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Why Ukraine is not needed by Ukraine?

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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine notified concern "Ukroboronprom" that the fleet does not need an unfinished rocket cruiser "Ukraine", reports RIA News.




The Defense Ministry confirmed that it is not expedient to finish building a cruiser for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. By this decision, the ministry actually removed the question of the need to maintain the cruiser by the state enterprise "Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant"

- it is spoken in release of "Ukroboronprom".

It is reported that a final decision on whether the republic needs an unfinished cruiser will be taken by the cabinet. The concern is not opposed to completing the project, but it should be allocated funds in the state defense order for 2018 year.

Otherwise, it is necessary to “sell it unfinished or continue to allocate funds for its maintenance.”

The company noted that numerous experts spoke of the inexpediency of the completion of the missile cruiser, since the armament for which the ship was created was hopelessly outdated.

The agency recalls that the construction of the fourth in a series of missile cruiser called "Admiral fleet Of the Soviet Union of Lobov "began in Nikolaev in 1984. After 6 years, the ship was launched in a state of 75 percent readiness, and in 1993 it became the property of Ukraine and then received its current name.

All this time, the cruiser stood at the pier of the shipyard.

In March, 2017, the president, Petro Poroshenko, signed a decree on the demilitarization of the cruiser. According to local authorities, the ship’s hull and turbines may be of interest to potential buyers.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 22 December 2017 09: 36 New
    +4
    Outbid through a third party and completed before their eyes.
    1. san4es
      san4es 22 December 2017 09: 38 New
      29
      Quote: Teberii
      Outbid through a third party and completed before their eyes.

      ... don't, he's damned am
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 22 December 2017 09: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: san4es
        ..Do not, he is damned

        Is this real information, or your speculation?
        1. san4es
          san4es 22 December 2017 09: 49 New
          34
          Quote: Chertt
          Is this real information, or your speculation?

          ... These are real speculations
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 22 December 2017 09: 53 New
            10
            Sanya, hi! hi Dill their "Saiga cottage" to the mind can not bring, where the "Ukraine" bother. Now, if someone kind to him brought it to the "marketable" appearance for free ... wink
            1. san4es
              san4es 22 December 2017 09: 56 New
              +3
              Healthy Max.
              Yes, there technology and power are lost with the minds
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 22 December 2017 09: 59 New
                +7
                Quote: san4es
                there technology and power are lost with the minds

                Guess who's to blame? wink
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 22 December 2017 13: 46 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Jedi
                  Guess who's to blame? wink

                  Jedi shh, the 404ths will never be recognized ... At the same time, the smirk of the GDP does not give them rest, and does not allow them to sleep, and they do not give up fuel, and neither do coal, and soon they will not give gas lol and they vseravno not recognized bully
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 22 December 2017 11: 03 New
              +5
              Max welcome! hi
              Quote: Jedi
              Now, if someone kind to him brought him to the "marketable" look

              The Chinese at the dawn of Independence bought a lot of things from Ukraine for beads, but they didn’t bother with Lobov what although the pans offered them wholesale for 10 kg beads bully
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 22 December 2017 11: 09 New
                +5
                Sergey, good to see you! hi Now, only now the Chinese themselves have gotten used to it, and dill has been broken. lol
            3. Shura Sailors
              Shura Sailors 22 December 2017 13: 42 New
              +3
              What's the point? Watchdog (corvette?
              destroyer?) contain nothing, but here the cruiser ... request
              It would be interesting if we had a cruiser and a retinue of armored boats and a lame guard.
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 22 December 2017 13: 45 New
                +3
                And I’m not saying that there will be any sense, but there’s no gain anywhere. wink
                1. Shura Sailors
                  Shura Sailors 22 December 2017 14: 49 New
                  +2
                  You will not be full of ambition and ambition. The Ukrainian Navy has enough ambitions (in the ratio of the number of admirals to the combat unit of the fleet, the Ukrainian Navy is ahead of the rest). But for what means just contain (about the price of weapons for "Ukraine" and its periodic replenishment just silent) such a colossus? Here, they are trying to give birth to the first Keserov-independent corvette, at least (Keserov’s) (and even prolonged labor, and not the fact that it will be born) ...
                  So for big ambitions, the brain would also be big ...
                  DREAMS
                  1. Jedi
                    Jedi 22 December 2017 14: 52 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Shura sailors
                    So for big ambitions, the brain would also be big ...

                    With this problem is worse than with the fleet.
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 22 December 2017 09: 52 New
        10
        The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine notified the Ukroboronprom concern that the fleet does not need the unfinished missile cruiser Ukraine

        Well, so the cruiser must notify the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense that he does not need Ukraine and its fleet. laughing
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 22 December 2017 13: 21 New
          +1
          With a modern name, the fate of the ship was a foregone conclusion.
        2. Sargas
          Sargas 22 December 2017 14: 32 New
          +1
          “Moscow” something like that from Ukraine and broke through.
    2. Burbon
      Burbon 22 December 2017 09: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Teberii
      Outbid through a third party

      Well, this is not realistic in principle ..... but we only need turbines ...... the rest is m / scrap ..... although if at the price of m / scrap it would be nice to buy and finish it .. ....Dreams Dreams.....
      1. Popovich
        Popovich 22 December 2017 09: 48 New
        +5
        there all the metal has already rotted, there’s nothing even to melt ....
        1. volodya
          volodya 22 December 2017 10: 03 New
          +8
          Quote: Popovich
          there all the metal has already rotted, there’s nothing even to melt ....

          If you look at what they are doing, they definitely do not need Ukraine! Not to mention the cruiser!
          1. Sergey53
            Sergey53 22 December 2017 12: 37 New
            0
            Quote: volodya
            Quote: Popovich
            there all the metal has already rotted, there’s nothing even to melt ....

            If you look at what they are doing, they definitely do not need Ukraine! Not to mention the cruiser!

            To bring Ukraine to its normal state, even a ship, even a country under the same name, it is necessary to invest a huge amount. Neither in the first case nor in the second they have no money for this and will not appear. And they know that.
        2. Burbon
          Burbon 22 December 2017 10: 14 New
          +6
          Quote: Popovich
          there all the metal has already rotted

          laughing wassat ... but what about his brothers, Moscow, Varyag, Ustinov ?? .... are they older than .... and have not decayed? ... what kind of nonsense? ... do you even know the brand for these ships? - no? ... then do not post nonsense!
          1. Sargas
            Sargas 22 December 2017 14: 34 New
            +2
            Do you know the difference between a piece of iron in work and the same piece of iron lying around under a fence?
            1. Burbon
              Burbon 22 December 2017 15: 06 New
              0
              Quote: Sargas
              between the piece of iron

              everything is clear with you ... happily connoisseur .... fool
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 22 December 2017 09: 44 New
      +4
      Serdyukov wanted to buy scrap metal at the price; it didn’t work. This is under Janek. And now it’s impossible
    4. Megatron
      Megatron 22 December 2017 09: 51 New
      14
      We have our THREE Eagles on the docks, that's what we need to modernize and plow the seas!
      1. Andrew
        Andrew 22 December 2017 20: 55 New
        0
        Yeah, one of which (Peter the Great) will soon be gone for repairs, “Admiral Nakhimov” will appear in the Navy no earlier than 2021 and “Admiral Lazarev” is similar in its fate to this “Ukraine”. They cannot repair it there and the Navy is apparently not very up to it and needs it
    5. Topotun
      Topotun 22 December 2017 10: 04 New
      +7
      It's easier to build a new one. Probably it’s up to Mama to put it into a divine form. And the whole range of weapons must be modernized. Simply new.
    6. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 22 December 2017 10: 06 New
      +2
      cheaper to build than to build this
    7. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 22 December 2017 10: 09 New
      10
      Hmm, somehow everything sounds ambiguous: Ukraine does not need Ukraine! If you take it by ear, it all explains right away! And we are worried, we are panting, and it’s like that! negative
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 22 December 2017 10: 51 New
        +3
        "if you want to ruin a country, give her a cruiser" - I don’t remember (in old age) who said, but to look, it’s lazy.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 22 December 2017 21: 36 New
          +5
          So this is logic
          Quote: Dead Day
          "if you want to ruin a country, give her a cruiser."

          Golden words, so the “partners” of the 404th come here: they’re expensive to cut old ships themselves for needles, so they give them away to the “surrendered”, with one condition: obligatory modernization for livestock from previous owners - taxpayers stand on end, but discipline.
    8. Romka47
      Romka47 22 December 2017 12: 14 New
      +1
      What for it is necessary? To complete it, you will need so much money that you can build 3 corvettes, or 6 RTOs. (it is approximately). What's the point? our “partners” will need to spend 1 RCC on it, for what can be built many times more.
    9. NEXUS
      NEXUS 22 December 2017 13: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Teberii
      Outbid through a third party and completed before their eyes.

      We have been building Nakhimov for 5 years already ... why the hell do we need this pen without us? We need to build new ones, and not to buy up scrap metal.
    10. ibirus
      ibirus 22 December 2017 18: 06 New
      +2
      It makes no sense, it is old, the structure of the case is rusty. It will be cheaper to build a pair of frigates.
    11. yousha1980
      yousha1980 23 December 2017 10: 49 New
      0
      And do not change the name.
  2. FID
    FID 22 December 2017 09: 38 New
    +9
    Needles, needles, needles ... All of Africa and Southeast Asia (well, the Caribbean states) will throw needles ....
    1. novel66
      novel66 22 December 2017 09: 44 New
      +5
      and "tavriy" put out
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 22 December 2017 10: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: SSI
      Needles, needles, needles ... All of Africa and Southeast Asia (well, the Caribbean states) will throw needles ....

      get Sergey, -cactus ....
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 22 December 2017 13: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: SSI
      Needles, needles, needles ... All of Africa and Southeast Asia (well, the Caribbean states) will throw needles ....

      Break not build, Sergey Ivanovich. I recall how, under the rapturous screeches of the pan-and-leg, two Swans were executed.
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 22 December 2017 22: 53 New
        0
        Really? There they are sort of .... emnip 7 sawed and 7 given to us?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 22 December 2017 23: 31 New
          +3
          No, thank God only two.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 December 2017 09: 41 New
    +5
    ... and where will ukrokakly get their admirals ?! lol wassat ... then at least they were "attached" ... laughing laughing
    1. Popovich
      Popovich 22 December 2017 09: 45 New
      +6
      each admiral on a boat ....
      (somehow ambiguously it turned out, the second option is even better ..)
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 22 December 2017 09: 53 New
        +2
        Popovich Today, 09: 45 ↑
        to each admiral a boat ...
        ... the boat is only with the commander of Ukrokaklovsky Khloth ... and this paddle, so that the second could receive salaries ...
  4. DMoroz
    DMoroz 22 December 2017 09: 41 New
    +7
    The fleet does not need “Ukraine”.
    The fleet of Ukraine, too ... Therefore, the opinions coincided ...
  5. Overlock
    Overlock 22 December 2017 09: 42 New
    +3
    someone said that if you want to ruin a country, give her a cruiser.
    And here it’s not necessary to give, it’s already ruined.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 December 2017 14: 32 New
      +1
      Yes, in the First World War, the cruiser "Averov" gobbled up all of Greece.
  6. pjastolov
    pjastolov 22 December 2017 09: 44 New
    13
    The Ministry of Defense confirmed that building a cruiser for the needs of the Armed Forces is impractical.
    what for? people already learned from them abroad, and popularly explained that large ships are not needed
    1. Popovich
      Popovich 22 December 2017 10: 13 New
      +3
      after the last time the Russian sailors released the Somalis .... everyone forgot about them ..
      1. pjastolov
        pjastolov 22 December 2017 10: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Popovich
        after the last time the Russian sailors released the Somalis .... everyone forgot about them ..

        so our popularly explained to them - it’s not good to do it, so they convey experience
        1. KCA
          KCA 22 December 2017 11: 06 New
          +2
          And someone still sailed to the shore to explain?
          1. pjastolov
            pjastolov 22 December 2017 11: 11 New
            +2
            Yes, not sure, I sent a note in the bottle
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 December 2017 09: 46 New
    +3
    doesn't need an unfinished missile cruiser
    You read such news about their fleet and the idea comes that Ukraine, hyped by its "significance", probably thinks that the Americans will create their own private Black Sea Fleet exclusively for them and take sides to defend a "democratic" Ukraine.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 22 December 2017 09: 50 New
      +6
      This was left to them from the USSR, when everyone was scampering with Ukraine like a written bag, calling it "the breadbasket and the nurse." Therefore, pots still by inertia consider themselves "sluggish." It’s ridiculous to read in the comments on YouTube and on the forums where the horses quite seriously write that the Russians without them will begin to swell from hunger and crawl to the Ukrainians for food and work. Nothing, soon they will realize that in significance they are no different from Romania or Bulgaria.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 December 2017 14: 27 New
        +2
        Yes, I remember how Kuchma showed Yeltsin’s cookies and yelled "I won’t give fat, I won’t give myas!"
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 22 December 2017 09: 51 New
      +3
      Somehow it happened that the Americans feel uncomfortable in the Black Sea
      1. pjastolov
        pjastolov 22 December 2017 10: 18 New
        +8
        Quote: Chertt
        Somehow it happened that the Americans feel uncomfortable in the Black Sea

        so there is our kraken
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 December 2017 14: 30 New
      +2
      And what in the Volyn, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivs, Ternopil provinces the sea appeared and the Navy ???
  8. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 22 December 2017 09: 53 New
    0
    In principle, they did the right thing. For 24 years, he is already decaying on the pier, there is no reason to restore it, it will cost the cost of building a new cruiser from scratch, while 404 has no money for it. These are hundreds of millions of bucks, if not billions. And again, then it will be necessary to maintain it, and oh, how much it will cost. And Ukraine does not need such a cruiser, the main enemies for pots are Russia and Poland, with which 404 have a common land border, and in the event of a military conflict with them, the cruiser is simply not needed. Ukraine is not on an island located like Britain.
  9. Kerensky
    Kerensky 22 December 2017 10: 01 New
    0
    will have to "sell unfinished or continue to allocate funds for its maintenance."

    Whose factory is it? And then they will sell it, but they will continue to receive funds ....
  10. vodolaz
    vodolaz 22 December 2017 10: 10 New
    0
    Again, the Chinese will be sold at the price of scrap metal, but will they be restored?
  11. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 22 December 2017 10: 18 New
    0
    The Chinese will buy !, like scrap metal, and finish building! lol
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 December 2017 14: 24 New
      +1
      And what to finish! you put the barrel in the garden and see what happens from it in 30 years and 3 years.
  12. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 22 December 2017 10: 21 New
    +1
    Why finish building the cruiser, if possible, with this money, get a few more admirals ??))
    According to the admiral, for every boat, a terrible force laughing
  13. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 22 December 2017 10: 29 New
    +2
    The rusty and rotten name of the name of the parachute, it is so symbolic for the current ukroiny! .... lol tongue
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 December 2017 14: 22 New
      +1
      The name on the "Navarish" and not native, original.
  14. a housewife
    a housewife 22 December 2017 10: 30 New
    +4
    And Ukraine sat at the unfinished trough for exactly thirty years and three years! And I thought - why did it give me up?
  15. gorgo
    gorgo 22 December 2017 10: 50 New
    0
    How all this is disgusting ... and worthy of many tears.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 December 2017 14: 21 New
      +1
      Sorry, but here you can’t help with tears.
  16. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 22 December 2017 14: 20 New
    +3
    Thirty-three years to the ship! It’s already time for “needles” by age, and the ukrocanthropists are trying to suck him in to some idiot like a “novice”. 70% of equipment and 100% of weapons were produced outside of Ukraine, more precisely, in the country-partner with which all relations were broken. And who needs such a “lyalyka? Yes, and look, one rust, no one has been taking care of 33 of the year. Yukrain will get one exit to India for the“ needles ”of thousands of 200 bucks.
  17. gukoyan
    gukoyan 22 December 2017 15: 05 New
    0
    I won’t be surprised if they sell to China at the price of ferrous metal, and dibs cut.
  18. gukoyan
    gukoyan 22 December 2017 15: 08 New
    0
    I won’t be surprised that they will sell to China at the price of ferrous metal, and they will cut the butterflies)
  19. valent45
    valent45 23 December 2017 09: 11 New
    0
    Because Ukraine itself is in a landfill!