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At the Olympics - go!

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Russia is hotly debating the question of whether Russian athletes should take part in the Winter Olympic Games on the terms put forward by the IOC, i.e. without a flag, without a hymn and without identifying attributes on the uniform of the members of the country's Olympic team.


Opinions are diametrically opposed. Some people, including many athletes, say “to go,” others say that this is a “humiliation of the country”, therefore “it is impossible to go in any case.”

Opponents of participation in the Olympiad give very sharp arguments, recalling the heroic history Russia and examples of feats contemporaries. Supporters of participation argue their position by saying that the flag and anthem are in the heart, and the world already knows what country these athletes represent.

As an outside observer, I want to express my thoughts on this topic.

First, people insult and humiliate each other every day, and several times. But few of them died or lost their face, their “I.”

Secondly, it is possible to humiliate only when the person himself believes that he has been humiliated. If he misses the negative in his address, then the vis-à-vis will dissolve into the air.

Thirdly, Russia is not a country that can be humiliated with impunity. From her story it is well known that sooner or later the adversaries received tinsel. The main thing is to be patient and wait for the X hour. I would like to give as an example not the outcome of the Great Patriotic War, but the three hundred year old Mongol-Tatar yoke, under which Ancient Russia was located. It was really a humiliation when the Russian principalities paid tribute to the aggressors for three centuries. But the Horde has disappeared, and Russia is alive! Why? Because internally the Russian people did not bend over. Do not lose heart and now, especially because of some kind of Olympiad.

Fourthly, Russian athletes still have the right to participate in the Olympics. Consider it a humiliation is not worth it. After all, no one in the country considered humiliation the exclusion of Russia from the G8 or PACE. Russia does not have access to these structures, but to the Olympiad.

Fifthly, sport is just one of the varieties of human activity. On it, life is not obsessed, and it is not something that radically affects the meaning of the existence of peoples. Therefore, to any sports should be treated calmly, without hysteria. People lived for centuries without sports and Olympiads. As soon as you stop attaching such an overestimated importance to sports of any rank, the psychosis on this occasion will immediately leave you, and benevolent peace will reign in your souls.

Sixth, we all know perfectly well who and why launched a large-scale anti-Russian slanderous campaign. The reasons are also known to everyone: Russia ceased to execute commands from across the ocean, resurrected in its former power, satisfied the desire of the Crimeans to restore historical justice and return to their true sources. The Americans did not like this, because they planned through the next "Maidan" to expel the Russian Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol and introduce their flotilla, and thus inflict the most powerful moral damage on Russia. But that did not happen. And the Americans went wild and launched a disgusting information war with their henchmen. US-European intriguers openly told the Russian diplomatic corps that they would in every possible way disavow everything that Russia was doing. One of the directions of this vile and cowardly policy was chosen sport.

Seventh, only naive can believe that there are “clean” and “dirty” athletes. Sport has long been not a competition of muscles, but a dope battle. Every human body has a limit of possibilities. Only training can achieve outstanding results only very talented athletes. But they are not able to show good results for a long time. Without the help of pharmaceutical products can not do. Some medications help muscles acquire superpowers stronger, some - weaker. That is, it is not people who compete with each other, but medical preparations. Therefore, the fight against doping was declared. But there has not been without fraud. Since WADA is dominated by representatives of Western countries, many drugs that are used by their athletes are not included in the list of prohibited ones, but non-doping drugs that are used by Russian athletes are included. In addition, Western athletes are officially allowed to use illegal drugs under various pretexts. Therefore, the anti-Russian doping scandal is a well-directed, but absolutely unfair action. That is why Russian society should not be hysterical. Any medicine can be dopeed depending on a conjuncture as well as any potent doping can be declared a common cold medicine. Alas, this is an objective, albeit sad, reality. Political games around the sport will never end. The struggle of pharmaceutical companies among themselves, including the non-inclusion of their products in the WADA list, will not end either. So have patience and buy more popcorn to contemplate this unsightly and endless spectacle, but do not fall into prostration and do not enter into interstitial verbal lists. What has been said in this paragraph does not mean that all athletes are dopingists. But they all use those and other stimulant drugs, including those that contribute to accelerated recovery of strength after many hours of hard training. The problem is that some drugs are listed as banned, and some are not. Moreover, the selection criteria are not just dubious, but frankly corrupt. That is, the decisions of WADA are far from perfect and fair. Proof of this is at least the recent doping scandal that broke out on December 18 2017 in the United States in connection with an article published in the British newspaper The Telegraph, which tells about the use of doping by American athletes.

Eighth, it is not worth declaring Russian athletes who have expressed a desire to take part in the Olympiad as traitors to their homeland. They betray nobody and nothing. The announcement of a boycott is exactly what the Americans were waiting for. The boycott would be immediately attributed to V. Putin, and a massive information attack on the Russians would begin, they say, the “evil empire” and Stalinism would once again revive. The West wanted to have a reason to turn the people of Russia against V. Putin. But V. Putin is not a fool, so he did not fall for this bait.

Ninth, athletes have been preparing for the Olympic Games for years, spend a lot of strength and energy, exercising every day until exhaustion, deny themselves ordinary human joys, stay away from their families, wives, children, etc. for a long time. And to lose participation in the Olympiad is a big tragedy for them, primarily in moral terms, and not in material terms, as would-be patriots say. In no case should they be prohibited from participating in what is the purpose of their short sports life.

Tenth, who and what won from the boycotts of the 1980 and 1984 Olympiads? Everyone was the loser, since both Olympiads were not complete. The strongest must compete with the strongest. The victory gained in a fight with equals cannot be compared with anything. Therefore, let Russian athletes prove in practice that they are not sewn, and let the whole world see it.

Eleventh, patriotism is not striking oneself in the chest, waving a flag, singing a hymn and shouting out loud slogans. Patriotism is love for one's homeland, respect for one’s fellow citizens and ability to unite in the face of a common threat. Today, as in the old days, Russia is threatened by the collective West, and it can resist only if it does not succumb to external provocations, shows wisdom and does not allow it to shake itself from the inside, not allowing the second Gorbachev to come to power in the country. Therefore, the Russians should unite around V. Putin and ardently support their athletes, who decided in such a difficult situation to defend the honor and dignity of the great Russia.

In the twelfth, because no one died, and the country did not collapse when the Russian Paralympic team was excluded from participation in the Summer Paralympic Games in Rio de Janeiro. There was not only the flag and anthem of Russia, but none of the Russian Paralympians at all. And in Pkhenchkhane Russian Olympians will be. As they say, feel the difference.

Thirteenth, when Russian intelligence officers perform their duty in the enemy’s rear, they do not imagine where they do not sing the national anthem, and do not wave the Russian flag in public. But in their souls they carry the love of their Fatherland and secretly work in the name of its good. Imagine that Russian Olympians are your undercover agents, who are faced with the task of benefiting Russia on the Phenchkhan sports grounds, and everything in your head will fall into place.

Fourteenth, in 1992, the national team of the republics of the former USSR performed at the Olympics without a flag and a hymn, but none of the athletes found themselves humiliated and no one in their independent countries called their Olympians traitors. So then the circumstances, and all reacted to this with understanding. Today, the situation is different, created by enemies deliberately. But it is also necessary to treat it with the same wise understanding and not to divide our fellow citizens into traitors and patriots. In this case, more patriots are athletes who decide to go to the Olympics than couch heroes who fill the Internet with their verbiage, but they themselves have not done anything worthwhile for the benefit of Russia.

Fifteenth, people tend to fetish any object or phenomenon. This is a rudiment of paganism. That only humanity did not recognize the sacred - and stones, and plants, and animals, and stars, and planets, and signs, and numbers, and mythical creatures invented by themselves, etc. But in reality, it's all nonsense. In the recent past, many of the Russians now living considered the flag and anthem of the Soviet Union sacred. But for more than a quarter of a century, the new flag and the new text of the anthem of Russia have become sacred. That is, these citizens have been patriots of the USSR for a long time, and now they have become patriots of the Russian Federation. And nothing happened to them. It means that you shouldn’t beat your head against the wall due to some conventions, besides not being constant.

Sixteenth, at this winter Olympics, Russian athletes will win 5 or 7 gold medals at best. Therefore, the flag will not be raised and the anthem will not be played the entire 5 or 7 time. And because of this nonsense, you Russians intend to devour each other? By golly, this is ridiculous.

Seventeenth, the flag and anthem of Russia will not be only at the Olympics in South Korea, but no one took them away from you. Who is stopping you from downloading the anthem of your homeland on the Internet and turning it on when someone was awarded the gold medal to a Russian Olympian? You can also easily buy a flag or flag of Russia and proudly hold it high above your head to mark the triumph of your compatriot. This will be a manifestation of true patriotism.

Eighteenth, unfortunately, in Russia there are many agents of influence of Western special services and corrupt spaghetti a la Gorbachev. But even more regretful is the fact that among Russians, for various reasons, there are many hurray-patriots who are not able to think in a sane manner. What they write against their athletes, it seems to them, is patriotism. But this is not patriotism, it is a patriotic rage. Their main accusation is that athletes are focused only on money and go to the Olympiad exclusively for their sake. What kind of money can we talk about if the chances of winning a medal in the current situation are minimized? And then, again, the sports age is very short. If an athlete earns some money while he is still full of strength, what is criminal about that? All people are engaged in one or another type of activity in order to earn their living. This is natural and normal. So why do you blame athletes, just like you, who want to earn money for their existence by their exhausting work? In addition, winter Olympians do not earn as much as, say, tennis players, football players, basketball players and others. It is shameful not the desire of athletes to perform at the Olympiad, but the behavior of their compatriots, who arranged for them an unfair obstruction on the Internet.

Nineteenth, there is nothing deadly in the absence of identifying symbols. I will give a simple example. When they offer a good job, but without official registration, few people will refuse, because they need work and earnings. That is, figuratively speaking, the absence of a work book does not inflict serious moral damage not only on those who work at this job, but also on the people around them. The main thing is that the work was done in a timely and efficient manner. It is the same with the Russian Olympians - they must perform with dignity, despite the absence of formal signs of their presence.

In the twenties, on the shirts of Russians, it will be written: "Olympic athlete from Russia." The IOC thinks that by this it insults the representatives of Russia and its people as a whole. But in fact, your athletes are Olympic athletes from Russia! Not from Zimbabwe or Vanuatu! So the pseudo-patriot psychosis on this matter looks awkward and inappropriate.

Twenty-first, without any exaggeration, it can be argued that Russian athletes who decided to go to the Olympiad, where they were prepared for a hostile and uncomfortable situation, in fact, accomplish the feat. There is a high probability that the Americans, together with their satraps, will organize anti-Russian provocations and booing of Russian Olympians in Pkhenchkhane. Who among you, the sofa heroes and verbiage, would voluntarily put yourself under such wild pressure? I'm sure no one. If you are not able to find the strength and reason to support, then at least you can not speak evil of your countrymen?

Secondly, after the Rio Olympiad, the IOC decided that if a country or its team announced a boycott and did not appear at the Olympics, it would be barred from participating in these competitions for two Olympic cycles. A question for frantic patriots: will it be easier for you if Russia forfeits the right to participate in winter and summer olympiads for the next eight years? Restrain your foolishness and understand that the Russians certainly need to go to South Korea in February 2018.

Twenty-thirds, who is a traitor to the motherland, and who is not, decides the court. In the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation there is no article on the qualification of the participation of athletes in the Olympic Games without a flag and the anthem of Russia as a "betrayal." In addition, have you really, patriots, still not understood that the participation of Russians in the upcoming competitions in the arenas of Pkhenchkhan was discussed in advance with the leadership of your state? And the way it was presented, fully consistent with the prevailing realities. Understand, so it was necessary to do. Therefore, stop complexes and howl on the Internet, as well as with schizophrenic aplomb to talk about what you have no idea.

Twenty-four, as already mentioned above, if Russian athletes do not go to the Olympics in South Korea, Russia will miss two Olympic cycles. What will be the consequences? The best Russian athletes will begin to take citizenship of other countries, i.e. we will witness the outflow of the elite of Russian sports. The cherished dream of athletes - Olympic gold. To blame them for this dream is tantamount to blaming any filmmaker for wanting to receive an Oscar or any physicist — the Nobel Prize. If, as a citizen of Russia, an athlete knows that he has no chance of getting to the Olympiad, he, of course, will look for ways to fulfill his dream. In this case, a forced change of citizenship. However, he does not become a traitor and in his heart remains a patriot of his homeland. In addition, not only mature athletes will be going abroad, but parents will start exporting their children to other countries who have high sports hopes, since in Russia they will have no Olympic prospects. And no one has the right to criticize or accuse them of collaborationism. As a result, Russia will lose the sport of higher achievements. Only physical education and mass sports will remain. And this means that in the country there will be no athletes who could adequately represent the great Russia not only at the Olympiads, but also at the world championships, Europe, etc. Do you want that? Being in common sense, no one will want such a homeland. So calm down, vociferous patriots, for your current patriotism is harmful, insane and looks like paranoia.

Twenty-fifth, you do not own even a hundredth of the information that the leadership of your state has. If the president, the government, the ROC, and the Olympians decided to go to the Olympics, despite all the negative circumstances, then it must be so. And the white flag in this case is not a flag of surrender and loss of dignity, but, on the contrary, a symbol of inflexibility, bright reason, pure thoughts, faith in justice and in one’s own strength.

Twenty-sixth, Galileo recanted aloud from his convictions, but in his heart he sounded: "And yet it turns." After all, no one can forbid Russian Olympians and fans to sing the Russian national anthem during the awards ceremony, whatever tune may sound official. Russian flags in the stands are also not prohibited. If everything is properly organized, then Russian fans in South Korea could draw to the singing of their hymn and fans from other countries, for example, by distributing to them the text of the hymn written in Latin. Nobody has canceled the international solidarity of progressive humanists.

Seventh-seventh, the decision of the IOC was made, relatively speaking, in two stages. At the first stage, it was decided to punish Russia for the massive use of doping by its athletes. The fact that this decision does not hold water is discussed above. If the country as a whole is punished, it means that there should not be its state symbols at the Olympiad: a flag, a coat of arms, a hymn. I hope everyone understands this. Further, at the second stage, it was decided to allow privately to participate in the Olympic Games those Russian athletes to whom WADA has no complaints. Please note in private, and not as representatives of the country. This is the subtlety of the situation: Russian Olympians are going to the Olympiad as individuals at the personal invitation of the IOC. That is, in this case, the flag and anthem of Russia are not provided for by definition. Only those who for the preceding four years won the corresponding license are traveling. It is obvious that there is no reason to talk about any treachery, humiliation and self-interest in relation to the Russian Olympians. As soon as you, terry patriots, understand this nuance, all your reckless accusatory rhetoric against your athletes will come to naught.

In conclusion, I want to stress once again: Russia cannot be destroyed by attacks from the outside. This can only happen if Gorbachevs from the “fifth column” come to power in it, ready to bend to the West for the sake of indulgent patting Uncle Sam. Russia is indestructible, as long as its people are united and do not seek to undermine their own state foundations.



External enemies led by the United States are trying to bring discord into Russian society by any means, without shying away from any lies and meanness. The decision of the IOC to ban the Russian flag, anthem and symbols at the Winter Olympics was made under the savage pressure of American-European provocateurs. And this is not the last blow. The Russians should keep their ears open and not join in the altercation between themselves because of the regular attacks on their country.

Even a million Olympic games are not worth the Crimea alone. Even a billion olympiads are not worth Russia, the cohesion and well-being of its citizens, as well as the integrity and inviolability of its borders.

Russians, take care of your great Motherland, do not reflect on the intrigues of Western enemies, keep calm and endurance, curb your emotions, be above your mind and stronger in spirit overseas nonentities and know that the time will come - and all your enemies will get what they deserve. But if you quarrel with each other because of the Olympics, it will mean that your enemies have reached their goal. Do not allow such a turn of events.

I wish you peace, harmony, sanity and prosperity! Stay yourself so that no one from the outside can disturb your balance and deprive you of your unique identity!
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  1. ImPerts
    ImPerts 26 December 2017 06: 03 New
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    Thanks to the author for the kind words in the article!
    Our athletes can regain our faith in them if they bring victory against the background of such pressure and hysteria.
    And so, let them go. Preparing the same ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 26 December 2017 06: 10 New
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      Yes, of course. Only at his own expense. And about the victories .... Let's see if suddenly anyone is able to do it, will he raise the flag of Russia?
      Quote: ImPerts
      Thanks to the author for the kind words in the article!
      Our athletes can regain our faith in them if they bring victory against the background of such pressure and hysteria.
      And so, let them go. Preparing the same ...
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 26 December 2017 06: 12 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Only at your own expense.

        The money is already spent.
        Although at the expense of Mutko and Zhukov will save.
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 26 December 2017 09: 17 New
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          Mudko has already been removed from the money bag, albeit temporarily. And he should sit and compensate for the damage caused to the country by his activities. Regarding to go or not to go. Here is a fresh example of the identity of the people. Qatar chess players refused to speak at the World Cup without a flag. Https: // vz.ru/news/2017/12/25/901213.print.
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      2. verner1967
        verner1967 26 December 2017 07: 52 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Let’s see if suddenly anyone will be able to do this, will he raise the flag of Russia?

        what for? To immediately disqualify and take away the victory? And so it is clear that this is our athlete. The author correctly noted in the article
        patriotism is not blowing oneself in the chest, waving a flag, singing a hymn and shouting loud slogans.
        the main thing is that this medal will not go to an athlete from the EU or the USA and God forbid that would happen.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 26 December 2017 10: 39 New
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          Quote: verner1967
          The author correctly noted in the article
          patriotism is not blowing oneself in the chest, waving a flag, singing a hymn and shouting loud slogans.

          Yeah, according to the author, patriotism is patient demolition spitting and insults from American athletes and their allies:
          where they are destined for a hostile and uncomfortable environment, they actually perform a feat.
          fool
          Comparisons of athletes with secret scouts are generally beyond reason.
          Or that:,
          because no one died, and the country did not collapse when the Russian Paralympic team was suspended from participation in the Summer Paralympic Games in Rio de Janeiro.

          I assure the author that the country (and even the world) will not collapse if Russian athletes do not appear in Korea.
          Also, to the author, I note that the country can NOT declare a boycott - it has already been removed, for the IOC it already does not exist (yet). Some invited athletes will come or not come, it’s not important for the IOC, they are not a country. So, there’s no question of removing the country for the next rounds of speech — Zhukov is just Lying.
          IOC INVITED of individual athletes who agree to all humiliation, and their choice-accept this invitation- handout or not.
          Normal people, at least out of solidarity with their illegally suspended comrades, would NOT have to go. IMHO.
          PS By the way, in the former repubics, many riding Russian athletes to the Olympics is perceived exactly this way — they bent and humiliated Russia, and she agreed with this and that, the Nazis are gloating.
          Nesda-was perceived much more respectfully.
          1. 11 black
            11 black 30 December 2017 11: 26 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            I assure the author that the country (and even the world) will not collapse if Russian athletes do not appear in Korea.

            Well, and who will feel better from this? Let's go - that means we’ll look at Athletes from Russia, I’m sure that millions of them will be rooting for them, including myself, so it’s good that we went.
            IOC and WADA did the opposite. And each medal under SUCH conditions will cost a dozen ordinary medals.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Yeah, according to the author, patriotism is a patient demolition of spitting and insults from American athletes and their allies:

            The author never said anything like that and didn’t even mean, but that patriotism is not blowing oneself in the chest, waving a flag, singing a hymn and shouting loud slogans the author is absolutely right.
            Quote: Olgovich
            I will also note to the author that the country can’t declare a boycott - it has already been removed, for the IOC it already does NOT exist (yet). Some invited athletes will come or not come, it’s not important for the IOC, they are not a country. So, there’s no question of any removal of the country for the next rounds of speech — Zhukov is just Lying.

            They are not a country - they are "Athletes from Russia". And “Athletes from Russia” can be removed as much as they can and must be removed in case of a boycott. And who then will go from Russia to the following Olympiads? Who will feel better from this?
            Quote: Olgovich
            The IOC INVITES individual athletes who agree to all humiliation, and their choice is to accept this invitation, a handout or not.

            Their choice is to go through these humiliations. Do not accept, but overcome! And it was a difficult choice for them.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Normal people, at least out of solidarity with their illegally suspended comrades, would NOT have to go. IMHO.

            And they would be suspended from subsequent Olympiads. And we would look at the Olympics without our athletes, which is what they are striving for.
            No - I’m sure that taking at least a podium will be the best answer to the West in this situation.
            Quote: Olgovich
            By the way, in the former repubics, many riding Russian athletes to the Olympics is just what is perceived — Russia was bent and humiliated, and she agreed with this and that, the Nazis are gloating.

            Yes, do not give a damn about what they think in these republics laughing
            They themselves have never been in such a situation, they can only giggle from the side.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Nesda-was perceived much more respectfully.

            And the place on the podium will be taken even more respectfully. They took a chance - I hope they win.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 30 December 2017 12: 16 New
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              Quote: 11 black
              And they would be suspended from subsequent Olympiads.

              Once again, athletes are NOT a country, they represent only MYSELF, they are Olympic citizenship! And for the boycott only the COUNTRY that announced it is removed!
              IOC INVITED them, but did not allow it. They can come, maybe not. Refusal of an invitation by any sanctions is not punishable
              WHAT is not clear?
              1. 11 black
                11 black 30 December 2017 14: 24 New
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                Quote: Olgovich
                Once again, athletes are NOT a country, they represent only MYSELF, they are Olympic citizenship! And for the boycott only the COUNTRY that announced it is removed!
                IOC INVITED them, but did not allow it. They can come, maybe not. Refusal of an invitation by any sanctions is not punishable
                WHAT is not clear?

                Now, if they ONLY refused, then probably yes, but to whom it would become easier? The Olympics without “Athletes from Russia” is what they are achieving. Personally, I, like many others, have high hopes for our red car and would be saddened by their refusal to go to the Olympics ... to the delight of America and Canada.
                A refusal with loud and unflattering statements to the IOC and WADA (namely the demarche) would certainly have consequences. THAT is all I wanted to say.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 30 December 2017 21: 55 New
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                  Quote: 11 black
                  Now, if they ONLY refused, then probably yes, but to whom it would become easier? The Olympics without “Athletes from Russia” is what they are achieving. Personally, I, like many others, have high hopes for our red car and would be saddened by their refusal to go to the Olympics ... to the delight of America and Canada.

                  They have already ACHIEVED: Russia - DISSOLVED. Athletes are NOT Russia.
                  Quote: 11 black
                  A refusal with loud and unflattering statements to the IOC and WADA (namely the demarche) would certainly have consequences. THAT is all I wanted to say.

                  You were invited, you did not come: WHAT are the consequences? belay There are no such rules!
        2. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 26 December 2017 13: 35 New
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          Quote: verner1967
          what for? To immediately disqualify and take away the victory? And so it is clear that this is our athlete.

          Victory has already been taken if you still do not understand.
          You know, for some reason you still want to compare this situation with a sabotage group on the territory of the enemy.
          It’s one thing if ours, dressed in someone else’s uniform, without patches, documents and a flag, fulfill the strategic task of the command, and the enemy does not know who you are and what your goals are. It’s another that the enemy calculated you, took off your epaulettes, took your flag and awards, exposed and publicly “convicted” “captured saboteurs” in front of all your allies, and for that he personally favored each “saboteur” who was not noticed in connection with the command , under full control, dressed up in an identification white uniform to continue the "secret" operation. Who do you think will benefit from this "secret" mission?)
          Maybe not quite correct, chaotically put it, but something like that ...
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 26 December 2017 16: 51 New
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            Quote: Sovetskiy
            Victory has already been taken if you still do not understand.

            Exactly. The question is not in the humiliation of athletes personally, but in EXTRACTING the country from the list of countries that have the right to participate in the Olympics. That is, whether or not our athletes go to the Olympic Games, our country will not be there de facto.
            where they are destined for a hostile and uncomfortable environment, they actually perform a feat.

            And what kind of feat is this, the author will not tell? A feat to perform under the white flag and, in case of taking a gold medal, get an apartment, a car or money for it? That is, the author has no idea what the Feat is in principle.
            patriotism is not blowing oneself in the chest, waving a flag, singing a hymn and shouting loud slogans.

            But the soldiers who in the Second World War, waving the flag and dying on the battlefield were not patriots? Or, for example, the hockey Red Machine as a whole, apparently also not patriots, winning everything that is possible, and then, crying, looked like the flag of the USSR rises to the anthem of their country?
            The author is a clear adherent of the view that they say that if some athletes go, it will only be for the good of the country and that someday, on day X, the West will get what it deserves. But for some reason, the author is silent about the fact that the athletes who go to the Olympics go essentially to earn money and grants, and not to glorify their country. For this very reason, they did not see families, denied themselves everything and so on ... and not out of a deep sense of patriotism.
            Everything is now politicized, starting from Eurovision and ending with sports. And today, there is a war on all fronts. Values, morality, principles that we uphold against those values ​​that live in the West. Smother, start playing according to the rules of the West and all our values, culture, the concept of good and evil can be forgotten. And the author suggests playing according to Western rules, dreaming of the very day of retribution, which, according to all the laws of the historical genre, will come. But the one who plays by the rules of others, obviously dooms himself to losing.
      3. bandabas
        bandabas 26 December 2017 13: 45 New
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        I understand the young. This is their chance. Moreover, it is to earn both fame and wealth. Olympic flag in their hands. Indeed, this is a chance. But! When the "broken Plushenko" with the "Royal Bablan" is going. This is just plain ugly.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 26 December 2017 07: 39 New
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      What difference does it make to us to go or not to go? It is not for us to decide what to do the sports business, as well as other things. Our business is to look at it in the box and pay taxes, even if you don’t look. winked
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 26 December 2017 07: 54 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        Our business is to look at it in the box and pay taxes, even if you don’t look.

        It’s good that so far it’s not like in Germany, you have to pay for the availability of a TV:
        "... Germany residents have long been forced to pay about 18 euros per month as a tax on television, radio, the Internet, which is about 220 euros per year for a household. These requisitions were lobbied at the state level by several telemagnets. In total, the Germans replenish their budget about 8 million euros per month. Everyone is required to pay, except for the deaf-mute and those who have no work. Even if you don’t watch TV. Even if you don’t have it ... "
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 26 December 2017 11: 46 New
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          But in Germany there is no Mikhalkov and the people do not pay tax on blanks for recording. laughing
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 27 December 2017 05: 42 New
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            Quote: siberalt
            and people do not pay tax on blanks for recording.

            I'm afraid it would be wrong, but it seems that this was just written on Western patterns.
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 26 December 2017 10: 28 New
        26

        The bug is small and smelly, but knows what honor and dignity are, and they do not say that they have been preparing all their lives.
        Therefore, stop complexing and howling on the Internet, as well as with schizophrenic aplomb, to rant about what you have no idea.

        Since 1985, I have heard this nonsense, you have been sitting, turn this cheek for spitting and everyone is under this sauce. Let them go, but since they are neutral, even if they go at their own expense.
      3. bandabas
        bandabas 27 December 2017 22: 09 New
        +2
        I tried to look completely in the same Korea in 1988. There was a team. Our boxers did everything. They were the last Games in the history of the national teams of the USSR and the GDR, which during the 70s and 80s won most of the awards. And not only in the personal, but also in the team standings.
    3. Winnie76
      Winnie76 26 December 2017 07: 58 New
      21
      Quote: ImPerts
      Our athletes can regain our faith in them if they bring victory against the background of such pressure and hysteria.
      And so, let them go. Preparing the same ..

      How about solidarity with Paralympics? Aren't you ashamed to go after this? The country was barked right in the face. For such tricks, you need to spend a lesson .. head on the battery. And our heroic athletes amicably declare that it is God's dew. There is an excellent saying about the article - Desire is a thousand possibilities, unwillingness is a thousand reasons.
    4. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 26 December 2017 08: 59 New
      13
      Quote: ImPerts
      And so, let them go. Preparing the same ...

      as many say: at their own expense. or personally Mutko let him sponsor.
      read the news yesterday: "Qatar chess players decided not to play at the World Rapid and Blitz Championship, which will be held on December 26-30 in Riyadh ... After the organizers of the World Cup refused to raise the Qatari flag at the competitions.", and for some reason I felt a little envious.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 26 December 2017 09: 55 New
        21
        There are such concepts as “HONOR” and “DIGNITY”, without which many live comfortably. A popular saying has been made about such people: "..... in the eye - God's dew will say." All.
        The author is a pragmatist, will live without much. Wherever he is sent, he won’t challenge him to a duel.
        1. Nonna
          Nonna 26 December 2017 11: 28 New
          +7
          Quote: Victor N
          The author is a pragmatist, will live without much. Wherever he is sent, he won’t challenge him to a duel.


          In general, who is this author? why does Uzbekistan say that Russian is good and what's bad? Let it be better that he writes about his people and on his resources, the Uzbek guest workers teach correctly to fill out income declarations. Our mentality is different. So it happened - my family has relatives - Uzbeks, my grandfather. So I know very well how the Uzbeks were more prosperous, bought up their sons with rams and money from military registration and enlistment offices, so that they would not be taken to the Great Patriotic War. Who was worse - in the villages, they hid in the mountains. As they worked from time immemorial on bais, they continue. Their whole philosophy - no matter what happens, I’m very afraid of mine. VO does not need to post such vile articles. This is not your level.
          1. White and fluffy
            White and fluffy 27 December 2017 06: 19 New
            +3
            The author teaches Russians tolerance (patriotism). To be patient is everything according to God's will. Do not fight and please. Ugh!
        2. BLOND
          BLOND 30 December 2017 11: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Victor N
          Russian athletes at best will win 5 or 7 gold medals. Therefore, the flag will not rise and the anthem will not sound only 5 or 7 times. And because of this nonsense do you Russians intend to devour each other? By golly, this is ridiculous.

          Where is the author from? Troll is not local Your author
      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 26 December 2017 09: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: Winnie76
        How about solidarity with Paralympics?

        Quote: K0
        as many say: at their own expense. or personally Mutko let him sponsor.

        Money was pledged, no one will withdraw it.
        Let it roll.
        I still won’t sit at the TV and watch. And I won’t dig into the news feeds.
    5. BecmepH
      BecmepH 26 December 2017 10: 23 New
      12
      Quote: ImPerts
      Thanks to the author for the kind words in the article!

      Such nonsense has not yet been here. At first I wanted to answer, but I realized that this was impossible. In each, I repeat, at each point of contradiction. The author contradicts himself. It contradicts and judges us. Who are you to judge and condemn us? Express your opinion and relax. And not for you to judge who is a greater patriot
      1. Buffet
        Buffet 26 December 2017 11: 22 New
        +2
        And not for you either ... And this is his opinion.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 26 December 2017 11: 31 New
          +9
          Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
          And not for you either ... And this is his opinion.

          Why not me? I’m from Russia, and a foreigner is teaching me Russian patriotism!
          And then, I do not impose my opinion on 27 points. And, I do not judge patriotism. Or, did you write this to be noted on the pages of the site?
          Or is there such a “movement” in the world that Uzbeks and Swedes know better what the Russians (Russian residents) need?
          1. Buffet
            Buffet 26 December 2017 22: 28 New
            +2
            Are you a little bit of a bo bo ???))) It actually smells like racial hostility and an attempt to incite ethnic hatred. You’re kind of hysterical, and it’s not beautiful. I will not say for the author, but even he is an Uzbek, this does not negate the fact that he is right, in my opinion, and I already know what generation the Russian is. And I took the oath like that. And if the “movement” has gone, is it now fashionable to be a “good patriot” like you? A garlopan patriot with a veil in his eyes from the anger that some Uzbek turned out to be right, and others support him ...
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 27 December 2017 05: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
              but even he is Uzbek

              You are naive))) He is the same Uzbek as you. This is a stuffing.
              Regarding ethnic hatred, you smack BAD. I did not insult anyone, unlike you, and did not say a single bad word about the Uzbeks. But you as soon as insulted me. You pay attention to your little head.
              This "Uzbek" did not say a single word after the article, but did you get nervous, "sapper"))) Or did you get a headache on the BAT?)))
              1. Buffet
                Buffet 27 December 2017 19: 35 New
                0
                Cite where I offended someone quote, can I?))) And I actually said that it "smells", read carefully. Well, if stuffing, then why are you reacting aggressively?) Read and go further. And what is it that all authors directly comment on their articles?) Yes, you worry about your health, otherwise throwing arrows in the style of "and you yourself are like that" is no longer fashionable at school, they say it is not masculine.
                1. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 28 December 2017 05: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
                  Cite where I offended someone quote, can I?)))

                  Yes please
                  You are quite the head of bo bo

                  You’re kind of hysterical, and it’s not beautiful.

                  is it now fashionable to be a "patriot" like you? Garlopan Patriot with a veil in her eyes from bitterness,
                  Excuses will be showered)))
                  1. Buffet
                    Buffet 28 December 2017 22: 15 New
                    0
                    This is an insult?)))) Yeahhhhhhh ... And you are a vulnerable person. I see nothing offensive. Fact and no more. You are a hysterical and unbalanced ur-patriot ... I can’t refuse words))
                    1. BecmepH
                      BecmepH 29 December 2017 05: 51 New
                      0
                      Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
                      You are hysterical and unbalanced

                      That you hysteria. Pounced on me and hang labels. Or do you stand up for yours?))))
                      Learned a new word
                      Urya Patriot
                      and where not poking him shortly))) Another time to learn a word. Reread your posts and think .. Why are you, my dear, pounced on me? You are biased. I won’t dive with you anymore. Useless. You can’t prove anything like that. Yes, and boring to prove something ...
      2. 97110
        97110 28 December 2017 13: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: BecmepH
        And not for you to judge who is a greater patriot

        I didn’t want to participate, but ... We are joyfully observing how Poland spread rot for Ukraine with the flag of Bandera, Hitler’s henchman. We spread rot on the athletes, as if they had betrayed the flag of the USSR, betrayed the memory of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War. And they do not fly under the "new" flag, as, apparently, the Uzbek Author wrote for excusable non-Russian ignorance. For him, the tricolor, of course, is the new flag of Russia. Some of us have a different memory. I don’t know how to compare the Bandera duplicor and our tricolor. Their black and red, at least not state.
    6. midivan
      midivan 26 December 2017 10: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: ImPerts
      Thanks to the author for the kind words in the article!

      There’s no warmer place and the Mongols are 300 years old, etc., etc., and who will tell us what to do, if not brothers from Uzbekistan yes et hint at Ukraine? Well, this is hell with him, I was indignant at one trifle because it is so designed, little things rarely slip away -
      [/ quote] Seventhly, only the naive can believe that there are "clean" and "dirty" athletes. Sport has long been not a muscle competition, but a doping battle
      .
      Yes, let me be naive, but that if I personally know one Olympic Paradise who has never used dope other than vodka, I ask, but you are “pulling” with them, and he is “pulling” so that he is the strongest in the world in his form at this moment, here’s his approximate answer- training at altitude, I didn’t even dream of such loads over the hill, I personally have a well-adjusted movement system, I myself came to this, healing starvation in Altai and the very chip, I quote - when I start, I have as the toggle switch clicks and only forward, I don’t feel tired until I cross the finish line! He has no legs, got under the car. To the question about the flag (in the summer it was) - I won’t go, only if I’m ordered from ........ Well, and to the topic of doping, but not in this sport, the Ironman participant is also familiar with the person -
      Ironman is a series of long-distance triathlon events held by the World Triathlon Corporation (WTC). Each individual race of the series consists of three stages carried out in the following order without interruption: a 2,4-mile (3,86 km) race, a 112-mile (180,25 km) race on a bicycle, and a 26,2 marathon miles (42,195 km). The Ironman Triathlon is considered one of the most challenging one-day competitions in the world. [Quote]
      Again, the question (I'm very curious) - kaaaak, what kind of dope? The answer is doping death, a training system, each has its own personal and does not repeat itself, since it is different organisms, he is a former surgeon himself, and I’ve seen how he prepares a couple of times in water until the ice rises, for example, in a hydro-suit. He really is only fifty kopecks of the world. And also ran the Marathon des Sables marathon (from the French - “Sandy marathon”), also known as the Sahara marathon - a six-day super marathon at a distance of about 250 km, which amounts to about six classic marathon distances. Competitions are held annually in Morocco in the Sahara desert. The first race took place in 1986. And now what can I say to the author, thanks? smile
    7. Buffet
      Buffet 26 December 2017 11: 21 New
      +1
      The author pleased ... Suddenly ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 26 December 2017 13: 43 New
        +6
        At the Olympics - go!
        -Crawl .. WITH A NAKED OPEN ... WITHOUT A FLAG AND HOMELAND, - on the way ... "universal people." Stalin- BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. 97110
          97110 28 December 2017 14: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Dead Day
          Stalin- BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          How do you imagine Stalin under the banner of the ROA? Fine?
    8. papas-57
      papas-57 26 December 2017 22: 37 New
      +1
      I also agree, let them go. But with one condition. If there WADA or the IOC offends them with something, like accusing them of doping (even if it’s unfair), removes them from the competition (well, they wanted to remove their competitor) or takes the medal on a made-up pretext, they didn’t ache upon arrival and did not complain about injustice. They themselves should think what awaits them at the Olympics.
    9. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 27 December 2017 22: 56 New
      +2
      ImPertz Yesterday, 06:03 It remains to lower the socks and stand up in a certain pose. fool negative
    10. iouris
      iouris 30 December 2017 03: 12 New
      0
      Quote: ImPerts
      Our athletes can regain our faith in them

      Only those who refuse to speak on such terms.
      Our athletes are required to go to court.
      At the Olympics - not good, in St. Petersburg - to drink!
  2. 210ox
    210ox 26 December 2017 06: 06 New
    19
    Indeed, no one in the country considered humiliation the exclusion of Russia from the GXNUMX or from PACE. Russia does not have access to these structures, but there is an olympiad. That's the essence of the article. The author from Uzbekistan does not understand the very essence of what is happening. Bear with me! And you will be rewarded! ??
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 26 December 2017 13: 46 New
      +2
      My homeland, you are crazy .... belay crying “that's when Russia ended.” - have they really gone mad? or really become "Russians" ???
  3. vitalm
    vitalm 26 December 2017 06: 08 New
    27
    Therefore, the flag will not rise and the anthem will not sound only 5 or 7 times. And because of this nonsense do you Russians intend to devour each other? By golly, this is ridiculous.

    Further, this opus did not even read. It just smacks of shit from these lines.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 26 December 2017 06: 17 New
      +4
      Yes, he won’t rise at all. For all the leading athletes have been removed .. In fact, why because of the decision of the Ivanes who do not know kinship to swear?
      Quote: vitalm
      Therefore, the flag will not rise and the anthem will not sound only 5 or 7 times. And because of this nonsense do you Russians intend to devour each other? By golly, this is ridiculous.

      Further, this opus did not even read. It just smacks of shit from these lines.
      1. ML-334
        ML-334 26 December 2017 06: 37 New
        +8
        As in that joke, let a goat, let pi-arast, but stayed alive.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 26 December 2017 13: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: ML-334
          As in that joke, let a goat, let pi-arast, but stayed alive.

          100500 times plus ... and cry ...
        2. Petr1968
          Petr1968 27 December 2017 13: 14 New
          0
          Quote: ML-334
          As in that joke, let a goat, let pi-arast, but stayed alive.

          It is necessary to show in the elections how we Russian patriots relate to such a government !!!
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 28 December 2017 12: 14 New
            +1
            To athletes? Do we really choose a government?
            Honor and dignity are moral categories, we ourselves need to figure out.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 26 December 2017 11: 31 New
        +6
        In fact, why because of the decision of the Ivanes who do not know kinship

        “Road” song of the group “Leningrad” to them in pursuit! smile
  4. Knowing
    Knowing 26 December 2017 06: 23 New
    15
    Well, firstly ... thirteen ...
    I will be shorter:
    -The IOC was dissatisfied with the color of the beans proposed by Russia for the Olympics 2018(they didn’t like that there was a lot of red color and in our curls on overalls of athletes international officials discerned Russian motives) ... Isn’t it a humiliation that the author suggests letting go of the ears and lunging vis-à-vis to dissolve in the air ... request ;
    -Russian athletes are still granted the right to participate in the Olympic Games- I would like to correct it, - not to Russian athletes, but to athletes from Russia, without coaching staff, the team of the Motherland, Anthem and Flag ... Anonymous words. God be their judge ...
  5. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 26 December 2017 06: 31 New
    +7
    Well, a citizen of sunny and beautiful Uzbekistan can give advice to neighbors as much as necessary. It would be interesting to look at the pride and prejudices thereof when banning the representatives of sunny and beautiful Uzbekistan from representing their country at the Olympics under far-fetched pretexts wink lol repeat ....
    Minus this opinion negative
    1. captain
      captain 26 December 2017 09: 10 New
      +2
      I agree with the author. Let them go. Anyway, if they win at least one sport, it will be nice. But Mutko, Zhukov and other sports leaders, it is necessary to drive to hell. Even during the summer Olympics, when this circus began, it was necessary to sue and prove through the courts that they were right. Well, since they did not sue, it means that it was. So most people argue. Why has no one defended the honor and dignity of athletes and the country?
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 27 December 2017 13: 24 New
        0
        Quote: captain
        But Mutko, Zhukov and other sports leaders, it is necessary to drive to hell.

        And what Mutko is to blame for ??? There is a conspiracy against the country. Mutko and others slandered, and banned the visit to the OI. Mutko-patriot of Russia, thank him and we, do not forget, won the Olympic Games in Sochi !!!
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 26 December 2017 06: 46 New
    28
    All in a heap, and different paragraphs contradict each other. And then the yoke and 1991 year? Dear author, you scored 27 points in order to go to the Olympics. But they forgot about one thing - the Olympics is a place where athletes appear under the flag of their country, and stand on a pedestal under the anthem of their country. Everything else - cups, championships and more, he can do as they want and for whom they want. So at the Olympics, they want to go, at their own expense, and individually.
    We are deprived of the legal right to display the flag of the country and perform the anthem in case of victory. This humiliation is clear and open. Athletes prepared, yes, at seven pots. But this does not mean that we must now humble ourselves and speak under the inscription "Athlete from Russia." Not only that ... they banned the mention of Russia as a country, this is no way.
    Who wants to endure the antics of the IOC there - endure, humble yourself, speak out. They will hang something on you when they come up with how. I won’t even watch this half-olympiad. What for is a sport where officials award victories in their offices, and can any American or European athletes use any kind of dope under an absurd cover? Sick - get treated! I took illegal drugs - take a rest, this is not your Olympiad. But the pressure is only on the Russians.
    I am not going to impose my thought, convince anyone.
    1. Galan
      Galan 26 December 2017 09: 45 New
      +2
      Everything is correct. We were declared a war, well, we will not appear on it. Winning there will not be given in all honest and unfair ways. Therefore, it is necessary to turn the "battlefield" chosen by the Westerners into a garbage dump, to reduce the competitions of the Olympiad to the level of primacy of the "yard teams of the West". Let's see how many world records will be in this case. It is worth sending athletes there frankly second or third line. Well, for our best athletes there are many other competitions, ranging from world championships, Europe, Asia and to all kinds of cups. Firstly, you can speak on behalf of Russia, and secondly, earn no less. And regarding the appeal of V.V. Putin - "Go", there could be no other, do not get involved in a bazaar discussion with the IOC to the Russian state.
  7. Starover
    Starover 26 December 2017 07: 13 New
    +4
    Thanks to the author for the article. At this Olympics, we will root for the partisans.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 26 December 2017 10: 30 New
      +9
      Quote: StarOver
      Thanks to the author for the article. At this Olympics, we will root for the partisans.

      Speak quietly. We will root for the scouts in a whisper. And wave the flag under the covers.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 26 December 2017 20: 47 New
        +2
        Alexei, I have a short flagpole for a flag, but a woman doesn’t have one ...
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 27 December 2017 13: 25 New
      0
      Quote: StarOver
      Thanks to the author for the article. At this Olympics, we will root for the partisans.

      Do not confuse the OI with the battle of Stalingrad. This is Sport and we support the athletes. The winner of the Olympics will not rule the Earth for the next 4 years.
  8. jonht
    jonht 26 December 2017 07: 14 New
    +2
    But as we like "humanly" everything and everything to crap ....
    I do not quite agree, but in many respects he is right .... And the hype about "go or not" hyped in society is definitely not good for us. And the fact that we will go is better, but it will not do any worse. Since the rules of the game in big sport have changed, then we also need to change, and here we either play by the rules that exist, or by the side of the story. Of course it would be great to write the rules ourselves, but such a small nuance, we do not have vassals yapping at the direction of .....
    And the most correct would be to unwind and issue similar doping scandals on the same geyrop and fsha, but this is not a couple of months ....
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 26 December 2017 10: 34 New
      11
      Quote: jonht
      And the fact that we will go is better, but it will not do any worse.

      I give the end to clipping, that this is not the end. They’ll make it worse for ours, oh ... for athletes from Russia. I already wrote that we will see after the end of games and groans, and complaints, and snot, and drooling from ours, oh ...
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 26 December 2017 07: 35 New
    19
    - Where did you go? - Olympics! - Wait! “Why are you holding him?” Let it go. He had a year of disqualification, three more will be thrown at the Olympics, and the medals will be taken away .... Go, go, Vasya.
    1. glk63
      glk63 26 December 2017 07: 46 New
      +3
      Exactly!
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 26 December 2017 20: 51 New
      +4
      Alex, good . The ending was forgotten.
      Khmyr: - Read!
  10. Spez
    Spez 26 December 2017 07: 50 New
    +9
    I am sure that the author's Vaseline is always at hand.
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 26 December 2017 12: 36 New
      +5
      Is it an attempt to whitewash our power, or whitewash our "preparing athletes"?
      1. Spez
        Spez 26 December 2017 19: 24 New
        +3
        Are you in relation to my comment? No, this is an attempt to censorship express their opinion about "where to go to the author with his advice."
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 December 2017 08: 16 New
    15
    In the ninety-ninth, athletes of the third composition are allowed to go, without doctors, without coaches, not living in an Olympic village.
    As for the flag, who told you that an athlete without a flag is a representative of Russia? So a partisan alien. At the last Olympics, all of Russia was rooting for the Korean, because he played under our flag. I know the biathlete Kuzmin. Officials from the sport did not allow her to speak in the team. She left for Slovakia, brings them medals, because she appears under the Slovak flag. So the flag matters.
    Consider that the Russian team has already been excommunicated from the Olympics, in Jesuit, in the assault, it seems to be not forbidden, but not allowed.
    However, there are no questions for the athletes, corrupt businessmen, what to take from them. But senior officials who are obliged to be patriots by duty, there is a question. Including who to vote for in the election. Is it possible to vote for a person for whom the symbols of the state are nothing?
  12. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 December 2017 08: 37 New
    15
    First, people insult and humiliate each other every day, and several times. But few of them died or lost their face, their “I.”

    I didn’t read further. In the zone, which passed like a school, tens of millions of our compatriots, it is very difficult to survive. But you can survive, and in different ways.
    You can join the thieves. You can plow a man. You can be alone on the ice ... And there is another road to survival. The road down. In principle, the chance of survival is not so low ...
    The author, if you are omitted, do not impose this on us, okay? As one of the great poets of Russia once said, a native of the ever-turbulent Caucasus:

    The life of a coward?
    Is this life?
    1. kinolog2322
      kinolog2322 28 December 2017 01: 36 New
      +2
      I dare to add that the zone is held on by peasants
  13. peta locksmith
    peta locksmith 26 December 2017 08: 38 New
    14
    survived - and who only does not teach Russia and its citizens!
    right now, and "citizen of sunny Uzbekistan" - notations of the letters

    from Uzbekistan, which only thanks to Russia was able to turn from a nasty crowd of auls into a really blooming land - I know this by hearsay - one of our grandfathers - a participant in two wars - lived in the prestigious district of Tashkent in Chilanzar - Turksib built and then worked on the railway , and his wife worked in the library of the Academy of Sciences of Uzbekistan. In the 90’s, our grandfather was taken out at gunpoint from a “sunny Uzbek”

    this Uzbek citizen also lists - firstly, secondly -
    deal with your sports gnom before "discussing our affairs in public" http://www.sport-express.ru/football/
    world / chempionat-mira-2018 / news / trener-sbornoy-uz
    bekistana-pokinul-press-konferenciyu-pod-kriki-po
    zor-1305659 /
  14. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 26 December 2017 08: 40 New
    16
    The author piled everything in order to justify the fact that athletes must ride. But he did not answer one question, why? A lot is written about the boycott in the article, and maybe the author is not in the know, but the IOC has officially suspended our country from participating in the 2018 Olympics, in fact it was not we who announced the boycott, but they announced it to us. It is evident that the authorities are ashamed to talk about such a moment, and they come up with their reality so that athletes are obliged to go to spite everyone. But personally, I don’t understand how you can declare a boycott for games if you have already been boycotted (as I mean the country). The following games after 2018, yes, you can do an official boycott, and then xs. It was possible to make an unofficial boycott, but the authorities felt sorry for the athletes, they prepared so much, tried so hard .... on the topic of patriotism: Qatar chess players refused to participate in the World Cup without a flag:
    ““ I can’t say anything except that this is an obvious case of a mix of politics and sports. We won’t go (to a tournament in Saudi Arabia), because Qatar’s pride and prestige are above all for us, ”said Qatari chess player Mohammed Al- Modiakhi "and Qatar could say in my heart and go to participate as our athletes. Therefore, this is what patriotism and love for the homeland are. You can still write a lot of things on the author’s thesis, but what's the point? If the author argues like that, then apparently he has not gone far from our athletes and officials, for whom the country's honor, patriotism are just words.

    Or you can recall the Belarusian athlete who left the award because the anthem was not her country, there are a lot of examples of patriotism in sports, but unfortunately not about our Olympians 2018.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 26 December 2017 10: 42 New
      +9
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      Or you can recall the Belarusian athlete who left the award because the anthem was not her country, there are a lot of examples of patriotism in sports, but unfortunately not about our Olympians 2018.

      Do you remember how our biathletes interrupted the Anthem? So our guys finished it. Yes, curiously, but no one noticed. And we were proud for our guys!
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 26 December 2017 11: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: BecmepH

        Do you remember how our biathletes interrupted the Anthem? So our guys finished it. Yes, curiously, but no one noticed. And we were proud for our guys!


        Yes, there was such a moment, ours were not taken aback and sang, well done. Although there were other options here, it was possible to act as a Belarusian athlete and show the organizers their attitude by leaving the rostrum for awarding. They really turned on the anthem at the end, but there was no sediment (from the organizers), and so there are no questions for the athletes, they behaved with dignity ..... But the 2018 Olympics is a completely different story.
  15. Aaleks1974
    Aaleks1974 26 December 2017 08: 41 New
    +8
    Yes, as many as 27 points have turned out, but everything is crossed out by one single thing - sport is a sight in which you worry “for your own people”, so if you don’t have “yours”, then it doesn’t cause any interest, but for those who will wander around Pyeongchang in white rags, let someone else get sick, they are not interesting to me.
  16. BAI
    BAI 26 December 2017 08: 50 New
    +3
    Who and what benefited from the boycotts of the 1980 and 1984 Olympiads? Everyone was the loser, since both Olympiads were not complete.

    Comparison is inappropriate. Then the superpowers did not participate with the allies, and now no one will notice the absence of Russia.
  17. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 26 December 2017 08: 54 New
    +5
    Well, from Tashkent, you know better! Advisor on adviser, adviser drives.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 26 December 2017 21: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Well, from Tashkent, you know better!

      Mdya, "Mount Show" with Sergei Kargemazov resting ...
      -Why a Mount Show? Yes, because we see better from the mountains.
  18. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 26 December 2017 09: 03 New
    +1
    Who and what benefited from the boycotts of the 1980 and 1984 Olympiads? Everyone was the loser, since both Olympiads were not complete. The strongest must compete with the strongest. The victory gained in the battle with equals cannot be compared with anything. Therefore, let the Russian athletes prove in practice that they are not worn, and let the whole world see it.

    And who will go? And they will be given to win? And which of the inhabitants of our country will get something from the World Cup. We all (not seated above) ordinary Russian people of all peoples and nationalities live like the Sharik from Prostokvashino - “at stake”! What they gave us, then we will eat ....
  19. akm8226
    akm8226 26 December 2017 09: 07 New
    18
    How beautifully we were all led to the fact that we do not need either our flag or anthem. Why are they? After all, everyone knows that we are from Russia! I’ll just say one thing - the author has a fat minus. I will never forget the second pin award ... sorry, Americans with the second gold medals in Salt Lake City. And how our dutifully went to the second award. But China did not come out. It turned out that the Chinese have a concept of honor. The moment of truth is for all the moment of truth. The article is a fat minus.
  20. X
    X Y Z 26 December 2017 09: 08 New
    +7
    In this confused article I did not read anything that could change my attitude towards the Olympiad and our athletes who are going to attend it. The main thing is that the purpose of the visit is not indicated. Win against a thimble? It’s funny. Believe me, it will not work. Give athletes an attempt to realize themselves? The price is too high. And it is not clear whether all our citizens are willing to pay it. In addition, there is a real option not to declare a boycott, but not to go. After all, there is no national team, and individual athletes are free to make independent decisions. There was a real opportunity to keep the honor. It is clear that any of our participation will mean an indirect recognition of all the charges against, despite the formal refusal. The most shameful is an attempt to give our future participation some kind of patriotic flair. This is the cynicism of pure water.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 26 December 2017 10: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: XYZ
      In this putАthis article
  21. Galleon
    Galleon 26 December 2017 09: 20 New
    +9
    The author is a bit like Plotinus - he was also a graphomaniac and verbiage. It is still very amusing if, in these 26 evidences “for” this apology, instead of the words “athletes” or “Olympians” the word “traitors” is put - the arguments do not change at all. I do not draw an equal sign and do not declare traitors those who want to go - let them understand themselves. I just say that if you replace one word with another, the same thing happens. Here is such an article. request
  22. Loess
    Loess 26 December 2017 09: 33 New
    +1
    I will not say that briefly, but succinctly and without "snot".
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 26 December 2017 10: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: Less
      I will not say that briefly, but succinctly and without "snot".

      Some snot ... Snot and contradiction
  23. trophy
    trophy 26 December 2017 09: 36 New
    +1
    Enough to persuade us already. They want to go so let them roll.
  24. sergo1914
    sergo1914 26 December 2017 09: 41 New
    10
    Rave. You can’t go without a flag. At the World Chess Championship (chess, Karl), Qatar (Qatar, Karl, a great chess power) was invited to play under the FIDE flag. Qatar threatened to boycott. The next day, the problem was resolved. Qatar rides under its flag. Qatar has shown iron eggs and pride in its country. And we? Oh, Vova, why bother so much before the election?
    IMHO. The Olympics turned into a collective farm sports day without hockey stars. The youth hockey world championship (today begins) at times more prestigious than the Olympic hockey tournament.
  25. arhPavel
    arhPavel 26 December 2017 09: 43 New
    +4
    Regardless of most wishes in various forums, athletes will go to humiliate and humiliate the country.
    In principle, as soon as the introduction of all kinds of snowboards, freestyle, bmx trends of 15 years or less and ignoring such hockey (Russian hockey) for more than 100 years to this kind, it became clear that this is a completely ovskiy project.
    And over the past 20 years, looked only Sochi rest is not interesting.
    I set for myself OI = Eurovision and turned the page.
  26. groks
    groks 26 December 2017 09: 48 New
    +1
    It is an insult. One of. Insulting the country. Athletes too. Both the country and the athletes are also losing money. Athletes lose personal. And they were preparing, spending health and money. Since our country cannot do anything about this humiliation, it doesn’t matter whether they go or not. Let them go - they need the money. The fact that they will be without a flag and anthem will emphasize that this is not an amateur sport and not a sport at all. It's just that people make money like that.
  27. maxim1987
    maxim1987 26 December 2017 10: 06 New
    0
    Yes, let them go, but in case of victory they donate not BMW X3, 5, 6, but Lada Kalina, Granta, Vesta!
  28. CONTROL
    CONTROL 26 December 2017 10: 06 New
    +4
    ... Tashkent delirium!
    Any sane person will find a bunch of objections to each of the twenty-seven points!
    -----------------------------------
    For quite some time now, Russia has been "muzzled around the table" - in diplomacy, international trade (economics), sports, culture, etc .; it’s time to start protesting - and we all hear indistinct bleating under the guise of excuses from Russian officials "in positions", by the way - requiring this "objection ..." to prevent, react and resist !!!
    ------------------------
    ... I think - we will not see provocations against the Olympians who "joined" the WADA rally at the Olympics; rather, they will welcome and even praise, maybe they will give a medal ... well, or - a "barrel of jam and a box of cookies" ... they can also offer "bourgeois" citizenship - as the highest award! ... But fans with Russian flags - they will beat unambiguously! was already - in Europe, on football ... and "arrest" and "clean up" ... and have to sit out!
    -------------------------------
    ... there is no court decision "on traitors"?
    So he is absent from Solzhenitsyn, say, from Gorbachev ... and from fifty to hundreds of “figures” in Russian politics, culture, and sports! which does not mean at all that they are - the above ... are not !!!
    ------------------------------
    ... and so on - ... You should refrain from extensive comments - take an example from short-wave radio communications ... "If you want to be heard, be brief!" ... you can even go to VHF ...
  29. novel66
    novel66 26 December 2017 10: 10 New
    +6
    it’s necessary that they don’t forget the petroleum jelly, all of a sudden they want to fall in love with them too - you cannot refuse
  30. scrap123
    scrap123 26 December 2017 10: 33 New
    +4
    without family forward for the cookies ....................
  31. Alex_59
    Alex_59 26 December 2017 10: 51 New
    +1
    I agree with the author on most points. If we are one people, now it’s important to leave squabbles and ask our athletes - do you want to go in such conditions or not? And if someone answers yes - support with all possible forces! Why? Because we are one people, and if any of us is in a situation where any choice is bad, when the efforts of our whole life are at stake, we must support. Is it not for this that we are one united people, so that when it is hard for any of us to support our own?
    They will say now that this is a personal matter of the athletes, no one forced them to spend all their lives on it, they run around and get money for it. Gentlemen, this is petty! Yes, do not care that no one forced them, do not care about money. Let it all be for the glory of an individual who may have chosen for himself not the most useful way for society. Yes, they just run and that’s it. They are of no use - even a yard cannot sweep. But, damn it, these are our people! So they decided that they want to run, figs with him, let's support them in their choice. It is important that we support them, and not what they do, and for what they do it. Flag, anthem - this is the second time. These are symbols that only designate us as a single people, but if we cannot support our own people, then the meaning of both the anthem and the flag is lost. It’s not the flag, but us.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 26 December 2017 17: 38 New
      +3
      The squabble is precisely because the “suffering” athletes decided to go. And these squabbles ALREADY began. At the same time, the government "shoutboxes" are pulling the owl on the globe, - they paint the derm .. - the situation with chocolate icing. By the way, Putin remained “all in white,” said “athletes decide for themselves.” And they are happy to try. Folder to the disco, a-me-Kosovo, released! Honor and conscience? - Not that era!
  32. Dormidont
    Dormidont 26 December 2017 11: 03 New
    +2
    How not to go? Well, and what of the fact that the honor of the country will not be protected. What, tens of thousands of sports officials to reduce? After all, no one is cutting the Ministry of Economic Development or the Ministry of Culture.
  33. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 26 December 2017 11: 04 New
    +6
    Winston Churchill once said well: "If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it receives both war and shame." ...
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 26 December 2017 11: 18 New
      0
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      Winston Churchill once said well: "If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it receives both war and shame." ...

      It turns out on this phrase that we must go to war - i.e. to the Olympics and fight to the bitter end.
  34. Mainsteering
    Mainsteering 26 December 2017 11: 17 New
    +3
    [/ quote] Ninth, athletes have been preparing for the Olympic Games for years, spend a lot of energy and energy, train every day to exhaustion, deny themselves the usual human joys, spend a long time away from their families, wives, children, etc. And to lose participation in the Olympics is a great tragedy for them, primarily in the moral plane, and not in the material, as the unfortunate patriots claim. In no case should they be prohibited from participating in what is the purpose of their short sporting life. [Quote]

    I didn’t even read further ...
  35. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 December 2017 11: 20 New
    13
    So after all, you can refute anything you want, even to the Nazi conspirators! fool I want to say to the author, in the article you mixed a bunch of mutually exclusive assumptions, so that those who want to disgrace Russia by going to the Olympics without a flag and anthem could do it! In the article below I have already expressed my point of view. And I will put for your writings ------------ !!! In addition to the minuses that have been canceled, your outpouring deserves nothing else! I tell you as a RUSSIAN person! !!!!
  36. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 December 2017 11: 24 New
    +4
    Bakhtiyor Irmukhamedov, Tashkent, Uzbekistan
    And at thirty ... which I don’t remember, you, dear author, would have called for this of your Uzbek athletes when they were deprived of the anthem, flag, country. Then I would look at your tolerance and "patriotism".
    Thanks to the author for the kind words in the article! (ImPertz)
    If you feel so warm, then I congratulate you.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 26 December 2017 16: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Thanks to the author for the kind words in the article! (ImPertz)
      If you feel so warm, then I congratulate you.

      That's right. The manure heap is also warm.
  37. Altona
    Altona 26 December 2017 11: 43 New
    +5
    To be honest, for me this article talks more about the tricks of the oriental bazaar. You can belittle the buyer, but still suck him spoiled apricot. And this will be a moral and whatever victory.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 26 December 2017 13: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      To be honest, for me this article talks more about the tricks of the oriental bazaar.

      Here are the real "tricks of the eastern bazaar." https://rg.ru/2017/03/03/kitaj-vvel-zapret-na-tur
      poezdki-v-iuzhnuiu-koreiu-iz-za-pro-ssha.html "As it became known, a meeting of the Korean government will be convened in the near future, where measures to compensate for damage to a number of business lines due to Chinese sanctions will be discussed." The news was a year ago, but recently it slipped through the media: a number of South Korean companies have suffered significant damage to the PRC due to the American missile defense system.
      In Beijing, they say that they have not formally imposed any sanctions, emphasizing that everything is done within the framework of the law. In addition, PRC officials point out to Korean officials that it was worth thinking about “developing bilateral cooperation relations,” when they decided to deploy a US missile defense system, which Beijing opposed categorically against from the very beginning. "And what prevents the organization of air defense and missile defense exercises BBO for the period of the Olympics and close the air corridors over Russia, in connection with the exercise and prohibit the display of advertisements in the media from the Olympics, and this time show your own.
    2. Altona
      Altona 26 December 2017 21: 21 New
      +3
      As I understand it, Alexander Zhukov was very afraid for his son and for his property in the UK, probably the “honorary member of the IOC” Smirnov also experienced similar feelings. Their appearance of battered mongrels suggests that they fought for their interests and not for the interests of the country and the athletes representing it. You can throw a lot of stones at supposedly "innocent" athletes, but their fact of solidarity with their fellow workers on the shop does not do them any honor. I see that behind the officials who betrayed the country, most of whose fortune is beyond the hill, the athletes also willingly rushed into the joyous pool of betrayal. Both officials and athletes represent some kind of neutral country in which I personally and many do not live. This is their personal dirty deed, whom they will represent. I will not root for them.
  38. complete zero
    complete zero 26 December 2017 12: 18 New
    +5
    Quote: ImPerts
    Thanks to the author for the kind words in the article!
    Our athletes can regain our faith in them if they bring victory against the background of such pressure and hysteria.
    And so, let them go. Preparing the same ...

    Yes, let them certainly go (because they were preparing), but there is one BUT ... we DO NOT GO ... and spat in YOU with us (and not the athletes) - this is a hymn for us and the flag means something (if it means of course) - FOR ME MEANS ... so ... let them go ... that's just AT YOUR ACCOUNT
  39. complete zero
    complete zero 26 December 2017 12: 20 New
    +6
    Quote: Altona
    To be honest, for me this article talks more about the tricks of the oriental bazaar. You can belittle the buyer, but still suck him spoiled apricot. And this will be a moral and whatever victory.

    Yes, they wiped themselves off ... that the authorities (from the very top) also Kovalchuk ... screamed the month before - "YES NOT LIFE WITHOUT A FLAG WITHOUT AN ANTHEM" .. there is a good definition for this ... representatives of an ancient profession
  40. Kolaaps
    Kolaaps 26 December 2017 12: 47 New
    +1
    If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it receives both war and shame.
    Winston Churchill
    What is he talking about?
  41. Altona
    Altona 26 December 2017 13: 05 New
    +3
    Quote: KOLAaps
    If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it receives both war and shame.

    ---------------------------
    If we are talking about Churchill, then he said this about the Munich agreement, when they handed over Czechoslovakia to pacify Hitler.
  42. Des10
    Des10 26 December 2017 13: 43 New
    +1
    "Eighth, it is not worth declaring Russian athletes who have expressed a desire to participate in the Olympiad to be traitors to their homeland."
    Patriotism is love for one’s homeland, respect for one’s fellow citizens and the ability to rally in the face of a common threat.
    In the recent past, many of the Russians living today considered the flag and anthem of the Soviet Union sacred. But for more than a quarter century, the new flag and the new text of the anthem of Russia have become sacred. That is, these citizens have long been patriots of the USSR, and now they have become patriots of the Russian Federation. And nothing happened to them. So you shouldn’t bang your head against the wall because of some conventions, which are also not a constant. "
    \
    So he began - he already got it wrong, and then - for his homeland and ... somehow the ardor disappeared to criticize him. )
    Really ours will not come up with such that "they" still regret - about the "neutrality" of the symbolism "?
    Here will be the answer - who we are ... or we have the right.)
    1. lance
      lance 26 December 2017 14: 38 New
      +1
      Trotskyism is Trotskyism. he is not in the world, he is in the heads, flags (what symbol has fallen within the borders of the Russian Federation?), the anthem, after the well-known events in the USSR, he is known by heart to any athlete internationally. reasoning "I will not be sick and watch" - well, what is Trotskyism in sport? Botvinnik - he is a Russian chess player at the peak of fame left the arena in science, which is a traitor. should you forget about Alekhine? end the philistine propaganda. an athlete from Russia is a Russian; the Olympic anthem was written to unite countries. who else besides ours is able to carry the banner of the world in sport today? but just imagine ours on the pedestal after so many checks. after all, they are really clean, without any ADMISSIONS about the use of steroids and the like.
      1. Des10
        Des10 26 December 2017 16: 29 New
        0
        Everything is normal, be balanced and do not neglect, please, the rules of the Russian language.
        Pay attention to the -) sign.
        Good luck, joy and prosperity to you.
  43. Naum
    Naum 26 December 2017 14: 43 New
    0
    "Enemies led by the United States are trying to incite discord into Russian society by any means, not shying away from any lies and meanness. The IOC’s decision to ban the Russian flag, anthem and symbols at the Winter Olympics was made under the savage pressure of US-European provocateurs. And this is far from the last "The Russians should keep an eye on them and not engage in squabbles among themselves because of regular attacks against their country."
    True to 1000% !!! Provocateurs rub their hands in anticipation of Russia's national humiliation and its split, even in sports. We will not be substituted!
  44. complete zero
    complete zero 26 December 2017 15: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Lance
    Trotskyism is Trotskyism. he is not in the world, he is in the heads, flags (what symbol has fallen within the borders of the Russian Federation?), the anthem, after the well-known events in the USSR, he is known by heart to any athlete internationally. reasoning "I will not be sick and watch" - well, what is Trotskyism in sport? Botvinnik - he is a Russian chess player at the peak of fame left the arena in science, which is a traitor. should you forget about Alekhine? end the philistine propaganda. an athlete from Russia is a Russian; the Olympic anthem was written to unite countries. who else besides ours is able to carry the banner of the world in sport today? but just imagine ours on the pedestal after so many checks. after all, they are really clean, without any ADMISSIONS about the use of steroids and the like.

    it’s you stop bringing allegories (about Alekhine-Botvinnik) and you don’t need to dissemble here ... to remove Russia (as a state) from the UI-it is HUMILIATION and nothing else
    1. lance
      lance 26 December 2017 17: 53 New
      0
      if officials from the country are used to licking w ... then what are the athletes to blame for. or is it easier you are a plumber, and the country needs electricians, change your profession, even if you are over 58? squared isn't it?
  45. Mainsteering
    Mainsteering 26 December 2017 15: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Lance
    Trotskyism is Trotskyism. he is not in the world, he is in the heads, flags (what symbol has fallen within the borders of the Russian Federation?), the anthem, after the well-known events in the USSR, he is known by heart to any athlete internationally. reasoning "I will not be sick and watch" - well, what is Trotskyism in sport? Botvinnik - he is a Russian chess player at the peak of fame left the arena in science, which is a traitor. should you forget about Alekhine? end the philistine propaganda. an athlete from Russia is a Russian; the Olympic anthem was written to unite countries. who else besides ours is able to carry the banner of the world in sport today? but just imagine ours on the pedestal after so many checks. after all, they are really clean, without any ADMISSIONS about the use of steroids and the like.

    Why did you get that taking gold under a neutral flag, athletes "suddenly" will not appear doping in the blood?
    1. lance
      lance 26 December 2017 16: 56 New
      0
      and then why do we need a clean Olympus? there are no steroids in the blood of athletes who travel that Wada allows for the West. the task of the Russian Federation and officials to remove from the Olympus all asmatiks and the like, substituting Wad and Mok with their permissive policy of "sick" athletes. Hey, stay at home - this program should be campaigned in all our media abroad. and what do we get by leaving the Olympics? What did Obama dream of in politics? Anyway, you’ll have to play according to the rules of most countries, so you need to make a correction and restore your good name, and not scream and go all ....
  46. Mainsteering
    Mainsteering 26 December 2017 17: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: Lance
    and then why do we need a clean Olympus? there are no steroids in the blood of athletes who travel that Wada allows for the West. the task of the Russian Federation and officials to remove from the Olympus all asmatiks and the like, substituting Wad and Mok with their permissive policy of "sick" athletes. Hey, stay at home - this program should be campaigned in all our media abroad. and what do we get by leaving the Olympics? What did Obama dream of in politics? Anyway, you’ll have to play according to the rules of most countries, so you need to make a correction and restore your good name, and not scream and go all ....

    No one argues that you need a clean Olympus. That's just the EU and the US are not "most countries", but they dictate the rules. In my understanding, the game according to "their rules" is nothing more than a demonstration of powerlessness. But why we can’t or do not want to oppose anything in this situation, the question is rather internal.
    1. lance
      lance 26 December 2017 17: 59 New
      0
      contrary to themselves, there are no internal issues in politics. There are internal processes that support or contradict politics.
  47. andrew42
    andrew42 26 December 2017 17: 28 New
    +6
    “Even a million Olympic Games are not worth one Crimea. Even a billion Olympic Games are not worth Russia, the cohesion and well-being of its citizens, and the integrity and inviolability of its borders.” Author! So this had to start and end! Why suck out 20 fingers with dashing reasons for the "go", if in the end such a resume is inevitable? We’re not even sitting on 2 chairs, but trying to lie down on 2 sofas. I will not give 20 reasons against. Enough of three. 1) It's silly to sit down to play with cheaters. Therefore, if it is not with the IOC as a structure, then with the current IOC COMPOSITION, to cooperate is to kill yourself. 2) Given the obvious venality and politicization of the current IOC, what more reason is needed to fight the "sports of pharmacists", which, by misunderstanding, is now called the Olympics? 3) Sufferers-athletes eager for participation under the white flag will obviously be inter alia left without medals. Well, someone will be given where refereeing is extremely limited by the very nature of the sport. Most shine nothing. It turns out that "Russians cannot do anything without doping." Is this not a setup of the entire Russian State? Then Rodchenkov with the “Maclarenites” will rejoice. After that, the Russian sports federations will have to crawl on their belly, like the Germans for the Holocaust - without end and a chance for an amnesty. Stupid, greedy, cowardly - these are 3 epithets for any Russian athlete crawling on the white flag flag - stupid in terms of expectations, greedy in terms of personal fame and prizes, cowardly in terms of refusing to give the insolent answer at the state level.
    1. lance
      lance 26 December 2017 17: 47 New
      0
      First, let's see how it all ends. why guess? the decision is from the source, not from the coffee grounds.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 26 December 2017 18: 25 New
        0
        The solution is from the conditions of the problem. And then, there are many solutions. What is meant by "source" is not clear, except that the "source" gives rise to the "process".
        1. lance
          lance 26 December 2017 19: 37 New
          0
          what is the task? can you formulate it? - not to go and all, all the other traitors? the source is the result of the Olympiad — from there both the tasks and their solutions to the next Olympiad. The process is the drilling that you see on the page in and in life. but the decision has already been made by the mass of communities, it remains to wait for the result, and not grind in vain with language.
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 27 December 2017 13: 06 New
            0
            Already better. "Do not go" is a method. A necessary condition, but not enough. But the task is different, and it is as simple as two-two: wean the IOC and other international sports. federations from political games and from the execution of orders of the world “hegemon” to defame Russian sports .. Shulers are usually shot. but, unfortunately, the ice ax is not in use today. And the one who seeks and attracts excuses for a "penitential trip" of neutral athletes is wasting his tongue for nothing.
  48. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 26 December 2017 17: 53 New
    +4
    I’m not interested in the Olympics from the word "completely" ... Before, in the days of the USSR it was possible to watch how the competition between the "systems" was going on, now there is a doping competition,
    dough and personal "ego" of athletes ..... no, not interesting .... repeat
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 29 December 2017 15: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Marquis Cat
      I am not interested in the Olympics from the word "completely" ...

      as I read that in the late 19th and early 20th centuries after the championships in Hamburg, athletes gathered without the publicity to find out among themselves who the same was without the “agreements” and “methods”. big sport should rather be compared with show business, everything was there, but such politicization did not exist for a long time. Pierre De Coubertin, fortunately, does not see what degenerated his beautiful, albeit slightly naive, idea.
  49. Freeman
    Freeman 26 December 2017 17: 53 New
    +4
    when Russian intelligence officers carry out their official duties behind enemy lines, they don’t imagine where they don’t sing the anthem of their homeland from, and they don’t wave the Russian flag in plain sight. But in their hearts they carry love for their Fatherland and secretly work in the name of its good.

    Great shots


    Imagine that Russian Olympians are your undercover agentswho are faced with the task of benefiting Russia in the sports fields of Pyeongchang - and everything in your head will fall into place.

    Could not, presented rather like that
    Two Bandera people meet, one to the other and says
    - And I did disgust to Muscovites!
    - Which one?
    - And I told them in Red Square!
    - And they didn’t do anything to you?
    - So I'm quiet, in my pants ...


    because no one died, and the country did not collapse when the Russian Paralympic team was suspended from participation in the Summer Paralympic Games in Rio de Janeiro. There was not only the flag and anthem of Russia, but none of the Russian Paralympics at all. And in Pyeongchang there will be Russian Olympians. As the saying goes, feel the difference.

    We “screwed up” heavily with doping and were punished (we will lower its size and adequacy beyond the scope). In Rio, we framed one cheek.
    I supported our athletes who went to the championship in LA in London.
    We introduced the second cheek.
    BUT THERE IS NO THIRD CHEES!
    And I’m not going to “tolerate ass buttocks”! am
    1. lance
      lance 26 December 2017 18: 41 New
      +1
      so you do not want to substitute? cheek or butt? show ass in sports is not the same as in everyday life. In Rio, the whole world realized that Russia does not take medals due to doping, everything else is from the evil one. Athletics itself has lost ground, where are the so-expected lawsuits? hence the result, but again these are officials,
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 27 December 2017 01: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Lance
        so you do not want to substitute? cheek or butt? show ass in sports is not the same as in everyday life. In Rio, the whole world realized that Russia does not take medals due to doping, everything else is from the evil one. Athletics itself has lost ground, where are the so-expected lawsuits? hence the result, but again these are officials,

        If you do not understand, then I am for state boycott current OI.
        "Punishment" (in my opinion) we have already incurred (both in Rio and in London), to agree to further "sports sanctions" means the humiliation of the country and state.
        You correctly noticed - "show back" in sports (for example, in running or skiing), it means to be ahead. But here "substitute the ass", it is something else that has nothing to do with sports or politics, and in "everyday life" is practiced only by persons of a certain orientation.
        So, those athletes who go to such Olympics “by invitation”, when the country is actually suspended from participation, for me will become the very same “persons”.
        And to be involved (even indirectly) in this shame, I do not intend to!
        And then the author calls us
        Patriotism is love for one’s homeland, respect for one’s fellow citizens and the ability to rally in the face of a common threat.
        Therefore, the Russians should unite around V. Putin

        And then it contradicts itself
        and warmly support their athletes, who decided in such a difficult environment to defend the honor and dignity of a great Russia.

        What honor and dignity of a great Russia were they going to defend if they were going to represent myself? That is, "you rally there," while we are "solving" personal tasks here - so what ?!
        Who is to blame for the situation? “But it's officials again.”
        And who appointed the officials?
        We "power vertical"if you forgot.
  50. Awaz
    Awaz 26 December 2017 18: 38 New
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    no need here to try to hang noodles for us ... We don’t. The authorities of the Russian Federation should have had a clear position (if they are really not guilty of anything), the position is that they will not make any compromises with different circum-sports crooks. They will not participate in the Olympics under the white flag and will prohibit all KHL players from participating in the hockey tournament. The authorities of the Russian Federation had to threaten to cooperate with the IOC and those federations that would try to indiscriminately accuse athletes of what they had not done, until legally substantiated evidence was brought or apologies were paid and compensation was paid to all the victims ...
    Everything, nothing needs to be invented.