By the end of the year, the creation of a dry ration for special forces will be completed.

The director general of the organization Voentorg, Vladimir Pavlov, reports that by the end of this year, the formation of a dry ration for special forces fighters will be completed. Statement by Vladimir Pavlov leads RIA News:

We are currently working on the creation of rations for special forces. I hope that this year we will finish this work. This is a special product, and its creation is a difficult task.

The main task that is set before the staff of Voentorg is to create such a ration that could be as light as possible by weight, while so caloric that it would allow a fighter to participate in a special operation during the day.

An important detail: the ration for special forces is performed in such a way that its constituent products do not require heating. This will allow the preparation and consumption of food in conditions of maximum secrecy.

It is known that nuts, chocolate and dried fruits will surely be included in the special ration.

Recall that in regular rations for military personnel there is a system for heating food using dry fuel and a small metal stand for placing containers on it, for example, with rice porridge and beef stew.

Comments

[rotmistr60]

Once on TV they showed a story about dry rations of various armies. They gave the foreign military to try our ration. Even the Americans admitted that we have better dry rations, not to mention the representatives of the European armies, Japan and South Korea.

[Genry]

TV is a show and very often does not reflect reality.
There are videos from a blogger who tries different rations that are sent to him from everywhere (search on YouTube for the phrase " = IRP overview = ").

[Bronevick]

There are hundreds of these bloggers on YouTube who try dry packs, if not more.

[Felix99]

Specifically, this blogger slammed the army to eat on a civilian woman on weekends.

[ando_bor]

Quote: rotmistr60

Even the Americans admitted that we had better dry rations, not to mention the representatives of the European armies, Japan and South Korea.

The existing army ration is good, but it’s bigger and heavier, even mountain, it’s the same in the trailer as the army, it’s only replaced with juice, it’s a little easier, my son served in the mountain brigade urgently, he says, for 3-4 days they took one, from the rest they chose high-calorie and light - chocolates, sweets, if possible they took good sausages, short-term - enough, with strong plowing, I especially do not want to eat, and once, after the raid they ate, recovered, there should be a light, high-calorie ration in the raid .

[Proud.]

Quote: ando_bor

a good army ration is good,

It all depends on the manufacturer. Who will win the tender. I have Comrade. I was at the West-2017 exercises. Sniper-scout. And they fed General-purpose rations. Norm 1. Says “game” is complete. Manufacturers are different. Taste that meatballs, that any porridge is the same. It’s not ice.

[seregatara1969]

crackers lard alcohol - the easiest rations but almost no vitamins

[basmach]

My tribe was all eager to try. I tried it. I spat for a long time from this dry tea. It doesn’t smell of meat, a piece of fat is unclear with what .. I read that the cheny took large sneakers instead of dry tea. 4 pieces for a day is quite.

[rotmistr60]

Apparently you have not seen (and have not tried) today's rations. Even in Soviet times, dry rations were acceptable, but today's much better.

[basmach]

Tried this summer. Just what is in the photo in the article .. With the same dry compote, as well as cheese and jam (more like a baby mixture)., With stew in the form of fat. So I write about what I ate.

[cedar]

"The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's"
The good news is that the supply of our Army from year to year is getting better and better, including high-quality rations for the MTR.
Apparently products with self-heating are still quite expensive and heavy, but let's hope that science here will soon say its word and our special forces will take hot food in raids.

[ProkletyiPirat]

First read this

By the end of the year, the formation of dry rations for special forces will be completed

I was unrealistically very happy (which will appear both for the servicemen and for the citizen). BUT after reading this:

An important detail: rations for special forces are performed in such a way that the products included in its composition would not require heating.

I realized that in vain, damn it, but when the idea comes to them that you need to do dry packs which
1) you can carry around with you in a backpack, dosing free space in it (these "boxes" cause only crying, and torment "How to stuff the ammunition cartridges (cartridges, grenades, etc) and things so that they do not crush the pup and do not ruin its packaging")
2) the food should be hot and without the use of fire, no this is not a paradox, there are many chemical compounds that are heated by contact with water
What is the tricky thing to do with two closing bags with valves? One for eating a second for warming. He poured water into the first to the mark, then into the second to the mark, put one into the other and wait a minute, then eat calmly. As a result, a normal dry jacket that can be worn even in your pants pocket. even in a backpack, even in unloading ("he is always with him"), while always hotter and can be cooked even on the go without breaking the case.

[Volodin]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

Here's what difficult to make two closing bags with valves? ABOUT

So Voentorg just works with the "wishes of the workers." Quite seriously - all offers from fighters who face the problems you are talking about are taken into account. True, there is an important nuance - the final cost of such a ration after taking into account all the comments and suggestions ...

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Volodin

So Voentorg just works with the "wishes of the working people."

Unnoticed, not noticeable at all, everything is visible from the exact opposite and vice versa.
1) where is the division into one meal instead of a set into three meals?
2) where is the convenient packaging? You can safely throw those “IRP” boxes into the ballot box, they are convenient for storage in a warehouse, they are unsuitable to be pulled into a car, I will not even stutter about their ease of placement in military equipment.
3) where is the opportunity without fire heating? I have seen at least a few rational proposals, including without the use of chemical compounds reacting with water. For example, based on dry alcohol and a special pot. (I don’t need to say that “there is fire”, there isn’t much to explain the features there for a long time)
4) where is the possibility of cooking on the go?
5) where is the unification with tourist food?
6) where is the rainy day home-based unification?
7) where are the nutritional bars (they are also "snigers", they are also "vitaladki", they are also "food bars", they are also "tactical bars", they are also "tactical bread")?
There is only one answer, "Why the hell is it all that needs to be done if the Moscow Oblast is already purchasing our shit."

[Volodin]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

7) where are the nutritional bars (they are also "snigers", they are also "vitaladki", they are also "food bars", they are also "tactical bars", they are also "tactical bread")?

On this item. Apparently, you have not used the IRP for a long time. Energy batters have long been "in the ranks." Even in the photo to this news you can see it - at the top in the middle. And this is it on a scale with the composition:


Well, about the phrase "our shit" I just do not agree with you. When wearing and warming up, there is an inconvenience - yes, but from this call IRP "shit" - here you are clearly overdone. Moreover, we still do not know what will be offered in the end.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Volodin

When wearing and warming up there are inconveniences - yes, but from this to call the IRP "shit" - here you obviously overdid it.

No, I didn’t overdo it, on the contrary, I downplayed it. Tell me why you need dry food? I will answer you need it for food where there is no field kitchenDo you understand? where it is not! what do we see today? and we see that they are trying to squeeze out the field kitchen due to the IRP!

Quote: Volodin

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

7) where are the nutritional bars (they are also "snigers", they are also "vitaladki", they are also "food bars", they are also "tactical bars", they are also "tactical bread")?

On this item. Apparently, you have not used the IRP for a long time. Energy batters have long been "in the ranks." Even in the photo to this news you can see it - at the top in the middle. And this is it on a scale with the composition:

It is part of the IRP, but it is necessary separately from it, since their consumption is not uniform with the IRP, that is, I ate 1 today, and tomorrow 10. And if he ate the IRP, then you ate, and then you go hungry for there is no time to sit down to prepare the IRP, and you've already eaten the bar.

[Dedall]

Dear ProkletyiPirat, unfortunately, but in the Russian army there is no power supply system outside the garrisons from the word at all. With the dissolution of the system of cookery schools in the military units in the oblasts, regular field kitchens disappeared, and therefore the question was raised of creating dry rations for feeding military personnel on a separation basis. Although, oddly enough, no one has canceled the requirement of the Charter on the nutrition of military personnel by packed ration for no more than 3 days. And more than once there were problems when our unit, in which I work as a doctor, went to the "field". For example, this was in Telembe.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Dedall

Dear ProkletyiPirat, unfortunately, but in the Russian army there is no power supply system outside the garrisons from the word at all.

I wrote about this, the IRP is trying to replace the kitchen, but do not dry it. As a result, there are no field kitchens or dry suites directly in the units. Although it sounds like something strange suhpai cannot replace suhpay.

Quote: Dedall

With the dissolution of the system of cookery schools in the military units in the oblasts, regular field kitchens disappeared, and therefore the question was raised of creating dry rations for feeding military personnel on a separation basis.

The use of cookery units is not necessary; there are very good food packages based on freeze-dried and dehydrated products. It’s very personal even to taste, you can eat constantly, it’s simple to prepare, because you don’t need to cut and clean anything, just unpack it in a container, fill it with water, wait for it to soak, stir it during heating. and you can eat. In terms of a set of useful ingredients, satiety, taste and texture, it is practically no different from ordinary products. But again, we have a problem with this in the Russian Federation, often they call sublimates everything without getting

[Paranoid50]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

4) where is the possibility of cooking on the go?
5) where is the unification with tourist food?
6) where is the rainy day home-based unification?

Oh, trouble-trouble ... It is fraught to be enslaved in your own stomach.

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

and we see that they are trying to squeeze out the field kitchen due to the IRP!

Again, your lie. In addition to the new towed PC models, there is even a PAK-200, a KAMAZ-based field kitchen and dining room.

[Dedall]

Dear Paranoid50, see my response from the Cursed Pirate. That is, a month before the exercises in the units, searches for military aunts who normally cook begin. They should be sent to some kind of baclaboratory, where to do three-time inoculation on the absence of bacteria of the dysenteric group. But the most interesting thing is that when a part leaves, someone else rides. And I want to add essentially your comment on the PAK that in the old days such a kitchen based on the ZIL-130 was in every battalion. Outfits from her mouth came to her with cisterns, where dishes were laid. But with the KAMAZ chassis, the problem is that it is very tall. See the front door in the photo? So she is above human height, and the weight of the tank is very decent. And the cook along a narrow staircase to the front door to climb, and even with his hands occupied is very difficult. We already had cases of falls. In short, this PAK was designed on the principle of "Nate to you and unhook!" I have roughly the same estimate for the new car dressing. It would be better to make it in the form of a biaxial trailer and lower on wheels - it still stands in place for weeks.

[cannabis]

The infantry battalion had two PAKs - 200 based on ZIL-131, Gas -66 with a trailed kitchen and pieces of 3-4 portable boilers in which water was heated for washing in winter and washing bowlers after meals.

[Dedall]

We had a PAK-400, and he was just at the battalion. Trailed kitchens (KP) stood out in the company and it says “125” in its index - that is, for 125 people to prepare all the dishes. More to complement the individual units used KP-40 and other varieties. But the trouble now is that all this is no longer available. Those that remained - 80 years of release.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Dedall

In short, this PAK was designed on the principle of "Nate to you and unhook!"

Got it. These shoals, apparently, were taken into account when developing a more modern modification of the PAK-200. Article on VO from 11.11.2015. Photo does not allow to insert ... So there is still a hatch on the starboard side for dispensing hot food and loading food. I absolutely agree with you - to get up from a height, and even with a tank (aka lagoons) there is a very dubious pleasure.

[GIN]

You don’t get tired of these heaters carrying the weight of a kilogram of quicklings per day, but of course water, what is optimal is about the alcohol of the tablet warmers and the stand, but in general the food should be warm only tea without heating, but it’s inconvenient to dry it dry so that it’s worked out for a long time and these developers saw the budget is just

[cannabis]

Those who are really interested in the topic of nutrition in a long raid of fighters of Sp Naz will be interested to read the article by professional saboteur Zagortsev, published on the ArtOfWar website. There are recipes for making "Muhri meat" and "Muhri sweet", as well as the use of biscuits as fuel for heating food packages.

[TsUS-Air Force]

I agree! I also read books from this site. it also indicates what and in what quantity is best taken in a raid, and how much water and in what container

[Herculesic]

In general, you can’t fool the body - you need hot food even in battle conditions! And products that do not require heating, it is basically a ruining stomach and kidneys with liver chemistry from preservatives and taste mimics!

[Volodin]

Quote: Herkulesich

And the products that do not require warming up are mainly a ruining stomach and kidneys with liver chemistry from preservatives and taste simulators!

Give an example of a domestic suhpayka with simulators of taste. Just wondering.

[Herculesic]

Volodin ! -Alexey, if I am mistaken we do not want to understand each other! Our dry buns are good, BUT a person just needs to eat hot food, especially in the field when it's cold! And canned foods that do not require heating, this is a deception of the stomach with sad consequences for it! !!!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Herkulesich

And canned foods that do not require heating, this is a deception of the stomach with sad consequences for it! !!!

I read the article and comments to it ... came to this conclusion ..
Our astronauts are also limited in the matter of the weight of what they take with them. Technologies for heating and preserving food in the space industry have long been developed. The astronauts, sitting on the ISS for years, eat food that can hardly be called homemade. However, they have no ulcers, kidney failure, etc. Maybe Voentorg makes sense to contact the developers of space power and try to take something from there?

[GIN]

there is no chemistry there just concentrates like nuts food heavy meat fat we are not Chukchi their stomachs are adapted our no in my opinion the Mongols have written in the army 3 kg of meat per day far you will go on such a diet

[TsUS-Air Force]

I will say rudely, do not swear! they’ll think for a whole year, cut a lot of money, but in the end they’ll put a can of stewed meat, a bunch of biscuits. took it and asked the specialists what they most needed !!!! it’s one day to go to the brigade or detachment and ask. business damn !!!

[Vard]

"Mars" and "Sneaker" ... And do not reinvent the wheel ... For a day ...

[cannabis]

Having carefully examined the picture with the dry ration of the saboteur depicted on it, I am extremely indignant at the lack of a set of condoms in the dry pack! They can be used remarkably for waterproofing detonators, when installing explosive charges in damp places and especially in water.

[CAPTIVE]

Quote: cunning

They can be used remarkably for waterproofing detonators, when installing explosive charges in damp places and especially in water.

And you can use it for its intended purpose ... Something is incomplete!

[cannabis]

That's just about it is not necessary, and then the pressure rises immediately!

[CAPTIVE]

Quote: cunning

That's just about it is not necessary, and then the pressure rises immediately!

Yeah, the years are not the same ..)))

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: cunning

condom kit! They can be used remarkably for waterproofing detonators, when installing explosive charges in damp places and especially in water.

Condoms, for isolating detonators, Yeah, I believe, I believe in the word, as well as American soldiers who put their rifles on, and not on x. just tell me please. Since when did detonators begin to be afraid of water? no wrong "List the water-borne detonators!" it will be more accurate.

[cannabis]

And you list those who are not afraid .....

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: cunning

And you list those who are not afraid .....

I didn’t pull you by the tongue, it was you who blundered nonsense, so you should prove the problem of waterproofing with detonators. And if you throw arrows, then go to kindergarten.

[cannabis]

What I know and can do, according to education and qualifications, is listed in the Criminal Code in the section Particularly Grave Crimes. And I'm not going to share information with anyone and nobody knows to prove anything. Judging by your reaction, you are generally far from the topic. So "Let's say goodbye."

[ProkletyiPirat]

Your self-sticks forbidden by the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation have nothing to do with the army and army nutrition, and even more so with the sapper business. But the presence of condoms can adversely affect the moral character of a soldier, as it creates an incentive to rape the local population. Therefore, your indignation is an attempt to harm the army and the state. I stop this conversation on the sim.

[ustinov.yuri]

The "local population" has already been seen from the "unfortunate refugee refugees" you won’t scare them with a condom. But the train of your thoughts warms the soul.

[GIN]

Yeah, self-made and industrial ones are definitely not afraid; rather they should be stored for a long time in inappropriate conditions

[volan]

cd-8a, m, s. they demand.

[Dedall]

Respected cannabis, I don’t know what your experience as a special forces officer is, but the context of dry “rubber products” is only suitable for short-term transport of water. The soldier’s scam includes about 8 liters of water poured into a prez. The only problem is that it then stinks strongly of rubber and, when carrying, is afraid of touching even blades of grass that pierce the shell at a time.

[cannabis]

I have no experience of special purpose, only all-army. I must say that unfortunately the chacha sent in a heating pad also stinks of rubber, but harsh conditions make it put up with this terrible inconvenience.

[serge siberian]

You are right, prezies back in 70 or earlier, geological exploration and tunnels used de blasting.

[Chichikov]

They invent .... and not for nothing! This is to entrust the cabinetmaker to the carpenter.
The Institute of Biomedical Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences, already about 50 years old, has a separate laboratory that is fully concerned with the issue of space power, including during emergency landing. There, on convenience, calories, safety and so on, teeth have already been eaten.

[cannabis]

At one time it was well thought out and prepared. In the regimental warehouses there were supplies for the wounded - Polish chicken pate in jars, plum and apricot compote in 3 liter tins, alcohol in tins. Buckwheat with stewed meat in small jars was just an overeating! True, sometimes in sukhpai instead of biscuits the lucky ones came across bread, and the unlucky had moldy crackers.

[GIN]

Bread rolls destroyed it immediately

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Chichikov

space power

Everyone is good, but expensive. for astronauts is not essential, but for the army is too expensive.

[faridg7]

Who speaks for the army? This is for special forces. In terms of army spending, this is not significant.

[ProkletyiPirat]

And how does special forces differ from a soldier in terms of food? Specials have only one problem, they are heard but not listened. I once read on the internet a review of one commando, terribly he was the mother of all producers of food and special forces equipment. He was tired of waiting for normal dry rations to be delivered to him and he did everything for himself, made a tactical hydrator bag from a bicycle counterpart, household spray cans and small things, and as a result solved all problems with water and washing. "Tactical thermos pot" solved all problems with heating write without fire and on the go. He makes all the mixtures of dry rations on the basis of ordinary store products, it’s nothing very tedious, you need to crush a lot and grind especially for “tactical bread”, and you know, NONE THE MANUFACTURER HAS DONE THE SAME! A lot of "high" people came and looked, but things are still there ...

[Star]

You can pack right on the picnic.
It would be interesting to compare with rations for astronauts there the weight also matters.
In my next cut dough, everything has long been invented and calculated, why reinvent the wheel.
Now, if they proposed new technologies, for example, autonomous food heating can be added ..

[d ^ Amir]

This is a special product.

weird ...

as light as possible, while being so high-calorie

I have one feeling ??????

products did not require heating

long thought up, without fire, the chemical reaction of extinguishing lime .... and something general description somehow familiar ????

nuts, chocolate and dried fruits

is it a pemmican do they describe us ???

[VOENOBOZ]

A sniper buried in the ground, a day waiting for the target and he needs hot food?

[Star]

When you do not need to dig in, but for now you can reach the point, especially if severe Siberian frost.

[midivan]

Quote: VOENOBOZ

A sniper buried in the ground, a day waiting for the target and he needs hot food?

And where are you without him! There are some to read and the woman should be at least inflatable Well, it’s better to live to cook on a secret and dangerous task, so that the stomach does not spoil And then they will suddenly kill, and you have gastritis, abydna daa! One thing pleases, the flags are not ours basically, you may not have to sit in the same trench with them if that, otherwise you won’t go into battle without heat. Remembering the 90s, 2 cans of porridge, a can of stewed meat and condensed milk, and a pack of crackers with little white worms and a spider web for a day and no buzzing, otherwise the Great Wall of China stew will get it, I think we should remember this divine taste that only turned off the smell And then I wrote a pancake of desires, and I didn’t hear such words, snickered, give them pretzels, at home they want to burst from the belly, if they survive of course

[senima56]

Sailors have long had emergency rations, in the form of concentrates that do not require heating. No need to "invent a bicycle" and spend money!

[q75agent]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

1) you can carry around with you in a backpack, dosing free space in it (these "boxes" cause only crying, and torment "How to stuff the ammunition cartridges (cartridges, grenades, etc) and things so that they do not crush the pup and do not ruin its packaging")
2) the food should be hot and without the use of fire, no this is not a paradox, there are many chemical compounds that are heated by contact with water

I often buy various RTIs, here one is currently available in my house, there is a BNP and not large in size - the fighter needs hot food

[q75agent]

Quote: Genry

TV is a show and very often does not reflect reality.
There are videos from a blogger who tries different rations that are sent to him from everywhere (search on YouTube for the phrase "= IRP Overview =").

I’m also watching videos of this blogger, yet Russian PIs are much better than imported ones

[vnord]

Quote: senima56

Sailors have long had emergency rations, in the form of concentrates that do not require heating. No need to "invent a bicycle" and spend money!

Peter releases the MARIN PRO diet, you can eat it when you can bend the fins at all. In the daytime package, the vacuum package is slightly larger than cheese / friendship, there are three pressed plates, such as breakfast, lunch, dinner. Ingredients: wheat flour, sugar, vegetable fat. Weight 156g., 800kcal, 3350kJ. Shelf life 5 years

[Lexus]

In the manufacture of the IRP for the MTR there are a lot of restrictions: weight and size, protection against external factors (moisture, heat, mechanical damage), the need to provide high calorie content. Therefore, the calculation for one "specific" lunch is justified, and the rest, so that you can "lull". Therefore, such rations have, as a rule, 2 serious MEAT dishes ("chemical" heating is still necessary). And the rest of the filling - nut mixes, chocolate, freeze-dried briquettes (chewed and washed down with water) - should be done so that after opening the main package it is convenient to shove it in your pockets.

[Lexus]

moisture, heat, mechanical damage

+ product preservation during freezing and thawing.

[serge siberian]

In the late 80s, the late journalist Vladimir Tsvetov, said that the yapes had already made cans of coffee, noodles, etc., etc. It’s necessary to remove the plastic lid from the bottom, there is a place to stick with a toothpick (here the same) and close this lid and a couple of minutes “Eat it.” Take it into service and reduce the portes, and equip the packaging by 5-8 times.

[Glory1974]

Our rations are the best. In Yugoslavia 1 our ration was changed to 2-3 NATO. They are also tasty, but quickly bored. And you can eat ours for months. We usually grouped by 3 person, each dropped into a common pile by the bank: 1 stew and 2 cereal, everything mixes and warms up. Three times a day, full food.
The Chechen fighters had 2 sneakers and a half of water for a day. But so you can hold out 3-4 days no more.
The Ministry of Emergencies has warming up rations, but they are not supplied to the MO, probably expensive.

[sgapich]

Interestingly, did the developers of this dry pack take into account the experience of compiling layouts for mountain or ski tourism? Especially for climbing at high altitudes - respectively, at low temperatures and very high energy consumption.

[ProkletyiPirat]

the developers of this "dry" did not even try to see what tourists eat, where there before laying backpacks ...

[Wengr]

Without hot zhratki not an option. Horseradish with it, with taste, the main thing that would be satisfying and high-calorie. In 2003, they ate week rations of army rations at the exits - normal.

[Ierarh]

Quote: Vard

"Mars" and "Sneaker" ... And do not reinvent the wheel ... For a day ...

Stew bl ...

[weddu]

Yes, everything has been invented for a long time. There is a good rations dry rations, compact and very nutritious, and chocolate is there too, we still burst it in DDR in Soviet times in Hungary. Well, let Voentorg create what he wants, you never know, maybe Min.Oborona will also appreciate the work of these merchants, if they are interested as usual ...