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Caspian flotilla combat swimmers master weapons for underwater shooting

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Caspian Fighting Squad flotilla Proceeded with phased special underwater training at ship-based locations. During these events, the military will work out a set of tasks for anti-submarine and sabotage support of ships.


To accomplish the tasks of protecting marine approaches to the point of location, visual observation of the water area, the fighters move on small boats, boats and boats.

According to the press service of the Southern Military District, in the process of training, each specialist will become familiar with the basics of mine explosives, learn to use diving equipment, work out the required elements of special underwater acrobatics, master the techniques of underwater combat using firearms and cold weapons.

At the test stage of training, combat swimmers will perform training firing from a special weapon for underwater shooting — the SPP-1 pistol, the DP-61 grenade launcher, the APS-55 submachine gun, with which you can destroy enemy divers at a distance of 40 m to 10 m, pierce trim or bottom of the vessel. Outside the water, the amazing capabilities of this unique weapon increase tenfold.

For the USSR and Russia, the issue of border security has always been topical, and since the country has vast maritime borders, the Navy’s equipment with effective armament was, is and will be a necessity. One of the main problems in the sea areas has always been the question of countering the underwater sabotage forces of a potential enemy. The armament of the underwater fighters of the Navy for quite a long time was simply absent - everything they had to count on was their own strength and a knife, in rare cases a harpoon. The problem was that water is a substance almost 800 times denser than air, so standard firearms in it turned out to be just a useless piece of metal. The country's leadership was well aware of the need to equip their combat swimmers with effective weapons, but from a technical point of view, the issue could not be resolved for a long time.

Serious developments in this field in the USSR began to be carried out only by the end of 60. Under the leadership of P. F. Sazonov and O. P. Kravchenko, at the facilities of the Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering (TsNIITOCHMASH), they began to develop weapons that could provide our submariners with “fire” might. For several years, scientists conducted a series of successful tests and by the beginning of the 70-s developed special ammunition for underwater weapons. Outwardly, these bullets resembled a needle, but rather a large one. The end of such a needle was in the form of a truncated cone. This form allows the needle not to rotate under water, in addition, a flat platform at the beginning of the needle creates a cavitation cavity in the water, thereby stabilizing the flight of the bullet.

Caspian flotilla combat swimmers master weapons for underwater shooting

Underwater bullet


First underwater weapon

The first weapon for underwater shooting, which was officially adopted by the Soviet Navy, was the SPP-1 (special underwater gun). The gun was with four barrels and non-self-loading type, the caliber of the cartridge for the SPP, initially - 4,5 mm. The firing range of such a gun varies depending on the depth. So, at a depth of 5 meters, effective shooting is conducted at a distance of up to 15-17 meters, with each dive meter the distance decreases by 1-2 meters. In air conditions, the maximum flight distance of the needle 20 meters, and even then, the accuracy of such weapons is extremely low.



The first "dvuhsredny" machine

After a couple of years, in the 1975 year, the submariner's armament expands significantly. A set of weapons of a military swimmer of the Navy has been replenished with the APS (special automatic underwater). The developer of this unique weapon was quite famous engineer V.V. Simonov. The ammunition for this machine gun was the 5,66mm caliber, for which the designer took the standard cartridge 5,45x39mm as a basis. The bullet for such a cartridge was also made in the form of a needle in length 120mm with a flat head to stabilize the flight under water. The official name of these MPS ammunition, and when diving to a depth of 5 meters, they could conduct aimed and effective shooting at enemy divers at a distance of 30 meters. Moreover, even with a depth of 20 meters, the weapon coped well with its task, although the firing range dropped to 15-20 meters. If we take into account that visibility under water in conditions of depth of 15 meters, without using special equipment, hardly exceeds 10-15 meters, then the submachine gun more than covered the necessary firing distance. In the same year, V.V. Simonov was able to develop a tracer underwater cartridge (MPST). In addition to confident and effective underwater shooting, the APS was designed so that in case of emergency, it could be used to open fire in the air. Of course, the design of the MPS does not give the ballistic flight stability of a bullet in an air environment, and the shooting turns out to be inaccurate, but, nevertheless, for a short distance, approximately 50. APS shoots quite sighting.



When firing in the air, the durability of the weapon also drops sharply, even after a special gas regulator was installed on the MTA, the air firing resource does not exceed 180-200 shots, but under water, this machine is capable of releasing needles up to 2000.

The design of this machine, of course, differs from the design of conventional automatic weapons. It is based on a mechanism with a locking bolt and with a gas exhaust engine. A special valve is installed in the gas outlet system, which allows the weapon to work in air conditions. The barrel of the machine is smooth, not rifled like most conventional weapons. The magazine of the APS is designed for 26 cartridges and has a special design that regulates the needle feed in order to completely eliminate the bias or feed of two needles at the same time.

Contemporaneity

Currently, of course, the MTA has endured a number of design changes and improvements. As well as the first automatic machines of this type, the modern Sea Lion is capable of conducting aimed fire in bursts under water, but, unlike its predecessors, it shoots well in the air.

New machine developed by the end of the 90-ies. The creator of this unique amphibious weapon became Dr. of Technical Sciences Yury Danilov. Currently, these weapons are produced at the Tula Arms Plant. In order to achieve the most effective shooting both underwater and in the air, Danilov created a hybrid that is able to shoot needles underwater and ordinary cartridges in the air. Moreover, for ease of use in air, it is joined by a standard magazine from an AK-74 submachine gun with 5,45 x39 caliber cartridges. In order to prevent the automatic device from clogging up with dirt at the moment of using the store from AK, which is significantly smaller compared to the needles shop, a special flip cover is provided on the machine. Under the air, the underwater ACM-DT is not inferior in performance to the AKS-74U.



For underwater shooting, the same needles are used in the standard 26 magazine for cartridges, and for shooting in the air, AK cartridges from the 30 magazine for cartridges. Also for firing conventional cartridges, the designers were able to create a rifled barrel that does not interfere with the passage of the needle with a flat stabilizing top, and at the same time significantly increases the stabilization of the conventional bullet. The barrel caliber of the 5,45 AFM-DT and the barrel rifling are made with a depth of not more than 0,011 mm, and if we consider that the needle is actually 5,45 in diameter, its dimensions allow it to pass freely inside the barrel without touching the grooved walls. In order to solve the problem of residual water in the barrel of the automaton when changing the underwater mode to air, a part of the powder gases is directed into the barrel in front of the bullet through special microchannels.

Unfortunately, this type of machine gun has not yet entered service with the WWII of the Russian Federation, and among the existing combat swimmers, the old version of the APS is still used.
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  1. taseka
    taseka April 10 2012 10: 01 New
    +32
    Our weapons for underwater shooting have long been recognized in the world! I think our fighting swimmers with dignity will drown all kinds of seals and seals there! Good luck Russian ichthyander !!! wink
    1. Bat1stuta
      Bat1stuta April 10 2012 12: 52 New
      +18
      Quote: taseka
      I think our fighting swimmers with dignity will drown all kinds of seals and seals there!

      Why are you doing this with seals? laughing amers are already very nervous about Russian soldiers, and then you scare them. remember, after all, how their people went crazy with shouts: "RUSSIAN GO!". You want them to go crazy with shouts: "RUSSIAN ... SWIMMING!" ? lol
      1. Mr. Truth
        Mr. Truth April 10 2012 13: 50 New
        +10
        If necessary, the Russians will come, come, fly in, crawl out of the ground and land from space. Hooray.
        1. Neighbor
          Neighbor April 10 2012 16: 41 New
          +4
          Eh - To go fishing with this! laughing - for seals - Ameriko.soss.kih! laughing am
      2. taseka
        taseka April 10 2012 17: 37 New
        +3
        Bat1stuta - If they conceived "bad" against us, then let them know that we will not only sail, but also arrive !!!
      3. FIMUK
        FIMUK April 12 2012 15: 41 New
        +1
        eh, they go by sea, water (they dive, dive and continue to go underwater / above-water) ... floats g.but in the hole, eh, land ballasts under the solid (s.) wink
    2. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 23 May 2012 17: 35 New
      0
      and also, in order to disassemble it, it is required to attach it properly (something automatic) with something solid!
  2. patriot2
    patriot2 April 10 2012 10: 04 New
    +17
    Give combat swimmers new weapons!
    Article +
  3. Artur09-75
    Artur09-75 April 10 2012 10: 07 New
    +8
    Unfortunately, this type of machine has not yet entered service with the WWII of the Russian Federation,


    In my opinion, this machine is a cool thing! Give combat swimmers real tests, make changes, taking into account the wishes of those who will fight with these weapons and quickly adopt weapons.
  4. esaul
    esaul April 10 2012 10: 11 New
    +8
    I have long wanted to find the answer to the question of whether our gunsmiths are developing this topic? Now it is clear that in this area - everything is on the ointment. I wonder if analogues appeared in units of other countries? At one time, we were able to maintain the secrecy regime of this type of weapon, but after these several years of EBN rule and the general diversion of technologies over the hill, a gap is not excluded in this area, as in the situation with the Flurry.
    1. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell April 10 2012 10: 48 New
      +6
      I had a case in practice, funny and curious, at the beginning of 80 we received only zinc, caliber 5, 45 was normal, lay and didn’t open, there were firing, we arrived at the firing range, we open it, and there are cartridges with a needle, what are we then they didn’t know, since this cartridge was seen for the first time, everyone puzzled for a long time what it is and how to charge it in an automatic machine, if an 20 person gets together, then everyone knows what kind of disputes and screams they were, they finally pulled the machine, drove the cartridge with a needle, assembled, the most funny, no one dared to shoot laughing . and they collected all the cartridges, only then one midshipman (warehouse manager) said what kind of cartridge it was and where he was going, and that he came to us by accident, that was such a secret! So I immediately remembered our physiognomy when we together manipulated this cartridge !!
      1. 755962
        755962 April 10 2012 11: 06 New
        +2
        For the first time I saw the APS in the arms depots in Kutaisi. Our unit stood there in 1990. I was struck by the appearance and the “how” they were stored there!? And there were a lot of them I will tell you request
    2. Civil
      Civil April 10 2012 11: 39 New
      +2
      The Chinese copied? Is there infa or what? Enlighten your comrades. Here we are at the forefront of technology!
  5. Sarus
    Sarus April 10 2012 10: 17 New
    +6
    Fortune swimmers good luck and upgrade your training ...
  6. Joker
    Joker April 10 2012 10: 26 New
    +4
    This weapon really has no analogues in the world. good
  7. almost demobil
    almost demobil April 10 2012 10: 42 New
    +5
    NATO members most likely also have such trunks, either stole our idea, or with a mustache themselves. But our first, and that's good! By the way, in order to ditch the forehead at all, you don’t have to have a great power of the cartridge. It’s enough to punch a hole in the “comrade” and blood will fly out of it like an enema, pressure at depth will help.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac April 10 2012 13: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: almost demob
      NATO probably also have similar trunks, or stole our idea, or themselves with a mustache

      in the West they could only make a needle-gun revolver, but it is an order of magnitude more complicated than PPP. So far, our Western "friends" have nothing like the APS for arming.
  8. Manager
    Manager April 10 2012 10: 58 New
    +1
    Here is a more detailed article
    http://alternathistory.org.ua/podvodnoe-strelkovoe-oruzhie-proshloe-nastoyashche

    e-budushchee

    At the bottom there is a signature ..... We need to buy our own, otherwise we only sell everything abroad.
    1. sealord
      sealord April 10 2012 14: 48 New
      0
      Automatic two-medium special automatic telephone gun in the basic configuration, in which it can be used both under water (with cartridges 5.45x39 PSP) and in the air (with cartridges 5.45x39 7N6, 7N10, 7N22 and others). The machine is equipped with a removable 40mm caliber grenade launcher; a grenade sight is mounted on the left side of the grenade launcher barrel
      Automatic two-medium special automatic telephone exchange in a configuration for carrying out special operations on land. The underbarrel grenade launcher (more precisely, its barrel with a sight) was removed, a silencer was installed on the barrel, and a night sight was mounted on the handle for carrying weapons.
      Scheme of the underwater cartridge 5.45x39 PSP from the patent of the Russian Federation received by the design team of KBP in 2006
      Caliber: 5.45 mm (5.45x39 PSP and PSP-U for underwater shooting, 5.45x39 7N6, 7N10, 7N22 for shooting in the air)
      Type of automation: gas exhaust, locking by turning the bolt
      Length: 660 mm
      Barrel length: 415 mm
      Weight: 4.6 kg (with integrated grenade launcher)
      Firing Rate: 600-800 shots per minute
      Store: 30 rounds
    2. sealord
      sealord April 10 2012 14: 52 New
      +6
      Automatic two-medium special automatic telephone gun in the basic configuration, in which it can be used both under water (with cartridges 5.45x39 PSP) and in the air (with cartridges 5.45x39 7N6, 7N10, 7N22 and others). The machine is equipped with a removable 40mm caliber grenade launcher; a grenade sight is mounted on the left side of the grenade launcher barrel


      Automatic two-medium special automatic telephone exchange in a configuration for carrying out special operations on land. The underbarrel grenade launcher (more precisely, its barrel with a sight) was removed, a silencer was installed on the barrel, and a night sight was mounted on the handle for carrying weapons.


      Scheme of the underwater cartridge 5.45x39 PSP from the patent of the Russian Federation received by the design team of KBP in 2006


      Caliber: 5.45 mm (5.45x39 PSP and PSP-U for underwater shooting, 5.45x39 7N6, 7N10, 7N22 for shooting in the air)
      Type of automation: gas exhaust, locking by turning the bolt
      Length: 660 mm
      Barrel length: 415 mm
      Weight: 4.6 kg (with integrated grenade launcher)
      Firing Rate: 600-800 shots per minute
      Store: 30 rounds

      After testing a new cartridge, the development of weapons for it began. The A-91M submachine gun of the development of the same Tula KP Instrument Making was adopted as the base. The two-medium special ADS machine inherited from the prototype the bullpup configuration with the widespread use of plastics in the construction of the weapon body, as well as the general arrangement of mechanisms with gas exhaust, locking the barrel with a rotary bolt and ejecting spent cartridges forward through a short tube passing to the right of the barrel to the rear base of the carrying handle weapons. The air / water switch of the environmental modes was introduced into the design of the gas vent mechanism, and the structural elements of the machine were revised to ensure work in water. The submachine gun allows firing with conventional 5.45x39 caliber cartridges (7H6, 7H10, 7H22, etc.) as well as underwater 5.45 PSP by installing magazines with the appropriate cartridges and switching the regulator of the gas removal mechanism. Power supply for both types of cartridges is carried out from regular stores from AK-74 assault rifles. An integrated 40mm under-barrel grenade launcher firing grenades of the VOG-25 type is installed under the barrel of the ADS machine gun. The firing of the grenade launcher is carried out with the help of an additional trigger located inside the trigger guard in front of the main one. If there is no need for it, the grenade launcher barrel along with the grenade launcher can be removed to facilitate weapons. For special operations, the ADF machine can be equipped with a silencer for the sound of shots, optical and night sights, a laser target indicator, and a tactical flashlight.
  9. ward
    ward April 10 2012 11: 03 New
    -1
    And the devil pulled me to dive behind this sink, otherwise it could have swam with them ... plus ...
  10. TRex
    TRex April 10 2012 11: 17 New
    +6
    Caspian flotilla combat swimmers master weapons for underwater shooting - this is the name of the article. I want to ask - until now, what did the combat swimmers master and what did they do? Drill training?
    I somehow worked with these guys and more or less know the specifics of their service. It was these units in all fleets that should have been a long time ago staffed with professionals knowledgeable and able to apply all their special tools anytime, anywhere ...
    You read and think: do conscripts serve there again? What can they learn in a year? And why to spray forces and means for annual updating of divisions? The headache continues ...

    As for weapons ... Once in the North they dropped a gun overboard the TFR - they dived for three days and looked for it. The barrel was a top secret ... There was a screech ...
    1. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY April 10 2012 12: 08 New
      +5
      TRex
      If it would be possible, I would not just + put it to you, but a big one.
      On this occasion, an interesting story is recalled with the flagship of the Baltic Fleet cruiser Sergo Ordzhinikidze that happened in London.
      According to the recognition of the Soviet combat swimmer during the underwater guard, he destroyed the "Frog Man" Lionel Crabb.
      And according to the officer who served on the cruiser at that time, Crabbe got a bargain on the head from an ordinary sailor who paid attention to the light under water.
      That's all the special forces.
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac April 10 2012 13: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: DEMENTIY
        And according to the officer who served on the cruiser at that time, Crabbe got a bargain on the head from an ordinary sailor who paid attention to the light under water.
        That's all the special forces.

        enlighten pozhalsta, as on the head yes by the bargain - the BELL, they could knock. or did the sailor "human frog" use his tongue instead?
      2. Arkan
        Arkan April 10 2012 14: 00 New
        +3
        DEMENTIY, Crabbe had the task of inspecting the cruiser's propellers. The Soviet agents became aware of the details of the operation, and during the inspection of the cruiser’s screws “accidentally” set in motion ... Crabb was simply chopped into a small vinigret. laughing good
        1. Bear52
          Bear52 April 11 2012 11: 40 New
          +1
          One way or another, the story of the market is navy harassment, if, I hope, not nonsense! drinks
          Ready to argue, but hardly anyone would be interested ... fellow
    2. ward
      ward April 10 2012 21: 29 New
      0
      I didn’t shoot under water, but in general there’s some experience ... it's like on a violin, scribbled a day, you catch up with a week ... to be at the level of the first level 50, give it without sin ...
  11. gispanec
    gispanec April 10 2012 11: 39 New
    +4
    Everything with seals is not very bad at all. The main thing is that this elite of the Navy will always fulfill almost any task. And they are not badly armed, especially when they work outside the homeland. These are secret guys ..... killing machines (adversaries) and cool men in the homeland. We had and have a cold war ..... and they always have it hot .... to this day!
    1. JoylyRoger
      JoylyRoger April 10 2012 14: 30 New
      0
      It’s only a shame that some training centers remained abroad, where the USSR used to be.
    2. TRex
      TRex April 11 2012 09: 19 New
      0
      Watch less films on NTV ...
  12. dred
    dred April 10 2012 11: 52 New
    0
    I heard that American cats said that they would not want to meet with our swimmers. And in preparation and equipment our best.
    1. ward
      ward April 10 2012 21: 33 New
      +2
      The first line-up of the Delta group seems to have been destroyed in Grenada ... and then something went wrong with them ... so their successes are mainly in Hollywood ...
      1. Arkan
        Arkan April 11 2012 03: 54 New
        0
        ward, "Delta" is a rescue and not a sabotage squad.
        1. Bear52
          Bear52 April 11 2012 11: 42 New
          0
          Yeah ?! Then our Airborne Forces are a subsidiary of the Ministry of Emergencies and the Ministry of Education tongue wassat drinks
          1. Arkan
            Arkan April 11 2012 20: 51 New
            +1
            Bear52, "Delta" (or the first detachment of special operations) was really created on the basis of the "green berets" as a universal unit (anti-terror, sabotage, etc.) unit. However, after the failure of the operation "Hawk Claw" the 160th Special Aviation Regiment was created operations (Special Operation Air Regiment) or "Night Stalkers" whose main task is the fight against terrorism (universality has not justified itself). "Delta" was really used in all anti-terrorist operations but always in combination (with very rare exceptions) with the "Night Stalkers" or the 6th detachment of SEAL - these are sea saboteurs, or "Seals" (abbreviation of "SEAL - the sea, air, land in English as a reader of "forces" - a seal) with the main task - rescue (release) of hostages. Perhaps that is why Delta is attributed to functions unusual for them. Delta was involved in sabotage only at the initial stage of the Iraq war ( installation of radio beacons, artillery fire adjustment ii), in the future they were engaged in the evacuation of crews of downed Allied aircraft. “Delta” is a detachment of military paramedics included in the special forces structure! If you have other information, please share.
  13. dimaas
    dimaas April 10 2012 12: 16 New
    +2
    Puzzled by the dependence of range on depth. It seems that the density of the liquid does not depend on the depth, the buoyancy force, too. The physics of the phenomenon is incomprehensible. request
    1. Wild
      Wild April 10 2012 12: 52 New
      +6
      It all depends on the pressure on the bullet. The deeper, the greater the pressure, and, as a consequence, the lower the range.
      And the article is a plus. I read about Western models, but they are an order of magnitude worse than the old APS, not to mention our modern developments.
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 10 2012 13: 08 New
      +4
      It's simple. With increasing depth, the pressure that has to be overcome by powder gases increases in order to push a needle-bullet. Well, accordingly, the firing range is less ..
      1. Arkan
        Arkan April 10 2012 14: 04 New
        +3
        That's right! I can only add: The range of fire from an APS at any depth exceeds the line of sight.
  14. Bear52
    Bear52 April 10 2012 13: 56 New
    +2
    All this is cute and correct, comrade .... Only here is the news - is it not a consequence of the appearance of the appropriate units in our Caspian neighbors!? Or am I frayed? repeat
    1. Arkan
      Arkan April 10 2012 15: 43 New
      +2
      Bear52 "Is this not the consequence of the appearance of our units in our Caspian neighbors!" - What difference does it make? In the days of the USSR, the water protection was provided by the PDSS service (for sure, any developed country that has such services has something to protect in the coastal zone), and completely different units were engaged in sabotage: Vympel, Dolphin ... (unfortunately, many of them were abused by Yeltsin.). It is impossible to understand from the article (yes, incorrectly and correctly) which ones units will go new weapons, but this and The main thing is that Russian combat swimmers have an overwhelming advantage in underwater combat (both with people and animals) thanks to these weapons (regardless of whether they are defensive or attack). They would also have modern means of detection - for major major.
      1. Bear52
        Bear52 April 11 2012 11: 47 New
        0
        I don’t argue, but J. Roger was on his guard - I’m not alone am
  15. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 10 2012 14: 22 New
    0
    Some unhealthy movement begins in the Caspian region.
    Something is brewing
  16. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf April 10 2012 16: 01 New
    0
    Police officers acquire security equipment for seaports for 320 million rubles

    The Ministry of Internal Affairs is going to thoroughly protect sea ports from underwater saboteurs, where ships with nuclear power plants are based or ships carrying radiation materials call in. The police will spend 320 million rubles on the purchase of two complexes consisting of fast boats, all-terrain vehicles, diving posts and surveillance equipment.

    10.04.2012 / Izvestia.ru / comments: 0 / views: 111 /
    Ministry of Internal Affairs will protect nuclear submarines from underwater saboteurs

    A Izvestia source at the Ministry of Internal Affairs said that the systems are being purchased as part of a large-scale state program for ensuring transport safety worth more than 46 billion rubles. Particular attention will be paid to protecting the facilities of the upcoming APEC summit in Vladivostok this year, as well as the Sochi Olympics in 2014.

    Question
    why then combat swimmers in the fleets, the GRU, the FSB
    And what chiches they will be equipped with
    1. Arkan
      Arkan April 10 2012 18: 57 New
      +1
      Ruswolf
      "Question
      why then combat swimmers in the fleets, the GRU, the FSB
      And what kind of cones they will be equipped with. "The answer is obvious - that would ensure the protection of civilian objects without compromising the security of the military (normal practice), and saboteurs may be needed elsewhere (the situation in the world is complicated).
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf April 10 2012 19: 15 New
        +2
        The question is with subtext
        Is the Ministry of Internal Affairs too militarized
        Yes, and do not forget that extra-departmental security works for payment
        then, in addition to building up forces and creating their own “empire,” some people still want to make money on this. Can you imagine how much these services cost?
        And about the safety of the military - this is complete nonsense. Let's not conduct exercises and maneuvers will be more whole and save money. And the technique for d glass and wheels to paint so what.
        But this is all everyday service where skill is honed. a lot of talk about prof. army. Here is the answer - instead of you, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and you take care of yourself, and they need it and what they care for, if every descent is life, it’s an experience, it’s what tomorrow your friend will need you, someone who asks for help , and they will be answered no specialists (remember Kursk) like that! I think so and will think because a diver is not a profession this is life
        1. Arkan
          Arkan April 10 2012 20: 36 New
          +1
          Ruswolf.There are similar units in the police of many countries and I don’t see anything wrong with that (I don’t remove the protection of some naval base for the sake of the next scam), and the appearance of such units in the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs doesn’t cancel the military training of the military. and there, to conduct exercises, saboteurs, travel around the world under the guise of divers or tourists and study the waters of potential "friends", as well as "test for strength" PDSS. At the same time, someone must ensure the safety of various "civilian events ёyatiy ", it’s most logical to give this function to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the temperature during such events will be protected by the needy and various river bridges remote from the sea. Well, and about the" cut of the bobla "- Russia is now a capitalist country and nothing can be done about it wink . ". the diver is not a profession this is life" - with this, as a scuba diver fishing for fish and crayfish, I agree 100% drinks
  17. TRex
    TRex April 10 2012 19: 34 New
    +3
    Plaque fly! Which Ministry of Internal Affairs? What a fright? Then, well, you can’t do without the Ministry of Emergency Situations ... And as you hadn’t guessed before, that nuclear submarines should protect cops!
    Why did we need all these OSNaz brigades and other PDSS? Why threw grenades in the water while standing on barrels somewhere in the Mediterranean?
    It was necessary to call the police order and the whole business ...

    The Ministry of Internal Affairs will not do this. Nobody will let them go there.

    а maybe reformed before that ... we don’t know everything ...
  18. gispanec
    gispanec April 10 2012 20: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: TRex
    It was necessary to call the police order and the whole business ...

    exactly on board the district and the track ... and the PPS outfit with a makarich .... all all the cats will die of laughter
  19. Igor-71
    Igor-71 April 11 2012 00: 16 New
    +2
    uuuuh ... with such weapons we’ll tear overseas ichthyander! ... no fur seals and dogs are in our way! good
  20. gispanec
    gispanec April 11 2012 07: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: taseka
    I think our fighting swimmers with dignity will drown all kinds of seals and seals there!

    )) ... by the way, seals are our guys .... the amers have seals ..... and they have training on the go .... and underwater clashes were not always in our favor .... the enemy must be respected.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan April 11 2012 21: 28 New
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      gispanec, "... by the way seals are our guys .... the amers have seals ...." - on the contrary ...! )))
  21. eduard.ganush
    eduard.ganush 1 May 2012 05: 11 New
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    Great cars!
  22. BorisBM
    BorisBM 5 June 2012 19: 11 New
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    The good thing is that we have combat swimmers. And the fact that no one has yet leased them as a nuclear submarine in the Pacific Fleet, Indian Navy. It’s good that we also have weapons for these swimmers. it’s better if they finally found each other. And swimmers and weapons. Then, it would be possible to wash seals and all kinds of other marine and non-marine animals there when the time comes.