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The death of K-129 - the mystery is almost revealed

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The death of K-129 - the mystery is almost revealedIn our previous publication, we rather thoroughly showed why the American Suordfish nuclear submarine (NPS) (USS Swordfish, SSN-579) was not related to the death of the Soviet K-129 submarine in March 1968 of the year (see "Who is guilty of deaths of K-129 "," NVO "from 24.11.17). In reality, on the night from 24 to 25 in February of 1968, when K-129 left the Avacha Bay and, having assumed a submerged position, moved south, tracking Soviet naval forces on approaches to the naval base (naval base) Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky in the course of its 70-day mission, another American multi-purpose submarine, the Barb submarine (USS Barb, SSN-596) of the Permit type, carried out. However, she was unable to fix the output of K-129 and did not install tracking. At the same time, after the start of the search operation for the missing K-129, the Barb submarine discovered the exit of a group of Soviet ships and reported this to its command.


According to the assignment, K-129 moved south along the 162nd meridian to the 40th parallel, after which it turned east. The movement along the 40th parallel was intended to minimize the likelihood of detecting a U.S. base patrol submarine. aviationsince the so-called no-fly zone between parallels of 39 and 41 degrees N was established in the US Navy. in order to avoid interference between the P-3 Orion aircraft departing from the Adak air base (Adak Island, Aleutian Islands) and the aircraft departing from the Barberz Point air base (Oahu Island, Hawaiian Islands).

At midnight on February 26, K-129 transmitted a radio message (CDR) in superfast mode. The forces of the radio intelligence stations of the USA in the western part of the Pacific Ocean of the RSO recorded and determined its belonging to the Soviet submarine No. 722. But RDO itself was not decrypted, and the American experts considered that it was transmitted by the returning K-129 from the next exit to the sea. The error was caused by the fact that K-129 with onboard No. 722 was previously fixed at sea during its test release, and was aggravated by the fact that the Barb submarine did not detect the release of K-129 to combat service.

BY RESULTS OF OPERATION “AZORIAN”

Despite the fact that the Soviet government concealed the fact of the death of K-129 and the special measures of secrecy adopted by the American side and accompanied the operation to lift it, today there is a fairly extensive material in the public domain that sheds light on the catastrophe. In addition, some materials have been declassified and published, including a certain amount of photographic and video materials from the archive of the special operation Azorian (Project Аzorian; previously for a long time it was incorrectly mentioned in foreign and domestic sources as Jennifer).

For a long time, the most likely root causes of the death of the boat were considered:

- a collision in poor visibility with a surface vessel (ship) with the subsequent flow of water through a hole inside a durable hull;

- the failure of the submarine due to crew errors or an accident inside the submarine, by analogy with the situation that occurred on board the C-80 submarine of the 644 project in January 1961, when the measures taken for emergency blowing, full stroke and putting the rudders on the ascent turned out to be late and ineffective.

According to many commanders and commanders of the electromechanical warhead (warhead-5), who served on submarines of the 629 project, the K-129 submarine died due to an unintended failure for extreme depth. The fact is that for their displacement, the submarines of the 629 project had insufficient power supply, which did not allow the crew to use energetic emergency maneuvers available to other diesel boats.

At the same time, for the submarines of the 629A project, the standards existing at that time required at least 90% of the time of combat service to be underwater or at a periscope depth. Complicating the situation was the need to charge batteries of at least 2 / 3 with a nominal capacity to ensure immediate pre-launch preparation at any time, which forced commanders to frequently or recharge batteries, or use diesel for movement. Taking this into account, it becomes obvious why most of the time the boats of this project were in the RDP mode - a very complex and dangerous mode, requiring continuous tension of forces and constant attention from the traveling watch.

INTERNAL REASONS

Statistics of known accidents with submarines in the postwar period only confirms the version of the internal reason for the death of K-129. None of the boats that had underwater collisions with other submarines, the circumstances of which are reliably known, did not die. But at the same time, the death of many submarines failing to the depth without external influence is known: Soviet C-80 (1961), American Thresher (USS Thresher, SSN-593, 1963), Israeli Dakar (INS Dakar, 1968 ) and etc.

An interesting coincidence: two days before the death of K-129, it was officially announced the end of another unsuccessful search operation to find the Israeli Dakar submarine missing at the transition from Portsmouth to Haifa. The boat sank 25 on January 1968, in the Mediterranean, and was discovered only in May, 1999, at a depth of about 3 KM. The exact cause of death has not yet been established. Three versions were considered probable: as the main one, the failure of a submarine for the maximum depth of immersion for technical reasons, not excluding the human factor; anti-submarine exposure weapons by the Soviet ships of the 5 th operational squadron or collision with an unidentified surface vessel (ship). After declassifying the investigation data, inspecting the hull of a sunken submarine with the help of the underwater robot Remora 6000 and lifting the surface of the Dakar deckhouse to the relatives of the victims were provided with materials for familiarization, from which it appeared that the external impact on the boat was excluded.

Another tragic coincidence can also be noted: the deceased C-80 was the lead diesel missile submarine with cruise missiles of the 644 project, and the K-129 at the start of modernization was appointed the lead diesel missile ballistic missile submarine with the underwater launch of the 629А. Both of them died with the whole crew, both of them lay on the bottom and both were subsequently discovered and raised.

SEARCH OPERATION AND DATA OF AMERICANS

March 10, 1968 after the announcement of the alarm the fleet reconnaissance aircraft were involved, including those deployed from the Northern Fleet. From the airfields of Yelizovo and Burevestnik more than 280 sorties were made by Tu-95RTs and Tu-16R airplanes.

Only on March 14, a group of ships, commanded by the newly appointed deputy commander of the 129 division of submarines (dipl) captain 29 rank Valentin Ivanovich Bets, joined the search operation for the dead K-1. The SB-43 icebreaker, the Vyuga icebreaker, the SS-23 rescue ship and two oceanographic research vessels, were the first to proceed along the deployment route. In the following days, other ships and submarines joined them. Nevertheless, joint searches with water did not bring any results and no signs of the missing boat were found.

The declassified to date materials of the Azorian operation, as well as testimonies and memories of participants in the events, shedding light on the circumstances of the death of K-129, give grounds for refutation of the assumptions that the death of the boat was sudden and transient.

Soviet sources unequivocally indicate that the failed scheduled radioelectronic commandovers from K-129 were assigned on the night from 7 to 8 in March, and on the day of 8 in March, the command of the division and fleet was already informed about the lack of communication with K-129. Thus, the commander of the 29 division, Rear Admiral Viktor Danylo, later recalled that when he was at home with his colleagues and their wives on the occasion of the celebration of March 8, he was immediately called to the office of the 15 Squadron Rear Admiral by telephone. Yakov Ionovich Krivoruchko to a meeting where they discussed the possible reasons for the loss of communication with K-129.

At the same time, American sources provide the following information: the sounds of explosions aboard the K-129 were recorded by the cable vessel Albert J. Meyer (USNS Albert J. Myer, T-ARC-6) 11 in March 1968 of the year in the Eastern Pacific points with coordinates 29 degrees 32 minutes north and 147 degrees 06 minutes W., that is, at a distance of 1730 nautical miles from the place of death of K-129. The vessel carried out planned work on the survey of hydrophones installed on the seabed. The first acoustic event was recorded around midnight from 11 to 12 March local time (around 12: 00 11 March GMT), the second - through 6 minutes after the first. The recordings from the SOSUS hydrophones in the period from 1 to 15 in March did not give any concrete results, because the system had weak possibilities for fixing short-term acoustic events, and was intended for accumulating, processing information and identifying sources that were noisy for a long time.

However, the United States Air Force had another system that collected acoustic information. 1 on April 1948 of the year was launched a system of monitoring nuclear explosions under the control of the Center for Technical Applications of the United States Air Force (Air Force Technical Applications Center - AFTAC). The system had at its disposal space and air sensors detecting factors of nuclear explosions, as well as seismic and underwater acoustic. The submarine component in the Pacific region was deployed off the coast of the Enolvetok Atoll (Raleek Archipelago), Midway, Wake Atolls, and the island of Oahu (Hawaiian Islands). The AFTAC center has at its disposal the hydrophones of the SOSUS surveillance system located on the Adak Island.

Experts of the American naval intelligence 14 in May held a meeting with the leadership of the AFTAC center on the issue of researching information related to the two acoustic signals recorded by 11 in March. The AFTAC specialists have calculated exact data on the time of fixation of these signals by various points. Midway: 12: 14: 30Z - 12: 20: 28Z, Adak: 12: 18: 56Z - XNXX: 12: 24: 55: XXNXXXXXXXX: 12: 30: 12: 12: 36: 10: 12: 33: 22: 12: 39: 20: 12: 40: 30: XNUMX: XNUMX; XNUMX: XNUMX: XNUMXZ, Eniwetok: XNUMX: XNUMX: XNUMXZ (Z is a GMT time-casting symbol - IK).

Comparison of data from the four AFTAC observation points and the SOSUS observation point, conducted at the AFTAC technical center, gave the place of the source of acoustic events with an accuracy of 2 marine miles: 40 degrees 06 minutes north. and 179 degrees 57 minutes w.d. June 9, to verify the calculations, a control series of four-kilogram charges in the North Pacific was blown up, which showed the accuracy of the data obtained.

DEATH

In 2009, technicians analyzed in detail the recordings of acoustic events made by 11 in March 1968 by the AFTAC surveillance system. Their conclusion was as follows: two main acoustic events lasting 155 seconds with an interval of 6 minutes, which can be defined as explosions of the 2 and 3 rocket mines in a submerged position, were preceded by three more acoustic events in 11: 58: 58Z, 11: 59 : 43Z, and 11: 59: 47Z. Each of them consists of energy pulses of duration 0,7, 1,5 and 0,7 seconds, respectively. These short pulses were localized inside a robust case, since they did not have an “acoustic portrait” characteristic of an underwater explosion, which is more prolonged due to the “bubble pulse” effect and is easily identified by SOSUS operators. There were no characteristic sounds of destruction of a solid hull like those recorded during the identification of SOSUS system records during the search for the missing American nuclear ship “Scorpion” (USS Scorpion, SSN-589). All of this may indicate that the K-129 submarine sank to the depth with an already partially submerged, solid hull.

Thus, when comparing information from the Soviet and American sides, an important assumption can be made that has not been previously considered and not discussed by experts: K-129 for at least three days before the flooding of March 11 was in disrepair with the inability to transmit RFO and a signal about the accident. Assuming that the American side falsified the date of detection of acoustic signals at the point of death of K-129, there is no compelling reason. First, the costly and costly cover-up and legend of the cover-up search and boat-lift operation ended in the 1974 year, and, secondly, there is no sense of falsifying this date in declassified documents.

CIA GOES FOR SOVIET SECRETS

The decision to search for a sunken Soviet submarine was made in the summer of 1968. The search ship Mizar (USNS Mizar, T-AGOR-11) available to the US Navy, which was used to detect sunken US nuclear submarines Threscher and Scorpio, was not suitable for searching for X-129, since at the point of death, K-129 unequivocally violated the secrecy of the entire operation.

At the same time, the USS Halibut special purpose submarine (SSN-587) was in the possession of US naval intelligence, designed to search for sunken objects. The boat passed the test program and already had experience searching for sunken Soviet armaments with the help of Fish guided vehicles in March 1968. The use of a submarine, although it was less likely to detect the K-129, but fully ensured the secrecy of searches.

During the search operation, code-named Velvet Fist, the submarine Halibat in August 1968 of the year still found fragments of K-129 and took thousands of photographs around 22. A Soviet submarine with a heavily deformed and broken hull lay on the starboard side, the stern, starting from the 5 compartment, was located in 100 m from the bow.

When comparing information about explosions on board with existing photographic materials, it is clear that part of the K-129 fencing fence at the location of the missile mines is severely damaged, the cutting casing is turned far to the sides, and mines No. 2 and 3 are higher than the superstructure decks as such, are missing, only jumble shapeless metal structures. Warheads and the missiles themselves inside the mines are also absent. From this we can draw the following conclusion: already at the extreme depth inside the mines there was an explosion of rocket fuel, which led to the destruction of the mines and the aft part of the fencing of the conning tower.

A similar situation occurred on board the K-219 submariner of the 667АU project from the 19 th dipole of the Northern Fleet in October 1986 of the year with a similar-design R-27U liquid-propellant rocket. Sea water penetrated through the leakiness of the faulty top cover and led to an overpressure inside the shaft, as a result of which fuel and oxidizer tanks were crushed. When mixing the components an explosion occurred. After the flooding of the K-219 with all the other missiles, the same thing happened, but after a while. Inspections by the deep-sea survey and search robots of the Lortrodromia complex in 1987, the sunken K-219, showed that all the mines in which the missiles remained are damaged. In the same way as in the case of K-219, it took tremendous pressure around the K-129 sinking below the maximum depth in order for the water to enter the mines and destroy the fuel tanks of the missiles. The mines themselves have a safety margin comparable to that of a solid hull, and therefore they first lost their tightness due to outboard pressure, and were completely destroyed by the explosion of fuel and oxidizer.

At the same time, mine No. 1, although it had damage from explosions in mines No. 2 and 3, but its lid remained in the closed position with a clamped cremal-type lock, which indicated the presence of the missile’s warhead inside the mine. This fact was enough for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to decide on the costly lifting of a part of the hull of length 42 m.

In addition to the monoblock warhead P-21 in the raised part were also:

- two torpedoes 53-56 with an atomic special combat charging compartment (DRA);

- Two torpedoes SET-53M;

- a set of secret combat and operational documentation in the secret part, located on the 1-th deck of the 4-th compartment;

- communication equipment, including the equipment ZAS (communication secret equipment) in the communication cabin, combined with the ZAS post on the 1 deck of the 2 compartment.

The ATP post (communication of enhanced resilience) with encryption equipment and cipher codes was located in the 5 compartment. Frequently repeated evidence in various publications that at the request of the commander of the K-129 during the modernization of the ship, the ATP post was moved from the 2 compartment to the 4 in order to increase the area of ​​the commander's cabin, is nothing more than a fiction. To transfer to another compartment the combat post that has access to documents with a “SS” (top secret) and “OV” (of special importance) stamp, at its discretion and without working drawings from the designer, was not authorized by the ship repair plant. The cipher post was located in the 5 compartment in accordance with the project documentation of the design office - the designer.

According to the testimony of the American side, at the moment of the rise, there was a break in the grips and destruction of the raised body. In the captures remained only 1 th compartment with torpedo ammunition.

However, the composition of weapons and secrets that fell into the hands of Americans, there is no reliable information. At the same time, the captain of the Hughes Glomar Explorer subsequently testified under oath that his vessel had performed six operations to lower the grips, and only two of them were training ones.

The remains of Soviet sailors found inside the submarine hull were buried from the Hughes Glomar Explorer 4 September 1974, approximately 90 nautical miles south-west of Oahu, at the coordinates of 18 degrees 29 minutes c.sh. and 157 degrees 34 minutes w.d.
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  1. verner1967
    verner1967 23 December 2017 06: 44
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    The remains of Soviet sailors found inside the submarine hull were buried from the Hughes Glomar Explorer 4 September 1974, approximately 90 nautical miles south-west of Oahu, at the coordinates of 18 degrees 29 minutes c.sh. and 157 degrees 34 minutes w.d.
    watched a program about the death of this submarine, showed footage of the American chronicles about the burial of the remains of Soviet sailors, the USSR refused the US proposal to accept them - "ichtamnet." The last honors to the heroes were given by their enemies, sadly ...
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 23 December 2017 18: 16
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      The USSR rejected the offer of the United States to accept them - "Ichtnet."

      The United States did not offer anything to the Soviet Union, because the operation was secret.
      The last honors to the heroes were given by their enemies, sadly ...

      The last honors were given to those people who discovered the dead, and did so in accordance with the naval tradition. The fact that the Americans acted humanly is a plus for them, did not expect this from them.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 23 December 2017 18: 42
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        Quote: glory1974
        The United States did not offer anything to the Soviet Union, because the operation was secret.

        The secrecy of the operation took place immediately after a grouping of ships and vessels of the US Navy with lifting equipment was formed at the site of the death of the submarine. Our only thing left was to observe the rise of K-129 and declare that we did not lose any submarines in this square, and then stand on this version with donkey stubbornness. There was an article on one of our eyewitnesses on the internet; he served on a ship that monitored the rise of the submarine.
        1. Serg koma
          Serg koma 30 December 2017 14: 04
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          Quote: verner1967
          There was an article on one of our eyewitnesses in the internet, he served on a surveillance ship for raising the submarine.
          On behalf of the country, international dialogues are conducted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, therefore, an “observer” can only observe the area allocated for HIS observation. Statement: "Our only thing left is to observe the rise of K-129 and declare that we have not lost any submarines in this square" - on the conscience of the witness "observer". Unless of course he personally, during the "service on the ship", had no relations with the US Navy as ambassador on special missions.
          and then with donkey stubbornness stand on this version.

          What fragments (or maybe the whole boat) were raised, YOU (the government of the USSR) do not know what documents, what weapons - it is also unknown, but YOU are “stubbornly stubborn” and do not recognize the submitted documents (by whom submitted, what documents?) ???
          Operation "Azorian" was not an international rescue expedition, the US kept it under the heading, can you suggest a statement by the US government to the USSR like: "We sailed past, found some kind of submarine, is it by any chance yours?", If you are sure such a statement (and you have it in the original laughing ) - BELIEVE YOUR “OBSERVER” 100% and beyond, for people like you - REN TV to help (nothing personal - incurred repeat )
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 30 December 2017 16: 38
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            Quote: Serg Koma
            The “observer” can only observe the area allocated for HIS observation.

            so he did this, about the fact that they did not lose submarines in this square - another source, it’s just that in the film it was reduced to one plot. Hence the refusal to accept the remains of our sailors.
            Quote: Serg Koma
            Operation "Azorian" was not an international rescue expedition, the United States kept it under the vulture, can you suggest a statement by the US government to the USSR like: "We sailed past, found some kind of submarine, is it by any chance yours?",
            The fact is that the USSR also tried to keep the loss of the submarine a secret, but attempts to detect it revealed all the cards, but we decided to stand our ground to the end, as the USSR - we do not have a leading power and disasters, so we stood in its own way, when this secrecy lost all meaning, even when the remains of the sailors were raised.
            Quote: Serg Koma
            nothing personal - suffered

            it is noticeable, you just need to think a bit, try again.
            1. Serg koma
              Serg koma 30 December 2017 17: 41
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              Quote: verner1967
              The fact is that the USSR also tried to keep the loss of the submarine a secret

              Can you hear yourself YOURSELF talk about secrets, and YOURSELF disavow this.
              refusal to accept the remains of our sailors
              - where did you get this information ????? Raising a boat A STRICTLY SECRET operation, and suddenly the mericosa suggests “please accept” .... Bullshit, until 1994 nothing was known about OUR sailors buried by the Americans. Relatives received (for sure) the standard notice: "Your son / husband / father missing in the performance of military duty .... ". US (USSR) the place of the tragedy was UNKNOWN, telling the whole world - where, why, why the submarine was in such a district - MILITARY SECRET (I hope you know what it is), there will be no Pentagon (without good reason) for the whole world to recognize the loss / breakdown / technical malfunction of strategic means, only the "children of perestroika" require access to the General Staff cards around the clock and cannot understand why they are ( cards) they are not shown.
              PS 1. In what year did the US officially recognize the K-129 lift?
              2. In what year did the Russian Defense Ministry (USSR?) Officially recognize the loss of K-129?
              PPS Do not watch REN TV and their programs and articles.
        2. Serg koma
          Serg koma 30 December 2017 17: 48
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          Quote: verner1967
          The secrecy of the operation passed immediatelyafter a group of ships and vessels of the US Navy with lifting equipment formed at the place of the death of the submarine

          You hold merikos for suckers? Read at least in VO "cover", "legend" of the operation "Azorian" / "Jennifer". Was YOUR “observer” exactly on the ship of the USSR Navy, and not on the ship of the US Navy? laughing
  2. Amurets
    Amurets 23 December 2017 07: 14
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    The death of K-129 - the mystery is almost revealed
    The secret will be revealed only when the Americans fully disclose the documents on this operation and the cause of death. But they do not have
    1. Vard
      Vard 23 December 2017 07: 33
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      Maybe ... The sea knows how to keep secrets ...
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 23 December 2017 15: 46
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      water around and above however
    3. svp67
      svp67 23 December 2017 16: 27
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      Quote: Amurets
      The secret will be revealed only when the Americans fully disclose the documents on this operation and the cause of death. But they do not have

      As well as the causes of the death of the Kursk .... and the destruction of the Boeing MN-17. And we now have nothing to offer them in return, all the archives of captured Americans under Gorbi and Yeltsin were opened before them ...
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 23 December 2017 07: 38
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    The blessed memory of the dead ....
  4. svp67
    svp67 23 December 2017 16: 24
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    tracking of the Soviet naval forces on the approaches to the naval base (naval base) Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky during its 70-day mission was carried out by another American multi-purpose submarine - nuclear submarine "Barb" (USS Barb, SSN-596) type "Permit". However, she could not fix the output of K-129 and she did not install tracking.
    Indeed, her exit took place under the bottom of the steam turbo-ship “Sovetskiy Soyuz” (former German “Hansa”), and then she went “lying” in one of the bays, where she spent several days and only then she went to her patrol area. Moreover, before its release there was no passage of "big hunters", which for the Americans was one of the indirect evidence of the upcoming exit.
  5. beeper
    beeper 23 December 2017 21: 56
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    Something nowhere else I meet the history of the search of the raised parts of the K-129, which became known during the years of "perestroika and glasnost". Either in Komsomolskaya Pravda or somewhere else, but I read with my own eyes that the Americans had a real hunt for gold jewelry (wedding rings) and hours of dead submariners, competed among themselves which of them would find more of such "artifacts". According to the recollections of these “seekers,” the smell, after drainage, was very unpleasant and the cut-off decks were pressed together so that they had to crawl between them. Something was about stripes on robes, according to which Americans determined that corpses of crew members belonged to one or another ship service ... it was a long time ago, so I'm afraid to “recall” something superfluous, known to me from other sources, and not from that specific notes on "K-129."
    I read a book on the Internet about the operations of the "research" nuclear submarine "Halibat" and the driving role in this, Admiral Rikover, there are very detailed about the "Azorian" and the direct search for our dead submarine, even there are photos of those that "clicked along the way" , in particular, the famous snapshot of the skeleton in boots at the bottom next to the case ... - I have no links to the book, the word "special operations" was in the title, the American author wrote, involved in these very special operations. By the way, the position of our dead submarine there is described not at all as in the Article, but only with a slight roll to the damaged side, something like an American submariner "lying like an eyewitness?"
    In general, to “K-129” I breathe unevenly, like to “S-80”, the fate of these ships and their crews is very tragic and shrouded in mystery, but, nevertheless, they were found and raised from the bottom of the sea (“K -129 "partially raised, although it is believed that the Americans, nevertheless, raised all its parts). The miners and the submariners have in common-DEPTH ...!
    hi
  6. tolancop
    tolancop 23 December 2017 23: 48
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    Quote: glory1974
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    The last honors were given to those people who discovered the dead, and did so in accordance with the naval tradition. The fact that the Americans acted humanly is a plus for them, did not expect this from them.

    As far as I know, the last honors are given not according to tradition, but according to the charter. Well, and what kind of charter did the Americans use when burying SOVIET sailors: the Soviet Navy or US NAVY?
    The Americans acted “humanly” - they ravaged and robbed an ALIEN grave. There is something to plus ....
    1. linkor11
      linkor11 24 December 2017 00: 47
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      tolancop, why are you so angry. I saw a documentary about this story. And yet, yes, the Americans acted HUMANLY, and buried Soviet sailors to the sounds of the Soviet anthem. And the coffins, before being buried in the ocean, were covered with the Soviet flag. But don’t you know the story about how the Soviet multi-purpose submarine surfaced in the location of an American warrant to transfer the sailor to the Americans for an emergency operation, and, thanks to this, the sailor survived. Is that what enemies do?
      1. beeper
        beeper 24 December 2017 01: 03
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        Nevertheless, this did not at all prevent the American "partners" from stealing and robbing the mass grave of the SOVIET sailors secretly ?!
  7. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 24 December 2017 11: 04
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    https://topwar.ru/34410-vorovstvo-vernyy-priznak-
    prisutstviya-vms-ssha.html The topic has been previously discussed, see comments. There are photos and videos.
  8. tolancop
    tolancop 24 December 2017 17: 57
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    Quote: linkor11
    tolancop, why are you so angry ...

    I'm not evil, I'm the most ordinary. I just know how to distinguish a turd under a beautiful candy wrapper.
    Quote: linkor11
    .. I saw a documentary about this story. And yet, yes, the Americans acted HUMANLY, and buried Soviet sailors to the sounds of the Soviet anthem. And the coffins, before being buried in the ocean, were covered with the Soviet flag ....

    Soviet sailors were buried in the sturdy hull of their boat. THIS was their grave. Continue to continue or guess yourself? Apparently, we have different concepts about ORDER and HUMANITY.
    Quote: linkor11
    ..... And don’t you know the story about how the Soviet multi-purpose nuclear submarine surfaced in the location of an American warrant to transfer the sailor to the Americans for an emergency operation, and, thanks to this, the sailor survived. Is that what enemies do?

    The salvation of the Soviet sailor at the request of the commander of the Soviet ship does not justify the Americans in the history of the K-129.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 24 December 2017 23: 04
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      tolancop Today, 17:57
      Soviet sailors were buried in the sturdy hull of their boat. THIS was their grave. Continue to continue or guess yourself? Apparently, we have different concepts about ORDER and HUMANITY.

      Do not get excited.
      concealment in due time by the Soviet government of the fact of the death of K-129

      And it led to the fact that the deceased submarine did not receive the status of a "naval burial", that is, "in fact" became "ownerless."
      If the wreckage of the ship is in international waters, then the Brussels Convention of 1910 comes into force: the one who finds the “ownerless” ship belongs to it.

      But here there are problems of rendering military honors during burial in the event of the raising of a sunken ship (vessel). We will name some of them: whether it is necessary to give honors, what is their ritual, where to carry out a burial in case of raising a ship and identifying the body of a crew member (at sea or on shore), how to carry out burial (individually or collectively) after that, according to the laws (rules) the flag state of the sunken object or the flag state of the lifeguard registration.
      The analysis of international legal acts and domestic legislation shows that they do not contain direct answers to the questions posed.
      International standards allow burial both at sea and on shore, if possible individually, according to national rites.
      In the already mentioned actions of the American Navy during the burial of the remains of Soviet sailors from the K-129 submarine, the ritual looked as follows.

      The officer in charge recorded in the event log: “Latitude 40 ° north, longitude 180 ° east. A ritual of the burial of six Soviet submariners according to the marine customs of their country was performed”
    2. Serg koma
      Serg koma 30 December 2017 14: 40
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      Quote: tolancop
      Apparently, we have different concepts about ORDER and HUMANITY.

      Have you been to the Hermitage (or another museum) for a long time? Do you know the concept of "archeology"? Or are they all INCORRECT people ??? So do not look at Scythian gold (it is from MOGIL), close your eyes to mummies, etc. etc.
      In this case, OURS, if there was such an opportunity (or maybe it was), they would have acted in exactly the same way, would have lifted, gutted, and then, depending on secrecy, they would have acted with the found bodies either this way or given (if declassified), or even buried in a landfill in bags like garbage.
      PS one of many, many materials (the first one that came across, albeit "old")
      The local administration called the remains of Soviet soldiers "a sack of bones." Soldiers and officers of the Red Army are not allowed to be buried even in a mass grave
      https://utro.ru/articles/2011/09/12/998077.shtml
      Nine bags of human remains, presumably from World War II, were found in the Kalachevsky District of the Volgograd Region.

      http://v1.ru/text/gorod/41701066657792.html
      In these fragments, "ORDER AND HUMANITY" OF OUR "Vanks do not remember kinship," and not foreign Yanks. am