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Zyuganov proposed to nominate the director of the state farm named after Lenin P. Grudinin as a presidential candidate

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It became known that the leader of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennady Zyuganov proposed nominating Pavel Grudinin, the general director of a successful Moscow region economy, as a presidential candidate. We are talking about the state-famous Lenin State Farm, which shows an impressive pace of development. Information about the initiative to nominate Grudinin as a candidate by the political leadership of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation was confirmed by State Duma deputy Valery Rashkin.


It is noted that the final decision on the candidate for the Communist Party will be taken at the congress of the Communist Party, which will be held on Saturday 23 December. Before this, the question will be discussed, of course, with Pavel Grudinin himself.

Zyuganov proposed to nominate the director of the state farm named after Lenin P. Grudinin as a presidential candidate


The congress will also discuss whether Gennady Zyuganov himself will be nominated as a presidential candidate.

Valery Rashkin's statement:
Zyuganov will definitely participate in the election campaign, since he is the chairman of the party. Another question is who?

Experts note that Pavel Grudinin (in the event of his final nomination) with the support of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation has substantial chances to get a sufficiently large number of votes, even despite the fact that this person can hardly be called a “media person”. The reason is that many Russians are tired of media people and pay attention to the results achieved by people.

For reference: Pavel Grudinin received a degree in mechanical engineering at MIISP im. Goryachkina, in 1982, graduated from the Russian Academy of State Service under the President of the Russian Federation with a degree in jurisprudence. Three times elected deputy of the Moscow City Duma. He has numerous diplomas and awards from the president, government and parliament of the country, as well as the title "Honored Worker of Agriculture of the Russian Federation." According to recent data, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not a member, however, as they say, it sympathizes with this particular political party.
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  1. Anarchist
    Anarchist 22 December 2017 06: 25 New
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    Let at least put forward someone, the result is known in advance!
    Well, such non-alternative elections ...
    1. corporal
      corporal 22 December 2017 06: 28 New
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      Quote: Anarchist
      Well, such non-alternative elections ...

      Well, suddenly ..... there are miracles in the world.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 22 December 2017 06: 38 New
        21
        Quote: Corporal
        Well, suddenly ..... there are miracles in the world.

        Of course they will !!!
      2. Anarchist
        Anarchist 22 December 2017 06: 40 New
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        Quote: Corporal
        Quote: Anarchist
        Well, such non-alternative elections ...

        Well, suddenly ..... there are miracles in the world.

        1. asv96
          asv96 22 December 2017 08: 52 New
          +1
          What a pessimism to drink and take cover
          1. Dashout
            Dashout 23 December 2017 10: 12 New
            +4
            Well, which of the Grudinin President? Is it a field to sow strawberries or participate in a television show? It would be better if the Communist Party did not nominate a candidate ... Is it to compare him with Zyuganov? Gorbachev also seems to be from the chairmen of the collective farm ... and what is the result?
      3. Sergey53
        Sergey53 22 December 2017 13: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: Corporal
        Quote: Anarchist
        Well, such non-alternative elections ...

        Well, suddenly ..... there are miracles in the world.

        No matter what, support it is necessary.
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 22 December 2017 06: 56 New
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      Communist Party behaves extremely without initiative. Having an excellent opportunity to formulate their political program in the sphere of "social sphere" A very important topic for Russia, Zyuganovites are engaged in outright nonsense. Hearing about the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, a children's rhyme pops up in my head, "Hut with Baba Yaga, is wandering, by itself
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 22 December 2017 07: 11 New
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        Quote: Chertt
        Having an excellent opportunity to formulate your political program in the sphere of "social sphere" A very important topic for Russia

        The program is also very balanced. Only all of them do not voice it. Look, but on the Internet everything is both textual and in ideo format. hi
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 22 December 2017 07: 24 New
          +6
          hi
          Quote: Stroporez
          The program is also very balanced. Only all of them do not voice it.

          I have the same thing, something "balanced" But we are talking about the Big Party, the oldest faction in the State Duma of the Russian Federation. There is no way to convey your position. ?? You may know that in the Irkutsk region they chose the governor S. Levchenko. member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. Do you think there are changes
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 22 December 2017 07: 30 New
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            Quote: Chertt
            But we are talking about the Big Party, the oldest faction in the State Duma of the Russian Federation. There is no way to convey your position. ??

            Grudinin is being promoted as a representative of the wide opposition (PDS NPSR), with a program and a team ready now to change the government.!
            Quote: Chertt
            I have the same thing, something "balanced"

            You see, even you have, and the president had no clearly stated strategic development program and no!
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 07: 45 New
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              Quote: Stroporez
              with a program and a team ready now to change the government

              Where is the program? Who is on the team?
              Stroporez, since they already said meow A said, negotiate ...
              PS: send to Google, go ... in general, go far laughing
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 22 December 2017 08: 11 New
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                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Where is the program? Who is on the team?

                Is it interesting to you? what
                Look here

                P.N. Grudinin, O.N.Smolin, Yuri Boldyrev, N.V. Baglaev N.V. Kolemeytsev, V.I.Sobolev, K.Sivkov, L.G. Ivashov, V.V.Kvachkov (imprisoned on, from our point of view, unfounded accusation), A.M. Bazhutin (leader associations of road carriers that fight against corruption in fact in favor of private individuals through the Platon system), V.Yu. Katasonov, E.L. Rokhlina, I.I. Strelkov, FILIN VLADIMIR IVANOVICH, K.V. Barabash (one of participants IGPR "Call", which in the near future should be sentenced), ON Chetverikova and others.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 22 December 2017 09: 14 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Yuri Boldyrev, N.V.

                  And this is when he managed to "change shoes"?
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 22 December 2017 09: 50 New
                    21
                    managed to "change shoes"?
                    Well, your Putin, as a liberal, has not changed his beliefs.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 10: 11 New
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                      Quote: Gardamir
                      managed to "change shoes"?
                      Well, your Putin, as a liberal, has not changed his beliefs.

                      They asked, dragging, not about that. And certainly not you yes
                    2. RUSS
                      RUSS 22 December 2017 11: 41 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      managed to "change shoes"?
                      Well, your Putin, as a liberal, has not changed his beliefs.

                      Yes, you can’t attribute to Putin a “political prostitution” like Boldyrev and others.
                      1. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 22 December 2017 13: 26 New
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                        Yes, you can’t attribute to Putin a “political prostitution” like Boldyrev and others.
                        He was a communist, but in the days of the coup, he left both the CPSU and the KGB.
                2. Stirbjorn
                  Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 09: 16 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  P.N. Grudinin, O.N.Smolin, Yuri Boldyrev, N.V. Baglaev N.V. Kolemeytsev, V.I.Sobolev, K.Sivkov, L.G. Ivashov, V.V.Kvachkov (imprisoned on, from our point of view, unfounded accusation), A.M. Bazhutin (leader associations of road carriers that fight against corruption in fact in favor of private individuals through the Platon system), V.Yu. Katasonov, E.L. Rokhlina, I.I. Strelkov, FILIN VLADIMIR IVANOVICH, K.V. Barabash (one of participants IGPR "Call", which in the near future should be sentenced), ON Chetverikova and others.

                  Here the majority does not look at all these names, but says that apart from his state farm Grudinin is worth nothing - Bodyrev is a politician, Baglaev is an industrialist, Katasonov is an economist, Rokhlina is a human rights activist, Sobolev and Ivashov are military, Strelkov is a former FSB officer and so on.
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 22 December 2017 09: 29 New
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                    Quote: Stirbjorn
                    Here the majority does not look at all these names, but says

                    And here, either information hunger, or reluctance to understand the situation, because litter-TV will come up with everything laughing
                    But the team really gathered serious., And taking into account the Communist Party itself, sympathizers and other national patriots, and besides, if competently “piled up” will reorient, then the force is significant. good
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 10: 12 New
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                      Quote: Stroporez
                      and besides, if competently “heaped up” will reorient “, then the force is significant

                      Dreaming is not harmful. Harmful - don't dream tongue
                    2. abrakadabre
                      abrakadabre 23 December 2017 09: 04 New
                      +1
                      and taking into account the Communist Party itself
                      And what of the Communist Party? This party is communist only in name. In fact, this is a petty-bourgeois party, such as some kind of cadets of the sample of 1916. All their affairs for the entire existence speak of this. But they do not even need to come up with any programs. Just take the party program of the NEP period and slightly adjust it to modern conditions. And publicly, in principle, to defend it. And so, now these are bad clowns parasitizing in the name of their predecessors - VKPB.
                  2. Pancir026
                    Pancir026 22 December 2017 16: 45 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Stirbjorn
                    Here the majority does not look at all these names, but says that apart from his state farm Grudinin is worth nothing - Bodyrev is a politician, Baglaev is an industrialist, Katasonov is an economist, Rokhlina is a human rights activist, Sobolev and Ivashov are military, Strelkov is a former FSB officer and so on.

                    You contradict yourself.
                    It’s not worth it if people are named, plus the Communist Party program. You have to lie that way. You have to panic or something, are you trying so hard to disavow Grudinin?
                    It will be a laugh when, after March 18, the government will assemble without you, erovskih .... and other liberals from the HSE.
            2. Chertt
              Chertt 22 December 2017 07: 48 New
              +8
              I am familiar with the Union (Council) of the Russian People, and with the decisions of the PDS NPSR. This is an alternative to the current government, in my opinion the only real one in the Russian Federation. But there are many "childhood diseases" of growth problems. If they are overcome, then by 2024 there may be a serious candidate
            3. Fox
              Fox 22 December 2017 08: 01 New
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              Quote: Stroporez
              Grudinin is being promoted as a representative of the wide opposition (PDS NPSR), with a program and a team ready now to change the government.!

              Now what do Putinophiles say? it’s just interesting ... they only have ksyushad and bulk in their minds.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 22 December 2017 08: 31 New
                +6
                Quote: Fox
                Quote: Stroporez
                Grudinin is being promoted as a representative of the wide opposition (PDS NPSR), with a program and a team ready now to change the government.!

                Now what do Putinophiles say? it’s just interesting ... they only have ksyushad and bulk in their minds.

                Because the Communist Party and the Liberal Democratic Party with others are quite pocketed and satisfied with the status quo.
          2. Esoteric
            Esoteric 23 December 2017 05: 46 New
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            Quote: Chertt
            You may know that in the Irkutsk region they chose the governor S. Levchenko. member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. Do you think there are changes

            You know, the development of the Russian Federation today is similar to the last years of the existence of the Byzantine Empire:
            The big problem was the gradual loss of real control over remote areas and provinces. Especially sharply felt the contradiction between the provinces and the well-fed, wealthy capital - Constantinople, which largely lived off the impoverished outskirts. At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the Byzantine writer Mikhail Khoniat wrote with bitter reproach, addressing the inhabitants of the capital: “Do not rivers of all wealth flow into the capital, as if in a single sea? But you do not want to look out from behind your walls and gates, you do not want to look at the cities surrounding you, waiting for justice from you; you send tax officials one after another, with their bestial teeth, to devour the last remains. But you yourself remain at home, indulging in peace, and extracting wealth. ”

            Therefore, if the development of the capital is allocated 2 rubles (population 200 and 000 rubles per inhabitant) + the budget of the Moscow region 000 (population 000 and 12 rubles each) and Irkutsk region, where there are only 280 hydroelectric power stations with a budget of 000 each of 179 has been allocated 000 rubles), as they say, feel the difference. Therefore, if Putin himself becomes the governor, nothing will change in the current situation. The budget deficit of the city of Moscow !!! belay 221 000 000 000 rubles fellow every tenth ruble is from request which is almost twice the total budget of the Irkutsk region or five times the budget of the Amur region with her !!! repeat surplus 3 195 million ...
            Train your memory ... hi
        2. asv96
          asv96 22 December 2017 08: 54 New
          +2
          PR technologists believe that people are bored of programs need shows from candidates.
      2. kepmor
        kepmor 22 December 2017 07: 18 New
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        You are just like a small child ... all "initiatives" must be coordinated with the Kremlin curators ... and Zu, Zhi and all other "competitors" for a long time under the "cap" of Putin ....
        if Grudinin is really nominated, then I’ll go to the polls and drag out all my loved ones .... I will vote for him myself and I’ll make my relatives ...
        I’m only afraid that he won’t pass the “Kremlin filters” ... Putin’s across his throat .....
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 22 December 2017 07: 24 New
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          Quote: kepmor
          if Grudinin is really nominated, then I’ll go to the polls and drag out all my loved ones .... I will vote for him myself and I’ll make my relatives ...

          I will also go only if Grudinin is nominated. In other situations, I do not intend to participate in this "circus".
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 22 December 2017 07: 41 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            I will also go only in case of Grudinin’s nomination
            Gennady Andreevich, as if he heard criticism here. Personally, I will be glad if instead of Zyuganov there is Grudinin, and Zyuganov is a big plus here, if so. Naturally, they will choose Putin, but second place, possible premiership, is quite achievable for Grudin.
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 08: 49 New
          12
          Quote: kepmor
          if Grudinin is really nominated, then I’ll go to the polls and drag out all my loved ones .... I will vote for him myself and I’ll make my relatives ...

          I join - I am already agitating friends and relatives, showing videos with Grudinin drinks good
        3. Monos
          Monos 22 December 2017 10: 43 New
          +8
          Quote: kepmor
          and Zu, and Zhi and all other "competitors" for a long time under the "cap" of Putin ....

          laughing Campaigning, which begins with conspiracy theology, immediately makes you look at the candidate as a "green man." Change tactics.
          The director of a “successful Moscow Region economy” earns money by leasing land conveniently located near the Moscow Ring Road for markets, warehouses and other buildings. And the whole PR of "successful management" is carried out on the last remaining 6 ha. smile
          Quote: kepmor
          and I’ll drag everyone close .... I’ll vote for him and I’ll make my relatives ...

          Do not forget the cat, dog and chameleon Kuzyu. smile
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 10: 59 New
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            The director of a “successful Moscow Region economy” earns money by leasing land conveniently located near the Moscow Ring Road for markets, warehouses and other buildings. And the whole PR of "successful management" is carried out on the last remaining 6 ha.

            Zaputintsy rushed in a panic to water Grudinin from all the guns laughing Here is a cadastral map of the state farm "Haste is needed only when catching fleas" yes
            1. Romey
              Romey 22 December 2017 12: 55 New
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              Well, yes, absurdity and only ... Billions of dollars in offshore and someone carrying a portfolio for such a holy man as Sobchak is very patriotic, but Grudinin is undoubtedly an agent of the State Department, Boldyrev is a liberal, hobnobed with Yavlinsky, Boglaev-grabber, Sobolev -dubole, Strelkov the traitor, who surrendered Slavyansk and in general, the vile monarchist-ensign-reconstructor .... Kvachkov-in general, a gloomy murderer and sadist who encroached on the Monk Tolik. In general, the presidential campaign promises to be very similar in terms of the amount of dirt poured onto the patriotic opposition since 1996. In general, vote with your heart.
              1. Monos
                Monos 22 December 2017 13: 54 New
                +4

                In the 1995 year, collective farm lands - agricultural land with a total area of ​​206 ha - were registered in the common share ownership of 867 employees of the enterprise at the rate of 0,24 ha per person.
                In 1998, the farm to them. Lenin was transformed into a production cooperative "Agricultural Artel" Lenin collective farm.
                Since 2000, the agricultural cartel has attracted increased interest from raiders who use criminal technology to illegally seize someone else's property. After the initiated bankruptcy procedure, the land of the shareholders was transferred to the “new owners”.
                On 31.01.2006 of the year, the Moscow Region Prosecutor opened criminal case No.132465. The case was referred for investigation to the Main Directorate of the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Moscow Region ..
                On the 07.12.2007 of the year, the criminal case No.132465 was illegally terminated by officers of the Main Directorate of the Central Internal Affairs Directorate in the Moscow Region. After complaints from shareholders, the investigation was resumed.
                At the end of 2007, former collective farm workers picketed the building of the Sberbank of the Russian Federation, during which they demanded that A.A. Altunin is accountable and return them the stolen land.
                A similar picket was held 25.06.2008 of the year near the office of the National Stock Association, of which A.A. was a member Altunin.
                05.08.2008 of the year - a picket in Ilyinsky Square (opposite the Old Square "), collective farmers picketed the building of the government of the Moscow region.
                On the 19.09.2008 of the year, collective farmers picketed the Renaissance Hotel on Olimpiysky Prospekt, where the SFA “NFA” meeting was held.
                05.11.2008 of the year - a picket on Theater Square at the monument to Karl Marx.
                On 07.11.2008 of the year, the Central Bank of Russia was picketed in order to attract the attention of its leadership to the activities of A. Altunin
                On 26.10.2009, criminal case No.132465 was discontinued by the Main Directorate of the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Moscow Region after the statute of limitations.

                And who has been the director all this time and traded Turkish strawberries, passing it off as his own, grown? Really, it can’t be! This is Pavel Grudinin! And how much does Pasha personally have in percent of shares in a closed joint-stock company? Yes, okay ... What is the truth 40%? And among ordinary former employees? 0%? Well, that's what they need. At Pasha they will be preserved. smile
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 22 December 2017 16: 59 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Monos
                  What about ordinary former employees? 0%?

                  All of your writings, sheer lies and abuse that do not hang on the collar.
                  http://maxpark.com/community/5392/content/6133329
                  #share
                  1. Monos
                    Monos 22 December 2017 17: 43 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    All your writings, all lies and abuse,

                    laughing laughing good The real, communist argument! Your Grudinin is an ordinary, arrogant huckster. However, like the modern "communist" party. smile Do you recognize characters?
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 22 December 2017 17: 46 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Monos
                      Do you recognize characters?

                      A pathetic attempt.
                      Show you your faces?
                      https://cont.ws/uploads/pic/2017/12/они%20сделали
                      %20нас%20нищими%20%281%29.jpg
                      Admire.
                      1. Monos
                        Monos 22 December 2017 17: 53 New
                        +3
                        Vlad, I’ve been out of the links for a long time. It is fraught, you know ... winked I don’t need to palm off loggers. Just post a photo if you want. smile
                      2. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 22 December 2017 22: 59 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Monos
                        Vlad, I’ve been out of the links for a long time. It is fraught, you know ...

                        Well .. I will answer so
                        Without too much juggling with words. It’s just excerpts, quotes from the recent report “On Inequality in the World”, which was the result of the work of hundreds of economists from various countries.

                        Just numbers
                        ----------------------------------

                        “... widening of income inequality has been observed over the past decades practically around the world ...”

                        "... since the 1980s, 1% of the richest people in the world have taken over 27% of revenue growth ... 4% of revenues accounted for 0,001% - this is about 76 thousand of the richest people in the world ..."

                        "... and only 12% of the income belongs to the 50% of the poorest ..."

                        “... a report by the Swiss bank Credit Suisse in November said that half of all world wealth was concentrated in 1% of the world's inhabitants ...”

                        “... the income growth rate of the notorious“ middle class ”(that is, those who are between 50% of the most needy and 1% of the super-rich) has slowed down and by now has practically stopped ...”

                        “... this means that by 2050 no middle class will remain in sight — it will smoothly join the ranks of the global poor ...”

                        “... 1% of the world's richest population is 75 million people. Among the poorest - 50% of the world's population or 3,7 billion people ... "
                        and by reference, local erysipelas, which will soon burst from fat, do you propose to endure this?
                        Or such cases
                        ““ In order to conceal the manipulations, the purchase and sale transactions of shares were carried out through the stock exchange. Exactly a week later, the NPF managing company appealed to the bank’s interim administration with a request to return the deposits placed on December 14, ”Pozdyshev said.

                        The deals were signed on December 14 by a foreign citizen who had been hired by the bank two years before and immediately, according to Pozdyshev, received a power of attorney from the board and co-owner Dmitry Ananyev. The Central Bank is preparing materials for appeal to law enforcement agencies, Pozdyshev said.
                        Credit dossiers of corporate borrowers worth 10 billion rubles disappeared from the bank, which was in the top 109,1 assets. The loss of securities confirming the assets of Promsvyazbank was discovered by the interim administration, which has been operating since December 16.
                        Ananiev himself left Russia, Interfax reported citing a source. http://marketsignal.ru/2017/12/22/iz-promsvyazban
                        ka-ischezli-110-mlrd-rublej-i-vladelec /? utm_sourc
                        e = finobzor.ru
          2. kepmor
            kepmor 22 December 2017 12: 45 New
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            Monos! I do not need your advice ... save for your environment ...
            my tactics are simple ... I will vote for Grudinin not as for the president (there are no miracles in Russia) ... but against the politics of the present and the future (Putin) ... otherwise the Constitution will not allow me to displease myself ...
            personally, I want my grandchildren to live in a NORMAL country and they would not have the desire to dump somewhere ....
            and you can continue to wait for the "prince" and vote for ... the king-priest ...
          3. Esoteric
            Esoteric 23 December 2017 05: 58 New
            +4
            Quote: Monos
            laughing Campaigning, which begins with conspiracy theology, immediately makes you look at the candidate as a "green man." Change tactics.

            Come on! belay And I'll take the white flag and go to vote for a brighter future for the song "American boy" ... fellow Chubais, Kudrin, Nabiullina, Rogozin, Serdyukov, Vasilyeva ... but you never know ... belay
            And when I vote, I’ll go home with a fun ditty:
            An asterisk fell from the sky
            Straight to the "brightest" in the pants.
            Let everything rip there
            If only there was no war ...
            hi
        4. Vasya Vassin
          Vasya Vassin 22 December 2017 10: 53 New
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          I join the respected, I’ll chase all my relatives with a stick. The news is great, you don’t have to vote for the mare!
        5. Romey
          Romey 22 December 2017 12: 46 New
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          Quote: kepmor
          You are just like a small child ... all "initiatives" must be coordinated with the Kremlin curators ...

          Alas, these are the peculiarities of the current political system, and if you act in the legal field, you can’t get anywhere. But this is also their weak point. If the information is correct and the congress approves P.N. Grudinin, the NPSR and the Communist Party impose their game on the Kremlin crooks even if by their rules. Grudinin is nominated by the parliamentary party and slips Putin's rough filter, putting the AP in an uncomfortable position when a strong candidate needs to be slowed down, but this cannot be done due to formal bureaucratic signs. Most likely, a fine filter will be used, and these are direct pressure tools. As recently as yesterday, just at the beginning of the congress of the NPSR, a sudden check-up appeared at the Lenin state farm, and P.N. Grudinin was forced to urgently go to the enterprise. An accident? I doubt it ... I think the candidacy of Yu.Yu. Boldyreva was supported by the congress in case of an open collision of authorities on P.N. Grudinin with the fabrication of a criminal case for "tax evasion" and I would not be surprised if Putinists will put pressure on this particular option.

          Quote: kepmor

          if Grudinin is really nominated, then I’ll go to the polls and drag out all my loved ones .... I will vote for him myself and I’ll make my relatives ...

          I will do the same ....
          1. kepmor
            kepmor 22 December 2017 14: 18 New
            +9
            Romey, dear! do not be surprised ... checks, assaults, criminal cases, all this is very, very likely ... if Grudinin is "filtered out", I vote at least for Ksenia (a joke !!!!) ... but I won’t give Putin ...
            1. Alexey Antonov
              Alexey Antonov 25 December 2017 16: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: kepmor
              ... I vote at least for Ksenia (a joke !!!!) ... but I will not give Putin ...

              Right! "I don’t drink it, then I’m biting!"
        6. Giants
          Giants 23 December 2017 00: 27 New
          +3
          And who gave Putin the right to install any filters? He is just a hired manager, and far from the best. WHO said he is entitled to it? Is he himself? TV? Volodin? 146%? Who!
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 00: 37 New
            +8
            Quote: Giants
            WHO said he is entitled to it?

            For the illiterate: to have the right and to have the opportunity are completely different and often completely inappropriate things.
            You can have the right, but not be able to.
            You may not have the right, but have the opportunity.
            You can continue the sequence yourself ... have the right laughing
            1. Giants
              Giants 23 December 2017 00: 46 New
              +5
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              For illiterate:

              Roll your comment into a tube and put it under your tail, KotManul. Truth In the Last Instance, damn it. Cram your arrogant, mocking tone there. You have the right laughing
        7. Alexey Antonov
          Alexey Antonov 25 December 2017 16: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: kepmor
          You are just like a small child ... all "initiatives" must be coordinated with the Kremlin curators ... and Zu, Zhi and all other "competitors" for a long time under the "cap" of Putin ....
          if Grudinin is really nominated, then I’ll go to the polls and drag out all my loved ones .... I will vote for him myself and I’ll make my relatives ...
          .

          Yeah. And do not forget to take the granddaughter, the bug, the cat and the mouse. And then - the victory of Grudinin is guaranteed.
      3. mih_sergeev92
        mih_sergeev92 22 December 2017 09: 15 New
        +5
        Everything depends on the leader, and the leader is a wolf fed by power. It seems that if another candidate from the Communist Party is nominated, his rating will be significantly higher than that of GAZ
      4. Svetlana
        Svetlana 22 December 2017 11: 17 New
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        Quote: Chertt
        Communist Party behaves extremely without initiative. Having an excellent opportunity to formulate their political program in the sphere of "social sphere" A very important topic for Russia, Zyuganovites are engaged in outright nonsense. Hearing about the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, a children's rhyme pops up in my head, "Hut with Baba Yaga, is wandering, by itself

        Do you want you to read it on TV? In our country, television is the abode of Putin and Medvedev. Nobody is allowed in there anymore. You need to look for alternative information in other places.
      5. Pancir026
        Pancir026 22 December 2017 12: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        Hearing about the Communist Party

        It’s not starting to make up for you in a childish way, why not? You wrote frank lies.
    3. perm23
      perm23 22 December 2017 07: 13 New
      +4
      If only those who do this would not come to power. like Yeltsin or Gorbachev.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 22 December 2017 07: 48 New
        15
        If only there was no war ..? That's how the labeled came to power ..
        Quote: perm23
        If only those who do this would not come to power. like Yeltsin or Gorbachev.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 10: 14 New
          11
          Quote: 210ox
          If only there was no war ..? That's how the labeled came to power ..

          They pulled by the ears. Owl on the globe, practically.
          The tagged "pulled" the current members of the Central Committee. Andropov, first of all ...
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 22 December 2017 11: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          If only there was no war ..? That's how the labeled came to power ..

          Nonsense.
    4. Finches
      Finches 22 December 2017 07: 17 New
      26
      Why are there no alternatives? Vote for Grudnin ... In any case, I have a positive attitude towards the fact that Zyuganov did not put forward his candidacy, this is only positive for the future party!
    5. antivirus
      antivirus 22 December 2017 07: 33 New
      0
      this is against Sobchak idr liberals. Zuganov does not want to stand in line with chants.
      and there is a bench in the Communist Party
    6. 210ox
      210ox 22 December 2017 07: 47 New
      +8
      Alexander hi I agree, the outcome is a foregone conclusion. But at least among the clowns and the tsar there will be (maybe) a real business executive with a program ... It’s time for Zyuganov to rest.
      Quote: Anarchist
      Let at least put forward someone, the result is known in advance!
      Well, such non-alternative elections ...
    7. Svarog
      Svarog 22 December 2017 08: 22 New
      24
      Quote: Anarchist
      Let at least put forward someone, the result is known in advance!
      Well, such non-alternative elections ...

      I don’t know, but my hope has appeared .. My whole family will vote for Grudinin.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2017 08: 47 New
        23
        I’ll go anyway for Grudinin.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 22 December 2017 09: 19 New
          16
          Will there really be a choice in the country? I'm in touch !!!!!! Putin will be taken out of the Kremlin in this case !!!! fellow
      2. Alexey Antonov
        Alexey Antonov 23 December 2017 11: 28 New
        +1
        I deeply sympathize with your family.
    8. Vend
      Vend 22 December 2017 10: 25 New
      +2
      This is a serious man who proved that he is a strong business executive. However, this is not enough for the presidency, but it would be a matter to appoint him as a minister.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 22 December 2017 12: 06 New
        14
        Quote: Wend
        This is a serious man who proved that he is a strong business executive. However, this is not enough for the presidency, but it would be a matter to appoint him as a minister.

        Putin was not even a business executive, and was enough for a presidential post. Now the main thing for the country is that a business executive and just a competent educated and reasonable person appear. And in what he is not a professional, he will find competent professional ministers. If the former president remains, then the cabinet will not change.
        1. Vend
          Vend 22 December 2017 12: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Svetlana
          Quote: Wend
          This is a serious man who proved that he is a strong business executive. However, this is not enough for the presidency, but it would be a matter to appoint him as a minister.

          Putin was not even a business executive, and was enough for a presidential post. Now the main thing for the country is that a business executive and just a competent educated and reasonable person appear. And in what he is not a professional, he will find competent professional ministers. If the former president remains, then the cabinet will not change.

          Now the political situation is such that not a business executive is needed, but a competent politician-grandmaster. Which is able to calculate the hots of opponents.
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 22 December 2017 17: 01 New
            +7
            Quote: Wend
            Now the political situation is such that not a business executive is needed, but a competent politician-grandmaster. Which is able to calculate the hots of opponents.

            Yes, not without it, but the Prime Minister and the government need completely different people and the country needs a completely different way than the swamp in which we have been floundering for 30 years.
        2. Esoteric
          Esoteric 23 December 2017 06: 03 New
          +3
          [quote = Svetlana] [quote = Wend] If the former president remains, then the cabinet will not change. [/ quote]
          If the State Duma remains in its former composition and the Federation Council with its aging leader Matvienko (the Russian version of Hilary Clinton), then good is also not enough ...
      2. passing
        passing 22 December 2017 12: 50 New
        +3
        However, this is not enough for the presidency, but it would be a matter to appoint him as a minister.
        In any case, he will most likely not be allowed to win! But, if it will be a real competitor, with serious support from the people, they will offer him premiership. And he will be able to implement his program, if he does not get it right, it will be clear who will be the president of 24. This, of course, is all ideally, with the hope of fair elections and the experiences of our leaders about us
        1. Vend
          Vend 22 December 2017 12: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: passing
          However, this is not enough for the presidency, but it would be a matter to appoint him as a minister.
          In any case, he will most likely not be allowed to win! But, if it will be a real competitor, with serious support from the people, they will offer him premiership. And he will be able to implement his program, if he does not get it right, it will be clear who will be the president of 24. This, of course, is all ideally, with the hope of fair elections and the experiences of our leaders about us

          As prime minister, he will also be able to prove himself from the best side. And about honesty, so the online broadcast of the vote. Well, much more honest. Do not repeat the words of western predators.
          1. passing
            passing 22 December 2017 13: 08 New
            +2
            . And about honesty, so the online broadcast of the vote. Well, much more honest. Do not repeat the words of western predators.
            I'm a little about something else. Do not give using admin. resource and technology, not stupid theft of votes!
            As prime minister, he will also be able to prove himself from the best side.

            I absolutely agree with this. And it will also confirm its ability to change the country's economy for the better.
    9. Bronevick
      Bronevick 22 December 2017 12: 59 New
      0
      Why spend money on elections?
    10. Bosch
      Bosch 22 December 2017 18: 06 New
      +5
      So that the result is not known in advance, one must go to the polls, and not ignore them.
    11. The comment was deleted.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 23 December 2017 06: 13 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexey Antonov
        Why "non-alternative"?
        Please, here you go: prostitute Sobchak, Navalny, clown Zhirinovsky, ruminant Zyuganov, collective farmer Grudinin ... A few more freaks will be added to March.
        There is always a choice. Choose!

        Really, what a oh !!! and a choice !!! fellow The vile drunkard of EBN - the even more vile drunkard of EBN - the dark horse-urine-gross national product - the "brightest" GDP - the iPhone DAM - the "brightest" GDP - ??? what finally fellow fellow "the wisest and brightest GDP" ???
        Elections, elections ... candidates ...

        Quote: Alexey Antonov
        And who is to blame if we have such a miserable opposition?

        stop Our indifference and connivance, which allowed to breed parasites in power and in the economy. And according to this - only dry (bloodless) cleaning ... yes
    12. Alexey Antonov
      Alexey Antonov 24 December 2017 19: 15 New
      +1
      The most curious thing is that about the “irremovability of power” and “non-alternative elections” all the same commies moan (not communists — they ended long ago), which, in fact, supported the system in which there was irremovability of power and uncontested elections. That's just funny!
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 December 2017 06: 26 New
    +2
    Zyuganov proposed to nominate the director of the state farm named after Lenin P. Grudinin as a presidential candidate
    Nothing surprising and unexpected, because Zyuganov constantly and everywhere cites him as an example.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 December 2017 06: 26 New
    14
    Director of the state farm named after Lenin P. Grudinin
    Often recently flashed on TV. I got the impression that the man is literate, with business acumen. But the Communist Party understands perfectly well that participation in the election of their candidate is exclusively formal and the fight will go for% with Zhirinovsky (whoever gets the most, that and the second).
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 22 December 2017 06: 35 New
      25
      I like Grudinin as a business man and a competent leader. But one thing is annoying: in the neighboring fraternal republic, too, the chairman of the collective farm (and as the chairman of the collective farm is not bad), but for Russia there is no second Russia that will feed her. And it’s easy to be the director of a state farm in the center of Moscow, where a sales market is at hand. And if in Siberia, where the nearest city is three hundred and half kilometers off-road. By the way, Grudinin ranks second in ratings.
      1. midivan
        midivan 22 December 2017 07: 06 New
        11
        Quote: woron333444
        And it’s easy to be the director of a state farm in the center of Moscow, where a sales market is at hand.

        Oh, in vain do you think so, ask Dagestanis and Azerbaijanis who control the markets about it yes It is all easy in the wrong hands.
        1. Bosch
          Bosch 22 December 2017 18: 09 New
          +4
          The controlling markets of dag and Azeris can be sent home during the day; a political decision is needed. And he will not be in the current situation.
          1. Alexey Antonov
            Alexey Antonov 23 December 2017 04: 57 New
            +1
            What are the "houses"? I’m curious about which “houses” you send Muscovites with Moscow registration to. Again, "Russia for Russians, Moscow for Muscovites"? Maybe we will create concentration camps for all non-Russians?
      2. perm23
        perm23 22 December 2017 07: 15 New
        +2
        You're right . Yes, and I read about him. it’s also not so rosy. It seems like the state farm has risen up by selling land to the Moscow Region
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 22 December 2017 07: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: perm23
          You're right . Yes, and I read about him. it’s also not so rosy. It seems like the state farm has risen up by selling land to the Moscow Region

          Plus built a neighborhood on shares
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 08: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: perm23
          It seems like a state farm has risen up by selling land to the suburbs

          You are confusing something, it was just on the sale of your land for all kinds of buildings that the state farm survived, the same Boldyrev spoke about this many times
      3. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 07: 40 New
        11
        Quote: woron333444
        By the way, Grudinin ranks second in ratings

        For lack of a maid - we have a janitor.
        Sorry, inspired request
        1. Vasya Vassin
          Vasya Vassin 22 December 2017 11: 00 New
          14
          Boorish commentary, such as cook children. I am ashamed to be such a cute but stupid dog!
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 11: 16 New
            12
            Quote: Vasya Vassin
            Boorish commentary, such as cook children. I am ashamed to be such a cute but stupid dog!

            He in the previous account on VO, before being banned for continuous trolling, was a cute fat cat laughing
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 13: 27 New
              +8
              Quote: Vasya Vassin
              Boorish comment ...

              Quote: Stirbjorn
              ... until banned for continuous trolling ...

              Again - inspired (good day today ... Friday, however):
              Knock-Knock...
              - Who's there?
              - Cheka!
              - What do you need?
              - To talk.
              “And how many of you are there?”
              - Two ...
              - Well, here and talk ...

              Two notebook trolls (about rudeness I tactfully keep silent) are trying to blame someone there for rudeness and trolling ... it's cool wink
      4. Svarog
        Svarog 22 December 2017 08: 27 New
        10
        Quote: woron333444
        By the way, Grudinin ranks second in ratings.

        And this, despite the fact that it is not shown on federal channels ..
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 22 December 2017 08: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: woron333444
          By the way, Grudinin ranks second in ratings.

          And this, despite the fact that it is not shown on federal channels ..

          They show it - both in the first and in Russia 1. Participates in a talk show.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 22 December 2017 08: 44 New
            +5
            Quote: Krasnodar
            They show it - both in the first and in Russia 1. Participates in a talk show.

            Maybe as often as Putin? Well, or at least Zhirinovsky?
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 08: 52 New
            +5
            Quote: Krasnodar
            They show it - both in the first and in Russia 1. Participates in a talk show.

            can you give a link to the video - precisely so that with the icon of the first and Russia 1 ?!
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 22 December 2017 12: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Quote: Krasnodar
              They show it - both in the first and in Russia 1. Participates in a talk show.

              can you give a link to the video - precisely so that with the icon of the first and Russia 1 ?!

              https://www.1tv.ru/shows/vremya-pokazhet/ostrye-m
              omenty / pavel-grudinin-poka-u-lyudey-net-deneg - pr
              oizvodit-bespolezno-vremya-pokazhet-fragment-vypu
              ska-ot-24052016
              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BlNaS-_5wqw
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 13: 20 New
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                https://www.1tv.ru/shows/vremya-pokazhet/ostrye-m
                omenty / pavel-grudinin-poka-u-lyudey-net-deneg - pr
                oizvodit-bespolezno-vremya-pokazhet-fragment-vypu
                ska-ot-24052016
                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BlNaS-_5wqw

                The first does not work, thank you for the second hi
          3. Romey
            Romey 22 December 2017 12: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: woron333444
            By the way, Grudinin ranks second in ratings.

            And this, despite the fact that it is not shown on federal channels ..

            They show it - both in the first and in Russia 1. Participates in a talk show.

            For the first time, on the federal channel, Grudinin saw only on Monday at the broadcast of the joint press conference of the NPSR and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation 24, and only it was time to turn to answer P. Grudinin suddenly turned on an advertisement.
        2. Bosch
          Bosch 22 December 2017 18: 10 New
          +1
          And they will not show that they did not know him.
  4. sanches-nk
    sanches-nk 22 December 2017 06: 27 New
    21
    The normal option. The only adequate opposition candidate, so to speak. It is clear that he is not a competitor to Putin, but still. A second place would be worthy
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 22 December 2017 06: 51 New
      23
      Quote: sanches-nk
      that is not a competitor to Putin

      Prime Minister would be better than Medvedev!
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 22 December 2017 07: 37 New
        14
        "twenty-five" again ... well, why did everyone attach to the iPhone ... he’s generally "out of business" ... he’s like that kinder surprise ... two in one ... and you’re supposedly a prime minister, and you whipping boy "...
        he can only be awarded an Oscar for playing the role of “President of the Russian Federation ...” and for the series “The Head of the Government of the Russian Federation” in general, and the Nobel ... rare talent “Artist” ...
        Well, about the DIRECTOR everyone knows everything ... deity ...
        1. Loess
          Loess 22 December 2017 10: 11 New
          +3
          For kinder surprise you have a definite plus))) laughing laughing good
    2. Evil543
      Evil543 22 December 2017 08: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: sanches-nk
      The normal option. The only adequate opposition candidate, so to speak. It is clear that he is not a competitor to Putin, but still. A second place would be worthy

      To remove this candidate, it is enough to check how he deduced agricultural land
  5. papas-57
    papas-57 22 December 2017 06: 27 New
    +9
    `` Zyuganov proposed nominating the director of the state farm named after Lenin P. Grudinin as a presidential candidate. '' And why not the cleaning lady of the board of the Stalin collective farm Titkin? The difference is small, both cope with their duties. We have such a murdered country that the collective farm chairman can lead it. As the chairman of the collective farm, the business executive will, in essence, pursue the international policy of the state? Zyuganov’s roof demolished in general. Or he hopes the Gray Cardinal will settle down.
    1. astronom1973n
      astronom1973n 22 December 2017 06: 35 New
      11
      We have such a murdered country that the collective farm chairman can lead it. As the chairman of the collective farm, the business executive will, in essence, pursue the international policy of the state?
      And Ksyusha, bulk, Polonsky and all the rest, without exception, are capable of? wink
      1. papas-57
        papas-57 22 December 2017 06: 37 New
        +3
        Of course, clowns surfaced earlier in the elections, but today their number is off the charts.
    2. KOH
      KOH 22 December 2017 06: 36 New
      24
      Well, if you compare Grudinin and Sobchak, then she is definitely a cleaner in comparison with him ...))))
    3. Severok
      Severok 22 December 2017 06: 38 New
      26
      We have a really killed country. Kolya from Urengoy, our “Olympians” walking under the enemy’s banner to the Olympics without honor and pride, abandoned villages, organizations with an average age of workers 39 and older, scum-governors talking about average earnings in the north of 40 tr with an actual of 22 tr, airplanes of foreign designs at the country's airports, the dominance of low-quality products on the shelves (fakes).

      You can continue for a long time.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 22 December 2017 06: 50 New
        12
        Quote: Severok
        We have a really killed country, Probably worse than we think ...
        .

        1. Sergey53
          Sergey53 22 December 2017 13: 20 New
          +8
          Until we take the liberals out of power, everything will happen in our country. Chubais bluntly said that their task was the collapse of the Soviet Union, so far they have not succeeded in breaking up Russia. But they are ruining it through training, education. As Gref said cattle easier to manage.
        2. region58
          region58 22 December 2017 22: 30 New
          +3
          [quote = Stroporez] [/ quote]

          From 1:06 to 1:23, an excerpt from another clip is used, which is very interesting.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 22 December 2017 22: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: region58
            From 1:06 to 1:23, an excerpt from another clip is used, which is very interesting.

            Yes, really interesting.
            But it seems that the problem is much deeper, but amenno in the socio-economic structure.
      2. Alexey Antonov
        Alexey Antonov 23 December 2017 11: 05 New
        +1
        Well, you - maybe killed. In your reality.
        My country is the one that builds cosmodromes, bridges, factories, and with which they are reckoned with in the world. However, if you want to exchange all this for a collective farmer ... Ah, it still won’t work out!
    4. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 22 December 2017 06: 49 New
      34
      Quote: papas-57
      We have such a murdered country that the collective farm chairman can lead it.

      Do you really need a former first secretary of the Sverdlovsk regional committee, or a former KGB lieutenant colonel, or maybe a lecturer at St. Petersburg University? Lukashenko has ruled for a quarter of a century, but Grudinin is not able to, Strange judgment.
      1. papas-57
        papas-57 22 December 2017 06: 58 New
        +5
        `` Do you really need the former first secretary of the Sverdlovsk regional committee, or the former KGB lieutenant colonel, or maybe a professor at St. Petersburg University? '' In place of the president, you need a politician, not a business executive.
        1. Seraphimamur
          Seraphimamur 22 December 2017 07: 05 New
          16
          In America, President Reagan was an actor and nothing brought the country out of the crisis of the 70s became even stronger.
        2. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 22 December 2017 07: 05 New
          22
          Quote: papas-57
          `` Do you really need the former first secretary of the Sverdlovsk regional committee, or the former KGB lieutenant colonel, or maybe a professor at St. Petersburg University? '' In place of the president, you need a politician, not a business executive.

          Are politicians born? Did President Putin graduate from MGIMO, can Medvedev, at least, have at least accounting courses?
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 22 December 2017 08: 11 New
            +6
            I do not agitate anyone for Putin, and the attitude towards him is ambivalent. But I think that when working in the KGB, he should have got decent skills. Especially in working with people.
            President Regan is not an absolute indicator.
            And further. Once, a wonderful, decent, honest person became one of the governors. He spoke well about the bathhouse. What ended, everyone knows. SYSTEM "ate it." It’s not enough to be a good person and boss, alas. We must be able to fit into the SYSTEM and at the same time remain what we were. Otherwise, they will either gobble up or by the next election they will spit in the next villain.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 08: 57 New
              12
              Quote: Hagalaz
              And further. Once, a wonderful, decent, honest person became one of the governors. He spoke well about the bathhouse. What ended, everyone knows. SYSTEM "ate it." It’s not enough to be a good person and boss, alas.
              So Grudinin is not alone, with him a whole team from the NPSR, led by Boldyrev, and he has been in politics all his life
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 10: 18 New
                +9
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                ... led by Boldyrev, and he in politics all life...

                ... as... flower in the hole.
                Also - inspired request
                1. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 22 December 2017 12: 46 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  . like ... a flower in the hole ...

                  Heh, I remember the first "steps" of Boldyrev in politics, back in Leningrad. The case when "started for health", and then .... negative And the rest of the party, mostly - "deprived" of power. The same "their nobleness" of the Shooters, that "through the lip and from above," as if doing a favor, yeah. Anyway. We will have a look. yes
                  1. Romey
                    Romey 22 December 2017 13: 09 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Paranoid50
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    . like ... a flower in the hole ...

                    Heh, I remember the first "steps" of Boldyrev in politics, back in Leningrad. The case when "started for health", and then .... negative And the rest of the party, mostly - "deprived" of power. The same "their nobleness" of the Shooters, that "through the lip and from above," as if doing a favor, yeah. Anyway. We will have a look. yes

                    But nothing that someone with a halo at Sobchak's errands was? So we will take a look at your party, which has already taken up the pressure of Grudinin.
            2. vinschu
              vinschu 22 December 2017 10: 35 New
              +1
              Are you aware of the “inheritance” that remains after his departure? We will not talk about human qualities, but about a “good business executive” - it is possible only as a joke.
        3. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 22 December 2017 07: 54 New
          16
          The Kremlin has long needed a good broom, and sweep out all this bunch of bribe takers along with the main thing. Striking another zombie population. About EBN also shouted that no one except him
        4. Vasya Vassin
          Vasya Vassin 22 December 2017 11: 17 New
          +4
          I need the PRESIDENT'S ECONOMIC, our politicians are like smelly dirt !!!!!!!!
        5. passing
          passing 22 December 2017 12: 57 New
          +3
          In place of the president, you need a politician, not a business executive.

          Judging by the economy in our country, we have all the politicians, but I would like a business executive. Balabol tired
        6. GradusHuK
          GradusHuK 23 December 2017 00: 05 New
          0
          papas-57 Today, 06:58 Zealot, syphilitic, whiner, paralytic, politician. stop I’m much better off being a business executive. yes
    5. Fox
      Fox 22 December 2017 08: 06 New
      18
      Quote: papas-57
      . We have such a murdered country that the collective farm chairman can lead it.

      and what, Colonel, acting as a porter for a dog advanced?
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 22 December 2017 08: 25 New
        +3
        Do not hesitate, the KGB colonel is more advanced than the collective farm chairman.
        Without identification, if that.
    6. Svarog
      Svarog 22 December 2017 08: 30 New
      16
      Quote: papas-57
      `` Zyuganov proposed nominating the director of the state farm named after Lenin P. Grudinin as a presidential candidate. '' And why not the cleaning lady of the board of the Stalin collective farm Titkin? The difference is small, both cope with their duties. We have such a murdered country that the collective farm chairman can lead it. As the chairman of the collective farm, the business executive will, in essence, pursue the international policy of the state? Zyuganov’s roof demolished in general. Or he hopes the Gray Cardinal will settle down.

      And Putin, you immediately born a president? Who was Putin? Junior officer rank, porter Sobchak ..
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 22 December 2017 09: 16 New
        +3
        Svarog, I don’t argue with you, and even agree. But the fact is that Putin was originally a protege of the SYSTEM that already existed at that time, or some influential part of it. And suitcases have nothing to do with it.
        Read my comments above. Suppose a new person comes to power. Suppose he is smart and decent. He needs to interact with the prevailing political and economic "elite". Two options, managed - failed. But we mean that the system must be broken. And what is the system response? Either the elimination of annoying elimination, or sabotage and chaos. By the way, as a result of the first case, most likely also chaos. Such doubts.
        If you answer, let's not disturb the uniforms of the kings and Stalin. Other times and people are different and the conditions are not the same.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 22 December 2017 09: 24 New
          13
          Quote: Hagalaz
          Two options, managed - failed.

          Yes, you're right, you have to break the system. And in some kind of interview, I watched, Grudinin tells how to do it. The Communists have a wealth of experience in how to quickly build a system)) Of course, the oligarchs will resist .. Grudinin said that all enterprises that sell our natural resources will be nationalized and there will be a battle for this .. But I think that everything will be done right and normal .. In the power structures there are a lot of supporters of socialism
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 22 December 2017 09: 50 New
            +2
            Well, I don’t have your confidence, at least crack. And a cataclysm in the country would not be harmful. Kites are waiting for this ....
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 22 December 2017 10: 04 New
              +4
              Quote: Hagalaz
              Well, I don’t have your confidence, at least crack. And a cataclysm in the country would not be harmful. Kites are waiting for this ....

              Kites just do not expect this .. Judge for yourself, they’ll take everything away from us .. 45% of our natural resources have been sold to “partners”, you think they will want to say goodbye to money ..
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 10: 21 New
                10
                Quote: Svarog
                We have 45% of natural resources sold to "partners"

                Chi-and-and-oooooooooo ???
                A reference worthy of trust, please - in the studio.
                Or you, sorry, yap negative
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 22 December 2017 11: 03 New
                  +7
                  GAZPROM - 50,002% owned by the state.
                  Sberbank - 57,58% belongs to the Bank of Russia.
                  Rosneft - 75,16% is owned by the Russian Federation.
                  VTB - 75,5% of the property of the Russian Federation.
                  RusHydro - 60,38% belongs to the property of the Russian Federation.
                  Sberbank - 57,58% belongs to the Bank of Russia.
                  Aeroflot - 51,17% in
                  Surgutneftegas is the most closed company, which so far has not disclosed the exact structure of the shareholders' capital, only information is available that more than 90% of the shares belong to other shareholders.

                  The remaining shares are in the hands of all kinds of overseas investors, but if you look further and see where the dividends go from the shares, then they are all in foreign offshore.

                  Why are there offshore companies, where do we store money?
                  Look for links yourself, and if you do not have information, then do not enter into dialogue with adult uncles))
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 11: 18 New
                    +9
                    Quote: Svarog
                    The remaining shares in the hands of all kinds of overseas investors

                    1. From what, excuse me, does this follow?
                    2. Ownership of shares in an enterprise is an opportunity to make a profit and participate in the management of the enterprise. In no case does this mean ownership of the natural resources that this enterprise uses.
                    So what about
                    Quote: Svarog
                    We have 45% of natural resources sold to "partners"

                    Eh? wink
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 22 December 2017 11: 26 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      The remaining shares in the hands of all kinds of overseas investors
                      1. From what, excuse me, does this follow?

                      Go to the official website of the listed companies and look at the structure of the distribution of shares.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      2. Ownership of shares in an enterprise is an opportunity to make a profit and participate in the management of the enterprise. In no case does this mean ownership of the natural resources that this enterprise uses.

                      According to this opus, I conclude that you are a schoolboy, and not even a good guy. For the one who makes a profit and participates in the management owns, in this case, natural resources.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Eh?

                      Take the trouble for each company to see the profit, calculate, according to the distribution of shares, the share of the go-va. The remainder will be accounted for by overseas partners. This is 47%. I’m not your nanny, chew everything, want to have information, work hard))
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 11: 31 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Svarog
                        who makes a profit and participates in management, owns, in this case, natural resources

                        Brad.
                        Ownership means ownership. Property rights here ... and did not lie nearby.
                        Quote: Svarog
                        I conclude ...

                        You don’t have enough - draw conclusions.
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Go to the official website ... Work hard for each company to see ...

                        Clear. "Go google" is called. Broke, break the bucket (s)
                        So you are the very thing that I wrote there before ... sorry, but true.
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 12: 09 New
                        +7
                        After:
                        Quote: Svarog
                        . calculate ... the share of the head. The remainder will be accounted for by overseas partners. This is 47%.

                        Lovely love
                        That is Russian shareholders doesn’t happen in nature?
                        Quote: Svarog
                        I conclude that you are a schoolboy, and not even a good guy

                        Look in the mirror. And tell it to him. This will be fair yes
                    2. Freeman
                      Freeman 22 December 2017 12: 39 New
                      +4
                      Golovan Jack Sechgodnya, 11:18
                      Ownership of shares in an enterprise is an opportunity to make a profit and participate in the management of the enterprise. In no case does this mean ownership of the natural resources that this enterprise uses.

                      Khodorkovsky (like other oligarchs) disagrees with you
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 13: 02 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Freeman
                        Khodorkovsky (like other oligarchs) disagrees with you

                        About Khodorkovsky - I see in the picture. I guess about others.

                        You see, it’s absolutely parallel to me what Khodorkovsky thinks there.
                        What I wrote above is a brief arrangement of the current legislation. For the illiterate.
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 22 December 2017 11: 20 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Svarog
                    GAZPROM - 50,002% owned by the state.

                    Kamrad, it’s still necessary to clarify that there is some kind of laying between the gasprom, the Russian oil industry and the state-vom. A.Rosneftegaz is called ....
                2. AA17
                  AA17 22 December 2017 13: 12 New
                  +7
                  Dear, Golovan Jack. I invite you (and everyone) to see the following information. Learn a lot of new things. Even be surprised.
                  1. "... The state’s presence in the Russian mining industry in 2014. A survey was conducted of the extraction of 24 types of minerals. The survey included 106 Russian mining companies, which on average extract about 90% of Russia's minerals. In most cases, information was found on production by organizations for 2014. Less commonly, 2013 and 2012 ...
                  "... There is only one conclusion: all state participation in the Russian mining industry is reduced to the ownership of the Kaliningrad Amber Plant, PIMCU, Alroso, Rosneft and Gazprom, which, taking into account subsidiaries, mine all of Russian uranium, amber (official), about half of the oil, 75% of gas and all diamonds. All other resources in Russia are mined by private, offshore or foreign companies. Therefore, any talk about reducing the role of the state in the economy should be understood as “let's privatize Alrosa, Rosneft and Gazprom ", Since the rest of the upstream enterprises are already in private hands (as a rule, offshore jurisdictions). And these very tidbits, by mistake, are still in state ownership. Although, Gazprom and Rosneft are already with the presence of private individuals. It is strange that they are silent about privatization “Atomredmetzoloto.” Perhaps this is a temporary phenomenon. Amber, therefore, is mined by everyone who sits by the supervisory authorities, because the Kaliningrad plant does not attract private attention zaviruyuschih.
                  These are the pies with kittens ... "https://aftershock.news/?q=node/418965
                  2. "... The article" The Presence of the State in the Extractive Sector of Russia in 2014 "was devoted to the role of the state in domestic mining. A review was conducted of the production of 27 types of minerals. 126 mining companies of Russia, which mined about 90% of the country's minerals. We’ll refresh the data for 2016. Privatization? Deoffshorization? Let's see ... "https://aftershock.news/?q=node/541752
                  P.S. I recommend reading the comments. There, the author answers the questions posed to him. Very entertaining. You will not regret. Cognitive study of what else belongs to its citizens in Russia. Carefully read the conclusion: Most of the extraction of natural resources in Russia is not under state control.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 22: 31 New
                    +7
                    Quote: AA17
                    Learn a lot of new things. Even be surprised

                    Do you mean this?

                    There is nothing to be surprised at. Article c But yes (http://www.rusnod.ru), and these guys are special ... scrupulous, I would say, are no different.
                    Chernukha is balcony, in other words.
    7. asv96
      asv96 22 December 2017 09: 23 New
      +8
      That is, Lenin Stalin were just politicians from God, huh? Dzerzhinsky generally who he was and made such an apparatus. A person must have potential, and not like a labeled talker. or after him you know.
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 22 December 2017 09: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: asv96
        That is, Lenin Stalin were just politicians from God, huh? Dzerzhinsky generally who he was and made such an apparatus. A person must have potential, and not like a labeled talker. or after him you know.

        Why not? Especially Lenin. God has nothing to do with it. Stalin and Dzerzhinsky went through a good school of revolutionary struggle. In general, revolutions and wars greatly contribute to the promotion of talented people.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 10: 42 New
          +7
          Quote: Hagalaz
          revolutions and wars greatly contribute to the promotion of talented people ...

          ... as well as a reduction in Aboriginal populations sad
          And therefore, my opinion is that everyone and all sorts of gevolutions ... stop
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 22 December 2017 10: 52 New
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Hagalaz
            revolutions and wars greatly contribute to the promotion of talented people ...

            ... as well as a reduction in Aboriginal populations sad
            And therefore, my opinion is that everyone and all sorts of gevolutions ... stop

            Duc and I are against the revolutionrequest . The answer of asv96 was purely formal. Enough with us.
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  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 22 December 2017 06: 27 New
    +4
    If there are worthy people in the country, then why do they remember them before the elections, as they do now, and do not constantly talk about such people? The country in power needs new personnel! But, maybe, as a director of a state farm, well done, and in power, suddenly he will become a hunchback 2 ???? Nevertheless, there should always be an alternative!
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 08: 58 New
      +5
      Why do they immediately remember Gorbachev, and not the same Lukashenko, for example ?!
  7. midivan
    midivan 22 December 2017 06: 29 New
    +8
    He’s a good man, smart, and not lazy as you can see, but not every “collective farm chairman” can be president, to begin with, try him at the head of the Ministry of Agriculture, and then look at what a politician is, be a good person oh how little to manage a country like ours.
    1. Severok
      Severok 22 December 2017 06: 39 New
      28
      The country is tired of politicians. Need OWNER.
      1. midivan
        midivan 22 December 2017 06: 43 New
        +4
        For the owner, time is lost, now we need a smart and cunning politician. Or you have to start all over again, from the war.
        1. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 22 December 2017 08: 00 New
          0
          Here I partially agree with you. The fact that we are on the verge of war. It is necessary to prepare for it to the maximum, with all the rigidity of the pre-war time, and not to chew the snot. To the maximum on the defense industry.
          1. midivan
            midivan 22 December 2017 08: 15 New
            +4
            I’m not talking about it, I don’t think that we are on the verge of war, well, maybe on the verge, but not ours, as long as we have "Poplars" and so on, I mean, if the Boss comes, then this is nationalization, otherwise, it’s it’s not quite the owner, and nationalization will not work without war (it’s even scary to guess which one), because all or almost all of the resources from factories to mining do not belong to us completely, the same any large project can not do without shares from the outside, a lot has been invested we don’t want to leave money with foreign hucksters to us just like that, no one wants you to have a war, but just like that, no matter how much they scramble, but are afraid and very much afraid, and no one convinces us of convictions while we have what about them .... t (cool, precipitate wink ) and therefore you should not throw a maximum on the defense industry, but it is necessary to establish a normal life at home.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 22 December 2017 10: 43 New
            +1
            "The fact that we are on the verge of war" - Excuse me, with whom?
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 09: 00 New
          +4
          Quote: midivan
          For the owner, time is lost, now we need a smart and cunning politician. Or you have to start all over again, from the war.

          Boldyrev is a politician for you - they go together with Grudinin
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 10: 44 New
            +7
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Boldyrev is a politician for you

            Second freshness? wink
          2. midivan
            midivan 22 December 2017 19: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Boldyrev is a politician for you - they go together with Grudinin

            I would willingly believe this bunch if they escaped further than the "collective farm", took all the suburbs to their hands and ennobled all empty land for farmland, these would be strategists, and our collective farm would be no worse than them. We have Lenin and more land and in the agricultural risk zone, and yields on average about 35 centners per hectare (when I worked there in the 90s, 15-17 centners were considered very good), but this does not mean that our president will pull, he’ll start they will take away their line of bending and all matters. request
        3. Svetlana
          Svetlana 22 December 2017 12: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: midivan
          For the owner, time is lost, now we need a smart and cunning politician. Or you have to start all over again, from the war.

          For the owner, time can never be missed. Imagine that for a long time there were no owners in your apartment, you rented it. Appear through 3 of the year - "Oh, how everything is running! Well, to hell with her, with this apartment, take this to yourself!" So what?
          1. midivan
            midivan 22 December 2017 19: 18 New
            +2
            I kind of wrote why I think so, this is just my personal opinion and do not get upset or angry smile love and especially to compare the country with an apartment.
      2. corporal
        corporal 22 December 2017 06: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Severok
        Need OWNER.

        Alas, there will be no second Stalin.
      3. pussamussa
        pussamussa 22 December 2017 09: 57 New
        +2
        That's right, like Lukashenko or Grudinin.
    2. vinschu
      vinschu 22 December 2017 10: 40 New
      +4
      Look at the biographies of the current ministers and other economic blocs. In addition to perplexed irritation and rejection do not cause anything.
  8. Letnab
    Letnab 22 December 2017 06: 50 New
    +5
    Grudinin appeared late, he would have to declare himself a few years earlier. In my opinion, he is a good business executive, but in one interview he answered ambiguously to questions on big politics, it seemed that he was not interested in what was going on around the country, only the solution of internal issues. He would start with the minister, then work as prime minister, and there you could watch ..
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 22 December 2017 07: 00 New
      17
      Quote: Letnab
      Grudinin appeared late, he would have to declare himself a few years earlier.

      He appeared and worked before PVV, only our media do not give ethers to worthy people.
      Here is a study.

      1. ustinov.yuri
        ustinov.yuri 22 December 2017 07: 54 New
        +1
        Grudinin’s personal income comes from the resale of overseas fruits and vegetables, this is import substitution ...
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 22 December 2017 07: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Letnab
      Grudinin appeared late, he would have to declare himself a few years earlier. In my opinion, he is a good business executive, but in one interview he answered ambiguously to questions on big politics, it seemed that he was not interested in what was going on around the country, only the solution of internal issues. He would start with the minister, then work as prime minister, and there you could watch ..

      So maybe with such a perspective it was shown to the people
    3. Romulus
      Romulus 22 December 2017 07: 17 New
      18
      Quote: Letnab
      but in one interview, he somehow ambiguously answered questions on big politics, it was believed that he was not interested in what was happening around the country, only a solution of internal issues.

      And what are you still not tired of the president of foreign policy? At home, the horse didn’t lie around, and with a good owner the order always starts from the yard hi
      1. Letnab
        Letnab 22 December 2017 07: 25 New
        +3
        So they would have looked at how you can restore order in the courtyard, if he had become the prime minister ...
      2. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 22 December 2017 11: 40 New
        +6
        Yes, we do not care about this foreign policy!
  9. SOF
    SOF 22 December 2017 06: 57 New
    +7
    We have a really killed country. Kolya from Urengoy, our “Olympians” walking under the enemy’s banner to the Olympics without honor and pride, abandoned villages, organizations with an average age of workers 39 and older, scum-governors talking about average earnings in the north of 40 tr with an actual of 22 tr, airplanes of foreign designs at the country's airports, the dominance of low-quality products on the shelves (fakes).
    You can continue for a long time.

    ... and the savior will come, in the person of the collective farm chairman, and he will take the fish, called pike, and at her command, and at his will, EVERYTHING in the kingdom-state, ONCE, will be GOOD.
    ... and the bananas in the northern pines will ring up, and Kolya and Urengoy will immediately retrain, and the Olympics will be bombarded with vigorous bombs, and traitor athletes will kill themselves, and there will be lots, lots of money, EVERYONE, and airplanes (OURS) right away fly over, and villages (NEW) like mushrooms jump up ........ and who will be against - they will self-put against the wall.
    ... here the fairy tale ends, and who listened to MO-LO-DEC!
    Z.Y. ... forgot ... the capital, still, in NewVasyuki must move - be sure ... bully
  10. Odysseus
    Odysseus 22 December 2017 07: 04 New
    15
    This can be interpreted in two ways.
    1) The Communist Party began to get out of control of the Presidential Administration and, accordingly, began the process of changing Zyuganov. This is the best, but, alas, unlikely option.
    2) Since the current "elections" will be plebiscite (yes-no regarding the course of power), the presidential administration is important for the appearance. And in order to increase it, they took an unprecedented step, allowed and even asked the Communist Party to change the person for the election.
    The essence of the idea is that even the most stupid ones have guessed that Zyuganov is not fighting for power with the oligarchic-mafia regime, but imitates this struggle to stabilize the regime, that is, many of those who would vote for the Communists will not go to the polls because Zyuganov. Accordingly, in order to “give people hope” and bring them to the Communist Party sections, a new leader is needed (at the time of the election).
    He should be quite active and say reasonable things, but at the same time systemic and not beyond the rules of the game (that is, for example, people like Strelkov or Udaltsov will not do). The choice fell on Grudinin.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 22 December 2017 07: 16 New
      13
      Quote: Odyssey
      He should be quite active and say reasonable things, but at the same time systemic and not beyond the rules of the game (that is, for example, people like Strelkov or Udaltsov will not do). The choice fell on Grudinin.

      The fact of the matter is that Grudinin was nominated by the PDS of the NPSR, as well as a government of national confidence was created and most likely, Grudinin will not be allowed to run as a candidate. Then only the bike.
      Quote: Odyssey
      turnout is important for the presidential administration. And in order to increase it, they took an unprecedented step, allowed and even asked the Communist Party to change the person for the election.

      adm.pres. insists on the candidacy of Zyuganov., in the spring he was "recommended" to run.
      1. Romulus
        Romulus 22 December 2017 07: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: Stroporez
        adm.pres.

        Yes, they rumored that they had played with fake candidates - they realized that the choices were turning into a frank farce, the groundhog’s eternal day (Putin, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky) plus Ksenia.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 09: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: Romulus
          Yes, they rumored that they had played with fake candidates - they realized that the choices were turning into a frank farce, the groundhog’s eternal day (Putin, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky) plus Ksenia.
          I agree, and then there is Navalny balamutit ... if couples of discontent are not pitted in the legal field, someone can go to the streets
    2. Galleon
      Galleon 22 December 2017 09: 40 New
      +4
      Odyssey, you expose clever, but ruthless to cynicism things. I understand that you are 99% right, but still I ask - do not deprive of hope. "Ah, it’s not difficult to deceive me, I’m glad to be deceived myself.".
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 22 December 2017 15: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Galleon
        Odyssey, you expose clever, but ruthless to cynicism things. I understand that you are 99% right, but still I ask - do not deprive of hope.

        Good post. You are right. Sorry. There must be hope.
        Nevertheless, one does not need to engage in self-blinding either, otherwise the fate of Ukraine awaits us.
  11. Chichikov
    Chichikov 22 December 2017 07: 07 New
    +3
    In the international situation that has developed around Russia, neither the business executive, nor the young and purposeful, will decide anything! "To grind with tongue, not toss bags."
    And it’s real, even having thrown out the administrative resource, which both local and foreign “friends” and “patriots” of Russia love to refer to, there is no alternative to GDP at the moment! Is that, in the next election, will be a candidate Shoigu!
    1. GUSAR
      GUSAR 22 December 2017 08: 06 New
      +6
      Well, yes, you just have to hold on and tolerate yet, but when America collapses soon, then we will live
    2. Nasrat
      Nasrat 22 December 2017 09: 36 New
      +9
      Quote: Chichikov
      .... in the next election, will be Shoigu candidate!


      Again thieves for the presidency? People, you don’t see anything at all? negative
    3. Svetlana
      Svetlana 22 December 2017 13: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: Chichikov
      In the international situation that has developed around Russia, neither the business executive, nor the young and purposeful, will decide anything! "To grind with tongue, not toss bags."

      And who was engaged in foreign policy, turning a blind eye to the mess in the country, and brought to that prevailing international situation in which "neither the manager, nor the young and purposeful, will decide anything!"? Great and powerful? To have weight in the international arena, you need to turn the country into a strong industrial power with a powerful economy! And we all want the opposite! Who will reckon with a country that lacks its own industry and agriculture and resource revenues flow into the pockets of foreign partners?
  12. samarin1969
    samarin1969 22 December 2017 07: 11 New
    0
    Grudinin speaks beautifully. What is behind this is still unclear. A project is possible when the ruling elite will transfer power to the opposition politician. Then they will lay down on him "the burden of the responsibility of all problems." Then they will prematurely hand over power to the new or “well-known” “Savior of the Fatherland”.
    Kuchma tried to implement something similar in Ukraine.
    It hurts formally the "first person" entered the election campaign.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 22 December 2017 07: 16 New
      +8
      Quote: samarin1969
      Grudinin speaks beautifully. What is behind this is still unclear. A project is possible when the ruling elite will transfer power to the opposition politician. Then they will lay down on him "the burden of the responsibility of all problems." Then they will prematurely hand over power to the new or “well-known” “Savior of the Fatherland”.

      Deripaska, Vekselberg and Putin representing them will transfer power to the Communists laughing
      Thank you. This joke made me morning.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 07: 37 New
        13
        Quote: Odyssey
        This joke made me morning

        And yours to me:
        Quote: Odyssey
        will transfer power to the Communists

        Where are you there "Communists" (with a capital "Ke") found interesting?
        The same Grudinin is director of the Lenin State Farm CJSC. A closed joint-stock company is the same company as Pyaterochka, for example ... only much smaller:
        Number of staff: 314
        Number of founders: 318


        Live well, speak? So there they are all founders laughing
        Just profit sharing, nothing more. The "Negroes" whom they hire to collect strawberries do not live so well.
        What we have in the end:
        A small, successful enterprise. The director of which for some reason considers himself ... a communism belay
        And he claims to rule the country (not a ZAO of 300 people, but a country of 140 million people, Karl!)
        Isn't that funny? Communists, damn it negative
        1. Romey
          Romey 22 December 2017 21: 50 New
          +5
          Quote: Golovan Jack

          Where are you there "Communists" (with a capital "Ke") found interesting?
          Isn't that funny? Communists, damn it negative

          It was always amusing that the guards of the comprador-oligarchic regime, if it cooks, they suddenly become fighters for the purity of the left ideology ... Isn’t it interesting Cat Man Null?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 23: 16 New
            +7
            Quote: romey
            It was always amusing that the guards of the comprador-oligarchic regime ...

            Turbopatriots have always been amusing, who are ready to declare everything that they are "against the wool" almost a product of the devil.
            Get excited. And turn off the conspiracy thesis ... completely.
            I really was amused by the fact that the comrade Odysseus wrote to the "Communists." It would be "communists" - I would have passed by.
            I understand the difference between Ke-big and ke-small and remember, because I have been living for a long time and the memory is good so far.
            The Communists (with a capital letter) in the Great Patriotic War were still, well, maybe a dozen years later.
            After extinct, like brontosaurs.
            That's it, Lina ...
        2. Pancir026
          Pancir026 22 December 2017 22: 50 New
          +8
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Isn't that funny? Communists, damn it

          Did Cat Man Null speak in a peculiar manner?
          I remember. Once he said that he was just a security worker, but in some rank, but just a security guard ... and self-conceit ...
          You imagine too much about yourself, as well as throwing too much dirt in relation to Grudinin, a ZAO-form of protection against your kind, raiders, who were enough for this economy.
          You know how to tell tales, but the truth behind them is ZERO.
          A form of management similar to Grudinin exists in Krasnoyarsk and Stavropol Territory, people work there and live with dignity, not knowing that they are someone else's "blacks"
          I'm not surprised anymore. That everything is gossip. Like a carbon copy. On different resources, spread from a single center .. one and the same words, the same gossip. One and the same arrogance and an attempt to pile a bunch of dirt, you obviously do not given .. not capable.

          According to this principle, a national enterprise, the Znamya plant now operates in the Sverdlovsk region. The company produces asbestos and cement products: pipes, facades and roofs. In Naberezhnye Chelny, national enterprises include the Cardboard and Paper Mill named after S.P. Titova ". It is one of the ten largest pulp and paper enterprises in the country; for Naberezhnye Chelny, the cardboard and paper mill is the second budget-forming enterprise. In the Stavropol Territory, the national enterprise - “Ternovsky collective farm”, in the Angara region - “Usolsky pig farm”, the largest in Eastern Siberia. In the pig complex 170 thousand heads of pigs, 90% of the products are sold through their own stores. Perhaps the most large-scale of the national enterprises can be called the agricultural holding "Zvenigovsky" in the Republic of Mari El. https://svpressa.ru/politic/article/145346/
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 23: 08 New
            +7
            Quote: Pancir026
            .

            So laughing
            1. They called me a cat (already an insult, by the way. I won’t complain ... for now ...)
            2. They called me a guard and a raider (both of them went past the cash register, by the way) laughing
            I am a hired labor. Expensive. They don’t so much protect the guards, the body keepers except ... but this is not for me.
            9. They talked about "national enterprises." This is worth specifying:
            If very briefly, then all these popular enterprises are successful capitalist enterprises with a slightly more fair than the average for hospital country, profit distribution.
            And, in fact, all the differences.
            Those who wish can challenge ... but you, Armor, most likely it won’t work out - I read you here at my leisure ... sku-u-uushno ... monotonously and monotonously ...
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 22 December 2017 17: 40 New
        +1
        Wait and see ... I agree with you REAL power will not give up. But representative functions can give. Grudinin, lately, suddenly (!?) Turns into a media figure ...
  13. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2017 07: 45 New
    +8
    Quote: kepmor
    if Grudinin is really nominated, then I’ll go to the polls and drag out all my loved ones .... I will vote for him myself and I’ll make my relatives ...
    I’m only afraid that he won’t pass the “Kremlin filters” ... Putin’s across his throat .....

    -----------------------------------
    Now I will write you all the online reasoning. I even chuckled on Twitter with the famous Max Chepay, sent him in a known direction. Pavel Grudinin is a former member of United Russia. He probably passed the Kremlin filters and approvals, because Putin must compete with a really serious candidate, and not with Ksenia Sobchak. Otherwise, the election will be a circus. Further, analysts argue that Grudinin talks a lot and seriously about agriculture, which he understands, but he is too linear and predictable and in general his level is to remove Tkachev as Minister of Agriculture. And here is Putin - he has already gained experience, thinks non-linearly, he has traps for enemies around him, and here he is. In general, who will vote for Grudinin, he will actually vote for Putin, because Putin will win, but with Grudinin he wins convincingly and seriously. And Grudinin is the level of the minister for now. This is not Ksyusha Sobchak. Here. Here is an opinion.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 22 December 2017 07: 52 New
      +1
      He may be a good man, but Lenin was wrong (in the sense that every cook can manage the state), this is his eternal whining about how bad things are, and it will be even worse, the state rolls, crumbles, does not help. And who will help President Grudinin and console him? If he has everything so terribly on the farm, then what can he do for a country (not Honduras)?
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 22 December 2017 09: 51 New
        13
        The option “Any cook can rule the state” attributed to V. I. Lenin does not belong to him.
        I quote the original:
        In the article “Will the Bolsheviks Hold State Power?” Lenin wrote:
        We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not capable of immediately taking control of the state. In this we agree with the Cadets, and with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to run the state, to carry out the everyday, daily work of the administration, only rich or from wealthy families officials can take. We demand that training in public administration be given by conscious workers and soldiers, and that it be started immediately, that is, all workers, the whole poor, immediately begin to be involved in this training.

        1. Siberian
          Siberian 22 December 2017 10: 55 New
          +1
          Hint that K. Sobchak is an already trained housewife?
          If she (the cook) is trained, she won’t (like noble and noble offspring), this is the prospect of managing her farm well, and with successful experience, her own entrepreneur, farm. Any study is not in vain. Even getting into any board of at least something (cottages, home, club) you begin to understand and overestimate a lot. And to go into government with such approaches and with a lack of experience is a disaster. Russia is not the Philippines
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 22 December 2017 11: 46 New
            +7
            I didn’t have any hints! He brought a phrase that you misinterpreted ... and that's it! Lying is bad! hi

            And the request - do not think out for me ...
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 09: 52 New
      +7
      Quote: Altona
      Grudinin is the level of the minister so far

      Allow me to join? wink
  14. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2017 07: 49 New
    +8
    Quote: Odyssey
    The essence of the idea is that even the most stupid ones have guessed that Zyuganov is not fighting for power with the oligarchic-mafia regime, but imitates this struggle to stabilize the regime, that is, many of those who would vote for the Communists will not go to the polls because Zyuganov. Accordingly, in order to “give people hope” and bring them to the Communist Party sections, a new leader is needed (at the time of the election).

    -------------------------------------
    In the bourgeois system, it cannot be otherwise. In Europe, socialists and social democrats are now all but the trend is not changing, the bourgeois system is still carrying out anti-people transformations, erasing the middle class and other negatives. The Communist Party alone will not decide anything, even with the team, because so far Gazprom, Rosneft and others have the money.
  15. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2017 07: 59 New
    +7
    Quote: Siberian
    Lenin was wrong (in the sense: every cook can rule the state)

    --------------------------------
    Here's how. Lenin is wrong. Lenin did not say that. Lenin said that "every cook must learn to rule the state." Do you understand? Do not immediately manage, but learn first. And why a cook, because a good cook in the kitchen has order and she knows what stocks should be replenished at what time. Here.
    1. gaura
      gaura 22 December 2017 09: 30 New
      +6
      And why exactly a cook

      Because Alexander III issued a decree on cook children, who put an end to social elevators. That's all. What does the kitchen and order have to do with it?
  16. raw174
    raw174 22 December 2017 08: 14 New
    +5
    The Communist Party of the Russian Federation lost their chance twenty years ago, the generation is replaced, they are not understood. Constant talk about the nationalization of production and production (something that I often hear from Zyuganov’s lips) is more likely to push people away, because perceived as a new redistribution, dispossession, etc. the same Grudinin (like any other owner) is ready to give his farm in the hands of the state? Their time is gone, people in the 90s got complete freedom with all its problems. Not everyone was ready for the fact that having received freedom from the policy of the CPSU and the state, it would be necessary to think and spin something. By analogy, after the abolition of serfdom, too, free peasants did not always know how to live on and returned to the owners ...
    Regarding the 2018 election:
    Putin is the only real candidate today. Whether we like it or not, it is. How he achieved this, in my opinion: for the whole time of his presidency, there has been a movement forward, there will be many problems and they will be, but compare Russia from 1997 and 2017, by the standards of the history of the state, there are not many at all, and the result is:
    1. When was the last time people went on a mass strike because of delays? (maybe there are isolated examples, but they are solved quite quickly with them).
    2. there is no such rampant crime, there are no such powerful OPS crushing entire cities, while in the 90s the whole country was divided between clans.
    3. mothers are not afraid to send their sons to the army, calmly serve.
    A lot of things have moved towards positive, look at our army, it is quite capable of conducting modern effective work, like a father of two children waiting for a third and living in a village, I’ll add that not everything has disappeared socially, there are support measures that promise to strengthen them and it pleases (let's see how they will perform). Again, the economy’s dependence on the extraction of raw materials decreases slightly more or less, they start to produce something of their own, in my garage there are less and less tools from China and more than ours (I respect Interskol), I began to buy Russian-made clothes, Roskhanter are good things ...
    Of course, there’s also something to ponder about, you can cry, you can say that everything is lost, you can blame all your problems on Putin, but you can develop and live for your own pleasure, work normally, no one bothers anyone, have more than enough freedom!
    PS: this is my personal opinion, my opinion and vision of the situation.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 22 December 2017 08: 42 New
      +8
      Quote: raw174
      A lot of things have moved towards positive

      Yes, with an oil price of $ 100, there was a positive feeling, but now everything is moving to the 90s
      1. raw174
        raw174 22 December 2017 08: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        Yes, with an oil price of $ 100, there was a positive feeling, but now everything is moving to the 90s

        We’ll live, we’ll see ... Little time has passed, but the course towards alignment is planned, I am a state employee, this year I didn’t raise my salary, my condition worsened, they promise to increase it in the future, it will improve or remain at the same level, but the rate they’ll lower them on the mortgage (the other day they will invite me to sign the contract), so we’ll see how it concerns me personally (I always prefer to measure the situation on my own). It’s too early to draw conclusions in the country in five years ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 22 December 2017 09: 07 New
          +5
          Quote: raw174
          It’s too early to draw conclusions in the country in five years ...

          But how early, an entire generation has grown ...
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 09: 56 New
            +8
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: raw174
            It’s too early to draw conclusions in the country in five years ...

            But how early, an entire generation has grown ...

            ... and power has changed three times, for this generation. Radically. From tagged tag, through EBN-a, to the pragmatist of GDP.
            Such acidic transitions, right?
            It is clear that the ship is still "storming" so far - the first two have "taxied" too well. Especially EBN with young reformers, the earth is glassy ...
          2. raw174
            raw174 22 December 2017 10: 21 New
            +4
            Quote: Svarog
            But how early, an entire generation has grown ...

            It’s early to talk about the consequences of the cheapening of oil since 2014. I said this.
            Once again my thought:
            In the 90s - confusion and reeling, Putin came and the situation slowly and surely leveled off, not without problems, but leveled off, now a new crisis began in 2014 and it is too early to evaluate it, but I think we will take out, not without losses, but with his head raised.
          3. raw174
            raw174 22 December 2017 10: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            But how early, an entire generation has grown ...

            Again, I believe that our state is only twenty-five years old, namely the state (structure, economy, etc.), for its establishment - it is a VERY short time, look at the formation of European states, but anyone, at the dawn of formation, everyone was stormy and not one generation at a time ...
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 December 2017 10: 20 New
        10
        towards the 90s
        Fairly noticed. And many say that Putin withdrew from the 90s. This oil brought out. And now, if Putin remains, then everyone will see a 90s return.
        1. raw174
          raw174 22 December 2017 10: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Gardamir
          This oil brought out.

          Then let's not talk about raw materials, but about the money that it carries. They also need to be managed wisely. Give me a billion and I won’t become richer, I don’t know how to save, invest, manage money, but my wife is the opposite, she manages money competently, do you understand my analogy?
          Yes, money plays one of the most important roles, but management is far from last.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 22 December 2017 12: 29 New
            10
            do you understand my analogy?
            it was during the years of expensive oil that it was possible to build plants instead, Sechin was allowed to take a million a day wages.
            And about the 90s
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 11: 20 New
          +8
          Quote: Gardamir
          And many say that Putin withdrew from the 90s. This oil brought out. And now...

          ... and now Putin is "making" the price of oil, be surprised. He is not alone, of course, but he does yes
    2. Loess
      Loess 22 December 2017 10: 32 New
      +1
      I agree with you, and about moving forward and about
      there is also something to understand
      and I agree about everything else.
    3. Freeman
      Freeman 22 December 2017 12: 52 New
      +3
      raw174 Today, 08:14
      I have less and less tools from China in my garage and more than ours (Interskol respect)

      Everything is not so simple.
      2009 Creation of a joint venture of ICG - Interskol Crown Group with the largest Chinese manufacturer of power tools.
      Production - Interskol Plant, Moscow Region, Russia (face-miter saws)
      Interskol Crown Group, Jinhua, China (angle grinders, drills, planers, saws)
      Shanghai Interskol Manufacturing Ltd., Shanghai, China (cordless drills and screwdrivers).
      1. raw174
        raw174 22 December 2017 12: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Freeman
        Everything is not so simple.

        Our manufacturer is the dominant, as well as BMW and Mercedes are also stamped in China, Bosch is also making China ... Interskol, already being a large-scale production, has made money with China, expansion is good.
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 22 December 2017 19: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: raw174
          Quote: Freeman
          Everything is not so simple.

          Our manufacturer is the dominant, as well as BMW and Mercedes are also stamped in China, Bosch is also making China ... Interskol, already being a large-scale production, has made money with China, expansion is good.

          - The domain is our manufacturer - not a manufacturer, but trademark owner"producing" products in Asian factories or assembling in Russia from Asian components. The opposite situation is also common in Russia, when the owner registers the trademark in Europe or gives it a "foreign" name, but the production is also located in Asia (or it is assembled from imported parts).

          - BMW and Mercedes are also stamping in China - and there they sell. Mercedes is only going to establish sales in the Middle East, and BMW, although it received an export license, has not announced any export (from China) plans.

          - extension and that's good - It is good when production is fully localized in Russia. These are jobs and taxes to the treasury.
  17. zivXP
    zivXP 22 December 2017 08: 58 New
    14
    If Grudinin is chosen by joint efforts, then this will be a worthy presidential candidate. I don’t know whether Zyuganov will decide or go “against the wool”. He’s not paid for it, but to sit like a mouse under a broom. After all, Grudinin has every chance to “win” and he will have a great resource against him, led by a power bloc.
    1. raw174
      raw174 22 December 2017 10: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: zivXP
      After all, Grudinin has all the chances to “win”

      No, there really is no chance. How many% of voters have ever heard of him? maybe in the Moscow region it’s popular, but in the rest of Russia they just didn’t hear about it ... I have not heard until today ...
  18. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2017 09: 01 New
    +4
    Quote: raw174
    1. When was the last time people went on a mass strike because of delays? (maybe there are isolated examples, but they are solved quite quickly with them).
    2. there is no such rampant crime, there are no such powerful OPS crushing entire cities, while in the 90s the whole country was divided between clans.

    -------------------------------------------------
    1) There are mass strikes due to delays in salaries, but such topics are simply hushed up in official television. Medvedev recently voiced a figure by the way, how many enterprises and how much should. I don’t remember it, I won’t voice it.
    2) OPS they did not disappear anywhere. They just take other forms. In our system, nothing else will simply work.
    And by the way, you are a state employee. You think how fair the budget will be spread. Many here think how to fill the budget and the domestic market with their goods.
    1. raw174
      raw174 22 December 2017 10: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      There are mass strikes due to delays in salaries, but such topics are simply ignored in official television.

      What about the internet? No one has heard of mass strikes for a long time ... There are delays, but this is sporadic ... at what industrial (production) enterprise have the last ten years been on strike? Delays in different IPs and PEs are another knee ...
      Quote: Altona
      OPS they did not disappear anywhere. They just take other forms.

      Example? Maybe we have different points of view on the same things, but my relatives - entrepreneurs talked about how little brothers came home in the mid-90s and offered help in developing a business, I remember they saw a trunk in their nightstand (revolver) ... We are as gone from this.
      Quote: Altona
      You think how fair the budget will be spread.

      Each has its own measure of justice.
      Their goods are good and they are needed, they are slowly appearing ... On my table there are practically no non-Russian food products, I also prefer domestic appliances and tools, my hunting rifle Izhevsk, Lada car))) Personally, I now try to buy domestic. ..
  19. cannabis
    cannabis 22 December 2017 09: 02 New
    +3
    Elections can be held free, fair and open. On one non-working day, meetings are held throughout the country, to which representatives of 100 families are allowed (multi-storey building or village street). Representatives must be no younger than 33 and no older than 65 years. Men. Heads of families. From hundreds, one is chosen. The next day, ten selected from hundreds choose one (from a thousand). In the following days, from 10 thousand, 100 thousand, a million are selected. Elected from 10 million (there are only 14 of them) gather in the center of the country (Novosibirsk) and elect the Supreme Ruler, who voices his program of action throughout the country. The remaining 13 people remain responsible for the elected Ruler for the entire term of the board and share responsibility with him for the fate of the country. That is the principle. the rest can be thought out.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 10: 36 New
      +8
      Quote: cunning
      Selected from 10 million (there are only 14 of them)

      Would you guess?
      The one who better "smears" the electors will win. At all stages.
      Particularly amused:
      Quote: cunning
      ... elect the Supreme Ruler, who throughout the country voices his program of action ...

      Read - they choose a "pig in a poke", and what kind of "cat" (program) they will see only after they have chosen.
      Nobody has thought of such a crap anywhere else, congratulations love
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 22 December 2017 10: 48 New
        +3
        What a funny you ..... but hurt, hurt by the living, immediately understandable. In Russia, such elections were called EVENING. Now from the annals: “The world should belong to the geniuses, Attilas of the exact sciences and Zeus of technological progress, but at the same time the expansion of the rights of democracy is unacceptable, because in the end any democracy will lead mankind to the formation of a dictatorship made up of the notorious scumbags of the population” - Alfred Nobel. How he looked into the water!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 10: 51 New
          +9
          Quote: cunning
          What a funny you ..... but hurt, hurt by the living, immediately understandable

          Not. Really made fun.
          1. "Buy" according to your scheme "buy" - do not go to a fortuneteller.
          2. Moreover, it is not a fact that the "buyer" will be a resident of the Russian Federation.
          9. "Sound the program after the election" - this is really a pearl, #vmoriz.
          Here is a summary of the prospects for your election scheme.
          1. cannabis
            cannabis 22 December 2017 11: 06 New
            +1
            Dressed women are more attractive than allegations.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 11: 14 New
              +8
              Quote: cunning
              Dressed women are more attractive allegations

              Refute. You can’t - shut up, pass for clever ... maybe.
              In the meantime, you drive, I'm sorry, a fierce snowstorm negative
              1. cannabis
                cannabis 22 December 2017 11: 25 New
                +2
                I have not read a single argument yet. Everything is at the level of female emotions. Therefore, I wrote. that only men older than 33 years old and having children are allowed to vote. That is, serious people who think about the future and understand what it should be. Surely you do not fall into this group of the population.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 11: 44 New
                  +7
                  Quote: cunning
                  I have not read a single argument yet

                  Bad vision? Or with understanding?
                  They also wrote it to you here, for example:
                  Quote: Altona
                  ... today such a scheme will not work, because there is such a resource as money that can distort and disavow any election

                  The same thing, only more scientifically, the same?

                  Quote: cunning
                  Therefore, I wrote. that only men over 33 years old and having children are allowed to vote

                  Yes, among many other nonsense you wrote this too ...
                  Quote: cunning
                  Surely you do not fall into this population

                  Hitting an opponent is a sign of a lack of real arguments. Goodbye. Rule the horses, the dogs are too tough for you ... laughing
                  1. cannabis
                    cannabis 22 December 2017 11: 59 New
                    +3
                    How everything is interesting in nature and adequate to one another. While riding a bicycle, barking dogs chase after you. As soon as you stop, the dogs run up. So with the election as well. As soon as you touch on the topic of people's choice, democratic intellectuals are immediately excited. Nobel was right. The degenerates Attil and Zeus from the people do not "want"; they need the Zhirinovsky, Gref, Chubais.
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 22 December 2017 19: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: cunning
      Elections can be held free, fair and open. On one non-working day, meetings are held throughout the country, to which representatives of 100 families are allowed (multi-storey building or village street). Representatives must be no younger than 33 and no older than 65 years. Men. Heads of families. From hundreds, one is chosen. The next day, ten selected from hundreds choose one (from a thousand). In the following days, from 10 thousand, 100 thousand, a million are selected. Elected from 10 million (there are only 14 of them) gather in the center of the country (Novosibirsk) and elect the Supreme Ruler, who voices his program of action throughout the country. The remaining 13 people remain responsible for the elected Ruler for the entire term of the board and share responsibility with him for the fate of the country. That is the principle. the rest can be thought out.

      cannabis today, 10:48
      In Russia, such elections were called EVENING.

      You described precisely the Novgorod Veche — a very peculiar form of “democracy” that later degenerated into an “oligarchic republic”.
      We need it?
  20. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2017 09: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: cunning
    Elections can be held free, fair and open. On one non-working day, meetings are held throughout the country, to which representatives of 100 families are allowed (multi-storey building or village street).

    ----------------------------------
    In principle, one can return to the Soviet system by nominating candidates from enterprises and settlements. But today such a scheme will not work, because there is such a resource as money that can distort and disavow any election.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 December 2017 10: 09 New
      +8
      for there is such a resource as money, which can distort and disavow any election.
      by the way, this is the essence of the so-called democracy, the purchase of posts imitating the choice of the people.
  21. gaura
    gaura 22 December 2017 09: 28 New
    +1
    Let him be the Minister, but not the President. The president in Russia is not only the one who raises state farms. The president is involved in global politics. Let Putin be there, and let Grudinin in Russia raise agriculture
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 December 2017 10: 08 New
      11
      Let there be
      the one who stood in front of the Poles and knocked down the Russian Olympians,
      1. gaura
        gaura 22 December 2017 12: 55 New
        0
        I didn’t know anything about him, only what the YouTube gives out. He is still not a media figure. And the fact that the Olympians humiliated, we all humiliated them. Even the Guarantor did not particularly support
    2. Romey
      Romey 22 December 2017 21: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: gaura
      Let him be the Minister, but not the President. The president in Russia is not only the one who raises state farms. The president is involved in global politics. Let Putin be there, and let Grudinin in Russia raise agriculture

      That's what I would not want from a word at all. I hope that after the election Pavel Nikolayevich will not be guided by the possible, all kinds of seductive proposals "to direct something". Of course under supervision. In general, looking at some former "nationalists" like Rogozin, I came to the conclusion that everyone who gets into this mud of Putin’s swamp is inevitably doomed to become the same as all this camarilla ... Only a change of course and only without Putin.
      1. gaura
        gaura 25 December 2017 05: 34 New
        0
        C Bulk to a brighter future?
  22. Galleon
    Galleon 22 December 2017 09: 30 New
    +9
    So I will give him my vote. I don’t want to say anything more.
  23. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2017 10: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Allow me to join?

    -------------------------------
    I do not care. I just wrote what all kinds of analysts are arguing about. I probably won’t go to this election. I will pierce.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 10: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: Altona
      I probably won’t go to this election. I will pierce

      The same position ... two hours of healthy sleep is much better than any choice laughing
  24. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 December 2017 10: 07 New
    12
    How liberal liberal supporters got excited!
    And I will believe in miracles! Because the current rating of the current one is not more than 60%. So Grudinin has a real chance to take first place. And in vain many call him the "chairman", he has significant political experience.
    I know one thing, though not socialism, but capitalism with a more human face under Grudinin will definitely be
    1. raw174
      raw174 22 December 2017 11: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      Because the current rating of the current one is not more than 60%.

      So this is more than enough ...
      Quote: Gardamir
      So Grudinin has a real chance to take first place

      Nobody knows him, I heard about this man today, I think about 80 percent of people in Russia have never heard of ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 December 2017 12: 34 New
        +9
        this is more than enough.
        I agree, but when they say that all the same everyone will vote for only one because he has a rating of 80, many buy this lie, and this is not an election but fraud.
        They also recognized Putin only after the words "I'm tired, I'm leaving."
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 22 December 2017 16: 18 New
          +4
          Quote: Gardamir
          I agree, but when they say that all the same everyone will vote for only one because he has a rating of 80, many buy this lie, and this is not an election but fraud.
          By the way, it is still unknown whether these people will vote at all if they are sure in advance that Putin will win. And those who are for Grudinin (want change) - will definitely go and drag others, in the form of relatives and friends! Trump, in fact, defeated Clinton on this - the main emphasis was on his supporters certainly go and vote, while Clinton supporters stayed at home more, thinking that everything was already decided hi
    2. raw174
      raw174 22 December 2017 12: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      he has significant political experience.

      Which way? Really political ... Don’t get me wrong, I’m not an opponent of this person and if the Communist Party nominates him it’s good, at least some variety, but I hear about him for the first time ... Russia is not a banana republic and today pursues its own policy and oppresses its line in world politics, can this person (Grudev) continue the GDP line and increase Russia's influence in the world? I’m not sure (because I don’t know him), but I know the GDP ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 December 2017 13: 40 New
        +5
        Which way?
        was a confidant of Putin. Yes, and it is necessary to be able to save the state farm at the MKAD ...
        1. raw174
          raw174 22 December 2017 14: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Gardamir
          was a confidant of Putin.

          Finely ... it’s like an assistant to the deputy, he doesn’t decide anything on his own, sometimes he can imagine the position of the person he represents, a purely status title, not a politician.
          Quote: Gardamir
          Yes, and it is necessary to be able to save the state farm at the Moscow Ring Road ...

          Economic activity, to manage a huge country, you need a dodgy politician, not a business executive, because President’s most important decisions are related to foreign policy.
          at the Moscow Ring Road, but to create a large agricultural enterprise in 400 - 500 km. from a large city - it’s an order of magnitude more complicated, the problem of logistics and sales, but in the most densely populated place what not to produce ... Although the talent of a manager and owner is needed, I do not argue.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 22 December 2017 14: 42 New
            +7
            dodgy politician
            which can’t be said about the present. This is presented to us on TV as a genius of all time. Even on this basis, in my opinion, P.N. Grudinin is an alternative to the current government.
            1. raw174
              raw174 22 December 2017 14: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: Gardamir
              which can’t be said about the present.

              How to say, Russia's influence in the world is increasing, hence these pokes through sport, etc. Of the major successes are Crimea, Syria. This is significant, about ten - fifteen years ago they could not have realized it.
              Quote: Gardamir
              in my opinion P.N. Grudinin is an alternative to the current government.

              Maybe so, but no one knows who he is or what he is doing; personally, I’m not ready to bet on a dark horse.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 22 December 2017 15: 47 New
                +5
                from here these pokes through the sport
                These are not pokes, it is everyone who is not lazy, we were not allowed under the Union of such pokes.
                Crimea is a cunning plan aimed at separating Ukraine from Russia.
                1. raw174
                  raw174 25 December 2017 06: 44 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  This is not the pokes, it is us who are not lazy

                  No, just the pokes. This is a game on a foreign field, I mean international institutions such as the IOC, WADA, etc. we (Russia) are there in a knowingly losing position.
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  during the Union, no one allowed such bumps.

                  But what about the boycott of the Olympics 80? and the USSR boycotted the next ... The same eggs side view. Or do you think our government should boycott the current games?
    3. bk316
      bk316 22 December 2017 13: 10 New
      +2
      So Grudinin has a real chance to take first place.

      You first wait for the results of the plenum, it has not yet been put forward.
      And further if put forward, let's bet on what you yourself say that does not take. Moreover, if there is a desire, I will arrange you as an observer from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, you will count the ballots yourself.
  25. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2017 10: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: gaura
    Because Alexander III issued a decree on cook children, who put an end to social elevators. That's all. What does the kitchen and order have to do with it?

    --------------------------------
    Why cling to the word "cook"? It is clear that we are talking about the poor and that we must first learn. "The Decree on Cooking Children" is the same way just a meme, a steady verbal turn, it was not called that of Alexander III. About "kitchen and order" this is of course from Soviet cinema, but nonetheless.
  26. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2017 10: 14 New
    13
    Quote: Gardamir
    I know one thing, though not socialism, but capitalism with a more human face under Grudinin will definitely be

    ---------------------------------------------
    While we ourselves will not frighten the bourgeois, we will not do anything. They do not stop the class struggle against us even for a second. Education, pensions, the judiciary, salaries, taxes, public services, public procurement, and the offshore economy are all elements of the class struggle. The unwillingness of the state to solve problems by the quality of management, but only to rob the population, and even in favor of one of its own.
  27. mavrus
    mavrus 22 December 2017 10: 16 New
    +5
    Quote: Anarchist
    Let at least put forward someone, the result is known in advance!
    Well, such non-alternative elections ...

    There were no alternatives in the 96th ... This is when the ballots were destroyed immediately, "forgetting" to count. But the most interesting thing is that today, those who welcomed the "victory of democracy" in 96th, despite the will of the people, are constantly talking about "no alternative". But if the liberal leader doesn’t have this focus now, then the elections are “uncontested”.
  28. Loess
    Loess 22 December 2017 10: 37 New
    +1
    Uh ... I read all the comments, I didn’t miss a single one ... I was not convinced ...
  29. rotor
    rotor 22 December 2017 10: 47 New
    +4
    he is not a member of the Communist Party, however, as they say, he sympathizes with this particular political party.




    Well, if the red director, and now the landowner is building socialism with Russian characteristics in his patrimony, then yes, it is possible for the president of the Communist Party.
  30. Alexey Antonov
    Alexey Antonov 22 December 2017 11: 14 New
    +2
    I look, some still can’t wait to put another collective farmer on the throne ... We already had one. Corn planted everything in the Arctic.
    1. rotor
      rotor 22 December 2017 11: 37 New
      +2
      But who will choose this collective farmer as president, his level is to grow potatoes in the field.
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 22 December 2017 12: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexey Antonov
      I look, some still can’t wait to put another collective farmer on the throne ... We already had one. Corn planted everything in the Arctic.

      In fact, Khrushchev was a locksmith, because he planted corn in the Arctic.
      1. Alexey Antonov
        Alexey Antonov 23 December 2017 10: 48 New
        +1
        Who cares?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI4g0-_GsiY
    3. Romey
      Romey 22 December 2017 13: 37 New
      12
      Quote: Alexey Antonov
      I look, some still can’t wait to put another collective farmer on the throne ... We already had one. Corn planted everything in the Arctic.

      Better a collective farmer than nicely hanging noodles on the ears of 18 years, the talking head of the raw oligarchy ...
      1. Alexey Antonov
        Alexey Antonov 23 December 2017 10: 50 New
        +1
        And what will your collective farmer do? What? Half of the country will plant beets, and the other half - cabbage?
        1. Romey
          Romey 23 December 2017 11: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexey Antonov
          And what will your collective farmer do? What? Half of the country will plant beets, and the other half - cabbage?

          I am not a prophet and I don’t know what exactly Grudinin will do. But I can clearly see what your idols have done to the country for 25 years of their mediocre domination. And do not turn on the fool and make big eyes they say, it's all tagged with a Christmas tree. Putin is the same as these two characters, only a little more fortunate in terms of energy prices.
          1. Alexey Antonov
            Alexey Antonov 23 December 2017 13: 17 New
            +1
            And I see. Only we, obviously, live in different realities.
  31. Svarog
    Svarog 22 December 2017 11: 49 New
    +4
    [quote = Golovan Jack] [quote = Svarog] who makes a profit and participates in management, owns, in this case, natural resources [/ quote]
    Brad.
    Ownership means ownership. Property rights here ... and did not lie nearby.
    Here you have 1 hectare of forest, you are the owner, but I get the felling and profit. Are you happy that you are the owner?))
    1. Alexey Antonov
      Alexey Antonov 22 December 2017 12: 42 New
      +1
      Ownership does not necessarily imply ownership. Learn the Civil Code of the Russian Federation.
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 13: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: Svarog
      you own 1 ha of forest, you are the owner, but I get deforestation and profit

      And I get jobs for my fellow tribesmen, salaries for them, respectively, taxes from you quantum satis ...
      And I’ll make you restore the forest, believe me yes
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 22 December 2017 18: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        And I get jobs for my fellow tribesmen, salaries for them, respectively, taxes from you quantum satis ...

        you get a pack of doshirak per day))
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 22: 22 New
          +7
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And I get jobs for my fellow tribesmen, salaries for them, respectively, taxes from you quantum satis ...

          you get a pack of doshirak per day))

          This is why such conclusions ... curious? recourse
          Nothing to say, but really, really want to?
          I will comfort you: I personally getting I earn much more than what you designated there. How much - I won’t say it, otherwise your bile will flow ... from your ears laughing
  32. Svarog
    Svarog 22 December 2017 12: 22 New
    +5
    Golovan Jack,
    [quote = Golovan Jack] After:
    [quote = Svarog] ... calculate ... the share of the head. The remainder will be accounted for by overseas partners. This is 47%... [/ quote]
    Lovely love
    That is Russian shareholders doesn’t happen in nature?
    Of course there is, only they are de jure Russian, but in fact they all store money in offshore, and invest in the partners' economies. Have you heard that your government, everyone wants to return this money? Already, as it has been pushing for five years, here are some bonds, have now been issued)) Here is a reference for you, about Russian shareholders and businessmen)) https://regnum.ru/news/2360359.html
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 18: 11 New
      +8
      Quote: Svarog
      but in fact all is stored in offshore money

      The word "all" is a very dangerous word. If at least one "does not store", then you have already lied ... did not think about it?

      Karroche: the idea is clear. You do not own real information, and your emotional assessments are ... uninteresting to me.
      Thank you stop
  33. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 22 December 2017 12: 30 New
    +8
    Finally, Zyuganov committed a male act. True, Grudinin has few chances if he is registered as a candidate. It is very inconvenient for our anti-people government. But if they register - with the whole family - FOR !!!
    The problem is that most voters probably hear about it for the first time.
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    2. rotor
      rotor 22 December 2017 12: 59 New
      +1
      There may still be questions to this landowner about how he managed to take the state farm land to his hands.
  34. 1536
    1536 22 December 2017 12: 39 New
    +1
    There is something in it. Seriously, take this. I’d just like to know who supports this or that candidate. Therefore, what, at least approximately, to expect from his election. Otherwise, everything will end with the famous dialogue from the movie "Wedding in Robin":
    - Do you have any program?
    “Well, how can one be without a program?” I am the ideological chieftain. And all my guys, as one, stand for a free personality.
    - So they will rob.
    1. Romey
      Romey 22 December 2017 13: 42 New
      +2
      Yes, there is a program ... You just need to read it, and not Putin to listen that they only have a program ... There are documents on the Communist Party website, there are 10 theses of the PDS of the NDSR. The pre-election version of the main joint document will appear shortly.
  35. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 22 December 2017 12: 45 New
    +2
    One should be elected president who has already shown himself to be positive at the federal level, and not from house 2, or the collective farm chairman, as well as talkers like Yavlinsky, who have a local outlook. Putin himself said about this, that there are no people who could at least somehow satisfy the needs of the population. Govorunov, there are many nightingales, but not one of the opposition. The Liberal Democratic Party, the Communist Party, the Social Revolutionaries put forward do not put forward worthy, and party leaders climb. And to elect, just to elect, we find ourselves in the chaos of the 90s
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 23 December 2017 06: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Anchonsha
      One needs to be elected president ...

      stop who has a program that guarantees positive changes in the economy and social policy. We are tired of guarantees of annual profit making by banks, replenishment of the assets of oligarchs, corruption schemes, impasse capitalism, false promises, national humiliation and degradation, to which the country's demographic problem has successfully joined, when population growth depends on whether LPR-DNR will be part of Russia ... belay Well, if you, Vashstvo, do not like Russian candidates, it is better to elect Lukashenko as the president of Russia ... To unite into one state space and elect ... belay Maybe that’s why there isn’t this alliance agreement and a single space? what bully
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  37. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2017 13: 05 New
    10
    Quote: Anchonsha
    One needs to be elected president

    ---------------------------------------
    Now it’s not enough for Putin to be Putin. Now the requirements have already grown. Putin (or who will be president) needs to be Stalin. And then he said a lot "in the toilet to wet", "we stop burning plutonium from the 15th of Monday", "can you even imagine what you have done," "boring girls." And in domestic politics, he has "prostit us Americans." Stalin is reproached for sending the last car on June 22, 1941, and Putin is sending 50 cubic meters of gas and nothing. Kohl-S-Urengoy climbed onto the podium of the Bundestag and said that the Nazi Georg Rau "did not want to fight." He erects a Wailing Wall, near which stray dogs urinate, not a single flower is there. Before the Poles kneels. Ugh. Complete national humiliation. The Bolsheviks overthrew the tsar, so Yeltsin gave him power. The Bolsheviks took and divided, so Putin and Sechin and Rotenberg simply took away and did not share anything with anyone. Like this.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 22 December 2017 17: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Altona
      The Bolsheviks overthrew the king,

      Putin certainly didn’t say that.
    2. Alexey Antonov
      Alexey Antonov 23 December 2017 13: 15 New
      +1
      Excuse me, but can I see a photo of Putin kneeling before the Poles?
      1. Altona
        Altona 23 December 2017 13: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexey Antonov
        Excuse me, but can I see a photo of Putin kneeling before the Poles?

        1. Alexey Antonov
          Alexey Antonov 25 December 2017 11: 33 New
          +1
          Is this in front of the Poles? Or in front of the grave of Soviet soldiers? No need to sculpt here.
  38. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2017 14: 05 New
    +5
    Quote: raw174
    Example? Maybe we have different points of view on the same things, but my relatives - entrepreneurs talked about how little brothers came home in the mid-90s and offered help in developing a business, I remember they saw a trunk in their nightstand (revolver) ... We are as gone from this.

    --------------------------
    Hmm, bros is a grassroots level, they are quickly exhausted, there is nothing to produce anarchy. Now, if you earn a lot, then serious government people will come to you and explain that earning more than the FSB general is not comme il faut, because his wife has exactly the same business as yours.
  39. dvvv
    dvvv 22 December 2017 14: 41 New
    +1
    Do not worry against collective farms! This is another Kremlin project and will win, as it should be, a solar-hungry, worthy of the most worthy, who is cut off from happiness at the coronation and will rule for another 5 years to the joy of the Rothenbergs and others like them.
  40. LPD17
    LPD17 22 December 2017 15: 37 New
    +2
    if the people vote against the oligarchy and the owners of megayachts and black suits! it is possible)
  41. RUSS
    RUSS 22 December 2017 17: 22 New
    +3
    Gardamir,
    Quote: Gardamir
    Yes, you can’t attribute to Putin a “political prostitution” like Boldyrev and others.
    He was a communist, but in the days of the coup, he left both the CPSU and the KGB.

    Threw off the shackles laughing
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    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 22 December 2017 19: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Just cause
      no really

      You are generally right-handed from all kinds of bulk caspar and others. You cannot allow a gun shot to be controlled.
      Your liberal idea rotted from birth, immediately, with miasma, poisoning the country for 27 years.
      So wretchedness is what you have brought and shown to the country since 1992. Your time is running out.
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 23 December 2017 18: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Just cause
      Komunyaki in power

      Do you happen to have a sister in Moscow by the name of Novodvorskaya?
  43. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 22 December 2017 23: 26 New
    +1
    The communists are the first. Perhaps this will make other parties move.
  44. igor1981
    igor1981 23 December 2017 08: 21 New
    +4
    If Pavel Grudinin really will run for president, then I will vote only for him. I watched his interview, a really smart and competent man. Enough with us this EDRA with the Guarantor, already tired of this wild capitalism.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 5 January 2018 09: 02 New
      +2
      Drop the link to his clever interview. In addition to chatter against all the bad for all the good, I heard nothing. Well, and nagging, of course, how terrible everything is, but it will be even worse.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 5 January 2018 09: 20 New
        +5
        Quote: Siberian
        Drop the link to his smart interview

        And me, and me too!
  45. vissarion
    vissarion 23 December 2017 10: 10 New
    +1
    If he is so right and cool, then let him be the Minister of Agriculture, otherwise one thieves have dug in there. Magadan has been crying for a long time on Tkachev. So let's see who is who.
  46. Altona
    Altona 23 December 2017 13: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: RUSS
    Putin certainly didn’t say that.

    -----------------------
    Ha! Medinsky on what programs and films gives money? To historical fantasy. And of course, the Medina spherical horse in a vacuum. All the historical nonsense that we are shown with state money has the most direct relation to Putin. Putin is a liberal. He will never say that the liberals have overthrown the king.
  47. Sergey Horuzhik
    Sergey Horuzhik 23 December 2017 14: 10 New
    +3
    There is such an indispensable nation that plays immediately on all chessboards at the same time.
  48. Altona
    Altona 23 December 2017 14: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: Sergey Horuzhik
    There is such an indispensable nation that plays immediately on all chessboards at the same time.

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    In principle, to clarify the situation a little for those who are still in some kind of darkness. For me, the situation is approximately the following. Putin expresses the interests of big capital, Grudinin expresses the interests of medium and small business. Putin believes that we should sell everything that is for sale, get a lot of money, support the oligarchs and bankers with this money, and throw a little to the semi-serf population. This is very similar to the tsarist model of exploitation of the peasantry, so Tsar Putin is very in tune. Oil was exported to Europe, and among the peasants, half of the children died before they were one year old. Such was the price of brutal peasant exploitation, that oil was so cheap. Grudinin, on the other hand, believes that it is necessary to develop the domestic market, for this not to restrain wages and reduce the cost of loans for business. His program is much more interesting, although in principle the same bourgeois. At the same time, some kind of external agenda has not yet been seen like that of the current Grabant, sorry, Guarantor of the Constitution.
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