were jeans considered a dream come true, and in 46, are you dreaming of Paradise?
                Quote: andrej-shironov
                Russia began to bend in the era of Brezhnev stagnation

                laughing laughing laughing You only do not tell anyone else !!!
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 15: 48 New
                  +1
                  smile Phi! That is, there are no arguments, just labeling your opponent? Yeahhh, the position of Putin’s defenders is weak!
              2. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 23 December 2017 13: 20 New
                +4
                Quote: andrej-shironov
                Dear Rotmister, you hit the sky with your finger, I’m 46 years old. So even in the 80s I was completely mature. Russia began to bend in the era of Brezhnev stagnation.

                Come on ... We are peers. In 1987-88, we were 15-16 years old, yeah. And yes, about “decay in an era of stagnation” (as well as about “repressions of a bloody tyrant”) then they didn’t broadcast except from irons. And if the adult population at that time unconditionally believed everything that they were broadcast by the media (three TV channels, radio and newspapers), then what about the boys of 15 years old. Yes, much then, due to age, could not be comprehended, and by inertia it was also believed a lot, according to the "course of the party and people." Yes, some kind of “mosaic” began to take shape a little later, but that was already in those days when “democracy” was sweeping around the country. So, we are all strong with a "back mind", yeah. hi
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 15: 50 New
                  0
                  wink For the knowledge of arithmetic I put five. For everything else, not higher than three. No one claims that we are not strong with a backward mind. But the ability to observe came to me from childhood, which I still remember well from the Brezhnev era.
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 23 December 2017 16: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: andrej-shironov
                    But the ability to observe came to me from childhood, which I still remember well from the Brezhnev era.

                    No one disputes your ability to observe (however, like conceit yes) Another thing is what conclusions are made based on observations. And the Brezhnev era ... everything is the same here, because to this day much is remembered to the smallest detail (from the composition of the Politburo and the international situation to buttons on a school uniform and price tags on a barrel with kvass). hi
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 21: 41 New
                      0
                      Voooot! As my mother says: if only our conceit does not pass into our auto-suggestion! And here I agree with her! I did not pass. It was then that there was a premonition of labeled.
            2. Esoteric
              Esoteric 23 December 2017 12: 13 New
              11
              Quote: rotmistr60
              Interestingly, you were probably not born yet in the 90s, or were you in parental care? Then Russia really was bent.

              Moreover, it is not clear on what basis this is said:

              Brilliant victories? Key stages in the development of Russia? This, it turns out thanks to EBN, we did not turn off the democratic path of development ... wassat
            3. Don
              Don 23 December 2017 12: 23 New
              +7
              But you don’t think that people not only lived in the 90's, but also found some in the 80's and 70's and they have something to compare with. And some stupid people in general also know the story well. But your view, of course, is undoubtedly fairer, because you saw what happened in the 90's and, all the more, they tell you the truth about the current situation in the country, but for some reason I have no doubt that you are well versed in everything and you cannot be mistaken and mistaken, unlike us. Then yes, come on, teach us fools, life, gurus. We are counting on you very much.
              23.12.2017 Signature: stupid citizens of Russia
              1. rotmistr60
                rotmistr60 23 December 2017 12: 32 New
                +5
                you saw what happened in the 90s, and even more so for you according to the zombie man

                Dear, I captured N.S. Khrushchev, in the early 70's I studied at the highest command, so I remember everything and moreover. And really there is something to compare. At least jeans for homeland did not spit.
                1. Esoteric
                  Esoteric 24 December 2017 05: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: rotmistr60
                  At least jeans for homeland did not spit.

                  Why are you bringing this to us? Remind me of a white flag or what? You are not the only one in the seventies in the highest command ... and we read newspapers in the sixties and listened to the radio ... even in the store we bought flour by coupons ... Then, at the HMS and EBN, we were reminded that we should not live like that ...
                  1. rotmistr60
                    rotmistr60 24 December 2017 07: 15 New
                    +1
                    What are you here for us bring it?

                    You actually read the comments that are higher before you rush "on the fly."
                    Example:
                    you saw what happened in the 90s and especially to you they tell the truth according to the zombie man about the current situation in the country
                    What you read in the 60s is commendable. But before attacking someone, I advise you to first understand the situation (at least read the comments).
            4. Sergey53
              Sergey53 24 December 2017 15: 08 New
              +2
              In fact, the dispute you have is mainly due to work, more precisely about the lack of our work, although by and large it is not ours but pro-American to the marrow of the bones, the government. In this regard, nothing has been done at all. If you do not count handouts in the form of 4%. Do they detach their clan about 40% to their salary? All their fault is their hatred of everything Russian and servility to the staff. You all saw the videos as our prime minister enjoys accepting handouts in the form of iPads or iPhones. You turned his eyes to him. I have not seen such servility anymore. And what was his reaction when he was presented with our Getafon-2? No more comment needed? Putin’s fault is that he did nothing to change this situation. He did not even take anything to comply with his May decrees by the government. In the 5 years since their promulgation, only the creation of commissions to determine development has been completed., Or about 5-10% of what should have been executed in its decrees.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 December 2017 16: 08 New
            0
            Russia is bent only in fantasies - when compared with the 90s.
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 21: 42 New
              +4
              Compare with weak and failed flawed position! Not for men, don’t find it!
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 23 December 2017 23: 09 New
                0
                So just in the 90s, Russia was weak and failed - now another thing.
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 24 December 2017 15: 12 New
                  0
                  So I say: to compare with the 90s and Ukraine is not worthy of real men! It is necessary to compare with the 80s and, say, Germany. wink You by such comparisons completely discredit Putin and the government.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 24 December 2017 23: 28 New
                    0
                    It makes no sense to compare with Germany - if we had such a small territory - everything would be the same as there, including substantial taxes for everyone. Like it or not, and the Russian economy is the sixth in the world.
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 25 December 2017 20: 24 New
                      0
                      Well, let's compare with the USA, Canada, China at last! Vadim, you understand the concept of the sixth economy for the layman, I apologize for my poor English, neither to the star nor to the Red Army. To the inhabitant, I relate myself to them as well, other parameters are more important. For example, food prices, the availability of mortgages, the availability of healthcare, the availability of jobs, the level of salaries, the protection of motherhood and childhood, etc.
                      For all these parameters, at this stage, failure, at least where I live. And I do not think that my place of residence is not like the others.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 23 December 2017 12: 02 New
          +7
          Why only ditch? Wrong look. Grudinin of those who are able to revive the country. And he is not alone.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 December 2017 16: 13 New
            +3
            "Grudinin of those who are able to revive the country." - To govern the country, not to "twist" the state farm
        3. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 16: 55 New
          10
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Judging by your comments on various branches ...

          Yes, people stupidly troll ... do not get fooled stop
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 21: 43 New
            +3
            Yes, we are not fooled by you. Come out.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 21: 53 New
              +8
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              Yes, we are not fooled by you. Come out.

              It was not said to you, but you climb to answer ...
              You go on, go on ... the young man laughing
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              I'm already 46 years old.

              And there you go, arguing with elders ... not good ... No.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 22: 01 New
                +2
                Senior is not a smart synonym! Often the opposite.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 22: 04 New
                  +8
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Senior is not a smart synonym

                  This is true. But this is not your case with me. No luck ... you wink
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Often the opposite

                  Are you hinting at senility? It’s too early for me, I’m only older than you.
                  But I’ll say for sure - the one that I saw with my eyes and felt with my hands, you didn’t even read in books request
      2. freddyk
        freddyk 23 December 2017 11: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        It is time for Putin to think about the same.

        After the election, think about it. If there is even a drop of conscience in him.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 11: 25 New
          12
          laughing It’s funny. You believe?
          1. freddyk
            freddyk 23 December 2017 11: 49 New
            16
            Quote: andrej-shironov
            laughing It’s funny. You believe?


            In Putin? No longer. But how it all began. "The Greatest Tragedy of the Century", "Watering the Toilet", "Patriotism as a National Idea" and so on.
        2. kepmor
          kepmor 23 December 2017 11: 51 New
          +4
          if Grudinin is allowed before the election, then we can assume that ALREADY thought about how to live on ...
    2. dvvv
      dvvv 23 December 2017 11: 55 New
      +4
      Zhiriku on the role of the clown successor is not found. clowns are born)
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 23 December 2017 12: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is time for Volfovich to think about nominating one of his promising ones (in his understanding). Enough of trolling and intimidating the world.

      But damn it, "someone has to work as a monster." yes
  6. Romanych.by
    Romanych.by 23 December 2017 10: 55 New
    +3
    Zyuganov is no longer the same). But seriously, in our time the role of the “gray cardinal” may be better than the media one. Although I do not believe in the victory of the Communist Party, with all due respect.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 23 December 2017 12: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Romanych.by
      ... in our time, the role of the "gray cardinal" ...

      Production growth of 0,6% is due to gray Shokhin? Chubais? Kudrin? Rotenberg? Sechin? Miller? Manturov? ... belay Not really the lady? laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2017 16: 13 New
        +1
        1,6% growth for the year
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 23 December 2017 17: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          1,6% growth for the year


          I would like to believe, but the statistics are crafty, everything is not so simple ... here only in November the biggest decline in production over the past 8 years ... hi
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 December 2017 11: 38 New
            +1
            The largest increase in industrial production this year is in the Jewish Autonomous Region of 54%.
  7. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 23 December 2017 11: 00 New
    13
    And I will go, but I will vote for Putin. But to appoint Grudinin as Minister of Agriculture, let him try to work in his own direction.
    1. dvvv
      dvvv 23 December 2017 11: 57 New
      +5
      and then all the financial flows as flowed away and flow away ... To oil and gas we add the income from grub and still take it to offshore with the same result. Vote Fedya, vote
    2. freddyk
      freddyk 23 December 2017 12: 08 New
      +9
      Quote: ul_vitalii
      But to appoint Grudinin as Minister of Agriculture, let him try to work in his own direction.

      Ha, yes, his system will break, and then the GDP will tell us, which was what we needed to prove. It is necessary to break the system, and not to integrate into it.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 23 December 2017 17: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: freddyk
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        But to appoint Grudinin as Minister of Agriculture, let him try to work in his own direction.

        Ha, yes, his system will break, and then the GDP will tell us, which was what we needed to prove. It is necessary to break the system, and not to integrate into it.


        so Grudinin himself said this - if the team remains, then there is no sense in his premiership! "Either the president himself is dealing with them, or he will give the command to the prime minister!" request
    3. Esoteric
      Esoteric 23 December 2017 12: 21 New
      13
      And I’ll go to vote for Grudinin ... Let him appoint Putin as Minister of Foreign Affairs, since he has such a pleasantness in communicating with foreign leaders ... And he will remove the entire economic block in the government ... The driven ministers ... no need to feed at the national expense ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2017 16: 23 New
        +1
        Only here the salaries and living standards will not increase, the roads were as broken as they will be, country officials, as they took bribes and lounged, so will the prosecutor's office, the courts and the police both covered banditry and will continue to be cut illegally forests will continue to continue - all in one way, the fear of responsibility has disappeared from most of the people.
      2. Romey
        Romey 23 December 2017 21: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: Esoteric
        And I’ll go to vote for Grudinin ... Let him appoint Putin as Minister of Foreign Affairs, since he has such a pleasantness in communicating with foreign leaders ... And he will remove the entire economic block in the government ... The driven ministers ... no need to feed at the national expense ...

        A colleague sacred only as a permanent representative to New York. There you can talk beautifully and partners are always close by ...
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 23 December 2017 11: 00 New
    +7
    We will wait for his election program, see what he will promise, but I well remember one such man from Stavropol, the collective farmer who sold and killed the USSR!
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 23 December 2017 11: 11 New
      10
      Quote: Herkulesich
      let's see what he will promise

      wink
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 23 December 2017 12: 04 New
      15
      The labeled one was not a collective farmer (do not insult rural people), but a court slime.
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 December 2017 15: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Let's wait for his election program

      Have you ever seen a PVV program for 18?
  9. Serg65
    Serg65 23 December 2017 11: 02 New
    +8
    They will support Grudinin and not let him “get lost” somewhere.

    what Again “our hearts demand change”?
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 23 December 2017 11: 05 New
      +5
      Seryoga, hello! hi The amount does not change from a change in the terms of the terms. wink
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 23 December 2017 11: 09 New
        +7
        hi Приветствуем!
        Quote: Jedi
        The amount does not change from a change in the places of the terms

        Yes, how to say. Max!
        from the 85th to the 92nd they demanded change and freedom and that in total received recourse ?
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 23 December 2017 11: 18 New
          +7
          I meant that the election results will not change because the Communist Party instead of Zyu Grudinin expose. yes
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 23 December 2017 11: 21 New
            +8
            Quote: Jedi
            I meant that the election results will not change

            laughing Well, at least somewhere stability !!!!
        2. sapporo1959
          sapporo1959 23 December 2017 12: 21 New
          +1
          Well, in total, they received our beloved leader, Comrade Putin. And he will give the dog, and he will give an order to issue a salary, or even a phone with a computer will give an order ...
      2. SNEAKY
        SNEAKY 23 December 2017 11: 27 New
        +9
        I don’t want to draw parallels, but somehow we have already chosen in Belarus the chairman of the collective farm and the “owner’s crap hack” with similar views. This is about famous cooks. I don’t wish the Russians such “happiness”.
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 26 December 2017 05: 50 New
          0
          And if they didn’t choose the Old Man, they would have bent earlier from the races as in ukroreich.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 23 December 2017 12: 05 New
      0
      They require only prudent and thoughtful.
  10. DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 23 December 2017 11: 02 New
    +5
    For Grudinin! Well, let Zhirinovsky frolic, all the more fun ..
  11. AKC
    AKC 23 December 2017 11: 06 New
    +4
    if there is a collective farm chairman at the head of Russia, then the situation will be like that of a bus driver in Venezuela !!!
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 23 December 2017 11: 39 New
      14
      This Director of the farm, you can touch the fruits of labor with your hands.
    2. dvvv
      dvvv 23 December 2017 11: 58 New
      0
      maybe in Poland?
    3. kepmor
      kepmor 23 December 2017 12: 00 New
      13
      Joseph Vissarionovich was not even the chairman of the state farm ... the theological seminary was not finished either ... and nothing ... managed ...
      ... with the same success we can say differently ...
      ... if the previous oligarch-liberal course of the authorities continues, then you should not expect improvements at all ...
    4. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 December 2017 12: 01 New
      18
      Well, of course, the slurred errand boy and the suitcase dragger behind Sobchak, who received support from Chubais and Berezovsky, is the only right choice for Russia. She does not deserve the best.
    5. NordUral
      NordUral 23 December 2017 12: 06 New
      +5
      The union was led by a failed priest. Under him, the country became a superpower.
    6. Esoteric
      Esoteric 23 December 2017 12: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: AKC
      if there is a collective farm chairman at the head of Russia ...

      then it will be no worse than when the head of Russia was a combiner, an Obkomov lover of thumping, a lieutenant colonel - the head of the House of Officers or someone who is from the school of Roman law teachers ... tongue

      Quote: asiat_61
      This Director of the farm, you can touch the fruits of labor with your hands.

      I was surprised ... Touch my hands ... Danuna !!! belay The fruits of the work of the head of BS can be seen in the Forbes rating, see in scandalous news, or on the set from a quadrocopter ... wassat
  12. Masya masya
    Masya masya 23 December 2017 11: 08 New
    11
    Zu really looks at things, he will not be able to pull for a long time ... and with Grudinin, the bribes are smooth, it will not work, who will condemn? tried ...
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 23 December 2017 11: 17 New
      +8
      Quote: Masya Masya
      and with Grudinin, bribes are smooth, it will not work, who will condemn? tried ...

      laughing I agree, Sue is an old nomenclature scum! Marina, to the very point love . At the same time, Grudin rushes like a young bull-calf on a red rag! "If I will be president .." laughing good
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 23 December 2017 11: 29 New
        +8
        Quote: Serg65
        At the same time, Grudin rushes like a young bull-calf on a red rag! "If I will be president .."

        If I were a general, -
        Money would be in bulk
        I would wear pants with stripes ...
        And then - "have mercy - hello" -
        On a battered "gupvahta"
        I wouldn’t be sitting for five days now.
        Zampolita with the commander
        Sergeant with a full snout,
        I would immediately planted there.
        Well, the cook is a plague,
        All his baland at once,
        Wow With what a thrill fed!
        From the "dreams" of such shine as a polished nickel,
        Eh! .. It’s a pity, the minister, I believe, will not understand me in any way. wink
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 23 December 2017 11: 36 New
          +8
          Quote: Masya Masya
          If I were a general,

          laughing good
          What a minx you repeat
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 23 December 2017 11: 42 New
            +8
            Quote: Serg65
            What a minx you

            not without it... repeat
            love
  13. Tusv
    Tusv 23 December 2017 11: 14 New
    +1
    Not. I am for the legalization of the mat and for imperial traditions. Putin’s habits are complete, so In Mother and Stepmother, saved billions of people's money in the treasury. Well, on a radar 20 km from the border already fly. Well, not to the village to the city, to slop this and all business
    1. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 23 December 2017 12: 27 New
      +1
      Yes, even a meter let them fly.
      And you just have to play war games.
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 23 December 2017 11: 23 New
    +1
    Zyuganov outlined his position ... to steer by the wrong hands and not any responsibility.
    1. dvvv
      dvvv 23 December 2017 12: 00 New
      +8
      there is nothing new, but who steers the great Pu and where do his hands go?
  15. q75agent
    q75agent 23 December 2017 11: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Esoteric
    Quote: tsvetkov1274
    Grudinin at the Premiere !!!!!

    Yeah !!! wassat First at the presidency, then at the premieres ... Then you can again ... belay Like GDP ...
    What the hell are you man here? Do you like Putin Do you have a salary above 100? We don’t, we don’t like Putin, neither he, with his beautiful surname and Vanga’s predictions about Vladimir’s land, nor his “successful” environment ... I especially don’t like his attitude to capitalism, EBN’s house, white flag for the Olympics, unplanned development of the country, lobbying for the interests of oligarchs and banks, attitude to "partners" ...

    good
  16. cannabis
    cannabis 23 December 2017 11: 44 New
    +1
    Choosing a profession, president and cologne is like choosing a wife - first you choose, and then it turns out that there is better.
  17. Stas
    Stas 23 December 2017 11: 48 New
    18
    Well, fine. I will vote for a worthy person and business executive - Grudinin.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 23 December 2017 12: 12 New
      11
      The main thing for us is for the majority to understand that it is necessary to vote. And think for whom. And something tells me that it’s not for such a president whose prime minister is Dimon and the minister for sports is Mutko.
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 23 December 2017 13: 18 New
        12
        Quote: NordUral
        The main thing for us is for the majority to understand that it is necessary to vote. And think for whom. And something tells me that it’s not for such a president whose prime minister is Dimon and the minister for sports is Mutko.

        I’m just looking through the comments, I’m looking for someone who will remember about the WTO ... I’m for Grudinin. For 6 years, I do not want to endure Medvedev, Nabiulina, Sechin, Dvorkovich, Chubais and all the decayed EP. It will only get worse.
  18. Greenwood
    Greenwood 23 December 2017 11: 58 New
    18
    I am glad, really glad that Zyuganov found the strength in himself to abandon this long-standing clowning and to promote a worthy person instead. I will vote for Grudinin.
  19. Brushing
    Brushing 23 December 2017 11: 59 New
    19
    Zadornova listen to a dying interview-the Communist Party is the only party that has a program !!! Zyu is an empty exhaust, and Grudinin is a personality, we do not have enough of this at the Top !!! I didn’t want to go to the polls, but now I’ll go - for Grudinin !!!
    If it’s all the Kremlin’s invented, then Navalny and Ksenia are no longer needed, and turnout will increase ...))))
  20. Brushing
    Brushing 23 December 2017 12: 02 New
    +9
    Quote: SNEAKY
    I don’t want to draw parallels, but somehow we have already chosen in Belarus the chairman of the collective farm and the “owner’s crap hack” with similar views. This is about famous cooks. I don’t wish the Russians such “happiness”.


    Byalorus - you are a disgrace to Belarus !!! You should pray to the Old Man only because you have no guest workers !!! That would come to you Milenov five Tajik-Uzbek-Kyrgyz ... and all .... wassat
  21. dvvv
    dvvv 23 December 2017 12: 07 New
    10
    Many 18 years or few? Singapore having only the ocean coast from natural resources for 20 years has become unrecognizable and crime and drugs have sailed away from there forever. For 18 years, Russia has put things in order ... and stability. Since 2008, the oil industry has fallen so steadily and the economy is going down, and to put things in order, they planted, temporarily, before the election, Ulyukaev with poor health from under-drunk collection wine. Chubais, Kudrin, Nabibulin and other gang continue to steer. Do the same and get the same result.
  22. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 23 December 2017 12: 07 New
    +3
    Great country - a strong and wise leader!


  23. Altona
    Altona 23 December 2017 12: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    This is yes. The modern Communist Party took everything bad from the CPSU of the Brezhnev era.

    -------------------------
    What exactly? Help Donbass, pioneer and sports youth movement? Channel "Red Line" and outreach?
  24. Altona
    Altona 23 December 2017 12: 15 New
    11
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    I do not care about the Communist Party program-a set of impossible wishes

    --------------------------------
    What is so impossible? Everything is real there quite and does not require large expenditures. Of course, it is better to support the Western economy by sending hydrocarbons there, and then the money received for these hydrocarbons. It’s better to overturn your population and take away jobs from it. It's much better. At the same time listen on TV as they once again humiliated us.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 21: 46 New
      0
      Everything has already been written above in the branches, read, e count for work.
  25. freddyk
    freddyk 23 December 2017 12: 23 New
    +3
    A little off topic, but smiled
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 23 December 2017 17: 54 New
      0
      If you run without paraphernalia, they can hang.
  26. turbris
    turbris 23 December 2017 12: 28 New
    +1
    Again, the Communists withdrew from participating in the elections by nominating the non-partisan Grudinin, but they are at least experimenting, and the LDPR confirms the party’s title of one person.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 December 2017 12: 40 New
      10
      They just chose a decent one. And they did it right. Zyuganov, with all due respect to him, was really tired of these 20 years and has no chance.
      1. turbris
        turbris 24 December 2017 11: 53 New
        0
        Greenwood - I also think that this is the right move! Now I wonder how many votes Grudinin will get, more Zyuganov in the last election or not?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 24 December 2017 14: 21 New
          +2
          Honestly, I see no reason to guess. I am sure that he will gain more than Zyuganov, because firstly Zyuganov was fed up with the 90s, secondly, a new person in this bunch, thirdly, he is followed by the authority of a strong business executive and a prosperous enterprise. But I would have scored more than Putin, it would have been a holiday. fellow
    2. Graz
      Graz 23 December 2017 13: 08 New
      0
      LDPR Slutsky also has a rather charismatic leader, I think he will replace Zhirinovsky, a smart man
      1. turbris
        turbris 24 December 2017 11: 55 New
        0
        Graz - Zhirinovsky will never leave! He is immortal and inimitable!
  27. Mu Dialer
    Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 12: 31 New
    0
    The evening ceases to be languid :-)
    By the way, I eat cheese of his state farm, tasteless ... "Russian", 390 rubles per kg., "Pyaterochka", Moscow.
    1. freddyk
      freddyk 23 December 2017 12: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: Mu Diazwon
      By the way, I’m eating the cheese of his state farm, tasteless


      Eat and cry, cry and eat laughing
      1. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 13: 18 New
        0
        It is very cheap for cheese, a penny.
        I spend 2-3 times more per day on alcohol (except for jokes).
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 23 December 2017 18: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: Mu Diazwon
      By the way, I’m eating the cheese of his state farm, tasteless

      Wow ... Without a flavor enhancer, now any normal food seems bland.
  28. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 23 December 2017 12: 38 New
    +2
    Instead, Zyuganov will reportedly head the High Council of People's Patriotic Forces, which will also become the campaign headquarters of Pavel Grudinin, director of the prosperous Lenin state farm near Moscow.

    it’s easy to become prosperous when you lease land near MKAD shopping center ... there you will become a millionaire with one lease and you will grow strawberries as a hobby
  29. q75agent
    q75agent 23 December 2017 12: 47 New
    +7
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    In our country, elections are much more democratic and honest than in the West. It's time to admit it! And merit in this, just Putin!

    yeah storyteller you are ours laughing I personally saw how they honestly go after the polling station closes at 20 00 ... so do not be here .....
  30. askort154
    askort154 23 December 2017 12: 59 New
    +4
    Guys! hi No need to turn this site into another talk show.
    I, in the circle of my “colleagues”, who traditionally gather 4 times a year (in a sauna or in nature), set a task, not a word about politics. I have the same motto on family holidays. Each person has his right to religion and to the vision of life positions. Do not turn them into squabbles. Elections are a chance to show your position. If you want to express your position, go and vote in silence! The main thing is not to become in a pose - "my hut is on the edge", or - "everything has already been decided there." yes hi
  31. Graz
    Graz 23 December 2017 13: 07 New
    +1
    Grudinin, a normal man, watched several programs with his participation, explains everything intelligibly on agricultural
    such must be moved up, I don’t know why would he not have to lead any city, then the region.
  32. Romin
    Romin 23 December 2017 13: 07 New
    15
    In fact, to date, the presidential candidate Grudinin is the only adequate opponent to the presidential candidate Putin. This completely became clear after a total sweep of the political space around Putin’s figure and the nomination of goblins Navalny and Sobchak, as well as grandfather Zhirinovsky, as candidates. If Grandfather Zyuganov was nominated from the patriotic flank, the People would have quite reasonably the only adequate candidate who could at least somehow consolidate the society, and that would be Vladimir Putin.
    And no matter how we relate to Zyuganov, I believe that this is the second most important “correct” and considered example of that rational and evolutionary movement in the development of the political system and society in Russia. The first example is the nomination of V.V. Putin by Yeltsin.
    Judging by the numerous comments, many did not understand this! Finally, it came to the realization that you do not have to cling to power before the "removal" of the body.
    Many here rightly blame the amers for their exclusivity, but do not notice the cultivated "exclusivity" and "non-replaceability" of some leaders! I understand you and have the same fears that Putin will not be here and the 90s will come. But at the same time, common sense tells me that the state system tied to one person is harmful at the root, because if everything doesn’t collapse, and without his manual intervention, many issues cannot be resolved — an example is the conflict between Rosneft and the AFC system, which Putin recently resolved.
    And everyone and everything is driven by fear, and it is precisely the fear of loss of unity of command and sliding into chaos. And how do you know the fear-safety basis in human psychology (Maslow's pyramid). And only with adequate security will the rest of the processes work.
    Here we are with you and we are in this trap of fear of the arrival of chaos and UNKNOWN after the departure of Vladimir Putin!
    And this is a system that operates in our country, harmful to its development and society!
    Yes, we have a difficult story, and it is stitched in our genes, Prince-KING - Gen. Sec. , everything was imprisoned under autocracy and plan B and protection against the fool were not thought out in the system! The final example is the collapse of the USSR by Gorbachev and the powerlessness of the system and society before Yeltsin!
    With all due respect, V.V. Putin did not begin to develop the state system, to make it more autonomous from unified rule and complete. And this is a fact - the system of state power is now bad!
    But this does not mean that it must be destroyed. The state system must be developed on the basis that Vladimir Putin has already created, but could not or did not want to develop!
    And the very obvious, confirming fact - could not or did not want to - is that Vladimir Putin nominated for the presidential election in 2018.
    Vladimir Putin - as a systemic statesman, he had to prepare and present to society several of his candidates for the 2018 elections and remain for the first term as an adviser chosen by the people of the people! To provide society with “protection from the fear of change”!
    Vladimir Putin did not do this! And the age after the 3rd term will be already grandfather and believe medicine and nature;) the brain will not be sharper and “fresher” from this, and no one is immune from diseases!
    So we have what we have! Vladimir Putin made a mistake.
    About Grudinin I will learn and analyze him and his actions and decisions.
    But I clearly understand that my vote in this election will not be for candidate V.V. Putin.
    At the same time, I clearly and reasonably understand that the probability of victory of V.V. Putin in the elections is -99,99%.
    My voice and the voices of many who are not indifferent to the development of the state of Russia, who think and analyze, do not vote for Vladimir Putin, thereby showing that it is necessary to develop the state system and move away from the oligarchic-liberal system!
  33. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 23 December 2017 13: 13 New
    +4
    No Grudinin, even if he was 1000 times Grudinin, could legally constitutionally move not only the leader, but even his assistant D.A. Medvedev could not replace the head of government. It was not for this that they usurped power to share it. so, ANY candidate, with the exception of Comrade "First", is a decorative figure for observing democratic procedures and legitimizing the existing government at a new historical stage.
    Therefore, I do not see much point in discussing the candidacy of Comrade Gru instead of Comrade Zu ...
    Even when we appointed Locum Tenens Medvedev to the presidency, we passed the point of no return when the elections lose all meaning. So, to reign in Borisov’s nests further, unless Russia suddenly rears up and wants to throw the rider. But I don’t want about such a future to think as a simple layman and ordinary patriot of his country. But as a thinker who knows the immutability of historical laws, I am very alarmed by our so-called stability and 84% "For!".
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 December 2017 16: 32 New
      0
      "Russia suddenly does not stand on its hind legs and does not want to throw the horseman" - This will not happen anymore, no one and no time.
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 24 December 2017 05: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      But I don’t want to think about such a future as a simple layman and ordinary patriot of my country.

      Then do not stir up the water and do not agitate the people for voluntary surrender. We will vote, and then we'll see who gets what. I won’t speak for Moscow, it’s the power paid by the electorate. How come !!! fellow They threw themselves under the tanks ... I don’t remember the truth under which ... That the EBN went to clean up or shoot at the Government House ... request
  34. polpot
    polpot 23 December 2017 13: 37 New
    +3
    In the Kremlin’s big top another clown, a millionaire - a communist, this is ridiculous, you can send Abramovich to the elections will be a billionaire-Leninist
    1. rotor
      rotor 23 December 2017 14: 09 New
      +3
      Indeed, Abramovich is not worse than Grudinin a candidate, both became rich in privatization.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 24 December 2017 05: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: rotor
        Indeed, Abramovich is no worse

        You won’t get a word out of your Abramovich. He, like a dog, understands that he stole at the time, but as he managed, he does not want to share ... lol Therefore, it does not live in Russia ...
  35. Varyag77
    Varyag77 23 December 2017 13: 39 New
    +5
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    Eh, I feel sorry for Grudinin, a clever guy, at least he says competent things. But in the context of the Communist Party, they simply use it. As the saying goes: you can’t put out a protest-head it! Zyuganov realized that his chances are very low.

    liked about Grudinin. Thesis is so. (taken from neta, but quite clearly, so I'll throw it off for comprehension)
    1. In the recent past, a member of United Russia. Former deputy of the Moscow Region Duma from Edra. A very faithful, ardent and ideological member of Edra (they are all ardent and ideological there).

    2. But in the summer of 2010, a career in Edra did not work out, and he is trying to transfer to the LDPR to Zhirinovsky.

    3. The Liberal Democratic Party did not grow together - it doesn’t matter, he ran to the Communist Party and the NPSR, enrolled in great patriots.

    Regarding the "people's enterprise" and the "saved state farm."

    The company is called - not just a state farm named after Lenin, but CJSC "state farm named after Lenin." Is the difference clear? The word "state farm" here is just a brand, an ideology that does not carry a semantic load. In form of ownership, this is not a state farm, but an ordinary ZAO, in other words, a capitalist private enterprise. That is, Grudinin is in its purest form the capitalist and director of the capitalist enterprise. To nominate a capitalist from the Communist Party? Oh well.

    Moreover, it is an “ical capitalist” and a national state farmer, taking advantage of the advantageous location of “his” land within the swollen Moscow, he is engaged in a very famous and profitable business - he is transferring agricultural land for development with subsequent operation of office premises. Yeah, the guardian of the Russian land!

    In addition to all this, in 2010 employees of the Federal Migration Service in Moscow and the region burned illegal Asian brothers on the territory of the company.
    As a result, we have: the most ordinary capitalist, like any other capitalist, striving to minimize labor costs. And therefore, importing illegal foreigners who not only settle on our land and slowly settle it, not only increase the level of crime, including grave and especially grave crimes, but also take away jobs from Russian rural residents.
    Here is such a "patriotic" and "village lifter" who cares for Russian interests.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 December 2017 14: 25 New
      +7
      It is ridiculous to read from the adherents of the six Sobchak and a member of the cooperative "Lake", and at the same time the person involved in the criminal case №144128.
      In total, on personal instructions from the mayor of St. Petersburg, Sobchak and his deputies Putin, Kudrin (now deputy finance minister of the Russian Federation), Manevich (shot dead by a killer in 98), the Twentieth Trust received soft loans and loans worth more than 23 billion rubles. In fact, about 1 billion rubles were spent on the needs of the city under state orders - the auditors came to such a disappointing conclusion. The remaining budget funds were partially spent on the purchase of real estate for high-ranking St. Petersburg officials both in Russia and abroad, partly simply stolen (St. Petersburg and Moscow operatives came to this conclusion, instituting criminal proceedings against the Twentieth Trust).
      Details: https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2000/03/23/9
      417-delo-putina
      1. Varyag77
        Varyag77 23 December 2017 14: 40 New
        +2
        I do not know who this person is and what kind of tooth he has on this character.
        In essence, can you refute these facts? Or is it from the category of Caesar’s wife?
        It’s obvious to me that Mr. Grudinin is a market designer. That the enterprise led by him cannot be called "communist". So, in fact, why are all the Communists on the site already drooling about it? The Messiah they found. From the new vasyuki.
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 24 December 2017 15: 46 New
      0
      Varangian77 gave a good description of Grudinin. This is the kind of entrepreneur-business executive we need.
  36. cedar
    cedar 23 December 2017 13: 42 New
    +3
    According to Article 3 of the Constitution, the multinational people of the Russian Federation is the only source of power.
    I believe that Grudinin is good for everyone, as the chairman of a collective farm, but in a hybrid war against Russia, the scale of financial management is not the same. And as he says, the multi-billionaire and the king of Saudi Arabia, Salman, who flew to Putin: "Money is power."
    Dear, source of power, wake up and see the root ...
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 23 December 2017 22: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: cedar
      the scale of financial management is not the same.

      Well then, in preziki Sahibzadovna. With the scale of the exchange of money for receipts, everything is OK.
  37. rotor
    rotor 23 December 2017 13: 46 New
    +5
    Pavel Grudinin - Director of the prosperous Moscow state farm named after Lenin.


    What does Grudinin succeed in selling strawberries or what? This is not a candidacy, but a mockery of the country.
  38. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 23 December 2017 13: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    Putin for 17 years -DID not give, but the support of the overwhelming majority-enjoys

    But he didn’t refute it either. The Scout, in a word! He’s just left behind him, and for how long? Is that the question?
  39. zivXP
    zivXP 23 December 2017 13: 56 New
    +2
    Grudinin is a member of the Party of affairs.
    It would be a great achievement for the second round. Zyuganov most likely guaranteed a "golden parachute." He has already become unintelligible speech, judging by recent appearances.
    It may happen that Putin will soon have to reckon with the opinion of not only EP. And renew the government, at least partially. This would probably be the best option for the development of the country.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 December 2017 15: 14 New
      10
      Quote: zivXP
      Grudinin is a member of the Party of affairs.

      Quote: Varyag77
      What kind of party is this? Tell me, please

      Grudinin was never a member of the Party.
      He put forward from the PDS NPSR in the internet everything is. If needed.
      But nonsense, rumors and idioms should not be written stop
      1. zivXP
        zivXP 24 December 2017 10: 14 New
        +1
        Well, yes, I got it. He is generally non-partisan. It's just that infa from the Party has been going on for a long time about the case of his possible nomination, although he was not there. Here I called and got confused. Otherwise, everything is correct and it seems that everything is still twisted more.
  40. Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 23 December 2017 14: 02 New
    +4
    Quote from the article:
    According to recent reports, Grudinin himself member of the Communist Party is not.


    Zyuganov in the spray destroyed the Communist Party. So the party of its candidate from its party members can no longer expose. He exposes a dark horse, almost like a man from the street.
    The party collects and exposes anybody, up to criminal elements, for example, such as Voronenkov.
  41. mavrus
    mavrus 23 December 2017 14: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: To be or not to be
    "Zyuganov will head the High Council of People's Patriotic Forces, which will also become the campaign headquarters of Pavel Grudinin"
    Who will Zyuganov work for? From such support ... Grudinkin will only lose votes

    From the Communists, Grudin, and more precisely, anyone speaking under patriotic slogans and supported by the Communists), if played correctly, will have more than 20% (stable pro-communist electorate).
  42. Radikal
    Radikal 23 December 2017 14: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    I am not an adherent of EP, so you will not hear words from me in defense wink I do not care about the Communist Party program-a set of unfulfilled wishes, I look at her affairs at the present stage.

    And what is her business if she is not in power? winked
  43. Radikal
    Radikal 23 December 2017 14: 24 New
    +6
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Quote: forty-eighth
    Well, the question is, how do you frequent this site: do you relate yourself to what part - to non-working hands or wiping your ass for loafers at the computer?

    And to whom will you take me if I am a pensioner and work as much as possible. And I don’t have enough time to spend days at my computer. Therefore, I sometimes respond to comments late.

    In the 90s, pensioners and the female half of the population pushed Yeltsin to the surface, then as president (though they later bit their elbows and swore that they did not vote for him), now they have become adherents of the Guarantor! And then what will you scream when everything is covered with a copper basin, or you nevermind, no difference? wassat
  44. Radikal
    Radikal 23 December 2017 14: 31 New
    +8
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Quote: Olgovich
    Putin for 17 years -DID not give, but the support of the overwhelming majority-enjoys

    But he didn’t refute it either. The Scout, in a word! He’s just left behind him, and for how long? Is that the question?

    This “scout” will leave behind a pack of greedy, thieving officials, the LGBT “intelligentsia”, and a flock of fat oligarchs who will continue to milk with frenzy and tear the country to pieces! sad
  45. Varyag77
    Varyag77 23 December 2017 14: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: zivXP
    Grudinin is a member of the Party of affairs.

    What kind of party is this? Tell me, please. Yes, and he was not one. Very strong ideologically I will look.
    How much is the Communist Party now paying for agitation? Or on a voluntary basis?
  46. komvap
    komvap 23 December 2017 15: 16 New
    +6
    Yuri Yuryevich Boldyrev well done - stirred up this swamp.
    The first time I listened to Zyuganov without disgust and even with interest

  47. turbris
    turbris 23 December 2017 15: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: q75agent
    yeah, our storyteller, I saw you personally how they honestly go after the polling station closes at 20 00 ... so do not be here .....
    Reply Citir

    And do not bother more specifically when, where and at what polling station you personally attended after 20.00. Why didn’t they file a lawsuit if they noticed violations of the electoral law? Or just shake the air again?
  48. Nemesis
    Nemesis 23 December 2017 16: 01 New
    +2
    The communist ideology itself has completely exhausted itself, and feeding the former republics of the scoop again at the expense of and to the detriment of Russia and its indigenous population, we don’t need this and the fact that Putin spends a lot of Russian money today on Russophobic states is a crime against Russia and her indigenous people
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 23 December 2017 16: 45 New
      +8
      Communist ideology itself has completely exhausted itself,
      Communism (from lat. Commūnis “general”) is a social and economic system based on social equality, social ownership of the means of production. What is bad? And what good is Putin's liberalism?
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 23 December 2017 17: 17 New
        +1
        Communism is a degenerate version of socialism. It is unnatural, and therefore impracticable.
      2. Nemesis
        Nemesis 23 December 2017 18: 14 New
        +3
        The bad thing is that the Communists and Putin squander Russian money for foreign countries, not noticing that Russia needs this money ... They betray Russia and its indigenous population, taking away a piece of bread from it
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 23 December 2017 19: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: Nemesis
          The bad thing is that the Communists and Putin squander Russian money on foreign countries

          In the USSR, the fortune of the two hundred richest people in the country did not exceed GDP by more than two times. Where does Russian money go? Look at the state of Russian oligarchs and banking assets and you will understand where ...
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 December 2017 23: 14 New
            +1
            Where does Russian money go, everything goes to this - , there would be much more money in the budget if half the population paid taxes honestly.
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 23 December 2017 23: 46 New
              +2
              there would be much more money in the budget if half the population paid taxes honestly.

              that is, the second half can pay dishonestly? repeat so she does! and if you pay as expected, small businesses can immediately hang themselves request Why did almost 400 IPs enter into the shadows several years ago? due to tax deductions. And why are we so afraid of the progressive tax? Is it because laws are being adopted by those who think about their wallets and not about the budget? how much money did they find with Zakharchenko? on Swiss accounts almost 000 million euros, but here about 300 billion rubles. In general, a little less than 8,5 billion rubles if translated. According to the source you cited, he would "finance" almost 30% of our culture belay and if you can still take taxes from the half of the population by scraping the scrapes of “zharchchenkovs”! hi
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 24 December 2017 11: 42 New
                0
                "Progressive tax" and by what criteria to calculate it - it can affect everyone.
                1. Nemesis
                  Nemesis 24 December 2017 23: 52 New
                  +2
                  With the criteria of the Progressive Tax, everything is clear to me personally ... There are cars that are considered to be luxury goods all over the World, and not a means of transportation ... (Bentley, for example) Such need to be taxed additionally ... There is housing that is available throughout the World It is considered a luxury item, not a place of residence ... This must be imposed with an additional tax ... (more than 200 square meters) Only such taxes will have to be paid by Yakunin, but the GDP does not want to ...
            2. zivXP
              zivXP 24 December 2017 18: 44 New
              0
              About filling the budget there is an interesting video, in principle, everything turns out that way.
          2. Nemesis
            Nemesis 24 December 2017 23: 48 New
            0
            I do not see the difference between the CPSU, which robbed Russia, fed half of Africa and Putin, who today gives out $ 750 million to Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan at the expense of Russia, as if there were no problems in Russia ...
      3. turbris
        turbris 24 December 2017 11: 58 New
        0
        Gardamir - and what is the country in which communism was built? Socialism, too, is falling apart slowly, communism is an impossible fairy tale, and it is a pity, I really wanted to believe in it!
    2. Ivan Tartugai
      Ivan Tartugai 24 December 2017 09: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Nemesis
      Communist ideology itself has completely exhausted itself

      Communist ideology is the ideology of workers who, by the sweat of their faces, earn their daily bread. The world of people is held by workers. As long as there are workers, there will be a communist ideology.
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 24 December 2017 14: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Nemesis
      and feed the former republics of the scoop again at the expense and expense of Russia and its indigenous population
      Ahem, horsemen mixed in a bunch. How is feeding the republics in Soviet times connected with the current Communist Party program ?! I do not recall that the Communist Party advocated for the feeding of neighboring states. Moreover, most of them are not communist.
      Quote: Nemesis
      Today, Putin spends a lot of money on Russian states with Russophobia. This is a crime against Russia and its indigenous population.
      So Putin is not a communist, he is a liberal. Why do you equate Putin and modern communists?
  49. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 December 2017 16: 43 New
    17
    So! We were humiliated before the Olympics. but thank Putin anyway. Kolyaizurengoy, wise Putin. Ballet Nureyev - long live Putin. Why does everyone hate Chubais? For privatization. So Putin signed a decree on privatization-2. And so, everyone knows nothing, that the cat left the kittens, it’s Medvedev's fault, well, not Putin.
    Many hate Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and Putin respects these two. So all who bow to Putin bow to Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
    The country is expected to raise taxes, increase the retirement age, a peace treaty with Japan (a gift from the islands to the Japanese), but we will not love Putin. Once again, I will repeat the second privatization of Chubais and Putin will do it.
    So everyone who worships Putin worships Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Chubais, Sobchak (both), Medvedev, Shuvalov, Rottenberg.
    Putin ended the war in Chechnya, on the condition that the Russians bow to the Chechens. Putin took Crimea on the condition that Ukraine separate from Russia. Millions are invested in television programs inciting the hatred of Russian Russians to Russians of Little Russia. They are trying to make the same Ukraine from the Urals.

    Well, it’s quite cunning to call P.N. Grudinin chairman, such a kind of peasant in a quilted jacket. State Farm P.N.Grudinina, in fact, a large agricultural holding. Pavel Nikolayevich himself was three times a deputy of the Moscow Regional Duma. He graduated from the Russian State Academy under the President with a degree in jurisprudence. Also, Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin is a member of the expert council under the Government of the Russian Federation and deputy chairman of the Committee for the Development of the Agro-Industrial Complex of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation.
    So Pavel Nikolayevich, maybe he didn’t show himself, but Putin showed too much to stay another term.
    1. Height
      Height 23 December 2017 21: 58 New
      +1
      Pavel Nikolaevich? No, not authority.
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 22: 26 New
      +8
      Quote: Gardamir
      Putin signed a decree on privatization-2

      Are you talking about this?

      Quote: Gardamir
      The country is expected to raise taxes, increase the retirement age, a peace treaty with Japan (a gift from the islands to the Japanese) ... the second privatization is due for Chubais and Putin will do it

      Gardamir, you need to be treated ... this is not a collision in any case, this is care about your health. Mental, above all.
      You write all this ... well, let's say, you have been writing for a long time (when there was absolutely nothing to do, I somehow read your "tape"). About retirement age, you’ve sung a minimum of a couple of years, for example.
      Not tired? The head is not a bo-bo? You can’t exhaust yourself like that ... request
      Quote: Gardamir
      Also, Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin is a member of the expert council under the Government of the Russian Federation and deputy chairman of the Committee for the Development of Agro-Industrial Complex of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation

      Read - a petty official (3-4 rank approximately), which thousands ...
      Quote: Gardamir
      Putin has shown too much to stay another term

      IMHO add ... otherwise it somehow awkwardly comes out No.
  50. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 23 December 2017 16: 51 New
    +1
    This should increase interest in the elections and increase turnout.